The Ashes 2019!!!!!!!

[marinello59]

Ouch. Down to the bowlers to save this game. If not the series is probably gone. Root might be looking at the end of his Captaincy as well. The responsibility seems to be weighing his own game down.

[K-Zazu]

Ouch. Down to the bowlers to save this game. If not the series is probably gone. Root might be looking at the end of his Captaincy as well. The responsibility seems to be weighing his own game down.

The game is done now, they should have sorted the batting order out before this game. Root has been out to the crease basically right away in every innings.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Aussies 10-1

[Haymaker]

67 AO? That's proper embarrassing.

[marinello59]

67 AO? That's proper embarrassing.

Their lowest Ashes score since 1948. The sports headlines should be interesting tomorrow. :greengrin

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

52-3

[Onceinawhile]

The australians aren't exactly knocking up high scores here either.

Whats the deal? Rubbish batting or excessively good bowling?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

The australians aren't exactly knocking up high scores here either.

Whats the deal? Rubbish batting or excessively good bowling?

There's been an awful lot of movement off the pitch for the bowlers. Some shocking strokes being played too.

[Mibbes Aye]

The australians aren't exactly knocking up high scores here either.

Whats the deal? Rubbish batting or excessively good bowling?

It’s arguably the beauty of cricket. There are no bad players out there, they don’t get to where they are other than by being exceptionally talented. The batsmen aren’t collectively having a bad day or the bowlers all having a good one.

But there are so many variables - the state of the pitch, the state of the ball, cloud cover and humidity, the pressure applied by different fielding formations, and the whole issue of confidence and momentum both in relation to individuals and teams, leading to bad shot selection and unforced errors. Some of those factors are combining to the advantage of the bowlers.

For me I tend to prefer an innings where the bowlers have slightly the upper hand, I think it makes for more intriguing and satisfying cricket. Especially the duels between certain batsmen and bowlers, there have been some excellent battles.

[heretoday]

I'm old enough to remember when one-day cricket was rather frowned upon as fun but not to be overindulged in for fear of encouraging poor batting technique and loss of concentration at the crease.
It seems the old boys were right. The proper game has suffered.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

164-6. Tremendous couple of days entertainment so far.

[Mibbes Aye]

164-6. Tremendous couple of days entertainment so far.

It certainly is!

As it is third innings and Australia have a lead, then it is essentially 277-6, with England having one bat. If the bowlers can support Labuschagne then Australia should edge past 300 at least and that looks a tall order for England to match.

[CloudSquall]

67 AO? That's proper embarrassing.

I was wondering why my English colleague who is an avid cricket fan was completely silent these days... what's that word?....

Oh aye...


PLEASING :greengrin

[JeMeSouviens]

Well, well. The euphoric Headingley crowd of last night weren’t expecting this! Incredible really. We only got 52 overs yesterday, but plenty of excitement in them.

Super Jofra was the most popular man in Yorkshire. He’s so languid, a couple of brisk strides, then a short jog but boy is he dangerous. For the Aussies, Warner hung in despite being all at sea then made the most of a poor spell from Stokes’n’Woakes. Labuschagne was magnificent, patient, superb judgement and whacked it when it was there to be whacked. He just looked so untroubled compared to everyone else.

England have totally blown it today though. Their current tendency to collapse en masse is quite something.

[JeMeSouviens]

Best crowd sledge yesterday: He’s got sandpaper in his pants to the tune of whole world in his hands.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Best crowd sledge yesterday: He’s got sandpaper in his pants to the tune of whole world in his hands.

They've sung it in every test of the series so far.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Some effort from Stokes to bowl so many overs at the end of the day there, deserved much more reward too. The guy is fit as a fiddle (whatever that means)!

[Tobias Funke]

Shouldn't take long. Money talks so the focus is on one day and T20, county championship financially irrelevant

Well that attitude needs to change otherwise it’ll be a long time before the Ashes are won by England again.

[ACLeith]

Well that attitude needs to change otherwise it’ll be a long time before the Ashes are won by England again.

Agreed

[Mibbes Aye]

What a difference a day makes!

Play ended on the opening day with Australia all out for 179 and England must have fancied the opportunity of a win at Headingley to give them a chance of winning back the Ashes.

Yet by lunch on day two, the hosts were 54-6, the tourists driven by the excellent Josh Hazlewood who had taken 3-26 from 11 overs, with some peerless line and length bowling with just a hint of movement both in and out.

It wasn’t long after that England were all out for 67, a score that ranks amongst their worst in Test and Ashes history and will be painful for obvious reasons in hindsight.

The Australians made somewhat heavy weather of compiling their 171-6, more of that later, but in the end they have a lead of 283 with four wickets remaining at the end of day two. It takes a brave person to predict any outcome in the Ashes, let alone this one, but Australia look like they will be retaining the urn with two matches left leading into the potential of a first series victory on English soil since 2001!

[Mibbes Aye]

What a difference a day makes!

Play ended on the opening day with Australia all out for 179 and England must have fancied the opportunity of a win at Headingley to give them a chance of winning back the Ashes.

Yet by lunch on day two, the hosts were 54-6, the tourists driven by the excellent Josh Hazlewood who had taken 3-26 from 11 overs, with some peerless line and length bowling with just a hint of movement both in and out.

It wasn’t long after that England were all out for 67, a score that ranks amongst their worst in Test and Ashes history and will be painful for obvious reasons in hindsight.

The Australians made somewhat heavy weather of compiling their 171-6, more of that later, but in the end they have a lead of 283 with four wickets remaining at the end of day two. It takes a brave person to predict any outcome in the Ashes, let alone this one, but Australia look like they will be retaining the urn with two matches left leading into the potential of a first series victory on English soil since 2001!

Battery died on my iPad just as I was ending that post so these are the further thoughts I had from today's play.

In the England innings, the collective failure of nerve shouldn't overshadow what was a tremendous, I mean really tremendous, bowling performance by the Aussie quicks. Nathan Lyon wasn't troubled today, he could have played with the cigar in one hand, the brandy in the other and a pair of fleece-lined slippers on his feet.

Josh Hazlewood was fantastic, ending up with 5-30 from 12.5 overs. I think what impresses me most about Hazlewood isn't the wickets but the balls that batters either can't play or have to leave. He is disciplined and remorseless and England are having to adapt given he missed out at the start. I think I have mentioned before that he is the closest I have seen to McGrath in an Australian shirt and while no one is ever likely to match Glenn, Josh is bloody good!

Part of me also wonders whether Mitchell Starc will finally get a game in the next Test, meaning the English will have been adapting to a changing set of world-class pacemen in every game. If that is intentional then Justin Langer, the Australian coach, has out-thought England massively. Credit too, to Pat Cummins who snagged 3-23 from nine overs and the returning Pattinson who took a couple of wickets. Intriguingly this is the first Test match that Hazlewood, Cummins and Pattinson have all played in at the same time. I can't imagine they can hope to retain this potency all the time but what a blistering effort.

Kudos too, to David Warner. He has had a rough time on tour, effectively a bunny for Stuart Broad, but he highlighted the team aspect of cricket with some outstanding fielding in the slips taking four catches I believe. It shows his reactions are fine and maybe he can bud from here with the batting.

As for the England batting, well, yes, everybody has a bad day at the office but unfortunately there are some fundamental issues that will severely damage the team if not arrested. I've long been a stickler that England need to decide on an opening pair and give them time regardless if they bump into bad form, otherwise they will always be using this rotating door for selecting one and two. Jason Roy is a massively talented ODI and T20 player but simply doesn't have the technique for opening in Test matches, I think that is evident to all. While the temptation is to say he could play Test cricket at four or five, it doesn't resolve the fundamental problem of England being weak at the top, meaning four or five aren't rich pickings to slog a tired ball of tired bowlers - you can be in there before halfway through the first morning!

There has been talk about Root continuing at three, after another failure. I don't think he likes three and I actually don't think he likes captaincy (just IMO) but at the end of the day, England have tried everyone and their auntie at three while their very best player sat lower down the order. He has to swallow it and do what's right. I heard Boycott on TMS or Sky today saying he should drop down and put Stokes up to three but that is nonsensical. It is just creating another sacrificial lamb.

It is funny contrasting that with Australia. By my logic Smith should bat at three. Yet their selectors have made a fetish of staying loyal to Khawaja. He does have a decent record at home but travels poorly IIRC and I don't think he is good enough to hold the position of first in. I wonder whether Labuschagne's heroics will see him retaining his place for the next Test and Smith moving up. That would seem fairer than dropping Wade or Head, and in the latter's case I think that's an impossibility.

As for the Australian third innings, we saw some tired, tired bowlers out there. Credit to them for putting it all out there, but let down again by some bad review decisions. Labuschagne can maybe challenge Jofra for the breakout star of this series with a much-needed and much-pain inflicting half century off 139 balls. I am curious about why the Aussies put Pattinson in before Cummins in the batting order. I think Cummins has more stickability which is what you want from a tail-ender.

Just picking up on comments earlier in the thread, there was mention of the impact of ODIs and T20 on the Test game. I believe that 100% and you see it in Tests with how much more easily batsmen give their wickets away. Curiously, because this has been a rain-soaked Ashes, Sky has had to resort to a lot of filler, including in-depth interviews with Ashes captains (Atherton, Ponting, Hussein etc). They have been really good, quite honest and revealing. One of the questions that the interviewer, Charles Colville always asks, is whether it is harder to captain Test, ODI or T20 and I think the majority said the shorter the game, the harder it was!

[Mibbes Aye]

Two quick (honest) final points.

Someone earlier in the thread was talking about the shambolic nature of the England top order. I agree and have said so a few times. Curiously, the Australian top three have been pretty awful on tour too. I guess everyone knows Warner is world-class but is out of form, Bancroft and Harris are relatively young and can potentially develop into world-class openers. Pound for pound the teams probably aren't too far apart but England do seem more worrying.

Second point, my pick of today and likely the whole series. This Test is at Headingley, which along with Edgbaston is what could euphemistically be called an 'atmospheric' stadium, or at least each has a stand that is 'special'.

Having had the pleasure of being in the Headingley Western Terrace during a weekend against the Windies, i can confidently say it is a febrile pit of drunkenness, shenanigans, other dubious behaviours and fancy dress. And it doesn't improve after lunchtime.

A regular occurrence is the inflating of beach balls which get punted around the stand, with cheers when they hit someone on the back of the head just as he is lifting his pint to his mouth and boos when the balls stray out of the stand onto the pitch. This is because the stewards grab the beach balls, take them back to their stools and deflate them, much to the chagrin of the fans.

Anyway, late on and a huge watermelon-style beach ball is doing the rounds and inevitably ends up encroaching on the pitch. The steward gathers it up and starts walking to his station to deflate it to the anger of the crowd. But it is between deliveries and Jofra Archer is fielding in the deep just in front of the Western Terrace. He strides over to the steward, has a quick word and seizes the beach ball and throws it back into the Terrace, cue mass adulation.

I'm guessing, freeman of Leeds, BBC Sports Personality of the Year, knighthood, Papal Nuncio, before the year is out.

[lord bunberry]

The lead now 338, Australia are 226/8. Labuschagne still there on 78 having taken a ball on the face guard.

[lord bunberry]

Labuschagne run out for 80.

[lord bunberry]

Australia all out for 246, England need 359 to save the Ashes.

[lord bunberry]

England need a Boycottesque innings from one of the openers to have any chance. If at least one of them doesn’t hang around they’ve got no chance.

[lord bunberry]

Burns goes for 7. I suspect this might be over by the time I get back from the game.

[Pretty Boy]

No wicket alerts on my phone for the entire 1st half. Seems Root and Denly have steadied the ship a bit.

[JeMeSouviens]

On the Western Terrace - these boys (and girls) can properly drink. I expected some barmy army stuff but practically everyone was on it from entering the ground before 11 to leaving at half 7!

At one point a couple of inflatable sheep came bouncing around the terrace followed 10 minutes later by a 6’2” Bo Peep with a beard :greengrin

[Pretty Boy]

If they can keep this partnership together can they do it?

The ball seems to have died.

[Mibbes Aye]

On the Western Terrace - these boys (and girls) can properly drink. I expected some barmy army stuff but practically everyone was on it from entering the ground before 11 to leaving at half 7!

At one point a couple of inflatable sheep came bouncing around the terrace followed 10 minutes later by a 6’2” Bo Peep with a beard :greengrin

Are you there JMS? It’s some place at the best of times but the evening session on a Saturday is usually rampant!

[JeMeSouviens]

If they can keep this partnership together can they do it?

The ball seems to have died.

They get a new ball after 80 overs. I’d say it’s gone from nearly impossible at the start of England’s second innings to very unlikely now.

[JeMeSouviens]

Are you there JMS? It’s some place at the best of times but the evening session on a Saturday is usually rampant!

No, we were just there for the Super Jofra show on Thursday.

[Mibbes Aye]

No, we were just there for the Super Jofra show on Thursday.

Ah ok, sounds like you would have had an exciting day’s play though, which is great. Hope you had a good time.

[Mibbes Aye]

They get a new ball after 80 overs. I’d say it’s gone from nearly impossible at the start of England’s second innings to very unlikely now.

:agree:

I will probably post a bit later, but not a massive post I promise! But yes, refreshed Australian quicks with a new ball and the ever reliable Nathan Lyon holding down an end means this should be beyond England by a long chalk. As Boycott is fond of pointing out, wickets come in twos very often and a couple of quick wickets for Australia opens things up a bit. If either of the putative keepers go, then it is into the tailenders.

[K-Zazu]

Cmon joe root make history

[Mibbes Aye]

What a fine stand from Root and Denly!

There is a lot of talk about how T20 and ODI and the coming 100 series will affect things in Test cricket. Batsmen not having the patience, bowlers losing the sense of working out a batsman. I think that’s true and something that needs worked out.

Today was lovely cricket. The Australian bowlers nagged and pulled but didn’t quite get what they were seeking. England , Root in particular, played good Test cricket, patient but positive when it was available.

Tomorrow the Australian quicks will be rested and fresh and have the new ball quickly. Lyon will have a turning pitch that still offers bounce. It should be done before tea, but if England are strong then game on!....

[JeMeSouviens]

Ah ok, sounds like you would have had an exciting day’s play though, which is great. Hope you had a good time.

Great day out, we’ll definitely be back.

[hibee62]

Alright, own up... who’s the hibby distracting stokes?

[Pretty Boy]

It must (almost) be on now. 121 needed.

[lord bunberry]

It must (almost) be on now. 121 needed.
It’s certainly on a knife edge. Bairstow has gone now they need 114 to win.

[lord bunberry]

That’s the last thing they needed to be doing. Butler run out after a mix up with Stokes.

[lord bunberry]

The target now under 100, 98 runs to win. Stokes on 51.

[hibee62]

2 extremely avoidable wickets today that have undone all the hard work I’m afraid... only a matter of time now.

[Pretty Boy]

Fat lady clearing her throat. Bit of a collapse after lunch.

[heretoday]

What came over Archer to start batting like that? Ridiculous.

[bawheid]

Some innings this from Stokes, whatever happens.

[Pretty Boy]

Some innings this from Stokes, whatever happens.

If he pulls this off, and it's a huge IF, coupled with the WC he'd be a shoo in for SPOTY.

[HH81]

This is class from Stokes. Why when living in Yorkshire did I not get a ticket for this!

[marinello59]

Test cricket is so boring.:greengrin

[Pretty Boy]

21 needed!

[JeMeSouviens]

Some innings this from Stokes, whatever happens.

Statue outside Headingley. Win or lose!

[bawheid]

The way he’s just played that over from Hazlewood was just sheer brilliance! Doesn’t deserve to be on the losing side.

[BigKev]

Nerve wracking stuff!

[HH81]

17 needed.

[bawheid]

Dropped him.

[pontius pilate]

9 needed what a teat match this is amazing stokes again dragging england through

[Pretty Boy]

Single figures. This is unbelievable.

One bad shot or a couple of good ones could decide 5 days of cricket.

[HH81]

Would have been funny to see leach hit two fours 😁

[Radium]

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[Pretty Boy]

Aussies may have quite literally just thrown this away.

[Pretty Boy]

Tied it. One to win.

[heretoday]

The Ashes are still on the go.

[marinello59]

Wow!!!!!!!!!

[pontius pilate]

Theres the spoty right there gents wonder what the odds are

Edit the odds on ben stokes for spoty 1/3

[Pretty Boy]

Game over. Take a bow Stokes.

Well done England, great 2nd innings from a fair few players.

[bawheid]

Absolutely incredible. Incredible.

[BigKev]

Test match cricket is sooooo boring....

Unbelievable innings. Take a bow Stokes

[JeMeSouviens]

**** me

[Northernhibee]

That’s one of the all time great innings from Stokes. That game was lost, dead and buried.

[Sergey]

An unforgettable sporting moment. Up there with the very best innings ever played.

[BigKev]

That’s one of the all time great innings from Stokes. That game was lost, dead and buried.

Absolutely.

Won England the WC and has dragged them right back into this series. Remarkable player.

[Northernhibee]

Absolutely.

Won England the WC and has dragged them right back into this series. Remarkable player.

Jofra Archer too. His contribution in the first innings looked wasted but also kept it salvageable too.

[Jonnyboy]

Oodles of exuberance but no pitch invasion 😂

[HH81]

Get in there. Class.

[BigKev]

Stroke of luck with the Aussies wasting that review in the second last over. They'll be kicking themselves now.

[hibee62]

Wow

[weecounty hibby]

Unbe****inlievable. Most amazing batting performance I've ever seen and I can remember Botham in 81. Wow, just wow

[BroxburnHibee]

Stunning performance. All to play for now.

[Mibbes Aye]

I will probably post some ramblings later on but just wanted to comment now.

I know this thread has a fair few cricket aficionados but probably gets a glimpse from folk who aren’t fans and are maybe just curious.

Ben Stokes (and England) will be lucky if he ever outdoes that innings, he was sensational. I think he can outdo it because he is a tremendous athlete and utterly focused on self-improvement but that was a masterclass.

Truly world-class cricket and Stokes’ innings will be added to the annals of Ashes history for this one.

And yeah, just to pick up on other posters’ comments, how dull is Test match cricket? :greengrin

[Stonewall]

Unbe****inlievable. Most amazing batting performance I've ever seen and I can remember Botham in 81. Wow, just wow

Absolutely extraordinary performance from Stokes. Umpire bottled that lbw at the end though.

This just papers over the cracks though and England still have to make changes for the next test. An occasion for changing a winning team I think.

[Mibbes Aye]

I’m an Aussie fan as I learnt to love the game when travelling there, so I was hoping for the tourists to win, retain the Ashes, and set up a 4-0 victory as per Glenn McGrath’s direction :greengrin

Mrs Mibbes leans more towards England. She is delighted as we have the first four days at the next Test at Old Trafford. I was happy with a dead rubber, England maybe experimenting, Australia probably sticking in order to win the series, so all their top players on show.

It sets up Manchester as a thriller. With one Test lost to a draw, the Australians still only need one victory to retain the urn. England can now win the series with a victory and a draw at Old Trafford and The Oval. And curiously and unusually, the tie was a potential outcome in this match, doesn’t happen very often.

[BroxburnHibee]

I still think the Aussies will win unless Smith is ruled out.

Stokes really should've been out let's not forget.

Umpire bottled it.

[marinello59]

I still think the Aussies will win unless Smith is ruled out.

Stokes really should've been out let's not forget.

Umpire bottled it.

The umpire didn’t bottle it, he got it wrong. Given the speed that top class cricket is played at and the narrow margins they have to deal with they do a remarkable job.
Australia messed up by wasting their last review.

[Mibbes Aye]

The umpire didn’t bottle it, he got it wrong. Given the speed that top class cricket is played at and the narrow margins they have to deal with they do a remarkable job.
Australia messed up by wasting their last review.

Couldn’t agree more.

I think the first Test highlighted a lot of umpiring mistakes but probably also illustrated that these are the exception.

Cricket umpires at Test level are well-monitored and almost always call it spot-on.

My one gripe with DRS is umpire’s call. If the ball is clipping the top of off-stump, then it is clipping the top of off-stump!

[Radium]

https://www.ecb.co.uk/video/1325876/stokes-century-leads-england-to-sensational-victory-highlights-third-specsavers-ashes-test-day-4?latest=yes&title=Latest%20Videos

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[lord bunberry]

Will the Aussies consider changing captain halfway through an ashes series? Tim Paine has had a shocker today and he’s done nothing with the bat all series. That review at the end could easily cost him his job.

[Mibbes Aye]

Will the Aussies consider changing captain halfway through an ashes series? Tim Paine has had a shocker today and he’s done nothing with the bat all series. That review at the end could easily cost him his job.

Ooh, controversial but a good post!

I can’t see Australia sacking him, it doesn’t feel like their style. Unless they lose the series they retain the Ashes and they are still in the box seat to win the series for the first time in England since 2001.

I can’t remember who they named as vice captains- Head and Cummins? I would always go with a batter who can field in the slips or at worst, mid-off, as skipper. Not sure Head is ready yet.

But Smith and Warner are already de facto captains on the field. I guess it just depends on whether opinion is right to give one of them that reward?

[Stonewall]

Couldn’t agree more.

I think the first Test highlighted a lot of umpiring mistakes but probably also illustrated that these are the exception.

Cricket umpires at Test level are well-monitored and almost always call it spot-on.

My one gripe with DRS is umpire’s call. If the ball is clipping the top of off-stump, then it is clipping the top of off-stump!

The umpires call is a bit of a strange one but I kind of understand it as the system is there to correct clear umpiring errors.

When you see the way the technology is applied in football where it takes an age and umpteen re-runs to detect someone is a centimetre offside, or the keeper has one foot marginally infront of the line at a penalty then I think it is justifiable.

[lord bunberry]

Ooh, controversial but a good post!

I can’t see Australia sacking him, it doesn’t feel like their style. Unless they lose the series they retain the Ashes and they are still in the box seat to win the series for the first time in England since 2001.

I can’t remember who they named as vice captains- Head and Cummins? I would always go with a batter who can field in the slips or at worst, mid-off, as skipper. Not sure Head is ready yet.

But Smith and Warner are already de facto captains on the field. I guess it just depends on whether opinion is right to give one of them that reward?
I get the feeling it will go back to Smith, but I also don’t think it will happen during the series. Two huge tests for Paine coming up as he’s been a back seat driver so far.

[ACLeith]

Was out today and watching the BBC text feed. Was with an England fan whose emotions ran the whole spread from bottom to top. Plus some folk who really think Cricket is totally BORING 😱

Saying to the sceptics that Stokes' innings sounded one if the greatest ever played left them cold - bunch of Philistines.

Was more nerve wracking relying on that feed and now looking forward to seeing the highlights.

Cricket the winner, whatever the result was

[Sergey]

I listened to TMS (I don't have SKY - never have and never will) and it was something that Marconi would have been proud of. It was right up there with the best broadcasts and I was absolutely gripped...more-so as I had a fairly large bet laying England on the exchanges since the start of the test that I managed to trade out for a decent profit when England needed 20 odd to win. I tried to hold firm to maximise the return...but I had a gut feeling and took a profit.

Watched the highlights on C5 and Lyon will live with that run-out for the rest of his life. Just shows what pressure can do.

Stokes' innings...even on the highlights, was nothing short of spectacular. It will forever be written into the record books and so will the single that Leach scored.

I still think Oz will win the series, especially if Smith is recalled. I think it's time to pull a favour from a contact for tickets to the KIA Oval for the final test :agree:

[Stonewall]

I listened to TMS (I don't have SKY - never have and never will) and it was something that Marconi would have been proud of. It was right up there with the best broadcasts and I was absolutely gripped...more-so as I had a fairly large bet laying England on the exchanges since the start of the test that I managed to trade out for a decent profit when England needed 20 odd to win. I tried to hold firm to maximise the return...but I had a gut feeling and took a profit.

Watched the highlights on C5 and Lyon will live with that run-out for the rest of his life. Just shows what pressure can do.

Stokes' innings...even on the highlights, was nothing short of spectacular. It will forever be written into the record books and so will the single that Leach scored.

I still think Oz will win the series, especially if Smith is recalled. I think it's time to pull a favour from a contact for tickets to the KIA Oval for the final test :agree:

Like you I listened to TMS and then watched the highlights and found the whole thing extraordinary. A perfect illustration of why sport is great.

i really can’t call this as both teams have strong bowling units allied to fallible batting line ups.

i’m going To see if I can get to Old Trafford for the next test, at least for day four or five if it goes that far.

I think England will use this result as an excuse to only tamper with the team and if Smith plays I think it’s advantage Australia.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I just watched the day 4 highlights on ch5 without knowing the outcome, tears streaming down my face for some reason, what a man Stokes is. Who else would you want in your team that works/tries harder? Quite magnificent entertainment. Leach's effort should not go unnoticed either. Wow! What would you have given to be there? Amazing!

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Sport is a strange beast, crowd reactions at certain moments are capable of giving you a strange lift. The collective reactions to certain events in a particular moment are instantly recognisable as being out of the ordinary and are why sport, whichever one it may be, is such a joy to watch.

[Hibernia&Alba]

How did England manage that, after being bowled out for 67 in the first innings? Great fightback there. I wonder what price they were to win after that 67?

[Sergey]

5 Live Sports Extra are rerunning the last hour of play this morning. I've just listened to it again and it is commentary at its very finest. Poor Glenn McGrath - His reaction to the not-out LBW is fantastic.

[JimBHibees]

5 Live Sports Extra are rerunning the last hour of play this morning. I've just listened to it again and it is commentary at its very finest. Poor Glenn McGrath - His reaction to the not-out LBW is fantastic.

Was listening to that on the drive to work it was brilliant and as you say McGraths reaction is superb. "that wasn't a bad decision it was a horrible one". :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

I just watched the day 4 highlights on ch5 without knowing the outcome, tears streaming down my face for some reason, what a man Stokes is. Who else would you want in your team that works/tries harder? Quite magnificent entertainment. Leach's effort should not go unnoticed either. Wow! What would you have given to be there? Amazing!

He did well when he was batting but got away with one big time when he should have got run out only for Lyon to fumble the ball. Very lucky man IMO.

Sport at its best.

[JeMeSouviens]

There's something pleasantly familiar about the redemption story of a guy called Stokes producing a historic matchwinning triumph. :not worth

[K-Zazu]

Anderson out for the rest of the Ashes. Roy for some reason still hasn’t been dropped

[Mibbes Aye]

Anderson out for the rest of the Ashes. Roy for some reason still hasn’t been dropped

I think the paucity of options for England sits behind that. However I would not be surprised to see a reshuffle of the order with Denly or at a real push Bairstow or even Stokes pushed up, with Roy dropping down.

England have been fairly steady in selection, with a little shift of Buttler here and Stokes there and tweaks to the bowling but it feels like a tipping point just now.

[K-Zazu]

The biggest cricketer I’ve ever seen playing test cricket currently bowling for the West Indies.

[K-Zazu]

https://mobile.twitter.com/crickshouts/status/1167463410054914049

[Mibbes Aye]

The biggest cricketer I’ve ever seen playing test cricket currently bowling for the West Indies.

I’m on holiday so I saw the start of the series against India but lost track of it.

My word he is a big laddie. And a spinner as well, it will be fascinating to see what he can do given his height! His first class figures are on point and he is young. Looking forward to seeing how he gets on at Test level.

[hibee62]

I think the paucity of options for England sits behind that. However I would not be surprised to see a reshuffle of the order with Denly or at a real push Bairstow or even Stokes pushed up, with Roy dropping down.

England have been fairly steady in selection, with a little shift of Buttler here and Stokes there and tweaks to the bowling but it feels like a tipping point just now.

The suggestion last night was that Denly will open with Roy at 4. Makes some sense but I’d be concerned about Roy’s confidence given his form at opener. I also don’t think he has a great first class record in the middle order for Surrey, could there be a risk that they will damage one of their best white ball players by trying to shoehorn him into a test place?

[Mibbes Aye]

The suggestion last night was that Denly will open with Roy at 4. Makes some sense but I’d be concerned about Roy’s confidence given his form at opener. I also don’t think he has a great first class record in the middle order for Surrey, could there be a risk that they will damage one of their best white ball players by trying to shoehorn him into a test place?

Yes, I think England are succumbing to that almost inevitable desire to tinker without a long-term strategy in place.

At least Root had a decent knock at three last time out, which shows he can do it (not least to himself). If he anchors that spot then it gives England a bit more flex in the middle order.

[JeMeSouviens]

Yes, I think England are succumbing to that almost inevitable desire to tinker without a long-term strategy in place.

At least Root had a decent knock at three last time out, which shows he can do it (not least to himself). If he anchors that spot then it gives England a bit more flex in the middle order.

Let's face it, numbers 1-5 can all effectively be considered openers for England at the moment, :greengrin

I think losing Jimmy for the last 2 tests is a big blow for England. With Smith back, and Labuschagne playing almost as doggedly, Australia will be a lot more solid batting wise. Old Trafford seems likely to hinge on whether the England batting unit of the Headingley first innings or the second turns up. You'd think they've shown themselves that they can bat in a proper test match style but ...

I think the Aussies will have psychologically regrouped. If it wasn't for a miraculous Stokes, some woeful umpiring and them shooting themselves in the foot with the wasted review and run out all going against them they'd have won. The stars aligned for England at Leeds but Aussies are usually fiendish competitors.

So, I'm going for an Aussie victory and the Ashes retained. Should be another great match anyway.

[Mibbes Aye]

Let's face it, numbers 1-5 can all effectively be considered openers for England at the moment, :greengrin

I think losing Jimmy for the last 2 tests is a big blow for England. With Smith back, and Labuschagne playing almost as doggedly, Australia will be a lot more solid batting wise. Old Trafford seems likely to hinge on whether the England batting unit of the Headingley first innings or the second turns up. You'd think they've shown themselves that they can bat in a proper test match style but ...

I think the Aussies will have psychologically regrouped. If it wasn't for a miraculous Stokes, some woeful umpiring and them shooting themselves in the foot with the wasted review and run out all going against them they'd have won. The stars aligned for England at Leeds but Aussies are usually fiendish competitors.

So, I'm going for an Aussie victory and the Ashes retained. Should be another great match anyway.

Good summary and I think it will be an Aussie win too.

I have tickets for days one to four but having been inadvertently stranded in Venice until Wednesday I am now trying to decide whether it is more practical to go straight to Old Trafford from here.

First world problems, I know.......

[JeMeSouviens]

The suggestion last night was that Denly will open with Roy at 4. Makes some sense but I’d be concerned about Roy’s confidence given his form at opener. I also don’t think he has a great first class record in the middle order for Surrey, could there be a risk that they will damage one of their best white ball players by trying to shoehorn him into a test place?

Joe Denly confirms on the BBC, he's been asked to open with Burns and Roy moves to #4.

[JeMeSouviens]

Good summary and I think it will be an Aussie win too.

I have tickets for days one to four but having been inadvertently stranded in Venice until Wednesday I am now trying to decide whether it is more practical to go straight to Old Trafford from here.

First world problems, I know.......

There are definitely worse places to be stranded! :greengrin

[JeMeSouviens]

England - as expected Denly and Roy swap and Overton comes in for Woakes who's had a disappointing series.

Rory Burns, Joe Denly, Joe Root (c), Jason Roy, Ben Stokes, Jonny Bairstow (wk), Jos Buttler, Craig Overton, Jofra Archer, Stuart Broad, Jack Leach.

[JeMeSouviens]

Australia - Khawaja and Pattinson dropped, Smith back and Starc is in the 12. So it's from:

David Warner, Marcus Harris, Marnus Labuschagne, Steve Smith, Travis Head, Matt Wade, Tim Paine (c, wk), Pat Cummins, Peter Siddle, Mitchell Starc, Nathan Lyon, Josh Hazlewood.

I guess the last place will be between Starc and Siddle?

[Mibbes Aye]

Australia - Khawaja and Pattinson dropped, Smith back and Starc is in the 12. So it's from:

David Warner, Marcus Harris, Marnus Labuschagne, Steve Smith, Travis Head, Matt Wade, Tim Paine (c, wk), Pat Cummins, Peter Siddle, Mitchell Starc, Nathan Lyon, Josh Hazlewood.

I guess the last place will be between Starc and Siddle?

I think it will be and I think Starc will get the nod. Pattinson hasn’t done anything wrong but he is rebuilding his career after awful injury, a bit like Cummins a while back, so rotation of the bowlers makes perfect sense. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Siddle return at The Oval though - I guess a lot depends on the outcome of this Test. England can’t lose either of the two final matches and in fact, even drawing them both will see Australia retain the urn.

Having called repeatedly for Khawaja to be dropped I now feel a bit guilty but he simply doesn’t perform at first drop. His batting average is reasonable but that is skewed by him being strong on home pitches and poor on tour, especially in English conditions. I’m hoping Labuschagne can continue his form and while the forecast is for overcast weather, the pitch looks batting-friendly.

Overton has had a good summer with the red ball but I think he has been playing almost exclusively T20 for the last five or six weeks. You’re right about Woakes being disappointing. I’m not convinced he is fully fit.

[K-Zazu]

Bad weather forecast?

[Stonewall]

I think it will be and I think Starc will get the nod. Pattinson hasn’t done anything wrong but he is rebuilding his career after awful injury, a bit like Cummins a while back, so rotation of the bowlers makes perfect sense. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Siddle return at The Oval though - I guess a lot depends on the outcome of this Test. England can’t lose either of the two final matches and in fact, even drawing them both will see Australia retain the urn.

Having called repeatedly for Khawaja to be dropped I now feel a bit guilty but he simply doesn’t perform at first drop. His batting average is reasonable but that is skewed by him being strong on home pitches and poor on tour, especially in English conditions. I’m hoping Labuschagne can continue his form and while the forecast is for overcast weather, the pitch looks batting-friendly.

Overton has had a good summer with the red ball but I think he has been playing almost exclusively T20 for the last five or six weeks. You’re right about Woakes being disappointing. I’m not convinced he is fully fit.

i think Woakes has an ongoing knee problem which is monitored on an ongoing basis.

i still think England are ignoring the deficiencies in their batting and that the amazing win last time out has given them the excuse to not make changes.

I was thinking about the lbw not given at the end of the Headingly test. I think it’s fairly conclusive that video reviews have meant that umpires are far more inclined to give lbw decisions that they would never have given before the review system in the knowledge that the review system was in operation.

Having done a fair amount of umpiring myself the only doubt about the Stokes’s decision was that his front pad was moving to leg at the same time contact was made thus creating some doubt. Knowing that, would the sensible umpiring decision not have benn to give him out knowing that England have a review and if so is it right that the presence of video review dictates an umpire’s decision.

[lord bunberry]

i think Woakes has an ongoing knee problem which is monitored on an ongoing basis.

i still think England are ignoring the deficiencies in their batting and that the amazing win last time out has given them the excuse to not make changes.

I was thinking about the lbw not given at the end of the Headingly test. I think it’s fairly conclusive that video reviews have meant that umpires are far more inclined to give lbw decisions that they would never have given before the review system in the knowledge that the review system was in operation.

Having done a fair amount of umpiring myself the only doubt about the Stokes’s decision was that his front pad was moving to leg at the same time contact was made thus creating some doubt. Knowing that, would the sensible umpiring decision not have benn to give him out knowing that England have a review and if so is it right that the presence of video review dictates an umpire’s decision.
The ball did seem to make 2 movements as it passed the bat and that might have influenced the decision. Like you say the review system must have a bearing on the decisions they make.

[Mibbes Aye]

i think Woakes has an ongoing knee problem which is monitored on an ongoing basis.

i still think England are ignoring the deficiencies in their batting and that the amazing win last time out has given them the excuse to not make changes.

I was thinking about the lbw not given at the end of the Headingly test. I think it’s fairly conclusive that video reviews have meant that umpires are far more inclined to give lbw decisions that they would never have given before the review system in the knowledge that the review system was in operation.

Having done a fair amount of umpiring myself the only doubt about the Stokes’s decision was that his front pad was moving to leg at the same time contact was made thus creating some doubt. Knowing that, would the sensible umpiring decision not have benn to give him out knowing that England have a review and if so is it right that the presence of video review dictates an umpire’s decision.

I have never umpired but I have refereed youth football and that was stressful enough! Good to read your view on Stokes, thank you for sharing.

I think you are right about the batting order. It simply isn’t right. I’m not convinced about Burns, not convinced about moving Denly up. We have no idea whether Roy can bat at four in red-ball. Bairstow and Buttler can be explosive, dynamic batsmen in the shorter format but haven’t had a great Test series to say the least. Woakes and Curran are tailenders who can bat but neither are playing in Manchester.

On the plus side, Root had a decent knock at three and that hopefully boosts his confidence in the role. There really isn’t anyone else suited for the slot IMO. It’s interesting that Khawaja, who I am very critical of, would stroll into the England team at first drop based on his stats!

As things stand, it is hard to see Australia not retaining the Ashes. Two draws or a win seals it. They have the return to their side of the best batsman on the planet (assuming he is psyched up to deal with Archer), along with Marnus Labuschagne bidding to secure a regular place, Harris too, and Warner looking like he is rediscovering his form. And a pace attack that is simply on point, backed up by the reliable Nathan Lyon.

For England, so much depends on Overton stepping up. If England had Anderson then it would be a formidable attack, with him and Broad opening, and then Archer coming in. Overton is disciplined but doesn’t carry the same threat as Anderson, meaning there is more pressure on Broad and Archer to make the breakthroughs.

[lord bunberry]

I have never umpired but I have refereed youth football and that was stressful enough! Good to read your view on Stokes, thank you for sharing.

I think you are right about the batting order. It simply isn’t right. I’m not convinced about Burns, not convinced about moving Denly up. We have no idea whether Roy can bat at four in red-ball. Bairstow and Buttler can be explosive, dynamic batsmen in the shorter format but haven’t had a great Test series to say the least. Woakes and Curran are tailenders who can bat but neither are playing in Manchester.

On the plus side, Root had a decent knock at three and that hopefully boosts his confidence in the role. There really isn’t anyone else suited for the slot IMO. It’s interesting that Khawaja, who I am very critical of, would stroll into the England team at first drop based on his stats!

As things stand, it is hard to see Australia not retaining the Ashes. Two draws or a win seals it. They have the return to their side of the best batsman on the planet (assuming he is psyched up to deal with Archer), along with Marnus Labuschagne bidding to secure a regular place, Harris too, and Warner looking like he is rediscovering his form. And a pace attack that is simply on point, backed up by the reliable Nathan Lyon.

For England, so much depends on Overton stepping up. If England had Anderson then it would be a formidable attack, with him and Broad opening, and then Archer coming in. Overton is disciplined but doesn’t carry the same threat as Anderson, meaning there is more pressure on Broad and Archer to make the breakthroughs.
You’ forgetting about superman Stokes :greengrin joking aside it could work well for England to move Roy down the order as there’s no doubting his talent with the bat. Denly and Burns opening seems like a good partnership to me as neither looks to score quickly. As always the toss will be vital, but if England’s openers can hang around they’ve got a chance. I really hope Starc makes the line up as him and Cummings together are the most formidable attack around today.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

England off to a flier!

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Broad takes Warner's wicket once again. 1-1.

[Mibbes Aye]

So I thought I would just share how much of a numpty I am.

i have said on here a couple of times that I have tickets for days one to four at OT. It was Mrs Mibbes who booked them ( she does a lot of our booking because she enjoys it and is very good at sourcing good deals).

Anyway, I assumed play started on the Thursday as is traditional. We are in Venice just now, we were meant to fly back home on Sunday but some shenanigans with French air traffic control meant our flight was rescheduled to today.

Despite several conversations with Mrs M and posting on here and reading various online news articles, it was only just before play started today that I realised the game was on!

She kept talking about Thursday to Sunday tickets, I assumed it was days one to four! Fortunately I have the Sky Go app so I’m about to fire that up as we are stuck in the Venetian equivalent of a hotel off junction 3 of the M8 until our airport transfer and then we are sitting in the airport for another five hours.

The way it all works out, we think we will make OT for the afternoon session tomorrow. I am not confident whether it will go to day five but it is Manchester so delays for rain seem utterly predictable!

[Mibbes Aye]

Broad takes Warner's wicket once again. 1-1.

I find it hard to like Broad and I don’t dislike Warner but there is something utterly compelling when a bowler is all over a batsmen. I remember Shane Warne and Daryl Cullinan and it was brutal, you wonder how the batsman ever regains full confidence.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

2nd wicket for Broad. 28-2.

[JeMeSouviens]

So I thought I would just share how much of a numpty I am.

i have said on here a couple of times that I have tickets for days one to four at OT. It was Mrs Mibbes who booked them ( she does a lot of our booking because she enjoys it and is very good at sourcing good deals).

Anyway, I assumed play started on the Thursday as is traditional. We are in Venice just now, we were meant to fly back home on Sunday but some shenanigans with French air traffic control meant our flight was rescheduled to today.

Despite several conversations with Mrs M and posting on here and reading various online news articles, it was only just before play started today that I realised the game was on!

She kept talking about Thursday to Sunday tickets, I assumed it was days one to four! Fortunately I have the Sky Go app so I’m about to fire that up as we are stuck in the Venetian equivalent of a hotel off junction 3 of the M8 until our airport transfer and then we are sitting in the airport for another five hours.

The way it all works out, we think we will make OT for the afternoon session tomorrow. I am not confident whether it will go to day five but it is Manchester so delays for rain seem utterly predictable!

:greengrin

Sunshine and showers for the next few days so there's bound to be some delays.

[JeMeSouviens]

2nd wicket for Broad. 28-2.

Smith/Labuschagne now in - the key partnership. England have to get them both out without big scores.

Notwithstanding the 2 early wickets, I think it was a good toss for Australia to win.

[JeMeSouviens]

Ooooh, Labuschagne survives an lbw review on umpire's call.

England really need something, Aussies going along sweetly at 72/2.

[Mibbes Aye]

So, Smith and Labuschagne stabilise things to an extent. I think Travis Head has runs in him and Matthew Wade is a player who has been on form and should be better than he has shown this series.

Paine is always capable of chucking thirty runs into the board and the bowlers, regardless of permutation, seem to have it in them to throw up thirty to fifty most times out.

A lot will depend on this current partnership. Labuschagne is being consistent but maybe hasn’t quite learned the patience required against Test-class seamers, though that should come.

Smith has wrested back the narrative from Stokes and Archer. I saw the first over against Jofra, where Labuschagne defended, then got a single, leaving Smith with potentially four balls to play. He seemed a little bit tentative but within an over or two he was knocking off boundaries with ease. It reminds me of a comment by Brian Johnson or John Arlott, in reference to Viv Richards, where they described him as hitting the bowler’s deliveries like a gent out for a walk in the country, scything the heads off dandelions with his walking stick.

I have genuinely never seen anyone so dominant on their leg side, it just feels like free runs.

I am curious about the future of Tim Paine. He has a hard act to follow in that Haddin, Gilchrist and Healy all scored runs for fun. And obviously it is incomparably cruel to compare anyone to Gilchrist, who basically rewrote the rules. Paine came in off the back of sandpaper-gate as skipper and was the right man for the moment.

His batting isn’t great though and in Alex Carey the Australians have a ready-made replacement who can make runs and is six or seven years younger. It also opens the door to Smith resuming the captaincy and there is a tactical advantage in the fielding skipper being in the slips.

We shall see, but with the likelihood that Australia retain the Ashes I can easily see Paine stepping aside after the series, potentially after the forthcoming Australian summer.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I know it can't be helped but all these weather stoppages really interfere with my concentration over the course of the day. 😠

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

3rd wicket down, 144-3, Smith still there though.

[Smiggy 7-0]

3rd wicket down, 144-3, Smith still there though.
Good, hopefully another ton plus.

[K-Zazu]

Why isn’t Archer bowling at 92-95mph anymore? Don’t get it

[Mibbes Aye]

Why isn’t Archer bowling at 92-95mph anymore? Don’t get it

I’m not sure he is getting the same speed from the different pitch. I also suspect strongly that he cannot physically bowl at that speed on a regular basis, especially given how many overs he was asked to bowl previously. If England have any chance of winning the Ashes, which means winning one Test and not losing the other then they desperately need to manage Archer’s workload, given they have lost Anderson.

[Mibbes Aye]

Delayed last night returning from Venice, had about two hours sleep in the Normandie Hotel in Renfrew and now in a taxi to Glasgow Central station. Should make it down to Manchester for the start of the afternoon session, Not been as rough as this since my teens! Looking forward to a bit of cricket but if play is delayed until mid afternoon I won’t be upset!

[JeMeSouviens]

I’m not sure he is getting the same speed from the different pitch. I also suspect strongly that he cannot physically bowl at that speed on a regular basis, especially given how many overs he was asked to bowl previously. If England have any chance of winning the Ashes, which means winning one Test and not losing the other then they desperately need to manage Archer’s workload, given they have lost Anderson.

:agree:

I think he might be still carrying an injury. He needed a painkilling injection to play in the world cup final and he missed the edgbaston test.

tbh, I think their chances of winning this one are minimal now. They really had to win the toss and bat well I think. Having lost the toss they had to have a stellar day yesterday which they didn't. If they can avoid defeat and keep it alive to the Oval they'll have done really well.

[JeMeSouviens]

Archer drops Smith c&b chance. Aw naw!

[Mibbes Aye]

Hah! Made it. I’ve had little sleep in the last three days and my body ABV count is probably enough to sterilise hospital equipment but I am now here. Conditions are beautiful. It is muggy, it is overcast and there is a decent breeze. James Anderson must be sick not to be bowling on his home ground.

[ACLeith]

Hah! Made it. I’ve had little sleep in the last three days and my body ABV count is probably enough to sterilise hospital equipment but I am now here. Conditions are beautiful. It is muggy, it is overcast and there is a decent breeze. James Anderson must be sick not to be bowling on his home ground.

Hope you're wearing a Hibs top so we can spot you

[G B Young]

Smith is extraordinary.

Am I right in thinking that if England don't win this Test that's the Ashes gone? If so, Smith will have all but won them on his own.

[JeMeSouviens]

Smith is extraordinary.

Am I right in thinking that if England don't win this Test that's the Ashes gone? If so, Smith will have all but won them on his own.

Not quite, a draw keeps the series 1-1 with one test match left at the Oval.

[G B Young]

Not quite, a draw keeps the series 1-1 with one test match left at the Oval.

Cheers, couldn't remember if this was the fourth or fifth Test. So an Australian win here seals the series. They must still be raging that they didn't manage to do so last time out and I guess it would be proof of their mettle if they can come back from that and still win the Ashes.

[Mibbes Aye]

Hope you're wearing a Hibs top so we can spot you

I was tempted but fate stepped in. I was in Verona at the weekend, flights got cancelled and I was stuck in Venice until yesterday so haven’t been home, just had to come to Manchester via Glasgow!

[JeMeSouviens]

I was tempted but fate stepped in. I was in Verona at the weekend, flights got cancelled and I was stuck in Venice until yesterday so haven’t been home, just had to come to Manchester via Glasgow!

In time to see Smith get his century. Well done! Enjoy (when the rain stops).

[Mibbes Aye]

Play back on, Smith in the nineties.

[Mibbes Aye]

In time to see Smith get his century. Well done! Enjoy (when the rain stops).

And cheers :-)

[ACLeith]

It's been clear throughout the series that there is mutual respect between the players. Ultra competitive pros showing that is a fine example to set to youngsters

[lord bunberry]

Another 100 for Smith, the guy is a machine.

[JeMeSouviens]

Another 100 for Smith, the guy is a machine.

Incredible! What a series he's having. :not worth

[Mibbes Aye]

It's been clear throughout the series that there is mutual respect between the players. Ultra competitive pros showing that is a fine example to set to youngsters

Agree with this one hundred percent.

Just sat back after lunch, will post thoughts later but Smith looks like he will continue to score as long as someone holds up the other end.

[ACLeith]

Agree with this one hundred percent.

Just sat back after lunch, will post thoughts later but Smith looks like he will continue to score as long as someone holds up the other end.

You've jinxed him !!!
EDIT or maybe not !!!!!!!!!!

[JeMeSouviens]

Smith caught ... off a no ball!

Drama :greengrin

[G B Young]

Smith caught ... off a no ball!

Drama :greengrin

You have to laugh at that :greengrin A pace bowler yes, but how can a spinner not keep his foot in play?

[lord bunberry]

Smith caught ... off a no ball!

Drama :greengrin
Unbelievable stuff.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

You have to laugh at that :greengrin A pace bowler yes, but how can a spinner not keep his foot in play?

Absolutely shocking! 😡

[JeMeSouviens]

Stokes off injured ... Smith about to get 150, Paine about to get 50.

Horror show for England.

[BroxburnHibee]

The comparisons with Bradman will continue to be raised.

Bradman wasnt a cheat though :greengrin

[Mibbes Aye]

The comparisons with Bradman will continue to be raised.

Bradman wasnt a cheat though :greengrin

Fair bit booing when Smith got his 50, 100 and 150.

He is simply sublime though. A few lovely boundaries but everything else seems to be a wee swipe off the pads and down the leg side for an easy single, plus some very good running to make the twos (which keeps him on strike).

[JeMeSouviens]

Smith gets out (to Joe Root of all people) for 211.

Starc has been battering it around, sure MA will be enjoying that. :wink:

Aussies 464/8. England will have to bat and bat to save this one. Can't say I rate their chances.

[ACLeith]

Smith gets out (to Joe Root of all people) for 211.

Starc has been battering it around, sure MA will be enjoying that. :wink:

Aussies 464/8. England will have to bat and bat to save this one. Can't say I rate their chances.

I'm sure you're right but who can be certain of anything this series? Having said that I might put £1 on Stokes to get a duck first time in

[Hibernia&Alba]

England might have to go bodyline against Smith :greengrin

[K-Zazu]

Archer must be injured. He is meant to be bowling faster he’s quite a young guy. Can’t see Ben Stokes saving England this time round. Aus bowling attack is simply too good.

[JeMeSouviens]

Raining. Great for England, bad for our man, Mibbes, who hopefully got a lie in today as compensation!

[Mibbes Aye]

Raining. Great for England, bad for our man, Mibbes, who hopefully got a lie in today as compensation!

Yes, not complaining about a bit of rest as yesterday was a taxing day on the beer front!

Great middle session yesterday as Australia just imposed themselves all over England.

Not gone to OT yet, it is only fifteen minutes away in an Uber but it is chucking it down here at the apartment.

[JeMeSouviens]

100 up for Eng and a half century for Burns who at least seems to have nailed down one of the opening spots.

Root seems a bit shaky but is hanging in.

102/2

[JeMeSouviens]

Tea - 125/2

Burns 62, Root 47. Just the nightwatchman Overton lost in that session. If they can do that again in the next session then they are in with a wee shout of saving this test.

[lord bunberry]

125/2 at the break. England would bite your hand off for a draw and a winner takes all showdown at the oval now.

[Mibbes Aye]

It has been a resilient session from Burns and Root.

Hazlewood and Cummins are bowling extremely well though and Lyon is only going to get more and more from this pitch

[JeMeSouviens]

As anybody watching or listening to this will know ... Nathan Lyon really, really needs a wicket. :wink::greengrin

[Mibbes Aye]

Hazlewood providing just what the Aussies needed with two quick wickets.

Now to see how the Roy displacement turns out....,.,

[Mibbes Aye]

Not so good as it turned out

[Mibbes Aye]

And so today ends. Bad light stopped play and I understand Tim Paine was furious because the umpires had offered to let him play spinners at both ends before ruling it out, and this following in from Hazlewood being on fire. He finished up on 4-48 with an average of just over two an over. He really is the successor to Glenn McGrath when it comes to Ashes tours and while no one is likely to ever outdo Glenn, Hazlewood is utterly compelling to watch in having that similar command of line and length, just clipping the top of off stump, over and over and over again.

Lyon bowled a lot of overs and it is just not happening for him. While I love cricket I do not confess to be an expert, especially on bowling, but I thought his length was maybe just a touch short, though his economy rate was alright. I fully expect him to produce the goods tomorrow as the pitch was offering him a lot. Pat Cummins was exemplary especially either side of tea and was also bowling ridiculously tight overs. Funnily enough, the discussion about a potential Paine succession that I floated on here on Wednesday was replicated in the Guardian’s live updates thread today. Pat Cummins was being touted although there is a certain amount of orthodoxy and conservatism in cricket that says the skipper should be a batsman who fields in the slips.

As for England, Burns and Root were patient and had started building a very successful partnership before Josh Hazlewood broke through. They bo5h, along with Stokes and Roy, produced some lovely shots and I think this is a pitch that still offers something for everyone, although it is shifting to the bowlers for sure.

Day three ended with Australia definitely in the driving seat. Two clear days of weather predicted, their seamers bowling very well, and a pitch that is only going to increasingly suit Gazza. I think I am going to be present to see the Australians retain the Ashes on English soil for the first time since 2001.

What was quite funny was that despite Australia’s unhappiness at the bad light call, within minutes of stumps it was raining enough to ensure they would have had to go off. Manchester is a fascinating weather climate. It always looks on the verge of chucking it down but has actually resisted it well over the last couple of days.

[lord bunberry]

And so today ends. Bad light stopped play and I understand Tim Paine was furious because the umpires had offered to let him play spinners at both ends before ruling it out, and this following in from Hazlewood being on fire. He finished up on 4-48 with an average of just over two an over. He really is the successor to Glenn McGrath when it comes to Ashes tours and while no one is likely to ever outdo Glenn, Hazlewood is utterly compelling to watch in having that similar command of line and length, just clipping the top of off stump, over and over and over again.

Lyon bowled a lot of overs and it is just not happening for him. While I love cricket I do not confess to be an expert, especially on bowling, but I thought his length was maybe just a touch short, though his economy rate was alright. I fully expect him to produce the goods tomorrow as the pitch was offering him a lot. Pat Cummins was exemplary especially either side of tea and was also bowling ridiculously tight overs. Funnily enough, the discussion about a potential Paine succession that I floated on here on Wednesday was replicated in the Guardian’s live updates thread today. Pat Cummins was being touted although there is a certain amount of orthodoxy and conservatism in cricket that says the skipper should be a batsman who fields in the slips.

As for England, Burns and Root were patient and had started building a very successful partnership before Josh Hazlewood broke through. They bo5h, along with Stokes and Roy, produced some lovely shots and I think this is a pitch that still offers something for everyone, although it is shifting to the bowlers for sure.

Day three ended with Australia definitely in the driving seat. Two clear days of weather predicted, their seamers bowling very well, and a pitch that is only going to increasingly suit Gazza. I think I am going to be present to see the Australians retain the Ashes on English soil for the first time since 2001.

What was quite funny was that despite Australia’s unhappiness at the bad light call, within minutes of stumps it was raining enough to ensure they would have had to go off. Manchester is a fascinating weather climate. It always looks on the verge of chucking it down but has actually resisted it well over the last couple of days.
Bold statement comparing Hazelwood to McGrath. He’s got a long way to go to reach those heights :greengrin

[Mibbes Aye]

Bold statement comparing Hazelwood to McGrath. He’s got a long way to go to reach those heights :greengrin

:greengrin

I didnt word it well. I don’t think anyone will equal McGrath but I think Hazlewood bowls in the same style and will find a lot of joy on English pitches. If he can stay fit and on form then he can probably manage another couple of Ashes visits to England and he will prosper. He has that nagging line and length that just draws batsmen out and the epitome of that style was the perfect GMcG. Hazlewood is unlikely to match GMcG in overall impact but he is a similar type of bowler and the closest Australia have had since Glenn retired.

[lord bunberry]

:greengrin

I didnt word it well. I don’t think anyone will equal McGrath but I think Hazlewood bowls in the same style and will find a lot of joy on English pitches. If he can stay fit and on form then he can probably manage another couple of Ashes visits to England and he will prosper. He has that nagging line and length that just draws batsmen out and the epitome of that style was the perfect GMcG. Hazlewood is unlikely to match GMcG in overall impact but he is a similar type of bowler and the closest Australia have had since Glenn retired.
I do agree and I was kidding a bit as I knew what you meant. One thing I would say is McGrath could do it anywhere in the world. He was the greatest fast bowler in my lifetime. When he got injured in the warm up in the great series in 2005 it was the difference between winning and losing.

[heretoday]

This game will be a draw.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

England in a mess once again, 256-8

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Broad gets Warner for a duck yet again!

[heretoday]

Smith is like a batsman from the great era of cricket facing inferior bowling from the present era of cricket.

[G B Young]

England 0 for 2. Ashes are all but gone.

[Smiggy 7-0]

England 0 for 2. Ashes are all but gone.
Here's hoping

[Sergey]

:greengrin

I didnt word it well. I don’t think anyone will equal McGrath but I think Hazlewood bowls in the same style and will find a lot of joy on English pitches. If he can stay fit and on form then he can probably manage another couple of Ashes visits to England and he will prosper. He has that nagging line and length that just draws batsmen out and the epitome of that style was the perfect GMcG. Hazlewood is unlikely to match GMcG in overall impact but he is a similar type of bowler and the closest Australia have had since Glenn retired.

I'll counter this - I think Hazlewood is the best Oz bowler I've seen. His consistent line and length is amazing and he's won this test for Australia.

Been travelling the last few days so been unable to converse - maybe a good summing-up post tomorrow :greengrin

[K-Zazu]

Smith and the Aussie bowlers are excellent. England have missed Anderson badly tho

[Mibbes Aye]

Well it was an extravaganza of Test cricket today! When an Ashes series is level going into game four, and you subsequently witness three innings during day four, you know there must be something tasty going on! More swings than a middling-to-large swing manufacturer’s.......

Starc bowled fantastically and took two critical wickets but Cummins and Hazlewood were also tremendous. I think what’s best is they all have different styles, as do Siddle and Pattinson. While Lyon isn’t taking wickets, he is maintaining a relatively decent economy rate. This means that after the new ball partnership, Lyon can hold down an end allowing the Aussies to rotate the three quicks at the other end, keeping them fresh and constantly challenging the English batsmen with their varying techniques.

Buttler did well early today, with the support of others to avoid the follow-on, though I think everyone would have been astonished had Paine sought it. It has very much gone out of trend unless the gap is absolutely massive. I think, might be wrong, that Australia set the tone for this under Steve Waugh, same as not playing a night watchman.

So, the second innings finished with a sizeable difference in scores. It felt blindingly obvious that if Australia could come out and flay England then they could quickly build up a big enough lead to look for a timely declaration. This would then allow their pace trio to exploit the Manchester pitch and weather to bowl their opponents out.

England, or rather, Broad and Archer had other ideas. Davey Warner once again succumbed to his nemesis, this has been a gripping personal duel. It is entirely psychological IMO. Broad is a world class bowler but Warner, even after the horrors of this series, still averages over 46 with the bat. Yet on this tour, Broad has had the sign over him. Warner is too good surely not to bounce back but this Ashes has been chastening for him.

Harris and Head also lost their wickets to particularly fine deliveries from the English opening duo, ramping up the atmosphere at Old Trafford and begging the question, what can Steve Smith do?

Well, it was a slow start and he went in at tea with a pedestrian 19 from 38 balls, but re-emerged with an obvious game plan that saw several scampish boundaries and some absolutely blistering pace running between the wickets. There was more than one occasion where he ran a second and was almost back at his end before his teammate had started back - okay, maybe a touch of hyperbole there but genuinely only a little.

Good support from Matt Wade and an uppening of the pace meant that when Smith finally went, it was for 82 from 92 IIRC. I think that is therefore his lowest score so far in this Ashes but probably the one that has finally swung it, as this performance combined with the last twenty minutes of today’s play almost inevitably have ensured an Australian win.

Tim Paine had a short and by his standards, flamboyant knock, just ensuring quick runs on the board to boost the Australian lead further. Then all of a sudden he was racing off the pitch, to leave England with a few difficult overs against Cummins and Hazlewood in muggy, overcast conditions.

I have bored everyone silly I’m sure with my praise for Pat Cummins but my word, he delivered for Australia, taking the wickets of Burns and Root in consecutive deliveries in the first over. Burns was stupid, playing wildly and coughing up a straightforward leading edge. Root was beaten by a classic, nicking the top of off stump. A hugely difficult task for England now becomes near-impossible.

Sunday brings a practically new ball, rested pacemen, a day five pitch and dry, muggy, overcast conditions. England will have to pull out all the stops to take anything from Old Trafford tomorrow and I really struggle to see it.

[ACLeith]

Butler and Overton battling really well until an unbelievable delivery from Hazlewood. Can't blame Butler for leaving it. Looks like just a matter of time now

[lord bunberry]

Leach goes only 1 wicket to go.

[lord bunberry]

Australia retain The ashes.

[ACLeith]

Great match!
Great series!
Two teams a credit to the sport
Great crowds
And not least, superb commentary that adds to the understanding of what was going on

And MA played his part as well

[Smiggy 7-0]

Congratulations Australia.

Hard match to win, but got there in the end.

Great Game

Great Crowd

Great result, on to the Oval and win the series too.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Congratulations to Australia on their series win. They've deserved it, with Steve Smith proving the difference.

[Mibbes Aye]

Great match!
Great series!
Two teams a credit to the sport
Great crowds
And not least, superb commentary that adds to the understanding of what was going on

And MA played his part as well

Thanks ACL, that’s kind, as were your previous comments.

What a scintillating day in what has been a tremendous series!

Australia retained the Ashes on English soil for the first time since 2001 but one should acknowledge the stubborn rearguard defence that England put up. And we still have the prospect of a Test at The Oval, very often the series finisher for teams touring England and very often a match that produces outstanding efforts, often by the unexpected.

I thought England battled well today in the face of excruciating pressure from the Australians. Roy and Denly have both had their struggles in this series and Denly probably hasn’t benefitted from being moved around to accommodate other players, but they managed to hang around a bit. The jury remains out on both. Denly has probably done enough to make the next series. The question is whether continuing to try to utilise Roy in a Test role might have a negative knock-on effect on his white ball game, which would be a disaster for England. I think either would find remedy in a big score at The Oval, even if that was only papering over some real selection cracks. By the same token, outside of the Indians, I don’t think Roy will face better Test bowlers.

Bairstow and Buttler also began to settle in to a degree though a reintroduced Starc took care of Bairstow. This saw Overton join Buttler at the crease and England started to steady themselves.

Paine was really shuffling the pack, bringing in both Labuschagne and Head and even switching Labuschagne’s end in short order. Head was very tidy, Labuschagne more expensive (more of him later) but it felt like they were giving Lyon a rest and the pacemen too, while the overs ran down to the new ball.

Curiously, Paine wasn’t that patient, as maybe, just maybe, it felt like England could string out a draw. Starc and Hazlewood both came in before the eightieth over and it wasn’t long before there was an impact.

Josh Hazlewood, in simply masterful pace bowling, drew Jos Buttler into expecting a short ball by sending a couple down and manipulating the field to make it look like a short one was on its way and then just clattering his off stump. If there were three stages to ensuring the Australian victory here in Manchester, the first was Smith’s innings, the second was Cummins’ two late wickets last night and the third was eliminating any chance of a draw with this exquisite delivery by Hazlewood.

The Old Trafford crowd had been fairly raucous to this point, and surprisingly more so than Saturday which is traditional ‘party day’. They stepped it up a bit now and really turned up the noise, not least when Palliyugurage took an age reviewing Overton for lbw. The TV shot made it look like it was bat onto pad but snicker was inconclusive and I think it genuinely had just moved through the air and hit pad first. He rock and rolled for around five minutes while a partisan crowd grew hugely angry and then he decided it was inconclusive. Then ball tracker showed it wouldn’t have been a wicket anyway!

It wasn’t much longer before things were wrapped up. Labuschagne, the unexpected star of the series grabbing the wicket of Leach and Hazlewood finishing things off.

So, all in all, a deserved Australian victory and retention of the Ashes in my opinion. England had their stellar moments but Australia were consistent, or more accurately Smith, Cummins and Hazlewood were consistent with cameos from Wade and Siddle and the unanticipated emergence of Labuschagne.

I agree with comments I read somewhere else today that it all reflects the fact that England prioritised the World Cup and Australia prioritised the Ashes. That seems fair.

Having said that, in a series with still a match to go, we have seen what was likely once-in-a-lifetime heroics from Ben Stokes.

And we have seen Steve Smith demonstrate he is simply on a different plane to his peers who are rightly to be considered elite sportsmen in any other sense.

And we have seen Paddy Cummins and Josh Hazlewood, two different bowlers who combine beautifully, showing they are one of the best opening attacks you could name - these guys hopefully have a good few years ahead of them and can really establish themselves in the pantheon of all-time best fast bowling pairs if they stay injury-free.

Gorgeous, sumptuous cricket to date, I am gutted there is only one Test left but so grateful for all we have been given so far!

[JeMeSouviens]

Thanks ACL, that’s kind, as were your previous comments.

What a scintillating day in what has been a tremendous series!

Australia retained the Ashes on English soil for the first time since 2001 but one should acknowledge the stubborn rearguard defence that England put up. And we still have the prospect of a Test at The Oval, very often the series finisher for teams touring England and very often a match that produces outstanding efforts, often by the unexpected.

I thought England battled well today in the face of excruciating pressure from the Australians. Roy and Denly have both had their struggles in this series and Denly probably hasn’t benefitted from being moved around to accommodate other players, but they managed to hang around a bit. The jury remains out on both. Denly has probably done enough to make the next series. The question is whether continuing to try to utilise Roy in a Test role might have a negative knock-on effect on his white ball game, which would be a disaster for England. I think either would find remedy in a big score at The Oval, even if that was only papering over some real selection cracks. By the same token, outside of the Indians, I don’t think Roy will face better Test bowlers.

Bairstow and Buttler also began to settle in to a degree though a reintroduced Starc took care of Bairstow. This saw Overton join Buttler at the crease and England started to steady themselves.

Paine was really shuffling the pack, bringing in both Labuschagne and Head and even switching Labuschagne’s end in short order. Head was very tidy, Labuschagne more expensive (more of him later) but it felt like they were giving Lyon a rest and the pacemen too, while the overs ran down to the new ball.

Curiously, Paine wasn’t that patient, as maybe, just maybe, it felt like England could string out a draw. Starc and Hazlewood both came in before the eightieth over and it wasn’t long before there was an impact.

Josh Hazlewood, in simply masterful pace bowling, drew Jos Buttler into expecting a short ball by sending a couple down and manipulating the field to make it look like a short one was on its way and then just clattering his off stump. If there were three stages to ensuring the Australian victory here in Manchester, the first was Smith’s innings, the second was Cummins’ two late wickets last night and the third was eliminating any chance of a draw with this exquisite delivery by Hazlewood.

The Old Trafford crowd had been fairly raucous to this point, and surprisingly more so than Saturday which is traditional ‘party day’. They stepped it up a bit now and really turned up the noise, not least when Palliyugurage took an age reviewing Overton for lbw. The TV shot made it look like it was bat onto pad but snicker was inconclusive and I think it genuinely had just moved through the air and hit pad first. He rock and rolled for around five minutes while a partisan crowd grew hugely angry and then he decided it was inconclusive. Then ball tracker showed it wouldn’t have been a wicket anyway!

It wasn’t much longer before things were wrapped up. Labuschagne, the unexpected star of the series grabbing the wicket of Leach and Hazlewood finishing things off.

So, all in all, a deserved Australian victory and retention of the Ashes in my opinion. England had their stellar moments but Australia were consistent, or more accurately Smith, Cummins and Hazlewood were consistent with cameos from Wade and Siddle and the unanticipated emergence of Labuschagne.

I agree with comments I read somewhere else today that it all reflects the fact that England prioritised the World Cup and Australia prioritised the Ashes. That seems fair.

Having said that, in a series with still a match to go, we have seen what was likely once-in-a-lifetime heroics from Ben Stokes.

And we have seen Steve Smith demonstrate he is simply on a different plane to his peers who are rightly to be considered elite sportsmen in any other sense.

And we have seen Paddy Cummins and Josh Hazlewood, two different bowlers who combine beautifully, showing they are one of the best opening attacks you could name - these guys hopefully have a good few years ahead of them and can really establish themselves in the pantheon of all-time best fast bowling pairs if they stay injury-free.

Gorgeous, sumptuous cricket to date, I am gutted there is only one Test left but so grateful for all we have been given so far!

Nicely summed up and thanks for all your reports, I've enjoyed reading them.

After the Headingley 2nd innings, it seems England are starting to rediscover the mindset of test match batting. I think they'd have had a slightly better chance at Old Trafford if they'd won the toss and batted but then again conditions on the first day were ripe for a collapse, unless your name's Steve Smith. Roy did a bit better at #4, I imagine they'll stick with that for the Oval, so he's at least got that one more chance to stake a claim.

It was a real pity that Anderson didn't get to bowl in this series. The match up between the master batsmen and the master bowler (in English conditions anyway) would've been great to see.

[JeMeSouviens]

So, last test at the Oval.

Aus have won the toss and put Eng in.

England have dropped Roy and Overton and brought in Sam Curran and recalled Woakes. The Aussies swap Siddle for Starc, Mitchell Marsh comes in and Travis Head drops out. I guess this might be a little anti-climactic after the last 2 nailbiting finishes.

[JeMeSouviens]

The highest opening partnership of the series - 27. :greengrin

Denly throws his wicket away after getting in in tricky conditions. A microcosm of recent England opening batting. :rolleyes:

27/1

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Root has now been dropped twice, he really has to capitalise now and go on to make a big score.

[JeMeSouviens]

Root has now been dropped twice, he really has to capitalise now and go on to make a big score.

:agree:

Burns doing well, 42 no.

Eng 86/1

Toss decision not looking well advised.

[JeMeSouviens]

Root dropped again!

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Burns out just short of a half century, Eng 107-2

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Stokes gone, 130-3

[JeMeSouviens]

169/3 at tea.

not out batsmen, Root a sketchy 57 and Bairstow 22

If England can get through the next session for the loss of 1 or 2 then a good day I think. But with this team a collapse is always on the cards ...

[JeMeSouviens]

Root out for 57. England really need someone to go on and make a big score here.

170/4

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

178-5

[JeMeSouviens]

The collapse is on :wink:

185/6

Edit: No it's not ... no ball. :greengrin

185/5

[ACLeith]

The collapse is on :wink:

185/6

Edit: No it's not ... no ball. :greengrin

185/5

Oh yes it is 🤡

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

269-8, new ball time.

[JeMeSouviens]

Buttler out for 70 trying for another heave. Surely he didn't have to be quite so gung-ho with Jack Leach going along fine at the other end?

294/9

Should Leach be promoted to (at least) number 8?

[JeMeSouviens]

Soon as I've finished typing, Leach plays on :greengrin

Eng all out for 294. Good fightback from Buttler/Leach but it should be a much, much bigger score.

[JeMeSouviens]

Shock! Warner out for 5 ... but not to Broad!!!!!

Super Jof on the board. Not long until the Steve Smith show now ...

5/1

[JeMeSouviens]

Well that's the openers out the way (speedily as usual). Harris out for 3.

14/2

Labuschagne/Smith now so don't expect any updates until after lunch ...

[JeMeSouviens]

Labuschagne out for 48.

83/3, Super Jof has all 3.

Smith bats serenely on ...

[Mibbes Aye]

Good coverage JMS! I think I read that the highest opening stand in the series is something ridiculously low, or the average certainly is.

On a different note, does Sam Curran not look like he is bunking off school?

I have been watching and listening to the match but not able to post at any length. Hopeful of sharing my rambling drivel tonight.

[JeMeSouviens]

Good coverage JMS! I think I read that the highest opening stand in the series is something ridiculously low, or the average certainly is.

On a different note, does Sam Curran not look like he is bunking off school?

I have been watching and listening to the match but not able to post at any length. Hopeful of sharing my rambling drivel tonight.

:agree:

Burns/Denly's 27 yesterday is the highest of the series.

Aussies just got to 100.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Smith looks well set for yet another ton. His form is just outstanding.

[JeMeSouviens]

Aussie collapsing apart from Smith, he really has been the difference between the sides.

166/7

Curran on a hat-trick!

[JeMeSouviens]

Siddle edges the hat-trick ball for 4.

[JeMeSouviens]

Smith FAILS!!!!!!!

A paltry 80. :greengrin

Aus 187/8. England's total not looking so bad now.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Smith FAILS!!!!!!!

A paltry 80. :greengrin

Aus 187/8. England's total not looking so bad now.

Smith must be dropped :greengrin

[JeMeSouviens]

225 all out. Eng's first innings lead is 69.

[heretoday]

Well done England and particularly Joe Root for plugging away. Things can only get better.

[Mibbes Aye]

I have very much neglected this final Test on here and that is a shame because it was another good game, perhaps slightly anti-climactic after all we have been treated to, but still, a very decent Test match IMO with lots to enjoy.

Final series matches at The Oval often seem to throw a curve ball and this was no different in throwing up the first drawn Ashes series since 1972. For Australia, they have retained the Ashes on English soil for the first time in a long time (2001?) but they would have loved a series victory to go with it. And thinking about how the matches played out, there were so many instances which could have turned innings and turned games and saw Australia win the series comfortably. Likewise, England had similar moments and it would be churlish not to acknowledge the loss of Jimmy Anderson. I don’t think he would have been fit enough to open the bowling in five Tests so it would have been intriguing to see how England managed him, but quite clearly they missed him.

As to the match itself, it was always a big ask for Australia. After Old Trafford they looked like a side with one foot on the plane, despite any desire to not just retain the urn but win the series. For England, Jofra Archer shone yet again, what a young talent at 24 and I am loving the prospect of seeing what he can do on Australian pitches in the next Ashes series, Perth especially, but the Gabba too. I also reckon he won’t dislike the SCG, MCG and Adelaide. It should be tasty!

So, as summaries go, let’s start with Australia.

Steve Smith returned to the Test arena after a twelve month suspension. He batted on bowler-friendly wickets and knocked up 774 runs in seven innings. I believe he scored 333 runs more than the next-highest scoring batsman (Stokes). As much as anything he was a talisman, England never looked like they knew how to get him out, despite experiments with fine legs and whatever’s. Ultimately he was dismissed by his own mistakes, but usually after accumulating match-changing scores.

What shouldn’t be neglected is his slip fielding. Absolutely magnificent, I think he took twelve catches (and in fairness, spilled a few more). That’s a tremendous return from three and a half matches.

Otherwise batting, Warner has had a miserable time of it, especially at the hands of Broad. He is a lot better than this though and will bounce back. His one consolation is he fielded well, he has incredible pace chasing a ball down.

Wade did well today for a gritty century and I expect to see him continue as a specialist batsman given that Paine is indicating he will carry on and there is a readymade WK replacement in Carey. Khawaja might yet return but I fail to see what he can actually offer to the team, other than a middling 20 or 30, bumped up on home soil. Harris had a torrid time, and I feel for him. His travails May open the door for Bancroft returning but it doesn’t feel like Australia are confident about who opens with Warner.

The breakout player for Australia is clearly Marnus Labuschagne. A number of great innings, so unlucky not to progress to a century. He has also fielded very well and his part-time spin has produced a few zingers, not least of all the critical wicket of Leach at OT.

As for the bowlers, it is impossible to criticise. Cummins was immense, Hazlewood nearly as good, but different in that he offered tidiness and consistency, against Patty’s sheer aggression. Pattinson, Siddle and Starc all complemented, at various points, while Lyon was indefatigable holding down an end and allowing the seamers to rotate. Gazza has quietly and steadily built up his tally to the point where he is now Australia’s second leading wicket taker by spin IIRC.

As for England, this series has answered some questions and thrown up others. Rory Burns seems set now, he has shown enough at opening bat. There is a lot of chat about the youngster Dominic Sibley being drafted in alongside him. He is a talent but it is a roll of the dice. Joe Denly has done enough to justify a trip to NZ for the autumn series but the question is where he plays?

In times gone by, the order shuffled to allow you to blood youngsters at six, while the rest of the team moved up a slot. Denly isn’t a youngster but is inexperienced at Test level. My preference would be for Root to stick at three, in the same way Ponting did. Best player, most critical position. If that means relinquishing the captaincy then so be it. Denly or Stokes at four/five, either way round.

This then raises the Bairstow question. If he is keeping wicket should he bat at seven and let Jos Buttler in at six? Or perhaps more importantly, what do you do with Ben Foakes, who is maybe the best keeper of the lot and a fine red-ball batsman?

Bowler-wise, Stuart Broad was magnificent but obviously time-limited, yet still managed to become the first Englishman to take 20 or more wickets in four Ashes series. He can really nurture the likes of Archer. Pace wise, it is a case of England managing injuries. Archer played with a strain and the other five or six pace picks were all nursing something or other. In the spin department, Leach has come on well and is hugely popular with the support. I guess a lot depends on how Moeen responds to his summer. I genuinely hope he bounces back.

Interesting times for England, a two-Test trip to New Zealand and then four Tests across the turn of the year in South Africa. They will be challenging matches.

[JeMeSouviens]

Some cool photography here:

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2019/sep/17/ashes-2019-stellar-images-from-an-unforgettable-summer

[JeMeSouviens]

I have very much neglected this final Test on here and that is a shame because it was another good game, perhaps slightly anti-climactic after all we have been treated to, but still, a very decent Test match IMO with lots to enjoy.

Final series matches at The Oval often seem to throw a curve ball and this was no different in throwing up the first drawn Ashes series since 1972. For Australia, they have retained the Ashes on English soil for the first time in a long time (2001?) but they would have loved a series victory to go with it. And thinking about how the matches played out, there were so many instances which could have turned innings and turned games and saw Australia win the series comfortably. Likewise, England had similar moments and it would be churlish not to acknowledge the loss of Jimmy Anderson. I don’t think he would have been fit enough to open the bowling in five Tests so it would have been intriguing to see how England managed him, but quite clearly they missed him.

As to the match itself, it was always a big ask for Australia. After Old Trafford they looked like a side with one foot on the plane, despite any desire to not just retain the urn but win the series. For England, Jofra Archer shone yet again, what a young talent at 24 and I am loving the prospect of seeing what he can do on Australian pitches in the next Ashes series, Perth especially, but the Gabba too. I also reckon he won’t dislike the SCG, MCG and Adelaide. It should be tasty!

So, as summaries go, let’s start with Australia.

Steve Smith returned to the Test arena after a twelve month suspension. He batted on bowler-friendly wickets and knocked up 774 runs in seven innings. I believe he scored 333 runs more than the next-highest scoring batsman (Stokes). As much as anything he was a talisman, England never looked like they knew how to get him out, despite experiments with fine legs and whatever’s. Ultimately he was dismissed by his own mistakes, but usually after accumulating match-changing scores.

What shouldn’t be neglected is his slip fielding. Absolutely magnificent, I think he took twelve catches (and in fairness, spilled a few more). That’s a tremendous return from three and a half matches.

Otherwise batting, Warner has had a miserable time of it, especially at the hands of Broad. He is a lot better than this though and will bounce back. His one consolation is he fielded well, he has incredible pace chasing a ball down.

Wade did well today for a gritty century and I expect to see him continue as a specialist batsman given that Paine is indicating he will carry on and there is a readymade WK replacement in Carey. Khawaja might yet return but I fail to see what he can actually offer to the team, other than a middling 20 or 30, bumped up on home soil. Harris had a torrid time, and I feel for him. His travails May open the door for Bancroft returning but it doesn’t feel like Australia are confident about who opens with Warner.

The breakout player for Australia is clearly Marnus Labuschagne. A number of great innings, so unlucky not to progress to a century. He has also fielded very well and his part-time spin has produced a few zingers, not least of all the critical wicket of Leach at OT.

As for the bowlers, it is impossible to criticise. Cummins was immense, Hazlewood nearly as good, but different in that he offered tidiness and consistency, against Patty’s sheer aggression. Pattinson, Siddle and Starc all complemented, at various points, while Lyon was indefatigable holding down an end and allowing the seamers to rotate. Gazza has quietly and steadily built up his tally to the point where he is now Australia’s second leading wicket taker by spin IIRC.

As for England, this series has answered some questions and thrown up others. Rory Burns seems set now, he has shown enough at opening bat. There is a lot of chat about the youngster Dominic Sibley being drafted in alongside him. He is a talent but it is a roll of the dice. Joe Denly has done enough to justify a trip to NZ for the autumn series but the question is where he plays?

In times gone by, the order shuffled to allow you to blood youngsters at six, while the rest of the team moved up a slot. Denly isn’t a youngster but is inexperienced at Test level. My preference would be for Root to stick at three, in the same way Ponting did. Best player, most critical position. If that means relinquishing the captaincy then so be it. Denly or Stokes at four/five, either way round.

This then raises the Bairstow question. If he is keeping wicket should he bat at seven and let Jos Buttler in at six? Or perhaps more importantly, what do you do with Ben Foakes, who is maybe the best keeper of the lot and a fine red-ball batsman?

Bowler-wise, Stuart Broad was magnificent but obviously time-limited, yet still managed to become the first Englishman to take 20 or more wickets in four Ashes series. He can really nurture the likes of Archer. Pace wise, it is a case of England managing injuries. Archer played with a strain and the other five or six pace picks were all nursing something or other. In the spin department, Leach has come on well and is hugely popular with the support. I guess a lot depends on how Moeen responds to his summer. I genuinely hope he bounces back.

Interesting times for England, a two-Test trip to New Zealand and then four Tests across the turn of the year in South Africa. They will be challenging matches.


Good stuff, MA. :aok:

One thing you haven't mentioned is the importance of the toss. It's quite striking I think, that where teams are fairly even matched at least, it's very hard to be chasing in the last innings.

Edgbaston - Aus bat, comfortable win
Lord's - Eng bat, on top and probably would've won without rain delays
Headingley - Aus bat, Eng win *but* they had perfect weather conditions in gloomy first day and then sunshine, and even then they needed a miracle!
OT - Aus bat, on top and wore out Eng resistance
Oval - Eng bat, comfortable win

So Tim Paine really threw away the series win at the end there :wink:

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Good stuff, MA. :aok:

One thing you haven't mentioned is the importance of the toss. It's quite striking I think, that where teams are fairly even matched at least, it's very hard to be chasing in the last innings.

Edgbaston - Aus bat, comfortable win
Lord's - Eng bat, on top and probably would've won without rain delays
Headingley - Aus bat, Eng win *but* they had perfect weather conditions in gloomy first day and then sunshine, and even then they needed a miracle!
OT - Aus bat, on top and wore out Eng resistance
Oval - Eng bat, comfortable win

So Tim Paine really threw away the series win at the end there :wink:

Cheers!

Yes, good point. I have rarely if ever talked about the toss - it’s cause I’m old-school, Steve Waugh-style, don’t care what the toss is and never enforce the follow-on :greengrin

But seriously, you are absolutely right, the toss is massive, massive anywhere but you can really see the significance in England as well as in places like the Gabba. And with both teams having balanced bowling units then batting fourth becomes very difficult.

Another theme that I or we have probably not given much attention to is the new ball and the impact it can have, dependent on when it becomes available in the innings. It can turn games very quickly.

And likewise the weather conditions. I touched upon it to an extent when posting from Manchester but it is incredible how an half-hour spell of cloud cover, with a tepid to warm temperature can completely change the way the ball moves. Lucky you if you are bowling and your best swingers are fit to go and haven’t just put down ten overs!

My personal favourite under-referenced theme is the part-time spinner. Root and Labuschagne both delivered vital interventions during this series, despite not being frontline bowlers.

I think that is part of the attraction of cricket, there are so many variables, so many subjective, so many things that you can’t control but can utilise if they fall your way at the right time.

But even accepting that, you still have scope for individual brilliance. Smith and Stokes, Cummins and Broad, rising above all the other factors and imposing themselves on matches through sheer will allied with extraordinary talent.

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Just looking ahead we have India vs South Africa next month, which looks tasty. T20 in the Caribbean, which will see a few international stars flaunting their stuff. And I have not followed it closely but I believe Essex and Somerset are going head to head next week to decide the County Championship.

If I find the space I might post a bit on the T20. I will definitely be trying to watch the Tests in India. Desperate to see Bumrah bowling on home soil and likewise how Rabada and Ngidi do. Being in India there is always scope for batsmen and spinners so that will be fascinating too. I’m a bit busy through October but if I can start a thread for the Tests I will and if I can’t then someone else should feel free.

Great World Cup, great Ashes, now back to the norm of hoping for good Test series, ODIs and the various T20 tournaments :greengrin

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Just looking ahead we have India vs South Africa next month, which looks tasty. T20 in the Caribbean, which will see a few international stars flaunting their stuff. And I have not followed it closely but I believe Essex and Somerset are going head to head next week to decide the County Championship.

If I find the space I might post a bit on the T20. I will definitely be trying to watch the Tests in India. Desperate to see Bumrah bowling on home soil and likewise how Rabada and Ngidi do. Being in India there is always scope for batsmen and spinners so that will be fascinating too. I’m a bit busy through October but if I can start a thread for the Tests I will and if I can’t then someone else should feel free.

Great World Cup, great Ashes, now back to the norm of hoping for good Test series, ODIs and the various T20 tournaments :greengrin

I don't normally follow county cricket but have been following this. Somerset have never won the CC and have led practically all season before losing this week at Hampshire. Can they pull it round in a Hibs-2016 last game resurrection stylee? :worried::pray:

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I don't normally follow county cricket but have been following this. Somerset have never won the CC and have led practically all season before losing this week at Hampshire. Can they pull it round in a Hibs-2016 last game resurrection stylee? :worried::pray:

I will keep an eye on this one. Somerset have had some great players over the years, most especially in the late seventies and early eighties. Funnily enough, when I was at Old Trafford I was sitting beside a guy who had been with Essex though got dropped in his late teens. He was black and said that Essex was notorious for not promoting black and Asian players into the first team at that time (I am guessing he was in his forties now).

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I will keep an eye on this one. Somerset have had some great players over the years, most especially in the late seventies and early eighties. Funnily enough, when I was at Old Trafford I was sitting beside a guy who had been with Essex though got dropped in his late teens. He was black and said that Essex was notorious for not promoting black and Asian players into the first team at that time (I am guessing he was in his forties now).

Somerset had Botham and Viv Richards together at one point did they not?

Anyway, after 2 rain interrupted days, it's:

Somerset 203 all out - tremendous 59 partnership for the last wicket, otherwise they might be already more or less out of it.

Essex 25/0 - patient first 11 overs from Essex openers including a certain Sir Alastair Cook.

[Mibbes Aye]

Somerset had Botham and Viv Richards together at one point did they not?

Anyway, after 2 rain interrupted days, it's:

Somerset 203 all out - tremendous 59 partnership for the last wicket, otherwise they might be already more or less out of it.

Essex 25/0 - patient first 11 overs from Essex openers including a certain Sir Alastair Cook.

Yeah, Somerset desperately needed a burst at the end to give themselves a chance.

Botham and Richards were at Somerset along with Joel Garner, under the captaincy of Brian Close. During the Ashes I watched at home, they put on a few pre-recorded slots during rain breaks, featuring Ian Botham interviewing Viv Richards about their time together at Taunton. It was good, for some reason Botham doesn’t come across well on commentary but in the one-to-one interview he was fine.

The Kevin Pietersen documentary has been good too, there was a bit of that today during the rain break. Pretty honest stuff from most of those involved in what was a bitter and sour debacle.