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Wellbankhibby
27-05-2019, 04:41 PM
Now that the dust has settled with Villa Promotion anyone any idea how much Hibs will receive. Super John Man of the Match. Fantastic

MWHIBBIES
27-05-2019, 04:42 PM
About 10 people in the world know, none of them post on here sadly. Rumours between 1.5/2 million.

HoboHarry
27-05-2019, 04:42 PM
No, no one has a clue.

HoboHarry
27-05-2019, 04:43 PM
About 10 people in the world know, none of them post on here sadly. Rumours between 1.5/2 million.
300,000 on the other thread....

Fife-Hibee
27-05-2019, 04:44 PM
https://i.gifer.com/XzpY.gif

Diclonius
27-05-2019, 04:45 PM
Waiting on the St Mirren chairman coming along and tweeting that whatever it is, they're due 33%. :wink:

truehibernian
27-05-2019, 04:48 PM
Waiting on the St Mirren chairman coming along and tweeting that whatever it is, they're due 33%. :wink:

Keep posting we're due £300,000 in that case :greengrin:wink:

Keith_M
27-05-2019, 04:50 PM
Waiting on the St Mirren chairman coming along and tweeting that whatever it is, they're due 33%. :wink:


They are.

They get 33% of any money that any club makes from John McGinn until he's 75

ahibby
27-05-2019, 04:54 PM
Keep posting we're due £300,000 in that case :greengrin:wink:

Whatever it is I'd be surprised they'll make it public. We will be negotiating for signings and Hibs won't want anyone to know exactly what's coming in and can be spent. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it's enough to bring in Stephane. One thing he has in common with SJM is his ability to win the ball i.e. take it off the opposition. I don't really care that he doesn't score or assist, yet, maybe that's to come, maybe not but if he keeps winning the ball to feed creators, that'll do me. Even though McNulty is likely to bring goals give me Omeonga!

truehibernian
27-05-2019, 04:57 PM
Whatever it is I'd be surprised they'll make it public. We will be negotiating for signings and Hibs won't want anyone to know exactly what's coming in and can be spent. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it's enough to bring in Stephane. One thing he has in common with SJM is his ability to win the ball i.e. take it off the opposition. I don't really care that he doesn't score or assist, yet, maybe that's to come, maybe not but if he keeps winning the ball to feed creators, that'll do me. Even though McNulty is likely to bring goals give me Omeonga!

No way will it be revealed (other than in accounts).

I can see a pretty handsome kitty however, just hope it's not boosted by other sales - can see bids coming in for Rocky in summer too. Would not surprise me in the slightest if Lennon goes for him and Craig Gordon is released.

HoboHarry
27-05-2019, 04:58 PM
No way will it be revealed (other than in accounts).

I can see a pretty handsome kitty however, just hope it's not boosted by other sales - can see bids coming in for Rocky in summer too. Would not surprise me in the slightest if Lennon goes for him and Craig Gordon is released.
20 pounds bet to charity that Celtic do not buy Rocky?

hibsdaft
27-05-2019, 05:00 PM
Waiting on the St Mirren chairman coming along and tweeting that whatever it is, they're due 33%. :wink:

Hope Hibs were cute and the St Mirren deal covered sell on only

The Leith Dutch
27-05-2019, 05:01 PM
One thing he has in common with SJM is his ability to win the ball i.e. take it off the opposition. I don't really care that he doesn't score or assist


This. Badly needed for next season.
Silky players and strikers need to have the ball.

Iain G
27-05-2019, 05:03 PM
And hopefully there is at least a 10% sell on clause when they sell him for £50m next year :-)

The 90+2
27-05-2019, 05:04 PM
£6.2m

truehibernian
27-05-2019, 05:04 PM
20 pounds bet to charity that Celtic do not buy Rocky?

I've no info that they will, however his agent was cosying up to Lennon at Parkhead a few weeks ago. I do think clubs will come in for Ofir though, he's had a strong end to the season and has been really consistent this last two years. He's certainly good enough for the Championship down south.

The 90+2
27-05-2019, 05:05 PM
20 pounds bet to charity that Celtic do not buy Rocky?

I’ll take it. You choose the charity.

judas
27-05-2019, 05:07 PM
Whatever it is I'd be surprised they'll make it public. We will be negotiating for signings and Hibs won't want anyone to know exactly what's coming in and can be spent. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it's enough to bring in Stephane. One thing he has in common with SJM is his ability to win the ball i.e. take it off the opposition. I don't really care that he doesn't score or assist, yet, maybe that's to come, maybe not but if he keeps winning the ball to feed creators, that'll do me. Even though McNulty is likely to bring goals give me Omeonga!

Do you think that is why Hibs don’t make it public?

I mean right now here’s what we don’t know:

1. What we sold Him for
2. What we get from Villas promotion
3. What we get if he’s sold on.

A player is worth what he is worth. Everyone knowing what we stand to gain will make little or no difference to our future recruitment efforts.

I have asked before - why don’t the board just tell us?

I would add as a footnote that I actually respect and like our board, but I can’t see who the silence benefits exactly.

HoboHarry
27-05-2019, 05:08 PM
I’ll take it. You choose the charity.
It's not an open bet for everyone, I'm only moderately wealthy :greengrin

DaveF
27-05-2019, 05:10 PM
Craig Gordon is released.

Back to Hearts.

Diclonius
27-05-2019, 05:11 PM
Back to Hearts.

Can they afford him?

Wilson
27-05-2019, 05:13 PM
Can they afford him?

Since when has that mattered?

Stevie Reid
27-05-2019, 05:15 PM
Back to Hearts.

Stick on, surely.

DaveF
27-05-2019, 05:15 PM
Can they afford him?

No idea, it just seems like it's a good fit as they should want rid of that clown Zamal.

Slavers
27-05-2019, 05:17 PM
Did Hibs make more in a game they didn't play in compared to Hearts historic cup this year?

truehibernian
27-05-2019, 05:18 PM
Did Hibs make more in a game they didn't play in compared to Hearts historic cup this year?

Easily :aok:

Stevie Reid
27-05-2019, 05:20 PM
Can they afford him?

Gordon is 36. If he wants to be at another really big club is only (remote) hope is as a 3rd choice IMO.

I’m sure he’ll just want to play, especially given the years he spent out of the game. Hearts will think he’s perfect for them right now, I’m sure. And they’re probably right.

Watson19
27-05-2019, 05:32 PM
Would definitely like to think that Dylan would come back up the road, play along side Allan again, get McNulty up top and they’ll feed him the ball all day long


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truehibernian
27-05-2019, 05:33 PM
Gordon is 36. If he wants to be at another really big club is only (remote) hope is as a 3rd choice IMO.

I’m sure he’ll just want to play, especially given the years he spent out of the game. Hearts will think he’s perfect for them right now, I’m sure. And they’re probably right.

I can see Hearts re-structuring their backroom team and moving on coaches - some perhaps wanting to move into management themselves. Paul Gallagher is a top guy and good G/K coach and can't see him moving, but can see Gordon going back to Hearts and working with the youth teams. I've posted a few times that players don't rate McPhee and some parents of young players I've spoken to say the coaching team are very poor.

I can see them trying to 're-connect' with fans and bringing back 'favourites' and going down the 'one of our own' route. They're losing fans in their season books are way down.

The Modfather
27-05-2019, 05:34 PM
Can we just have him back in exchange for waiving any clauses we have 🙏

franck sauzee
27-05-2019, 05:37 PM
No way will it be revealed (other than in accounts).

I can see a pretty handsome kitty however, just hope it's not boosted by other sales - can see bids coming in for Rocky in summer too. Would not surprise me in the slightest if Lennon goes for him and Craig Gordon is released.

I was thinking last night that Lennon may go in for Bogdan actually. Free transfer I think and his distribution is much better than Rocky's which at Celtic is important

we are hibs
27-05-2019, 05:38 PM
Just tell st.mirren to bolt. Wee diddy team anyway what they going to do about it?..

Since452
27-05-2019, 05:45 PM
Just tell st.mirren to bolt. Wee diddy team anyway what they going to do about it?..

St Mirren are fine with me. They hate Hearts almost as much as we do.

judas
27-05-2019, 06:11 PM
The thread isn’t about goalkeepers though is it?

It’s about how much we get from Villa.

Aim Here
27-05-2019, 06:17 PM
Just tell st.mirren to bolt. Wee diddy team anyway what they going to do about it?..

Off the top of my head, I reckon they might hire a lawyer, sue Hibs and get the money they're owed, plus make Hibs pay for two sets of expensive lawyers...

Aim Here
27-05-2019, 06:18 PM
St Mirren are fine with me. They hate Hearts almost as much as we do.

Isn't it the other way around? Hearts hate St Mirren, while the Mirren folks are only dimly aware of the part they played in the worst day of the lives of Jambos of a certain vintage. Which is all the more reason to enjoy having them around...

The 90+2
27-05-2019, 06:22 PM
It's not an open bet for everyone, I'm only moderately wealthy :greengrin

😁

The 90+2
27-05-2019, 06:23 PM
Just tell st.mirren to bolt. Wee diddy team anyway what they going to do about it?..

I agree!! For we are the people! Oops wrong forum.

we are hibs
27-05-2019, 06:24 PM
Off the top of my head, I reckon they might hire a lawyer, sue Hibs and get the money they're owed, plus make Hibs pay for two sets of expensive lawyers...

Erm, I was joking.

One Day Soon
27-05-2019, 06:27 PM
However much it is it will somehow be less than it could have been if it wasn't for Neil Lennon.

truehibernian
27-05-2019, 06:31 PM
However much it is it will somehow be less than it could have been if it wasn't for Neil Lennon.

........change the last two words to Leeann Dempster :aok:

One Day Soon
27-05-2019, 06:33 PM
........change the last two words to Leeann Dempster :aok:


Not sure to what extent the Venn diagram circles overlap between the two groups of haters.

erin go bragh
27-05-2019, 06:33 PM
1.5 m is the figure I heard . Then 15% of any future transfer.

judas
27-05-2019, 06:40 PM
1.5 m is the figure I heard . Then 15% of any future transfer.

That would be immense.

DetroitHibs
27-05-2019, 06:47 PM
St Mirren are due nowt. We didn’t keep collecting money for Fletcher on his every move, just once.

The 90+2
27-05-2019, 06:48 PM
1.5 m is the figure I heard . Then 15% of any future transfer.

1.5 with £300k to St Mirren

CockneyRebel
27-05-2019, 06:49 PM
Do you think that is why Hibs don’t make it public?

I mean right now here’s what we don’t know:

1. What we sold Him for
2. What we get from Villas promotion
3. What we get if he’s sold on.

A player is worth what he is worth. Everyone knowing what we stand to gain will make little or no difference to our future recruitment efforts.

I have asked before - why don’t the board just tell us?

I would add as a footnote that I actually respect and like our board, but I can’t see who the silence benefits exactly.


You don't show your hand (or your wallet) if you don't have to. Of course other clubs would try it on if they knew we had landed a few quid, it's human nature.

MWHIBBIES
27-05-2019, 06:53 PM
St Mirren are due nowt. We didn’t keep collecting money for Fletcher on his every move, just once.

Why would Fletchers deal have anything to do with this?

Michael
27-05-2019, 06:54 PM
St Mirren are due nowt. We didn’t keep collecting money for Fletcher on his every move, just once.

Yes we did.

BoomtownHibees
27-05-2019, 07:00 PM
£170m coming our way according to the EEN:

McGinn scored Villa’s second goal as they defeated Derby County 2-1 in the Championship play-off final at Wembley, triggering a bumper £170 million bonus for his former club.

SouthMoroccoStu
27-05-2019, 07:04 PM
Just tell st.mirren to bolt. Wee diddy team anyway what they going to do about it?..

Lol

Na we’re not hearts

We have class and honour our financial commitments

HoboHarry
27-05-2019, 07:20 PM
Can .net turn this into one of those competition thingy's with a prize for whoever is closest to the amount we get? We could call it the "I talked less s***e than everyone else" award.....

greenpaper55
27-05-2019, 07:25 PM
Villa fans saying 300K

Diclonius
27-05-2019, 07:51 PM
St Mirren are fine with me. They hate Hearts almost as much as we do.

As do Motherwell, bizarrely enough.

3pm
27-05-2019, 08:02 PM
Villa fans saying 300K

They won’t know either.

04Sauzee
27-05-2019, 08:11 PM
Villa fans saying 300K

What villa fans?, EEN said it wouldn't be pennies and would be a substantial amount

hibby6270
27-05-2019, 08:13 PM
Do you think that is why Hibs don’t make it public?

I mean right now here’s what we don’t know:

1. What we sold Him for
2. What we get from Villas promotion
3. What we get if he’s sold on.

A player is worth what he is worth. Everyone knowing what we stand to gain will make little or no difference to our future recruitment efforts.

I have asked before - why don’t the board just tell us?

I would add as a footnote that I actually respect and like our board, but I can’t see who the silence benefits exactly.

In the after match interviews on Sky this afternoon, the answer to your first point was quoted as £2.5m

No idea on the other two though. And why would I?

Greenworld
27-05-2019, 08:17 PM
It is not what anyone has said 1.3 million is the figure

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lyonhibs
27-05-2019, 08:18 PM
Just tell st.mirren to bolt. Wee diddy team anyway what they going to do about it?..

***** patter.

04Sauzee
27-05-2019, 09:01 PM
https://www.blackandwhitearmy.com/forums/index.php?/topic/49507-john-mcginn/page/5/#comments

Scouse Hibee
27-05-2019, 09:09 PM
Everton banked a further £1m from the sale of Naismith to Norwich following the promotion of Norwich to the EPL. That tells us nothing but thought it worth mentioning anyway.

Forza Fred
27-05-2019, 10:16 PM
Villa fans forum quoting local journalist who tweeted that promotion would mean Villa would have to pay Hibs additional 300k pounds.

No idea if it is accurate, nor if it is, how much we would have to pay St Mirren, if anything.

Seems reasonably plausible though.

HoboHarry
27-05-2019, 10:29 PM
Villa fans forum quoting local journalist who tweeted that promotion would mean Villa would have to pay Hibs additional 300k pounds.

No idea if it is accurate, nor if it is, how much we would have to pay St Mirren, if anything.

Seems reasonably plausible though.
Promotion is worth 170M to Villa according to Deloitte. You honestly believe that RP asked for a clause which is .0176% of that amount? Seriously?

Stuart93
27-05-2019, 10:31 PM
https://www.blackandwhitearmy.com/forums/index.php?/topic/49507-john-mcginn/page/5/#comments

I’m not so sure the supposed 33% sell on would include any clauses we had in selling him to villa such as the promotion clause. Surely would only be 33% of any money we make if villa decide to sell SJM

cabbageandribs1875
27-05-2019, 10:48 PM
Ross McCormack, who last played for villa in january 2017 and has been farmed out on loan to a few clubs will see his weekly wage rise to 70k/week for the remaining 12 months of his contract, yep...SEVENTY grand/week due to big bonuses for promotion :shocked: and a few other players as well

AgentDaleCooper
27-05-2019, 10:56 PM
1.5 m is the figure I heard . Then 15% of any future transfer.

I genuinely think he's going to get sold to Liverpool in 1/2 years for £70m, hope i'm right, we'd pocket a cool 10 million quid.

DetroitHibs
27-05-2019, 11:06 PM
Yes we did.

Na we didn't

Forza Fred
28-05-2019, 12:25 AM
Promotion is worth 170M to Villa according to Deloitte. You honestly believe that RP asked for a clause which is .0176% of that amount? Seriously?

What it is worth to Villa is not relevant.

10% of the original transfer fee seems plausible to me.

Just as Rod may want more, other clubs are just as wary of giving more than they have to away.

we are hibs
28-05-2019, 06:47 AM
***** patter.

So Is jumping all over a blatant joke.

Hibernia&Alba
28-05-2019, 07:10 AM
If it's anything around a seven figure sum, it's happy days indeed.

Since452
28-05-2019, 07:18 AM
We made a mint from Fletchers various transfers. There's no doubt we'd have similar clauses in McGinns agreement. It's the way forward for Scottish clubs. Whoever persuaded McGinn to sign for us needs a massive pat on the back. Sure he had his bags packed for the USA. What a waste that would have been for the lad.

HibbySpurs
28-05-2019, 07:20 AM
If it's anything around a seven figure sum, it's happy days indeed.

Yep, think £300k is too low but £2M is overly optimistic. LD & RP will have got the best deal they can get and I’m hopeful the promotion clause will be a seven figure sum.

Didn’t Steve Bruce day that Villa got him relatively cheap but the add ons are the most eye watering he’d ever seen ( or words to that effect). If so that bodes well for us.

Whatever the figure is the club know it’s coming now and the playing budget can be adjusted to take account of it.

Juniper Greens
28-05-2019, 07:22 AM
Yep, think £300k is too low but £2M is overly optimistic. LD & RP will have got the best deal they can get and I’m hopeful the promotion clause will be a seven figure sum.

Didn’t Steve Bruce day that Villa got him relatively cheap but the add ons are the most eye watering he’d ever seen ( or words to that effect). If so that bodes well for us.

Whatever the figure is the club know it’s coming now and the playing budget can be adjusted to take account of it.

Wouldn't surprise me if there are more to come, eg. £100k for staying up, appearances, goals, assists etc.

Since452
28-05-2019, 07:32 AM
Wouldn't surprise me if there are more to come, eg. £100k for staying up, appearances, goals, assists etc.

It's a certainty

Gmack7
28-05-2019, 07:38 AM
Can someone post a link with Steve Bruce
talking about the clauses,

Caversham Green
28-05-2019, 08:01 AM
St Mirren are due nowt. We didn’t keep collecting money for Fletcher on his every move, just once.


Yes we did.


Na we didn't

According to Wiki Fletcher was sold to Burnley in June 2009 for £3m. The relevant accounts (to July 2009) show transfer receipts of £2.7m - presumably the first instalment of the fee.
He was then sold to Wolves for £6.5m in June 2010. The relevant accounts show receipts of £3m - presumably add-ons such as appearances, goals and sell-on fee.
Wolves sold him to Sunderland in August 2012 for £12m. The accounts to 2012 show receipts of £82k and the 2013 accounts show receipts of £22k.

Conclusion: Assuming Wiki is accurate there was no major sell-on clause beyond the first one from Burnley to Wolves, but that sell-on percentage was huge, bearing in mind that it's a percentage of profit rather than the full fee and the player, associations and agents all take a slice of the reported fees. I don't think there were any other major transfers during the period to muddy the waters (Stokes to Celtc was 2011 and shows in the 2011 accounts as £1.2m) but stand to be corrected.

Phil MaGlass
28-05-2019, 09:18 AM
In Holland players that get sold, a % of all transfer money trickles down to all clubs a player came through, keeps the money generating in the lower clubs.

Juniper Greens
28-05-2019, 09:51 AM
According to Wiki Fletcher was sold to Burnley in June 2009 for £3m. The relevant accounts (to July 2009) show transfer receipts of £2.7m - presumably the first instalment of the fee.
He was then sold to Wolves for £6.5m in June 2010. The relevant accounts show receipts of £3m - presumably add-ons such as appearances, goals and sell-on fee.
Wolves sold him to Sunderland in August 2012 for £12m. The accounts to 2012 show receipts of £82k and the 2013 accounts show receipts of £22k.

Conclusion: Assuming Wiki is accurate there was no major sell-on clause beyond the first one from Burnley to Wolves, but that sell-on percentage was huge, bearing in mind that it's a percentage of profit rather than the full fee and the player, associations and agents all take a slice of the reported fees. I don't think there were any other major transfers during the period to muddy the waters (Stokes to Celtc was 2011 and shows in the 2011 accounts as £1.2m) but stand to be corrected.

That's because wolves and Sunderland did not agree a sell on fee.
In this instance, we have a sell on with villa and at mirren have one with us. We are due St Mirren 33% of anything we receive for SJM ever.
If villa sell and do not have a clause themselves, then we get nothing more after that move. If they agree a clause with the new club, then we get 15% of anything villa get from that future deal, of which we give st Mirren 33%

Simples

lyonhibs
28-05-2019, 09:57 AM
So Is jumping all over a blatant joke.

I'm sensing a "got called out, revert to pretending it was a joke" chat here :greengrin

Anyway, no matter. We'll pay what we're due them if anything. 33% of 358 million still leaves us with enough for Rod's helipad and a few shekels left over for the first team squad.

Since90+2
28-05-2019, 10:04 AM
That's because wolves and Sunderland did not agree a sell on fee.
In this instance, we have a sell on with villa and at mirren have one with us. We are due St Mirren 33% of anything we receive for SJM ever.
If villa sell and do not have a clause themselves, then we get nothing more after that move. If they agree a clause with the new club, then we get 15% of anything villa get from that future deal, of which we give st Mirren 33%

Simples

How do you know this to be fact?

Hibbyradge
28-05-2019, 10:07 AM
I'm sensing a "got called out, revert to pretending it was a joke" chat here :greengrin

Anyway, no matter. We'll pay what we're due them if anything. 33% of 358 million still leaves us with enough for Rod's helipad and a few shekels left over for the first team squad.

Nah, it was obviously not a serious post.

Hibstrooper
28-05-2019, 10:07 AM
£2.7m is a figure often quoted in the original transfer price, an additional £300k to take overall transfer up to £3m is probably where that figure is coming from.

Probably still guesswork however I’d be (pleasantly) surprised if it was massively higher, that’s another 10% on top of original fee. It’s not as if there were loads of bidders so Villa would have held most of the bargaining cards.

MWHIBBIES
28-05-2019, 10:08 AM
How do you know this to be fact?

He doesn't. Only people who have seen the contract know what is happening. Everything else is just made up.

Juniper Greens
28-05-2019, 10:14 AM
He doesn't. Only people who have seen the contract know what is happening. Everything else is just made up.

Ok then...if that's what you think

MWHIBBIES
28-05-2019, 10:23 AM
Ok then...if that's what you think

Have you seen it? How do you know it doesn't include a clause that St Mirren only recieve a portion of the next transfer fee? Maybe that is why Hibs gave them such a large chunk of it? Maybe St Mirren recieve a smaller % as time goes on? Maybe they only get a % of transfer fees so this promotion clause doesn't come into it?

Its all just bull**** because very few people actually know whats happening.

Caversham Green
28-05-2019, 11:22 AM
That's because wolves and Sunderland did not agree a sell on fee.
In this instance, we have a sell on with villa and at mirren have one with us. We are due St Mirren 33% of anything we receive for SJM ever.
If villa sell and do not have a clause themselves, then we get nothing more after that move. If they agree a clause with the new club, then we get 15% of anything villa get from that future deal, of which we give st Mirren 33%

Simples

Yep, that would work, except that it would be Burnley/Wolves that didn't have a sell-on agreement rather than Wolves/Sunderland. I suspect though, that the bigger the initial percentage, the less likely it is to be perpetual.

As an aside, the sell-on agreement with St Mirren is subject to a confidentiality agreement so it appears they have breached that contract and Hibs would be justified in withholding payment. I suspect the sell-on clause with Villa (if there is one) is also subject to a confidentiality agreement.

Juniper Greens
28-05-2019, 11:34 AM
Yep, that would work, except that it would be Burnley/Wolves that didn't have a sell-on agreement rather than Wolves/Sunderland. I suspect though, that the bigger the initial percentage, the less likely it is to be perpetual.

As an aside, the sell-on agreement with St Mirren is subject to a confidentiality agreement so it appears they have breached that contract and Hibs would be justified in withholding payment. I suspect the sell-on clause with Villa (if there is one) is also subject to a confidentiality agreement.

Ah yes, that's the one.

I suspect you are right about confidential clauses etc. However we probably want to be keeping clubs onside for future deals. Was Gilmore not gone from them by the time he outed the clause on Twitter?

.Sean.
28-05-2019, 11:41 AM
As do Motherwell, bizarrely enough.
There’s nothing bizarre about hating Hearts