Police incident - West End

[AugustaHibs]

Reading reports of someone with a gunshot wound to the head on Chester street at the west end. Being reported on BBC

[Smartie]

Bloody hell.

I'm about 5 minutes from there and just thinking about heading home from work.

[BroxburnHibee]

Few rumours flying around but can we please avoid speculating about whoever the victim might be please.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-47970758

[Hibee87]

Few rumours flying around but can we please avoid speculating about whoever the victim might be please.

What rumours? Someone known named? All I've seen and read is the police are not commenting on anything at this time.

[HNA11]

What rumours? Someone known named? All I've seen and read is the police are not commenting on anything at this time.

There was a name mentioned on another thread that has since been deleted.

Until anything official is confirmed no names are to be posted on here.

[calumhibee1]

Mental.

Hope whoever it is is alright. Would have to presume it’s gang related.

[The 90+2]

Rip.

[CallumLaidlaw]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/breaking-trainspotting-2-star-named-14388722


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[AugustaHibs]

Rip.

Is this confirmed?

[bringbackbenny]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/breaking-trainspotting-2-star-named-14388722


Named in the story.

[James310]

I thought he had moved on from his past life. Hope he pulls through.

[The 90+2]

Is this confirmed?

I wouldn’t like to confirm it but I’ve had it confirmed to me before the story broke. I really hope not.

[frazeHFC]

Name was flying about on Twitter so unsure if the Daily Record have just grabbed it from there. Either way a lot of people saying it's him.

[Hibeesmad]

There was a name mentioned on another thread that has since been deleted.

Until anything official is confirmed no names are to be posted on here.

If only the Daily Record would show the same respect

[frazeHFC]

If only the Daily Record would show the same respect

Has really annoyed me. Imagine being a family member or friend and you find out cause that rag is trying to make a few extra quid. No respect whatsoever.

[Pretty Boy]

It's obviously a big story locally and a name is now out there. Can we all just bear in mind that friends and family could come across this thread so please be careful about what is being posted and can we avoid posting speculation and rumours.

[CallumLaidlaw]

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[Scouse Hibee]

Whoever it is, horrendous to hear of a shooting in the street so close to home.

[The 90+2]

If only the Daily Record would show the same respect

That Edinburgh Live website will hopefully be sued and shut down for the disgusting videos they posted of family members. Utterly sick. Good few people I know devastated at this.

[matty_f]

Police have confirmed the victim died at the scene. RIP.

[Hibeesmad]

That Edinburgh Live website will hopefully be sued and shut down for the disgusting videos they posted of family members. Utterly sick. Good few people I know devastated at this.

Disgraceful mate. Horrible news, thoughts and prayers to all affected.

[The 90+2]

Disgraceful mate. Horrible news, thoughts and prayers to all affected.

Me too. Wish it wasn’t true. Spent since half time at the football tonight hoping it wasn’t.

[cabbageandribs1875]

hope they catch/have caught the coward that had to use a firearm to take someones life, so sad

[Sir David Gray]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6934147/Trainspotting-2-star-dies-shot-head-Edinburgh-street.html?fbclid=IwAR0uPJKFPh7Vtz4hK2T-XadV4eQVi70sZ9GnrklETGF6UIeTY0ns6f6DNKk&fbclid=IwAR2o3_CtFS_eqLd8N9Ap_z9zPU0yb_frNO6a_m_Ia D9IPG1SjIINjxrtCaE

[cabbageandribs1875]

"Executed by order" by glasgow hoods the sun paper are running with, single shot to the back of the head


******* coward

[Ozyhibby]

"Executed by order" by glasgow hoods the sun paper are running with, single shot to the back of the head


******* coward

Why would anyone pay for an execution of a gym owner and charity worker?


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[Pretty Boy]

Whilst the person who pulled the trigger may well be caught it's unlikely the person ultimately responsible will see the inside of a jail anytime soon.

[Scouse Hibee]

Why would anyone pay for an execution of a gym owner and charity worker?


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Several stories in papers alluding to why, if true and that’s a big “if” it would contravene all the good he was trying to do!

[JeMeSouviens]

Several stories in papers alluding to why, if true and that’s a big “if” it would contravene all the good he was trying to do!

The Daily Record's version (yeah, yeah, I know) quotes police sources as saying Welsh wasn't involved in criminality but was killed as a warning to friends of his who are. But you're right, anything coming out just now is big "if"s so who knows?

[Allant1981]

The Daily Record's version (yeah, yeah, I know) quotes police sources as saying Welsh wasn't involved in criminality but was killed as a warning to friends of his who are. But you're right, anything coming out just now is big "if"s so who knows?

Mental if true,get killed just so someone else takes notice, unfortunately if you run in these circles thats the chance you take I suppose. Glad I lead a pretty boring life

[Besties Debut]

It’s strange how these sort of guys always create such an outpouring of grief when they die. I’m thinking about the thousands of complete strangers who lined the route of Ronnie Krays funeral cortège and the hundreds of tributes on here and the bounce for a man who 99% of the posters will never have even spoken too. What is it about the public mentality that causes such collective admiration for those involved in criminality.

[FilipinoHibs]

Several stories in papers alluding to why, if true and that’s a big “if” it would contravene all the good he was trying to do!

Owning or renting a flat in Chester St does not fit with the income from a gym where many people get free use.

[Moulin Yarns]

It’s strange how these sort of guys always create such an outpouring of grief when they die. I’m thinking about the thousands of complete strangers who lined the route of Ronnie Krays funeral cortège and the hundreds of tributes on here and the bounce for a man who 99% of the posters will never have even spoken too. What is it about the public mentality that causes such collective admiration for those involved in criminality.

You are like a dog with a particularly juicy bone.

You are either spreading unsubstanciated rumours for personal reasons or know less than others, but want to be 'ITK'

[Marvellous]

Owning or renting a flat in Chester St does not fit with the income from a gym where many people get free use.

Was the gym the only legitimate business he had? And how do you know how much it made?

[Moulin Yarns]

Owning or renting a flat in Chester St does not fit with the income from a gym where many people get free use.

I grew up round the corner in a basement flat in Lyndoch Place. My mum was a housekeeper, and the flat went with the job. Who is to say what the circumstances of his living in Chester Street was?

[leggeto]

It’s strange how these sort of guys always create such an outpouring of grief when they die. I’m thinking about the thousands of complete strangers who lined the route of Ronnie Krays funeral cortège and the hundreds of tributes on here and the bounce for a man who 99% of the posters will never have even spoken too. What is it about the public mentality that causes such collective admiration for those involved in criminality.

The stuff we that we know are fact is he done loads of unselfish work in the community for those less fortunate and the reason he was killed is all pure speculation.
He has been to more games that most on this forum put together probably and hibs through and through.
A minutes applause would be most welcome for the majority I think

[Besties Debut]

You are like a dog with a particularly juicy bone.

You are either spreading unsubstanciated rumours for personal reasons or know less than others, but want to be 'ITK' Yeah, whatever son
By the way what’s ITK? Is that a trendy new internet thing that all you kids are using

[bigwheel]

It’s strange how these sort of guys always create such an outpouring of grief when they die. I’m thinking about the thousands of complete strangers who lined the route of Ronnie Krays funeral cortège and the hundreds of tributes on here and the bounce for a man who 99% of the posters will never have even spoken too. What is it about the public mentality that causes such collective admiration for those involved in criminality.

In this case it’s because people that knew him know what a likeable and supportive guy he was ...and the fact he positively touched many peoples lives.

[Smartie]

Owning a business can lead to surprising levels of income.

Some businesses can surprise you with the high profit they generate, some can surprise you with how little they generate.

Renting a flat at the West End might be on the expensive side but not unrealistic. We're not talking about a mansion in Beverly Hills here.

It's perfectly reasonable that an Edinburgh businessman might be able to live there without it having to be propped up by shady undisclosed income.

[overdrive]

Owning a business can lead to surprising levels of income.

Some businesses can surprise you with the high profit they generate, some can surprise you with how little they generate.

Renting a flat at the West End might be on the expensive side but not unrealistic. We're not talking about a mansion in Beverly Hills here.

It's perfectly reasonable that an Edinburgh businessman might be able to live there without it having to be propped up by shady undisclosed income.

Or his partner’s income.

[bawheid]

My mate rents a one bedroom flat on Chester Street and he’s certainly not rich. Unless he’s some underworld king pin that I know nothing about on the side.

[green day]

Whilst the person who pulled the trigger may well be caught it's unlikely the person ultimately responsible will see the inside of a jail anytime soon.

I think even this is unlikely.

For something like this, they probably brought in someone from down south who can disappear afterwards.

[Moulin Yarns]

Owning a business can lead to surprising levels of income.

Some businesses can surprise you with the high profit they generate, some can surprise you with how little they generate.

Renting a flat at the West End might be on the expensive side but not unrealistic. We're not talking about a mansion in Beverly Hills here.

It's perfectly reasonable that an Edinburgh businessman might be able to live there without it having to be propped up by shady undisclosed income.

New homes at Straiton (Cala) are more than the cost of a basement flat in Chester Street. Are they only available to criminals? That seems to be the view of some posters.

[Ozyhibby]

New homes at Straiton (Cala) are more than the cost of a basement flat in Chester Street. Are they only available to criminals? That seems to be the view of some posters.

I think the manner of his death rather than where he lives is a bigger indication of some sort of criminal involvement. Like most have said, it is not that expensive a flat.



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[CraigHibee]

Was the gym the only legitimate business he had? And how do you know how much it made?

police say he had other business interests outside of the gym

[Besties Debut]

Some of the folk on this thread are so naive its unbelievable and thats from somebody who has known Brad and Sean for over 30 years.

[calumhibee1]

I think even this is unlikely.

For something like this, they probably brought in someone from down south who can disappear afterwards.

Likewise. I have a feeling this is going to end up an unsolved case.

[murray26]

Some of the folk on this thread are so naive its unbelievable and thats from somebody who has known Brad and Sean for over 30 years.

Are you a policeman..?

[Moulin Yarns]

Sitting having a bite of lunch in the garden and there are several gunshots ringing around.

The joy of living in the countryside.

Can only be rabbits or roebuck at this time.

[Scouse Hibee]

Some of the folk on this thread are so naive its unbelievable and thats from somebody who has known Brad and Sean for over 30 years.

No one is naive regarding this, if you think that you are a bigger fool than you are making others out to be.😂

[Smartie]

Some of the folk on this thread are so naive its unbelievable and thats from somebody who has known Brad and Sean for over 30 years.

There's naivety then there's the willingness to see the good in someone at a difficult time.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Yeah, whatever son
By the way what’s ITK? Is that a trendy new internet thing that all you kids are using

Patronising much?

[DetroitHibs]

I think many members here are fully aware that you don’t generally get shot in the head in broad daylight, unless your in to something dodgy. I think it’s natural for people to speculate and wonder why there was a hit in broad daylight in Edinburgh is natural. If he wasn’t associated with Hibs, there would be all kinds of wild speculation and discussions why a man was gunned down in Edinburgh city center.

[Marvellous]

I think many members here are fully aware that you don’t generally get shot in the head in broad daylight, unless your in to something dodgy. I think it’s natural for people to speculate and wonder why there was a hit in broad daylight in Edinburgh is natural. If he wasn’t associated with Hibs, there would be all kinds of wild speculation and discussions why a man was gunned down in Edinburgh city center.

There's a difference between being curious and posting innuendo about someone who has just been murdered, hours after that person has been murdered, in a place where his friends and family will be posting tributes to him.

[bigwheel]

There's a difference between being curious and posting innuendo about someone who has just been murdered, hours after that person has been murdered, in a place where his friends and family will be posting tributes to him.

:top marks

[Allant1981]

There's a difference between being curious and posting innuendo about someone who has just been murdered, hours after that person has been murdered, in a place where his friends and family will be posting tributes to him.

It's a big story though and there will always be speculation as to what happened, unfortunately for the guys family

[Pretty Boy]

I think most people on here are either Edinburgh residents or regular visitors to the city. In our lifetime how many incidents like this can you remember? The last I can recall is the Marmion shooting which was about 15 years ago. I'm sure there may have been another in that time but I can't recall.

It's a huge story locally and the nature of it means there is always going to be speculation and rumour. That doesn't mean it's a free for all for people to say what they like though. The RIP thread has had to be closed because people, from both sides of the argument, were determined to keep bickering rather than respect the purpose of the thread.

There's no desire to censor discussion unless we absolutely have to but please try and keep things civil and show a level of respect.

[James310]

There was a Somalian gang shooting a few years back with a sub machine gun. Apparently they control the drugs in and around Edinburgh.

Found this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-27831474

[silverhibee]

I think most people on here are either Edinburgh residents or regular visitors to the city. In our lifetime how many incidents like this can you remember? The last I can recall is the Marmion shooting which was about 15 years ago. I'm sure there may have been another in that time but I can't recall.

It's a huge story locally and the nature of it means there is always going to be speculation and rumour. That doesn't mean it's a free for all for people to say what they like though. The RIP thread has had to be closed because people, from both sides of the argument, were determined to keep bickering rather than respect the purpose of the thread.

There's no desire to censor discussion unless we absolutely have to but please try and keep things civil and show a level of respect.


Not resulting in death but there has been a fair few shootings in Edinburgh, won't mention names but a few have been lucky that have had bullet proof vests on, shots been fired in to houses where kids have been, certainly can't think of a professional hit like this though, maybe one in leith about 30 years ago.

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[James310]

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Arrested and then released. Probably can only hold him for a set amount of time and if they don't have concrete evidence then they have to release him. Hopefully however it leads on to other things.

[ancient hibee]

Perhaps he’s just a time waster not a suspect.

[Steve-O]

28 year old charged with murder, and 2 x attempted murder a month prior.

[makaveli1875]

28 year old charged with murder, and 2 x attempted murder a month prior.

Guy named on STV as Sean Orman 28 from Addiewell

[calumhibee1]

Guy named on STV as Sean Orman 28 from Addiewell

Wonder if he was one of the original men arrested?

[Killiehibbie]

Guy named on STV as Sean Orman 28 from Addiewellmust've made some new friends or got into a lot of debt during his last sentence.

[kevinc]

Wonder if he was one of the original men arrested?
He was

[Rattler]

Guy named on STV as Sean Orman 28 from Addiewell

Interesting slant - not “from” Addiewell, more his current abode 😉

[Rattler]

He was

He wasn’t!

Not reported in national press or online, unless you know otherwise 🤷🏻*♂️

[Slim Shady]

He wasn’t!

Not reported in national press or online, unless you know otherwise 🤷🏻*♂️

He was the first arrested, released by police then recalled to prison as he had breached his license conditions.

He was out on two years supervision and managed to commit an attempted murder and murder!!

[Scouse Hibee]

He was the first arrested, released by police then recalled to prison as he had breached his license conditions.

He was out on two years supervision and managed to commit an attempted murder and murder!!

Which makes sense of why he was reported as being from Addiewell.

[kevinc]

He wasn’t!

Not reported in national press or online, unless you know otherwise ����*♂️

He was, otherwise I wouldn’t have said he was. Doesn’t have to be reported in the press or online for people to know otherwise , I’ll give the exclamation marks and emojis a miss, not required.

[Rattler]

He was, otherwise I wouldn’t have said he was. Doesn’t have to be reported in the press or online for people to know otherwise , I’ll give the exclamation marks and emojis a miss, not required.

Make you feel really good Kevinc with your condescending comments? Never mind, I’m glad that you’re so ITK to pass on this information and that I know nothing...apparently.

You’ll also no doubt be aware of today’s events?

[oldbutdim]

You’ll also no doubt be aware of today’s events?

:confused:

Go on go on go on..............

[kevinc]

Make you feel really good Kevinc with your condescending comments? Never mind, I’m glad that you’re so ITK to pass on this information and that I know nothing...apparently.

You’ll also no doubt be aware of today’s events?

Not at all, I responded to another poster who asked if it was one of the original people arrested, I knew it was so said so. It was your incorrect assertion that it wasn't that person to which you provided a condescending, incorrect response. Grow up, why would anyone feel good about knowing detail about who was arrested for a murder and I didn't state that you knew nothing, not interested in what you do or don't know. No idea what you are referring to re today's events.