Cineworld not showing "Robert The Bruce" film

[Fife-Hibee]

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/robert-the-bruce-actor-and-snp-mp-slam-cineworld-over-chain-s-ban-on-new-film-1-4956190

Clearly they don't value our business in Scotland.

[Pretty Boy]

If it's as bad as Braveheart it's probably a blessing.

[Fife-Hibee]

If it's as bad as Braveheart it's probably a blessing.

Bad in your opinion perhaps. But not objectively speaking taking millions of ratings and reviews into account.

[marinello59]

If it's as bad as Braveheart it's probably a blessing.

Braveheart did at least have some decent comedy moments. When it comes to playing fast and loose with Scottish history in the movies I doubt that David Niven’s Bonnie Prince Charlie will ever be topped. :greengrin

This does seem an odd decision by Cineworld. If everybody flocks to the Vue to see it then it’s going to go down as a major commercial miscalculation. Time will tell.

[Fife-Hibee]

Braveheart did at least have some decent comedy moments. When it comes to playing fast and loose with Scottish history in the movies I doubt that David Niven’s Bonnie Prince Charlie will ever be topped. :greengrin

This does seem an odd decision by Cineworld. If everybody flocks to the Vue to see it then it’s going to go down as a major commercial miscalculation. Time will tell.

From what i've heard from those who have seen the pre-release of Robert The Bruce. It's nothing like Braveheart. It's far less action oriented and focuses on an historic account of his recovery with a family whose clan was aligned with England. It's far less Hollywood from what I can gather.

[marinello59]

From what i've heard from those who have seen the pre-release of Robert The Bruce. It's nothing like Braveheart. It's far less action oriented and focuses on an historic account of his recovery with a family whose clan was aligned with England. It's far less Hollywood from what I can gather.

The fact it’s less Hollywood might be the problem Cineworld has with it. I don’t think the Outlaw King broke any box office records last year either.

[Fife-Hibee]

The fact it’s less Hollywood might be the problem Cineworld has with it. I don’t think the Outlaw King broke any box office records last year either.

Should have been less Hollywood then. :wink:

[Just Jimmy]

Will Cineworld be banished to England when the independence has come?

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[Fife-Hibee]

Will Cineworld be banished to England when the independence has come?

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Only if Tunnocks follows them! :grr:

[heretoday]

If it's as bad as Braveheart it's probably a blessing.

I'd like to see it for the terrible Scots accents though. Worth the entry fee alone.

[RyeSloan]

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/robert-the-bruce-actor-and-snp-mp-slam-cineworld-over-chain-s-ban-on-new-film-1-4956190

Clearly they don't value our business in Scotland.

AUOB covering themselves in glory with their tweet there. It sounds like something you might have written Fife! [emoji6][emoji6]

[Sir David Gray]

Kilmarnock MSP Willie Coffey claimed that the Cineworld decision would 'bring thousands to the cause of independence,'

:faf:

[Fife-Hibee]

Kilmarnock MSP Willie Coffey claimed that the Cineworld decision would 'bring thousands to the cause of independence,'

:faf:

Perhaps not. But it does put Cineworld at odds with large swathes of the populous in Scotland. Imagine throwing hundreds of thousands, if not millions of pounds down the gutter, just to show us all how staunch they are.

[Slavers]

Perhaps not. But it does put Cineworld at odds with large swathes of the populous in Scotland. Imagine throwing hundreds of thousands, if not millions of pounds down the gutter, just to show us all how staunch they are.

I put to you that no one really gives a **** about it except fanatical nationalists!

[Hibrandenburg]

I put to you that no one really gives a **** about it except fanatical nationalists!

I'd agree.

[Smartie]

I'm of a nationalist persuasion, and I'm perfectly happy for any cinema company to choose which films they show or don't show in their Scottish cinemas.

Personally I don't like the AUOB comments and don't see the cause of independence being advanced by looking for sentiments that may not exist on behalf of the Cineworld decision makers.

[NAE NOOKIE]

If it's as bad as Braveheart it's probably a blessing.

I suppose it depends on what you are looking for. If its entertainment Braveheart was a brilliant film, if for nothing else the music which was top notch and the performance of Patrick McGoohan who made a brilliant baddie. If its historical accuracy you want it was dire :greengrin

In fact probably the most accurate thing in Braveheart was a Scottish 'noble' with an English accent ( Robert the Bruce ) coz lets face it, when was the last time anybody heard a Scotsman with an inherited title with a Scottish accent :faf:

As for Cineworld … It seems like a strange decision not to at least show the film in the country where its most likely to generate the most interest, but even as a nationalist I cant say I'll be getting my knickers in a twist over this.

[Mibbes Aye]

Personally disappointed because I was up all last night working on my “Down with this sort of thing” placard.

[Wilson]

Personally disappointed because I was up all last night working on my “Down with this sort of thing” placard.

Careful now.

[Pretty Boy]

I'd like to see it for the terrible Scots accents though. Worth the entry fee alone.

My favourite Braveheart moment was William Gibson 1st appearing as an adult with his perfectly conditioned and blow dried hair, a little flick of those flowing locks and a glance at the camera.

Acting at it's finest.

[Fife-Hibee]

Are we just going to pretend that this decision isn't purely a political one? Obviously it's up to the owners of Cineworld what movies they show. But let's not kid ourselves pretending that politics didn't play a hand in this decision. They'll lose revenue in Scotland because of this.

[Slavers]

Are we just going to pretend that this decision isn't purely a political one? Obviously it's up to the owners of Cineworld what movies they show. But let's not kid ourselves pretending that politics didn't play a hand in this decision. They'll lose revenue in Scotland because of this.

I think your at the wind up!? Who outside just a small bunch nationalist fanatics care? No one, I'm surprised the film has not just went straight to DVD or Netflix.

Also, please tell me you boycotted Tunnocks?

You are raging about this aren't you? Maybe it was Boris planning ahead and been on the phone to Cineworld telling them to quell the uprising in the North.

I really hope I see in the media you and a bunch of nationalists protesting outside Cineworld dressed in full battle kilt with face painted like Mel Gibson in Braveheart waving saltires charging at the doors of Cineworld demanding justice for Scotland!!

[speedy_gonzales]

Are we just going to pretend that this decision isn't purely a political one? Obviously it's up to the owners of Cineworld what movies they show. But let's not kid ourselves pretending that politics didn't play a hand in this decision. They'll lose revenue in Scotland because of this.
Really, political, not a business decision?
Do you wear a tin-foil hat?
The film is not banned, a large cinema chain has chosen not to show a low budget movie.
Happens all the time.
Other cinemas will show it so nobody will miss out.

[The Modfather]

The fact it’s less Hollywood might be the problem Cineworld has with it. I don’t think the Outlaw King broke any box office records last year either.

Braveheart is trash, but entertaining nonetheless. I really liked The Outlaw King, although quite why they took a good effort at historical accuracy and storytelling to then go all Hollywood at the end and have both kings fighting each other 1 on 1 in the middle of a battle while the armies watch was bizzare

[speedy_gonzales]

Braveheart is trash, but entertaining nonetheless. I really liked The Outlaw King, although quite why they took a good effort at historical accuracy and storytelling to then go all Hollywood at the end and have both kings fighting each other 1 on 1 in the middle of a battle while the armies watch was bizzare

FFS,,,, spoiler alert!

[JeMeSouviens]

Aw naw. I was in cineworld today watching Toy Story 4. Missed my chance to storm the screen and chuck the Icee of FREEDOM!

[Mr Grieves]

Really, political, not a business decision?
Do you wear a tin-foil hat?
The film is not banned, a large cinema chain has chosen not to show a low budget movie.
Happens all the time.
Other cinemas will show it so nobody will miss out.

To be fair, politicians getting involved in stuff like this isn't that far fetched

www.scotsman.com/arts-and-culture/tv-radio/david-cameron-met-sony-over-outlander-uk-release-1-3747339/amp

[speedy_gonzales]

To be fair, politicians getting involved in stuff like this isn't that far fetched

www.scotsman.com/arts-and-culture/tv-radio/david-cameron-met-sony-over-outlander-uk-release-1-3747339/amp

The conspiracy theory kinda falls short when other cinemas chains and independents are showing the movie though?

[RyeSloan]

Are we just going to pretend that this decision isn't purely a political one? Obviously it's up to the owners of Cineworld what movies they show. But let's not kid ourselves pretending that politics didn't play a hand in this decision. They'll lose revenue in Scotland because of this.

Just for fun let’s break this statement down:

“Are we just going to pretend that this decision isn't purely a political one?”

Nope, no one needs to pretend anything as it’s patently obvious that the decision is not PURELY a political one. It’s not even close to anything like a political decision but 100% you can be sure it’s not purely political.


“Obviously it's up to the owners of Cineworld what movies they show”

What? Wait...no interference or outside influences brought to near then? You better inform AUOB of that fact as clearly they think otherwise. And thanks to the mini outrage some people now think it’s not just down to the cinema owners what they show...


“But let's not kid ourselves pretending that politics didn't play a hand in this decision”

So from purely a political decision to politics just ‘playing a hand’ in the space of 3 sentences. Impressive.

And just what politics were playing this devious hand. What was the cunning outcome of this plan and what does Cineworld and politics have in common? Oh and while we are at it do they have any past record of being involved in Scottish / UK politics at all? Previous history of deliberately not showing movies about historical Scots? And finally what does an company that operates in multiple countries even care about Scottish independence to be so politically motivated over a low budget movie?

“They'll lose revenue in Scotland because of this”

How do you know? How much will they lose? What film are they showing instead? Maybe extra screenings of Toy Story 4 will make them much more dough. And maybe no one barring a few foaming tin foil hat Indy supporters give a toss and the rest of the country will just go to their local cinema as normal?

[NAE NOOKIE]

I think your at the wind up!? Who outside just a small bunch nationalist fanatics care? No one, I'm surprised the film has not just went straight to DVD or Netflix.

Also, please tell me you boycotted Tunnocks?

You are raging about this aren't you? Maybe it was Boris planning ahead and been on the phone to Cineworld telling them to quell the uprising in the North.

I really hope I see in the media you and a bunch of nationalists protesting outside Cineworld dressed in full battle kilt with face painted like Mel Gibson in Braveheart waving saltires charging at the doors of Cineworld demanding justice for Scotland!!

There's reasonable evidence that David Cameron tried to influence the makers of Outlander to delay its release date prior to the 2014 referendum, so lets not pretend that politicians and businesses who have their own political view don't appreciate the dangers or influence of films and the like which might encourage folk to bend to a particular political view or bolster already held views.

Even though I don't think there's anything remotely political behind what Cineworld have done its hardly surprising that given form like that regarding TV and cinema folk might take the view that ideology rather than commercialism could have been behind the decision. That assertion is almost certainly wrong, but given stuff like the make up of the question time audience etc its hardly as laughable a notion as you make out, or surprising that folk jump to conclusions.

What is just as amusing to me is your belittling of the guy you quoted and the sheer delight you are taking in jumping on this to paint nationalists as a load of paranoid crackpots. I attended the AUOB march in Galashiels recently and the article covering it in the local paper was accompanied by a picture of a man and woman in the sort of attire which folk like you would have delighted in laughing at … they were the epitome of a cartoonists idea of eccentric Scottish nationalists … but they were two people and for everybody like them in the 5000 turnout there was a hundred like me, just ordinary men and women showing support for what they believe in without feeling the need to dress like extras from Kidnapped or Braveheart.

The publishers of the local paper aren't exactly known for their support for independence and it wasn't lost on us that choosing that picture out of the hundreds they took that day wasn't exactly calculated to show the march in a good light. This belittling of the nationalist movement as being entirely populated by crackpots, eccentrics and at its worst xenophobes is a fairly common feature of the tactics used by unionists against it and IMO your last paragraph is in that ball park. That's far from the reality, but the fact that unionists cant or refuse to accept that is no bad thing because you are going to laugh yourselves straight into a UK minus Scotland.

[Slavers]

There's reasonable evidence that David Cameron tried to influence the makers of Outlander to delay its release date prior to the 2014 referendum, so lets not pretend that politicians and businesses who have their own political view don't appreciate the dangers or influence of films and the like which might encourage folk to bend to a particular political view or bolster already held views.

Even though I don't think there's anything remotely political behind what Cineworld have done its hardly surprising that given form like that regarding TV and cinema folk might take the view that ideology rather than commercialism could have been behind the decision. That assertion is almost certainly wrong, but given stuff like the make up of the question time audience etc its hardly as laughable a notion as you make out, or surprising that folk jump to conclusions.

What is just as amusing to me is your belittling of the guy you quoted and the sheer delight you are taking in jumping on this to paint nationalists as a load of paranoid crackpots. I attended the AUOB march in Galashiels recently and the article covering it in the local paper was accompanied by a picture of a man and woman in the sort of attire which folk like you would have delighted in laughing at … they were the epitome of a cartoonists idea of eccentric Scottish nationalists … but they were two people and for everybody like them in the 5000 turnout there was a hundred like me, just ordinary men and women showing support for what they believe in without feeling the need to dress like extras from Kidnapped or Braveheart.

The publishers of the local paper aren't exactly known for their support for independence and it wasn't lost on us that choosing that picture out of the hundreds they took that day wasn't exactly calculated to show the march in a good light. This belittling of the nationalist movement as being entirely populated by crackpots, eccentrics and at its worst xenophobes is a fairly common feature of the tactics used by unionists against it and IMO your last paragraph is in that ball park. That's far from the reality, but the fact that unionists cant or refuse to accept that is no bad thing because you are going to laugh yourselves straight into a UK minus Scotland.

Of the 5000 that attended how many would you say go to every rally? Id take a guess at well over 60% of people go to every rally it's mostly all the same faces at them.

I work besides someone who goes and every time there is a rally her and the family go to it. She is a lovely woman to be fair but she also gives the impression it's a bit of a piss up. They go to many pubs in the area and get the faces painted wave flags have a gid bevy and do the march.

It does not sound a bad day to be fair but I do think these marches are for a sizable proportion a big day out for folk who want independece and like a bevy. Some of the chat in the office is a bit like Fifes- everything is a unionist conspiracy and I fully expect to go in today and be asked what I think about Cineworld not showing the film.

She was also put in charge of heading up the activities for the summer party where colleagues from all over the UK come to our office to have a bbq and play fun games and drink. She has decided this year that it will be team event Scotland Vs England and thats a what it is. The MD said at the all hands meeting he thought we were all one company together but obviously not, I suspect this idea was born out of trying In someway to further the independent cause.

How many threads are started on independence that put across a positive point compared to a message of injustice or grievances?

If a positive case was made for independence I'd be more inclined to listen to it but threads about how terrible it is that Cineworld is not showing Robert the Bruce is a real turn of for me and just goes to reinforce the view that the independence movement is filled with paranoid grievance hunters just looking out for any thing, anything at all where they can say see look how oppressed we are.

I'm laughing at it because how else should I react?

[Northernhibee]

As I say I’d be probable to vote yes a second time around but my god is the Scottish nationalist movement it’s own worst enemy sometimes.

[Callum_62]

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[Fife-Hibee]

I stand by what I said. If David Cameron was able to twist the arm of Sony not to release Outlander in the UK until after the referendum, then how can anybody confidently determine that there hasn't been political influence here as well? Perhaps they attempted to approach other cinemas as well but were turned away? Nobody can really claim to know one way or another.

People are quick to shout "conspiracy nut" at people who dare to ask questions, then completely ignore/forget the times when it turns out that they were indeed correct in their "conspiracies" all along.

[speedy_gonzales]

I stand by what I said. If David Cameron was able to twist the arm of Sony not to release Outlander in the UK until after the referendum, then how can anybody confidently determine that there hasn't been political influence here as well? Perhaps they attempted to approach other cinemas as well but were turned away? Nobody can really claim to know one way or another.

People are quick to shout "conspiracy nut" at people who dare to ask questions, then completely ignore/forget the times when it turns out that they were indeed correct in their "conspiracies" all along.

Did this actually happen though? I'm aware Sony execs met with various UK diplomats/ministers at the time, a lot was discussed including setting up a studio and further investment in the UK film industry (most probably identifying tax relief). The email that was released as part of the Sony Co hack mentioned a discussion was to have been held but the content of that discussion remains unknown.
The reason I remember the facts of the day is because my wife wanted to watch the series, family in the US had raved about it but it wasn't available here to watch our stream. In the end I downloaded it,,,,, thought it was all a bit meh if I'm honest!

[Fife-Hibee]

Did this actually happen though? I'm aware Sony execs met with various UK diplomats/ministers at the time, a lot was discussed including setting up a studio and further investment in the UK film industry (most probably identifying tax relief). The email that was released as part of the Sony Co hack mentioned a discussion was to have been held but the content of that discussion remains unknown.
The reason I remember the facts of the day is because my wife wanted to watch the series, family in the US had raved about it but it wasn't available here to watch our stream. In the end I downloaded it,,,,, thought it was all a bit meh if I'm honest!

The email specifically stated that it was about discussing the release date of the series opener. Now why do you suppose a company like Sony would need to convene with David Cameron over the release date of their series? Is it standard practice in the UK for major studios to discuss the date release of TV series with the UK Prime Minister?

[speedy_gonzales]

The email specifically stated that it was about discussing the release date of the series opener. Now why do you suppose a company like Sony would need to convene with David Cameron over the release date of their series? Is it standard practice in the UK for major studios to discuss the date release of TV series with the UK Prime Minister?

Do you have a copy of the email text to back this fact up?
From links on this thread;
"The email states [sic]: “From a SPE [Sony Pictures Entertainment] perspective, your meeting with Prime Minister Cameron on Monday will likely focus on our overall investment in the U.K. - with special emphasis on...the importance of OUTLANDER (i.e. particularly vis-à-vis the political issues in the U.K. as Scotland contemplates detachment this Fall).”

Will likely focus on our overall investment,,,,

Re the "political issues", I've no idea what Sony thought the issue was, gerrymandering? Regardless, their internal email suggests they were the ones reaching out to the ministers, there's nothing to say it was the other way around.

[Beefster]

Vue aren’t showing Apollo 11 in Scotland. I had to go to Cineworld to see it (in IMAX btw, ‘twas awesome). I kind of feel like I’ve missed a trick by attending another cinema and not starting a Twitter campaign against Vue instead.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Of the 5000 that attended how many would you say go to every rally? Id take a guess at well over 60% of people go to every rally it's mostly all the same faces at them.

I work besides someone who goes and every time there is a rally her and the family go to it. She is a lovely woman to be fair but she also gives the impression it's a bit of a piss up. They go to many pubs in the area and get the faces painted wave flags have a gid bevy and do the march.

It does not sound a bad day to be fair but I do think these marches are for a sizable proportion a big day out for folk who want independece and like a bevy. Some of the chat in the office is a bit like Fifes- everything is a unionist conspiracy and I fully expect to go in today and be asked what I think about Cineworld not showing the film.

She was also put in charge of heading up the activities for the summer party where colleagues from all over the UK come to our office to have a bbq and play fun games and drink. She has decided this year that it will be team event Scotland Vs England and thats a what it is. The MD said at the all hands meeting he thought we were all one company together but obviously not, I suspect this idea was born out of trying In someway to further the independent cause.

How many threads are started on independence that put across a positive point compared to a message of injustice or grievances?

If a positive case was made for independence I'd be more inclined to listen to it but threads about how terrible it is that Cineworld is not showing Robert the Bruce is a real turn of for me and just goes to reinforce the view that the independence movement is filled with paranoid grievance hunters just looking out for any thing, anything at all where they can say see look how oppressed we are.

I'm laughing at it because how else should I react?

Your first bit is absolutely correct, there are many people who go to more than one AUOB rally every year and a few who go to them all. But at the one I attended I met a good few people I know personally who I didn't even know were into Scottish independence to the extent they were willing to show public support for it … especially in the region of Scotland least known for its independence leanings. But when you see the numbers turning out for the big city marches its certain the vast majority aren't regulars.

As for your work colleague, that's one person. My walking football team has a number of English members and nobody in 4 years has ever suggested we play Scotland v England … does that make us all unionists?

As it is I agree with your last paragraph and so does every independence blogger worth the name. To be annoyed that a film you want to see might not be getting shown in your local cinema is reasonable, to immediately spring to the conclusion that the decision is politically motivated without taking into account simple economics … IE that the chain didn't see it as a UK wide money maker … isn't.

The strategy that will be followed by the independence movement in the next few years will be to make a positive case for independence … have a look at any indy blog or website lately and that's the drum being banged, its not enough just to say why not being part of the UK is a good thing, its to say why being an independent country is a positive thing for Scotland.

Personally I have to admit that folk dressed like William Wallace or Bonnie Prince Charlie or in Tartan Army like attire shouting 'freeeedom' at AUOB rallies or anywhere else for that matter get on my sodding tits and so do folk who go off half cocked on subjects like this film. The independence movement has worked hard to be taken seriously over the last few decades and to distance itself from the paramilitary wing of the white heather club and delusional romantics full of anti English / UK paranoia ideologists it was perceived to be populated by.

It has been very successful in that aim IMO … but the few who still cling to the cartoon image are the ones whose pictures and opinions make it into the staunchly unionist main stream media because they suit their agenda perfectly and provides ammunition for people who love to ridicule us as they do. But as I alluded to in my previous post, it would be a bad idea for unionists to actually put all of their eggs into that particular basket … the evidence is pretty overwhelming that while they flog the dead horse of trying to turn it into a joke the independence movement is starting to ride its one towards the winning line.

I'll finish by saying that whether or not the decision over this film was political is neither here nor there in the grand scheme of things … the evidence that the BBC and especially the written press has an anti independence agenda which the BBC tries to hide and not very successfully and the press doesn't try to hide at all is pretty overwhelming.

[Allant1981]

Some cineworld venues are now going to be showing the film.

[lyonhibs]

I'll bet the film is absolute murder. No one with a real life to concern themselves with and occupy their time and energy cares about this. At all.

[Fife-Hibee]

I'll bet the film is absolute murder. No one with a real life to concern themselves with and occupy their time and energy cares about this. At all.

It's really not. It's just being voted down by trolls at the moment who have never even seen it.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8000908/ratings?ref_=tt_ov_rt

[WeeRussell]

Cineworld can show whatever the f*** they want as far as I'm concerned. But Braveheart was quality cinema :agree:

[hibbybob]

It's really not. It's just being voted down by trolls at the moment who have never even seen it.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8000908/ratings?ref_=tt_ov_rt

I wasn't impressed - probably the worst film I've seen for a while. 3/10 from me!

[Fife-Hibee]

I wasn't impressed - probably the worst film I've seen for a while. 3/10 from me!

1/10 from this guy, who totally went to see it of course!

https://i.ibb.co/YfDr129/lol.png

[RyeSloan]

It's really not. It's just being voted down by trolls at the moment who have never even seen it.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8000908/ratings?ref_=tt_ov_rt

Apart from the fact that the critics reviews top out at 3/5 and a number of them give it 1/5 and 2/5.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/robert_the_bruce/reviews

So in other words at best an average film, at worst a crock o crap.

[StevieC]

Has anyone actually been to see it yet?

[allmodcons]

Has anyone actually been to see it yet?

I have. It was, at best, average.

Was also rather embarrassing to see one or two individuals sitting watching the movie in their 'Yes2' tee-shirts :rolleyes:

[James310]

I have. It was, at best, average.

Was also rather embarrassing to see one or two individuals sitting watching the movie in their 'Yes2' tee-shirts :rolleyes:

I can imagine, seeing as there was never a Yes1. How embarrassing.