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Diclonius
30-05-2019, 12:10 PM
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/ranked-the-cheapest-scottish-premiership-season-tickets-for-the-19-20-season-and-there-are-some-surprises-1-4937721?fbclid=IwAR3fkd5Xe-Pm78BrO0lDYeE-O1MCQslp0-mDC8Mo5AisQySXaOm38GN2h6s

Second most expensive in the league, £90 cheaper than Celtic and £33 more than Rangers.

CapitalGreen
30-05-2019, 12:15 PM
Not really true though is it as Hibs have a flat pricing structure so the numbers are skewed, my equivalent seat at Tynie would cost £500.

All the upper sections of the Wheatfield and Main Stand at Tynie are Platinum or Corporate with the exception of the very end sections. Anyone sitting in the below sections at Easter Road would pay £500 for the equivalent seat at Tynie:

11
12
13
14
38
39
40
41
42
43
44

04Sauzee
30-05-2019, 12:17 PM
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/ranked-the-cheapest-scottish-premiership-season-tickets-for-the-19-20-season-and-there-are-some-surprises-1-4937721?fbclid=IwAR3fkd5Xe-Pm78BrO0lDYeE-O1MCQslp0-mDC8Mo5AisQySXaOm38GN2h6s

Second most expensive in the league, £90 cheaper than Celtic and £33 more than Rangers.
Not sure how accurate that is tbh. Hun in my work is paying alot for his ticket in the sandy Jardine stand

leither17
30-05-2019, 12:17 PM
Not really true though is it as Hibs have a flat pricing structure so the numbers are skewed, my equivalent seat at Tynie would cost £500.

Same for a boy in my work too halfway up the new stand is 500 notes

CapitalGreen
30-05-2019, 12:21 PM
Not sure how accurate that is tbh. Hun in my work is paying alot for his ticket in the sandy Jardine stand

It's based on the cheapest Adult season ticket available. The only place you can purchase a ticket for Tynie at the price they are listed at in the article is the front of the Gorgie stand.

Keith_M
30-05-2019, 12:23 PM
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/ranked-the-cheapest-scottish-premiership-season-tickets-for-the-19-20-season-and-there-are-some-surprises-1-4937721?fbclid=IwAR3fkd5Xe-Pm78BrO0lDYeE-O1MCQslp0-mDC8Mo5AisQySXaOm38GN2h6s

Second most expensive in the league, £90 cheaper than Celtic and £33 more than Rangers.


Hibs cheapest ST is 405, but the most expensive ST is also 405 (executive seats excluded)

I'd like to see what the average is for all the clubs, as there's no way Hibs would be second most expensive.

Aim Here
30-05-2019, 12:27 PM
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/ranked-the-cheapest-scottish-premiership-season-tickets-for-the-19-20-season-and-there-are-some-surprises-1-4937721?fbclid=IwAR3fkd5Xe-Pm78BrO0lDYeE-O1MCQslp0-mDC8Mo5AisQySXaOm38GN2h6s

Second most expensive in the league, £90 cheaper than Celtic and £33 more than Rangers.

Misleading article. Those only refer to the cheapest seats for a full adult ST holder. For instance, Hearts and Aberdeen have a wider stratification of ticket prices, only one stand at Pittodrie - their family stand, and probably not available to non-parents - is at the price quoted, the rest are at either £405 or £455. For Hearts, the bulk of seats are now 'Platinum' at £500 each, with only a few unpopular edge-of-stand seats at lower prices. Hibs are a bit more flat-rate, with the quoted price being the one the bulk of fans pay, and only a couple of sections, kitted out with better seating, at a higher rate.

I'm sure something similar will be the case with Rangers and Celtic, but they've got a more complex system due to waiting lists and such.

Diclonius
30-05-2019, 12:32 PM
Hibs cheapest ST is 405, but the most expensive ST is also 405 (executive seats excluded)

I'd like to see what the average is for all the clubs, as there's no way Hibs would be second most expensive.

Fair point. It would be nice if there was a bit of variation though, as the quality of seats/view does differ quite a bit for each section.

CapitalGreen
30-05-2019, 12:34 PM
Fair point. It would be nice if there was a bit of variation though, as the quality of seats/view does differ quite a bit for each section.

Do you think we should raise the price of prime seats in the East and West?

CMurdoch
30-05-2019, 12:39 PM
That is a non nuanced puff piece of journalism which tells you very little.

All the clubs have different pricing models.
At Easter Road every seat is the same price which for an adult is £385.
At Tynecastle they have a model where your seat price depends where about you sit in the ground with the better seats very expensive.

The Easter Road model rewards you for your loyalty as it allows you to eventually get the seat of your choice by allowing you to move each season whilst paying the same season ticket cost. Once you are in a seat you are happy with you can continue to have that seast at no extra cost so long as you keep your season ticket gonig. There is also a nice socialist angle were all adults are paying the same price so no status or prawn cocktail seats for the better off (despite what we say about those in the West :wink:).

My seat high in the east is in line with the centre circle. A similar placed seat at Tincastle would be more expensive ..........................and the football much worse.

Keith_M
30-05-2019, 12:43 PM
Fair point. It would be nice if there was a bit of variation though, as the quality of seats/view does differ quite a bit for each section.


Yeah, that's the norm at a lot of clubs.

I actually think it would be a good idea, just not sure if it's practical at ER. I suggested the idea on here a while back and a couple of posters pointed out the difficulty of preventing people that had bought tickets for cheaper seats just wandering into more expensive sections; which I hadn't really thought about.

Danderhall Hibs
30-05-2019, 12:55 PM
Do you think we should raise the price of prime seats in the East and West?

:agree: and reduce the others.

Steven79
30-05-2019, 01:02 PM
Yeah, that's the norm at a lot of clubs.

I actually think it would be a good idea, just not sure if it's practical at ER. I suggested the idea on here a while back and a couple of posters pointed out the difficulty of preventing people that had bought tickets for cheaper seats just wandering into more expensive sections; which I hadn't really thought about.

The same thing could happen at Tynecastle as well as the wheatfield stand stand has 3 different prices depending on where you sit.

Then again the dearest seats should face away from the pitch considering the style of football they play....

CMurdoch
30-05-2019, 01:14 PM
Do you think we should raise the price of prime seats in the East and West?

Why complicate it, why divide supporters on wealth. That is what is currently wrong with football in England, all about business and greed, nothing about community.
At Hibs we all pay the same season ticket price as every other Hibs supporter else in our category. No season ticket holder holds any kudos over any other season ticket holder.
It's how it should be.

Diclonius
30-05-2019, 01:19 PM
Do you think we should raise the price of prime seats in the East and West?

Wait. No! I sit there! :grr:

HibeeHibernian4
30-05-2019, 01:20 PM
Do you think we should raise the price of prime seats in the East and West?

Absolutely not. We should be cutting our prices, if anything.

Scouse Hibee
30-05-2019, 01:22 PM
Absolutely not. We should be cutting our prices, if anything.

Cutting them? No we should not.

HibeeHibernian4
30-05-2019, 02:33 PM
Cutting them? No we should not.

Why? So we can chase the dizzying heights of third place in the league?

Sod that, I'd rather local supporters weren't being priced out of going to Easter Road, as is currently the case.

You are too short-termist in your thinking. What is more likely to have fans still going to watch Hibs in 50 years time - finishing in the top four because of a minimally increased playing budget, or cheaper tickets for all.

Since90+2
30-05-2019, 02:38 PM
Why? So we can chase the dizzying heights of third place in the league?

Sod that, I'd rather local supporters weren't being priced out of going to Easter Road, as is currently the case.

You are too short-termist in your thinking. What is more likely to have fans still going to watch Hibs in 50 years time - finishing in the top four because of a minimally increased playing budget, or cheaper tickets for all.

Our season tickets are already accessible by virtually every member of the community. If you buy on the payment plan early bird its less than a tenner a week,I'd suggest there are very few people in society who can't afford that. For the tiny number of unfortunate people who can't afford that they are still able to pick and choose games to come and support the club as every single game goes to a public sale.

There is absolutely no need to cut our prices and impact on the chances of the club progressing by cutting the wage budget.

The answer to your last question is a successful team and club will have more people watching the club rather than cutting prices. Winning the Scottish cup had a massive impact on our attendences even after the prices have increased. Continually finishing 3rd , qualifying for Europe and making the finals and occcasionally winning cups will bring more people through the door than a poor team that's only fifteen quid to watch.

SquashedFrogg
30-05-2019, 02:39 PM
Why? So we can chase the dizzying heights of third place in the league?

Sod that, I'd rather local supporters weren't being priced out of going to Easter Road, as is currently the case.

You are too short-termist in your thinking. What is more likely to have fans still going to watch Hibs in 50 years time - finishing in the top four because of a minimally increased playing budget, or cheaper tickets for all.

Kind of agree with this.

iwasthere1972
30-05-2019, 02:41 PM
All pretty misleading then.

HibeeHibernian4
30-05-2019, 03:34 PM
Our season tickets are already accessible by virtually every member of the community. If you buy on the payment plan early bird its less than a tenner a week,I'd suggest there are very few people in society who can't afford that. For the tiny number of unfortunate people who can't afford that they are still able to pick and choose games to come and support the club as every single game goes to a public sale.

There is absolutely no need to cut our prices and impact on the chances of the club progressing by cutting the wage budget.

The answer to your last question is a successful team and club will have more people watching the club rather than cutting prices. Winning the Scottish cup had a massive impact on our attendences even after the prices have increased. Continually finishing 3rd , qualifying for Europe and making the finals and occcasionally winning cups will bring more people through the door than a poor team that's only fifteen quid to watch.

I'm not saying that cutting prices is a must, but it's definitely something Hibs should be doing over raising them.

For what it's worth, I see your point, but I think the "tenner a week" thing is a tad misleading. There are costs associated (travel, food, drink), particularly if you're taking kids along. It's a disgraceful reflection on our society that it's the case, but there's a good proportion of the population who can't afford that.

Winning the Scottish Cup did have a massive impact on our attendances, we're in total agreement there. This is something I have long believed, Hibs need to be going hell for leather in the cups and not caring about the league nearly as much.

And you don't need to have a big budget to win the Scottish Cup, though it can obviously help. What matters just as much, if not more, is mentality and luck. The 2015/16 season under Stubbs, our second in the Championship and with low season ticket sales, must've been one of the smallest budgets we've had in the modern era. Did it prevent us from winning the cup? No. We had an excellent cup manager in Alan Stubbs and reached two finals, winning the bigger one.

Since we've come up, there's been a lot of talk about increased budgets and the like, but let's look at where it's got us in the cups:
League Cup 17/18 - semi final defeat to Celtic
Scottish Cup 17/18 - fourth round defeat to Hearts
League Cup 18/19 - quarter final defeat to Aberdeen
Scottish Cup 18/19 - quarter final defeat to Celtic

The answer - a very average cup record from a very average cup manager like Neil Lennon. His defeats as Celtic manager to the likes of Morton, Ross County, St Mirren etc are a big, black mark against his name for many Celtic fans.

Finally, taking a look at the 'continually finishing 3rd , qualifying for Europe and making the finals and occcasionally winning cups will bring more people through the door' comment, you only have to see Aberdeen's attendances to know that this isn't the case at all. It gets stale quickly, and despite Rangers' introduction to the league boosting their away end figures, Aberdeen's attendances have dropped off by a couple of thousand since the beginning of the McInnes era.

Ultimately, a bigger budget does not guarantee success, and the 'success' it does increase the chances of getting usually wears pretty thin for fans if the prices are high and the matchday experience is poor. There is a glass ceiling in Scottish football that, without serious investment from outwith fans, is unlikely to be smashed through by a club like us.

It therefore seems to me rather naive to believe that the answer is simply a case of "well if we all dig a little deeper into our pockets then 2nd place is just around the corner". Hearts fans pump millions into their club and are getting little to no return on the pitch. Your theory relies on football owners actually wanting what's best for the fans, which is rarely ever the case in modern football.

Scouse Hibee
30-05-2019, 05:05 PM
Why? So we can chase the dizzying heights of third place in the league?

Sod that, I'd rather local supporters weren't being priced out of going to Easter Road, as is currently the case.

You are too short-termist in your thinking. What is more likely to have fans still going to watch Hibs in 50 years time - finishing in the top four because of a minimally increased playing budget, or cheaper tickets for all.

I’m too short termist 😂

Eyrie
30-05-2019, 06:34 PM
Upper tier seats at the Tiny PBS are more expensive because they see more of the ball than those in the lower tier.

Danderhall Hibs
30-05-2019, 06:36 PM
All pretty misleading then.

It’s not really - we are the 2nd most expensive to get a season ticket for. If you want one for anyother club (bar Celtic) you can get it cheaper.

CMurdoch
30-05-2019, 08:04 PM
It’s not really - we are the 2nd most expensive to get a season ticket for. If you want one for anyother club (bar Celtic) you can get it cheaper.

A real journalist would have told us the average price of a season ticket at each club.
e.g. the average price of an adult season ticket at Hibernian is £385 if they all bought at the early bird price.
Obviously working it out for the other clubs would require a bit of research which is beyond a cut and paste with pictures "journalist" who probably has to produce another 30 pieces of dung per day.

The truth is that you can get a cheaper season at our competitors but you will be getting a pants view. The dung producer with google has done our club a disservice :wink:.

lyonhibs
30-05-2019, 08:17 PM
Why? So we can chase the dizzying heights of third place in the league?

Sod that, I'd rather local supporters weren't being priced out of going to Easter Road, as is currently the case.

You are too short-termist in your thinking. What is more likely to have fans still going to watch Hibs in 50 years time - finishing in the top four because of a minimally increased playing budget, or cheaper tickets for all.

Are "local" supporters being priced out of going to ER? Where is the geographical boundary on "local"? Who are the 16-18000 fans who have been turning up week-in week out? Tourists from the Far East??

Heedersnvolleys
30-05-2019, 08:25 PM
I would suggest maybe cutting the price of the 2 sections at the end of the west and east to help with uptake.

CMurdoch
30-05-2019, 08:30 PM
I would suggest maybe cutting the price of the 2 sections at the end of the west and east to help with uptake.

Folk would just buy a cheaper season ticket in those sections then sit in a spare seat nearer the middle = less revenue.
It would only work if at some point we are selling out which is unlikely.

Antifa Hibs
30-05-2019, 08:47 PM
It’s not really - we are the 2nd most expensive to get a season ticket for. If you want one for anyother club (bar Celtic) you can get it cheaper.

Not necessarily though. The Rangers £372 ones are available "in limited numbers in CD7" so could sell-out instantly and sound like restricted view to me.

A fairer assessment would be the block directly behind the goal and a side block directly in line with the half way line.

Aberdeen halfway line (South stand so sharing the same as us) is £404.
Behind the goal is £378 and £404

Hearts halfway line in the Wheatfield is £350 and £500
Hearts behind the goal is £330 and £400

Celtic is £490 (although that does in include 1 league cup game and 1 euro qualifier i think)

Rangers with their 5% increase is £500 odd.

Not a fan of different pricing in the same stand although fair play to Hertz the silver and bronze sections do offer some good value at £350 and £330 for the season.

Keith_M
30-05-2019, 08:53 PM
The same thing could happen at Tynecastle as well as the wheatfield stand stand has 3 different prices depending on where you sit.
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That's true.

Danderhall Hibs
30-05-2019, 08:56 PM
The truth is that you can get a cheaper season at our competitors but you will be getting a pants view. The dung producer with google has done our club a disservice :wink:.

Whereas we massively overcharge for our pants view seats?

GreenLake
30-05-2019, 09:21 PM
Double the prices but include free beer and pies.

CMurdoch
30-05-2019, 09:29 PM
Whereas we massively overcharge for our pants view seats?

But the difference at Hibs is if you have a pants seat you can move every season without having to pay extra until you get your perfect seat.
You can then keep that seat for as long as you want to loyally back the club by buying a season ticket.

green day
30-05-2019, 11:03 PM
Whereas we massively overcharge for our pants view seats?

Or do we undercharge for our prime seats?

IMO neither is true and Hibs have it just right.

My ticket in section 11 West upper same price as middle of East. Both great but different views.

If the journo thinks some clubs overcharge he needs to do proper analysis - mean, median and mode etc - but that would only work in stadia with similar capacity, say ER, Tynie and pittodrie.

NAE NOOKIE
31-05-2019, 12:24 AM
Why? So we can chase the dizzying heights of third place in the league?

Sod that, I'd rather local supporters weren't being priced out of going to Easter Road, as is currently the case.

You are too short-termist in your thinking. What is more likely to have fans still going to watch Hibs in 50 years time - finishing in the top four because of a minimally increased playing budget, or cheaper tickets for all.

Another poster commented on the highlighted bit, but I have to as well. Are folk who aren't 'local' Hibs fans richer than ones who are? and what's 'local' Leith, Edinburgh, Midlothian?

As for what the fans pay. Have you seen the clubs in the lower end of the price list? Not one of them has anything like the infrastructure Hibs have to maintain, its not just about paying transfer fees or players wages. As for being short termist …. the complaints about everything from the PA system to the quality of the catering are legion on here, stuff that years ago weren't even worth anything more than a passing comment. Fans and consumers of entertainment expect more and more from the experience and clubs have to keep up or lose out to other forms of entertainment, that also costs money.

Of course, the other flaw in your argument is how you reconcile the fact that fans in towns like Hamilton and Motherwell / Wishaw are happy to give the far cheaper local clubs a body swerve and pay the travel costs and far higher ticket prices to watch the Uglies …. kind of blows the case that success is less of a factor than cheap tickets out of the water I would say.

I_Love_Latapy
31-05-2019, 04:37 AM
Why complicate it, why divide supporters on wealth. That is what is currently wrong with football in England, all about business and greed, nothing about community.
At Hibs we all pay the same season ticket price as every other Hibs supporter else in our category. No season ticket holder holds any kudos over any other season ticket holder.
It's how it should be.

I’d never thought of it like that but I agree I like it. Would be nice if the Club made more of this - it’s a great community thing.