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Jonnyboy
03-08-2019, 06:48 PM
With progress in the Betfred Cup secured, Hibs moved on to the important business of trying to get off to a winning start by welcoming St. Mirren to Easter Road on the opening day. There was plenty of sunshine on Leith as the hosts took to the field with a line-up that included Steven Whittaker at left back and saw Sean Mackie having to be content with sitting on the bench alongside the likes of Darren McGregor as Jackson joined Hanlon in the middle of the Hibs back four. Hecky went with four of his summer signings with James at right back, the aforementioned Jackson and both Vela and Newell taking up midfield berths.

It was a bright enough start by the home team with the midfield trying to keep us on the front foot but St. Mirren, who came to sit deep and frustrate, weren’t really put under much pressure in a first half dominated by Hibs but victim to a lot of sloppy play and misplaced passes. At times there was clever interplay with the ball quickly passed between players but in truth that didn’t really happen often enough. We were slack in the middle and pretty ineffective out wide although Newell did help to set up a couple of half chances.

At the other end, when St. Mirren did venture forward they looked a threat and it took a fantastic last ditch block by Hanlon and an acrobatic one handed save from Rocky to deny the visitors the couple of chances they did make. A couple of questionable decisions by referee Euan Anderson seemed to raise the home crowd from a collective stupor as first Allan and then Horgan were victims of very poor tackles from behind. Anderson saw little wrong and didn’t award a free kick on either occasion. Having said that, I thought Vela risked a red when leading with his arm in an aerial challenge but Anderson produced a yellow.

Chances for Hibs were at a bit of a premium although Flo was unlucky when his effort was blocked at the last second to deny him hitting the target. Hanlon then saw a header drift wide and Mallan had the Saints keeper working but despite those few half chances Hibs were not overly impressive for long spells in that first half.

The St. Mirren outside left looked a real threat at times although for the most part, Tom James handled the challenge well enough. I’m not sure if that was the St. Mirren player guilty of a horrendous raking challenge down the back of James’ leg but the Hibs man struggled for a good few minutes and had to be replaced by Mackie on the stroke of half time. As the players trudged off for the break I reflected on whether any could be happy with their contribution so far and only two met that standard in my opinion, Rocky for his stunning save and the much maligned Steven Whittaker who was, for my money, the best in green and white by some distance.

The second half proved to be quite an improvement on the first from a Hibs perspective although there were periods when backwards and sideways passing had the crowd a little restless. When on the front foot, Hibs were unlucky not to take the lead when a Scott Allan shot from the angle of the box dipped over the visiting keeper but crashed back off the post before the home fans thought they’d witnessed the deadlock being broken. A clever Newell header beat the keeper but struck the post and although Kamberi was there to tap the ball home he was adjudged offside.

With around twenty minutes left a lovely pass from Allan found Kamberi in a shooting position. His effort was very well saved by Hladky but the ball fell to the feet of Doidge. The net was gaping, he was eight yards out but instead of striking the ball home he stood on it and lost control. Still Hibs pushed on and half chances came and went before the visitors had a golden chance to take the lead but McLoughlin headed wide when it looked easier to score. St Mirren almost made Hibs pay for their profligacy but once again Rocky pulled off a stunning one handed save to deny Magennis.

With the clock running down a lovely lay off by Doidge gave Scott Allan possession inside the Saints box. Scotty skipped past a challenge and then sent a lovely right foot drive under the goalkeeper and into the net. On the balance of play it was no more than Hibs deserved but they should really have added a second when Kamberi broke free on the left, drove to the by line and looked up before delivering the ball to the feet of Doidge some two yards from goal. It defies belief that the big fella missed but in trying to angle the ball away from the goalkeeper he managed instead to knock it miles wide of the empty net.

That set the nerves jangling a bit and during the four minutes of added time the visitors might just have secured an equaliser with Flynn and Obika both going close. Thankfully we were able to see the game out and secure a very welcome winning start to the league campaign.

The players

Rocky – It was a strange ninety minutes for Rocky as he had little to do beyond those fantastic acrobatic one handed saves.

Tom – Only played the first half and faced a tricky opponent but I thought that in the main he handed the challenge well.

Adam – Rarely troubled if truth be told and if I have a gripe it’s that his distribution, when he’s not going sideways to Hanlon, is not the best.

Paul – Was doing just fine until Obika came on and he had to adjust accordingly to deny the speed merchant. He did though and that’s a plus.

Whitty – I’m aware that a significant number of people have written Steven off and argue that he’s not good enough to play in our first eleven and so it gives me enormous pleasure to adjudge him as my man of the match by some distance. I spotted maybe two instances when he got it wrong and said to my mate that I’d no doubt they’d be focussed on by his critics.

Daryl – I’m equally aware that a significant number of people think Daryl’s is a name that should be amongst the first on the team sheet. Sad to say, I disagree. His positives are too few and far between for me and frankly I thought he was very poor today and not for the first time this season.

Stevie – I still think he sits too deep. Vela is there to be the ball carrier and we don’t need a second in Mallan. A large part of his game is his goal threat but playing him so deep tends to negate that threat. Poor in the first half he improved in the second but someone needs to tell him it shouldn’t always be him that hits free kicks at goal.

Josh – I like the lad but felt he was a bit sloppy with his passing today and seemed to get closed down rather easily.

Scotty – His goal was superbly made and taken and there were numerous glimpses of the Scotty we love but I thought he was anonymous for lengthy periods and because of that and his frustration he tried too often to make the killer pass when a shot at goal was on.

Joe – The more I see him the more I like him. He’s a very clever footballer with great feet and although my pal says Joe is too languid at times, I see it as him conserving energy he doesn’t really need to expend.

Flo – Not so long ago he was being branded as lazy but there was no evidence of that today. Indeed, during time added on when St. Mirren flooded forward it was Flo that got in a telling challenge in the left back position. I also think he’s taking on board the advice of his coaches to link play better than he has done in the past.

Sean – I expect Sean would have been disappointed not to have made the starting eleven but he got the whole second half and did well enough in my view.

Doidge – Two shocking misses that he’ll likely have nightmares about but credit where it’s due in setting Scotty up for the winner.

Viki – I know he didn’t play in the same position but for me he was far more careful in possession on the ball than Horgan, whom he replaced.

Hecky – I actually heard his post-match interview and he accepted we were poor in the first half but bucked our ideas up in the second and crucially kept going right to the end.

Referee Euan Anderson – The usual assortment of baffling decisions.

The fans – Good turnout from Paisley, fantastic turnout in the home stands but once again it was like a morgue at times.

Billy Whizz
03-08-2019, 07:05 PM
Pretty much agree with most of this JB. Apart from a Mallan shot, did next to nothing in the 1st half
Thought Whittaker was outstanding throughout, should have got MOTM.
Manager got the substitutions right, and thought Flo was much happier having a partner, and driving wide left

Another injury today, seems to be relentless this season already

Happily take the 3 points, which was the most important thing, but still think we need 3/4 players

judas
03-08-2019, 07:05 PM
Great review as usual and many thanks for it.

But I think that Mallan should always take the free kicks. He is our dead ball specialist.

neil7908
03-08-2019, 07:05 PM
I can understand negativity about the first half performance but once we went 2 up top it was a lot better. Apart from the goal we hit the post twice, had the Kamberi follow up incorrectly disallowed and Doidge missed a couple of sitters.

There's work to be done and I'm not massively confident for next week but I saw enough second half to give me hope for the rest of the season.

God help us if Allan gets injured though.

Pedantic_Hibee
03-08-2019, 07:16 PM
Jonnyboy, I can’t think of a single Hibs game I’ve been at where my view differs from yours, it’s exactly how I see it although you illustrate it far more eloquently than I can.

Whittaker MOTM by a mile, Newell is a very good footballer although I can see why he has his critics; Vela imo will be fantastic when he’s properly integrated, Doidge gets into good positions, Slivka I thought was a good driving force when he came on too and Jackson is solid.

04Sauzee
03-08-2019, 07:23 PM
Jonnyboy, I can’t think of a single Hibs game I’ve been at where my view differs from yours, it’s exactly how I see it although you illustrate it far more eloquently than I can.

Whittaker MOTM by a mile, Newell is a very good footballer although I can see why he has his critics; Vela imo will be fantastic when he’s properly integrated, Doidge gets into good positions, Slivka I thought was a good driving force when he came on too and Jackson is solid.
Agree about Newal very good player, Vela will get better he still hasn't played mutch football and I'm not a fan of Slivka but he did come on and add some drive for us today so happy with his contribution

BILLYHIBS
03-08-2019, 07:24 PM
Brilliant once again Jonnyboy

Thought James got left for toast a couple of times by a tricky left winger and Jackson had to come across to cover for him

Horgan should be passing the ball down the line and not out of play

Oh for Mickey Edwards

My concern after watching that today is that Hecky has seriously underestimated the standard of the Scottish Premiership and Celtic The Rangers and Aberdeen are going to rip us to shreads

Bring back Dazza someone who knows what is required against The Rangers

It wasn’t that long ago we were going to Ibroke and playing them off the park

SolentHibee
03-08-2019, 07:25 PM
It always takes me a few hours to get rational about how hibs have played, so I’m more positive now than when I saw numerous instances of us putting ourselves under pressure with unnecessarily slack passing.
While st mirren had some good chances, we had the majority of the better ones. I felt the tempo of our play improved once Slivka came on, and we really should have scored more goals, which would have changed the whole perception of the game. There were isolated incidents of excellent interplay throughout the game that were pretty entertaining and deserving of a better end result. The potential is clearly there.
Listening to heckie’s interview he mentioned it was the first time some of the players had played at a busy Easter road and were nervous; it was also their first exposure to the tempo of an SPL game and I am hoping they get up to speed as they get more attuned to it.

A good 3 points to get in the end.

erin go bragh
03-08-2019, 07:53 PM
I can’t argue with any of that JB . Offside call was another shocker unless it was for the initial header that hit the post . Flo was a couple of yards onside . Happy to get the win tho .

rotherhamrob
03-08-2019, 07:56 PM
Agree with just about all of this just back.
I'd also add that I think Horgan makes a bigger impact as a sub than starter though Tbf we aren't exactly blessed with wingers just now with Boyle being out.

Saturday Boy
03-08-2019, 08:45 PM
Thanks for your usual insightful post. I thought Whittaker played very well. He knows he no longer has the pace and energy he had when he was here as a youngster, but he can still see the pass and movement and still read the game. I actually thought it was our “footballers” Allan, Mallan and Horgan that were a bit off today. When it all comes together, and it will, it will be great.

Jonnyboy
03-08-2019, 10:49 PM
Brilliant once again Jonnyboy

Thought James got left for toast a couple of times by a tricky left winger and Jackson had to come across to cover for him

Horgan should be passing the ball down the line and not out of play

Oh for Mickey Edwards

My concern after watching that today is that Hecky has seriously underestimated the standard of the Scottish Premiership and Celtic The Rangers and Aberdeen are going to rip us to shreads

Bring back Dazza someone who knows what is required against The Rangers

It wasn’t that long ago we were going to Ibroke and playing them off the park

Now there was a player :aok:

green day
03-08-2019, 11:05 PM
Excellent assessment as usual.

Regarding the crowd, I do think the slow tempo does bugger all for the atmosphere - around me everyone had this tagged as boring after 15 minutes...........and I dont disagree.

The players might expect the fans to create an atmosphere, but it is a 2 way street and at times it bizarrely felt like an end of season match.

matty_f
03-08-2019, 11:16 PM
Excellent assessment as usual.

Regarding the crowd, I do think the slow tempo does bugger all for the atmosphere - around me everyone had this tagged as boring after 15 minutes...........and I dont disagree.

The players might expect the fans to create an atmosphere, but it is a 2 way street and at times it bizarrely felt like an end of season match.

I don’t think the tempo was all Hibs’ fault. How do you play fast through a packed defence like that? You can’t - you need to try and pull them out of shape. If you watch, we had plenty movement and plenty one or two touch passes but ultimately players are trying to find space where there is very little.

They were so deep we couldn’t get in behind them to get them turned and you can’t counter attack a team that’s sat in.

St Mirren, when they did attack, always had space to run in to because we would commit players forward.

We had plenty of performances/games like that under Stubbs and Lennon, too.

number9dream
04-08-2019, 09:46 AM
The first half was a complete bore, with Hibs far too ponderous and slack in possession to break down St Mirren.
The lack of pace in the team is a worry and James looked like he was running through sand a couple of times before he was hacked down.
Distribution from the centre-backs is another problem area - sideways, sideways, sideways, give it away - was a bit of a theme.
Vela was perhaps the biggest disappointment (although the two misses from Doidge were astonishing). I thought he was brought in to give us energy and dig and allow Mallan and Allan to push on and create chances but he was really passive on the ball and slack with it far too many times. Let's hope it was just an off day for him and for a few others.
Lovely finish from Allan and a few glimpses of what he's best at, Kamberi upped his work rate and was going strong at the end, Rocky showed his worth and Whittaker was easily our best player with some lovely touches and a good range of passing.

superfurryhibby
04-08-2019, 10:22 AM
As always, a decent summary from JB.

I thought we were fortunate to get all three points, saying that it could also have been a more comfortable margin of victory if we had taken our chances. The game changed once we’re in front and St Mirren pressed us hard for an equaliser, coming close a few times.

The best for Hibs was undoubtedly Whittaker. He showed a lot of composure and linked well with other players, offering some incisive runs and some decent long balls too. An excellent footballer who gives his all, not as quick as he once was, but definitely eager, confident and our strongest performer on the day.

Mentions too for Rocky who showed his class with two fine saves, the second in particular was excellent. I was less imoressed with the ridic throwout late in the game though. That could have been costly.

As pointed out by a few already, it’s hard to play with a decent tempo against a team with all 11 players in their own half. Probe, sideways, probe, 25 yard pass, poor touch and St Mirren were off on the counter, exploiting easy space and often finding themselves facing a sparse and quite open defence.

Patient build up is needed, but we need to be careful not to lose the ball. Vela was caught dithering a couple of times, Allan had some slack passes and whilst at times he looked eager, he never really managed to bring others into the game. Very good goal from him though. It showed what a bit of extra class brings and he has it in abundance.

I thought St Mirren played the game well enough, they had a plan and it mostly worked well. They stifled the game and broke forward with some menace. They also brought a decent crowd through. Whilst they had a few nasty tackles, they were nowhere near as cynical and negative as some of the teams we’ve seen at ER.

All in all, relieved to have the points, but significant improvement needed all round, particularly in midfield.

Baldy Foghorn
04-08-2019, 10:29 AM
Wasn't pretty but 3 points in the bag.

Much better needed for the Season, big performances in games. Stiff test next week.

I hate seeing lone striker at home, much improved with two up top.

skyhibs
04-08-2019, 06:43 PM
3 points was the most important for me today but if we play like that against a decent team then we will lose more that we win.... there was no high pressing and most of the times we had the ball in the first half you could see the players looking to see who they could pass the ball back to.... so slow and full of giving the ball away int the first half... St Mirren must be unhappy about not getting something from the game.... I am no whittaker fan but i must give credit where credit is due and if allan didnt score that goal then whitts would have been my man of the match.... I thought that Horgan done his usual and ran about with no end product.. Rocky had a few good important saves.... not much to say about most other players... great three points but thats the only positive against a bottom 6 team... I think some players looked uninterested and didnt want the ball and when they did get it either passed it to opposing players or got rid immediately... anyway i look forward to next week to see if we change anything... although i cant see us playing the rangers off the park but hope we can keep it tight till the rangers fans get on their backs and we might nick one... although i dont know who can score goals for us this season... we are crying out for a decent striker but just like last year we still havent got one...

ancient hibee
04-08-2019, 07:11 PM
Slow passing at the back played into StMirren’s hands and they were happy to watch.Game changed when Hanlon decided to drive forward with the ball and the game opened up,lead to our goal in fact.Once we had two up front they were in difficulty as clearly it’s easier to mark one who is unsupported rather than two when defenders are pulled wide.Doidge’s misses were dreadful and I thought he should have scored three.

wookie70
04-08-2019, 07:11 PM
Agree on much of that but having looked at Doidge's chances the first was definitely behind him and far harder than it looked from my view at the game. The second was an absolute sitter and a shocking miss, far worthier of mention.

Rocky was indeed acrobatic but the flying tends to happen after the saves and both saves were well hit shots that were right at him and you would expect every decent adult keeper to save. I suspect he could have caught the second one as it was almost straight at him and having looked at the pitchside highlights the ball never moved at all.

I agree totally with your Scottie A summary. He is pure class but he needs to pick his passes better at times and he has a bad habit of trying harder and harder passes when it isn't going well. He is at his best for me when playing short passes that are relatively simple looking but because of how early and beautifully weighted he plays them he opens up all sorts of space and moves defenders around. Yesterday he was trying to thread passes through 4 and 5 defenders and simply handing Saints possession and the initiative.

It all turned out well yesterday and we played quite well in bursts so lets hope the short spells get longer and the entertainment grows week on week.

BILLYHIBS
05-08-2019, 07:34 AM
Slow passing at the back played into StMirren’s hands and they were happy to watch.Game changed when Hanlon decided to drive forward with the ball and the game opened up,lead to our goal in fact.Once we had two up front they were in difficulty as clearly it’s easier to mark one who is unsupported rather than two when defenders are pulled wide.Doidge’s misses were dreadful and I thought he should have scored three.

What was the third one?

Bear in mind he was only on the park for twenty five minutes

A hatrick would have elevated him to hero status in the eyes of most HIBS fans :greengrin

BSEJVT
05-08-2019, 07:49 AM
Thanks JB

I am not seeing what others see in James at all.

I am fine with the other ones, although Vela was very poor on Saturday but James worries me.

Early days though and hopefully he can and will kick on and pick up the pace and intensity.

Greenio
06-08-2019, 04:00 AM
great review as always.

any chance you can list the player review with their surnames? just makes it easier to read your appraisals of them.

cheers

BILLYHIBS
06-08-2019, 04:35 AM
great review as always.

any chance you can list the player review with their surnames? just makes it easier to read your appraisals of them.

cheers

Agree! :greengrin

calumhibee1
06-08-2019, 06:02 AM
What was the third one?

Bear in mind he was only on the park for twenty five minutes

A hatrick would have elevated him to hero status in the eyes of most HIBS fans :greengrin

He missed a one on one later on, he sort of slid at the ball (it’s an awful description but I can’t think of another way :greengrin) sure it was already 1-0 at this point. It wasn’t a sitter but he probably should have scored it imo.

BILLYHIBS
06-08-2019, 06:09 AM
He missed a one on one later on, he sort of slid at the ball (it’s an awful description but I can’t think of another way :greengrin) sure it was already 1-0 at this point. It wasn’t a sitter but he probably should have scored it imo.
Pretty Boy alluded to this chance in one of his posts

As I said if he had scored a hatrick he would have been a hero

At least he is getting into the correct positions

I hope he scores in his next couple of games as HIBS fans are not the most patient

Sunday would be nice :greengrin

Jonnyboy
06-08-2019, 08:10 AM
great review as always.

any chance you can list the player review with their surnames? just makes it easier to read your appraisals of them.

cheers

Good point. Will do, starting on Saturday ✅

ancient hibee
06-08-2019, 09:51 AM
What was the third one?

Bear in mind he was only on the park for twenty five minutes

A hatrick would have elevated him to hero status in the eyes of most HIBS fans :greengrin

The first was when he was in on the keeper and sclaffed it towards him-
second was after Kamberi should have scored but keeper saved and he stood on the ball-
third was when Kamberi laid it on a plate and he knocked it away from goal.

He gets into good positions but then seems to have a rush of blood.Did well when taking the pass from Hanlon to play Allan in.

BILLYHIBS
06-08-2019, 10:38 AM
The first was when he was in on the keeper and sclaffed it towards him-
second was after Kamberi should have scored but keeper saved and he stood on the ball-
third was when Kamberi laid it on a plate and he knocked it away from goal.

He gets into good positions but then seems to have a rush of blood.Did well when taking the pass from Hanlon to play Allan in.
Do you sit West Upper South near the back?

The reason I ask is because there was an older gentleman sitting beside me who spent the last twenty five minutes with his head in his hands 😁

ancient hibee
06-08-2019, 01:26 PM
Do you sit West Upper South near the back?

The reason I ask is because there was an older gentleman sitting beside me who spent the last twenty five minutes with his head in his hands 😁

No,near the front.I didn’t reach the head in the hands stage but I own up to a raised quizzical eyebrow at miss number three.I saw on TV that Flo had a kick at the goalnet at that effort.

Unseen work
06-08-2019, 03:33 PM
Imo we were trying to be far too pretty and precise on Saturday, the amount of times the ball out wide was on and we tried to thread it through the eye of the needle into a player more centrally that had 2/3 players around him was criminal

It will work sometimes but as we saw, a lot get intercepted or the person receiving it loses possession which leads to a quick counter attacking chance for the opposition. We were lucky St Mirren never punished these and I suspect other teams will.


Personally think that was our tactic as Mallan rarely went for his normal long diagonal pass to switch the play.

Further up the park is not as big a problem, but Vela, Mallan and Allan tried them a lot to no avail.

Defensively I thought we were solid enough, Whittikar and Jackson has good games imo and defended well, the only times they were under any real pressure was when we gave it away carelessly.

Attacking wise we just seemed to be a bit off and wanting all the flicks and nice passes, the final ball on most occasions failing to come off. Sometimes we were needing a simple pass into the strikers feet to get up the park and pin them back.

I for one was expecting to win by a couple of goals but St Mirren were a lot better then I was expecting and pressed us very well all over the park. They had good energy and tenacity about them. A win was very important though and delighted we managed to get their.

Be interesting what we do against Rangers as we created a hell of a lot more when we went to 2 upfront. That being said I think how we played against St Mirren would be better suited for Rangers as they will be more open and those reverse passes will cause Rangers problems.

Marciano - Done well, distribution was mainly better than normal and dealt with everything bar one cross where he got a bit of good fortune comfortably.

James - Couple of slack moments at the start, il put that down to not expecting the pace of the game to be that quick. Linked up well on occasion and disappointed he went off injured.

Jackson - Solid, dont think he lost a header or tackle, I’m fan.

Hanlon - Again done well and not troubled, defended well

Whittikar - Done really well and was delighted for him. Looks a lot more mobile this season and showed great ability on the ball going forward but also defended well with some great tackles 1 vs 1.

Horgan - Frustrating, a couple of very sloppy passes and never seemed as threatening as normal. Still provides a couple of good crosses and dribbles however.

Allan - took his goal really well and had some moments of brilliance with his passing and dribbling. Also had some moments where he was very slack and flat footed.

Mallan - Not in the game as much as recently and found it interesting he wasn’t going for the long diagonal switch as often as normal as previously mentioned. Again a couple of slack passes in areas which could be costly. Unlucky with a couple of strikes

Vela - Buzzed about well and is quick in closing down opposition and winning the ball back. Always wants on it which is pleasing but was guilty of slack passing similar to Mallan where he has tried a eye of the needle pass.

Newell - One of our better players, got a really nice touch and left foot on him, also seems willing to put his head down and drive at opposition. What I like is how he seems to drift infield and get into good positions which over the course of the season will see him score or assist quite a lot of goals imo.

Kamberi - Unbeleivable he has had 2 nearly identical chances wrongly disallowed. Linking up and confidence is back and I’m looking forward to seeing him this season. Should have has a couple of gals (disallowed and one vs one which spilled tin Doidge) and an assist where Doidge missed the ball. Looks threatening when he’s played through.

Mackie - Done fine, not much to report back really.

Slivka - Wasn’t as impressive as others made out imo however he done well and kept the ball moving.

Doidge - Where do you start? Got a assist with a great first time pass into Allan but also could and probably should have had a hat trick. One the ball got stuck under his feet, the other he missed the ball and the 3rd after great interplay he hit the goalie from 8 yards. We certainly looked more threatening when he came on and it was good to see he is getting in the right areas to hurt teams. Hopefully when he gets his first competitive goal the rest flow.

Think our squad still looks a bit light, a couple of injuries and we would really struggle imo, a couple of signings and we are looking strong.

A winger with pace, skill and direct (Middleton)

A defensive midfielder who can protect the back 4.

A striker with that something different and a bit of pace.

Get the 3 above and we’re looking good imo.