McGeough &Cummings

[Comiston Hibee]

Not even on the bench for their respective teams tonight?

Both out of the picture or injured?

If fit to play then they should be good examples to our better younger players of the danger of leaving too soon

[Stevie Reid]

Not even on the bench for their respective teams tonight?

Both out of the picture or injured?

If fit to play then they should be good examples to our better younger players of the danger of leaving too soon

Cummings is on loan at Luton I think.

[muzzhfc]

Mcgeough is injured at the moment. Was speaking to a sundaerland fan on Friday/Saturday and he is well thought of down there

[cabbageandribs1875]

tbf they're perfectly entitled to go down south for a few years to treble/quadruple their wages, they have a great chance of coming back up the road and finding a club no bother

[Stuart93]

Mcgeough is injured at the moment. Was speaking to a sundaerland fan on Friday/Saturday and he is well thought of down there

By the fans, not so much by the manager

[Sir David Gray]

Not even on the bench for their respective teams tonight?

Both out of the picture or injured?

If fit to play then they should be good examples to our better younger players of the danger of leaving too soon

Cummings went on loan to Luton in January and they weren't playing tonight.

McGeouch got injured a few weeks ago, hence his absence.

[Speedy]

By the fans, not so much by the manager

Split the fans as well. Many rate him but others see him as too defensive.

[H113EE5]

Cummings went on loan to Luton in January and they weren't playing tonight.

McGeouch got injured a few weeks ago, hence his absence.

McGeouch injured....... there’s a surprise. :eek::eek:

[Unseen work]

Cummings really needs to watch with his career.

He has always been a bit of a joker but at hibs he was producing, now his career just seems to be going downhill. Thought it was back on track at Peterborough until he decided to get steaming and launch his tv thrown his window.

[Smartie]

Split the fans as well. Many rate him but others see him as too defensive.

Most of them don't see what he brings to the team.

I've not been down to see them this season but have watched a few of their games on tv, games in which they were absolutely crying out for what he brings to a team.

[Auckland Hibs]

Split the fans as well. Many rate him but others see him as too defensive.

I work with a Sunderland fan and he's pretty much in the same opinion about Dylan being too defensive (not sure what role he's being asked to play?).

Sunderland beaten tonight and looking like a team on the way down rather than up as they head for the playoffs, looking like another potential clash with Portsmouth at Wembley for them to be promoted.

Not read much about their finances since the whole Netfix series but you would have to wonder about their survival if they have another season outside the Championship.

[Since452]

Serious questions need asked of Jack Ross if they don't get promoted. They should have pissed that league. Dylan probably thought that too and that he'd be playing English Championship football at a big club next season. The move was good for his bank balance but he's taken a step backwards football wise even more so if they dont go up. To think he was getting capped at Hibs only last season.

[HFC93]

Cummings is an odd one. Only seems to feature off the bench for Luton, don't think he has a future at Forest. What's his next move?

[we are hibs]

Not sure what you mean by leaving too soon. Cummings was a hibs first team player for 4 season's as was Mcgeouch. That's a pretty long time in Footballing terms these days.

[joe_hfc]

To be honest I can't see Cummings being a success if he came back.

Last time round he grew in to being a footballer with his mates and had that youthful likeable cheeky chappy thing about him. It seemed to work. If he came back, there'll be a lot more professionalism expected of him. Regressing back to how he acted before might not go down well with some of the other players and staff who have come to the club since his departure.

It all depends on how he acts but I don't think he has the temperament.

I could be wrong, I don't know the guy. A bit of a non-story anyway as I doubt he'll be back.

McGeough would be a fantastic addition, but if he's free to go then I think he'll go to whoever is paying the most and that likely won't be us.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Cummings is an odd one. Only seems to feature off the bench for Luton, don't think he has a future at Forest. What's his next move?

Luton have been absolutely flying. Scoring plenty goals & now promoted. Don’t think he’s had that many starts, due to other players performing more than anything

[joe_hfc]

Yep. The flop that was James Collins is banging them in and keeping him out of the team...!!

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Yep. The flop that was James Collins is banging them in and keeping him out of the team...!!

Shuddering at the thought of that late derby sitter around about this time in 2014.

[Winston Ingram]

Cummings is an odd one. Only seems to feature off the bench for Luton, don't think he has a future at Forest. What's his next move?


Strikers who can only play in a 2 these days are always going to struggle. They're too tactically inflexible and unless they're absolutely out of this world, they're always going to struggle to get managers to restructure their team

[allezsauzee]

Yep. The flop that was James Collins is banging them in and keeping him out of the team...!!

I think this is more a damning indictment of Pat Fenlon than on James Collins. Bought as a replacement for Leigh Griffiths and expected to play in the same way. I'm sure he would have done much better for us if he was played as a target man with service from the wings. However we didn't have any wingers and Collins was frequently forced to drop off deep to get involved. I personally think Jason did the right thing going to England because I think he was as good as he was ever going to be when he left Hibs so he's as well making some money for himself. Dylan was 25 when he signed for Sunderland so not sure how long he was supposed to wait before giving English football a go.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Cummings left Hibs a year too early imo. He would have improved massively, like SJM with a season in the top flight.

It's a shame there is such a huge gulf financially between Scotland's top flight and England's third tier because I suspect that we became a great fit in managing Dylan's injury (albeit he visited a specialist independently) and getting the most out of him

[Since452]

Cummings left Hibs a year too early imo. He would have improved massively, like SJM with a season in the top flight.

It's a shame there is such a huge gulf financially between Scotland's top flight and England's third tier because I suspect that we became a great fit in managing Dylan's injury (albeit he visited a specialist independently) and getting the most out of him

I agree. It's sad that players feel they need to leave great clubs like Hibs to go down the leagues in England for big salaries. I doubt we could even compete with Fleetwood Town financially. Can't blame them as I'd probably do the same.

[allezsauzee]

Cummings left Hibs a year too early imo. He would have improved massively, like SJM with a season in the top flight.

It's a shame there is such a huge gulf financially between Scotland's top flight and England's third tier because I suspect that we became a great fit in managing Dylan's injury (albeit he visited a specialist independently) and getting the most out of him

I thought Jase was at a similar level in this third season in the Championship as he was in his first so I have difficulty in imagining him making a great leap in another season with us. McGinn on the other hand looked much better as each season progressed.

[J-C]

Strikers who can only play in a 2 these days are always going to struggle. They're too tactically inflexible and unless they're absolutely out of this world, they're always going to struggle to get managers to restructure their team

This


The modern day striker is different to big guy, wee guy up top. Just look at Rashford, Sterling, Mane, Salah, Ronaldo, Messi etc. They're a bit of everything, winger, striker, attacking midfielder.

[MrRobot]

Would take McGeouch back in a heartbeat but sadly I think Cummings is being found out as a poor footballer. Dont see why people want him top return to Hibs.

[JohnM1875]

Would take McGeouch back in a heartbeat but sadly I think Cummings is being found out as a poor footballer. Dont see why people want him top return to Hibs.

Probably the 70 odd goals? The boys still only 23.

[Jones28]

I thought Jase was at a similar level in this third season in the Championship as he was in his first so I have difficulty in imagining him making a great leap in another season with us. McGinn on the other hand looked much better as each season progressed.

You'd be right, his goals read as 18, 18, 19 for the three championship seasons.

[Winston Ingram]

This


The modern day striker is different to big guy, wee guy up top. Just look at Rashford, Sterling, Mane, Salah, Ronaldo, Messi etc. They're a bit of everything, winger, striker, attacking midfielder.

Cummings isn't great at all back to goal and is too predictable. Great left foot but his right is shocking. Good defenders just show him onto is right and he's lost.

[NAE NOOKIE]

I would have Dylan back in a heartbeat, it says enough about him that when he was at Hibs not everybody agreed that SJM was the best player in the team with quite a few giving that accolade to McGeouch.

As for Jason. There seems to have been little or no progress in his career since he left, there's little doubt that a full season in the Scottish premiership would have made him better prepared for a move. As it is I cant see a great deal of demand for his services once his Forest contract expires and I would be extremely surprised if they offered him a new one. We know what he can do, but the question to be asked is would he improve us if he came back and the answer to that at the moment has to be no.

[MrRobot]

Probably the 70 odd goals? The boys still only 23.

At championship level, aiming for 3rd place in the SPL should see us setting our sights higher.

[blackpoolhibs]

At championship level, aiming for 3rd place in the SPL should see us setting our sights higher.

That's how i see it too, mainly based on watching him for us and him playing in the SPL for the huns, where he couldn't get in their side, as he's not getting in a good Luton side who create lots of goals too.

He does score goals in the championship in Scotland, but i think he'd struggle to score enough goals in the SPL with us, and of course he'd have to contribute more than goals too.

I don't think his overall game is good enough for us where we are and where we want to be.


I'd take Dylan back in a shot.

[Col2]

Omeonga (as close to SJM as we have seen) and McGeough with Scott Allan attacking midfield and Mallan as back up.

Would be a dream midfield.

[CapitalGreen]

At championship level, aiming for 3rd place in the SPL should see us setting our sights higher.

Cummings was involved in a goal every 121 mins while on loan at Rangers last season. His game time was limited as Rangers on play one up top and Morelos has been performing really well.

For comparison, Morelos (arguably the best striker in the league this season) has been involved in a goal every 120 mins.

[BILLYHIBS]

Cummings was involved in a goal every 121 mins while on loan at Rangers last season. His game time was limited as Rangers on play one up top and Morelos has been performing really well.

For comparison, Morelos (arguably the best striker in the league this season) has been involved in a goal every 120 mins.

How many times has he been involved in a sending off ? :greengrin

[NAE NOOKIE]

At championship level, aiming for 3rd place in the SPL should see us setting our sights higher.

Cummings had shown on several very happy occasions that he was more than capable of breaching the defences of non championship clubs as Hearts and The Rangers know only too well. What he needed was a full season in the Premiership to prove to not only us but himself that he could do it on a regular basis … If he had done that he would have been far better prepared to make it at Forest and we probably would have got far more money for him.

[J-C]

Cummings had shown on several very happy occasions that he was more than capable of breaching the defences of non championship clubs as Hearts and The Rangers know only too well. What he needed was a full season in the Premiership to prove to not only us but himself that he could do it on a regular basis … If he had done that he would have been far better prepared to make it at Forest and we probably would have got far more money for him.

Money came 1st, hence the low release clause.

[SJNB Hibby]

I would have Dylan back in a heartbeat, it says enough about him that when he was at Hibs not everybody agreed that SJM was the best player in the team with quite a few giving that accolade to McGeouch.

As for Jason. There seems to have been little or no progress in his career since he left, there's little doubt that a full season in the Scottish premiership would have made him better prepared for a move. As it is I cant see a great deal of demand for his services once his Forest contract expires and I would be extremely surprised if they offered him a new one. We know what he can do, but the question to be asked is would he improve us if he came back and the answer to that at the moment has to be no.

How many teams has he played for in the less than 2 seasoms since he left us? 4? Huns, Forest, Peterboro and Luton. Doesnt seem like ANYBODY is impressed by him

[CapitalGreen]

How many teams has he played for in the less than 2 seasoms since he left us? 4? Huns, Forest, Peterboro and Luton. Doesnt seem like ANYBODY is impressed by him

Most Rangers fans I know wanted him back but they had a change of manager in the Summer who wanted to bring in his own players.

I haven't heard much negativity from Luton fans. He was always going to struggle to break into a league winning team where the current striker is the leagues leading scorer, however the fans seem to like what they have seen.

[jgl07]

You'd be right, his goals read as 18, 18, 19 for the three championship seasons.

They read as 3 and 7 for the two season since he left Hibs.

[jacomo]

Omeonga (as close to SJM as we have seen) and McGeough with Scott Allan attacking midfield and Mallan as back up.

Would be a dream midfield.


:agree:

Very tidy.

[jacomo]

Cummings had shown on several very happy occasions that he was more than capable of breaching the defences of non championship clubs as Hearts and The Rangers know only too well. What he needed was a full season in the Premiership to prove to not only us but himself that he could do it on a regular basis … If he had done that he would have been far better prepared to make it at Forest and we probably would have got far more money for him.


:agree:

Cummings certainly scored plenty for us v Premiership teams.

Lennon fell out with his main striker every season at Hibs. An unfortunate pattern.

I’m not clamouring for Cummings to come back but then I wasn’t clamouring for Scott Allan to return either and he proved me wrong.

[MrRobot]

Cummings was involved in a goal every 121 mins while on loan at Rangers last season. His game time was limited as Rangers on play one up top and Morelos has been performing really well.

For comparison, Morelos (arguably the best striker in the league this season) has been involved in a goal every 120 mins.

Where did you get the stats for 121 minutes per goal involvement?

[CapitalGreen]

Where did you get the stats for 121 minutes per goal involvement?

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jason-cummings/leistungsdaten/spieler/209583/saison/2017/plus/1#gesamt

Premiership: 611 mins played
Scottish Cup: 237 mins played
Total: 848 mins played

6 goals + 1 assist = 7 goal involvement

848/7 = 121.14 mins per goal involvement

[MrRobot]

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jason-cummings/leistungsdaten/spieler/209583/saison/2017/plus/1#gesamt

Premiership: 611 mins played
Scottish Cup: 237 mins played
Total: 848 mins played

6 goals + 1 assist = 7 goal involvement

848/7 = 121.14 mins per goal involvement

But within the SPL he played:
611 minutes
2 goals
No assists

So one goal every 305 minutes within the league.

[Barman Stanton]

Would love Dylan back. Someone that can control the game from the back is a huge asset. Although he was lucky at Hibs as he had McGinn and Allan in midfield beside him. I imagine the Sunderland fans expect too much from him (goals and assists). That was never really his game at Hibs. He could pick the ball up deep and allow the team to click. But you need good players around you.

[Since452]

Would love Dylan back. Someone that can control the game from the back is a huge asset. Although he was lucky at Hibs as he had McGinn and Allan in midfield beside him. I imagine the Sunderland fans expect too much from him (goals and assists). That was never really his game at Hibs. He could pick the ball up deep and allow the team to click. But you need good players around you.

I'm actually surprised nobody tried to sign that midfield three together.

[Barman Stanton]

I'm actually surprised nobody tried to sign that midfield three together.

Yeah, best midfield in my time watching Hibs. Im surprised Jack Ross didnt go for Allan. I dont imagine McGinn would have went down to League 1 though.

[CapitalGreen]

But within the SPL he played:
611 minutes
2 goals
No assists

So one goal every 305 minutes within the league.

Unless I'm mistaken Hibs set out to be successful in all 3 domestic competitions. Realistically the league is the least likely of the 3 we have a chance of winning so not sure why goals scored in the cups is suddenly worthy of being ignored.

[MrRobot]

Unless I'm mistaken Hibs set out to be successful in all 3 domestic competitions. Realistically the league is the least likely of the 3 we have a chance of winning so not sure why goals scored in the cups is suddenly worthy of being ignored.

Unless im mistaken, my point was rejecting his suitability in the SPL for us finishing 3rd.

I wouldnt like to see Hibs to sign players on big wages just cause they can get a couple goals against lower league teams when/if we play them in the cup.

[CapitalGreen]

Unless im mistaken, my point was rejecting his suitability in the SPL for us finishing 3rd.

I wouldnt like to see Hibs to sign players on big wages just cause they can get a couple goals against lower league teams when/if we play them in the cup.

What was Cummings record in big games for Hibs like?

14 goals in 20 games against teams currently in the top 6.

[Phil MaGlass]

I think Cummings could do a job for uw, he would have something to prove and still,has a few years in him.

[Barman Stanton]

Unless im mistaken, my point was rejecting his suitability in the SPL for us finishing 3rd.

I wouldnt like to see Hibs to sign players on big wages just cause they can get a couple goals against lower league teams when/if we play them in the cup.

Eh? Did he not have a great record against Premier teams while in the Championship? As much as dont actually think we should go back for him, I think a Cup Winning player deserves a bit more respect than you are giving him. Especially with his goals against Hearts in that tournament. Also had the balls to take the winning penalty in the semi and set up the first in the final.

Also is the gap between the Premier and the Championship really that big?

[Smartie]

I'm actually surprised nobody tried to sign that midfield three together.

They formed a very solid unit that in relative terms would have cost very little.

[nonshinyfinish]

I work with a Sunderland fan and he's pretty much in the same opinion about Dylan being too defensive (not sure what role he's being asked to play?).

Sunderland beaten tonight and looking like a team on the way down rather than up as they head for the playoffs, looking like another potential clash with Portsmouth at Wembley for them to be promoted.

Not read much about their finances since the whole Netfix series but you would have to wonder about their survival if they have another season outside the Championship.According to a Sunderland fan at work, their owner has just written off £200m of debt. They're still spending way too much for League One, but I don't think they're in any immediate danger of going bust.

[Smartie]

According to a Sunderland fan at work, their owner has just written off £200m of debt. They're still spending way too much for League One, but I don't think they're in any immediate danger of going bust.

They still have a few big earners that they need to shift.

I think they're in a difficult position - they need to go up for financial reasons, but their team would be absolutely horsed in the Championship with little chance of being able to improve it much.

They might be better off staying down, having another year trying to put a decent team together on a budget that might be able to stay up when they get up.

The Premier League is light years away.

Getting Dylan playing the way he can would help.

[CockneyRebel]

[QUOTE=Sir Albert of Kidd;5778396]Eh? Did he not have a great record against Premier teams while in the Championship? As much as dont actually think we should go back for him, I think a Cup Winning player deserves a bit more respect than you are giving him.Especially with his goals against Hearts in that tournament. Also had the balls to take the winning penalty in the semi and set up the first in the final.





Did that to save his face after his abysmal penalty effort during the match.

[Barman Stanton]

[QUOTE=Sir Albert of Kidd;5778396]Eh? Did he not have a great record against Premier teams while in the Championship? As much as dont actually think we should go back for him, I think a Cup Winning player deserves a bit more respect than you are giving him.Especially with his goals against Hearts in that tournament. Also had the balls to take the winning penalty in the semi and set up the first in the final.





Did that to save his face after his abysmal penalty effort during the match.

Aye, but can you imagine taking a penalty in a Scottish Cup semi after already missing. Took some guts that in my opinion.

Cummings get a lot of stick from Hibs fans. His spell at Rangers probably contributes to that. But everyone that played in that final is a legend to me.

[MrRobot]

What was Cummings record in big games for Hibs like?

14 goals in 20 games against teams currently in the top 6.

I guess the answer is 14 goals in 20 games? :greengrin


Eh? Did he not have a great record against Premier teams while in the Championship? As much as dont actually think we should go back for him, I think a Cup Winning player deserves a bit more respect than you are giving him. Especially with his goals against Hearts in that tournament. Also had the balls to take the winning penalty in the semi and set up the first in the final.

Also is the gap between the Premier and the Championship really that big?

His first penalty wasn't quite as good though :wink:

FWIW I dont dislike him or detract from him being part of the cup winning squad, what he done at Hibs previously was great and he was part of the best day of my life, but I personally dont think he is good enough for Hibs currently and where we want to be.

[MWHIBBIES]

I think he'd come back and score goals for us. He'd certainly worry Hearts every time and that's a big bonus from him.

[cmcd]

Eh? Did he not have a great record against Premier teams while in the Championship? As much as dont actually think we should go back for him, I think a Cup Winning player deserves a bit more respect than you are giving him. Especially with his goals against Hearts in that tournament. Also had the balls to take the winning penalty in the semi and set up the first in the final.

Also is the gap between the Premier and the Championship really that big?
Wouldn't have required to go to penalties if he hadn't tried to be a smart arse

[ancient hibee]

I never believed at any time that Cummings would make it in England-too much missing from his game but I think he would score plenty goals up here and would be worth a punt once he's out of contract.He went for money so don't suppose he will be in a rush to drop his income.

[eastmainsmsh]

That goal against Newcastle for forest shows his class Love to have him back