5G

[wpj]

BBC News - Huawei row: Inquiry 'being held' into National Security Council leak
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48059724

Good to see a thorough investigation of a cabinet leak by,,,,,,,another member of the cabinet

[Fife-Hibee]

BBC News - Huawei row: Inquiry 'being held' into National Security Council leak
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48059724

Good to see a thorough investigation of a cabinet leak by,,,,,,,another member of the cabinet

Never mind national security, they're completely ignorant to the effects it may pose on national health.

[Future17]

You can simply never tell where a Holy Ground thread will go...even after only one reply.

[JeMeSouviens]

BBC News - Huawei row: Inquiry 'being held' into National Security Council leak
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48059724

Good to see a thorough investigation of a cabinet leak by,,,,,,,another member of the cabinet

Sedwill is not a member of the cabinet, he's a civil servant.

According to Stephen Bush in the New Statesman, the suspects are:

Sajid Javid, Jeremy Hunt, Gavin Williamson, Penny Mordaunt and Liam Fox.


If it's Tory leadership motivated, and let's face it that accounts for 99.9% of cabinet activity atm, my money's on Javid. Although Fox is slimier than a slug's slimy bits. Hunt is almost nominally determinative, Gav has shown himself to be a bit anti-Chinese with his "lethal force" shtick and Penny is not the full shilling, so who knows ... ?

[Hibrandenburg]

Sedwill is not a member of the cabinet, he's a civil servant.

According to Stephen Bush in the New Statesman, the suspects are:

Sajid Javid, Jeremy Hunt, Gavin Williamson, Penny Mordaunt and Liam Fox.


If it's Tory leadership motivated, and let's face it that accounts for 99.9% of cabinet activity atm, my money's on Javid. Although Fox is slimier than a slug's slimy bits. Hunt is almost nominally determinative, Gav has shown himself to be a bit anti-Chinese with his "lethal force" shtick and Penny is not the full shilling, so who knows ... ?

My money would be on Gove. Reminds me of Wormtail from the Harry Potter books, snivelling wee opportunist of a man.

[beensaidbefore]

Never mind national security, they're completely ignorant to the effects it may pose on national health.

Have been reading about this for a while. Microwaving our brains potentially, but don't worry, it's only a wee bit. :confused:

https://ftwproject.com/2018/04/11/what-does-5g-do-to-your-body/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5607572/

Some interesting reading.

[Fife-Hibee]

Have been reading about this for a while. Microwaving our brains potentially, but don't worry, it's only a wee bit. :confused:

https://ftwproject.com/2018/04/11/what-does-5g-do-to-your-body/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5607572/

Some interesting reading.

The real worry is the sheer lack of studies monitoring the long term biological effects of being exposed to this level of electromagnetic radiation on a constant 24/7 basis.

The arguement from the Federal Communications Commission is that if your skin isn't burning within minutes of exposure, it somehow makes it safe on a biological level to be exposed to these frequencies on a non-stop basis.

The sheer refusal from all governments to commission any long term studies to monitor possible biological impacts shouldn't be taken lightly. The issue is being overlooked purely for economic reasons.

[Hibs98]

Have been reading about this for a while. Microwaving our brains potentially, but don't worry, it's only a wee bit. :confused:

https://ftwproject.com/2018/04/11/what-does-5g-do-to-your-body/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5607572/

Some interesting reading.
It’s all bull****. People said the same thing when microwave ovens came in and even further back when the television came in. History is littered with public health threats to modern innovation. Enjoy the progress that 5g will bring, it’s a real game changer. 4g was all about speed, 5g will pave the way for things we thought were only possible in science fiction.

[cabbageandribs1875]

It’s all bull****. People said the same thing when microwave ovens came in and even further back when the television came in. History is littered with public health threats to modern innovation. Enjoy the progress that 5g will bring, it’s a real game changer. 4g was all about speed, 5g will pave the way for things we thought were only possible in science fiction.



i'm not saying it's not, i'l keep an open mind for now, but to come out with such positivity as that can we assume you are privy to secret testing results, or even conducted in-depth tests yourself ? :confused: :)

[beensaidbefore]

The real worry is the sheer lack of studies monitoring the long term biological effects of being exposed to this level of electromagnetic radiation on a constant 24/7 basis.

The arguement from the Federal Communications Commission is that if your skin isn't burning within minutes of exposure, it somehow makes it safe on a biological level to be exposed to these frequencies on a non-stop basis.

The sheer refusal from all governments to commission any long term studies to monitor possible biological impacts shouldn't be taken lightly. The issue is being overlooked purely for economic reasons.

It is a worry tbh. As you say we won't know, probably until too late, but I really don't like the idea of micro waves constantly passing through my body. In some of the studies the effect has been to reduce reaction times and/or memory recall can be slower. Certainly not conclusive studies, but enough to get me interested enough to be doing more reading around it all. Il be interested to see what research comes out, and who has paid for it.

[beensaidbefore]

It’s all bull****. People said the same thing when microwave ovens came in and even further back when the television came in. History is littered with public health threats to modern innovation. Enjoy the progress that 5g will bring, it’s a real game changer. 4g was all about speed, 5g will pave the way for things we thought were only possible in science fiction.


How can you be so sure? Have you got any links to stuff you have been reading?

[Fife-Hibee]

It’s all bull****. People said the same thing when microwave ovens came in and even further back when the television came in. History is littered with public health threats to modern innovation. Enjoy the progress that 5g will bring, it’s a real game changer. 4g was all about speed, 5g will pave the way for things we thought were only possible in science fiction.

Microwaves have doors. 5G is more like having open microwaves in every street. 5G paving the way "for things we thought were only possible in science fiction" isn't necessarily a good thing. Science fiction can be rather grim.

[Hibbyradge]

Radio waves have been passing through our bodies for over 100 years.

We've also got TV, Bluetooth, wi-fi, radar etc etc etc.

Why is 5G so worrying?

[wpj]

As someone who is kept alive by an internal defibrillator I reckon I may survive exposure to 5G but,,,,,never say never

[Dalianwanda]

Radio waves have been passing through our bodies for over 100 years.

We've also got TV, Bluetooth, wi-fi, radar etc etc etc.

Why is 5G so worrying?

Mainly because there has been no testing 5g on the possible health implications all the other things you mention, there has.......Any radiation testing from what I can see has been done on 3g & 4g not 5g..So people have a right to be concerned when theres no information made available.

[Fife-Hibee]

Radio waves have been passing through our bodies for over 100 years.

We've also got TV, Bluetooth, wi-fi, radar etc etc etc.

Why is 5G so worrying?

Over 100 years, yet it still can't be proven that the steady increase in exposure over this time hasn't been linked to higher cancer rates and other biological complications associated with radiation poisoning.

5G isn't like standard radio waves. The data transfer rate is far greater than anything we've used before. The greater the data volume, the more condensed the particles are. The more condensed the particles are, the more charged they become. The more charged the become, the hotter they get.

It may be nowhere near hot enough to cause damage in the short term, but being constantly exposed to it 24/7 is something that needs to be looked into. But it isn't.

[Fife-Hibee]

As someone who is kept alive by an internal defibrillator I reckon I may survive exposure to 5G but,,,,,never say never

People are kept alive by radiotherapy as well. Radiation destroys everything, good and bad. It's just a question of what it destroys more of first.

[JeMeSouviens]

Sedwill is not a member of the cabinet, he's a civil servant.

According to Stephen Bush in the New Statesman, the suspects are:

Sajid Javid, Jeremy Hunt, Gavin Williamson, Penny Mordaunt and Liam Fox.


If it's Tory leadership motivated, and let's face it that accounts for 99.9% of cabinet activity atm, my money's on Javid. Although Fox is slimier than a slug's slimy bits. Hunt is almost nominally determinative, Gav has shown himself to be a bit anti-Chinese with his "lethal force" shtick and Penny is not the full shilling, so who knows ... ?

It was Gav! Sacked. :cb

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48126974

Gavin Williamson has been sacked as defence secretary following an inquiry into a leak from a top-level National Security Council meeting.

Downing Street said the PM had "lost confidence in his ability to serve" and Penny Mordaunt will take on the role.
The inquiry followed reports over a plan to allow Huawei limited access to help build the UK's new 5G network.
Mr Williamson, who has been defence secretary since 2017, "strenuously" denies leaking the information



iirc he blamed david lidington for the leak, even though liddington wasn't even at the meeting, sneaky snake :greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

I'm looking forward to 5g, I'm ahead of the game for iPhone users, I've already got a Huawei phone 😉 it only takes a few minutes to boil a cup of coffee 😁

[The_Exile]

Microwaves have doors. 5G is more like having open microwaves in every street. 5G paving the way "for things we thought were only possible in science fiction" isn't necessarily a good thing. Science fiction can be rather grim.

Microwaves also require over 1000 watts of power to cook yer tea or fry yer brain, so it's not "more like" having an open microwave in every street :LOL:. You don't seem to understand the difference between ionising and non-ionising radiation. 5G will not harm a single human being anywhere on the planet, and in fact, much higher frequency comms have been used for quite a while without any ill effects.

[JeMeSouviens]

It’s all bull****. People said the same thing when microwave ovens came in and even further back when the television came in. History is littered with public health threats to modern innovation. Enjoy the progress that 5g will bring, it’s a real game changer. 4g was all about speed, 5g will pave the way for things we thought were only possible in science fiction.

5G is all about speed as well though?

[Fife-Hibee]

Microwaves also require over 1000 watts of power to cook yer tea or fry yer brain, so it's not "more like" having an open microwave in every street :LOL:. You don't seem to understand the difference between ionising and non-ionising radiation. 5G will not harm a single human being anywhere on the planet, and in fact, much higher frequency comms have been used for quite a while without any ill effects.

Of course I know the difference. However, the idea that it's safe, because you don't feel it is nonsensical. The arguement for it's safety is that is doesn't penetrate deep into the skin tissues. But it doesn't need to. Your mouth, your nose, your eyes your ears. These are all entry points. In fact, non-ionising radiation is commonly linked with damage to the eyes.

The higher frequency comms that you refer to are not frequencies that people are exposed to 24/7. 5G is constant. There's no getting away from it if you experience any ill effects.

[Gloucester Hibs]

Who is clamouring for 5G? 4G already gives me a faster data transfer rate than my Sky Broadband. Where is the demand within the general public? Seems like it’s being imposed upon us?

[lapsedhibee]

Who is clamouring for 5G? 4G already gives me a faster data transfer rate than my Sky Broadband. Where is the demand within the general public? Seems like it’s being imposed upon us?
Referendum!

[JeMeSouviens]

Who is clamouring for 5G? 4G already gives me a faster data transfer rate than my Sky Broadband. Where is the demand within the general public? Seems like it’s being imposed upon us?

It's infrastructure. It's supposed to be there to meet predicted demands. The predictions are for a proliferation of smart devices, not necessarily that individual devices will need more bandwidth.

[Gloucester Hibs]

It's infrastructure. It's supposed to be there to meet predicted demands. The predictions are for a proliferation of smart devices, not necessarily that individual devices will need more bandwidth.

Cheers. So they’re anticipating not only an increase, but presumably also a more diverse range of devices having access to mobile data, kind of makes sense.

[Fife-Hibee]

Who is clamouring for 5G? 4G already gives me a faster data transfer rate than my Sky Broadband. Where is the demand within the general public? Seems like it’s being imposed upon us?

It's not just about the speed. 5G is different from 4G. It will ultimately be used to track everything that people do. Things like what you say in the "comfort" of your own home and how many times you use your toaster each day. Microphones and cameras built into TVs and other devices will become increasingly more common. Your home appliances will be connected to the network (with no option to truly disconnect).

It will be sold to us as "convenience and greater control". But in reality, it will be used to monitor what we do for "our own security" and to bombard us with tailor-made adverts based on the behaviours that are monitored.

[JeMeSouviens]

It's not just about the speed. 5G is different from 4G. It will ultimately be used to track everything that people do. Things like what you say in the "comfort" of your own home and how many times you use your toaster each day. Microphones and cameras built into TVs and other devices will become increasingly more common. Your home appliances will be connected to the network (with no option to truly disconnect).

It will be sold to us as "convenience and greater control". But in reality, it will be used to monitor what we do for "our own security" and to bombard us with tailor-made adverts based on the behaviours that are monitored.

That has nothing to do with 5G vs 4G. You can do exactly the same things on 4G as 5G, it just scales everything up.

[Fife-Hibee]

That has nothing to do with 5G vs 4G. You can do exactly the same things on 4G as 5G, it just scales everything up.

4G has it's limitations. You can't connect everything to a 4G network. It's reserved for certain devices only. 5G is a whole different ball game. The wavelength of 5G is extremely short, which means 5G transmitters will need to be built into every street.

If 5G wasn't all that different from 4G, then why would governments go to all of the cost and hastle of installing these transmitters everywhere? Yes, it's the telecommunication companies that set these transmitters up, but only on the back of huge government subsidies.

5G is not just a faster version of 4G. It will be used to collect data on a scale never witnessed before.

[JeMeSouviens]

4G has it's limitations. You can't connect everything to a 4G network. It's reserved for certain devices only. 5G is a whole different ball game. The wavelength of 5G is extremely short, which means 5G transmitters will need to be built into every street.

If 5G wasn't all that different from 4G, then why would governments go to all of the cost and hastle of installing these transmitters everywhere? Yes, it's the telecommunication companies that set these transmitters up, but only on the back of huge government subsidies.

5G is not just a faster version of 4G. It will be used to collect data on a scale never witnessed before.

Well it's not just faster, it has different power characteristics and latency and so on. But the essential difference is capacity.

It's like moving from single track roads to a motorway. Sure you can run a lot more and a lot faster vehicles on the motorway. But what the cars can do are properties of the car, not the road.

This is a rare instance where I do actually know what I'm talking about. I'm currently working on software for devices to be used as part of the US (and possibly eventually here I suppose) 5G rollout.

[Fife-Hibee]

Well it's not just faster, it has different power characteristics and latency and so on. But the essential difference is capacity.

It's like moving from single track roads to a motorway. Sure you can run a lot more and a lot faster vehicles on the motorway. But what the cars can do are properties of the car, not the road.

This is a rare instance where I do actually know what I'm talking about. I'm currently working on software for devices to be used as part of the US (and possibly eventually here I suppose) 5G rollout.

If that's the case. Then what's your view on these 5G transmitters that are installed in the US with cameras connected to them? They claim the cameras are to "protect the transmitters". But it doesn't change the fact that every street that is having these transmitters installed are under active surveillance with zero consent from residents.

[JeMeSouviens]

If that's the case. Then what's your view on these 5G transmitters that are installed in the US with cameras connected to them? They claim the cameras are to "protect the transmitters". But it doesn't change the fact that every street that is having these transmitters installed are under active surveillance with zero consent from residents.

Again, that's nothing specifically to do with 5G tech. There are a ton of 4G enabled surveillance cameras already out there. You could equally well attach them to lampposts or whatever.

[Fife-Hibee]

Again, that's nothing specifically to do with 5G tech. There are a ton of 4G enabled surveillance cameras already out there. You could equally well attach them to lampposts or whatever.

That's true. However, they didn't have the excuse before to do so. They now have the excuse of "protecting the transmitters" which to them, is a green light to install surveilance cameras into every street.

It's a level of security that society doesn't require and i'm sure if most people had a grasp on what was going on here, they would rebel against it. Sadly, most people aren't remotely aware of this and just see 5G as a basic upgrade to 4G which it isn't.

[lord bunberry]

I was watching a tv show about what is possible with 5g. Personally I think it will be a long time before the potential is realised. Things like household appliances being smart devices doesn’t really appeal to me, but maybe I’m just getting old. I saw that you will be able to order things from your fridge when you run out. I just do a weekly shop :greengrin

[Smartie]

I was watching a tv show about what is possible with 5g. Personally I think it will be a long time before the potential is realised. Things like household appliances being smart devices doesn’t really appeal to me, but maybe I’m just getting old. I saw that you will be able to order things from your fridge when you run out. I just do a weekly shop :greengrin

It's funny how you adapt and grow to like things though.

I remember when the self-serve checkouts were put in supermarkets I absolutely hated them, before adapting to quite liking them.

Now I do our "big shop" online and get it delivered.

Your habits just change over time.

[Fife-Hibee]

It's funny how you adapt and grow to like things though.

I remember when the self-serve checkouts were put in supermarkets I absolutely hated them, before adapting to quite liking them.

Now I do our "big shop" online and get it delivered.

Your habits just change over time.

I still hate those self serving checkouts. :grr:

[wpj]

I still hate those self serving checkouts. :grr:

Yep, the assistant will be with you shortly, except they are busy with a queue who hate the self service. Plus they put people out of jobs. I kinda get that is the point but it's not like there were no profits back when they were introduced.

[Hibrandenburg]

I was watching a tv show about what is possible with 5g. Personally I think it will be a long time before the potential is realised. Things like household appliances being smart devices doesn’t really appeal to me, but maybe I’m just getting old. I saw that you will be able to order things from your fridge when you run out. I just do a weekly shop :greengrin

Me and the Mrs are both technophiles. I love our little gadgets like Wi-Fi plug sockets that switch on our lights when we're not home or the sprinkler system that waters our garden when needed and the robot lawnmower. Can't wait to see what tomorrow brings :greengrin

[lord bunberry]

It's funny how you adapt and grow to like things though.

I remember when the self-serve checkouts were put in supermarkets I absolutely hated them, before adapting to quite liking them.

Now I do our "big shop" online and get it delivered.

Your habits just change over time.
You’re probably right.