Punk Era

[Paloschi]

Was just listening to The Skids this morning. What a band! For those of you lucky to be alive when punk rock was in it's prime (sex pistols, the damned etc) I have a couple of questions. Did any of you have any experiences meeting any band members? My Dad had his pint nabbed by Joe Strummer!

Also, what other punk bands were good/big at the time?

[Johnny Clash]

Was just listening to The Skids this morning. What a band! For those of you lucky to be alive when punk rock was in it's prime (sex pistols, the damned etc) I have a couple of questions. Did any of you have any experiences meeting any band members? My Dad had his pint nabbed by Joe Strummer!

Also, what other punk bands were good/big at the time?

Met the Skids backstage after they played Prestonpans town hall back in June 1978. Their latest single had just been played on TOTP that week and it was clear their days playing such small local venues would be numbered. I was only 14 but had already seen them support the Stranglers at a secret gig in Clouds. They were great! . There was an old piano backstage and I remember everyone singing a Mott the Hoople song after the gig. Amazingly loads of bands from that punk/new wave era are still going: Magazine, Pete Murphy (Bauhaus), Damned to name a few.

One band in particular I’d recommend is the Pete Perret band (ex The Only Ones). Saw them two weeks ago and they were superb. No idea how Pete Perret is still alive given his heavy addictions back in the day but he’s an amazing talent!

[G B Young]

Met the Skids backstage after they played Prestonpans town hall back in June 1978. Their latest single had just been played on TOTP that week and it was clear their days playing such small local venues would be numbered. I was only 14 but had already seen them support the Stranglers at a secret gig in Clouds. They were great! . There was an old piano backstage and I remember everyone singing a Mott the Hoople song after the gig. Amazingly loads of bands from that punk/new wave era are still going: Magazine, Pete Murphy (Bauhaus), Damned to name a few.

One band in particular I’d recommend is the Pete Perret band (ex The Only Ones). Saw them two weeks ago and they were superb. No idea how Pete Perret is still alive given his heavy addictions back in the day but he’s an amazing talent!

As you say it's remarkable to hear he's still around, let alone performing. Another Girl, Another Planet was one of the greatest songs to come out of that era, or indeed any era.

[G B Young]

Was just listening to The Skids this morning. What a band! For those of you lucky to be alive when punk rock was in it's prime (sex pistols, the damned etc) I have a couple of questions. Did any of you have any experiences meeting any band members? My Dad had his pint nabbed by Joe Strummer!

Also, what other punk bands were good/big at the time?

Stood next to Joe Strummer at the urinals when he was playing Edinburgh (Coasters I think) in his post-Clash days with the Latino Rockabilly War !

The 'big three' back then were the Sex Pistols, the Clash and the Damned. The Pistols set things ablaze but burned out very quickly, although their classic singles are still as thrilling as the day they were first aired. The Damned were more cartoonish and lacked the depth of the Clash, but they're still going in some format to this day. The Clash had a terrific songwriting duo in Strummer and Mick Jones. When you consider their third album London Calling came out only a couple of years or so after their debut album their musical development as a band was remarkable. Strummer could speak as much nonsense as sense back in the day, but he was a magnetic and much-loved front man, while in bassist Paul Simonon they had a bass player whose good looks and sartorial style influences the wardrobe of a generation of men to this day! When Strummer and Jones buried the hatched a few years after the classic Clash line-up broke up, they collaborated on a few excellent songs for Jones' later band Big Audio Dynamite which hinted at what the Clash could have become had they been able to hold things together.

As good as any of those bands IMHO, though less commercially successful, were Stiff Little Fingers. In their original guise they were simply explosive. Also from Northern Ireland were the Undertones, another great band, who while less 'punk' or political than SLF turned out some terrific singles about everyday life.

Buzzcocks also released some brilliant stuff, while there were stacks of one-hit wonder bands around whose singles defined the era. Check out Sound of the Suburbs by the Members, Gary Gilmore's Eyes by the Adverts and Oh Bondage Up Yours by X-Ray Spex.

Outwith the UK, honourable mention should go to the Ramones, who came out of the same CBGB's stable as Blondie and Talking Heads and were hugely influential.

[degenerated]

Was just listening to The Skids this morning. What a band! For those of you lucky to be alive when punk rock was in it's prime (sex pistols, the damned etc) I have a couple of questions. Did any of you have any experiences meeting any band members? My Dad had his pint nabbed by Joe Strummer!

Also, what other punk bands were good/big at the time?

I was a bit young for the first wave but grew up on 2nd wave bands which were a bit more political and down to earth than the art school types involved in first wave. Met quite a few folk from bands over the years like Mensi from the Angelic Upstartss, Wattie Buchan from the exploited, Gene October from Chelsea, Mad Muffett from Slaughter and the Dogs. and had some great laughs at many, many punk gigs. Also met a few complete bell ends like Nick Cash from 999 and Max Splodge.

Its such a broad spectrum of music that has diversified and evolved over the years that there are so many bands that are worth listening to.

From the first wave of UK Bands i would suggest listening to:

- Slaughter and the Dogs - "Do it dog style"
- 999 - "999"
- X-Ray spex - "germ free adolescents"
- Vibrators - "pure mania"
- Stiff Little Fingers - "Inflammable Material"
- UK Subs - "another kind of blues"
- Chelsea - "Chelsea"

From American Early Stuff

- Ramones - "Ramones", "Leave Home" adn "Rocket to Russia" are my favourite ones
- Dictators - "Go Girl Crazy"
- Dead Boys - "Young Loud & Snotty"
- Johnny Thunders & The Heartbreakers - "L.A.M.F."
- Television - "Marquee Moon"


You could listen to some of the bans that were a pre-cursor to the punk scene that started in USA - MC5, The Stooges and The New York Dolls probably the best of those.

There are some good second wave uk bands that came out in the 80's including The Adicts, Angelic Upstarts, The Business, Cock Sparrer, Exploited, The Ejected, Abrasive Wheels, The Threats, Menace, GBH. There was also a lot of generic rubbish under the Oi banner being promoted by Garry Bushell at that time which is well worth avoiding and sometimes a bit right wing for my liking.

There were also some great Anarcho Punk bands around that time like:

- Conflict
- Discharge
- Varukers
- Sub-Humans
- Crass
- Oi Polloi

A lot of great stuff from the early 80's in theamerican hardcore scene with bands like:

- Bad Religion
- Regan Youth
- Adolescents
- Gang green
- Dead kennedys
- DOA
- Misfits
- Circle Jerks
- Black Flag
- Minor Threat
- Bad Brains
- Beastie Boys (from the early 80's)
- Germs

of the above Black Flag and the Dead Kennedy's are the stand outs.

i stopped collecting records as much towards 2000, so i caught a lot of the re-emergence of american punk in the early 90's onwards with bands like Rancid, NOFX, Face to Face, Swinging Utters, The Dwarves, Dropkick Murphys, Screeching Weasel, The Descendents..........


There's a very, very potted history but some stuff in there you might find you like, some you might hate too :greengrin

If you want a whole live experience try The Rebellion Festival in Blackpool in August - it pretty much covers the whole spectrum of punk rock over 3 or 4 days. I've not been for a good few years but used to go religously until old age got the better of me :greengrin

http://www.rebellionfestivals.com/

[Hibrandenburg]

Punk was new and vibrant back in the day but hasn't aged well imo.

[G B Young]

I was a bit young for the first wave but grew up on 2nd wave bands which were a bit more political and down to earth than the art school types involved in first wave. Met quite a few folk from bands over the years like Mensi from the Angelic Upstartss, Wattie Buchan from the exploited, Gene October from Chelsea, Mad Muffett from Slaughter and the Dogs. and had some great laughs at many, many punk gigs. Also met a few complete bell ends like Nick Cash from 999 and Max Splodge.

Its such a broad spectrum of music that has diversified and evolved over the years that there are so many bands that are worth listening to.

From the first wave of UK Bands i would suggest listening to:

- Slaughter and the Dogs - "Do it dog style"
- 999 - "999"
- X-Ray spex - "germ free adolescents"
- Vibrators - "pure mania"
- Stiff Little Fingers - "Inflammable Material"
- UK Subs - "another kind of blues"
- Chelsea - "Chelsea"

From American Early Stuff

- Ramones - "Ramones", "Leave Home" adn "Rocket to Russia" are my favourite ones
- Dictators - "Go Girl Crazy"
- Dead Boys - "Young Loud & Snotty"
- Johnny Thunders & The Heartbreakers - "L.A.M.F."
- Television - "Marquee Moon"


You could listen to some of the bans that were a pre-cursor to the punk scene that started in USA - MC5, The Stooges and The New York Dolls probably the best of those.

There are some good second wave uk bands that came out in the 80's including The Adicts, Angelic Upstarts, The Business, Cock Sparrer, Exploited, The Ejected, Abrasive Wheels, The Threats, Menace, GBH. There was also a lot of generic rubbish under the Oi banner being promoted by Garry Bushell at that time which is well worth avoiding and sometimes a bit right wing for my liking.

There were also some great Anarcho Punk bands around that time like:

- Conflict
- Discharge
- Varukers
- Sub-Humans
- Crass
- Oi Polloi

A lot of great stuff from the early 80's in theamerican hardcore scene with bands like:

- Bad Religion
- Regan Youth
- Adolescents
- Gang green
- Dead kennedys
- DOA
- Misfits
- Circle Jerks
- Black Flag
- Minor Threat
- Bad Brains
- Beastie Boys (from the early 80's)
- Germs

of the above Black Flag and the Dead Kennedy's are the stand outs.

i stopped collecting records as much towards 2000, so i caught a lot of the re-emergence of american punk in the early 90's onwards with bands like Rancid, NOFX, Face to Face, Swinging Utters, The Dwarves, Dropkick Murphys, Screeching Weasel, The Descendents..........


There's a very, very potted history but some stuff in there you might find you like, some you might hate too :greengrin

If you want a whole live experience try The Rebellion Festival in Blackpool in August - it pretty much covers the whole spectrum of punk rock over 3 or 4 days. I've not been for a good few years but used to go religously until old age got the better of me :greengrin

http://www.rebellionfestivals.com/

I recall I once had the trio of Punk and Disorderly compilations released in the early 80s. Must have sold them at some stage, but there was a great single on there called No Room For You by Demob that I used to listen to often.

[Johnny Clash]

I think the ‘punk attitude ‘ changed a lot of musical snobbery for good. It blew a hole through the notion you needed to be well educated and a muso to form a band. It kind of reached back to the very formation of rock n’ roll and if you had a talent you could pick up an instrument and let rip. DIY clothing , anti-fashion lasted about two years then punk uniforms were sold to the masses who wanted to buy into the rebellion thing. Even now, hordes of ‘punks’ can be seen herding in the likes of Camden or at some gigs with the standard shop bought gear. It’s good to remember the lasting influence from that time can still be seen in groups today who openly pay homage to the bands from the 1976-1978 era. Some of it was corny, manufactured but the main wave of energy and attitude gave loads of us the confidence to do stuff we’d otherwise never have done!

[degenerated]

Punk was new and vibrant back in the day but hasn't aged well imo.


I don't accept that at all :na na:

[G B Young]

I think the ‘punk attitude ‘ changed a lot of musical snobbery for good. It blew a hole through the notion you needed to be well educated and a muso to form a band. It kind of reached back to the very formation of rock n’ roll and if you had a talent you could pick up an instrument and let rip. DIY clothing , anti-fashion lasted about two years then punk uniforms were sold to the masses who wanted to buy into the rebellion thing. Even now, hordes of ‘punks’ can be seen herding in the likes of Camden or at some gigs with the standard shop bought gear. It’s good to remember the lasting influence from that time can still be seen in groups today who openly pay homage to the bands from the 1976-1978 era. Some of it was corny, manufactured but the main wave of energy and attitude gave loads of us the confidence to do stuff we’d otherwise never have done!

What was also healthy was the way the early punk era opened up other musical genres and cultures that young British kids might not otherwise have embraced. The social unrest of the time played a part in the coming together of punk and reggae and subsequently a ska revival. The Clash in particular as well as John Lydon were pretty eclectic in their musical influences and I recall listening to a few shows Strummer did for the BBC World Service (basically an opportunity for him to play all his favourite songs) and being struck by how many artists I'd come to enjoy as a result of punk.

[Hiber-nation]

Was just listening to The Skids this morning. What a band! For those of you lucky to be alive when punk rock was in it's prime (sex pistols, the damned etc) I have a couple of questions. Did any of you have any experiences meeting any band members? My Dad had his pint nabbed by Joe Strummer!

Also, what other punk bands were good/big at the time?

William Mysterious of the Rezillos peed on my foot in the toilets at Clouds before their gig there back in 78 or whatever.

Paul and John Mackie of the Scars were 2/3 years below me at school in Currie, great lads.

[MSK]

Knew the lead singer from Oi Polloi, he inspired us to put a punk band together but we were ****ter than **** !!

See and chat to Wattie Buchan from the Exploited now and then.

Knew Stuart Adamson post skids quite well before he tragically took his own life.

[Peevemor]

William Mysterious of the Rezillos peed on my foot in the toilets at Clouds before their gig there back in 78 or whatever.

Paul and John Mackie of the Scars were 2/3 years below me at school in Currie, great lads.William Mysterious (Ali Donaldson) was also from Currie.

He was an architect and turned up unannounced at our office in the mid-late 90s looking for a job, complete with his design for the Scottish Parliament building on a roll of crumpled tracing paper under his arm. The design was well thought out and very interesting but you could tell he had his demons at that time.

I spoke to him a few times later when he was playing in the Oak, Bells and the like and he seemed a lot more settled.

He was also an original member of Silly Wizard but, as he did with other groups, he left at exactly the wrong time.

[Peevemor]

I don't know if this will mean anything to anyone (it certainly wouldn't have for me if I was still in Scotland), but I know Loran from French punk group Bérurier Noir pretty well.

https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loran_B%C3%A9ru

I could write screeds about him but suffice to say that he's a sponge for knowledge and is one of the brightest, genuine, selfless and most interesting people that I know. Not many, myself included, would get that impression that on first sight.

[G B Young]

Knew the lead singer from Oi Polloi, he inspired us to put a punk band together but we were ****ter than **** !!

See and chat to Wattie Buchan from the Exploited now and then.

Knew Stuart Adamson post skids quite well before he tragically took his own life.

I remember being taken aback by how upsetting I found the news about Stuart Adamson.

I was at a wedding a few years back and there was a covers band playing called the Honeymoons who were a cut above most such bands. Turned out the lead singer was Stuart's daughter Kirsten. Here she is with a former band the Gillyflowers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8ij_CqcRdE

[Lester B]

As someone who probably spends more time on music forums than football ones this is fascinating thread.

We can all agree on football. I thought I liked music from that era and without wishing to offend anyone (the ultimate musical fanboy opening line) loads of the stuff listed here is dire.

I know that won't be a popular opinion but sheesh I've just read it again

[MSK]

I remember being taken aback by how upsetting I found the news about Stuart Adamson.

I was at a wedding a few years back and there was a covers band playing called the Honeymoons who were a cut above most such bands. Turned out the lead singer was Stuart's daughter Kirsten. Here she is with a former band the Gillyflowers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8ij_CqcRdEI remember Kirsten and the Gillyflowers well, some catchy tunes, she is a very unique talent, a former work colleagues Daughter in law was also in the group, think she does a lot of start up bands with the Vaultetts (I think) being a recent project.

[degenerated]

I don't know if this will mean anything to anyone (it certainly wouldn't have for me if I was still in Scotland), but I know Loran from French punk group Bérurier Noir pretty well.

https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loran_B%C3%A9ru

I could write screeds about him but suffice to say that he's a sponge for knowledge and is one of the brightest, genuine, selfless and most interesting people that I know. Not many, myself included, would get that impression that on first sight.Never heard of them but will check them out

Going back about 20 years there was a mental hardcore band called Brezhnev from Holland that crashed at my flat when they played Edinburgh.
I had visions of a trashed gaff but it was quite the opposite, a late night and a lot of drink admittedly. When I said there was only one spare bed they insisted their driver had it. One of them slept in the van to make sure no one nicked their gear and when he came up in the morning he said he'd been woken up by the old woman on the ground floor who took him out a cup of tea [emoji16]
They evem did the dishes and hoovered before they left. :greengrin

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[degenerated]

As someone who probably spends more time on music forums than football ones this is fascinating thread.

We can all agree on football. I thought I liked music from that era and without wishing to offend anyone (the ultimate musical fanboy opening line) loads of the stuff listed here is dire.

I know that won't be a popular opinion but sheesh I've just read it againIt would be a dull place if we all liked the same thing.

I'll really put the cat amongst the pigeons and state that the clash only had one great album and London calling is no better than average :stirrer:

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[Hiber-nation]

William Mysterious (Ali Donaldson) was also from Currie.

He was an architect and turned up unannounced at our office in the mid-late 90s looking for a job, complete with his design for the Scottish Parliament building on a roll of crumpled tracing paper under his arm. The design was well thought out and very interesting but you could tell he had his demons at that time.

I spoke to him a few times later when he was playing in the Oak, Bells and the like and he seemed a lot more settled.

He was also an original member of Silly Wizard but, as he did with other groups, he left at exactly the wrong time.

Now I've heard this before, might have been from your good self. I knew he was from Currie, but I never knew him. Yes, a troubled soul for a while, don't know what happened to him.

[Lester B]

It would be a dull place if we all liked the same thing.

I'll really put the cat amongst the pigeons and state that the clash only had one great album and London calling is no better than average :stirrer:

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That's the cat amongst the pigeons??? Really??What's the only good album then?

You want the real cat amongst the pigeons, with the exception of X Ray Spex, Ramones and Television your first two lists are terrible

:na na::duck::worms:

[degenerated]

That's the cat amongst the pigeons??? Really??What's the only good album then?

You want the real cat amongst the pigeons, with the exception of X Ray Spex, Ramones and Television your first two lists are terrible

:na na::duck::worms:The first clash album is the only really good one.

I would respectfully suggest that you're talking out your hat as SLF first album is a classic. And furthermore whilst the television album is well worth a listen it isn't a patch on the dead boys album, I'll assume you clearly just haven't listened to it [emoji869][emoji16]


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[Paloschi]

I was a bit young for the first wave but grew up on 2nd wave bands which were a bit more political and down to earth than the art school types involved in first wave. Met quite a few folk from bands over the years like Mensi from the Angelic Upstartss, Wattie Buchan from the exploited, Gene October from Chelsea, Mad Muffett from Slaughter and the Dogs. and had some great laughs at many, many punk gigs. Also met a few complete bell ends like Nick Cash from 999 and Max Splodge.

Its such a broad spectrum of music that has diversified and evolved over the years that there are so many bands that are worth listening to.

From the first wave of UK Bands i would suggest listening to:

- Slaughter and the Dogs - "Do it dog style"
- 999 - "999"
- X-Ray spex - "germ free adolescents"
- Vibrators - "pure mania"
- Stiff Little Fingers - "Inflammable Material"
- UK Subs - "another kind of blues"
- Chelsea - "Chelsea"

From American Early Stuff

- Ramones - "Ramones", "Leave Home" adn "Rocket to Russia" are my favourite ones
- Dictators - "Go Girl Crazy"
- Dead Boys - "Young Loud & Snotty"
- Johnny Thunders & The Heartbreakers - "L.A.M.F."
- Television - "Marquee Moon"


You could listen to some of the bans that were a pre-cursor to the punk scene that started in USA - MC5, The Stooges and The New York Dolls probably the best of those.

There are some good second wave uk bands that came out in the 80's including The Adicts, Angelic Upstarts, The Business, Cock Sparrer, Exploited, The Ejected, Abrasive Wheels, The Threats, Menace, GBH. There was also a lot of generic rubbish under the Oi banner being promoted by Garry Bushell at that time which is well worth avoiding and sometimes a bit right wing for my liking.

There were also some great Anarcho Punk bands around that time like:

- Conflict
- Discharge
- Varukers
- Sub-Humans
- Crass
- Oi Polloi

A lot of great stuff from the early 80's in theamerican hardcore scene with bands like:

- Bad Religion
- Regan Youth
- Adolescents
- Gang green
- Dead kennedys
- DOA
- Misfits
- Circle Jerks
- Black Flag
- Minor Threat
- Bad Brains
- Beastie Boys (from the early 80's)
- Germs

of the above Black Flag and the Dead Kennedy's are the stand outs.

i stopped collecting records as much towards 2000, so i caught a lot of the re-emergence of american punk in the early 90's onwards with bands like Rancid, NOFX, Face to Face, Swinging Utters, The Dwarves, Dropkick Murphys, Screeching Weasel, The Descendents..........


There's a very, very potted history but some stuff in there you might find you like, some you might hate too :greengrin

If you want a whole live experience try The Rebellion Festival in Blackpool in August - it pretty much covers the whole spectrum of punk rock over 3 or 4 days. I've not been for a good few years but used to go religously until old age got the better of me :greengrin

http://www.rebellionfestivals.com/

Cheers! Loads of listening and research to do now!!

[Lester B]

The first clash album is the only really good one.

I would respectfully suggest that you're talking out your hat as SLF first album is a classic. And furthermore whilst the television album is well worth a listen it isn't a patch on the dead boys album, I'll assume you clearly just haven't listened to it [emoji869][emoji16]


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Superb, Utterly insane but superb in its own deranged way.

So Death or Glory, Bankrobber, I fought the law, straight to hell, train in vain, Tommy Gun are all not really good compared to Protex Blue for example. SLF's lyrics were written by a Daily Express journalist and the music was third rate Clash rip offs.

Slaughter and the Dogs?? I genuinely audibly laughed at that.

You like Pere Ubu, Wire, Magazine, Patti Smith, Suicide, PIL, Richard Hell & the Voidoids or is that stuff too arty?

Good call on Black Flag and Circle Jerks but what about Husker Du, Mission of Burma, Meat Puppets, Minutemen, Fugazi, Replacements, etc?.

Some people believe punk/new wave was just three chord shouty dirges. It wasn't. Or it shouldn't be

[Lester B]

Cheers! Loads of listening and research to do now!!

Oh please don't. You'll never get that time back :wink:

[Lester B]

Knew the lead singer from Oi Polloi, he inspired us to put a punk band together but we were ****ter than **** !!

See and chat to Wattie Buchan from the Exploited now and then.

Knew Stuart Adamson post skids quite well before he tragically took his own life.

Oi Polloi are still going. I know their drummer and know guys who played guitar and bass at various points for them. They've had more members than the Fall!!!

[Lester B]

What was also healthy was the way the early punk era opened up other musical genres and cultures that young British kids might not otherwise have embraced. The social unrest of the time played a part in the coming together of punk and reggae and subsequently a ska revival. The Clash in particular as well as John Lydon were pretty eclectic in their musical influences and I recall listening to a few shows Strummer did for the BBC World Service (basically an opportunity for him to play all his favourite songs) and being struck by how many artists I'd come to enjoy as a result of punk.

That's a great point. Those bands didn't stay still. Clash turned their hands to loads of styles; they loved rockabilly. reggae, soul, old style R & B, even Jazz. Lydon moved into being influenced by dub and Krautrock (Metal Box- what a record!!) and in 1977 played stuff by Van de Graaf Generator when asked about his favourite music. Was listening to Ghost Town by the Specials today. That's a record that couldn't have happened without punk but it doesn't sound anything like the Clash or the Damned

[The Modfather]

Punk isn’t my thing, and probably more post punk than what the opening post was looking for, but Magazine,The Buzzcocks & Joy Division are about as far as I go with “Punk”.

Edit, can add Patti Smith to my brief list as well after seeing someone else mention her.

[degenerated]

Superb, Utterly insane but superb in its own deranged way.

So Death or Glory, Bankrobber, I fought the law, straight to hell, train in vain, Tommy Gun are all not really good compared to Protex Blue for example. SLF's lyrics were written by a Daily Express journalist and the music was third rate Clash rip offs.

Slaughter and the Dogs?? I genuinely audibly laughed at that.

You like Pere Ubu, Wire, Magazine, Patti Smith, Suicide, PIL, Richard Hell & the Voidoids or is that stuff too arty?

Good call on Black Flag and Circle Jerks but what about Husker Du, Mission of Burma, Meat Puppets, Minutemen, Fugazi, Replacements, etc?.

Some people believe punk/new wave was just three chord shouty dirges. It wasn't. Or it shouldn't beNot a big fan of wire but magazine are good. Never really listened much to pere ubu but will have a listen.
Patti smith did some amazing stuff.

Most of the US bands you mention there were bands I would listen to. Fugazi are good but I do prefer minor threat, and to a lesser extent the teen idles sole EP.

I wouldn't agree on your view on slaughter and the dogs. I think that album is an excellent piece of work.


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[Lester B]

Not a big fan of wire but magazine are good. Never really listened much to pere ubu but will have a listen.
Patti smith did some amazing stuff.

Most of the US bands you mention there were bands I would listen to. Fugazi are good but I do prefer minor threat, and to a lesser extent the teen idles sole EP.

I wouldn't agree on your view on slaughter and the dogs. I think that album is an excellent piece of work.


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As regards Pere Ubu check out Terminal Tower which is really powerful. They get a bit artier but Modern Dance is great too. The rest less so but stuff like Final Solution, 30 Seconds over Tokyo, Non-Allignment Pact on those albums are great.
We're not going to agree on it all but hey ho :wink:

[Hibbyradge]

I loved the punk "movement" and it was hugely important and influential as has been said.

I liked everything the Clash did and I was gutted when it all started to go pear shaped.

I saw them a few times and to this day, I still want a pair of Mick Jones' red bondage style trousers. 😁

Lot's of bands and artists came through on the coattails of punk.

Elvis Costello, a huge hero of mine, wouldn't have become so popular so quickly without it, imo.

Punk changed the direction of travel.

[Lester B]

I loved the punk "movement" and it was hugely important and influential as has been said.

I liked everything the Clash did and I was gutted when it all started to go pear shaped.

I saw them a few times and to this day, I still want a pair of Mick Jones' red bondage style trousers. 😁

Lot's of bands and artists came through on the coattails of punk.

Elvis Costello, a huge hero of mine, wouldn't have become so popular so quickly without it, imo.

Punk changed the direction of travel.

On FB a mate, and good Hibs fan, said he didn't know much about Costello the other day. Another mate and I started listing songs for an introductory compilation. We got to 40 songs easily and quickly, all brilliant!!

[Hibbyradge]

On FB a mate, and good Hibs fan, said he didn't know much about Costello the other day. Another mate and I started listing songs for an introductory compilation. We got to 40 songs easily and quickly, all brilliant!!

Easily done.

I've seen Elvis dozens of times and,, apart from North, I like everything he's produced.

Alison remains my favourite song ever.

I met him after a gig in the Glasgow Royal Concert Hall about 3 years ago. I mumbled something about his music being the soundtrack of my life and said nowt else! Wasted opportunity.

He's a genius.

[MSK]

Oi Polloi are still going. I know their drummer and know guys who played guitar and bass at various points for them. They've had more members than the Fall!!!Yeah Ive watched various clips, think at the time they were fairly new, Portobello based, I believe only the lead singer is the only original member after many many changes 😆

[GreenLake]

Johnny Rotten is one of the rich establishment around Venice.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6966735/Sex-Pistols-Johnny-Rotten-complains-homeless-crisis-LA-neighborhood.html

[Lester B]

Easily done.

I've seen Elvis dozens of times and,, apart from North, I like everything he's produced.

Alison remains my favourite song ever.

I met him after a gig in the Glasgow Royal Concert Hall about 3 years ago. I mumbled something about his music being the soundtrack of my life and said nowt else! Wasted opportunity.

He's a genius.

Wait a minute. Even Goodbye Cruel World? Even the man himself says that one is honking. Just finished his book. I take it you bought that virtually immediately when it came out?

[Hibbyradge]

Wait a minute. Even Goodbye Cruel World? Even the man himself says that one is honking. Just finished his book. I take it you bought that virtually immediately when it came out?

I quite like GCW even if it got panned.

I was moving from Edinburgh to York when Unfaithful Music and Disappearing Ink was published and my head was full of other stresses so I didn't get round to buying it until fairly recently.

I'm ashamed to say that it's unread, but I'll remedy that shortly. That's the problem with hardbacks, very difficult to read in bed.

[allmodcons]

It will not surprise anyone to learn that I'm a fan of The Jam who I, personally, don't consider a 'punk' band. Was lucky enough to see them at Glasgow Apollo in 1982 on their Trans Global Unity Express Tour.

I'm not a fan of the Sex Pistols but love The Clash. I can't listen to hard core punk bands like Discharge, UK Subs and The Dead Kennedys. Edinburgh band The Exploited are probably as bad as it gets for me.

I love some of the post punk stuff and think Billy Bragg, who attributes his musical being to Punk, is an absolute lyrical genius.

Modern day, I've seen Slaves a couple of times and think they are immense live.

[heretoday]

It will not surprise anyone to learn that I'm a fan of The Jam who I, personally, don't consider a 'punk' band. Was lucky enough to see them at Glasgow Apollo in 1982 on their Trans Global Unity Express Tour.

I'm not a fan of the Sex Pistols but love The Clash. I can't listen to hard core punk bands like Discharge, UK Subs and The Dead Kennedys. Edinburgh band The Exploited are probably as bad as it gets for me.

I love some of the post punk stuff and think Billy Bragg, who attributes his musical being to Punk, is an absolute lyrical genius.

Modern day, I've seen Slaves a couple of times and think they are immense live.
The Clash were a hundred times more creative than the rest in my opinion. They weren't just headbangers but employed other musical forms - notably reggae - in their albums.

[Hibbyradge]

It will not surprise anyone to learn that I'm a fan of The Jam who I, personally, don't consider a 'punk' band. Was lucky enough to see them at Glasgow Apollo in 1982 on their Trans Global Unity Express Tour.

I'm not a fan of the Sex Pistols but love The Clash. I can't listen to hard core punk bands like Discharge, UK Subs and The Dead Kennedys. Edinburgh band The Exploited are probably as bad as it gets for me.

I love some of the post punk stuff and think Billy Bragg, who attributes his musical being to Punk, is an absolute lyrical genius.

Modern day, I've seen Slaves a couple of times and think they are immense live.

I roadied for The Questions at the playhouse when they were supporting The Jam in 1982 and I met them backstage.

Paul Weller told me that Bruce Foxton was known as "The Woman" because he took so long to get ready, but that's all I can remember about it.

[degenerated]

It will not surprise anyone to learn that I'm a fan of The Jam who I, personally, don't consider a 'punk' band. Was lucky enough to see them at Glasgow Apollo in 1982 on their Trans Global Unity Express Tour.

I'm not a fan of the Sex Pistols but love The Clash. I can't listen to hard core punk bands like Discharge, UK Subs and The Dead Kennedys. Edinburgh band The Exploited are probably as bad as it gets for me.

I love some of the post punk stuff and think Billy Bragg, who attributes his musical being to Punk, is an absolute lyrical genius.

Modern day, I've seen Slaves a couple of times and think they are immense live.I always thought that the newtown neurotics were pretty much what a punk version of Billy Bragg would sound like.

https://youtu.be/8p9duRg7FTM

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[southsider]

I got lifted along with dozens of young punks back in 1978 after a Clash gig in Glasgow. Was supposed to be the last ever gig at the Appolo. We were about 8 to a cell when word got round that Joe and Paul had also been lifted. We sung 'The Prisoner' over and over for hours and the cops were going crazy. Gor released about 3am. Got a lift back to Queen St from a cell mates brother. Had to kip in the toilets until the first train back to Edinburgh. Was 18 then and am 60 now but a crazy night I will never forget. I met Joe Years later and he remembered that night, he got lifted for dropping a juice bottle wheras I got nicked for 'refusing to move on'. Happy days.

[Aldo]

It would be a dull place if we all liked the same thing.

I'll really put the cat amongst the pigeons and state that the clash only had one great album and London calling is no better than average :stirrer:

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I must admit I like loads of different music and loved Green Day up and including American Idiot. I have all their albums but having bought any of their albums since AI!

My mate has thousands of vinyl singles and albums with 99% punk of all eras. (Worth an absolute fortune I hasten to add)

He got me into Rise Against, country (ish) punk stars the Supersuckers, Bouncing Souks and loads more. Many a ‘mixed CD’ with some superb music.

We have the odd Saturday sesh in his converted garage with Sky Sports News on mute and song after song playing away in back ground (sipping a few beers or 3 as we go along)


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[Hibernia&Alba]

Punk was before my time, but I love listening to that era now, with the DIY non-corporate attitude. One of the great developments in popular music, the impact it had on youth at the time must have been so exciting. Sex Pistols first TV appearance, 1976, with the late Tony Wilson. Imagine being a young kid who had to listen to mainstream radio of Elton John, ABBA etc in 1976, pre-internet and when there was only three TV channels, then seeing this on the box. Talk about life changing!


https://youtu.be/emVigxNJhjA

[Lester B]

I quite like GCW even if it got panned.

I was moving from Edinburgh to York when Unfaithful Music and Disappearing Ink was published and my head was full of other stresses so I didn't get round to buying it until fairly recently.

I'm ashamed to say that it's unread, but I'll remedy that shortly. That's the problem with hardbacks, very difficult to read in bed.

Missed this reply. No need to be ashamed about not having read it yet!

It's pretty rambling in terms of the narrative. He moves between years and even decades and a few people I know who love EC do struggle with the way he tells his story.

But unsurprisingly it's beautifully written and while he doesn't go into any detail in relation to both his second wife and ex bass player, they are clearly not on his Christmas card list. At all.

[The Modfather]

Punk was before my time, but I love listening to that era now, with the DIY non-corporate attitude. One of the great developments in popular music, the impact it had on youth at the time must have been so exciting. Sex Pistols first TV appearance, 1976, with the late Tony Wilson. Imagine being a young kid who had to listen to mainstream radio of Elton John, ABBA etc in 1976, pre-internet and when there was only three TV channels, then seeing this on the box. Talk about life changing!


https://youtu.be/emVigxNJhjA

From that to selling butter :greengrin

I get what you're saying about it being something completely new and a release from the drudgery of what was mainstream at the time. However, to go from the 60s, which was the greatest decade for music IMO, to that is like entering the musical dark ages IMO. That's not denigrate Punk, more that I don't get anything about the Sex Pistols at all. Although as I said previously the "Punk" bands I do like are probably more Post Punk than actual Punk, but not meaning to come across as snobbish towards punk. More that I specifically only see The Sex Pistols as shouty noise.

[Smartie]

From that to selling butter :greengrin

I get what you're saying about it being something completely new and a release from the drudgery of what was mainstream at the time. However, to go from the 60s, which was the greatest decade for music IMO, to that is like entering the musical dark ages IMO. That's not denigrate Punk, more that I don't get anything about the Sex Pistols at all. Although as I said previously the "Punk" bands I do like are probably more Post Punk than actual Punk, but not meaning to come across as snobbish towards punk. More that I specifically only see The Sex Pistols as shouty noise.

Shouty noise can be quite good though.

And the thing I find about looking back at the Sex Pistols is that their shouty noise was more tuneful than quite a lot of the shouty noise that has come since then. They created the shouty noise mould and would have been a big shock compared to a lot of the top notch melodic stuff that had come along during the previous decade and a bit.

When I think of punk I think a lot more about fashion, haircuts and attitudes than I do about the music, and when a "scene" is more about those things than the music then it is inevitable that it isn't going to age particularly well.

The thing I would say about the punk scene is that a lot of people who were part of it went on to have a very significant impact on the next couple of decades. Many of the best artists of the 80s and 90s got interested in music during punk, so it undoubtedly had a major influence beyond its time. I don't know that much about punk but I hear it referenced by all of the people who I have been into during my lifetime, and whilst I've never really got into it retrospectively, I've got into a lot of stuff that was very heavily influenced by it.

[degenerated]

I must admit I like loads of different music and loved Green Day up and including American Idiot. I have all their albums but having bought any of their albums since AI!

My mate has thousands of vinyl singles and albums with 99% punk of all eras. (Worth an absolute fortune I hasten to add)

He got me into Rise Against, country (ish) punk stars the Supersuckers, Bouncing Souks and loads more. Many a ‘mixed CD’ with some superb music.

We have the odd Saturday sesh in his converted garage with Sky Sports News on mute and song after song playing away in back ground (sipping a few beers or 3 as we go along)


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkPunk stuff is pretty collectable these days. I rarely play my suspect device single since seeing one go for £400 on ebay a few years back.

The Supersuckers are a great band, seen them live a good few times and they always put on a great show. The smoke of hell, the sacrilicous sounds and the evil powers of rock and roll are great albums.

If you like the rock n roll thing then check out The Bones.

https://youtu.be/Qx4SmTevXuY

Few gigs coming up at bannermans with conflict in july and the dwarves and adolescents in august.

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[Aldo]

Punk stuff is pretty collectable these days. I rarely play my suspect device single since seeing one go for £400 on ebay a few years back.

The Supersuckers are a great band, seen them live a good few times and they always put on a great show. The smoke of hell, the sacrilicous sounds and the evil powers of rock and roll are great albums.

If you like the rock n roll thing then check out The Bones.

https://youtu.be/Qx4SmTevXuY

Few gigs coming up at bannermans with conflict in july and the dwarves and adolescents in august.

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It’s very collectible if you know what your looking for and he does. He goes to Utrecht and Blackpool every year and has done so for as long as I can remember. Sells loads every week.

Meant to say in previous post Gaslight Anthem is another Favourite with some excellent tunes.


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[degenerated]

It’s very collectible if you know what your looking for and he does. He goes to Utrecht and Blackpool every year and has done so for as long as I can remember. Sells loads every week.

Meant to say in previous post Gaslight Anthem is another Favourite with some excellent tunes.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkBlackpool, and morecambe when they did alternate years there, were good for getting records but the prices were pretty high. Although that said I picked up shock troops by cock sparrer on razor records at Blackpool '96 for £5 off a French guy whilst the stalls either side of him had it for £50 and £70 :greengrin

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[Aldo]

Blackpool, and morecambe when they did alternate years there, were good for getting records but the prices were pretty high. Although that said I picked up shock troops by cock sparrer on razor records at Blackpool '96 for £5 off a French guy whilst the stalls either side of him had it for £50 and £70 :greengrin

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Bargains to be had if you know what you are looking for!


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[G B Young]

From that to selling butter :greengrin

I get what you're saying about it being something completely new and a release from the drudgery of what was mainstream at the time. However, to go from the 60s, which was the greatest decade for music IMO, to that is like entering the musical dark ages IMO. That's not denigrate Punk, more that I don't get anything about the Sex Pistols at all. Although as I said previously the "Punk" bands I do like are probably more Post Punk than actual Punk, but not meaning to come across as snobbish towards punk. More that I specifically only see The Sex Pistols as shouty noise.

It could also be argued, however, that the dark ages were the first half of the 70s where progressive rock and endless guitar solos by long haired blokes in dreadful clothes who looked 20 years older than the actually were paved the way for punk to inject the music scene with some long overdue excitement.

[G B Young]

I got lifted along with dozens of young punks back in 1978 after a Clash gig in Glasgow. Was supposed to be the last ever gig at the Appolo. We were about 8 to a cell when word got round that Joe and Paul had also been lifted. We sung 'The Prisoner' over and over for hours and the cops were going crazy. Gor released about 3am. Got a lift back to Queen St from a cell mates brother. Had to kip in the toilets until the first train back to Edinburgh. Was 18 then and am 60 now but a crazy night I will never forget. I met Joe Years later and he remembered that night, he got lifted for dropping a juice bottle wheras I got nicked for 'refusing to move on'. Happy days.

Legendary night by all accounts (with the Specials as support!). You might spot yourself here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b6P6GMJmBQ

The NME covered the entire event in exhaustive detail:
http://cluster1.website-staging.uk/blackmarketclash.co.uk/Bands/Clash/recordings/1978/78-07-04%20Glasgow/78-07-04%20Glasgow.html

[wallpaperman]

As someone who probably spends more time on music forums than football ones this is fascinating thread.

We can all agree on football. I thought I liked music from that era and without wishing to offend anyone (the ultimate musical fanboy opening line) loads of the stuff listed here is dire.

I know that won't be a popular opinion but sheesh I've just read it again

Are you aware of this music forum, it's one where I spend a lot of time?

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/forums/music-corner.2/

Started off as an audiophile forum (and still is to an extent), but is much more general discussion around music as well. Majority American members, but tons from the UK as Europe as well. It's a really well used forum, threads disappear from the front page in about 10 minutes at busy times.

It's a little bit too much classic rock, and they do love The Beatles, but there are threads on just about everything and anything.

I kind of agree with you, much of the punk music that I listenened to as a youth (had an older brother that influenced me) has not aged well, though there are some notable exceptions, like The Ruts, The Jam (whether they were punk or not), Siouxsie, SLF.

[wallpaperman]

It could also be argued, however, that the dark ages were the first half of the 70s where progressive rock and endless guitar solos by long haired blokes in dreadful clothes who looked 20 years older than the actually were paved the way for punk to inject the music scene with some long overdue excitement.

I've just turned 50 now and must admit that I now quite like some of the stuff that punk railed against, would never have believed that many years ago.

Just listening to Chris Robinson Brotherhood's new CD, some good 70's style guitar jams on that. :wink:

[Hibernia&Alba]

Shouty noise can be quite good though.

And the thing I find about looking back at the Sex Pistols is that their shouty noise was more tuneful than quite a lot of the shouty noise that has come since then. They created the shouty noise mould and would have been a big shock compared to a lot of the top notch melodic stuff that had come along during the previous decade and a bit.

When I think of punk I think a lot more about fashion, haircuts and attitudes than I do about the music, and when a "scene" is more about those things than the music then it is inevitable that it isn't going to age particularly well.

The thing I would say about the punk scene is that a lot of people who were part of it went on to have a very significant impact on the next couple of decades. Many of the best artists of the 80s and 90s got interested in music during punk, so it undoubtedly had a major influence beyond its time. I don't know that much about punk but I hear it referenced by all of the people who I have been into during my lifetime, and whilst I've never really got into it retrospectively, I've got into a lot of stuff that was very heavily influenced by it.

The legendary Pistols gig at Manchester's Free Trade Hall in 1976: Ian Curtis (Joy Division), Morrissey (The Smiths), Pete Shelley (Buzzcocks) were just a few future musicians in attendance who were inspired to start bands.

Had I been a thirteen year old, watching their first TV appearance in 1976 from my living room, my reaction would have been "I'm alive"!

[bringbackbenny]

On a semi punk theme Idles currently shredding the red button on BBC 4.

[Mr Grieves]

On a semi punk theme Idles currently shredding the red button on BBC 4.

****ing good eh.

"Don't read the sun it'll give you cancer." Indeed

[Hibbyradge]

Missed this reply. No need to be ashamed about not having read it yet!

It's pretty rambling in terms of the narrative. He moves between years and even decades and a few people I know who love EC do struggle with the way he tells his story.

But unsurprisingly it's beautifully written and while he doesn't go into any detail in relation to both his second wife and ex bass player, they are clearly not on his Christmas card list. At all.

Thanks for that.

I've got as far as putting the book on the kitchen worktop but the sheer size of it is putting me off. 😄

[heretoday]

I've just turned 50 now and must admit that I now quite like some of the stuff that punk railed against, would never have believed that many years ago.

The Eagles and David Bowie managed to survive the onslaught!

Let's face it - it's all about shifting product and the Sex Pistols did their bit but ultimately didn't have much talent.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

The Eagles and David Bowie managed to survive the onslaught!

Let's face it - it's all about shifting product and the Sex Pistols did their bit but ultimately didn't have much talent.

But enough talent to write a pivotal album .

[degenerated]

The Eagles and David Bowie managed to survive the onslaught!

Let's face it - it's all about shifting product and the Sex Pistols did their bit but ultimately didn't have much talent.The sex pistols were far more talented than they were ever given credit for. Steve Jones is an exceptional guitar player (and bass player on never mind the bollocks) lydon a brilliant lyricist and front man. Matlock and Cooke were an excellent rhythm section.

The only one lacking talent was sid vicious but the by the time he had been brought in the band had self combusted due to the pressure of the grundy aftermath.


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[wpj]

The sex pistols were far more talented than they were ever given credit for. Steve Jones is an exceptional guitar player (and bass player on never mind the bollocks) lydon a brilliant lyricist and front man. Matlock and Cooke were an excellent rhythm section.

The only one lacking talent was sid vicious but the by the time he had been brought in the band had self combusted due to the pressure of the grundy aftermath.


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Glen Matlock is a great musician and a lovely person. I worked with a lot of punk bands in the 90s and there are many characters but Glen was a real gent. Jones and Cooke were fun but unfortunately Lydon was a prick backstage at a Pistols gig. I left when he came in slagging everyone off.
Biggest gent of all? Charlie Harper, absolute legend. Wattle was ok for a jambo

[Haymaker]

I was a bit young for the first wave but grew up on 2nd wave bands which were a bit more political and down to earth than the art school types involved in first wave. Met quite a few folk from bands over the years like Mensi from the Angelic Upstartss, Wattie Buchan from the exploited, Gene October from Chelsea, Mad Muffett from Slaughter and the Dogs. and had some great laughs at many, many punk gigs. Also met a few complete bell ends like Nick Cash from 999 and Max Splodge.

Its such a broad spectrum of music that has diversified and evolved over the years that there are so many bands that are worth listening to.

From the first wave of UK Bands i would suggest listening to:

- Slaughter and the Dogs - "Do it dog style"
- 999 - "999"
- X-Ray spex - "germ free adolescents"
- Vibrators - "pure mania"
- Stiff Little Fingers - "Inflammable Material"
- UK Subs - "another kind of blues"
- Chelsea - "Chelsea"

From American Early Stuff

- Ramones - "Ramones", "Leave Home" adn "Rocket to Russia" are my favourite ones
- Dictators - "Go Girl Crazy"
- Dead Boys - "Young Loud & Snotty"
- Johnny Thunders & The Heartbreakers - "L.A.M.F."
- Television - "Marquee Moon"


You could listen to some of the bans that were a pre-cursor to the punk scene that started in USA - MC5, The Stooges and The New York Dolls probably the best of those.

There are some good second wave uk bands that came out in the 80's including The Adicts, Angelic Upstarts, The Business, Cock Sparrer, Exploited, The Ejected, Abrasive Wheels, The Threats, Menace, GBH. There was also a lot of generic rubbish under the Oi banner being promoted by Garry Bushell at that time which is well worth avoiding and sometimes a bit right wing for my liking.

There were also some great Anarcho Punk bands around that time like:

- Conflict
- Discharge
- Varukers
- Sub-Humans
- Crass
- Oi Polloi

A lot of great stuff from the early 80's in theamerican hardcore scene with bands like:

- Bad Religion
- Regan Youth
- Adolescents
- Gang green
- Dead kennedys
- DOA
- Misfits
- Circle Jerks
- Black Flag
- Minor Threat
- Bad Brains
- Beastie Boys (from the early 80's)
- Germs

of the above Black Flag and the Dead Kennedy's are the stand outs.

i stopped collecting records as much towards 2000, so i caught a lot of the re-emergence of american punk in the early 90's onwards with bands like Rancid, NOFX, Face to Face, Swinging Utters, The Dwarves, Dropkick Murphys, Screeching Weasel, The Descendents..........


There's a very, very potted history but some stuff in there you might find you like, some you might hate too :greengrin

If you want a whole live experience try The Rebellion Festival in Blackpool in August - it pretty much covers the whole spectrum of punk rock over 3 or 4 days. I've not been for a good few years but used to go religously until old age got the better of me :greengrin

http://www.rebellionfestivals.com/

Saw Oi Polloi at a DIY festival in Czech republic about 10/12 years ago (that's worrying).

Was brilliant. Awesome band. There was another anarcho punk band from Edinburgh who played the same festival, can't remember the name, but the bassist and i had a good chat about Hibs.

[degenerated]

Glen Matlock is a great musician and a lovely person. I worked with a lot of punk bands in the 90s and there are many characters but Glen was a real gent. Jones and Cooke were fun but unfortunately Lydon was a prick backstage at a Pistols gig. I left when he came in slagging everyone off.
Biggest gent of all? Charlie Harper, absolute legend. Wattle was ok for a jamboCharlie Harper is a great guy. In his 70s and still gigging every week.

First record I ever bought was tomorrows girls on blue vinyl, at the time it was probably the colour that attracted me to it [emoji16]

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[wpj]

Charlie Harper is a great guy. In his 70s and still gigging every week.

First record I ever bought was tomorrows girls on blue vinyl, at the time it was probably the colour that attracted me to it [emoji16]

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Charlie is the punk rock Keith Richards without the drugs. When I rodied for a support band in Germany we were all heading to town, Charlie just said nah, going for a cuppa in my hotel. Very cool guy.

[Johnny Clash]

I got lifted along with dozens of young punks back in 1978 after a Clash gig in Glasgow. Was supposed to be the last ever gig at the Appolo. We were about 8 to a cell when word got round that Joe and Paul had also been lifted. We sung 'The Prisoner' over and over for hours and the cops were going crazy. Gor released about 3am. Got a lift back to Queen St from a cell mates brother. Had to kip in the toilets until the first train back to Edinburgh. Was 18 then and am 60 now but a crazy night I will never forget. I met Joe Years later and he remembered that night, he got lifted for dropping a juice bottle wheras I got nicked for 'refusing to move on'. Happy days.

Here’s Mick Jones’s memory of that great gig:

Joe was upset about the way the gig had gone because the bouncers had been beating people up.

"We had been saying, 'They're dancing not fighting' and to leave them alone.

"When Joe came out the back door, he was so angry he smashed a bottle and was immediately jumped on by plain clothes policemen and he was arrested. Paul jumped in to help Joe and they got him, too.

"Joe and Paul got arrested and I ran back to the hotel to alert everybody. I was running through the night to warn the rest of the group and crew that the cops were coming.

"The bouncers were chasing us because they wanted their revenge on the fans. Bobby Gillespie and Alan McGee were at that Apollo gig, too. I didn't meet Bobby but his friends escorted me from the gig to the hotel.

"Joe and Paul were in the cells overnight. The jail was packed with fans who had been arrested.

"They were all singing the song, The Prisoner. Despite everything, a lot of people still remember it as a fantastic night and it's one I'll never forgeT”

[G B Young]

Charlie Harper is a great guy. In his 70s and still gigging every week.

First record I ever bought was tomorrows girls on blue vinyl, at the time it was probably the colour that attracted me to it [emoji16]

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Tour dates booked well into 2020!

https://www.uksubs.co.uk/gigs/

Can't say they were ever a punk band I especially warmed to but respect is due nonetheless.

[southsider]

I have a couple of hundred Sounds & NME's from this era. Anyone want them ?

[G B Young]

I have a couple of hundred Sounds & NME's from this era. Anyone want them ?

I've probably still got a fair few of them too, yellowing away in a cupboard somewhere. A very different era when those papers were THE place to dig out information on your favourite band.