Israel at it again

[andybev1]

Really is the most disgusting country. Remember for the hard of thinking The religion is not the nation as much as they would like people to think.

https://israelpalestinenews.org/without-explanation-israel-tears-down-new-palestinian-school-in-jerusalem/?fbclid=IwAR060mx7tvsWuGE5fvy2-TGgn6SrJptvQwolpGc6jtCCMBJodSM-749Dg7A

On March 19th, with no advance warning, Israel evacuated a Palestinian school in Shaufat, Occupied East Jerusalem, then demolished it. The school’s principal reports that no official reason has been given.
article reposted from Telesur

video reposted from Middle East Monitor

A Palestinian-owned school building that was under construction, in the Shuafat refugee camp, in occupied East Jerusalem was demolished by Israeli forces’ bulldozers Tuesday.

Eyewitnesses recount dozens of Israeli occupation forces escorting the bulldozers into the refugee camp, while others closed off traffic at the checkpoint near the school.

The Israeli forces then, reportedly, surrounded the al-Razi School from rooftops of nearby buildings while students and faculty were evacuated prior to the demolition. According to multiple witnesses, there were drones observed flying above the two-story school building and rubber-coated steel bullets fired on locals in the camp.

The owner of the demolished school building, Muhammad Alqam, insists that he issued all necessary permits at the Israeli Jerusalem Municipality before beginning construction. Alqam was assured that the area belonged to the United Nations Agency for Palestinian Refugees (UNRWA).

There was no prior notice of the demolition before it took place, says Saleh Alqam, principal of the al-Razi school and an official reason for the demolition is yet to be confirmed.

Despite the requisite preparations being carried out, the demolition order was issued, in November, by Israeli authorities.

The United Nations has consistently condemned Israel for the practice of illegal demolition, since 2015.

The al-Razi School had registered about 400 kindergarten and elementary students for the upcoming school year for the new building.

[Dalianwanda]

How they just seem to get away with it is sickening...

[Ozyhibby]

They get away with it because countries like ours turn a blind eye.


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[matty_f]

They get away with it because countries like ours turn a blind eye.


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Or when folk call them out they get labelled as anti-semetic.

[Fife-Hibee]

Makes you wonder just how much influence the Israeli state has in western media. The flaw of equating criticism of Israel's actions with anti-semitism never gets mentioned. What does get mentioned (and stuck on repeat) is that any opposition to zionist ideology makes you some sort of nazi apologist.

How long is this issue going to be ignored?

[Slavers]

Makes you wonder just how much influence the Israeli state has in western media. The flaw of equating criticism of Israel's actions with anti-semitism never gets mentioned. What does get mentioned (and stuck on repeat) is that any opposition to zionist ideology makes you some sort of nazi apologist.

How long is this issue going to be ignored?

They have complete control of western media and the banking system.

[Pretty Boy]

They have complete control of western media and the banking system.

They don't. It's comments like that which allow criticism of Israel to be equated to anti semitism.

Israel has a strategic importance to the western powers and, certainly in the case of the US, Jewish political lobby groups hold considerable influence. They are also a key voting demographic.

That's not an endorsement of US and UK policy on Israel and Palestine; it's a political explanation rather than 'the Jews control the banks and media'.

[Slavers]

They don't. It's comments like that which allow criticism of Israel to be equated to anti semitism.

Israel has a strategic importance to the western powers and, certainly in the case of the US, Jewish political lobby groups hold considerable influence. They are also a key voting demographic.

That's not an endorsement of US and UK policy on Israel and Palestine; it's a political explanation rather than 'the Jews control the banks and media'.

Ok then they have no influence on western banks and the media I'm wrong your right.

[Pretty Boy]

Ok then they have no influence on western banks and the media I'm wrong your right.

It was complete control a minute ago, now it's 'influence'. Which is it? Is their influence more or less than other groups? Is it specifically Jewish influence or does the political influence of Israel include the minority Arab Israeli population and politicians? Are they part of the same Satanist Illuminati in the thrall of the Baphomet that you have referenced on here before? Can we assume there is an inevitable link to the Rothschilds?

[One Day Soon]

Or when folk call them out they get labelled as anti-semetic.


People tend to be labelled as anti-semitic in this context for one of three reasons:

1. Their comments are actually anti-semitic and make anti-semitic statements
or
2. Their comments wrongly conflate the state and government of Israel and its actions with Jews generally
or
3. Their comments are not anti-semitic but they are accused of this by others to avoid engaging properly with a discussion.


I don't know how the three categories above would break down in percentage terms but these days the levels of actual anti-semitism to be seen on social media in particular are remarkably high. Hard to tell whether that's because it is on the rise, whether these people always thought this way but now feel more confident to say it in public or whether social media just gives every ouanquere a trumpet to blow.

Clearly anti-semites have a wide range of motives but those who are pro-Palestinian and indulge in this stuff really are among the worst enablers of Israeli state violence and repression. It's just handing an air shield to everything they do, beneath which Palestinian rights can be trampled.

[matty_f]

People tend to be labelled as anti-semitic in this context for one of three reasons:

1. Their comments are actually anti-semitic and make anti-semitic statements
or
2. Their comments wrongly conflate the state and government of Israel and its actions with Jews generally
or
3. Their comments are not anti-semitic but they are accused of this by others to avoid engaging properly with a discussion.


I don't know how the three categories above would break down in percentage terms but these days the levels of actual anti-semitism to be seen on social media in particular are remarkably high. Hard to tell whether that's because it is on the rise, whether these people always thought this way but now feel more confident to say it in public or whether social media just gives every ouanquere a trumpet to blow.

Clearly anti-semites have a wide range of motives but those who are pro-Palestinian and indulge in this stuff really are among the worst enablers of Israeli state violence and repression. It's just handing an air shield to everything they do, beneath which Palestinian rights can be trampled.
Good post :agree:

[Future17]

People tend to be labelled as anti-semitic in this context for one of three reasons:

1. Their comments are actually anti-semitic and make anti-semitic statements
or
2. Their comments wrongly conflate the state and government of Israel and its actions with Jews generally
or
3. Their comments are not anti-semitic but they are accused of this by others to avoid engaging properly with a discussion.


I don't know how the three categories above would break down in percentage terms but these days the levels of actual anti-semitism to be seen on social media in particular are remarkably high. Hard to tell whether that's because it is on the rise, whether these people always thought this way but now feel more confident to say it in public or whether social media just gives every ouanquere a trumpet to blow.

Clearly anti-semites have a wide range of motives but those who are pro-Palestinian and indulge in this stuff really are among the worst enablers of Israeli state violence and repression. It's just handing an air shield to everything they do, beneath which Palestinian rights can be trampled.

I was genuinely excited to be learning a new word until I realised you were just bypassing the swear filter. :greengrin

[Slavers]

It was complete control a minute ago, now it's 'influence'. Which is it? Is their influence more or less than other groups? Is it specifically Jewish influence or does the political influence of Israel include the minority Arab Israeli population and politicians? Are they part of the same Satanist Illuminati in the thrall of the Baphomet that you have referenced on here before? Can we assume there is an inevitable link to the Rothschilds?

Well how much influence is needed to control the media? Currently its seem the media is pretty well controlled.

I'm no expert but does the US federal reserve not have authority over the central banking system? Who control the Federal Reserve? How much influence do they have on world affairs?

[makaveli1875]

Well how much influence is needed to control the media? Currently its seem the media is pretty well controlled.

I'm no expert but does the US federal reserve not have authority over the central banking system? Who control the Federal Reserve? How much influence do they have on world affairs?

So your suggesting the Israeli state controls the US Federal reserve and the entire world media ?

Who pulls the strings .. Netanyahu ?

[Pretty Boy]

Well how much influence is needed to control the media? Currently its seem the media is pretty well controlled.

I'm no expert but does the US federal reserve not have authority over the central banking system? Who control the Federal Reserve? How much influence do they have on world affairs?

The current chair of the Federal reserve is Jerome Powell, a Catholic. I'm unsure of the ethnicity and religious beliefs of the rest of the board. I'm hopeful you can enlighten me though.

[Slavers]

So your suggesting the Israeli state controls the US Federal reserve and the entire world media ?

Who pulls the strings .. Netanyahu ?

The Israeli state controls america.

The federal reserve controls the currency of the USA.

I'm sure there is a connection there somewhere.

If the media is not controlled then why does it not comment on events in a balanced way?

[Slavers]

The current chair of the Federal reserve is Jerome Powell, a Catholic. I'm unsure of the ethnicity and religious beliefs of the rest of the board. I'm hopeful you can enlighten me though.

I don't know the answer to that question.

Do you know who own's the federal reserve?

[matty_f]

I don't know the answer to that question.

Do you know who own's the federal reserve?

Have you googled it?

[Pretty Boy]

The Israeli state controls america.

The federal reserve controls the currency of the USA.

I'm sure there is a connection there somewhere.

If the media is not controlled then why does it not comment on events in a balanced way?

Do Fox and Al Jazeera report World events in the same way? The Guardian and the FT? The BBC and the SBA? The idea there isn't a 'balance' in information available for those who actually want it is laughable.

As for your question about who actually 'owns' the Federal Reserve it's about as clear as mud. Again given the hints you have dropped I'm hopeful you will enlighten us.

[Slavers]

Do Fox and Al Jazeera report World events in the same way? The Guardian and the FT? The BBC and the SBA? The idea there isn't a 'balance' in information available for those who actually want it is laughable.

As for your question about who actually 'owns' the Federal Reserve it's about as clear as mud. Again given the hints you have dropped I'm hopeful you will enlighten us.

1: Balanced media - We are talking about Western Media Outlets, if you think they are balanced when reporting on the Israeli state then fair enough, many will disagree.

2: Who owns the federal reserve -

https://www.hannenabintuherland.com/europe/the-federal-reserve-cartel-the-eight-families-who-own-the-usa-the-rise-of-bis-imf-world-bank-dean-henderson-on-free21-org/

https://www.quora.com/Who-are-the-Jewish-banking-families

Simple google search gives an indication.

Feel free to comment on the links.

[judas]

Really is the most disgusting country. Remember for the hard of thinking The religion is not the nation as much as they would like people to think.

https://israelpalestinenews.org/without-explanation-israel-tears-down-new-palestinian-school-in-jerusalem/?fbclid=IwAR060mx7tvsWuGE5fvy2-TGgn6SrJptvQwolpGc6jtCCMBJodSM-749Dg7A

On March 19th, with no advance warning, Israel evacuated a Palestinian school in Shaufat, Occupied East Jerusalem, then demolished it. The school’s principal reports that no official reason has been given.
article reposted from Telesur

video reposted from Middle East Monitor

A Palestinian-owned school building that was under construction, in the Shuafat refugee camp, in occupied East Jerusalem was demolished by Israeli forces’ bulldozers Tuesday.

Eyewitnesses recount dozens of Israeli occupation forces escorting the bulldozers into the refugee camp, while others closed off traffic at the checkpoint near the school.

The Israeli forces then, reportedly, surrounded the al-Razi School from rooftops of nearby buildings while students and faculty were evacuated prior to the demolition. According to multiple witnesses, there were drones observed flying above the two-story school building and rubber-coated steel bullets fired on locals in the camp.

The owner of the demolished school building, Muhammad Alqam, insists that he issued all necessary permits at the Israeli Jerusalem Municipality before beginning construction. Alqam was assured that the area belonged to the United Nations Agency for Palestinian Refugees (UNRWA).

There was no prior notice of the demolition before it took place, says Saleh Alqam, principal of the al-Razi school and an official reason for the demolition is yet to be confirmed.

Despite the requisite preparations being carried out, the demolition order was issued, in November, by Israeli authorities.

The United Nations has consistently condemned Israel for the practice of illegal demolition, since 2015.

The al-Razi School had registered about 400 kindergarten and elementary students for the upcoming school year for the new building.

I suspect it’s nothing compared with the actions that would be undertaken by Palestinians and the surrounding Countries if Israel were to lose control.

It must be quite a scary position to be in. To a large degree flanked by people who don’t even recognise your right to exist, especially with the spectre of the holocaust looming large in the Jewish Israeli psyche.

It doesn’t help that debate is so fanatically polarised. Everyone seems to be entrenched in one camp or the other. Ofcourse each side is totally right,because the way forward is so clear. Right?

[judas]

They have complete control of western media and the banking system.

Did your Tarot cards tell you that 😬

[Slavers]

Did your Tarot cards tell you that 😬

Nope my cocopops did!

[HappyAsHellas]

Is this the same poor people who were dancing in the street on 9/11?
Israel are hated in the middle east because they are jews, jews who the arab race are going to totally destroy - every man woman and child. It tells you this in the quran, but no one seems to bother about it or ask is genocide really what people should be preaching in this day and age. Nah, just blame Israel, it's the easy option.

[James310]

I am thinking of doing some half and half flags with Palestine and Catalonia, you know like the half and half scarves. Reckon I am onto a winner on here.

[Ozyhibby]

I often wonder how Israel thinks this all ends? How long do they think the can continue their aggressive behaviour towards their neighbours and their confiscation of Palestinian land? At some point in the future there will be a day of reckoning just because of the size of the populations surrounding them.


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[hibsbollah]

I often wonder how Israel thinks this all ends? How long do they think the can continue their aggressive behaviour towards their neighbours and their confiscation of Palestinian land? At some point in the future there will be a day of reckoning just because of the size of the populations surrounding them.


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None of the populations surrounding them have state of the art nuclear weapons, the world's best conventional weaponry, an intelligence infrastructure feared all over the world, the world's only military superpower as trusted ally, a total disregard for brownskinned life, and have a track record of invading and killing their neighbours again and again.

I think Israels future looks fairly rosy.

[JeMeSouviens]

None of the populations surrounding them have state of the art nuclear weapons, the world's best conventional weaponry, an intelligence infrastructure feared all over the world, the world's only military superpower as trusted ally, a total disregard for brownskinned life, and have a track record of invading and killing their neighbours again and again.

I think Israels future looks fairly rosy.

It does as long as they suit US strategic interest in the region. Can’t see that changing any time soon.

[hibsbollah]

It does as long as they suit US strategic interest in the region. Can’t see that changing any time soon.

The other thing that suits them is the strongman regimes that are in power on their borders, some secular some non secular, that are currently brutally repressing their own populations in Egypt, Saudi and Turkey, and are essentially allies of Israel and Trump and have no real interest in the Palestinian question.

[JeMeSouviens]

The other thing that suits them is the strongman regimes that are in power on their borders, some secular some non secular, that are currently brutally repressing their own populations in Egypt, Saudi and Turkey, and are essentially allies of Israel and Trump and have no real interest in the Palestinian question.

Definitely. The Palestinians get crocodile tears from time to time but bugger all useful help from neighbouring Arab states.

[Ozyhibby]

Definitely. The Palestinians get crocodile tears from time to time but bugger all useful help from neighbouring Arab states.

That’s is very true.


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[Ozyhibby]

None of the populations surrounding them have state of the art nuclear weapons, the world's best conventional weaponry, an intelligence infrastructure feared all over the world, the world's only military superpower as trusted ally, a total disregard for brownskinned life, and have a track record of invading and killing their neighbours again and again.

I think Israels future looks fairly rosy.

Will that always be the case though. Things can change. Weaponry will get cheaper and more destructive as technology becomes more widespread.


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[HappyAsHellas]

Arafat made a monumental error when he backed Saddam. The vitriol towards Palestinians in Saudi at the time was quite shocking and loads of them were immediately sacked and deported. They tend to have long memories over there which is of course, one of the problems.

[Lester B]

Well how much influence is needed to control the media? Currently its seem the media is pretty well controlled.

I'm no expert but does the US federal reserve not have authority over the central banking system? Who control the Federal Reserve? How much influence do they have on world affairs?

I think that's already been established over a reasonably lengthy period of time

[One Day Soon]

Oh good, more Bibi. :rolleyes:

[judas]

I am thinking of doing some half and half flags with Palestine and Catalonia, you know like the half and half scarves. Reckon I am onto a winner on here.

Lol.

How about some half Israeli half Palestinian scarves.

A celebration of the two state proposal and a fetching Bohemian statement too.

[G B Young]

Slightly off topic but reading but this hijacking, which involved a daring Israeli commando raid (during which Netanyahu's older brother was killed) was one of my earliest memories of watching the news:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/michel-bacos-death-french-pilot-israel-hostages-entebbe-thunderbolt-netanyahu-a8852456.html

[beensaidbefore]

Really is the most disgusting country. Remember for the hard of thinking The religion is not the nation as much as they would like people to think.

https://israelpalestinenews.org/without-explanation-israel-tears-down-new-palestinian-school-in-jerusalem/?fbclid=IwAR060mx7tvsWuGE5fvy2-TGgn6SrJptvQwolpGc6jtCCMBJodSM-749Dg7A

On March 19th, with no advance warning, Israel evacuated a Palestinian school in Shaufat, Occupied East Jerusalem, then demolished it. The school’s principal reports that no official reason has been given.
article reposted from Telesur

video reposted from Middle East Monitor

A Palestinian-owned school building that was under construction, in the Shuafat refugee camp, in occupied East Jerusalem was demolished by Israeli forces’ bulldozers Tuesday.

Eyewitnesses recount dozens of Israeli occupation forces escorting the bulldozers into the refugee camp, while others closed off traffic at the checkpoint near the school.

The Israeli forces then, reportedly, surrounded the al-Razi School from rooftops of nearby buildings while students and faculty were evacuated prior to the demolition. According to multiple witnesses, there were drones observed flying above the two-story school building and rubber-coated steel bullets fired on locals in the camp.

The owner of the demolished school building, Muhammad Alqam, insists that he issued all necessary permits at the Israeli Jerusalem Municipality before beginning construction. Alqam was assured that the area belonged to the United Nations Agency for Palestinian Refugees (UNRWA).

There was no prior notice of the demolition before it took place, says Saleh Alqam, principal of the al-Razi school and an official reason for the demolition is yet to be confirmed.

Despite the requisite preparations being carried out, the demolition order was issued, in November, by Israeli authorities.

The United Nations has consistently condemned Israel for the practice of illegal demolition, since 2015.

The al-Razi School had registered about 400 kindergarten and elementary students for the upcoming school year for the new building.

Sickening. Especially when you consider what they as a people have experienced in the not too distant past. Seems they have short or selective memories. Not too different than some of the behaviour directed at them by the Nazis.

[Just Alf]

Sickening. Especially when you consider what they as a people have experienced in the not too distant past. Seems they have short or selective memories. Not too different than some of the behaviour directed at them by the Nazis.Agreed, it's this that always amazes me... Of all the countries across the world today, the one least likely to do stuff like that should have been Israel.



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[G B Young]

Agreed, it's this that always amazes me... Of all the countries across the world today, the one least likely to do stuff like that should have been Israel.



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Arguably born of a persecution mentality, rooted in the Nazi attempts to wipe Jews off the face of the earth. Modern day Israel's neighbours would quite happily see the country wiped from the map so a hardline mentality prevails.

[Just Alf]

Arguably born of a persecution mentality, rooted in the Nazi attempts to wipe Jews off the face of the earth. Modern day Israel's neighbours would quite happily see the country wiped from the map so a hardline mentality prevails.I can see where you are coming from, and agree to an extent.

If I was i was in charge over there I'd be doing everything I could to make the people "on the ground" from all creeds to have the best possible lives, decent hospitals, schools, jobs etc... Make it a place people want to "be". Try to have everyone mixing like hundreds of years ago when Jerusalem, for example, was a melting pot of peoples (mostly) getting along.

Don't get me wrong, Israel obviously has its enemies, but if it sorted itself out at home then they'd get so much more support around the world when combating said adversaries.




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[hibsbollah]

Modern day Israel's neighbours would quite happily see the country wiped from the map so a hardline mentality prevails.

This is the kind of baseless justification that kept the National Party in power under apartheid South Africa. A pretence of fear of being 'swamped' by brown skinned neighbours, fatuous claims of the inherent violent nature of the black Africans, theological justification based on misreadings of religious scripture. It's the Apartheid playbook. There was of course no threat of a military nature against Botha's regime, and there's no threat of Israel being challenged militarily from it's neighbours either, as I've already pointed out. Well, aside from gangs of teenagers chucking stones at soldiers armed with state of the art weaponry. And you pin the native population down in smaller and smaller enclaves with no jobs no water and no hope.

[Bristolhibby]

I can see where you are coming from, and agree to an extent.

If I was i was in charge over there I'd be doing everything I could to make the people "on the ground" from all creeds to have the best possible lives, decent hospitals, schools, jobs etc... Make it a place people want to "be". Try to have everyone mixing like hundreds of years ago when Jerusalem, for example, was a melting pot of peoples (mostly) getting along.

Don't get me wrong, Israel obviously has its enemies, but if it sorted itself out at home then they'd get so much more support around the world when combating said adversaries.




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TBF Jerusalem is pretty mixed. Highly recommend spending a number of days there. You get absolutely lost in the history of the place.

J

[HappyAsHellas]

This is the kind of baseless justification that kept the National Party in power under apartheid South Africa. A pretence of fear of being 'swamped' by brown skinned neighbours, fatuous claims of the inherent violent nature of the black Africans, theological justification based on misreadings of religious scripture. It's the Apartheid playbook. There was of course no threat of a military nature against Botha's regime, and there's no threat of Israel being challenged militarily from it's neighbours either, as I've already pointed out. Well, aside from gangs of teenagers chucking stones at soldiers armed with state of the art weaponry. And you pin the native population down in smaller and smaller enclaves with no jobs no water and no hope.

I worked in Saudi Arabia for 7 years and you'd be surprised how many people view Hitler as a hero. They absolutely detest Israel with a passion that is quite hard to understand at times, given some of them have had western educations. Admittedly, the select few, but the point still stands. It's quite shocking in a way, but that's the way it is over there. Even the Jordanians had similar views, and it leaves you with the inevitable thought that nothing will change. I tried debating with some Egyptian workers on the basis that some Israeli's will be peace loving people who would like to live in harmony with their neighbours. The proverbial lead balloon which seemed to bring an instant barrage of hatred and stories about how wicked all Jews are. When you work there for a while you become accustomed to certain subjects which should never be brought up in polite company and Israel (you can only call it Palestine, no maps mention the "I" word) is right up there. This viewpoint is of course supported by the powers that be as every night on the news there was a "today the enemy Israeli army" topic to remind you who should hate and why. Sadly, meaningful dialogue still seems as far away as it ever was.

[Besties Debut]

How they just seem to get away with it is sickening... When you are America’s favourite child you can get away with anything

[beensaidbefore]

How they just seem to get away with it is sickening...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/31/israel-to-auction-prefab-classrooms-donated-by-eu-to-palestinians

Jeezo, when are we going to hear a bit more condemnation of this kinda thing? It happened in October so there has been plenty time to get this sorted out. They seem to be a law unto themselves.