Hibs v Kilmarnock

[MyJo]

A little bit found out, we are still low end top 6 at best. Great run without defeat however, and at least we are now guaranteed the top 6. Well done Hibs for achieving that.


Killie have played 50 league games since Clarke took over and have only lost 12 of them.

They are the third best performing team in the country this season ahead of Aberdeen and Hearts.

They are no mugs and haven’t achieved this by accident.

Not beating them is not a sign of us being a poor team. Better teams than us have had to hold out for a draw or been beaten by Killie this season.

[Blaster]

Lacked urgency. Pretty much sums it up.

Yes especially Slivka. Didn’t look interested

[Hibeesmad]

Who’d have thought we’d need a driving midfielder after losing McGinn?! Everyone except Lennon it seems.

Or the recruitment team. Bigirimana was their answer perhaps.

[Borderhibbie76]

Who’d have thought we’d need a driving midfielder after losing McGinn?! Everyone except Lennon it seems.Yup he left the squad extremely imbalanced...we would never have got top 6 had he stayed of that I'm certain. Heckys done well considering the paper thin squad hes had to work with since he came in

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[SHODAN]

Lacked urgency. Pretty much sums it up.

Was quite funny watching everyone screaming "URGENCY" the last few mins when we had clearly settled for the point.

[tamig]

We could have lost it if we'd been silly and opened up.

Tight game, disciplined performance but we'll need a bit more guile to break down the better defences in this league next season.

We have a player coming in next season who is very good at that n

[Brightside]

Both teams playing for a draw.

[Hibbyradge]

Well don’t accommodate him then? Contributes nothing out on the left and would rather have someone else out there

I actually agree.

But I'll punt it back to you. Who would you replace him with?

[MWHIBBIES]

Decent game technically but both sides lacked a real drive and creative player. We missed Boyle alot tonight and obviously Scott Allan.

[The 90+2]

I actually agree.

But I'll punt it back to you. Who would you replace him with?

The guy from Man City who’s amazing in training?

[J-C]

Boring game against a very decent well disciplined Killie side,lacked a bit of urgency in the 1st half and a bit of guile, the passing at times was shocking. The game had 0-0 written all over it,too many players lacked that wee bit composure, decent point but could anx should do a lot better. Disappointed in Horgan and Slivka, plus Flo is wasted out wide.

[blackpoolhibs]

I actually agree.

But I'll punt it back to you. Who would you replace him with?

I think i'd rather have Mackie left midfield than Flo, at least he's a natural leftie and does play this position regularly.

Might work better, as Kamberi is not suited for out there.

[Hibeesmad]

We should definitely have got another winger in January.

[The 90+2]

We should definitely have got another winger in January.

We had a head coach wanting the Celtic gig and the background staff done the best the could. I agree it would have been nice but I would have snapped your hand off for top six, another derby and another full house against Celtic to help fund next season. No visit of Hamilton or Dundee etc. It’s been a very very good start of the year for the club.

[Hibbyradge]

I think i'd rather have Mackie left midfield than Flo, at least he's a natural leftie and does play this position regularly.

Might work better, as Kamberi is not suited for out there.

Maybe, but Kamberi is more of a goal threat and he's very difficult to drop because of that.

[Hibbyradge]

We had a head coach wanting the Celtic gig and the background staff done the best the could. I agree it would have been nice but I would have snapped your hand off for top six, another derby and another full house against Celtic to help fund next season. No visit of Hamilton or Dundee etc. It’s been a very very good start of the year for the club.

You need to knock that Lennon wanted the Celtc gig stuff on its head. It's just not true.

The rest of your post, I agree with.

Although we do have Agyepong and Boyle injured.

[Borderhibbie76]

We had a head coach wanting the Celtic gig and the background staff done the best the could. I agree it would have been nice but I would have snapped your hand off for top six, another derby and another full house against Celtic to help fund next season. No visit of Hamilton or Dundee etc. It’s been a very very good start of the year for the club.100% correct well said all round

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[Stuart93]

I actually agree.

But I'll punt it back to you. Who would you replace him with?

Sure I’ve seen billy whizz say in development games that F. Murray plays left wing and is decent in that position?

[MWHIBBIES]

Kamberi should watch every game Mario Mandzukic has played on the left for Juventus. Big striker turned into very effective left sided player. Gives full backs a torrid time and is a genuine threat at the back post. Although if Gray could actually cross Kamberi might have an opportunity to win it at the back.

[Since452]

Thought Killie completely controlled the game. Omeonga our best player tonight.

[Hibbyradge]

Sure I’ve seen billy whizz say in development games that F. Murray plays left wing and is decent in that position?

Maybe, but what do we do with Kamberi?

Plus, we'd be committing to one up front which Lennon got slated for.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Thought Killie were better than us, created the better chances and will see it as points dropped. Could not get mcnulty in the game at all. Think it was a good point for us the way it planned out.

Can see why we haven’t lost a lot of goals under PH. We are more focused on being a solid base at the back, it’s a totally different watch, fine when we are getting results

[Stuart93]

Maybe, but what do we do with Kamberi?

Plus, we'd be committing to one up front which Lennon got slated for.

I’m not sure he’s done enough of late the warrant an automatic place in the starting 11.

True but feel Heck’s trying his best with what he’s got, an unbalanced squad

[Keith_M]

Not a great performance, but its another point. We clearly need more legs in the middle of the park that drive the team forward, and support the front players.

Hopefully we will see those types arrive in the summer.


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[Stuart93]

Thought Killie were better than us, created the better chances and will see it as points dropped. Could not get mcnulty in the game at all. Think it was a good point for us the way it planned out.

Can see why we haven’t lost a lot of goals under PH. We are more focused on being a solid base at the back, it’s a totally different watch, fine when we are getting results

It’s fine but for how long? Don’t want us to turn into a boring team to watch.

[MWHIBBIES]

It’s fine but for how long? Don’t want us to turn into a boring team to watch.

Judge the guy when he has Allan, Boyle and whatever other attackers he has next season. Not when he's just in the door. We weren't actually boring tonight, just lacking a spark against a good side.

[Bobo]

Not the best of performances, with next to zero threat up front against an ordinary Killie side.

Slivka, Horgan and Kamberi were all really poor tonight and were all eventually withdrawn but could have all been taken off after 15 minutes rather than wasting over an hour with them on the park. We'll need to do much better if we want to improve on sixth place.

[B.H.F.C]

It’s fine but for how long? Don’t want us to turn into a boring team to watch.

It’ll be fine for as long as we keep getting results.

There has been some good football played and some good goals scored in his games so far.

We’re short on numbers. There was very little he could do to try and give us a bit of a spark in the second half with what he’s got available.

[green day]

Not the best of performances, with next to zero threat up front against an ordinary Killie side.

Slivka, Horgan and Kamberi were all really poor tonight and were all eventually withdrawn but could have all been taken off after 15 minutes rather than wasting over an hour with them on the park. We'll need to do much better if we want to improve on sixth place.

Killie are not an "ordinary side", as evidenced by their league position and performances.

However tonight both teams kinda cancelled each other out - first half was rubbish, they were better at the beginning of the second and we finished stronger.

A draw was the right result.

[Heisenberg]

It’s fine but for how long? Don’t want us to turn into a boring team to watch.

Its fine as long as we continue to pick up results.

[superfurryhibby]

Our defence was very good tonght, Hanlon’s error aside. Grea5 save from Rocky though, a very strong single hand to keep the ball out of the net.

Killie were much slicker in the first half and put a lot of crosses in. We seemed to stifle that in the second half, albeit we never created any chances ourselves.

Overall a hard fought point from a difficult side. A disappointing game really. I was hoping for a high intensity dong-dong game, never really got there.

[Stuart93]

Judge the guy when he has Allan, Boyle and whatever other attackers he has next season. Not when he's just in the door. We weren't actually boring tonight, just lacking a spark against a good side.

Yep fair enough. But I disagree with the last part, I thought we were incredibly boring, pedestrian and predictable for the majority. Take the point move on to a better performance on Saturday though

[Jim44]

The Derby match will be a good indicator of where we’re at just now. They are poor and if we can beat them we could go on and get a few more points after the split. If we lose, it will consolidate what we are just now ....... a decent, upper mid table team.

[Speedway]

Heckle says we need to be ‘quicker and sleeker’ if we want the top teams to respect us.

[Brightside]

I don’t think either team controlled the game. Both happen to sit in and wait for a mistake. A decent composed performance from Hibs.

[B.H.F.C]

I don’t think either team controlled the game. Both happen to sit in and wait for a mistake. A decent composed performance from Hibs.

Don’t think the performance can be described as decent, we gave the ball away far too much unnecessarily.

Agree about nobody really controlling it. Teams cancelled each other out a bit IMO.

[wookie70]

Not much in it but Killie had the better chances. Two managers who know how to set a side up and are good at getting the danger areas covered. That was a decent point if not a great watch. Loads of injuries and quite a few players playing well below form. We lacked some drive apart from Stephane who was MOTM for me. Really enjoyed his battle with Malumba and he definitely got a draw if not a narrow victory against an experience player and one of teh best in Scotland.

McNulty was completely outplayed with the limited service he had and Flo, Horgan and Slivka were not at the races. I thought Milligan was excellent and Hanlon, barring almost gifting Jones a goal, looked like he was getting his form back and moving better. All in all our organisation and shape allowed us to get a point despite a pretty lack lustre performance from our attacking players. Not a disaster and I doubt many would say top six from where Heck started isn't a massive achievement. Time to pump the Jambos and try and get in the Euro race. Jambo Brexit on Saturday

[Stevie Reid]

Thought Killie were excellent and controlled the game for long spells. We started quite well, and had a decent bit in the second half, but I was delighted with a point from a game where we didn’t create a single good chance.

We were competitive but second best overall. We defended well from open play but were fortunate that Killie wasted several good chances from set pieces, on which we looked weak at both ends.

PH has been excellent since he game in and I’m delighted with the progress in such a short space of time (especially since he couldn’t sign many players, and has had so many injuries). But Celtic, Rangers, and now Killie have come to ER and for the vast majority of those games we barely laid a glove on them - albeit only Celtic beat us and we could well have won late on vs Rangers.

I’m very excited for the future, but we have six very tough tests ahead, starting Saturday. Given we are in sixth place though, we have little to lose. I’m looking forward to seeing how we get on, we’ll learn loads about what we need for next season.

[flash]

One thing the manager learned tonight is that Murray and Shaw are both miles away from first team standard. Flo and Horgan both struggled tonight but were still miles ahead of the two who replaced them.

[The 90+2]

You need to knock that Lennon wanted the Celtc gig stuff on its head. It's just not true.

The rest of your post, I agree with.

Although we do have Agyepong and Boyle injured.

Point taken and can see why 👍

[sean04]

Credit to killie tonight, get men goal side and make it very difficult to create chances. Suits them to suck teams in and try break. Really well organised. Were missing that wee bit number 10 craft and class that can make all the difference in these games

[DaveF]

One thing the manager learned tonight is that Murray and Shaw are both miles away from first team standard. Flo and Horgan both struggled tonight but were still miles ahead of the two who replaced them.

You base that on the 12 minutes Murray got in a game where we hardly ever got on top. Personally I thought Slivka and Kamberi were complete passengers and should both have been hooked far earlier. Then your opinion might have held a bit more credibility.

[wookie70]

One thing the manager learned tonight is that Murray and Shaw are both miles away from first team standard. Flo and Horgan both struggled tonight but were still miles ahead of the two who replaced them.

Shaw got closer to scoring than McNulty or Flo tonight despite only have a short stint on the park. He is a good back up imo with not too far to develop before he is a first choice. Goalscorers are hard to come by.

[Smartie]

I must be the only one that thinks that Flo is putting in a decent shift out on the left.

The role is a bit like the one that Stokes was best at - restricting attacking fullbacks from getting too much joy going forward by being solid enough defensively but also carrying an attacking threat cutting in off that side meaning that the fullback has to be careful not to go forward too much and get exposed.

Flo did nothing more centrally in the second half than he did out wide during the first.

And I agree that he could be a deadly threat with the correct back post runs and the right delivery.

[B.H.F.C]

Shaw got closer to scoring than McNulty or Flo tonight despite only have a short stint on the park. He is a good back up imo with not too far to develop before he is a first choice. Goalscorers are hard to come by.

Developing is going to be an issue for Shaw because he needs to play to do so. It’s hard to see him getting much in the way of game time between now and the end of the year. And whether it’s McNulty, or someone else, we’re going to sign a number 9 in the summer so I can see him being in the same position next year.

[MWHIBBIES]

One thing the manager learned tonight is that Murray and Shaw are both miles away from first team standard. Flo and Horgan both struggled tonight but were still miles ahead of the two who replaced them.

Really worried if the manager is judging kids on 20 minute performances. Nonsense they are both miles away, Shaw has contributed plenty this season.

[Billy Whizz]

I must be the only one that thinks that Flo is putting in a decent shift out on the left.

The role is a bit like the one that Stokes was best at - restricting attacking fullbacks from getting too much joy going forward by being solid enough defensively but also carrying an attacking threat cutting in off that side meaning that the fullback has to be careful not to go forward too much and get exposed.

Flo did nothing more centrally in the second half than he did out wide during the first.

And I agree that he could be a deadly threat with the correct back post runs and the right delivery.

He is, but it doesn’t bring out the best in Flo

[ancient hibee]

I must be the only one that thinks that Flo is putting in a decent shift out on the left.

The role is a bit like the one that Stokes was best at - restricting attacking fullbacks from getting too much joy going forward by being solid enough defensively but also carrying an attacking threat cutting in off that side meaning that the fullback has to be careful not to go forward too much and get exposed.

Flo did nothing more centrally in the second half than he did out wide during the first.

And I agree that he could be a deadly threat with the correct back post runs and the right delivery.

Spot on and it’s no coincidence that Stevenson has come onto a steadier game since we adopted this formation.

[Hibbyradge]

I must be the only one that thinks that Flo is putting in a decent shift out on the left.

The role is a bit like the one that Stokes was best at - restricting attacking fullbacks from getting too much joy going forward by being solid enough defensively but also carrying an attacking threat cutting in off that side meaning that the fullback has to be careful not to go forward too much and get exposed.

Flo did nothing more centrally in the second half than he did out wide during the first.

And I agree that he could be a deadly threat with the correct back post runs and the right delivery.

Well put and I agree.

He knows he's got a specific job out there and he's doing his best. The great thing for me was that when he was called to come off tonight, he did so without complaint.

It would be nice if he could score again soon, though.

[sean04]

Anybody get a decent view of the killie defender handball from sdg knock down? Looked arm to ball

[Hibbyradge]

Anybody get a decent view of the killie defender handball from sdg knock down? Looked arm to ball

It was his head.

[Golden Bear]

I've not read the entire thread and it may have been mentioned before, but I thought Mark Milligan's performance tonight was absolutely outstanding, in fact it was the most complete performance by a Hibs player for some time. Take a bow Sir.

[calumhibee1]

I've not read the entire thread and it may have been mentioned before, but I thought Mark Milligan's performance tonight was absolutely outstanding, in fact it was the most complete performance by a Hibs player for some time. Take a bow Sir.

He was very good. I've been critical of him but he's had a few excellent games lately.

[Bishop Hibee]

Mixed bag tonight I thought. Defended really well apart from Hanlon’s error. Lack of creativity was the issue. Omeonga was great but we had absolutely no width. Kamberi looked lost on the left against O’Donnell. Food for thought for the derby as we need to create more to win it.

[CMurdoch]

I've not read the entire thread and it may have been mentioned before, but I thought Mark Milligan's performance tonight was absolutely outstanding, in fact it was the most complete performance by a Hibs player for some time. Take a bow Sir.

He was my man of the match far outshining any other Hibs player in the 1st half.

[J-C]

Hecky did say he felt Flo could be dangerous playing on the left but I feel he's hanging out too far left to be effective, he needs to work harder with Stevenson and cut in more onto his right.

I'd love to see Flo and Sparky up top together but with a lack of wide men and 4 across the middle means the 2 central players have to work really hard and wee don't have the players to play a 4-4-2, maybe a diamond in the middle.

[calumhibee1]

Hecky did say he felt Flo could be dangerous playing on the left but I feel he's hanging out too far left to be effective, he needs to work harder with Stevenson and cut in more onto his right.

Agree. More of an Henry position rather than an actual left midfielder.

[Billy Whizz]

Hecky did say he felt Flo could be dangerous playing on the left but I feel he's hanging out too far left to be effective, he needs to work harder with Stevenson and cut in more onto his right.

He slows down our attacking threat. Not his fault as he’s playing the position for the team

[tamig]

I've not read the entire thread and it may have been mentioned before, but I thought Mark Milligan's performance tonight was absolutely outstanding, in fact it was the most complete performance by a Hibs player for some time. Take a bow Sir.

Milligan was my top man tonight. Omeonga came on to a good game as it wore on after a sluggish start. I also thought Hanlon looked like he is getting back to the player we know he can be - his one almost costly error apart. Good to see Mallan getting more involved in open play too over the past few games. I think he’s improving a lot under the new boss.

[NAE NOOKIE]

That was a pretty average performance from us in all honesty, far too many misplaced passes under little or no pressure and an inability to play any dangerous balls through or around the Killie defence. In the first half it was concerning how often Killie got down either wing, especially on SDG's side of the park, at times I thought he had been instructed to stay inside and pass on right back duties to Horgan.

The upside was that we defended pretty well inside the box allowing Killie few decent opportunities from the abundance of possession they had out wide.

We had too many players who just weren't on their game with Slivka, Horgan and Kamberi all being culpable. We desperately need a bit of width with pace and or trickery and its games like tonight where we miss the likes of Boyle and Agyepong. On his 'this is how it feels' thread Jonnyboy made the point that if Mallan and Slivka are going to be in the same team it would be better if it was Slivka playing deep and Mallan further forward for the simple reason that Mallan is a goal threat and Slivka isn't.

At the end of the day given how we played it isn't a bad point against an in form team, but we will have to be far better to get anything at the Rust Arena on Saturday.

[flash]

You base that on the 12 minutes Murray got in a game where we hardly ever got on top. Personally I thought Slivka and Kamberi were complete passengers and should both have been hooked far earlier. Then your opinion might have held a bit more credibility.
I said the manager learned tonight. I already knew neither of them are anywhere near ready. As for your last sentence........

[JimBHibees]

One thing the manager learned tonight is that Murray and Shaw are both miles away from first team standard. Flo and Horgan both struggled tonight but were still miles ahead of the two who replaced them.

Disagree too little time or chance to be making that sweeping statement.

[JimBHibees]

Thought Killie were excellent and controlled the game for long spells. We started quite well, and had a decent bit in the second half, but I was delighted with a point from a game where we didn’t create a single good chance.

We were competitive but second best overall. We defended well from open play but were fortunate that Killie wasted several good chances from set pieces, on which we looked weak at both ends.

PH has been excellent since he game in and I’m delighted with the progress in such a short space of time (especially since he couldn’t sign many players, and has had so many injuries). But Celtic, Rangers, and now Killie have come to ER and for the vast majority of those games we barely laid a glove on them - albeit only Celtic beat us and we could well have won late on vs Rangers.

I’m very excited for the future, but we have six very tough tests ahead, starting Saturday. Given we are in sixth place though, we have little to lose. I’m looking forward to seeing how we get on, we’ll learn loads about what we need for next season.

Agree with that they are very good with loads of experienced players. We did well to get a point. Pretty clear from last night the team with the know how and one in transition. Positive point for us though thought fans got on teams back too quick if misplaced pass.

[DaveF]

I said the manager learned tonight. I already knew neither of them are anywhere near ready. As for your last sentence........

Good for you but I still think your opinion is rubbish. Well you could be partly correct in so much as he learnt that Slivka is a luxury we can ill afford. I'd far rather see Murray given that slot and then we can see if can cut it or not.

[flash]

Disagree too little time or chance to be making that sweeping statement.

Not for me Jim. I am happy to be proved wrong.

[flash]

Good for you but I still think your opinion is rubbish. Well you could be partly correct in so much as he learnt that Slivka is a luxury we can ill afford. I'd far rather see Murray given that slot and then we can see if can cut it or not.

I never mentioned Slivka. Seems you are trying to project your viewpoint on to me.

[Allant1981]

Good for you but I still think your opinion is rubbish. Well you could be partly correct in so much as he learnt that Slivka is a luxury we can ill afford. I'd far rather see Murray given that slot and then we can see if can cut it or not.

We are not in a position at the moment to be trying players out, we can still get 4th place and possibly a place in Europe so we need tried and tested players, slivka has been playing well recently but like his fellow midfielders last night wasnt as good as normal

[DaveF]

I never mentioned Slivka. Seems you are trying to project your viewpoint on to me.

Not really. You dont think Murray is ready based on a few minutes out wide and I suggest he could do better than Slivka in midfield.

It's nothing more than an alternate viewpoint.

[DaveF]

We are not in a position at the moment to be trying players out, we can still get 4th place and possibly a place in Europe so we need tried and tested players, slivka has been playing well recently but like his fellow midfielders last night wasnt as good as normal

I take your point but the other side of that is that the top 6 is a free hit so why not see what these lads can do.

Appreciate that prize money etc is at stake but if these young players are to be given a chance then why not?

[Allant1981]

I take your point but the other side of that is that the top 6 is a free hit so why not see what these lads can do.

Appreciate that prize money etc is at stake but if these young players are to be given a chance then why not?

Bringing young players in and giving them game time is good but at this stage of the season where it's all to play for still is not the time in my opinion, if we had no chance of qualifying for Europe then I'd agree but I still think we need our experienced players starting

[Tyler Durden]

I must be the only one that thinks that Flo is putting in a decent shift out on the left.

The role is a bit like the one that Stokes was best at - restricting attacking fullbacks from getting too much joy going forward by being solid enough defensively but also carrying an attacking threat cutting in off that side meaning that the fullback has to be careful not to go forward too much and get exposed.

Flo did nothing more centrally in the second half than he did out wide during the first.

And I agree that he could be a deadly threat with the correct back post runs and the right delivery.

I agree that he’s doing a good job for the team but he does need to learn the position and develop more of a threat. Which is to be expected given he’s only played 4 games there.

There are times when he should be making an “outside to in” run much quicker to give our midfield an option. He’s tending to hold the width a bit too much. A few examples last night where he was caught on his heels when he should have been attacking the back post.

As someone mentioned on another thread, hopefully the smaller park at Tynie will help and he can get a bit closer to McNulty.

[Weir07]

Good for you but I still think your opinion is rubbish. Well you could be partly correct in so much as he learnt that Slivka is a luxury we can ill afford. I'd far rather see Murray given that slot and then we can see if can cut it or not.

That's what I said at the game last night, don't think Slivka offers enough and would like to see Murray given an extended run. He could be a big player next year, so let's give him the next six games to see what he can do.

[Stevie Reid]

Agree with that they are very good with loads of experienced players. We did well to get a point. Pretty clear from last night the team with the know how and one in transition. Positive point for us though thought fans got on teams back too quick if misplaced pass.

Agree Jim, though I think that was just a symptom of the frustration of us not getting in behind them once during the whole game. A few occasions where some lovely one touch passing got us into a decent position, only for someone to be hesitant, or misplace a simple pass, and us lose all momentum.

I think the stadium as a whole was accepting that last night was a very good point for us, in the context of how the game went.