Official Site: CHRISTIAN DOIDGE BECOMES FOURTH SUMMER SIGNING

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[stokesmessiah]

Welcome aboard!

[GloryGlory]

More... (http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/10078)

Welcome, Christian! :flag:

[BlackSheep]

New number 9......


What does this mean for McNulty.....??

[Stevie Reid]

Delighted with this signing. Remember thinking last year when he was first quoted that more wealthy teams down south would acquire him. Very glad he's here :thumbsup:

[007]

Welcome to Hibs Christian.

[BigKev]

An all round no.9 👌

[we are hibs]

The sun seem to think the fee was 350k

[ronaldo7]

Welcome, Christian. Hope you're worth all that dosh.:greengrin

A hat trick against the yams will do the trick.:aok:

[ThatDayInMay]

Paul said: “We think Christian’s signing is a real statement of intent and I’m delighted we were able to fend off other interested clubs to secure his signature.

“The recruitment staff here have been looking at Christian for a while now and he’s also someone who was on my radar.

“We think he’s well suited to Scottish football, whether that’s leading the line or working with a partner.

“Christian is intelligent, has good movement, scores different types of goals, can handle himself physically and will press well from the front.

“He gives us something different up top.”

Christian explained that he already has a clear idea of what is expected of him after detailed talks with Paul over his role within the team’s setup.

He said: “I felt like I knew exactly what he wanted from me within 10 seconds. He’s very clear in his instructions and I think it will really suit my game.

“I’m looking forward to working under him.

“I like getting after the ball with a high work-rate, making a nuisance of myself for defenders and playing off the shoulder. I like to attack crosses – just an all-round number nine, really.”

[J-C]

New number 9......


What does this mean for McNulty.....??


Was just about to ask the same, this sounds like Reading are asking too much for him, unless Kamberi moves. They also say working as a lone striker or in a pair, which looks like 1 up against most teams and maybe 2 against weaker teams.

Anyway, welcome aboard .

[Northernhibee]

Good to see so much business being done early.

[The 90+2]

Perfect. Welcome aboard.

[GloryGlory]

The sun seem to think the fee was 350k

That sounds a bit much - maybe includes add-ons, signing on fee, agents' commission?

[Lago]

Really enjoyed his interview on Hibs TV, comes across as a well rounded & sensible individual.👍🏼

[Aldo]

New number 9......


What does this mean for McNulty.....??

He’ll just have to pick another number when he arrives.


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[Aldo]

Was just about to ask the same, this sounds like Reading are asking too much for him, unless Kamberi moves. They also say working as a lone striker or in a pair, which looks like 1 up against most teams and maybe 2 against weaker teams.

Anyway, welcome aboard .

I still think we will see McNulty at ER. Not itk but think it’ll be closer to end of window!


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[bigwheel]

Passed the "training ground" test with flying colours :wink:

[04Sauzee]

Seems he's faster than he though he was 😁

[DetroitHibs]

Welcome to the club. I’ve been really impressed at the way we are getting our business done early. Also nice to see not as many loan players as usual.

[SideBurns]

The Artful Doidger!

[One Day Soon]

The sun seem to think the fee was 350k


Doesn't count. See 'Players budget' thread. No figure may be debated unless formally announced by the club.

[One Day Soon]

We've actually signed a CD player! :faf:

[EskbankHibby]

The Artful Doidger!

Snoop Doidgey Doidge

[HoboHarry]

When he played part time for Carmathen Town he also worked for the police - have we ever signed a copper before? :greengrin

[Northernhibee]

We've actually signed a CD player! :faf:

I think we're gonna make it!

[Northernhibee]

When he played part time for Carmathen Town he also worked for the police - have we ever signed a copper before? :greengrin

We've signed a few whoppers.

[WoreTheGreen]

When he played part time for Carmathen Town he also worked for the police - have we ever signed a copper before? :greengrin

PC Murdock (pretty murder)

[Pretty Boy]

On paper this looks a very exciting signing. 3 year deal and a decent fee quoted suggests we have high hopes.

[WoreTheGreen]

Edit pretty crap

[Hibbyradge]

We've signed a few whoppers.

I hope Doige doesn't come a cropper.

[GloryGlory]

We've signed a few whoppers.

Not a copper before he was at Hibs but did Dave Beaumont not join the police after his football career?

[Hermit Crab]

More please. :agree:

[jax67]

Welcome to the Hibees!!

[04Sauzee]

Not a copper before he was at Hibs but did Dave Beaumont not join the police after his football career?

I think he did and did Mark Fulton not also join the police force?

[Pretty Boy]

If the RB is announced tomorrow it might be the 1st time we have got almost a complete wish list in early:

Centre back
Creative midfielder
Left sided midfielder
Creative midfielder
Striker

An enforcer type and maybe a keeper and anything else would be a luxury.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Doppelgänger for Aaron Ramsey. Anyone else see it?

[HH81]

Just read it was 250k. Let's hope he is decent.

Welcome to the Hibees.

[southsider]

When he played part time for Carmathen Town he also worked for the police - have we ever signed a copper before? :greengrin

We had an Irish lad who was in the RUC. He was brutal.

[superfurryhibby]

1 goal in 17 appearances in the championship and a journeyman’s cv in the Welsh and English ( lower-non )leagues doesn’t inspire elation in me. Hopefully, he can step up a level and do the business at Hibs. Aged 26, so a fairly uninspiring career so far, spell at Forest Green aside.

Would be nice to have a “marquee” signing on board soon, just for a bit of balance.

[MWHIBBIES]

1 goal in 17 appearances in the championship and a journeyman’s cv in the Welsh and English ( lower-non )leagues doesn’t inspire elation in me. Hopefully, he can step up a level and do the business at Hibs. Aged 26, so a fairly uninspiring career so far, spell at Forest Green aside.

Would be nice to have a “marquee” signing on board soon, just for a bit of balance.

Yeah, definitely need a marquee signing with a great CV like Stokes, De Graaf or Grant Holt soon enough.

Their wikipedia page isn't supposed to inspire you, their performances are. The manager doesn't sign players based on wikipedia so why are they judged by that on here?

[Vault Boy]

Where is it confirmed he's #9?

In the article he is referred to as our new number 9.

[Hibernian Verse]

1 goal in 17 appearances in the championship and a journeyman’s cv in the Welsh and English ( lower-non )leagues doesn’t inspire elation in me. Hopefully, he can step up a level and do the business at Hibs. Aged 26, so a fairly uninspiring career so far, spell at Forest Green aside.

Would be nice to have a “marquee” signing on board soon, just for a bit of balance.

That Jamie Vardy was ***** anaw.

[The_Horde]

Doppelgänger for Aaron Ramsey. Anyone else see it?

Racist.

[1875Sean]

Hearing the fee is 350k , biggest in long time

[04Sauzee]

We had an Irish lad who was in the RUC. He was brutal.

Was he not with the RUC when we signed him. Mark Caughey

[Vault Boy]

Welcome to the club Christian. Looking forward to seeing what he brings.

[Peevemor]

Really enjoyed his interview on Hibs TV, comes across as a well rounded & sensible individual.[emoji1360]All our recent signings do.

[Diclonius]

Massive fee by our standards - let's hope he's worth it. Him being #9 also suggests the McNulty deal may be off.

In any case, fantastic backing for our manager this summer - we've actually "got a few faces in early for pre-season" for once!

[The_Horde]

1 goal in 17 appearances in the championship and a journeyman’s cv in the Welsh and English ( lower-non )leagues doesn’t inspire elation in me. Hopefully, he can step up a level and do the business at Hibs. Aged 26, so a fairly uninspiring career so far, spell at Forest Green aside.

Would be nice to have a “marquee” signing on board soon, just for a bit of balance.

Deary me.

That's the spirit, slate the player before he's even kicked a ball in anger for the mighty green and white.

I for one am impressed, from the highlights I've seen he looks a very clever player with good movement and he comes across like a thoroughly nice chap in his interview - very level headed, sensible and intelligent.

Welcome to the hibs family christian. GGTTH mate.

[Bostonhibby]

That Jamie Vardy was ***** anaw.There was a non league flop called Ian Wright as well, he stepped up late, no idea how he managed[emoji6]

Welcome to the Hibees Christian.

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[Speedway]

When he played part time for Carmathen Town he also worked for the police - have we ever signed a copper before? :greengrin

Wasn't Gordon Chisholm a copper, as well as Fulton, Beaumont and Caughy?


We had an Irish lad who was in the RUC. He was brutal.

That was our World Cup Star.

Back to our new number 9 though, I'm glad we didn't Doidge a bullet on this one.

[Wilson]

Massive fee by our standards - let's hope he's worth it. Him being #9 also suggests the McNulty deal may be off.

In any case, fantastic backing for our manager this summer - we've actually "got a few faces in early for pre-season" for once!

He fills a very specific role within the team. One we're crying out for. The right money for the right man I think. I don't expect we're splashing the cash on a whim.

I'm looking forward to seeing him in action.

[7 Up]

£250k for a player from League 2 gives me the fear to be honest. Good luck to him.

[Vault Boy]

He speaks very well in that interview.

[EI255]

Sweet man [emoji857]

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[007]

1 goal in 17 appearances in the championship and a journeyman’s cv in the Welsh and English ( lower-non )leagues doesn’t inspire elation in me. Hopefully, he can step up a level and do the business at Hibs. Aged 26, so a fairly uninspiring career so far, spell at Forest Green aside.

Would be nice to have a “marquee” signing on board soon, just for a bit of balance.

I'd class Scott Allan as a marquee signing.

[EI255]

£336,000 according to FotMob.

Bring it on Heckmeister!

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[erin go bragh]

66 goals in 122 for Forrest green ✅ No too shabby .

[Sir David Gray]

Deary me.

That's the spirit, slate the player before he's even kicked a ball in anger for the mighty green and white.

I for one am impressed, from the highlights I've seen he looks a very clever player with good movement and he comes across like a thoroughly nice chap in his interview - very level headed, sensible and intelligent.

Welcome to the hibs family christian. GGTTH mate.

I don't see anywhere in that post that he's being slated.

I'm willing to give everyone we sign a chance and the fact we have paid (by our standards) a relatively high amount to sign him suggests we have high hopes for him.

Signing players from Forest Green Rovers will always provoke responses like the one you have quoted though, it's inevitable.

[The_Horde]

I don't see anywhere in that post that he's being slated.

I'm willing to give everyone we sign a chance and the fact we have paid (by our standards) a relatively high amount to sign him suggests we have high hopes for him.

Signing players from Forest Green Rovers will always provoke responses like the one you have quoted though, it's inevitable.

And if he goes to a league one side and bangs them in he's well out with our price range. If we're picking them up before that happens bring it on!

[Wakeyhibee]

1 goal in 17 appearances in the championship and a journeyman’s cv in the Welsh and English ( lower-non )leagues doesn’t inspire elation in me. Hopefully, he can step up a level and do the business at Hibs. Aged 26, so a fairly uninspiring career so far, spell at Forest Green aside.

Would be nice to have a “marquee” signing on board soon, just for a bit of balance.

Was said on another thread or earlier here, appearances for Bolton (who were in dire straits) were 50/50 full/sub. So maybe not a good guide. But I agree this is a step up. Hopefully Hecks got it right.

Can't see a marquee signing maybe another one in this mould if a fee is required. Anything else will be loans/frees I'm guessing.

[muzzando]

See Bolton had an agreement to sign him for £1M in January but had to cancel it because they couldn't afford it. Could potentially end up being a bargain for us

[GloryGlory]

Deary me.

That's the spirit, slate the player before he's even kicked a ball in anger for the mighty green and white.

I for one am impressed, from the highlights I've seen he looks a very clever player with good movement and he comes across like a thoroughly nice chap in his interview - very level headed, sensible and intelligent.

Welcome to the hibs family christian. GGTTH mate.

We could sign Messi and some on here would give it "he's past it, too wee, too old, blah, blah, blah". Give the lad a chance.

[SeanWilson]

1 goal in 17 appearances in the championship and a journeyman’s cv in the Welsh and English ( lower-non )leagues doesn’t inspire elation in me. Hopefully, he can step up a level and do the business at Hibs. Aged 26, so a fairly uninspiring career so far, spell at Forest Green aside.

Would be nice to have a “marquee” signing on board soon, just for a bit of balance.

Posts like this always give me a chuckle.

A) just get behind him man!
B) we're never going to be signing a household name... What the F are you expecting? Breaking news, Hibernian have struck a deal with Mo Salah for a world record fee?

[Sir David Gray]

And if he goes to a league one side and bangs them in he's well out with our price range. If we're picking them up before that happens bring it on!

Absolutely I agree, I've never seen the guy in my life so it would be completely unfair for me to criticise this signing. I'm just not surprised that some people aren't getting too excited at him (and others like him) being signed.

[SunshineOnLeith]

1 goal in 17 appearances in the championship and a journeyman’s cv in the Welsh and English ( lower-non )leagues doesn’t inspire elation in me. Hopefully, he can step up a level and do the business at Hibs. Aged 26, so a fairly uninspiring career so far, spell at Forest Green aside.

Would be nice to have a “marquee” signing on board soon, just for a bit of balance.

Pretty much this. At least he's better looking than James Collins, though.

Hopefully the league Cup group stage will allow him to get a few goals against dross to get his confidence up and he goes from there.

[hibbyfraelibby]

When he played part time for Carmathen Town he also worked for the police - have we ever signed a copper before? :greengrin

Yup. Seem to remember a certain Norn Irish RUC striker signed for us. Also Gary O'Connor was in the Police, well at least in their cars😁

[tamig]

Pretty much this. At least he's better looking than James Collins, though.

Hopefully the league Cup group stage will allow him to get a few goals against dross to get his confidence up and he goes from there.

I’d say the guy’s recent record suggests he won’t be short on confidence. Really don’t understand folk posting negative stuff when we sign “unknown” players from lower leagues.

[Skol]

Lets all do the Christian Doidge

Na Na Na Na Na Na

[MyJo]

I’d say the guy’s recent record suggests he won’t be short on confidence. Really don’t understand folk posting negative stuff when we sign “unknown” players from lower leagues.

The player that has just made the biggest move of his career for a decent transfer fee to a big club that have been monitoring him for two years while he has scored a goal every second game in league two and missed out on a £1m transfer to Bolton through no fault of his own needs a confidence boost by putting a few away past Arbroath.

I think he’ll probably be feeling alright about himself if I’m being honest

[Aubenas]

Yup. Seem to remember a certain Norn Irish RUC striker signed for us. Also Gary O'Connor was in the Police, well at least in their cars😁

Mark Caughey was an RUC Detective before signing for us. Centre Half Mark Fulton became a copper after leaving Hibs.

[Peevemor]

WTF rhymes with Doidge then?

[HoboHarry]

WTF rhymes with Doidge then?
Boidge, her what's in charge over at the Yak farm :greengrin

[sadtom]

WTF rhymes with Doidge then?

Boidge? 😎

[Since452]

He has far better scoring record at EL2 level than Ikpeazu and Hearts fans rave about him

[Wilson]

He has far better scoring record at EL2 level than Ikpeazu and Hearts fans rave about him

Aye, hearts fans are raving - full stop!

[supermcginn]

Brilliant signing. Natural goalscorer and will bang them in.

[HFC93]

In response to the negative comments, what's a 'marquee singing' for Hibs?

[Hibernian Verse]

In response to the negative comments, what's a 'marquee singing' for Hibs?Someone that posters with blinkers on have heard of.

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[weecounty hibby]

In response to the negative comments, what's a 'marquee singing' for Hibs?
I would suggest that someone we have allegedly paid £350k for is a marquee signing. Let's not forget Scott Allan either. I don't think the others have been too shabby either. Good summer so far

[Onion]

Surely cannot do any worse than James Collins. Welcome :thumbsup:

[Lago]

All our recent signings do.

Agree

[Robbo6-2]

Good luck to him, hope he bangs them in

[660]

How do you pronounce his surname?

[Keith_M]

In response to the negative comments, what's a 'marquee singing' for Hibs?


Anybody that shows the club's serious intent
https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/160/apple/81/camping_1f3d5.png

[allezsauzee]

The sun says the £350,000 paid is the biggest fee we've paid since the £200,000 we paid for James Collins. Using the Jambo school of arithmetic that says that 5 is greater than 7!

[Hibs1969]

Wasn't Gordon Chisholm a copper, as well as Fulton, Beaumont and Caughy?



That was our World Cup Star.

Back to our new number 9 though, I'm glad we didn't Doidge a bullet on this one.
And don’t forget Mark McGraw, still a polis I believe.

[ancient hibee]

Mark Caughey was an RUC Detective before signing for us. Centre Half Mark Fulton became a copper after leaving Hibs.

Harvey McCreadie was in jail when we signed him.

[PH91]

C'mon, feel the Doidge!!
(Slade)

Maybe not. :greengrin

[ancient hibee]

In response to the negative comments, what's a 'marquee singing' for Hibs?

A marquee singing is probably a very camp version of what we oldies call the latest number 1. Or at least someone singing with great intent.

[Hibs1969]

Wasn't Gordon Chisholm a copper, as well as Fulton, Beaumont and Caughy?



That was our World Cup Star.

Back to our new number 9 though, I'm glad we didn't Doidge a bullet on this one.
And don’t forget Mark McGraw, still a polis I believe.

[Jack]

Paul said: “We think Christian’s signing is a real statement of intent and I’m delighted we were able to fend off other interested clubs to secure his signature.

“The recruitment staff here have been looking at Christian for a while now and he’s also someone who was on my radar.

“We think he’s well suited to Scottish football, whether that’s leading the line or working with a partner.

“Christian is intelligent, has good movement, scores different types of goals, can handle himself physically and will press well from the front.

“He gives us something different up top.”

Christian explained that he already has a clear idea of what is expected of him after detailed talks with Paul over his role within the team’s setup.

He said: “I felt like I knew exactly what he wanted from me within 10 seconds. He’s very clear in his instructions and I think it will really suit my game.

“I’m looking forward to working under him.

“I like getting after the ball with a high work-rate, making a nuisance of myself for defenders and playing off the shoulder. I like to attack crosses – just an all-round number nine, really.”

I like an all-round number 9, I really do.

[CMurdoch]

Mark Caughey was an RUC Detective before signing for us. Centre Half Mark Fulton became a copper after leaving Hibs.

Mark McGraw joined the Police not long after leaving Hibs

Re our signings this summer.
The 3 guys from English football appear to be solid pro's who don't come with a reputation for intemperate habits, which is one less worry. They also appear to have been properly scouted by the recruitment staff and the manager.

I think Newell like most wingers will be inconsistent but Droidge and Jackson will be solid performers.
Sure Bolton were going to pay £250k for Droidge last season and i suspect that was the fee we have paid.
Suspect there was lots of add ons attached to the Bolton deal and this will no doubt be the case with our deal with Forest Green.

Sure we paid £200k last summer for both Mallan & Horgan
Not a fortune but it shows we are no longer totally reliant on free transfers and loans.

Re McNulty the problem is he still has 3 years to go on a lucrative deal at Reading which he sensibly won't walk away from and his club won't both pay him off as well as write off most of his transfer fee. For those reasons i can't see any way he will be joining Hibs this summer. Suspect he will go to a 3rd tier English club like Sunderland who will pay a big fat loan fee for him.

Re Droidge, I'm really pleased we have managed to get a decent striker in before the end of June.

Next up a defensive midfield super athlete please :cb.

[Jack]

Not a copper before he was at Hibs but did Dave Beaumont not join the police after his football career?

I'm sure there was a defender type player in the late 70s, early 80s who only played a few games left to join the Mounties in Canada. He was back as a spectator before the split but I can't remember for the life of me what his name is!

It's an age thing :-(

[GloryGlory]

I'm sure there was a defender type player in the late 70s, early 80s who only played a few games left to join the Mounties in Canada. He was back as a spectator before the split but I can't remember for the life of me what his name is!

It's an age thing :-(

I recall a Derek Spalding, but he married an American and went to the USA.

[craigiehibs]

I'm sure there was a defender type player in the late 70s, early 80s who only played a few games left to join the Mounties in Canada. He was back as a spectator before the split but I can't remember for the life of me what his name is!

It's an age thing :-(

colin fenwick?

[The 90+2]

colin fenwick?

He played for us this side of the millennium.

[B.H.F.C]

Big fee that.

With Allan, Boyle, Horgan, Mallan and Newell (if he’s any good) he should get plenty chances.

[One Day Soon]

I would suggest that someone we have allegedly paid £350k for is a marquee signing. Let's not forget Scott Allan either. I don't think the others have been too shabby either. Good summer so far

It’s peanuts really, just over half of what Marathon Bet were allegedly paying us for shirt sponsorship in the last three years.

[The Spaceman]

I'm quite excited by this one. It's high time we sign players outside of our relative comfort zone of Scottish football. Looks like a great signing and can't wait to see him in action. Heckingbottom is a man with a plan and its great to see real structure and thought behind his signings.

[Sweet Left Peg]

Maybe he just didn't like Yeovil and thought "Let's get the Doidge outta Hell"

[The Spaceman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGftIcp2SC0

Seems like you Doige, Doige too much?

[son of haggart]

I have actually seen him play (and score two goals) in January 2017 Bromley vs Forest Green (visiting a mate).

Forest Green were very good (it was meant to be a tight top of the table struggle and my Bromley supporting mate was not amused) . Stand out for Forest green was their midfielder ?Sinclair I think and I checked his stats after thinking he could do a job in the SPL

I don't remember Doidge's goals (could have beebn the 4 pints before the game..) but I see from the report they wwere a close range one and a 94th minuter

Can't remember much about him apart from he was very active and was looking for passes behimd the defence to run on to (whch forest Green were very good at)

the only other thing I remember was reading inthe programme that forest Green were the worl'd first Vegan team!


https://www.theguardian.com/football/shortcuts/2017/may/15/forest-green-rovers-the-almost-100-vegan-football-club

[GloryGlory]

colin fenwick?

Paul Fenwick - the Mountie was a nickname.

[dchibs]

He has far better scoring record at EL2 level than Ikpeazu and Hearts fans rave about him

I watched him score a screamer in the play off final v Tranmere, noticed Cole no goal Stockton was playing for Tranmere.

[Billy Whizz]

I watched him score a screamer in the play off final v Tranmere, noticed Cole no goal Stockton was playing for Tranmere.

I like his attitude, just wants to improve

No Billy big balls with any of our signings. I like that

[DetroitHibs]

The levels he’s been scoring is about the same as Laurence Shankland. Think most would be delighted at signing him for that money. I’m prepared to give the lad a chance, see what he can do.

[GreenCastle]

Excited for this signing.

Welcome to the club - look forward to you scoring against the Jambos.

[jgl07]

Not a copper before he was at Hibs but did Dave Beaumont not join the police after his football career?
He quit Hibs to join the police.

Judging by the way he ‘failed to apprehend’ Wayne Foster in the Cup Tue in 1994, I doubt the criminals in the Lothian and Borders area were quaking in their trainers.

[The 90+2]

The levels he’s been scoring is about the same as Laurence Shankland. Think most would be delighted at signing him for that money. I’m prepared to give the lad a chance, see what he can do.

Yep. It’s not just the manager but the whole team behind the scenes that think and must be confident this is a very worthwhile and possible profitable investment, happy to pass their judgements on long term deals instead of 6 month squad fillers.

[Since452]

I can see exactly what Hecky is trying to do. Bamboozle the opposition by signing unknowns and wrap the league up by September just like Hearts last season. We shall not be moved!

[The 90+2]

I can see exactly what Hecky is trying to do. Bamboozle the opposition by signing unknowns and wrap the league up by September just like Hearts last season. We shall not be moved!

All our players have played at a higher or the same level as anyone hearts got in last summer bar Naismith who is crocked.

[Since452]

All our players have played at a higher or the same level as anyone hearts got in last summer bar Naismith who is crocked.

Very true. In all seriousness the signings look impressive

[DetroitHibs]

Yep. It’s not just the manager but the whole team behind the scenes that think and must be confident this is a very worthwhile and possible profitable investment, happy to pass their judgements on long term deals instead of 6 month squad fillers.

Exactly. Less loan signings and six month deals like Nelom, Mavrais, Spector and more signings like these. Shaping up nicely, very optimistic about next season. It also gives us a pretty settled squad going forward. If we qualify for Europe with the current squad, then we aren’t chasing our tail as much in Europe.

[CMurdoch]

He quit Hibs to join the police.

Judging by the way he ‘failed to apprehend’ Wayne Foster in the Cup Tue in 1994, I doubt the criminals in the Lothian and Borders area were quaking in their trainers.

He was a cop in Fife.
Slower neds there apparently :wink:.

[Gantin-troosers]

C'mon, feel the Doidge!!
(Slade)

Maybe not. :greengrin

"Chris Doidgey, Doi-owww-ohhhh-oidge"
(Snoop Dogg)

[nellio]

The Artful Doidger!

You probably dont know this but one of the garage duo artful dodger (rewind selecta with Craig david) comes from Cwmbran same place as Christian Doige (and me) so good choice of gag!!

[hibeejeebies]

Is it Kenny Millar asking the questions in the Hibs TV interview?

[Smartie]

You probably dont know this but one of the garage duo artful dodger (rewind selecta with Craig david) comes from Cwmbran same place as Christian Doige (and me) so good choice of gag!!

And another vowel please Carol.

[Here’s Lucy!]

Welcome to the Hibs, Christian. :thumbsup:

[overdrive]

Hopefully better than the last former basketball player we had.

[The 90+2]

Hopefully better than the last former basketball player we had.

Makalambay playing for Belgium yet?

[overdrive]

Makalambay playing for Belgium yet?

I was more thinking of another awful goalkeeper: Gottskalkson.

[007]

"Chris Doidgey, Doi-owww-ohhhh-oidge"
(Snoop Dogg)

Who let the Doidge out?
Who, who, who, who who?

[heretoday]

Seems like a good chap. Handsome devil too.

He'll have some of those hairy-arsed defenders turning their heads at the set pieces.

[Sir David Gray]

Is it Kenny Millar asking the questions in the Hibs TV interview?

Yes.

[GreenCastle]

Another good thing about him is that he seems a good character / fans down south said he’s a class act.

To fit in at Hibs you can’t just be a good player but a good person and hopefully another fans favourite like Holt.

[jacomo]

In response to the negative comments, what's a 'marquee singing' for Hibs?


#announceLeigh

[southern hibby]

All the signs are looking likely that we’re getting our first picks and signing them early. Think the board are doing an amazing job to back yet another manager as much as they can.

This could be a very special season and we might just have a striker who will bang in 15-20 this season with the service he will get from our midfield.

Still think we will get another 3-4 players in.

GGTTH

[KWJ]

I did a Forest Green save in FM2018 and he was a key player. Great in the air and banged in a heap for me. Do worry he's another James Collins but that was a different era. Looking forward to seeing him bang them home.

[One Day Soon]

And another vowel please Carol.

Go to the top of the class.

[CMurdoch]

I did a Forest Green save in FM2018 and he was a key player. Great in the air and banged in a heap for me. Do worry he's another James Collins but that was a different era. Looking forward to seeing him bang them home.

He won't be spectacular but hopefully he will be steady.
Where he scores over Collins is he will have better team mates and won't be spending too much time drinkin' up the toon.

I get the impression that Hecky doesn't sign bams or widoes

[The 90+2]

He won't be spectacular but hopefully he will be steady.
Where he scores over Collins is he will have better team mates and additionally he won't be spending too much time drinkin' up the toon.

Collins was very young when he came to Hibs with great expectations. He gets a raw deal, matured into a very good player.

[CMurdoch]

Collins was very young when he came to Hibs with great expectations. He gets a raw deal, matured into a very good player.

He definitely suffered with joining a junk team. Timing is everything. He has certainly proved he was worth £200k since moving on.

[Unseen work]

“We never reinvest funds into the squad”

*Hibernian sign Doidge for 350k

”oh I dunno about this, spending money on a league 2 player”

Unbelievable :confused:

Any decent player in League 1 or above that is performing well and under contract will be out of our budget. I don’t know what some fans expect.

[DetroitHibs]

“We never reinvest funds into the squad”

*Hibernian sign Doidge for 350k

”oh I dunno about this, spending money on a league 2 player”

Unbelievable :confused:

Any decent player in League 1 or above that is performing well and under contract will be out of our budget. I don’t know what some fans expect.

Haven't heard the club confirm that figure :wink:

[Haymaker]

#announceLeigh

:hyper

[NAE NOOKIE]

The start of the season should be interesting, apart from Scott Allan I ( unsurprisingly ) haven't heard of a single one of our new guys. But anything north of £200,000 is a massive amount for us to be paying out for a player so we must think a hell of a lot of this latest one …. please let him be worth it.

Anyway, welcome to Hibs Christian :aok:

[HoboHarry]

:hyper
Haw knock it off you - don't you have any snow to clear from your drive? :greengrin

[Haymaker]

Haw knock it off you - don't you have any snow to clear from your drive? :greengrin

Naw, just hiding from thunder storms

[Tug Wilson]

“We never reinvest funds into the squad”

*Hibernian sign Doidge for 350k

”oh I dunno about this, spending money on a league 2 player”

Unbelievable :confused:

Any decent player in League 1 or above that is performing well and under contract will be out of our budget. I don’t know what some fans expect.

"Here's hoping Hecky signs a few rough diamonds from the English lower leagues"

Hibs sign Doidge (potentially James)

"Why are we signing these lower league players?"

As you say - unbelievable.

Think a few folk on here like to position themselves so they can go "I told you so" and try and look like some football genius if the player doesn't do well.

If he does then they give it the "glad to be proven wrong" chat.

However, some make their minds up before the player kicks a ball for the club and will never change their stance even if the player is brilliant.

[Vault Boy]

Honestly, there are more people concerned that fans are moaning, than there are fans that are actually moaning.

Vast majority seem happy to welcome Christian and are excited to see what he brings.

[Itsnoteasy]

And another vowel please Carol.

You've no watched that programme for years it's Rachel & she is smokin

[therealgavmac]

A marquee singing is probably a very camp version.........

I saw what you did there :greengrin


It should be “marque” shouldn’t it?

[G B Young]

Sounds like a decent player. Welcome to Hibs.

[hibbyfraelibby]

In response to the negative comments, what's a 'marquee singing' for Hibs?

A big tent with a massive PA/Entertainment system?

[heretoday]

A big tent with a massive PA/Entertainment system?

A guy called Mark Edwards - known as Mark E to his mates?

[Peevemor]

A guy called Mark Edwards - known as Mark E to his mates?

I was thinking more of this guy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Wahlberg

[Diclonius]

I generally moan about our recruitment in the summer window but absolutely nothing to complain about this time. We've done what we should do ever year - spent money on players to come in early for pre-season.

I don't really care who we've spent 350k on - the fact that we have in the first place is a statement of intent and we wouldn't be spending it if anyone involved at the club didn't think it would be worth it.

[Oscar T Grouch]

I’m gonna adopt Forest Green Rovers as my English team! Like Son of Haggart said above they’re the first vegan approved team in the world. Just read a bit about it and they’ve made all their kiosk food vegan! I would love to see Hibs go down this route.

[AugustaHibs]

I’m gonna adopt Forest Green Rovers as my English team! Like Son of Haggart said above they’re the first vegan approved team in the world. Just read a bit about it and they’ve made all their kiosk food vegan! I would love to see Hibs go down this route.

I wouldn’t, nothing more than a ‘look at me’ statement

[Oscar T Grouch]

I wouldn’t, nothing more than a ‘look at me’ statement

No it’s not. It’s a true concern about what meat production is doing to the planet. What a cynical and ignorant post.

[Humo]

I wouldn’t, nothing more than a ‘look at me’ statementAye 'look at me making a difference and helping the planet'

Disgusting behaviour and I hope our club never goes down that dangerous route

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[AugustaHibs]

I don't disagree with people being vegan and yes it probably is a good cause, but you cant seriously think it'd be a good idea for hibs to go fully vegan? all you need to do is have a look at the stadium improvements thread and imagine how that would go down

[we are hibs]

The pies are bad enough at Easter road without them becoming vegan pies.

[007]

I’m gonna adopt Forest Green Rovers as my English team! Like Son of Haggart said above they’re the first vegan approved team in the world. Just read a bit about it and they’ve made all their kiosk food vegan! I would love to see Hibs go down this route.

He's going from one green team to another. Maybe he thought we were all environmentally friendly too.

[500miles]

Hearts should go vegan. Since we won the Scottish cup, they've needed something new to go on and on and on and on and on and on about.

[highland hibbee]

When he played part time for Carmathen Town he also worked for the police - have we ever signed a copper before? :greengrin

Didnt Dave Beaumont or Bowman however it’s spelt. He who jogged alongside Wayne Foster when he should have taken him out, join the Constabulary after he retired

[Oscar T Grouch]

I don't disagree with people being vegan and yes it probably is a good cause, but you cant seriously think it'd be a good idea for hibs to go fully vegan? all you need to do is have a look at the stadium improvements thread and imagine how that would go down

Vegan food is amazing nowadays. It is generally healthy, there’s less damage to the environment and if it edges more people toward this sort of lifestyle it is better for everyone. I bet you could replace the minging pies at Easter road with vegan ones and most people would be happy. But then again I’m biased toward this sort of food. I know the levels of meat that go into pies there’ll at Easter road so it wouldn’t take much to make them vegan 😝

[AugustaHibs]

Vegan food is amazing nowadays. It is generally healthy, there’s less damage to the environment and if it edges more people toward this sort of lifestyle it is better for everyone. I bet you could replace the minging pies at Easter road with vegan ones and most people would be happy. But then again I’m biased toward this sort of food. I know the levels of meat that go into pies there’ll at Easter road so it wouldn’t take much to make them vegan 😝

I'm not disagreeing with you in terms of positives environmentally etc but I like to choose if I eat meat or not, why can't people allow others to choose what they want to eat? if you want to eat veg etc crack on but if I want to have a steak pie that sticks to the casing and is freezing cold in the middle then that should be my choice

[Oscar T Grouch]

I'm not disagreeing with you in terms of positives environmentally etc but I like to choose if I eat meat or not, why can't people allow others to choose what they want to eat? if you want to eat veg etc crack on but if I want to have a steak pie that sticks to the casing and is freezing cold in the middle then that should be my choice

It’s just good seeing a club make a stance. The more that do it the more people will think about it. Nothing moves forward without change. Personally I don’t care what other eat, but I do see the damage the way humans eat is effecting the planet. If we don’t change it won’t be a hundred years when we cannot produce enough it will be in 20-30 years. Edinburgh is currently ranked one of the best places in the world to be vegan. I think it would be great if we helped that ranking. On the environmental side it takes 15000 litres of water to produce 1kg of beef, it take 4000 litres to produce 1kg of vegetable protein. We are suffering water shortages all over the planet. Veganism wont be a choice for the coming generations it will be a necessity and I’m talking about kids who have already been born. Anyway I’m gonna stop banging my vegan drum. It would be nice to have a vegan option at ER that isn’t chips but until that happens I’ll just not buy anything at the kiosks. 🌱

[Smartie]

Surely by now we have vegan alternatives for the pigeons' beaks and pigs' scrotums that go into the pies?

[Sir David Gray]

I’m gonna adopt Forest Green Rovers as my English team! Like Son of Haggart said above they’re the first vegan approved team in the world. Just read a bit about it and they’ve made all their kiosk food vegan! I would love to see Hibs go down this route.

Why?

[DetroitHibs]

Didnt Dave Beaumont or Bowman however it’s spelt. He who jogged alongside Wayne Foster when he should have taken him out, join the Constabulary after he retired

Did you really have to bring up that moment. I remember sitting in the Cowshed with my auld man and watching it happen in slow motion. ****ing battered them that day too.

[Hibernian Verse]

Why?Because Vegans have to impress their Veganism on everyone. It's just boring now.

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[Vault Boy]

Because Vegans have to impress their Veganism on everyone. It's just boring now.

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I'm not vegan, but I don't see anybody doing that. It was just a poster who said they would personally like to see it happen. Hardly evangelising is it?

[SolentHibee]

Its not rocket science, provide choice; I’m ok with vegan or vegetarian food, and I believe Hibs should provide both, as well as the usual dross they deliver.

Why on earth do we only do the chips and boiled pizza option?

[Marvellous]

Because Vegans have to impress their Veganism on everyone. It's just boring now.

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What's truly boring is that lazy stereotype.

For every loud and proud vegan there are more than an equal number of loud and proud meat eaters. The vast majority of people on either side are reasonable and can have a civil discussion (as has happened in this thread).

[hibbyfraelibby]

I’m gonna adopt Forest Green Rovers as my English team! Like Son of Haggart said above they’re the first vegan approved team in the world. Just read a bit about it and they’ve made all their kiosk food vegan! I would love to see Hibs go down this route.

Hibs kiosks have been vegan for years...I challenge anyone to find meat in any of their pies.

[Iggy Pope]

Turn your back for 5 mins and you come back to ****ing Jeremy Vine.

[Bostonhibby]

Surely by now we have vegan alternatives for the pigeons' beaks and pigs' scrotums that go into the pies?Do keep up, it's been sawdust and wallpaper paste for years now.

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[The 90+2]

Turn your back for 5 mins and you come back to ****ing Jeremy Vine.

😁😁😁

[Bostonhibby]

Leave the vegans alone, Mr Spock carried Star Trek for years

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[SouthMoroccoStu]

Leave the vegans alone, Mr Spock carried Star Trek for years

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Lol brilliant

[Crab apple]

Its not rocket science, provide choice; I’m ok with vegan or vegetarian food, and I believe Hibs should provide both, as well as the usual dross they deliver.

Why on earth do we only do the chips and boiled pizza option?

Far too sensible a post.

My daughter’s vegan so I'm all for more choice. I’d also thoroughly recommend Seitan Bacon.

[bigwheel]

This is very funny - has there ever been a thread that has taken such a different turn

[1van Sprou7e]

Going vegan would absolutely improve the state of the pies we serve, and that's not a compliment to vegan pies. So for that reason alone I'm all for it

[DetroitHibs]

*******s, could murder a half dozen Blaine’s Pies.

[hfc rd]

I’m gonna adopt Forest Green Rovers as my English team! Like Son of Haggart said above they’re the first vegan approved team in the world. Just read a bit about it and they’ve made all their kiosk food vegan! I would love to see Hibs go down this route.


So let me get this straight, you are going to adopt a random English league 2 team as your favourite English team because they sell vegan food in their turnstile kiosks? 😳

Sorry but that just sounds f****** mad!

[HoboHarry]

So let me get this straight, you are going to adopt a random English league 2 team as your favourite English team because they sell vegan food in their turnstile kiosks? 😳

Sorry but that just sounds f****** mad!
No it's not - well done steak is f*****g mad and a waste of good meat......

[hfc rd]

No it's not - well done steak is f*****g mad and a waste of good meat......


Nothing at all against the poster being vegan. That’s his choice and I respect that. But I just find it crazy that you’d adopt a team because of their food. I’ve never heard that one before.

For instance, I like a Killie pie at Rugby Park. Doesn’t mean I’m gonna like Kilmarnock.

Also, I like my steak medium rare, not well done

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Sure that I saw a documentary about Forrest Green and they have grass growing on the roofs of their stands and all the club cars are electric. Good on them for trying something different and original.

[HoboHarry]

Nothing at all against the poster being vegan. That’s his choice and I respect that. But I just find it crazy that you’d adopt a team because of their food. I’ve never heard that one before.

For instance, I like a Killie pie at Rugby Park. Doesn’t mean I’m gonna like Kilmarnock.

Also, I like my steak medium rare, not well done
Was trying to be light hearted mate. Blue steak for me - just wave it in front of the grill and call it good........ :greengrin

[elevengoats]

I’m gonna adopt Forest Green Rovers as my English team! Like Son of Haggart said above they’re the first vegan approved team in the world. Just read a bit about it and they’ve made all their kiosk food vegan! I would love to see Hibs go down this route.

Agree 100%!

[Since452]

I’m gonna adopt Forest Green Rovers as my English team! Like Son of Haggart said above they’re the first vegan approved team in the world. Just read a bit about it and they’ve made all their kiosk food vegan! I would love to see Hibs go down this route.

Not for me. I love a steak pie at half time

[Bangkok Hibby]

I’m gonna adopt Forest Green Rovers as my English team! Like Son of Haggart said above they’re the first vegan approved team in the world. Just read a bit about it and they’ve made all their kiosk food vegan! I would love to see Hibs go down this route.

Excellent. Those shouting "save the pie" could wait 90 minutes surely 👍🏻😄

[Oscar T Grouch]

So let me get this straight, you are going to adopt a random English league 2 team as your favourite English team because they sell vegan food in their turnstile kiosks? 😳

Sorry but that just sounds f****** mad!

I have little to no connections to England, my granddad was English but I never knew him so no connection there, my uncle is English and couldn’t be less interested in football. So why is it ****ing mad that I pick an English team that supports one of my philosophies of life (they don’t just sell vegan food at kiosks, maybe go and have a read about them and see what they do before belittling what they do down to their food kiosk sales). Is that mad? Really, supporting a team because you find a connection with it is mad? So why do you support Hibs? It can’t be because you have a connection with them can it? Cause that’s ****ing mad isn’t it? People support things because they like them or they have something in common with them. My faither is a Jambo, lucky for me I don’t have anything in common with that wife beating waste of space apart from some dna. I started supporting Hibs because I found a connection with the club and their supporters, I chose Hibs when everything would point me in the direction of hearts because I felt a commonality with other Hibs fans, is it mad that I support Hibs and not hearts?

[EskbankHibby]

Welcome Christian, make yourself a legend.

This thread confirms that people will argue about ANYTHING in the close season. Can’t wait for the season to start.

We’re all Hibby’s here, doesn’t matter where you’re from, what you eat, who your god is or your reason for supporting the club. All are welcome at Easter Road.

[Oscar T Grouch]

Because Vegans have to impress their Veganism on everyone. It's just boring now.

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Yeah cause I walk about a vegan friendly city bombarded with adverts for Vegan products where every restaurant advertises their vegan food, where every advertising board doesn’t have fried chicken or reconstituted meat patties emblazoned on them. I’ve never see anything about meat eating on cookery programs there aren’t any cool books with recipes for meat because meat eaters keep really quiet about their choice to eat dead animal carcasses. You’re right, this thread I think is the 2nd time I’m mentioned veganism on .net, once before in the PM forum so I apologise for impressing my veganism on you, your delicate little meat eating mind must be tired of the bombardment it receives everyday from us militant vegans forcing our vegetable eating upon you. I will desist from this horrible crime immediately.

[overdrive]

This is one of the strangest instances of a thread going way off topic.

[DetroitHibs]

All that bread and grain food products that Vegans consume..... Most of it consumed contains dead animals like mice, rabbit and other small animals.

[neil7908]

Well this thread has taken a turn...

[Since452]

This is one of the strangest instances of a thread going way off topic.

😂

[mjhibby]

Welcome Christian, make yourself a legend.

This thread confirms that people will argue about ANYTHING in the close season. Can’t wait for the season to start.

We’re all Hibby’s here, doesn’t matter where you’re from, what you eat, who your god is or your reason for supporting the club. All are welcome at Easter Road.

Life would be very dull if we all agreed on everything but there is a few on here who it seems can't wait to disagree. We don't sign players early enough. Hecky does then it's they are lower English league players. We sign what looks a very exciting defender on a three year deal and we still have grumbles remembering where sir David came from.
It's maybe just our Edinburgh nature to be pessimistic but boy do some take it to extremes.
Supporting Hibs is all about a rollercoaster of highs and lows. The last few seasons have been the best for a long while and we now have a cracking manager and our biggest attendances figures for decades.with apologies to yazz,the only way is up.

[we are hibs]

Is Doidge a vegan? He looks a bit thin. Think we need to beef him up a bit.

[Bangkok Hibby]

I have little to no connections to England, my granddad was English but I never knew him so no connection there, my uncle is English and couldn’t be less interested in football. So why is it ****ing mad that I pick an English team that supports one of my philosophies of life (they don’t just sell vegan food at kiosks, maybe go and have a read about them and see what they do before belittling what they do down to their food kiosk sales). Is that mad? Really, supporting a team because you find a connection with it is mad? So why do you support Hibs? It can’t be because you have a connection with them can it? Cause that’s ****ing mad isn’t it? People support things because they like them or they have something in common with them. My faither is a Jambo, lucky for me I don’t have anything in common with that wife beating waste of space apart from some dna. I started supporting Hibs because I found a connection with the club and their supporters, I chose Hibs when everything would point me in the direction of hearts because I felt a commonality with other Hibs fans, is it mad that I support Hibs and not hearts?


Great post...well said :thumbsup:

[The_Horde]

Is Doidge a vegan? He looks a bit thin. Think we need to beef him up a bit.

No. He's Welsh.

[lyonhibs]

Yeah cause I walk about a vegan friendly city bombarded with adverts for Vegan products where every restaurant advertises their vegan food, where every advertising board doesn’t have fried chicken or reconstituted meat patties emblazoned on them. I’ve never see anything about meat eating on cookery programs there aren’t any cool books with recipes for meat because meat eaters keep really quiet about their choice to eat dead animal carcasses. You’re right, this thread I think is the 2nd time I’m mentioned veganism on .net, once before in the PM forum so I apologise for impressing my veganism on you, your delicate little meat eating mind must be tired of the bombardment it receives everyday from us militant vegans forcing our vegetable eating upon you. I will desist from this horrible crime immediately.

Oooooh methinks she doth protest too much :faf::faf::faf:

The arguments people get into on this board never cease to amaze and amuse me.

Welcome to our new striker, which was the original point of the thread.

[Eyrie]

Well this thread has taken a turn...

It's certainly something for posters to get their teeth into.

As regards proper vegetarian or vegan options in the kiosks, why not? It's the 21st century.

[SaulGoodman]

Yeah cause I walk about a vegan friendly city bombarded with adverts for Vegan products where every restaurant advertises their vegan food, where every advertising board doesn’t have fried chicken or reconstituted meat patties emblazoned on them. I’ve never see anything about meat eating on cookery programs there aren’t any cool books with recipes for meat because meat eaters keep really quiet about their choice to eat dead animal carcasses. You’re right, this thread I think is the 2nd time I’m mentioned veganism on .net, once before in the PM forum so I apologise for impressing my veganism on you, your delicate little meat eating mind must be tired of the bombardment it receives everyday from us militant vegans forcing our vegetable eating upon you. I will desist from this horrible crime immediately.

What the actual ****

[neil7908]

So let me get this straight, you are going to adopt a random English league 2 team as your favourite English team because they sell vegan food in their turnstile kiosks? 😳

Sorry but that just sounds f****** mad!

It's better than most reasons - glory hunting.

There's an awful lot of Liverpool, Manchester United, Manchester City fans in Scotland. Whilst I'm sure some have connections to the those teams or places, the fact they are and have been wildly successful is a major factor and far worse for the game than someone following a lower league side as their second team.

[SideBurns]

You probably dont know this but one of the garage duo artful dodger (rewind selecta with Craig david) comes from Cwmbran same place as Christian Doige (and me) so good choice of gag!!

I didn't know that Nellio, but one of those daft wee coincidences!

I just hope he's one of those strikers who are lucky in front of goal - then he'll be a jammy Doidger...

[Iain G]

I’d also thoroughly recommend Seitan Bacon.

Is he a defensive midfielder from the English second tier? :greengrin

[WhileTheChief..]

LD will be all over this Vegan suggestion I’d imagine.

I was joking the other day about avocado and couscous but man, it could be on it’s way.

Need to do something about the floodlights though, if we keep using them we’re gonna kill the planet.

[Seekyit]

Apparently seagulls are becoming more aggressive as they're eating too much junk food and it's messing with their heads/metabolism.

Just think, vegan food, chilled out seagulls.

[Bostonhibby]

Apparently seagulls are becoming more aggressive as they're eating too much junk food and it's messing with their heads/metabolism.

Just think, vegan food, chilled out seagulls.There was a thread somewhere on here talking about how cheap drugs had become in the city, feed them all a big joint before KO, problem solved.

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[Iggy Pope]

There was a thread somewhere on here talking about how cheap drugs had become in the city, feed them all a big joint before KO, problem solved.

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Vegan, hippy seagulls. Man. Cosmic.

[Bostonhibby]

Vegan, hippy seagulls. Man. Cosmic.Am with you, and the cosmic gulls, can hear them already[emoji111]

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[matty_f]

Vegan, hippy seagulls. Man. Cosmic.

Vegan hippy seagulls, wasn't that a song by REM?

[Sudds_1]

LD will be all over this Vegan suggestion I’d imagine.

I was joking the other day about avocado and couscous but man, it could be on it’s way.

Need to do something about the floodlights though, if we keep using them we’re gonna kill the planet.

So....we shld all vote green i guess 😁

[Eyrie]

So....we shld all vote green i guess ��

Everyone on here is green.

With white sleeves, obviously.

[gorgie greens]

Been local to where Christian has played I asked local and his dad is one of my friends drinking mates , I was told everything he has got so far was done by hard graft , was told he is a really nice guy and he will get goals for us .
The local pub where my mate drinks will be making a few visits up once the season starts so I have already included myself in that.