Man united in for SJM [Archive] - Page 2

JeMeSouviens

01-07-2019, 10:20 AM

I think the Sun where eves dropping and mistook 15 for 50 million.

If anyone paid £50 million for McGinn at this stage of his career they need help. Having said that I think he is a great player and who knows maybe one day £50 million will be realistic but definitely not now.

I agree, if Villa were looking to sell they might get £15M. But if Villa don't want to sell then the only way to get him is by going well over the odds.

Michael

01-07-2019, 10:25 AM

Someone actually paying it?

He's worth £30m to Burnley. That qualifies him as a £30m player in my eyes.

Here’s Lucy!

01-07-2019, 10:27 AM

You should be more concerned that your team lost 2-0 v Arbroath.

Not necessary.

All the poster did was post their opinion. Theres no need for the Hearts fan accusations imo. For what its worth I agree that McGinn is not worth £50m either. Does that make me a Hearts fan?

Ta, that’s exactly what I did, and nothing more. :aok:

Actually thought twice about posting it as I suspected I might get the ‘yam’ stuff but, hey ho, it’s a football forum and I’m entitled to my opinion.

As I said last night, love SJM but the price being bandied about, is quite frankly laughable.

Scouse Hibee

01-07-2019, 10:30 AM

He's worth £30m to Burnley. That qualifies him as a £30m player in my eyes.

They have valued him at £30m he will only become a £30m player if someone pays it. Look back through records of transfer fees, they are just that, records of what was actually paid relating to a players worth.

Barman Stanton

01-07-2019, 10:31 AM

Someone actually paying it?

Who says someone wont? Its up to the owning club to decide the value of the player. If they say he is a 30M player then he is. You may rate him at 20M, but if that doesnt land you the player then he is not a 20M player is he.

HFC93

01-07-2019, 10:38 AM

Not necessary.

Ta, that’s exactly what I did, and nothing more. :aok:

Actually thought twice about posting it as I suspected I might get the ‘yam’ stuff but, hey ho, it’s a football forum and I’m entitled to my opinion.

As I said last night, love SJM but the price being bandied about, is quite frankly laughable.

Out of interest, what do you think McGinn is worth in today’s market?

hibsitis

01-07-2019, 10:54 AM

Who says someone wont? Its up to the owning club to decide the value of the player. If they say he is a 30M player then he is. You may rate him at 20M, but if that doesnt land you the player then he is not a 20M player is he.

It's not a matter of whether someone may pay £30m, it's a matter of when they do. The valuation tends to be a function of the player's salary and length of time left on the contract. Only competition tends to inflate that. Hibs could have valued SJM at £10 but no one would have paid it without competition and even then the bidding would have started at 2m. If MU offer £50m, that reflects Villa's unwillingness to do business at a list level and to knock out competition. If the bid comes, he's a £50m player and if it doesn't, he's not. It's only a fact when it happens.

Michael

01-07-2019, 10:56 AM

They have valued him at £30m he will only become a £30m player if someone pays it. Look back through records of transfer fees, they are just that, records of what was actually paid relating to a players worth.

He's worth £30m to Burnley (unless they're lying). He might only be worth £15m to Wolves or £22m to Arsenal, but to Burnley he's worth £30m.

danhibees1875

01-07-2019, 10:59 AM

Here’s Lucy!

01-07-2019, 11:01 AM

Out of interest, what do you think McGinn is worth in today’s market?

Now that he’s a top league player, I would hazard a guess at between 10 and 15 Million.

Scouse Hibee

01-07-2019, 11:13 AM

He's worth £30m to Burnley (unless they're lying). He might only be worth £15m to Wolves or £22m to Arsenal, but to Burnley he's worth £30m.

You don’t seem to understand the concept of putting a value on a player or anything else for that matter, you can value one thing at whatever price you like however it’s only worth what someone is willing to pay. Burnley have valued him at £30m he will only realise that worth to them if someone is willing to pay it. It’s that simple.

FilipinoHibs

01-07-2019, 11:17 AM

Not necessary.

Ta, that’s exactly what I did, and nothing more. :aok:

Actually thought twice about posting it as I suspected I might get the ‘yam’ stuff but, hey ho, it’s a football forum and I’m entitled to my opinion.

As I said last night, love SJM but the price being bandied about, is quite frankly laughable.

No footballer is worth £50m if you look at what he adds compared to people who have real jobs in our society.But a club may £50 m for him given the money in TV football and for some clubs, revenues from merchandising.

MacGruber

01-07-2019, 11:29 AM

Wilson

01-07-2019, 11:35 AM

Apologies for being a joy killer for those of us already spending a windfall in our heads - the most likely thing that will happen is SJM signing an extended bumper contract and staying with Villa for years.

And good luck to him if that's what he wants to do. Any right thinking hibee wants to see him do well - whatever he decides is best for his career.

jacomo

01-07-2019, 11:39 AM

Also anybody who watched the highlights of villa games would see virtually every game he was praised to the hilt. He has the drive,determination and ambition to make it at the top and with that we will get a lovely sum to reinvest in the team. While that delights me nothing would please me more than to see mcginn running out in a utd or Liverpool top and be proud he wore our green and white strip. And if course be so smug in saying we told you so.

:agree:

My Villa-supporting mates absolutely love SJM. They’d happily see Grealish go before him.

Barman Stanton

01-07-2019, 11:53 AM

Now that he’s a top league player, I would hazard a guess at between 10 and 15 Million.

I would love to see the outrage from Villa fans if they sold McGinn for as little as that. I think some people on here dont really get how bonkers the English transfer market is. Villa's board would absolutely laugh if someone put in a bid as low as 10 - 15M.

Speedy

01-07-2019, 12:01 PM

I would love to see the outrage from Villa fans if they sold McGinn for as little as that. I think some people on here dont really get how bonkers the English transfer market is. Villa's board would absolutely laugh if someone put in a bid as low as 10 - 15M.

He would've been in the 10-15 million bracket the minute he arrived in Birmingham.

Is he worth 50m? Probably not but Villa would struggle to replace him for much less so I can see them holding out.

CRAZYHIBBY

01-07-2019, 12:08 PM

Even if we did get a few million from his sell on clause i seriously doubt hecky will see much of it

Barman Stanton

01-07-2019, 12:11 PM

He would've been in the 10-15 million bracket the minute he arrived in Birmingham.

Is he worth 50m? Probably not but Villa would struggle to replace him for much less so I can see them holding out.

Exactly. Im amazed that some people dont realise this. I mean come on, £10M for the play off winners player of the season. Astonished anyone would think thats his valuation down in England after the season he just had.

danhibees1875

01-07-2019, 12:41 PM

Even if we did get a few million from his sell on clause i seriously doubt hecky will see much of it

Where do you think it would go?

HoboHarry

01-07-2019, 12:49 PM

Where do you think it would go?
According to some on .net in the past Farmer will be trousering it :)

Dav1986

01-07-2019, 12:50 PM

I don't think that sjm will move this summer and think £50M is very high... But if he did and it was for something in that region then I think that one transfer would likely result in a record breaking transfer income for Villa, Hibs, and st mirren all in one swoop!

Why should St Mirren get any of this. They get a percentage of what we sold SJM at, not what AV do. With stories of us receiving a payment because of their promotion, they wont have got any of that. Similar situation and I wouoldn't expect us to get anything from his transfer from Utd to his next club after that.

I don't see him being £50m player at the moment, good year this year then he will be in that bracket, as it stands I would expect him to go for about £30-35m

JimBHibees

01-07-2019, 12:50 PM

danhibees1875

01-07-2019, 12:54 PM

Why should St Mirren get any of this. They get a percentage of what we sold SJM at, not what AV do. With stories of us receiving a payment because of their promotion, they wont have got any of that. Similar situation and I wouoldn't expect us to get anything from his transfer from Utd to his next club after that.

I said possibly because we don't, and maybe never will, know for sure. But I think StM would likely get a % of all future money we receive in relation to SJM. I'd like to think our contract with AV was written in that way too.

The sell on clauses are part of what we "sold McGinn at" so I can't see why they wouldn't personally.

147lothian

01-07-2019, 12:54 PM

As much as it may seem incredible Man U paying £50M for McGinn all you need to do is type John McGinn into you tube and watch the highlights of his games from last season, for that figure to be justified, one is called JOHN MCGINN Welcome to Manchester United. Another is called This is Why Manchester United Wants John McGinn, As has already been stated OGS wants British players and with the drive and tenacity that you get from McGinn in the middle of the park as well as the type of character he is this could well be a realistic option choice for the way OGS wants to rebuild Man United

Dav1986

01-07-2019, 12:59 PM

I said possibly because we don't, and maybe never will, know for sure. But I think StM would likely get a % of all future money we receive in relation to SJM. I'd like to think our contract with AV was written in that way too.

The sell on clauses are part of what we "sold McGinn at" so I can't see why they wouldn't personally.

That's fair enough, I just don't see that happening as you go a few transfers down the line it can get a bit confusing with so many clubs involved. Just don't see it myself.

Just noticed that previous post was my 1000th! Only taken me about 15 years:faf:

The Leith Dutch

01-07-2019, 01:02 PM

Even if we did get a few million from his sell on clause i seriously doubt hecky will see much of it

I think treating money that comes into the club for things like transfers isn't something it makes sense to treat in that way anyhow.

Transfer fees are something we probably have enough to finance within the wage structure we offer.
i.e. we can probably afford the transfer fee of a player that would agree to join us for the wages we can offer.

Breaking the wage structure for one player is a massive problem morale wise - once it comes to light that the new marquee signing is getting 10k a week then everyone on a 4k wage wants an increase and you have a wage bill you can't finance.

Incoming transfer money is difficult to use to increase the wage structure as it's unpredictable and not recurring.
Ironically the best way to use 5m (or whatever it is we get if McGinn gets transferred) is not directly on transfers or wages but on initiatives to increase the regular income of the club as a whole.
That's the only way to be able to afford better players.

Onceinawhile

01-07-2019, 01:05 PM

That's fair enough, I just don't see that happening as you go a few transfers down the line it can get a bit confusing with so many clubs involved. Just don't see it myself.

Just noticed that previous post was my 1000th! Only taken me about 15 years:faf:

St Mirren will 100% get part of any future transfer fee for McGinn as will we

https://www.lawinsport.com/topics/sports/item/a-guide-to-training-compensation-and-solidarity-payments-in-football

Whether our sell on clause will net us anything from his sale from Man u to Real Madrid or not though is a different matter.

danhibees1875

01-07-2019, 01:06 PM

That's fair enough, I just don't see that happening as you go a few transfers down the line it can get a bit confusing with so many clubs involved. Just don't see it myself.

Just noticed that previous post was my 1000th! Only taken me about 15 years:faf:

I'm sure the teams can work it out and all it takes is one team not including a clause and the whole cycle breaks anyway.

I think unless you could fully trust the other team the main reason for it would be to stop them playing around with add ons to maximise their own income.

Nothing to stop villa selling SJM for 50p and adding a £49,999,999.5 bonus for his first appearance otherwise. An extreme example obviously, but you get the idea. :greengrin

Congratulations. :aok:

GloryGlory

01-07-2019, 01:11 PM

That's fair enough, I just don't see that happening as you go a few transfers down the line it can get a bit confusing with so many clubs involved. Just don't see it myself.

Just noticed that previous post was my 1000th! Only taken me about 15 years:faf:

ISTR Didier Drogba ensured this professional contracts benefited the club that he started out with throughout his career. Every time he got transferred, they got some cash.

GloryGlory

01-07-2019, 01:13 PM

I'm sure the teams can work it out and all it takes is one team not including a clause and the whole cycle breaks anyway.

I think unless you could fully trust the other team the main reason for it would be to stop them playing around with add ons to maximise their own income.

Nothing to stop villa selling SJM for 50p and adding a £49,999,999.5 bonus for his first appearance otherwise. An extreme example obviously, but you get the idea. :greengrin

Congratulations. :aok:

And if they did agree to that, theoretically nothing to stop a club buying him for £0.50 and selling him immediately for £49,999,999.50. :greengrin

danhibees1875

01-07-2019, 01:15 PM

And if they did agree to that, theoretically nothing to stop a club buying him for £0.50 and selling him immediately for £49,999,999.50. :greengrin

Indeed! :greengrin

HFC93

01-07-2019, 01:19 PM

Now that he’s a top league player, I would hazard a guess at between 10 and 15 Million.

That's very conservative. A good comparison, James Madison moved from Norwich (a Championship club at the time) to Leicester for £20 million last season. At £10-15 million Grealish would be roughly valued three times more than his Villa player of the year wining team mate.

Barman Stanton

01-07-2019, 01:22 PM

St Mirren will 100% get part of any future transfer fee for McGinn as will we

https://www.lawinsport.com/topics/sports/item/a-guide-to-training-compensation-and-solidarity-payments-in-football

Whether our sell on clause will net us anything from his sale from Man u to Real Madrid or not though is a different matter.

Is there any link where I can read that St Mirren '100% get any part of future transfers'? Iv seen it mentioned on here as a fact but I have have yet to find any evidence of this? Surely you would need to have seen the contract between ourselves and St Mirren to know this?

Michael

01-07-2019, 01:30 PM

Is there any link where I can read that St Mirren '100% get any part of future transfers'? Iv seen it mentioned on here as a fact but I have have yet to find any evidence of this? Surely you would need to have seen the contract between ourselves and St Mirren to know this?

They have a 30% clause.

HFC93

01-07-2019, 01:36 PM

truehibernian

01-07-2019, 01:40 PM

They have a 30% clause.

Really depends on what’s in the contract and only the player and his reps (and Hibs and Saints) know that.

If I remember rightly Steven Fletcher’s sales/transfers handed Hibs a couple of payments (maybe 3) but they were on a diminishing (agreed) percentage from his initial sale to Burnley.

To be honest, St. Mirren invested a lot of time in SJM’s development so I wouldn’t grudge them a 30% share of what we would get - it’s good to see Scottish clubs get a piece of the football pie. They’re a great wee club. Think SJM also regularly pays tribute to Danny Lennon’s influence so there’s another reason not to begrudge them a sizeable chunk of any fee we get.

Barman Stanton

01-07-2019, 01:41 PM

They have a 30% clause.

Yeah so I am hearing on here. But could you point me towards an official link where I can read about this? Cheers.

Barman Stanton

01-07-2019, 01:44 PM

Is having a sell-on clause on top of a sell-on clause an actual thing?

I imagine its a thing but will be very much dependent on the contact. But I cant for the life of me find any note of it officially online. There must be something somewhere as so many are assuring its a fact.

Barman Stanton

01-07-2019, 01:45 PM

Really depends on what’s in the contract and only the player and his reps (and Hibs and Saints) know that.

If I remember rightly Steven Fletcher’s sales/transfers handed Hibs a couple of payments (maybe 3) but they were on a diminishing (agreed) percentage from his initial sale to Burnley.

To be honest, St. Mirren invested a lot of time in SJM’s development so I wouldn’t grudge them a 30% share of what we would get - it’s good to see Scottish clubs get a piece of the football pie. They’re a great wee club. Think SJM also regularly pays tribute to Danny Lennon’s influence so there’s another reason not to begrudge them a sizeable chunk of any fee we get.

I totally agree with this. Happy for them to get whatever they are due. I'm just not convinced they are due 30% of every single McGinn transfer.

MKHIBEE

01-07-2019, 01:45 PM

Did he say "let's go round again" when they had to up their offer?
They were told to "pick up the pieces".

IWasThere2016

01-07-2019, 01:57 PM

I'm not sure £50m is too wide of the mark.

Villa linked with £25m CH from Bristol City

HoboHarry

01-07-2019, 02:09 PM

They have a 30% clause.
Rod said they did not IIRC but hey don't let .net rumours stand in the way of facts.

Barman Stanton

01-07-2019, 02:14 PM

Rod said they did not IIRC but hey don't let .net rumours stand in the way of facts.

Thats fine, someone will be along in a second with this magical link officially confirming the sell on. Im sure.

we are hibs

01-07-2019, 02:34 PM

Oscar T Grouch

01-07-2019, 02:43 PM

I totally agree with this. Happy for them to get whatever they are due. I'm just not convinced they are due 30% of every single McGinn transfer.

You're right they don't. I would imagine they'd get 30% (or whatever their agreed percentage is) of what we get as a sell on clause. We know they do have a sell on clause as it was discussed at an AGM I think, but the actual amount has never been public.

Barman Stanton

01-07-2019, 02:49 PM

You're right they don't. I would imagine they'd get 30% (or whatever their agreed percentage is) of what we get as a sell on clause. We know they do have a sell on clause as it was discussed at an AGM I think, but the actual amount has never been public.

But was it ever confirmed that they had a sell on of EVERY McGinn transfer thereafter? Thats what people are claiming here but Iv never seen it confirmed anywhere other than Hibs fans sites.

stoneyburn hibs

01-07-2019, 02:52 PM

I could see them getting a 30% sell on when he moved from hibs to another club but I don't imagine petrie agreeing to a deal that involves st.mirren getting 30% of hibs share if he moves on from villa. There may be a sell on but I doubt it's that high

This would seem right,no chance St Mirren would get as high as 30% of any further transfers.

Oscar T Grouch

01-07-2019, 02:53 PM

But was it ever confirmed that they had a sell on of EVERY McGinn transfer thereafter? Thats what people are claiming here but Iv never seen it confirmed anywhere other than Hibs fans sites.

That is standard practise as far as I am aware. I believe we got a small windfall when Steven Fletcher moved on from Burnley and Wolves. I think every team a player plays for before they are 24 are entitled to a small percentage of each transfer (development premium or something like that). I am sure that is long established and never meant much going to these teams until the transfer business went crazy prices. I cannot find anything to back this up though, so it maybe wrong.

Barman Stanton

01-07-2019, 03:04 PM

That is standard practise as far as I am aware. I believe we got a small windfall when Steven Fletcher moved on from Burnley and Wolves. I think every team a player plays for before they are 24 are entitled to a small percentage of each transfer (development premium or something like that). I am sure that is long established and never meant much going to these teams until the transfer business went crazy prices. I cannot find anything to back this up though, so it maybe wrong.

I'm not so sure it is (standard practice). It was my understanding that sell on's are very specific to the individual contact. Basically I have no idea. But I don't think anyone does that wasnt involved in contact negotiations. It just does my nut in people claiming hearsay as fact.

WhileTheChief..

01-07-2019, 03:07 PM

Is having a sell-on clause on top of a sell-on clause an actual thing?

Nope. Hibs.net myth.

They will get nowt when Villa sell him.

Man Utd will have got zero when Ronaldo moved to Juve from Real. How is this any different?

1van Sprou7e

01-07-2019, 03:09 PM

Nope. Hibs.net myth.

They will get nowt when Villa sell him.

Man Utd will have got zero when Ronaldo moved to Juve from Real. How is this any different?

That's a completely different situation because man Utd sold him to real. St mirren didn't sell McGinn to aston villa

But as far as I know st mirren will be due a chunk of whatever we get

HoboHarry

01-07-2019, 03:10 PM

I'm not so sure it is (standard practice). It was my understanding that sell on's are very specific to the individual contact. Basically I have no idea. But I don't think anyone does that wasnt involved in contact negotiations. It just does my nut in people claiming hearsay as fact.
:agree: I would be willing to bet there aren't two contracts identical in the whole of the British Isles. I also see posters claiming that players lose their personal transfer payment if they demand a transfer. More nonsense - players will often negotiate an early termination payment to leave a club. Basically anyone who claims they know the details of a transfer is making it up unless they have laid eyes on the actual contract.

MWHIBBIES

01-07-2019, 03:11 PM

Nope. Hibs.net myth.

They will get nowt when Villa sell him.

Man Utd will have got zero when Ronaldo moved to Juve from Real. How is this any different?

Because its a totally different contract? There isn't just some generic clause that gets inserted, it can be different in every deal.

WhileTheChief..

01-07-2019, 03:17 PM

Yeah that’s what I’d have thought.

So how comes folk are saying this or that happens? Surely every deal is different??

Barman Stanton

01-07-2019, 03:21 PM

Yeah that’s what I’d have thought.

So how comes folk are saying this or that happens? Surely every deal is different??

People like to make out they know things I guess. Or they are just taking Hibs.net facts as gospel.

One thing is for sure, I'm pretty sure that Hibs have not continued to make money from every single player we have sold's subsequent moves. That kind of thing would show up in accounts.

cabbageandribs1875

01-07-2019, 03:28 PM

They have a 30% clause.

which they will have had/about to have, and they should think themselves damn lucky to have got that in the first place, the boy was leaving them anyway and if he wanted to at the time he probably could have sued them after some clown speared him with a pole at training

WhileTheChief..

01-07-2019, 03:29 PM

CapitalGreen

01-07-2019, 03:33 PM

Agreed.

Are folk really saying that every time a player moves for more money than he moved previously then every club he’s played for is entitled to some cash?!!

That’s wired to the moon mental.

Kickback have already decided that we only have a 10% sell on with Villa but that St Mirren are entitled to 30% of our 10%!!

It’s all fun and games really. Bottom line is that we will get another few mill for McGinn at some point in the next few years.

Hibs received money from Burnley when Steven Fletcher moved from Wolves to Sunderland.

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/burnley_fc/news/9894870.howe-not-expecting-transfer-cash/

CapitalGreen

01-07-2019, 03:38 PM

Any future income we receive from the sale of McGinn via add-ons and clauses would be considered part of the transfer income from his sale and therefore (depending on exact wording) we may be due to pay a % of that on to St Mirren as part of our original agreement.

Barman Stanton

01-07-2019, 03:41 PM

Hibs received money from Burnley when Steven Fletcher moved from Wolves to Sunderland.

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/burnley_fc/news/9894870.howe-not-expecting-transfer-cash/

It does say that Hibs were due a fee after factoring in sell ons on the contract. Its not the norm however, its not like every deal automatically works this way.

Oscar T Grouch

01-07-2019, 03:45 PM

CapitalGreen

01-07-2019, 03:47 PM

Also, I am not sure why there is such consternation about St Mirren receiving part of any future income we receive - they will deserve it. They put many years into his development, gave him a lot of game time from a young age and ultimately made him into the player we wanted to sign and eventually could sell for a large amount. I don't see how people can celebrate the fact Aston Villa will need to pay us a % on one hand while on the other hand grumbling about us passing on a smaller % of that to St Mirren who arguably had a greater impact on his development than we did.

CapitalGreen

01-07-2019, 03:49 PM

It does say that Hibs were due a fee after factoring in sell ons on the contract. Its not the norm however, its not like every deal automatically works this way.

Nobody is saying it is the norm or automatically done this way, however there are people saying it is 100% not the case or to quote one poster "howl at the moon mental". I have shown Hibs have structured deals in this way in the past so it is not outwith the realms of possibility that they have done so again.

CapitalGreen

01-07-2019, 03:51 PM

Not read all this but there is something in here about solidarity payments. At work so can't take the time to see what is says exactly but having a quick skim seems to state a team that helped develop a player (before 23rd birthday) gets some sort of payment upon future transfers?

https://www.lawinsport.com/topics/sports/item/a-guide-to-training-compensation-and-solidarity-payments-in-football

Solidarity payments are different from sell-on clauses.

Solidarity payments are a mandatory fixed % based on certain factors such as length of time trained at club.

Sell-on clauses are optional and determined between the buying and selling clubs during the negotiation process.

The 90+2

01-07-2019, 04:08 PM

According to some on .net in the past Farmer will be trousering it :)

Well deserved imo.

HoboHarry

01-07-2019, 04:08 PM

I wonder if LD or RP ever come on here after two or three glasses of wine to read up on how contracts are (or should be) written. Cheaper than going to the movies for providing a laugh..... :greengrin

J-C

01-07-2019, 04:09 PM

I could see them getting a 30% sell on when he moved from hibs to another club but I don't imagine petrie agreeing to a deal that involves st.mirren getting 30% of hibs share if he moves on from villa. There may be a sell on but I doubt it's that high

Fairly certain Dempster said there was no future sell on fee, they got their share of the original sale and that's it.

WhileTheChief..

01-07-2019, 04:10 PM

Hibs received money from Burnley when Steven Fletcher moved from Wolves to Sunderland.

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/burnley_fc/news/9894870.howe-not-expecting-transfer-cash/

Yeah I know, I remember it well as it stood out from the norm!

beensaidbefore

01-07-2019, 04:17 PM

HoboHarry

01-07-2019, 04:27 PM

What about a contract that says, 30% of all monies hibs receive from sales are owed to st mirren. Cant see it, but woukdnt be that far fetched. Would be sensible on their part given hibs have a history.ie fletcher
One thing I think we can all agree on is that RP doesn't have a history of agreeing to player contracts which are detrimental to Hibs......

Marvellous

01-07-2019, 04:27 PM

CapitalGreen

01-07-2019, 04:36 PM

One thing I think we can all agree on is that RP doesn't have a history of agreeing to player contracts which are detrimental to Hibs......

I think it would be difficult for anyone to argue that the deal we agreed with St Mirren in order to sign McGinn (regardless of any sell-on clauses) was in any way detrimental to Hibs.

Rumble de Thump

01-07-2019, 04:42 PM

Worth remembering that Hibs didn't sign McGinn from St Mirren. He was a free agent and was in the process of taking them to court for loss of earnings with regards to being speared in the thigh by the club captain. He supposedly dropped the court case in exchange for them settling for a lower development fee from Hibs.

The 90+2

01-07-2019, 04:42 PM

What about a contract that says, 30% of all monies hibs receive from sales are owed to st mirren. Cant see it, but woukdnt be that far fetched. Would be sensible on their part given hibs have a history.ie fletcher

No chance Petrie would let St Mirren have that control. Percentage on our sale yes. When we sold to Burnley others wanted Fletcher including Celtic and the ball was in our court. St Mirren thought they lost McGinn for nothing leaving to America.

The 90+2

01-07-2019, 04:43 PM

Rumble de Thump

01-07-2019, 04:48 PM

Not true. We signed him on the last day of his contract for an undisclosed fee.

Undisclosed development fee as he was out of contract. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/33129010 https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/out-of-contract-st-mirren-star-john-6051240

Scouse Hibee

01-07-2019, 04:48 PM

Not true. We signed him on the last day of his contract for an undisclosed fee.

Yes but we did agree a development fee with them also.

147lothian

01-07-2019, 04:58 PM

According to talkSPORT Hibs are in for a windfall if the Man U move goes through because we have a 20% sell on clause in the contract

HoboHarry

01-07-2019, 04:59 PM

According to talkSPORT Hibs are in for a windfall if the Man U move goes through because we have a 20% sell on clause in the contract
Those dafties probably read that on .net......

HFC93

01-07-2019, 05:02 PM

Tony Fitzpatrick told me it's 60%

CockneyRebel

01-07-2019, 05:06 PM

One thing I think we can all agree on is that RP doesn't have a history of agreeing to player contracts which are detrimental to Hibs......

EXACTLY. We know that a sell on clause is not a fairy tale. It is happening more and more as it helps clubs to buy a player that they could not ordinarily afford. So, seeing as these clauses exist, could you imagine Petrie et al not including one in McGinn's transfer? (when everyone knew he was worth more than Villa initially paid). This makes it less of a punt for the buying club and ensures the selling club of maybe eventually getting what they feel the player is worth.

Callum_62

01-07-2019, 05:42 PM

Tony Fitzpatrick told me it's 60%Top six(ty) percent?

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Todi114

01-07-2019, 07:28 PM

John McGinn the gift that keeps on giving
it would be amazing to hear we’ve got McGinn ringing round old Trafford

Since452

01-07-2019, 07:40 PM

What happens to our sell on clause if we buy McGinn for 50 million? 🤔

weecounty hibby

01-07-2019, 07:41 PM

John McGinn the gift that keeps on giving
it would be amazing to hear we’ve got McGinn ringing round old Trafford

Not it wouldn't, it would be *****, it would be great to hear it ringing around Easter Road. I miss him😢

HoboHarry

01-07-2019, 07:44 PM

What happens to our sell on clause if we buy McGinn for 50 million? 🤔
CWG would have a tartan fit trying to explain the accounts on .net.....

hfc rd

01-07-2019, 08:00 PM

John McGinn thread over on Redcafe:

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/john-mcginn.448647/

Here’s Lucy!

01-07-2019, 09:18 PM

John McGinn thread over on Redcafe:

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/john-mcginn.448647/

In the main, SJM is getting praised on the MUFC site,

sambajustice

02-07-2019, 05:50 AM

Think he should hold on at Villa for a season and go to Barca for 80m next summer

bigwheel

02-07-2019, 06:28 AM

Think he should hold on at Villa for a season and go to Barca for 80m next summer

[emoji2][emoji106]. I’d love that

jacomo

02-07-2019, 06:36 AM

What happens to our sell on clause if we buy McGinn for 50 million? 🤔

We’d owe it to ourselves.

greenpaper55

02-07-2019, 07:07 AM

Man U are buying Newcastle midfielder Sean Longstaff.

Barman Stanton

02-07-2019, 07:36 AM

In the main, SJM is getting praised on the MUFC site,

Quite bizarre reading the Man Utd fans discussing if SGM is good enough for them. The boys done well for sure.

Phil MaGlass

02-07-2019, 10:39 AM

Can we no buy him back noo

Joe6-2

02-07-2019, 10:43 AM

Can we no buy him back noo

My thoughts too!

Booked4Being-Ugly

02-07-2019, 10:46 AM

What happens to our sell on clause if we buy McGinn for 50 million? 🤔Then we’d owe money to ourselves......oh f@£k!!!!!!

WeeRussell

02-07-2019, 11:31 AM

Think he should hold on at Villa for a season and go to Barca for 80m next summer

Nah - sign for Man U now for 50, and then Barca for 80 :wink:

Better yet - bidding war. NOW.

Iain G

02-07-2019, 11:39 AM

Then we’d owe money to ourselves......oh f@£k!!!!!!

And we would then pay St Mirren twice?! Or do they cancel each other out?! :greengrin

Barman Stanton

02-07-2019, 11:42 AM

Man U bidding £70M for Harry McGuire shows just how stupid the market is down there.

Callum_62

02-07-2019, 11:45 AM

Man U bidding £70M for Harry McGuire shows just how stupid the market is down there.Bid rejected

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MWHIBBIES

02-07-2019, 11:47 AM

Man U bidding £70M for Harry McGuire shows just how stupid the market is down there.

Does it? He's home grown, a great player and good for 5/6 years and United desperately need a central defender. Makes total sense.

Barman Stanton

02-07-2019, 11:48 AM

Does it? He's home grown, a great player and good for 5/6 years and United desperately need a central defender. Makes total sense.

Hey he is a good player but for me 70M is crazy money. I mean he is no Maldini. Just my opinion though.

WeeRussell

02-07-2019, 11:49 AM

Hey he is a good player but for me 70M is crazy money. I mean he is no Maldini. Just my opinion though.

I agree, it's wild money for him and absolutely representative of the inflated English market.

Here’s Lucy!

02-07-2019, 11:50 AM

Man U bidding £70M for Harry McGuire shows just how stupid the market is down there.

Agreed, it’s a ridiculous amount of money.

Does it? He's home grown, a great player and good for 5/6 years and United desperately need a central defender. Makes total sense.

£70M makes ‘total sense’ to you?

I beg to differ!

Amyway, I think it’s been rejected.

NAE NOOKIE

02-07-2019, 11:57 AM

Man U bidding £70M for Harry McGuire shows just how stupid the market is down there.

Agreed. The guy is a good player, but 70 million good? … absolutely no chance. But if that's the going rate for McGuire then SJM is worth every penny of 50 million.

Here’s Lucy!

02-07-2019, 11:57 AM

Hey he is a good player but for me 70M is crazy money. I mean he is no Maldini. Just my opinion though.

Exactly!

You could buy the Maldives for £70M!

WoreTheGreen

02-07-2019, 12:00 PM

Exactly!

You could buy the Maldives for £70M!

What position does he play -Matty jack role

Here’s Lucy!

02-07-2019, 12:01 PM

Agreed. The guy is a good player, but 70 million good? … absolutely no chance. But if that's the going rate for McGuire then SJM is worth every penny of 50 million.

And that’s precisely why Mr McGinn is not worth anything close to £50M.

Because McGuire is not worth anything close to £70M.

World’s gone mad, I tell ye.

:confused:

HoboHarry

02-07-2019, 12:03 PM

And that’s precisely why Mr McGinn is not worth anything close to £50M.

Because McGuire is not worth anything close to £70M.

World’s gone mad, I tell ye.

:confused:
You can keep repeating that until you go blue in the face but if Man Utd offer 70M then that is precisely what he is worth.

Barman Stanton

02-07-2019, 12:07 PM

You can keep repeating that until you go blue in the face but if Man Utd offer 70M then that is precisely what he is worth.

Aw no, here we go again :faf: (and I agree)

HoboHarry

02-07-2019, 12:08 PM

Aw no, here we go again :faf: (and I agree)
:greengrin

NAE NOOKIE

02-07-2019, 12:13 PM

John McGinn thread over on Redcafe:

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/john-mcginn.448647/

The folk who actually seem to like the game of football rather than just having a fixation on Man Utd to the exclusion of all else on there are positive about SJM's qualities which is nice to see.

I get their fans who are down on this because they think Man Utd should be in the market for the worlds proven top talent … as arguably the biggest club in the world so they should. But the harsh reality is that they aren't and in view of that the focus shouldn't be on what they want, it should be on what they need and from what I've seen of Man Utd over the last 3 or 4 seasons if a club ever needed John McGinn, or at least a player like him its them :greengrin

Barman Stanton

02-07-2019, 12:27 PM

The folk who actually seem to like the game of football rather than just having a fixation on Man Utd to the exclusion of all else on there are positive about SJM's qualities which is nice to see.

I get their fans who are down on this because they think Man Utd should be in the market for the worlds proven top talent … as arguably the biggest club in the world so they should. But the harsh reality is that they aren't and in view of that the focus shouldn't be on what they want, it should be on what they need and from what I've seen of Man Utd over the last 3 or 4 seasons if a club ever needed John McGinn, or at least a player like him its them :greengrin

Reminds me a bit of Real Madrid when they were going through their Galacticos stage. Buying all the best individual players around but not buying the right players to make the team work. All teams need a player like McGinn. He is obviously not at that level yet, but he could be Man Utds version of ****e.

Phil MaGlass

04-07-2019, 07:50 AM

Saw in yesterdays Times SJM about to sign a new contract with Villa.

Hibernian Verse

04-07-2019, 08:03 AM

"I was a bit worried it was stephen mcginn for a second, who my local boys wycombe had for a few seasons."

How can you support two teams in the same country?

Marvellous

04-07-2019, 08:31 AM

"I was a bit worried it was stephen mcginn for a second, who my local boys wycombe had for a few seasons."

How can you support two teams in the same country?

Probably quite easily when they're not playing against each other

Barman Stanton

04-07-2019, 10:17 AM

Probably quite easily when they're not playing against each other

I don't get that personally. Certainly couldn't support another team in Scotland.

HibbySpurs

04-07-2019, 09:26 PM

Saw in yesterdays Times SJM about to sign a new contract with Villa.

I think that’s good news for us longer term as it ties him down and come next summer the price could be anything!

Patience is key here, maybe We’ll have to hang on for a decent pay day but it’ll come.