Hibs v Alloa

[brog]

At what point should I expect football players to run and kick footballs that reach their team mates?

Did Boyle have brain surgery that made him forget how to run? If he’s not up to speed why is he playing competitive football given that He was kept back from playing against Stirling for being not up to speed?

How many excuses do you have for piss poor football against piss poor opposition?

How do you get up to speed for competitive football without playing competitive football?

[Since452]

I have not listened to that **** fir a long long time. Always see the negative in Hibs imho!


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Really sad how far a once brilliant radio programme has fallen. Bob Crampsey, Alasdair Alexander, David Begg et al. Even Gordon Smith was a guy worth listening to. Now we've got melts like Ian Ferguson and Alan Preston.

[Speedway]

Did you actually just ask why a player who needs to get match fit was playing in a football match, at this point I bow out of this as you are clearly at it

Yeah, most stop when they get found out.

Boyle not up to speed for Stirling. Plays today when not up to speed and I ask why players who aren’t up to speed are playing competitively.

You struggle with that. Porto’s not up to speed either. Should he have played today as well?

Or is it that Boyle played because he IS up to speed but was ineffectual and you’re seeking to excuse that?

[Bishop Hibee]

Much better performance in the second half with Murray and Allan on. Totally dominant and could have scored more. I’m not convinced Heckingbottom knows his best team but Allan and Murray should definitely start on Tuesday.

[Allant1981]

Yeah, most stop when they get found out.

Boyle not up to speed for Stirling. Plays today when not up to speed and I ask why players who aren’t up to speed are playing competitively.

You struggle with that. Porto’s not up to speed either. Should he have played today as well?

Or is it that Boyle played because he IS up to speed but was ineffectual and you’re seeking to excuse that?

Are you actually this daft or just an act? Boyle has hardly kicked a ball in months, you dont rush players back or play them every game, play him every game when not match fit or fully up to speed and it may set him back, it's not rocket science, if you have ever had an injury and played sport you will know that, it's also common sense. Porteous is behind boyle in terms of coming back I believe so a totally different situation, but again you will know that so the answer to my initial question is that it's just an act

[Dan Sarf]

What do you mean conceited?

And the yelling?! Isn’t it natural and even customary to raise your voice and possibly yell a bit when a team scores and your are the commentator?

Genuinely not understanding your appraisal here. Help me understand.


Conceited: full of themselves.

Yelling when a team scores: yes, fine. But not so incoherently that you can't tell which team has scored. For ages.

Apologies if you don't agree but, honestly, I just can't take it any more.

[Speedway]

Are you actually this daft or just an act? Boyle has hardly kicked a ball in months, you dont rush players back or play them every game, play him every game when not match fit or fully up to speed and it may set him back, it's not rocket science, if you have ever had an injury and played sport you will know that, it's also common sense. Porteous is behind boyle in terms of coming back I believe so a totally different situation, but again you will know that so the answer to my initial question is that it's just an act

So you’re now saying that Boyle was crap because we’re using him when he isn’t ready to play part timers. OK.

What’s your excuse for the poor performances of those who are up to speed and aren’t coming back from injury?

If you’ve noticed, many teams with smaller squads and budgets aren’t struggling to put part timers away in competitive football matches.

[Hibs90]

So you’re now saying that Boyle was crap because we’re using him when he isn’t ready to play part timers. OK.

What’s your excuse for the poor performances of those who are up to speed and aren’t coming back from injury?

If you’ve noticed, many teams with smaller squads and budgets aren’t struggling to put part timers away in competitive football matches.


I think its the system/tactics tbh. Don't seem to be working.

[DTS]

I thought we started the game first ten mins or so looked pretty good but then the rest of the first half was stale and slow, was some nice moments of link up from strikers and wingers, kamberi looked to be linking better than last season but we struggled to create any clear chances but felt doidge, Horgan and Boyle could have done better with the chances they had on the right hand side of the box almost all the same patch of grass. Thought bringing Murray and Allan on brought us up to what will likely be our starting 11 come st mirren minus mackie for Whittaker and Murray may drop out for vela if fit and it improved us 10 fold, in patches we were still too slow but we pressed a lot higher and dominated the ball more, looks like Scott Allan will be the catalyst for our press. Their keeper made two excellent saves from doidge before his goal, not sure re his offside goal and the keeper also made a solid save from Whittaker along with his poor miss at the end. All in all despite being poor first half we were totally comfortable and always felt the goal would come, on another day could have easily been 4/5. On a side note fraser Murray very good again

[Allant1981]

So you’re now saying that Boyle was crap because we’re using him when he isn’t ready to play part timers. OK.

What’s your excuse for the poor performances of those who are up to speed and aren’t coming back from injury?

If you’ve noticed, many teams with smaller squads and budgets aren’t struggling to put part timers away in competitive football matches.

I dont have an excuse for poor performances, I'm not the manager, we won 2 nil not playing particularly well and still experimenting with selections and still getting players match fit so I'll take that result every day of the week. I'm guessing you didnt see the st Mirren result today, or the killie game during the week. Or again does that not suit your agenda?

[Speedway]

I dont have an excuse for poor performances, I'm not the manager, we won 2 nil not playing particularly well and still experimenting with selections and still getting players match fit so I'll take that result every day of the week. I'm guessing you didnt see the st Mirren result today, or the killie game during the week. Or again does that not suit your agenda?

My agenda is for what the manager says he’s going to do to be evidenced on the pitch.

There is no evidence of that and much evidence for Miller style football hence the ‘Millerbottom’ term that you originally objected to, despite you later admitting that you had never seen the teams and style being referenced.

[04Sauzee]

My agenda is for what the manager says he’s going to do to be evidenced on the pitch.

There is no evidence of that and much evidence for Miller style football hence the ‘Millerbottom’ term that you originally objected to, despite you later admitting that you had never seen the teams and style being referenced.
I may be wrong but did Miller not sign crunchie, O'Neil, Jackson, Wright?

[Speedway]

I think its the system/tactics tbh. Don't seem to be working.

Agree completely OO. PH’s chat and his teams aren’t matching up.

Of his five available outfield signings, he’s played two, one of which was played out of position again.

That said, our goals came from those players but only after he changed his original formation because it wasn’t working (again) and players he didn’t sign, started making things happen for us.

Not the sign of a manager who knows his best XI or system.

[hibsbollah]

My agenda is for what the manager says he’s going to do to be evidenced on the pitch.

There is no evidence of that and much evidence for Miller style football hence the ‘Millerbottom’ term that you originally objected to, despite you later admitting that you had never seen the teams and style being referenced.

'Millerbottom' football might at least win us a trophy. Its the'Butcherbottom'or 'Calderwoodbottom' style of play that we need to be fearful of. Personally, I'm cautiously optimistic that some pert Mowbraybottom football will be heaving itself over the horizon before too long.

[Speedway]

I may be wrong but did Miller not sign crunchie, O'Neil, Jackson, Wright?

Indeed he did. You’ll notice I specifically referenced the Miller teams of 87-90, prior to those players signing for us.

[Speedway]

'Millerbottom' football might at least win us a trophy. Its the'Butcherbottom'or 'Calderwoodbottom' style of play that we need to be fearful of. Personally, I'm cautiously optimistic that some pert Mowbraybottom football will be heaving itself over the horizon before too long.

I’d love that to be right, HB.

[Allant1981]

My agenda is for what the manager says he’s going to do to be evidenced on the pitch.

There is no evidence of that and much evidence for Miller style football hence the ‘Millerbottom’ term that you originally objected to, despite you later admitting that you had never seen the teams and style being referenced.

Sorry I cant take you serious any longer, slating the guy 2 games into the season after having to pretty much rebuild a team, and you didnt mention what seasons regarding Miller's reign until you had to explain it, so now I actually am done debating this with you, I have a 1 year old to attend to

[hibsbollah]

I have a 1 year old to attend to

From Millerbottom to baby's bottom.

[Speedway]

Sorry I cant take you serious any longer, slating the guy 2 games into the season after having to pretty much rebuild a team, and you didnt mention what seasons regarding Miller's reign until you had to explain it, so now I actually am done debating this with you, I have a 1 year old to attend to

You remind me a lot of a poster that used to be on here called Andy74.

His form was to blindly defend Hibs and our managers regardless.

He disappeared after being proven wrong so often, but at least he was a bit more informed.

By the way, the manager has just said on his Hibs TV interview, ‘we had to change things at half time as we’d played into their hands in the first half’

Played into their hands? FFS

If he was describing a first half against Celtic then ok but he referencing Alloa!!

He’s saying he couldn’t out think a part time team in the first half.

That may be good enough for you. It’s not good enough for many, including me, who’ve seen this movie before.

PS - Rebuild a team? The one with 8 of the same starting players from last season?

Are you reading what you type before you post?

[davhibby]

I thought second half was a step in the right direction. Looked much more threatening than we had in the game and a half previous. Need to carry on improving for Tuesday night though

[GreenCastle]

Today made me glad we aren’t playing these lower teams regularly who park the bus and try hit you on break.

Obviously some teams will come to ER and sit in but I feel we will hit some teams on counter with speed we have in final 3rd.

Alloa were well organised and apart from a spell mid 1st half when they saw a bit of ball it was all Hibs. They had a few crosses into box but nothing too major.

We had Murray off line effort, plus SW chance and could have easily been 4 or 5 nil.

I do agree I don’t think Hecky knows best team yet but I do agree Flo was the more lively of strikers 1st half.

Glad Doidge got his goal and great pass by young Murray. Doidge will cause defenders problems and he will score headers something we have been missing. Seems 4-3-3 will be the formation though after today’s 4-4-2 attempt which I would have started with or even 3-5-2.

Fraser and Scott changed the game when they came on - added more creativity to midfield and found some good pockets of space. Allan will continue to be a joy to watch this season. Murray when involved in the game (doesn’t by pass him) is a very talented player.

James took his goal well and looks pretty relaxed when he plays - I would like him to get involved in more attacks and take care of his passes.

Great we have Horgan and Boyle though as they do cause problems and like them both in the team as you will always get effort and 100% commitment.

Next 2 games will be much tougher so let’s see how we do then.

Final bit was annoyed with the lack of turnstiles open as meant Q’s trying to get in. Used phone which scanned QR code which was great - phone must be vertical to work. PA system in East still crap also and too many seagulls / rubbish around the stands.

[04Sauzee]

Indeed he did. You’ll notice I specifically referenced the Miller teams of 87-90, prior to those players signing for us.

Just as well you didn't reference Auld, Stanton and Blackley before him.

When Miller got the players he wanted we had a more than decent team.

[Speedway]

Just as well you didn't reference Auld, Stanton and Blackley before him.

When Miller got the players he wanted we had a more than decent team.

We certainly got an attacking team. I don’t think that team won anything although only a McCoist wonder goal stood between that team and a league cup.

So, PH has got his players. All we need now is for him to deliver a more than decent team.

[Since452]

Millerbottom? Jeezo. We're comparing a guy who's been in the building 5 minutes to a manager 30 years ago? This place is mental at times 😂

[04Sauzee]

We certainly got an attacking team. I don’t think that team won anything although only a McCoist wonder goal stood between that team and a league cup.

So, PH has got his players. All we need now is for him to deliver a more than decent team.
We won the league Cup 2-0 against Dunfermline, the mccoist overhead goal I think was the season after.
Still think we will get a couple of players in even although Heckingbottom says we are finished. Missing from the starting 11 today were

Stevenson
Gray
Porteous
Jackson
Vella
Slivka
Newall

* edit wasn't sure if you meant we won nothing under Miller or with the likes of crunchie and O'Neil etc

[SideBurns]

It was was as poor a display as last week, in my opinion. My main concern is a lack of movement and invention - the build up is slow and predictable. Hopefully the introduction of Vela will help that. As will Porteous, Gray, and Stevenson.

[Speedway]

We won the league Cup 2-0 against Dunfermline, the mccoist overhead goal I think was the season after.
Still think we will get a couple of players in even although Heckingbottom says we are finished. Missing from the starting 11 today were

Stevenson
Gray
Porteous
Jackson
Vella
Slivka
Newall

* edit wasn't sure if you meant we won nothing under Miller or with the likes of crunchie and O'Neil etc

I meant that the signings you mention gave us an attacking team and a European qualifying team but it didn’t deliver silverware.

The Miller era I refer to was prior to both that side and the cup win of ‘91.

I take your point on both missing players and signings still to come. Whether the manager knows how to get a tune out of them remains to be seen.

[Keith_M]

It was was as poor a display as last week, in my opinion. My main concern is a lack of movement and invention - the build up is slow and predictable. Hopefully the introduction of Vela will help that. As will Porteous, Gray, and Stevenson.


It's a strange one because it was obvious to most that we were really missing pace in a lot of games last season but, if anything, we seem to have become even more laborious.

Fine, experiment with players and formation, but that's a serious deficiency that no amount of claims of experimentation, or early season bedding in can explain.

What I'm worried about is that this will be the style of play we're going to see this season. For one thing, I can't see it winning many points and for another it's not exactly going to attract the fans to go and watch it. Like Speedway, and no doubt many others, I've seen this style of football all too often and wouldn't like to see a return to the Bertie Auld or early Millar years.


If it all changes, and we go on to play some attractive football, zipping the ball about and scoring loads of goals, then I'll celebrate the turn around and happily admit I was worrying over nothing. But you'll have to excuse me for still being at the apprehensive phase just now.

[J-C]

I totally understand where Speedway is coming from, not there today as i was working after a week off so needed to earn a crust but reading all the comment particularly the 1st half does make you seriously question what's going through the managers mind when setting up his teams, shape and tactics wise.

When teams like Alloa and the like turn up purely to park the bus by cramming the middle and keeping things tight, 4-4-2 is never going to work, Stubbs proved that time and time again in the championship with his diamond formation which struggled to break these teams down. 3 in the middle allows our wide men and wingbacks to get forward and get behind their defence, the tempo also needs to be upped to make this happen.

I'm also slightly worried he's using these games as friendlies to get up to speed, these re competitive games and should be treated as such, especially as there are punters paying to watch their team, I watched the Motherwell game last night and the pace and directness of their players was exactly what i'd expect from a Hibs team, they've recruited quite well and look like a decent shout for a top 6.

[Billy Whizz]

I totally understand where Speedway is coming from, not there today as i was working after a week off so needed to earn a crust but reading all the comment particularly the 1st half does make you seriously question what's going through the managers mind when setting up his teams, shape and tactics wise.

When teams like Alloa and the like turn up purely to park the bus by cramming the middle and keeping things tight, 4-4-2 is never going to work, Stubbs proved that time and time again in the championship with his diamond formation which struggled to break these teams down. 3 in the middle allows our wide men and wingbacks to get forward and get behind their defence, the tempo also needs to be upped to make this happen.

I'm also slightly worried he's using these games as friendlies to get up to speed, these re competitive games and should be treated as such, especially as there are punters paying to watch their team, I watched the Motherwell game last night and the pace and directness of their players was exactly what i'd expect from a Hibs team, they've recruited quite well and look like a decent shout for a top 6.

I would have said 1st half was 4-2-4 so certainly not negative

[SideBurns]

It's a strange one because it was obvious to most that we were really missing pace in a lot of games last season but, if anything, we seem to have become even more laborious.

Fine, experiment with players and formation, but that's a serious deficiency that no amount of claims of experimentation, or early season bedding in can explain.

What I'm worried about is that this will be the style of play we're going to see this season. For one thing, I can't see it winning many points and for another it's not exactly going to attract the fans to go and watch it. Like Speedway, and no doubt many others, I've seen this style of football all too often and wouldn't like to see a return to the Bertie Auld or early Millar years.


If it all changes, and we go on to play some attractive football, zipping the ball about and scoring loads of goals, then I'll celebrate the turn around and happily admit I was worrying over nothing. But you'll have to excuse me for still being at the apprehensive phase just now.

The point you make about the Auld years, in particular, rings true to me. I was in the north end of the West Upper today, and was a North Stand ST holder in the early 80s. The fitba today was sadly reminiscent of those days.

[J-C]

It's a strange one because it was obvious to most that we were really missing pace in a lot of games last season but, if anything, we seem to have become even more laborious.

Fine, experiment with players and formation, but that's a serious deficiency that no amount of claims of experimentation, or early season bedding in can explain.

What I'm worried about is that this will be the style of play we're going to see this season. For one thing, I can't see it winning many points and for another it's not exactly going to attract the fans to go and watch it. Like Speedway, and no doubt many others, I've seen this style of football all too often and wouldn't like to see a return to the Bertie Auld or early Millar years.


If it all changes, and we go on to play some attractive football, zipping the ball about and scoring loads of goals, then I'll celebrate the turn around and happily admit I was worrying over nothing. But you'll have to excuse me for still being at the apprehensive phase just now.


Was there not some talk somewhere that his style of play at Barnsley was a bit industrial but got the job done.

[J-C]

I would have said 1st half was 4-2-4 so certainly not negative


Cheers Billy, why then did it simply not work?

[Billy Whizz]

Cheers Billy, why then did it simply not work?

Probably because we didn’t get the early goal J-C, this would have settled down the players and fans
It was a brave formation from the Manager, yet he gets stick for it!

[J-C]

Probably because we didn’t get the early goal J-C, this would have settled down the players and fans
It was a brave formation from the Manager, yet he gets stick for it!


:aok:

[ekhibee]

Just as well you didn't reference Auld, Stanton and Blackley before him.

When Miller got the players he wanted we had a more than decent team.

And just as well you didn't reference Ray Wilkins, Dave Beaumont, both Miller's sons and Joe McLaughlin who Miller also signed and were all dreadful. I can't honestly believe you're trying to make a case for Miller's brand of football, we want to get more Hibs fans through the turnstiles, not drive them away.

[04Sauzee]

And just as well you didn't reference Ray Wilkins, Dave Beaumont, both Miller's sons and Joe McLaughlin who Miller also signed and were all dreadful. I can't honestly believe you're trying to make a case for Miller's brand of football, we want to get more Hibs fans through the turnstiles, not drive them away.
I'm making a case for the good players he had playing in his team, players I loved to watch. I'm not defending Miller nor am I jumping on negativity surrounding Heckingbottom

[HibeesLittleHel]

I may be wrong but did Miller not sign crunchie, O'Neil, Jackson, Wright?

Yes he did any he was on my bus home!

[Hibees1973]

Again, early days but my mood has not improved after today.

it is the easiest thing to do to criticise but it is difficult to get out of this mindset after what I have seen so far from Hibs.

I was shot down in flames last week by a couple of posters for saying that ‘can anyone categorically say that any of our new signings are better than we already have’.

I will feel a bit better when we get Gray back in the side and Allan on from the start. A fit and focused Boyle is a plus as well. But these players have already proved consistently in the past that they can do a job for us. I did hope Hecky and our recruitment team would to sign new players that would make a difference.

From what I have seen so far NONE of them will improve us for us to make it into the top 3.

With the money our new owner has we should have had McNulty and Omeonga at East Mains already getting fit and prepared for the season ahead. Why not?...lack of ambition or penny pinching again. What we have instead are several 3rd/4th lower tier English players who don’t have a clue what is required for the SPL. This is not good enough.

I do have concerns about how the new manager and recruitment team fit together and who takes responsibility for failed signings, there have been plenty over the last year. Mavrias, Bigirimanna, Spector, Nelom, Aygepong.......there are a good few others who have picked up a wage from a Hibs without contributing much. Know Hecky was not here when some of these came in but the majority of the recruitment team are still there. I did hear about friction between the recruitment team and Lennon in the past.

There are 2 weeks before the season really starts. Hope these new signings are just settling in and not up to speed yet. This could be a reason why they look mince so far. Also hope Hecky is bluffing and is not finished in the transfer market.

[SMAXXA]

The one thing I particularly found evident today was how many crosses we put into the box. It was actually a weird set up I thought, Horgan was clearly playing wide and delivering crosses whereby Boyle kept coming central. More so first half I was actually screaming out for us to try cut them open but we struggled. I get the fact they were fairly compact. Just felt we were a bit devoid of ideas. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say we won’t see a 442 much this season

[B.H.F.C]

The one thing I particularly found evident today was how many crosses we put into the box. It was actually a weird set up I thought, Horgan was clearly playing wide and delivering crosses whereby Boyle kept coming central. More so first half I was actually screaming out for us to try cut them open but we struggled. I get the fact they were fairly compact. Just felt we were a bit devoid of ideas. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say we won’t see a 442 much this season

I thought the idea of getting plenty crosses in was fine. The quality was abysmal. Boyle, Horgan and Whittaker the main culprits.

Agree on 442. Doesn’t suit what we have.

[Heisenberg]

Again, early days but my mood has not improved after today.

it is the easiest thing to do to criticise but it is difficult to get out of this mindset after what I have seen so far from Hibs.

I was shot down in flames last week by a couple of posters for saying that ‘can anyone categorically say that any of our new signings are better than we already have’.

I will feel a bit better when we get Gray back in the side and Allan on from the start. A fit and focused Boyle is a plus as well. But these players have already proved consistently in the past that they can do a job for us. I did hope Hecky and our recruitment team would to sign new players that would make a difference.

From what I have seen so far NONE of them will improve us for us to make it into the top 3.

With the money our new owner has we should have had McNulty and Omeonga at East Mains already getting fit and prepared for the season ahead. Why not?...lack of ambition or penny pinching again. What we have instead are several 3rd/4th lower tier English players who don’t have a clue what is required for the SPL. This is not good enough.

I do have concerns about how the new manager and recruitment team fit together and who takes responsibility for failed signings, there have been plenty over the last year. Mavrias, Bigirimanna, Spector, Nelom, Aygepong.......there are a good few others who have picked up a wage from a Hibs without contributing much. Know Hecky was not here when some of these came in but the majority of the recruitment team are still there. I did hear about friction between the recruitment team and Lennon in the past.

There are 2 weeks before the season really starts. Hope these new signings are just settling in and not up to speed yet. This could be a reason why they look mince so far. Also hope Hecky is bluffing and is not finished in the transfer market.

So we have a lack of ambition and are penny pinching because we’ve not gone out and spent over £1m on two players? Seems pretty unreasonable to me.

McNulty and Omeonga have other interest because of how well they did last season. If we can’t compete then so be it. We’ll definitely sign more before the window ends imo.

I thought Doidge did well today, more so in the second half, and James scored a belter.

I’ll guess Kamberi out and two in.

[ahibby]

Agree completely OO. PH’s chat and his teams aren’t matching up.

Of his five available outfield signings, he’s played two, one of which was played out of position again.

That said, our goals came from those players but only after he changed his original formation because it wasn’t working (again) and players he didn’t sign, started making things happen for us.

Not the sign of a manager who knows his best XI or system.
I am sure he knows his best eleven and a couple of them are not yet fit and able enough. I understand the frustration. PH believes we dont need to be at our best oe at full sttength to progress from the group.and he is right..

[Speedway]

I am sure he knows his best eleven and a couple of them are not yet fit and able enough. I understand the frustration. PH believes we dont need to be at our best oe at full sttength to progress from the group.and he is right..

Are you sure he’s right?

Defeat on Tuesday, however unthinkable, might challenge that belief of his.

[matty_f]

Are you sure he’s right?

Defeat on Tuesday, however unthinkable, might challenge that belief of his.

I think he’s right.

[Speedway]

I think he’s right.

I hope he is.

[TheMrSandiego]

So we have a lack of ambition and are penny pinching because we’ve not gone out and spent over £1m on two players? Seems pretty unreasonable to me.

McNulty and Omeonga have other interest because of how well they did last season. If we can’t compete then so be it. We’ll definitely sign more before the window ends imo.

I thought Doidge did well today, more so in the second half, and James scored a belter.

I’ll guess Kamberi out and two in.


Was a bit strange to spend a fair whack on Doidge, an unknowm, instead of McNulty who we know would be good value. Omeonga would likely have been 1st pick for most fans too. I know we dont have a blank cheque but these guys should have been 1st priority for me. Thats what i find confusing about the recruitment.

[Callum_62]

Was a bit strange to spend a fair whack on Doidge, an unknowm, instead of McNulty who we know would be good value. Omeonga would likely have been 1st pick for most fans too. I know we dont have a blank cheque but these guys should have been 1st priority for me. Thats what i find confusing about the recruitment.Not if mcNulty is 5 x the cost of Doidge

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[Heisenberg]

Was a bit strange to spend a fair whack on Doidge, an unknowm, instead of McNulty who we know would be good value. Omeonga would likely have been 1st pick for most fans too. I know we dont have a blank cheque but these guys should have been 1st priority for me. Thats what i find confusing about the recruitment.

Doidge reportedly cost between £200k-£350k. Reading are apparently being extremely stubborn and not shifting their £1m price tag for McNulty. The manager has also confirmed other teams can and have offered more money for Omeonga than we can afford.

I’ve no doubt these guys were first choice targets but if we can’t afford them then moving on is the only option.

[DetroitHibs]

I thought the idea of getting plenty crosses in was fine. The quality was abysmal. Boyle, Horgan and Whittaker the main culprits.

Agree on 442. Doesn’t suit what we have.

The quality of balls in to the box was absolutely abysmal. After watching the game today it struck me. Paul Hanlon is probably the best crosser of a ball we have. He supplied one cross that was right on the money. I also recall him firing in some great crosses last season when he ventured forward.

[brog]

I totally understand where Speedway is coming from, not there today as i was working after a week off so needed to earn a crust but reading all the comment particularly the 1st half does make you seriously question what's going through the managers mind when setting up his teams, shape and tactics wise.

When teams like Alloa and the like turn up purely to park the bus by cramming the middle and keeping things tight, 4-4-2 is never going to work, Stubbs proved that time and time again in the championship with his diamond formation which struggled to break these teams down. 3 in the middle allows our wide men and wingbacks to get forward and get behind their defence, the tempo also needs to be upped to make this happen.

I'm also slightly worried he's using these games as friendlies to get up to speed, these re competitive games and should be treated as such, especially as there are punters paying to watch their team, I watched the Motherwell game last night and the pace and directness of their players was exactly what i'd expect from a Hibs team, they've recruited quite well and look like a decent shout for a top 6.

I agree Well looked impressive, fast & direct. Interesting though that the MOTM who scored & another goalscorer both came from non league football. According to some on here that automatically means they're keek!

[brog]

Doidge reportedly cost between £200k-£350k. Reading are apparently being extremely stubborn and not shifting their £1m price tag for McNulty. The manager has also confirmed other teams can and have offered more money for Omeonga than we can afford.

I’ve no doubt these guys were first choice targets but if we can’t afford them then moving on is the only option.

You can also guarantee the fee for Doidge will be paid in instalments. Reading reportedly want paid up front to help comply with FFP regs.

[mayo hibee]

I agree Well looked impressive, fast & direct. Interesting though that the MOTM who scored & another goalscorer both came from non league football. According to some on here that automatically means they're keek!

Motherwell's targets are different to ours though, if they can crack the top 6 that'll be a great season for them. If we finish sixth it'll be considered a poor result.

I'm hoping for the best and hope the new lads go well but overall I'm disappointed with the standard of player PH has brought in based on what has been seen so far.

[Heisenberg]

You can also guarantee the fee for Doidge will be paid in instalments. Reading reportedly want paid up front to help comply with FFP regs.

Definitely. I think it’s very harsh to be ridiculing the club because they’ve not signed two players that would cost over £1m up front. The new owner has confirmed the budget has remained the same. If we sell one or two then I think we’ll see McNulty arrive. Sounds like we’ll have too much competition for Omeonga.

[HFC93]

The 'Millerbottom' nickname is akin to the stuff you see on Kickback. Chronic patter.

[JimBHibees]

The 'Millerbottom' nickname is akin to the stuff you see on Kickback. Chronic patter.

Agree utterly chronic.

[Heisenberg]

The 'Millerbottom' nickname is akin to the stuff you see on Kickback. Chronic patter.

Better get used to it. He’ll be kicking the arse out of this new nickname for the foreseeable future.

[Baldy Foghorn]

I thought we were pedestrian in the first half, better in second, when Allan and Murray came on.

I don't think PH knows his strongest 11 as yet, with injuries to a few key players also clouding this.

However, the starting 11 was more than strong enough to maul Alloa, but somehow managed not to play a high pressing game, which infuriates me.

[Speedway]

Better get used to it. He’ll be kicking the arse out of this new nickname for the foreseeable future.

Aye, because the boy's style of play in his team is far more comparable to Guardiola, right enough.

A manager who keeps having to change his formation at half time because his first one didn't work against part timers.

You're alright with this.

Lol.

[Marvellous]

Aye, because the boy's style of play in his team is far more comparable to Guardiola, right enough.

A manager who keeps having to change his formation at half time because his first one didn't work against part timers.

You're alright with this.

Lol.

Aye, Alex Miller and Pep Guardiola are the only two managers you can compare him to, right enough.

Lol indeed.

[GreenCastle]

Aye, because the boy's style of play in his team is far more comparable to Guardiola, right enough.

A manager who keeps having to change his formation at half time because his first one didn't work against part timers.

You're alright with this.

Lol.

This Miller patter is pretty lame.

Watching Hibs since Heckingbottom has come in hasn’t been bad. Watching Hearts play can be brutal with long diagonals to Uche and others feeding off that.

We were lucky to have some very good ball players with McGinn / Fyvie / Dylan and since we lost them we have changed slightly but I don’t see find to boring to watch - more the quality and isn’t as high and movement not as good. But I’ve seen a lot worse.

I think we will go 4-3-3 - 4-5-1 when defending - press high when possible but this isn’t always possible for 90 mins.

We will be able to play out from back and be more direct and get it wide as we have wingers and a target to hit in middle.

As we found out in the championship these other lower teams can be stuffy and even if part time can be fit. They just lack the quality and consistently. But playing Hibs is a cup final for them.

Next 2 games will give us a good idea where we are as Arbroath have been on good form and Newcastle will probably have majority of possession against us.

[Vault Boy]

Just watched the highlights, I'll never get tired of seeing that Tom James goal. Wonderful technique.

[Heisenberg]

Aye, because the boy's style of play in his team is far more comparable to Guardiola, right enough.

A manager who keeps having to change his formation at half time because his first one didn't work against part timers.

You're alright with this.

Lol.

Gash post.

There is an area between those two managers. You’ve decided you are against Heckingbottom already and that’s fine. Hopefully he makes you look like a diddy.

[Smartie]

There were some positives if you wanted to go looking for them.

I thought we knocked it about ok at times, and played a few lovely little 1-2s in wide areas to get in behind their fullbacks. We actually forced a good few decent positions in which to put a decent cross in, and we got ourselves into a good few positions to play a decent through ball - all too often the ball in was poor but there was some decent stuff in there too.

Doidge was all at sea in the first half but much better in the second and his composure and determination to get on the end of the pass for the 1st goal was excellent, whilst others hesitated he made it his own.

The centre halves worked well as a pair and snuffed out anything that went their way.

Boyle and Horgan were quick, busy and whilst their end product was often poor I think they look like a nightmare for fullbacks to play against. Certainly they are the types of player you don't like lining up against you. If Doidge is able to get his head on a cross, I think he'll get a good few chances from this pair.

I liked the look of James. Quietly competent, he looked like he was filling in rather than a natural LB but he made no mistakes, took his goal well and linked well with other players at times, whilst looking safe defensively.

When we needed to raise our game in the second half, we were able to do so and piled on pressure. Alloa wouldn't have had any complaints if it had been 4 or 5 during the second half, even if they did a good job at snuffing us out in the first half.

[Borderhibbie76]

I thought the idea of getting plenty crosses in was fine. The quality was abysmal. Boyle, Horgan and Whittaker the main culprits.

Agree on 442. Doesn’t suit what we have.That was exactly the problem...the crossing from those 3 was at best abysmal

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[Speedway]

Just watched the highlights, I'll never get tired of seeing that Tom James goal. Wonderful technique.

It was a cracking finish. He knew where he was putting it before he touched it,

[Borderhibbie76]

Was a bit strange to spend a fair whack on Doidge, an unknowm, instead of McNulty who we know would be good value. Omeonga would likely have been 1st pick for most fans too. I know we dont have a blank cheque but these guys should have been 1st priority for me. Thats what i find confusing about the recruitment.Not really that strange...for 1 Doidge to me looks like he will be better as a solo front man with 2 wide men in a 4 3 3 which looks like it will be our go to formation this season. Secondly Doidge cost less than a 1/4 of what McNulty is currently valued at by Reading...so not really strange at all??

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[Northernhibee]

Aye, because the boy's style of play in his team is far more comparable to Guardiola, right enough.

A manager who keeps having to change his formation at half time because his first one didn't work against part timers.

You're alright with this.

Lol.
An improvement from our last manager who would start with the wrong formation, CMs at RB and would be too stubborn to change it.

Heckingbottom was the reason we were top six rather than doing a Butcher all over again and deserves time to figure out how the new players fit in and what formations we can effectively play.

[Allant1981]

An improvement from our last manager who would start with the wrong formation, CMs at RB and would be too stubborn to change it.

Heckingbottom was the reason we were top six rather than doing a Butcher all over again and deserves time to figure out how the new players fit in and what formations we can effectively play.

Theres no point, he is itching for the manager to fail

[Heisenberg]

An improvement from our last manager who would start with the wrong formation, CMs at RB and would be too stubborn to change it.

Heckingbottom was the reason we were top six rather than doing a Butcher all over again and deserves time to figure out how the new players fit in and what formations we can effectively play.

The manager figures out when it’s not working, changes it to win the game and still gets stick for it. If we are starting league games with Mallan and Campbell as our midfield two I’ll be worried.

[04Sauzee]

I like Doidge

There said it

[Heisenberg]

I like Doidge

There said it

So do I. Good finish yesterday and did well second half. Flo needs to up his game massively.

[Allant1981]

I like Doidge

There said it

He puts himself about as well as looking to bring others into the move, think he will do well for us as the season goes on

[Since452]

I like Doidge

There said it

I'll second that

[SideBurns]

Was the header Doidge put away offside? Didn't look like it from where I was sitting.

[eastterrace]

Was the header Doidge put away offside? Didn't look like it from where I was sitting.
I thought he was onside as sure he ran onto the ball with his head, but didn’t have great view of the angle I sat at.

[Robbo6-2]

The team that starts on Tuesday I think will be the team that starts vs St Mirren and at that point Hecky will know his first 11

[BILLYHIBS]

I can’t put my finger on it but Doidge reminds me of Keith Houchen

A blast from the past! 😁

[04Sauzee]

I can’t put my finger on it but Doidge reminds me of Keith Houchen

A blast from the past! 😁

Think it's just the reported fee paid for both that's similar 😁

[brog]

Aye, because the boy's style of play in his team is far more comparable to Guardiola, right enough.

A manager who keeps having to change his formation at half time because his first one didn't work against part timers.

You're alright with this.

Lol.

I remember a manager who changed his formation & brought on 2 substitutes not too long ago. 25 minutes later we won the Cup! I think it's a strength that PH recognises he may have got it wrong. Some on here said PH would always only play 1 up front. We started with 2 up front & 2 wingers yesterday. It didn't work so he changed it & we won! Hard to see why that would be a negative for the manager.

[Billy Whizz]

As an aside, do BT have a highlights programme showing all yesterday’s games?
I can watch Hibs one, but would like to see all the other goals?

[04Sauzee]

As an aside, do BT have a highlights programme showing all yesterday’s games?
I can watch Hibs one, but would like to see all the other goals?

They should but I don't actually think they do

[SHODAN]

I like Doidge

There said it

How dare you!

[cabbageandribs1875]

so

the Bees stung the Wasps eh

[A Hi-Bee]

Having gone to the game yesterday to see for myself, no matter what kind of spin gets put on things this was a poor display, marginally better when Allan and Murray came on, but a very insipid display of football for the small crowd, which understandably turned on the players at H.T. The individual booing at Whittaker was just out of order.
I don’t hold out much expectation for what could be a long and hard season, don’t think to many teams will be worrying about playing Hibs and no Premiership Centre halfs will loose any sleep over playing against Doidge, (He is not even an improvement on Simon Murray) this team is at the moment less of a team than we had last year for sure.
In my humble if we say we could do without McNulty and Omeongs and throw in Jason Cummings as well then its delusional.
They may start to perform better who knows but that side yesterday had no real fight about them, and the left back of Alloa looked a handy player.
I usually try and no say much when I am not at a game don’t really see how comments can be made if no there of course we can all moan about a result as you don’t need to be there to moan about that. Unless taken from here or bbc or some other false news place.

[maturehibby]

I think we have the new "TANK" here

[Brightside]

At least we aren’t losing to Cambridge.

[007]

At least we aren’t losing to Cambridge.

How to minimise the fans going nuts over friendly results - play them behind closed doors. Then, if you lose, don't even mention it on the website or Twitter and hopefully the fans will think it was basically just a kick about.

[Ozyhibby]

I like Doidge

There said it

Me too. 2nd half yesterday I thought he played well. Less keen on the rest of the new signings though.
Is Vella likely to feature on Tuesday? Centre mid was a real weakness, especially first half.


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[Brightside]

Me too. 2nd half yesterday I thought he played well. Less keen on the rest of the new signings though.
Is Vella likely to feature on Tuesday? Centre mid was a real weakness, especially first half.


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Yes

[CRAZYHIBBY]

Any highlights

[Billy Whizz]

Any highlights

On hibs TV Freeview

[Lancs Harp]

Obviously its a competitive match but its pretty clear Hecky is treating it as pre season, (why else would you leave your best players like Allen out) many coaches north and south of the border treat early stages of the "league cup" ties as such.

A successful pre season for me isnt about the results in those games its about the results in a first few opening league games. thats the measure of how successful pre season was. As I said whether the early stages of the League Cup qualify as pre season is open to debate, they arent for me as the Betfred represents a great opportunity to win silverware, but many coaches treat them as pre season friendlies and I'm pretty sure Hecky is in that camp looking at the teams and tactics he has put out so far.

See you at Hampden in December :wink:

Choose life
Choose Hibs

[Iggy Pope]

Obviously its a competitive match but its pretty clear Hecky is treating it as pre season, (why else would you leave your best players like Allen out) many coaches north and south of the border treat early stages of the "league cup" ties as such.

A successful pre season for me isnt about the results in those games its about the results in a first few opening league games. thats the measure of how successful pre season was. As I said whether the early stages of the League Cup qualify as pre season is open to debate, they arent for me as the Betfred represents a great opportunity to win silverware, but many coaches treat them as pre season friendlies and I'm pretty sure Hecky is in that camp looking at the teams and tactics he has put out so far.

See you at Hampden in December :wink:

Choose life
Choose Hibs

Now that’s a nice post.

[MWHIBBIES]

Obviously its a competitive match but its pretty clear Hecky is treating it as pre season, (why else would you leave your best players like Allen out) many coaches north and south of the border treat early stages of the "league cup" ties as such.

A successful pre season for me isnt about the results in those games its about the results in a first few opening league games. thats the measure of how successful pre season was. As I said whether the early stages of the League Cup qualify as pre season is open to debate, they arent for me as the Betfred represents a great opportunity to win silverware, but many coaches treat them as pre season friendlies and I'm pretty sure Hecky is in that camp looking at the teams and tactics he has put out so far.

See you at Hampden in December :wink:

Choose life
Choose Hibs

Honestly, Allan was really poor vs Stirling Albion, it didn't surprise me to see him out

[Iggy Pope]

Honestly, Allan was really poor vs Stirling Albion, it didn't surprise me to see him out

He didn’t look like he was 100 % fit when he came on at Arbroath or Carlisle but he was effective. He wasn’t great in 90mins against Stirling Albion. He was very effective when he came on yesterday. Selection process I suppose, they’re all getting minutes.

[Lancs Harp]

Honestly, Allan was really poor vs Stirling Albion, it didn't surprise me to see him out

But he's obviously one of if not our key player. Pre season (argue to our hearts content whether the early stages for the League cup are included in this but its pretty obvious to me thats our managers thinking) preseason (sorry im including the early stages of the League cup in this) are all about miles in legs, new player becoming acquainted and trying new things. We beat St Mirren 3-0 on August 3rd and no on cares about a lack lustre 2-0 win over Alloa in mid July.


We're still better than Hearts, Killie are going one way and it isnt up. Believe, we are top four.

[Cod Boy]

Should get 3 points first game of season St Mirren are hardly setting there group alight.

[BILLYHIBS]

Scott Allan along with young Murray were outstanding when they came on yesterday
Scott Allan versus Stirling Albion started brightly but tired second half and nothing seemed to be coming off for him
I wondered if it was to do with fitness, match practice or managing his condition?
Anyway he was back to his best second half yesterday just needs to keep it going for ninety minutes
Welcome home Scott

[SHODAN]

Tom James' goal was quite something.

[The 90+2]

Tom James' goal was quite something.

Hopefully not unusual 🙈

[brog]

[QUOTE=Hibees1973;5852718]Again, early days but my mood has not improved after today.

it is the easiest thing to do to criticise but it is difficult to get out of this mindset after what I have seen so far from Hibs.

I was shot down in flames last week by a couple of posters for saying that ‘can anyone categorically say that any of our new signings are better than we already have’.


You're not getting shot down for your opinion, (you may well be correct, though hopefully not,) but because it's impossible to say anything "categorically" when only 5 players have actually had 2 full competitive matches & Tom James is the only new signing in this category. At this time 2 years ago we had a striker who was top scorer in Britain with 11 goals in his 1st 7 matches. Four months on & that striker, Simon Murray, never started another game for us! I'll save my opinion, categorical or not, until the players are bedded in & I've had an opportunity to properly see them in action.

[007]

Didn't think Doidge's header was offside at the time, was anyone in line with it that can say for certain one way or the other?

Hibs TV coverage is inconclusive as you don't see the cross getting put in but he looks onside just as the ball is coming to him.

[JimBHibees]

Didn't think Doidge's header was offside at the time, was anyone in line with it that can say for certain one way or the other?

Hibs TV coverage is inconclusive as you don't see the cross getting put in but he looks onside just as the ball is coming to him.

My son was in line with it said it was off.

[Inconsequential]

Hopefully not unusual 🙈 Yes hopefully many more on the Green, Green Grass of Home. :wink:

[brog]

Didn't think Doidge's header was offside at the time, was anyone in line with it that can say for certain one way or the other?

Hibs TV coverage is inconclusive as you don't see the cross getting put in but he looks onside just as the ball is coming to him.

Theres s better view on pitchside highlights but still inconclusive. Interestingly the Alloa players, including the one possibly playing him on, didn't appeal for offside.

[matty_f]

https://youtu.be/eOngQd0iY20

Extended highlights from Alloa’s Youtube.

[007]

My son was in line with it said it was off.


Theres s better view on pitchside highlights but still inconclusive. Interestingly the Alloa players, including the one possibly playing him on, didn't appeal for offside.

Thanks.

Have just watched the Alloa YouTube highlights from the link posted by matty f which have a better view and it does look like he's just off.

[Hermit Crab]

https://youtu.be/eOngQd0iY20

Extended highlights from Alloa’s Youtube.


That miss from SW is even worse seeing it from that angle. Horrendous.