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MWHIBBIES
03-07-2020, 10:58 AM
:faf:

Terrific stuff as usual mate. Well done :aok:

J-C
03-07-2020, 11:01 AM
Terrific stuff as usual mate. Well done :aok:


It's your usual go to emoji.

I've said my piece about last night's game and so have you, I really can't be ersed going back and forth about it.

Sir David Gray
03-07-2020, 11:08 AM
Mate, I'm an Evertonian and believe me when I say that a Liverpool league win was not what I wanted but that is some clutching at straws you are doing. Both Liverpool and City have been great to watch but Liverpool were the better team over the season by some distance. I think their 20 point margin will be at least an equal psychology edge than losing one game

My tongue may have been firmly in my cheek for the benefit of another poster of the red persuasion of the city who's been known to drop into this thread every now and again. :greengrin

weecounty hibby
03-07-2020, 11:29 AM
My tongue may have been firmly in my cheek for the benefit of another poster of the red persuasion of the city who's been known to drop into this thread every now and again. :greengrin
Ah, I see. I feel in that case that The firm Everton have been showing will be a huge psychology advantage over everyone for next season!!

Scouse Hibee
03-07-2020, 12:18 PM
Yep totally agree. I feel that will give Manchester City a psychological boost and perhaps even a psychological edge over Liverpool ahead of next season.

They'll know where to hurt them, other clubs will have watched last night's game too.

Big opportunity missed last night for the Scousers, I feel.

😂 Stop slavering yer pish, I know you’re hurting but it’s getting ridiculous.😉 👍

JimBHibees
03-07-2020, 03:05 PM
Yep totally agree. I feel that will give Manchester City a psychological boost and perhaps even a psychological edge over Liverpool ahead of next season.

They'll know where to hurt them, other clubs will have watched last night's game too.

Big opportunity missed last night for the Scousers, I feel.

City won't be playing against a hungover Liverpool team next season. :greengrin

Sir David Gray
03-07-2020, 07:09 PM
😂 Stop slavering yer pish, I know you’re hurting but it’s getting ridiculous.😉 👍

Ah there you are, I was wondering where you were. :greengrin

Not hurting at all my friend, if Liverpool's going to win the title once every 30 years I'm sure I can live with that.

The 90+2
03-07-2020, 07:16 PM
Come on Millwall.

Scouse Hibee
03-07-2020, 07:38 PM
Ah there you are, I was wondering where you were. :greengrin

Not hurting at all my friend, if Liverpool's going to win the title once every 30 years I'm sure I can live with that.

Zzzzzzzzzz

Newry Hibs
03-07-2020, 08:02 PM
Watching Fleetwood Wycombe in the play off semi.

John souttar's brother plays for fleetwood. He's a big unit....though they're getting beat 1-4.
Joey barton is fleetwood manager, so nice to see them getting beat.

In fairness, top marks for the Fleetwood fans who have a posse of mannequins behind the goal!

Iggy Pope
03-07-2020, 08:28 PM
Watching Fleetwood Wycombe in the play off semi.

John souttar's brother plays for fleetwood. He's a big unit....though they're getting beat 1-4.
Joey barton is fleetwood manager, so nice to see them getting beat.

In fairness, top marks for the Fleetwood fans who have a posse of mannequins behind the goal!

Glenn Whelan stamping his experience all over proceedings too :greengrin
And Wycombe have just given big Akinfenwa a run out......

The 90+2
03-07-2020, 09:00 PM
Come on Millwall 👍👍👍👍

Sir David Gray
04-07-2020, 01:29 PM
Last minute equaliser for Derby against Nottingham Forest - 1-1.

Waghorn sent off moments before for Derby.

Scouse Hibee
04-07-2020, 02:17 PM
Are United playing this afternoon?

Edit: found it on BT sport.

Garibaldis
04-07-2020, 02:22 PM
United 0-1 Bournemouth

Tambo
04-07-2020, 02:23 PM
I hope wolves put a few past arsenal.

Garibaldis
04-07-2020, 02:23 PM
I hope wolves put a few past arsenal.

I think their attack will be too strong for the gunners today.

Garibaldis
04-07-2020, 02:49 PM
Great turnaround from United going into half time. They are frightening on the attack.

Sir David Gray
04-07-2020, 02:55 PM
Are United playing this afternoon?

Edit: found it on BT sport.

They are indeed - in-form team in the league.

Sublime from Martial!

J-C
04-07-2020, 03:39 PM
They are indeed - in-form team in the league.

Sublime from Martial!

Mason Greenwood is some talent for an 18yr old, so many attacking options, Vidic coming back allows them to play this way.

Northernhibee
04-07-2020, 03:40 PM
Really pleased for Ole - hope that the club stick with him for a while. He's building a good team and for the first time in years they're playing with a proper identity.

There's a lot of mistakes to undo before they can challenge for a title again but a competitive Man Utd team is good for the Premier League.

MWHIBBIES
04-07-2020, 03:54 PM
Amazing what a difference Pogba and Fernandes have made. Both unbelievable players.

Andy74
04-07-2020, 03:55 PM
Mason Greenwood is some talent for an 18yr old, so many attacking options, Vidic coming back allows them to play this way.

Vidic retired about 4 years ago.

Garibaldis
04-07-2020, 04:06 PM
Huge win for Cardiff.

Pagan Hibernia
04-07-2020, 04:09 PM
It’s only Bournemouth... but United are building something here.

rashford, Greenwood and Fernandez will terrify teams

HoboHarry
04-07-2020, 04:10 PM
Mason Greenwood is some talent for an 18yr old, so many attacking options, Vidic coming back allows them to play this way.

Matic you mean?😛

Sir David Gray
04-07-2020, 04:11 PM
Vidic retired about 4 years ago.

Assuming it was Matic.

J-C
04-07-2020, 04:12 PM
Matic you mean?😛

Yes I do haha, sat and watched the whole game and still got his name wrong, knew it ended in "ic"

Keyser Sauzee
04-07-2020, 04:25 PM
Had no idea Arsenal had signed Cedric from Southampton, really good signing he always impressed when I seen him with Southampton. Arteta looks to be building a decent squad.

norhfc
04-07-2020, 04:49 PM
Really impressed with Greenwood, left and right for his two goals hit with some power. 18 year old and he looks like he,s just having a kick about with his mates, the boys got a bright future.

Tambo
04-07-2020, 05:03 PM
Luiz on a yellow lol defenfitly will be sent off.

MWHIBBIES
04-07-2020, 05:19 PM
Wonderful goal by Saka just before HT. Arsenal 1-0 up .

Mibbes Aye
04-07-2020, 05:31 PM
Had no idea Arsenal had signed Cedric from Southampton, really good signing he always impressed when I seen him with Southampton. Arteta looks to be building a decent squad.


Wonderful goal by Saka just before HT. Arsenal 1-0 up .

I think Cedric only made his debut the game before this and scored a screamer.

Fascinated by this Arsenal squad under Arteta, for next season. They are brimming with young talent - Tierney, Nketieh, Willock, Saka, Nelson and the newly-arriving Saliba.

Hanging on, or adequately replacing Aubameyang is critical, his scoring rate is sensational. And he replicates that drift to the left that Thierry aHenry was the master of.

I think they still need a solid centre half, especially if playing four, though three suits Luiz. Mustafi is simply too risky.

Centre mid, I suspect they will keep Cabellos if he wants to stay in London. Real Madrid will have other options and be open to a sale. Lucas Torreira really impressed. Xhaka I can never make my mind up about - sometimes I think he is a League-winning player, other times I think he is meh.

On the right Bellerin seems to be back from his injury woes, with Maitland Nile’s offering back up and another option in midfield.

Keyser Sauzee
04-07-2020, 05:38 PM
I think Cedric only made his debut the game before this and scored a screamer.

Fascinated by this Arsenal squad under Arteta, for next season. They are brimming with young talent - Tierney, Nketieh, Willock, Saka, Nelson and the newly-arriving Saliba.

Hanging on, or adequately replacing Aubameyang is critical, his scoring rate is sensational. And he replicates that drift to the left that Thierry aHenry was the master of.

I think they still need a solid centre half, especially if playing four, though three suits Luiz. Mustafi is simply too risky.

Centre mid, I suspect they will keep Cabellos if he wants to stay in London. Real Madrid will have other options and be open to a sale. Lucas Torreira really impressed. Xhaka I can never make my mind up about - sometimes I think he is a League-winning player, other times I think he is meh.

On the right Bellerin seems to be back from his injury woes, with Maitland Nile’s offering back up and another option in midfield.

If this is the system Arteta wants to go with then I think he has to replace all 3 Centre half’s, they are all too prone to mistakes. Tying down Aubameyang is a must aswell.

Mibbes Aye
04-07-2020, 05:50 PM
If this is the system Arteta wants to go with then I think he has to replace all 3 Centre half’s, they are all too prone to mistakes. Tying down Aubameyang is a must aswell.

I think the fact that Aubameyang clearly works so well with Lacazette makes it a no-brainer. They are both capable of playing at the business end of Champions League football, but I guess Arsenal have to match that.

If Arsenal go with three at the back then it plays to the strengths of Tierney and Bellerin. I think Luiz can play a role as the advancing centre half but I would want more reassurance about the other two. I think Rob Holding has yet to show whether he can grow into the role. I want to like Sokratis and he has shown up well at times, but I am not certain. Mustafi scares me but can pop up at set pieces for a goal.

Regardless, Arsenal are a team where the expectation is a bare minimum of being top four, should be challenging for the title and should be challenging for the CL. That has not been the case for a while now and a central defence of Mustafi, Holding and Sokratis simply doesn’t cut the mustard

660
04-07-2020, 06:00 PM
I can’t wait to see who spends the most money. Truly scintillating stuff

MWHIBBIES
04-07-2020, 06:15 PM
Very nice 2nd goal for Arsenal. Lacazette.

Gloucester Hibs
04-07-2020, 06:27 PM
Spotted me a wee Dalry Llama on the Wolves bench - what a guy! 😍

Northernhibee
04-07-2020, 06:28 PM
Spotted me a wee Dalry Llama on the Wolves bench - what a guy! 😍

It's OK.

Hakim Sar
04-07-2020, 06:29 PM
Arsenal are not as bad as the media will have you believe. The EPL is unbelievably competitive and it shows in Arsenal’s results away from home.

There are undoubted clangers to be had at the back but if they take this next window seriously enough it could be easily rectified.

Saliba might be a good start. Arteta seems to know what he is doing. The question is do the Arsenal boardroom know what they are doing? Above Edu it’s a bit of a shambles... but again it’s only going by what the media tell you.

And right now it’s fashionable to stick the boot into Arsenal if you’re in the Media.

heretoday
04-07-2020, 09:11 PM
Arsenal are not as bad as the media will have you believe. The EPL is unbelievably competitive and it shows in Arsenal’s results away from home.

There are undoubted clangers to be had at the back but if they take this next window seriously enough it could be easily rectified.

Saliba might be a good start. Arteta seems to know what he is doing. The question is do the Arsenal boardroom know what they are doing? Above Edu it’s a bit of a shambles... but again it’s only going by what the media tell you.

And right now it’s fashionable to stick the boot into Arsenal if you’re in the Media.

Wolves were crap.

MWHIBBIES
04-07-2020, 09:23 PM
Wolves were crap.

Easy to say but Wolves were the only side that had won all games since the restart, Arsenal made them look very ordinary.

supermcginn
04-07-2020, 10:09 PM
I can’t wait to see who spends the most money. Truly scintillating stuff

It's a fantastic league whether you like it or not.

The Modfather
05-07-2020, 11:56 AM
I don’t think he’s been great for Scotland, but the little I’ve seen of McBurnie for Shef Utd and he’s actually a better player than I previously thought IMO.

Keyser Sauzee
05-07-2020, 11:59 AM
I don’t think he’s been great for Scotland, but the little I’ve seen of McBurnie for Shef Utd and he’s actually a better player than I previously thought IMO.

I don’t think he’s anywhere near as bad as some people will have u believe but he should have done far better with his early opportunity today and he’s also cost his team a goal. Not having a great day so far.

H18 SFR
05-07-2020, 03:59 PM
McGinn continues to look like he’s towing a caravan after injury.

I wonder if he is seriously playing whilst in pain or 50/60% fit.

lord bunberry
05-07-2020, 04:20 PM
McGinn continues to look like he’s towing a caravan after injury.

I wonder if he is seriously playing whilst in pain or 50/60% fit.
I thought he got himself more involved in the last 15 minutes.

Since452
05-07-2020, 04:22 PM
McGinn continues to look like he’s towing a caravan after injury.

I wonder if he is seriously playing whilst in pain or 50/60% fit.

Folk raving about his performance on Twitter. I'm not watching it but sounds like he's playing very well

stantonhibby
05-07-2020, 04:22 PM
McGinn continues to look like he’s towing a caravan after injury.

I wonder if he is seriously playing whilst in pain or 50/60% fit.

Thought he was ok tbh. Bit odd to see him marking Van Dijk at that last corner.

660
05-07-2020, 04:33 PM
It's a fantastic league whether you like it or not.

OK thanks for this

lord bunberry
05-07-2020, 04:50 PM
8/1 villa looks decent right now.

lord bunberry
05-07-2020, 05:02 PM
8/1 villa looks decent right now.
Maybe not :greengrin

supermcginn
05-07-2020, 05:59 PM
OK thanks for this

Welcome

Lago
05-07-2020, 05:59 PM
Maybe not :greengrin
Going down I'd guess

lord bunberry
05-07-2020, 06:11 PM
Going down I'd guess
It looks like it’s between them and Watford. From what I’ve seen Watford are a worse team.

Sir David Gray
05-07-2020, 06:18 PM
What a goal for Southampton!

Keyser Sauzee
05-07-2020, 06:20 PM
Great finish from Adams. That’s 3 times goals like that have been scored against Man City, Salah, McTominay and now Adams. I understand why Pep wants the keepers to be good with the ball at their feet but why does Ederson stand so far out his goals?

Lago
05-07-2020, 06:23 PM
What a goal for Southampton!
Reminds me of Chic Charnley against Celtic 😉

The 90+2
05-07-2020, 06:30 PM
How on earth did City not score 😁 incredible attacking play.

Sir David Gray
05-07-2020, 07:59 PM
I've got to laugh at how much of an effort is put into everyone not shaking hands with each other but apparently cuddles and placing your hands over someone's face to embrace at the end is somehow perfectly fine! :greengrin

The 90+2
05-07-2020, 08:21 PM
Barca Villarreal great game so far 2-1.

MWHIBBIES
05-07-2020, 08:39 PM
Strange too see City coming crashing back to earth after their MASSIVE victory over Liverpool. 9 defeats for Peps 700 million pound squad. Very poor.

StevesFamau5
05-07-2020, 08:47 PM
Barca Villarreal great game so far 2-1.Greizmann goal is actual pornogrophy

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The 90+2
05-07-2020, 08:56 PM
Greizmann goal is actual pornogrophy

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Correct :greengrin

Robbo6-2
05-07-2020, 09:15 PM
Sure i read somewhere Che Adams is eligible for Scotland

Keyser Sauzee
05-07-2020, 09:18 PM
Sure i read somewhere Che Adams is eligible for Scotland

Think it’s through a grandparent. Would be promising for the National side if he chooses us, I don’t think he’ll be near England set up anytime soon.

Sir David Gray
05-07-2020, 09:21 PM
Sure i read somewhere Che Adams is eligible for Scotland

He is, his grandparent is/was Scottish.

Scotland sounded him out a few years ago but he didn't want to commit.

Robbo6-2
05-07-2020, 09:23 PM
Harvey Barnes is the same?

He is probably closer to England set up than Adams tbh

JimBHibees
05-07-2020, 09:42 PM
McGinn continues to look like he’s towing a caravan after injury.

I wonder if he is seriously playing whilst in pain or 50/60% fit.

Has struggled a bit since coming back from broken ankle but thought he was better today and battled well and will benefit from the 90. Villa have so many poor players and not sure where a goal is coming from and imo two enormous egos in Grealish and Mings both of which aren't as good as they think they are and not really team players.

erin go bragh
06-07-2020, 06:19 PM
Bremen have the second leg of their playoff tonight at 7.30 ( 0-0 first leg )

Radium
06-07-2020, 06:33 PM
og, Bremen 1-0 with the away goal


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The 90+2
06-07-2020, 06:34 PM
og, Bremen 1-0 with the away goal


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Do away goals count?

HH81
06-07-2020, 06:34 PM
Pen shoot out at Oxford v Portsmouth

The 90+2
06-07-2020, 06:35 PM
Pen shoot out at Oxford v Portsmouth

Pompey have never won a playoff tie. My £ is on them this time. Law of averages 😁

Hibrandenburg
06-07-2020, 06:36 PM
og, Bremen 1-0 with the away goal


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Cracker of an og at that.

HH81
06-07-2020, 06:43 PM
Pompey have never won a playoff tie. My £ is on them this time. Law of averages 😁

Pompy have missed. 4-3 Oxford with one each left.

HH81
06-07-2020, 06:44 PM
Oxford through 5-4.

Some great pens though.

Sylar
06-07-2020, 06:49 PM
Settling down to watch the Spurs vs Everton game. I've been looking forward to watching a live game all day, so no doubt it'll be bloody awful.

MWHIBBIES
06-07-2020, 07:13 PM
Do away goals count?

They do, yes

Scouse Hibee
06-07-2020, 07:25 PM
Deflected goal for Spurs 1-0

OG Michael Keane

erin go bragh
06-07-2020, 08:20 PM
They do, yes
Well ,that could be a bonus as it’s now 1-1

Sylar
06-07-2020, 08:57 PM
What a ****ing horrible game of football.

Garibaldis
06-07-2020, 09:42 PM
Settling down to watch the Spurs vs Everton game. I've been looking forward to watching a live game all day, so no doubt it'll be bloody awful.

You were spot on.

heretoday
07-07-2020, 08:28 AM
Settling down to watch the Spurs vs Everton game. I've been looking forward to watching a live game all day, so no doubt it'll be bloody awful.

It was! Two great managers/ two rubbish teams.

blackpoolhibs
07-07-2020, 05:37 PM
Wilfred Zaha..... WOW.:top marks

MWHIBBIES
07-07-2020, 05:39 PM
Premier league games getting back to their usual high standard as players get fitter.

Billy Whizz
07-07-2020, 05:43 PM
I’m presuming McNulty can’t play for Reading, as he’s already played for 2 teams this season already

Sir David Gray
07-07-2020, 06:31 PM
I’m presuming McNulty can’t play for Reading, as he’s already played for 2 teams this season already

It's slightly different this year due to the circumstances but he's ineligible because he's had 2 loan deals this season.

Keyser Sauzee
07-07-2020, 06:38 PM
Just turned the Chelsea game on, how’s Gilmour played tonight?

J-C
07-07-2020, 06:43 PM
Watching Watford v Norwich, you can see exactly why both are near the bottom, Watford really miss Deulofeu and Norwich would be even worse if they didn't have Buendia who's a bit of class.

heretoday
07-07-2020, 06:44 PM
Just turned the Chelsea game on, how’s Gilmour played tonight?

He's a sprightly lad. Subbed now. it's a lively affair this. Much better than last night's turgid stuff.

04Sauzee
07-07-2020, 07:02 PM
Barnsley drawing 1-1 with bottom of the League Luton, i hadn't realised Barnsley were 2nd bottom of the league and games fast running out. Looks like Daniel could have had a hand in 2 teams getting relegated this season.

BILLYHIBS
07-07-2020, 07:36 PM
Noticed that Arsenal paid respect to the Leicester fans by placing a foxes flag in the away end

I wonder if The Rangers would do the same for us at Ibroke?

😃

Mibbes Aye
07-07-2020, 07:43 PM
Watching Watford v Norwich, you can see exactly why both are near the bottom, Watford really miss Deulofeu and Norwich would be even worse if they didn't have Buendia who's a bit of class.

Danny Welbeck's goal for Watford was a bit special. Worth watching on the highlights or if it is available on YouTube.

I've always liked Welbeck but he has had awful luck with injuries over the years

Sylar
07-07-2020, 07:46 PM
Leicester really are a sorry looking side right now. They have some quality players, but look utterly hopeless. Arsenal could be 3 up by now.

Sylar
07-07-2020, 07:47 PM
What a save from Schmeichel!

Mibbes Aye
07-07-2020, 07:49 PM
What a save from Schmeichel!

Was just about to post the same, two cracking saves from Schmeichel in quick succession.

Bobby's Cinema
07-07-2020, 07:51 PM
Tierney playing well.

Several occasions already in attacking positions though he's been ignored when he could have been in/ was better placed than teammates.

J-C
07-07-2020, 07:55 PM
Danny Welbeck's goal for Watford was a bit special. Worth watching on the highlights or if it is available on YouTube.

I've always liked Welbeck but he has had awful luck with injuries over the years


Did he not have generic hamstring problems, something like it runs in the family or something like that, or I may be making all that up and talking p1sh. :greengrin

Mibbes Aye
07-07-2020, 07:56 PM
Tierney playing well.

Several occasions already in attacking positions though he's been ignored when he could have been in/ was better placed than teammates.

:agree:

He was good in the last couple of games and is good tonight. Ceballos seems to be finding his natural position too. Bellerin being back is positive, though a bit unfortunate for Maitland-Niles' development

Mibbes Aye
07-07-2020, 08:01 PM
Did he not have generic hamstring problems, something like it runs in the family or something like that, or I may be making all that up and talking p1sh. :greengrin

No idea TBH! I always found him likeable and his scoring rate for England exceeded that at club level, but he contributed a lot in that area between midfield and up front at Arsenal. Hard player to describe, there are shades of Darren Jackson when he was with us, in his style of play. Still in his twenties I believe.

Sylar
07-07-2020, 08:03 PM
:agree:

He was good in the last couple of games and is good tonight. Ceballos seems to be finding his natural position too. Bellerin being back is positive, though a bit unfortunate for Maitland-Niles' development

The youngster, Saka, looks a fabulous player. A wee bit lightweight, but he has good pace and great vision for a pass.

Mibbes Aye
07-07-2020, 08:05 PM
The youngster, Saka, looks a fabulous player. A wee bit lightweight, but he has good pace and great vision for a pass.

Must be in serious contention for Young Player of the Season. The number of assists he has made is phenonemal, despite being played in around half a doxen positions over the season.

Garibaldis
07-07-2020, 09:01 PM
Jamie Vardy's having a party.

Robbo6-2
07-07-2020, 09:02 PM
VAR genuinely ruins football.

Pray to god it never appears in Scotland.

Bobby's Cinema
07-07-2020, 09:04 PM
Seen this story at ER many times early part of the season. Arsenal went far too defensive too quickly not even trying to retain the ball.

Had most of the game, took the lead and let it slip late on. Been impressed with them aswell

Garibaldis
07-07-2020, 09:16 PM
Crazy scenes in the Milan v Juventus game. Juventus were 2-0 up, Milan just scored 3 goals in 6 minutes.

Sir David Gray
07-07-2020, 09:16 PM
Noticed that Arsenal paid respect to the Leicester fans by placing a foxes flag in the away end

I wonder if The Rangers would do the same for us at Ibroke?

😃

I'd hope we wouldn't place a Rangers or Celtic flag in the away end of Easter Road.

jgl07
07-07-2020, 09:57 PM
Crazy scenes in the Milan v Juventus game. Juventus were 2-0 up, Milan just scored 3 goals in 6 minutes.

Matching fixing back on the agenda for Italy?

Imagine the odds on that happening?

MWHIBBIES
07-07-2020, 10:15 PM
Matching fixing back on the agenda for Italy?

Imagine the odds on that happening?

Bit of a stretch mate. Just a good game of football.

BILLYHIBS
08-07-2020, 05:23 PM
Manchester City 2 v 0 Newcastle United

Jesus
Mahrez

BILLYHIBS
08-07-2020, 05:40 PM
West Ham United 0 v 1 Burnley

Rodriguez

lord bunberry
08-07-2020, 05:51 PM
I could watch David Silva all day, what a cracking wee player he’s been for Man City. Shame he won’t get the send off he deserves.

BILLYHIBS
08-07-2020, 06:16 PM
Manchester City 3 v 0 Newcastle United

BILLYHIBS
08-07-2020, 07:21 PM
Brighton 0 v 1 Liverpool

Salah

Sir David Gray
08-07-2020, 07:23 PM
2-0

BILLYHIBS
08-07-2020, 07:23 PM
Brighton 0 v 2 Liverpool

Salah
Henderson

Lago
08-07-2020, 07:30 PM
I could watch David Silva all day, what a cracking wee player he’s been for Man City. Shame he won’t get the send off he deserves.
He is he just looks so in control always

Sylar
08-07-2020, 08:01 PM
Stunning goal from Brighton!

1-2 Liverpool

Scouse Hibee
08-07-2020, 08:53 PM
1-3 Salah

StevesFamau5
08-07-2020, 09:10 PM
Ansu Fati showing absolutely no restraint at all. Daft laddie.



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The Modfather
09-07-2020, 05:34 PM
Amazing to think 6 of this Spurs team started the champions league final just 12 months ago, with another 2 part of the run to the final. They look to be on Bournemouth’s level.

Iggy Pope
09-07-2020, 05:38 PM
I’ve posted elsewhere but that’s a magnificent cut out effort at Elland Road from the Leeds fans.

Hibby70
09-07-2020, 05:52 PM
I’ve posted elsewhere but that’s a magnificent cut out effort at Elland Road from the Leeds fans.

Stoke have also participated by having theirs on the pitch.

JohnM1875
09-07-2020, 05:54 PM
Stoke have also participated by having theirs on the pitch.

😂 Well played.

cabbageandribs1875
09-07-2020, 05:55 PM
Leeds go nap v stoke city. FT 5-0. 7 points needed :hyper

3pm
09-07-2020, 07:46 PM
Shocking decison against Villa.

lord bunberry
09-07-2020, 07:46 PM
That’s never a penalty in the villa game, the defender stopped and the Man Utd player has stood on him.

weecounty hibby
09-07-2020, 07:47 PM
Shocking decison against Villa.

Agree, we thought it was a foul to Villa. Fernandez jumps into the defender!

Sir David Gray
09-07-2020, 07:48 PM
That’s never a penalty in the villa game, the defender stopped and the Man Utd player has stood on him.

Stonewaller.

Sir David Gray
09-07-2020, 07:48 PM
McGinn injured.

Edit - He's fine.

Hiber-nation
09-07-2020, 07:49 PM
Scandalous penalty decision. Blatant foul to Villa.

greenlex
09-07-2020, 07:49 PM
Stonewaller.
Poor call imo. Not a pen.

Hibs90
09-07-2020, 07:50 PM
Stonewaller.

I know you are probably joking but it's an absolutely shocking decison.

HH81
09-07-2020, 07:50 PM
McGinn injured.

Edit - He's fine.

He is way off the pace.

lord bunberry
09-07-2020, 07:51 PM
How can the var look at it and still agree with the decision.

Speedway
09-07-2020, 07:54 PM
Fernandes and Rashford are diving cheats.

weecounty hibby
09-07-2020, 07:56 PM
Rashfords dive there was a shocker

Scouse Hibee
09-07-2020, 07:56 PM
I thought it was a penalty when I first saw it but having thought about it and not watched it again I realise it was never a penalty 😉

Sir David Gray
09-07-2020, 07:58 PM
I know you are probably joking but it's an absolutely shocking decison.

I'd have given it.

lord bunberry
09-07-2020, 08:00 PM
I'd have given it.

No danger. The Man Utd player causes the contact and stands on the Villa player.

3pm
09-07-2020, 08:00 PM
He is way off the pace.

I thought he was OK up to getting injured mate.

He can play at this level I reckon but £50m / Man Utd of 6 months ago is fantasy stuff.

HH81
09-07-2020, 08:00 PM
Two poor teams to be fair. Can see why both are struggling.

Heisenberg
09-07-2020, 08:01 PM
The whole Villa team look off the pace. United been walking about keeping the ball with ease for ages.

HH81
09-07-2020, 08:02 PM
I thought he was OK up to getting injured mate.

He can play at this level I reckon but £50m / Man Utd of 6 months ago is fantasy stuff.

Yes since his injury he has been off the pace is what I meant. You can tell when he runs back he is way too slow given normal standards.

Sir David Gray
09-07-2020, 08:03 PM
Two poor teams to be fair. Can see why both are struggling.

You can see why both are struggling? :confused:

Manchester Utd are the form team in the league since the resumption and look a decent bet for finishing 3rd.

3pm
09-07-2020, 08:06 PM
You can see why both are struggling? :confused:

Manchester Utd are the form team in the league since the resumption and look a decent bet for finishing 3rd.

They do getting penalties like that.

Andy74
09-07-2020, 08:06 PM
Greenwood is some finisher.

Hiber-nation
09-07-2020, 08:08 PM
Yes since his injury he has been off the pace is what I meant. You can tell when he runs back he is way too slow given normal standards.

All he is at the moment is a player toiling to find his form in a struggling team. Not a hope of any big move, hopefully he'll be back to his best in the Championship. Surely Villa can't survive the drop.

Andy74
09-07-2020, 08:14 PM
I'd have given it.

A little harsh but certainly clumsy. Puts one foot in then his left leg also comes in whilst turning his back to the challenge.

Hiber-nation
09-07-2020, 08:15 PM
Mings at the 2nd goal....that's embarrassing really. Villa can't score goals and if they can't be bothered defending then they deserve all they get.

Brightside
09-07-2020, 08:17 PM
Villa are just lazy now. Just need to hope McGinn gets a decent move. I;ve never thought he would be a Man U player but he is deffo at top half of the table player.

Billy Whizz
09-07-2020, 08:20 PM
Villa are just lazy now. Just need to hope McGinn gets a decent move. I;ve never thought he would be a Man U player but he is deffo at top half of the table player.

McGinn is a loyal player, I’m sure he’ll hang around, like he did with Hibs

Brightside
09-07-2020, 08:21 PM
McGinn is a loyal player, I’m sure he’ll hang around, like he did with Hibs

If someone like Everton come in for him he will be away in a shot....same for Grelish.

we are hibs
09-07-2020, 08:23 PM
McGinn looks injured still. He doesnt seem to be sprinting much and looks quite leggy and slow.

Scouse Hibee
09-07-2020, 08:24 PM
You can see why both are struggling? :confused:

Manchester Utd are the form team in the league since the resumption and look a decent bet for finishing 3rd.

Everyone is struggling and so so far off the pace of the Champions....23 points!!!!!!

Sir David Gray
09-07-2020, 08:34 PM
3-0

Sir David Gray
09-07-2020, 08:37 PM
Everyone is struggling and so so far off the pace of the Champions....23 points!!!!!!

3 points clear if the season had started in June. :greengrin

Well done on your away win last night by the way, did you remember what it felt like? :wink:

Sylar
09-07-2020, 08:38 PM
Villa are honking.

mcohibs
09-07-2020, 08:39 PM
Two poor teams to be fair. Can see why both are struggling.

Really?? Man utd are a 'poor team' and struggling? Form team in PL at the moment. Barely out of second gear in this game and could be 5 or 6

Andymac85
09-07-2020, 08:40 PM
Villa fans seem to be falling out of love with McGinn - was reading the Villa forum and couple of them saying he’s blowing out his arse and another said he’s playing like he’s pished.

Sylar
09-07-2020, 08:41 PM
Man Utd about to send their U14s on to see the game out by the looks of the lads waiting to come on!

RyeSloan
09-07-2020, 08:42 PM
Villa absolutely awful again.

They just seem to have zero fight or desire.

Their defending for the 2nd and 3rd goals was embarrassing...as is their general work rate and attitude.

Really odd for a team that’s meant to be fighting for their lives in the league.

Keyser Sauzee
09-07-2020, 08:46 PM
I can’t see McGinn getting a move off the back of this form, understand he’s not long back from injury but he’s looked poor when I’ve seen him since restart.

Scouse Hibee
09-07-2020, 08:46 PM
3 points clear if the season had started in June. :greengrin

Well done on your away win last night by the way, did you remember what it felt like? :wink:

If the season had started in June 😂


Remember last season when we lost by one point and were accused of bottling it. 23 points says City bottled it big style and the rest are just there to make up the numbers. 😁

Scouse Hibee
09-07-2020, 08:51 PM
United looking a good bet to make the top four next season, the youngsters are doing well.

Sir David Gray
09-07-2020, 08:54 PM
United looking a good bet to make the top four next season, the youngsters are doing well.

:faf:

I thought trolling was banned on here? :greengrin

HoboHarry
09-07-2020, 08:55 PM
It seemed odd to me earlier in the season that various people were writing off OGS. He is building a force to be reckoned with again and I'm pleased for him......

Scouse Hibee
09-07-2020, 08:57 PM
:faf:

I thought trolling was banned on here? :greengrin

Sorry pal I thought they looked good enough for top four next season but if you disagree that’s fine surely you agree they’ll make the top six then?

weecounty hibby
09-07-2020, 09:01 PM
Cant see anything other than relegation for Villa. They are brutal. No goals in the team, can't keep goals out, just look devoid of ideas, drive or energy. Almost as if they have accepted their fate

JimBHibees
09-07-2020, 09:02 PM
Agree, we thought it was a foul to Villa. Fernandez jumps into the defender!

Fernandez is a shocking diver. Man U have had the most penalties ever this season.

Grealish captain sums up Villa thinks he is better than he is and the heart of a mouse doesn't say much for Smith to allow him the latitude he gets.never a leader in a million years.. Mings ain't much better. John looks to be struggling physically after his ankle break.

NORTHERNHIBBY
09-07-2020, 09:03 PM
If someone like Everton come in for him he will be away in a shot....same for Grelish.

Grealish isn't exactly selling himself on this performance.

RyeSloan
09-07-2020, 09:03 PM
It seemed odd to me earlier in the season that various people were writing off OGS. He is building a force to be reckoned with again and I'm pleased for him......

The addition of Fernandes seems to have revolutionised the team...all of a sudden they have the right players in the right positions.

Also helps when you have Greenwood in the side! That boy can finish for fun and seems to hit the ball like a rocket every time!!!

JimBHibees
09-07-2020, 09:07 PM
The addition of Fernandes seems to have revolutionised the team...all of a sudden they have the right players in the right positions.

Also helps when you have Greenwood in the side! That boy can finish for fun and seems to hit the ball like a rocket every time!!!

Greenwood looks a tremendous prospect

Sir David Gray
09-07-2020, 09:11 PM
Sorry pal I thought they looked good enough for top four next season but if you disagree that’s fine surely you agree they’ll make the top six then?

:greengrin

Couple of players brought in and United will be putting in a decent title challenge pal.

MWHIBBIES
09-07-2020, 09:17 PM
Dunno why some feel the need to put Grealish down to bring McGinn up. Both excellent players. Grealish will be moving for big cash this summer and he has certainly earned it.

JimBHibees
09-07-2020, 09:19 PM
Dunno why some feel the need to put Grealish down to bring McGinn up. Both excellent players. Grealish will be moving for big cash this summer and he has certainly earned it.

Nothing to do with John but Grealish has been appalling for Villa recently and as for captain dear oh dear. Truly overrated.

Scouse Hibee
09-07-2020, 09:39 PM
:greengrin

Couple of players brought in and United will be putting in a decent title challenge pal.

😂

SteveHFC
09-07-2020, 09:53 PM
Mason Greenwood is some player.

MWHIBBIES
09-07-2020, 09:55 PM
Nothing to do with John but Grealish has been appalling for Villa recently and as for captain dear oh dear. Truly overrated.

Class is permanent, though. He is a quality player and his suitors know it.

Its been happening for 2 years on here, folk putting him down for bum up McGinn. Its strange.

Lago
09-07-2020, 09:55 PM
Grealish isn't exactly selling himself on this performance.
He's certainly not lived up to expectations, but then the Villa team as a whole has been poor & 1 player can't carry them all.

Sir David Gray
09-07-2020, 10:07 PM
😂

We'll see!

United's front three are forming into a great front line and improving all the time. Not as good as Liverpool's front three yet but give it time - they're much younger than Liverpool's trio for a start.

With Fernandes pulling the strings in the middle, United finally look like a proper side again and the mind numbing football they have been renowned for over the past few years is becoming a thing of the past.

Only a matter of time before number 21 happens. 😁

Garibaldis
09-07-2020, 10:30 PM
Watching MOTD and how VAR didn't give a penalty for the push on Kane is beyond me.

JimBHibees
10-07-2020, 06:57 AM
Class is permanent, though. He is a quality player and his suitors know it.

Its been happening for 2 years on here, folk putting him down for bum up McGinn. Its strange.

Or he isn't as good as he is rated. Swans about and produces very little in the games I have seen. Admittedly in a very poor team but he has been really poor.

Scouse Hibee
10-07-2020, 07:31 AM
We'll see!

United's front three are forming into a great front line and improving all the time. Not as good as Liverpool's front three yet but give it time - they're much younger than Liverpool's trio for a start.

With Fernandes pulling the strings in the middle, United finally look like a proper side again and the mind numbing football they have been renowned for over the past few years is becoming a thing of the past.

Only a matter of time before number 21 happens. 😁

Miles away from the big boys at the top, top four will be fantastic for you 😁

J-C
10-07-2020, 07:39 AM
Amazing to think 6 of this Spurs team started the champions league final just 12 months ago, with another 2 part of the run to the final. They look to be on Bournemouth’s level.


The Jose Mourinho effect, only manager capable of taking a good team and making them sh ite.

J-C
10-07-2020, 07:44 AM
I thought he was OK up to getting injured mate.

He can play at this level I reckon but £50m / Man Utd of 6 months ago is fantasy stuff.


Unfortunately the manager isn't utilising McGinn, he's being played on the right and being asked to play as a DM. He was more of a B2B in the championship and was a stand out, was very good early season but it's been hard due to Villa's collapse in form, every game is a struggle.

cabbageandribs1875
11-07-2020, 01:25 PM
Norwich relegated. 0-4 v west ham

watford 2 newcastle brown ale 1

J-C
11-07-2020, 01:35 PM
Norwich relegated. 0-4 v west ham

watford 2 newcastle brown ale 1


Never adapted their game against other teams, played some nice attractive stuff to get promoted but not clever enough to strengthen the squad or adapt. See the difference in West Ham, fought hard and have a good few solid decent pros.

Iggy Pope
11-07-2020, 01:37 PM
Another win for Brentford and they played some lovely football.

cabbageandribs1875
11-07-2020, 01:47 PM
Never adapted their game against other teams, played some nice attractive stuff to get promoted but not clever enough to strengthen the squad or adapt. See the difference in West Ham, fought hard and have a good few solid decent pros.
..
i'm not sure of the figure but i think they forked out very little in transfer fees after promotion last season, i really don't know what bournemouth bring to that top league either

J-C
11-07-2020, 02:09 PM
..
i'm not sure of the figure but i think they forked out very little in transfer fees after promotion last season, i really don't know what bournemouth bring to that top league either


These teams are perennial yoyo teams, Bournemouth only has just over 11,329 capacity which TBH is brutal and shows the tv money makes a mockery of the game down there.

Scouse Hibee
11-07-2020, 02:35 PM
Great header from Robbo 1-0 Liverpool

Garibaldis
11-07-2020, 03:24 PM
Neco Williams has put in a good shift for Liverpool. Ryan Giggs must be rubbing his hands with the amount of young talent coming through fron Wales.

Garibaldis
11-07-2020, 03:27 PM
Fantastic finish. 1-1.

Sir David Gray
11-07-2020, 03:36 PM
Great header from Robbo 1-0 Liverpool

Booooooooom.

Sir David Gray
11-07-2020, 03:54 PM
Well done Burnley, first team to take anything at Anfield in the league since the start of last year.

J-C
11-07-2020, 03:56 PM
Well done Burnley, first team to take anything at Anfield in the league since the start of last year.


Well done Nick Pope, outstanding keeper.

Garibaldis
11-07-2020, 04:00 PM
Is it true that Firmino hasn't scored at Anfield this season?

Scouse Hibee
11-07-2020, 04:01 PM
Booooooooom.

That’s some delayed reaction to Robbo’s header pal do try to keep up.

ekhibee
11-07-2020, 04:06 PM
Or he isn't as good as he is rated. Swans about and produces very little in the games I have seen. Admittedly in a very poor team but he has been really poor.

All about opinions obviously. Whenever I saw him before the league was stopped I thought he was really good, including a couple of times when he clearly should have got penalties. Not seen him since the league's started up again though.

Sir David Gray
11-07-2020, 04:06 PM
That’s some delayed reaction to Robbo’s header pal do try to keep up.

Have you found out that Burnley equalised yet? :greengrin

Sir David Gray
11-07-2020, 04:09 PM
Is it true that Firmino hasn't scored at Anfield this season?

Yep his last goal at Anfield was in April last year, his last league goal at Anfield was in March last year.

HH81
11-07-2020, 04:12 PM
Burnley were excellent. Liverpool in 5th gear.

Imagine little Burnley showing the premiership
bigboys Man City, Chelsea, Leicester, Wolves, Arsenal and spurs how to get a result at Liverpool.

Keyser Sauzee
11-07-2020, 05:06 PM
Great header from McBurnie, folk are having a laugh claiming he’s not good enough for Scotland.

Sir David Gray
11-07-2020, 05:35 PM
Great score so far for England's most successful Premier League team. 🇾🇪🇾🇪🇾🇪

BILLYHIBS
11-07-2020, 05:39 PM
Motherwell 1 v 0 Dundee United

White

David Turnbull makes return from injury

https://www.motherwellfc.co.uk/2020/07/11/well-beat-dundee-united-in-friendly/

Scouse Hibee
11-07-2020, 05:41 PM
Yep his last goal at Anfield was in April last year, his last league goal at Anfield was in March last year.

Wrong! He scored at Anfield in March in the Champions League 😁

Scouse Hibee
11-07-2020, 05:42 PM
Is it true that Firmino hasn't scored at Anfield this season?

No it’s not, scored at Anfield in March in the CL.

Sir David Gray
11-07-2020, 05:46 PM
Wrong! He scored at Anfield in March in the Champions League 😁

Apologies, so he did. So one goal at Anfield in 15 months. 🙊

Scouse Hibee
11-07-2020, 05:50 PM
Apologies, so he did. So one goal at Anfield in 15 months. 🙊

He’s far more important to the team than just a goal scorer, he’s different class in his position and a player we miss when he’s not on the pitch.

Sir David Gray
11-07-2020, 06:26 PM
He’s far more important to the team than just a goal scorer, he’s different class in his position and a player we miss when he’s not on the pitch.

Just as well. :greengrin

Since90+2
11-07-2020, 06:30 PM
Just as well. :greengrin


Firmino is brilliant. His link and hold up play is as good as anyone in the game at the moment and his work rate to pressure centre halfs and deep lying midfielders is part of Liverpool's success.

JimBHibees
11-07-2020, 07:04 PM
Firmino is brilliant. His link and hold up play is as good as anyone in the game at the moment and his work rate to pressure centre halfs and deep lying midfielders is part of Liverpool's success.

Yep clearly one of the best attacking players in the league. Superb player

StevesFamau5
11-07-2020, 07:30 PM
Meanwhile in Germany today.

Ingolstadt.. 2-0 down in the relegation playoff first leg to Nurenburg. They are winning 3-0 in the second leg. They concede a 90+6 minute goal to be relegated on away goals.

Sickener....

Sent from my VOG-L09 using Tapatalk

J-C
11-07-2020, 07:35 PM
Firmino is brilliant. His link and hold up play is as good as anyone in the game at the moment and his work rate to pressure centre halfs and deep lying midfielders is part of Liverpool's success.


They have a brilliant front 3 as do Man City, it's not all about how many they score but scoring enough to continually win all the time.

AFKA5814_Hibs
11-07-2020, 08:41 PM
Hat trick for Sterling but he knew nothing about that one. 😆

renato
11-07-2020, 09:30 PM
Atalanta winning 1-2 at Juve, 5 mins to go. They’re on a crazy run, about to go 6 points behind Juve. Great outside bet (E/W) for the CL too. Got great odds for that and Serie A.

renato
11-07-2020, 09:34 PM
This handball rule is outrageous, Juve with 2 penalties, both would never have been given in past seasons. Ronald equalises from the spot again. Shambles

hibsbollah
12-07-2020, 02:15 PM
Could be a big goal for Villa, 1-0 at HT vs Palace.
Sadly it’s Vicky Sparks on the five live commentary, she’s chronic.

erin go bragh
12-07-2020, 02:16 PM
1-0 Villa . If they don’t win this it’s back to the championship for them .

cabbageandribs1875
12-07-2020, 02:26 PM
1-0 leeds @ swansea with approx 5 mins remaining, 3 points here and just four points required with just three games left, two of them at home v charlton and barnsley

FT swansea 0 leeds 1
this is the season:cb

Scottie
12-07-2020, 02:33 PM
1-0 leeds @ swansea with approx 5 mins remaining, 3 points here and just four points required with just three games left, two of them at home v charlton and barnsley
Boo dirty Leeds

hibsbollah
12-07-2020, 02:34 PM
‘Fantastic ball by McGinn’ :boo hoo: leads to pen, overturned by VAR

hibsbollah
12-07-2020, 02:41 PM
Trezeguets second, 2-0. Villa stay alive for a few more days.

greenlex
12-07-2020, 02:43 PM
Could be a big goal for Villa, 1-0 at HT vs Palace.
Sadly it’s Vicky Sparks on the five live commentary, she’s chronic.
Crocker on Sky. McGinn to deliver.

Billy Whizz
12-07-2020, 02:43 PM
Trezeguets second, 2-0. Villa stay alive for a few more days.

What’s their run in like, v what Watford have

easty
12-07-2020, 02:49 PM
What’s their run in like, v what Watford have

Villa have Everton away, Arsenal at home and West Ham away.

Watford have West Ham away, Man City away, Arsenal at home.

I think villa lose all three of those games, they’re down.

Hibee87
12-07-2020, 02:58 PM
Villa have Everton away, Arsenal at home and West Ham away.

Watford have West Ham away, Man City away, Arsenal at home.

I think villa lose all three of those games, they’re down.

West ham also have Watford home, man it's away and Villa home....the only way villa are staying up is winning both Everton away and Arsenal at home....leaving a very interesting last game potentially. However I can't see it. Id say villa are almost definitely down now.

Onceinawhile
12-07-2020, 03:17 PM
Villa and Bournemouth are both down.

Lago
12-07-2020, 03:34 PM
1-0 leeds @ swansea with approx 5 mins remaining, 3 points here and just four points required with just three games left, two of them at home v charlton and barnsley

FT swansea 0 leeds 1
this is the season:cb
I do hope so👏

bringbackbenny
12-07-2020, 03:48 PM
Some goal from Lacazette!

bringbackbenny
12-07-2020, 03:50 PM
Some goal from Lacazette!

And then gift Spurs an equaliser

MWHIBBIES
12-07-2020, 03:51 PM
Horror pass from Kolasinac. Sold Luiz down the river.

Hiber-nation
12-07-2020, 04:48 PM
Ceballos is running this game.

Hiber-nation
12-07-2020, 05:10 PM
And the sucker punch. Classic Mourinho.

MWHIBBIES
12-07-2020, 05:12 PM
Good goal. Arsenal not taken their chances and Spurs capitalized on 2 mistakes.

Garibaldis
12-07-2020, 05:26 PM
Happy days.

Garibaldis
12-07-2020, 05:45 PM
Liverpool next for Arsenal. Looking increasingly likely that the FA Cup will be their only hope of playing European Football next season.

MWHIBBIES
12-07-2020, 06:05 PM
Liverpool next for Arsenal. Looking increasingly likely that the FA Cup will be their only hope of playing European Football next season.

Doubt they are that arsed. Always better to rebuild without Europe to worry about initially.

Garibaldis
12-07-2020, 06:09 PM
Doubt they are that arsed. Always better to rebuild without Europe to worry about initially.

The extra income may have been welcomed in these tougher times. Not sure how important these competitions are to the players ambitions.

ardecos
12-07-2020, 07:23 PM
Watching these EPL games, do they make summer football more attractive, or do we stick with November (winter) rain?

Northernhibee
12-07-2020, 07:36 PM
Two goals, a penalty kick, two goalie howlers and a red card in the space of two minutes to see Leicester go from 1-0 up to 2-1 down. Madness.

ardecos
12-07-2020, 07:49 PM
Two goals, a penalty kick, two goalie howlers and a red card in the space of two minutes to see Leicester go from 1-0 up to 2-1 down. Madness.

Now 4-1

Sir David Gray
12-07-2020, 07:55 PM
Should have been 5.

Sir David Gray
12-07-2020, 07:58 PM
What another weekend for Manchester Utd and they've not even played yet!

3rd placing looking in the bag - Ole's at the wheel!

MWHIBBIES
12-07-2020, 07:58 PM
Got slaughtered on here earlier in the season for saying Leicester are an average side who were in good form. Last 10 games, 11 points, 14th in the form table. I think they've been found out a bit.

Lago
12-07-2020, 08:12 PM
Got slaughtered on here earlier in the season for saying Leicester are an average side who were in good form. Last 10 games, 11 points, 14th in the form table. I think they've been found out a bit.
I totally agree.

Garibaldis
12-07-2020, 08:32 PM
What another weekend for Manchester Utd and they've not even played yet!

3rd placing looking in the bag - Ole's at the wheel!

Wouldn't put it past United needing a win at Leicester last game of the season and losing.

Pagan Hibernia
12-07-2020, 08:42 PM
Starting to look very much like 3rd place for United... and maybe a trophy or two to go with it