Marathon Bet

[BegbieHSC]

Sorry if this question has already been asked.

Does our sponsorship with Marathonbet expire next month?

Personally, I hope we move on if it does. I’m not a fan of promoting a betting company on our shirt at all. They were good with us while Tom Zanelli was there, but they’ve not really shown much interest (apart from the money) since.

Ethically I think we should be looking elsewhere.

For aesthetics, I’d love a wee Guinness sponsorship, but some would argue promoting booze isn’t much better than gambling.

Thoughts?

[lyonhibs]

If we're going to go down the ethics route then booze, gambling, sweets and fizzy drink manufacturers are out the window.

[BegbieHSC]

If we're going to go down the ethics route then booze, gambling, sweets and fizzy drink manufacturers are out the window.

I would argue gambling is worse than the rest. Alcohol not significantly better in fairness to my previous post. I suppose I’d prefer a “lesser evil” sponsorship wise.

[Barney McGrew]

I’d prefer us to get the most amount of money we can from the name on the front of the shirt.

If that’s a gambling or drinks firm then so be it.

[Bangkok Hibby]

ANY sponsor who brings money to the club please. You will get people who maybe have family members who have been damaged by gambling, drink etc, or just hold strong views about this, but that shouldn't rule out a good deal from a legal, law abiding company.

[Since90+2]

I would argue gambling is worse than the rest. Alcohol not significantly better in fairness to my previous post. I suppose I’d prefer a “lesser evil” sponsorship wise.

Alcohol has a far bigger negative impact on society than gambling.

[Greencore]

If we're going to go down the ethics route then booze, gambling, sweets and fizzy drink manufacturers are out the window.
Sweets and fizzy drinks don't cause people to spend their life savings and tear family's apart.

[Greencore]

Alcohol has a far bigger negative impact on society than gambling.

From what you see, Gambling is easier to hide obviously.

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Go to a GA meeting near mosque kitchen in Edinburgh and you'll see that there's not enough seats for a single session and that's for the problem gamblers support group and the support group for family and friends who have a loved one who gambles.. Gambling is easier to hide and it can just aswell effect anyone and no one would know. With drink atleast the barman or shop retailer would refuse to serve you, with problem gambling you can do it on your toilet with no limits. Gambling is far worse.

[easty]

Sweets and fizzy drinks don't cause people to spend their life savings and tear family's apart.

No, but gambling doesn’t cause me to do that either.

[Greencore]

No, but gambling doesn’t cause me to do that either.

Correct, not YOU, but it can cause others to do so. With sweets it's possible but highly unlikely compared to gambling or alcohol.

[Bangkok Hibby]

From what you see, Gambling is easier to hide obviously.

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Go to a GA meeting near mosque kitchen in Edinburgh and you'll see thst there's not enough seats for a single session and that's for the problem gamblers support group and the support group for family and friends who have a loved one who gambles.. Gambling is easier to hide and it can just as well effect anyone and no one would know. With drink atleast the barman or shop retailer would refuse to serve you, with problem gambling you can do it on your toilet with no limits. Gambling is far worse.


A VERY quick look at Gov.UK tells us that in England alone in 2016/17 there were 337,000 alcohol related admissions to hospital and 5,507 alcohol related deaths. Now what about the tens or hundreds of thousands of problem drinkers who never seek help but are destroying their lives/health/families?

To say gambling is worse, in my opinion of course is completely wrong.

[MSK]

I’d prefer us to get the most amount of money we can from the name on the front of the shirt.

If that’s a gambling or drinks firm then so be it.Yep, agree with that 👍

[Smartie]

Sweets and fizzy drinks don't cause people to spend their life savings and tear family's apart.

I'm pretty sure the highest cause of general anaesthetics on children in the UK is to treat dental disease.

Who knows what the current price of obesity is to the nation?

Hundreds of millions, possibly billions being spent treating preventable diseases that could be spent on improving any number of public services.

My problem is that these things are individual choices, we'll all have our opinions on which are acceptable or unacceptable so it's hard to know where to draw the line. I'd be inclined to take the biggest offer and let parents teach their kids about the perils of gambling, drinking and sugar.

These things are all happy bedfellows for football though. I'vd drunk before and after football, I've gambled on football and nowadays I'm more likely to have a wee bag of sweets in my pocket watching the football.

[BegbieHSC]

Is our sponsorship due to expire next month?

[Greencore]

A VERY quick look at Gov.UK tells us that in England alone in 2016/17 there were 337,000 alcohol related admissions to hospital and 5,507 alcohol related deaths. Now what about the tens or hundreds of thousands of problem drinkers who never seek help but are destroying their lives/health/families?

To say gambling is worse, in my opinion of course is completely wrong.

Obviously everything I say is my opinion and not fact, however in regards to hiding an addiction Gambling is far worse then alcohol. Think about it, when you go to the pub and have too many you'll be told to leave, if you try and buy more you might not be served from another pub or shop.

With gambling, you can keep going and going and going, you might show anger and be told to leave, but just go to another bookies, that's even if you have even been in a bookies in your life. You don't even have to step foot in a bookies to even gamble. Infact, you can do it on the toilet, in your bed, on the bus to work. It's much more easier to do then drink and it can be anyone, obviously the use of alcohol again and again is much more serious because it can result in death, I agree there. But in regards to hiding the problem, I honestly believe gambling is far worse was the point I was making.

[Greencore]

let parents teach their kids about the perils of gambling, drinking and sugar.

Agreed.

[Smartie]

Obviously everything I say is my opinion and not fact, however in regards to hiding an addiction Gambling is far worse then alcohol. Think about it, when you go to the pub and have too many you'll be told to leave, if you try and buy more you might not be served from another pub or shop.

With gambling, you can keep going and going and going, you might show anger and be told to leave, but just go to another bookies, that's even if you have even been in a bookies in your life. You don't even have to step foot in a bookies to even gamble. Infact, you can do it on the toilet, in your bed, on the bus to work. It's much more easier to do then drink and it can be anyone, obviously the use of alcohol again and again is much more serious because it can result in death, I agree there. But in regards to hiding the problem, I honestly believe gambling is far worse was the point I was making.

For the reasons you mention, I think all sorts of gambling related problems will come to the surface over the next few years, and I think the UK is in the hold of a gambling addiction epidemic that it is trying hard to export around the world.

[Greencore]

For the reasons you mention, I think all sorts of gambling related problems will come to the surface over the next few years, and I think the UK is in the hold of a gambling addiction epidemic that it is trying hard to export around the world. exactly the point I am trying to make mate, my heart goes out to the family that have any family or friends under an addiction, drug, alcohol, gambling or even eating. My point was not gambling is far worse then any of those above, no addiction is worse then another and it really is down to personal circumstances and resources that people have.

It is a silent one and obviously a wee drink, punt on the match and a curry after the football is all fine and dandy. However I've seen first hand what alcohol and gambling can do when it's taken too far and it's heartbreaking.

Where do I stand for it being on a football shirt? Gambling is advertised everywhere and I mean everywhere, it makes no difference to me, however it would be nice to see it cut back on places like YouTube, and every advert on TV at 12 at night.

[HibbySpurs]

Alcohol has a far bigger negative impact on society than gambling.

Does it? Gambling addiction is the “hidden” addiction and as such doesn’t get anywhere near the coverage it merits but it’s a life wrecker as much as alcohol is.

[Diclonius]

If we're going to go down the ethics route then booze, gambling, sweets and fizzy drink manufacturers are out the window.

Good.

We either draw a line or we don't. The point of "as much money as we can" is a legitimate argument but I guess that means if an arms dealership wants to sponsor us and offers the most money, we take that? :dunno:

[SquashedFrogg]

Sweets and fizzy drinks don't cause people to spend their life savings and tear family's apart.

But they do contribute to a wide number of health issues which can have an effect on families.

[Greencore]

But they do contribute to a wide number of health issues which can have an effect on families.

Very true.

[Pretty Boy]

I don't like gambling advertising. It's somewhat unregulated when compared to other industries.

As an example alcohol advertising can't imply that alcohol can improve or enhance an experience. It can show people having a good time with a drink but it can't show someone miserable being cheered up by having one. Likewise car advertising can't reference speed, it can't suggest that driving faster enhances the driving experience. On the flip side gambling adverts very much imply that having a bet enhances the experience of sport. Sky Bet use the slogan 'it matters more when there's money on it'. Go figure. There's a wealth of articles available that show how bookmakers, online casinos and so on use targeted marketing to appeal to losing customers to draw them back in.

I like a bet but there was a spell where I felt I could have slid into problem territory. Viewing sport is just a barrage of gambling adverts. It's on teams strips, the leagues and cups are sponsored by them, pitch side advertising is dominated by gambling and the ad breaks on TV games are a succession of 7 or 8 different adverts for bookies. I absolutely understand people have a choice but if someone is in the grip of a problem then it must be a nightmare to have temptation thrust in your face at every turn.

Gambling addiction is still something of a hidden epidemic but it's increasingly coming into the open. As said above the easy ability to gamble huge stakes 24/7 is a ticking time bomb. Ultimately I'm torn; I'd prefer Hibs to avoid advertising alcohol, vaping, fast food and whatever else but I also understand companies aren't throwing money at Scottish football so we don't really have a choice.