Conspiracy Theories

[21.05.2016]

Never been much of a conspiracy theorist myself. I don't believe absolute EVERYTHING is at it is seems or we are always told exactly the truth but in general I don't take up too much of my time reading into it all. However, a debate got going between a group of us down the local a few weeks back and a few claimed to believe in all different conspiracies. Everything from 9/11, to the Kennedys killing Marolyn Monroe to Michael Jackson still being alive etc.

Are there any conspiracies you deeply buy into and why?

[DetroitHibs]

I don’t buy the 9/11 official line at all. Watched a lot of documentary’s and videos and none of that adds up at all. They can find a terrorist passport in the rubble, but not one single black box. Yeah okay :rolleyes:

Another one is flight TWA 800. Watched that on Netflix and again, don’t buy the official story.

[Tornadoes70]

I don’t buy the 9/11 official line at all. Watched a lot of documentary’s and videos and none of that adds up at all. They can find a terrorist passport in the rubble, but not one single black box. Yeah okay :rolleyes:

Another one is flight TWA 800. Watched that on Netflix and again, don’t buy the official story.

This is one I happen to agree with too. How on earth was security bypassed in such a synchronised and complex manner with zero intelligence to prevent it. Its simply mind boggling that it could have occurred in the way that it did.

The other one is that the SFA must have known Romanov and his money was as bent as the proverbial two bob note and how they didn't strip the Yams of their 'cup win' is beyond belief.

Mon the Cabbage!!!

[Moulin Yarns]

This is one I happen to agree with too. How on earth was security bypassed in such a synchronised and complex manner with zero intelligence to prevent it. Its simply mind boggling that it could have occurred in the way that it did.

The other one is that the SFA must have known Romanov and his money was as bent as the proverbial two bob note and how they didn't strip the Yams of their 'cup win' is beyond belief.

Mon the Cabbage!!!

Security around 9/11 must have been run by Richard Leonard and Jeremy Corbyn. 😉

[Tornadoes70]

Security around 9/11 must have been run by Richard Leonard and Jeremy Corbyn. 😉

Yet you had the absolute front and cheek to call me a troll!!!

:greengrin

[DetroitHibs]

This is one I happen to agree with too. How on earth was security bypassed in such a synchronised and complex manner with zero intelligence to prevent it. Its simply mind boggling that it could have occurred in the way that it did.

The other one is that the SFA must have known Romanov and his money was as bent as the proverbial two bob note and how they didn't strip the Yams of their 'cup win' is beyond belief.

Mon the Cabbage!!!

So many holes in 9/11. Building 7 big huge red flag. Experts saying it was a controlled demolition of all buildings, huge insurance taken out a day or two before. That’s just off the top of my head. Whole thing was a stitch up IMO.

[Tornadoes70]

So many holes in 9/11. Building 7 big huge red flag. Experts saying it was a controlled demolition of all buildings, huge insurance taken out a day or two before. That’s just off the top of my head. Whole thing was a stitch up IMO.

I wouldn't normally describe myself as a 'conspiracy theorist' however it does not sit well with a lot of folk how a bunch of jihadi's were able to orchestrate such a complex set of actions whereby completely bypassing every security system and carry out such a monumental act without a mere whisper reaching American counter terrorism.

No-one could say with certainty that you're opinion was wrongful.

[Newry Hibs]

JFK being killed just by LHO.

[Smartie]

This is one I happen to agree with too. How on earth was security bypassed in such a synchronised and complex manner with zero intelligence to prevent it. Its simply mind boggling that it could have occurred in the way that it did.

The other one is that the SFA must have known Romanov and his money was as bent as the proverbial two bob note and how they didn't strip the Yams of their 'cup win' is beyond belief.

Mon the Cabbage!!!

I flew on an internal flight in the USA a few months before 9/11 and I'd say I've had more stringent security checks to get into ER than I had on that flight.

Security has been stepped up in a big way since then, but it didn't require a grand criminal conspiracy to sneak the weapons onto the planes that the attackers did.

I don't buy any 9/11 conspiracy theories.

One of my lecturers at Uni was really into the JFK assassination - he was a student himself at the time of the assassination and got hold of a copy of the zapruder film long before it's content was known and available. He's lectured on the subject for years. His slightly disappointing conclusion is that he was killed by LHO, who wasn't put up to it by anyone. JFK had pissed a lot of people off though, and if LHO hadn't killed him then any number of other groups would have had it done soon after.

I believe in the Rangers conspiracy theory. They cheated and broke the rules over a very long period. The "5 way agreement" stinks, and criminal acts allowed the new club to emerge from the ashes of the old one relatively unscathed. There was (and still is) deep rooted corruption at the heart of Scottish football, corruption that also affects/ infects our legal system and law enforcement with freemasonic influence.

We might never know the true extent of it.

[Scouse Hibee]

9/11 was a terrorist attack, conspiracy theories and suggestions of buildings being demolished by planned explosions are in my opinion total nonsense.

[Pretty Boy]

The sheer number of people who would have had to have been involved in 'faking' 9/11 makes the various conspiracy theories unlikely.

An entire demolitions team would have had to have been rigging up wiring and explosives inside some of the busiest office buildings in the US for days if not weeks and no one saw them and queried it? No one who was involved in that small part of it has broken cover in almost 20 years?

That one task would have required the silence of thousands of people. To pull the whole thing off, with a nod to many of the theories, would have required the cooperation of (amongst others) politicians, federal employees, all branches of the military, airport security, air traffic control, aviation engineers......

I don't think it's a stretch to say many American politicians were happy to use 9/11 to further their own agendas. That's a different ball game from actually planning and executing the events though.

[Sylar]

Natural intrigue or enquiry around events is entirely healthy. What bothers me about conspiracy theorists is the sheer exhaustion behind their 'beliefs'. It's often belligerent to the point of zealous, whereby even when you present them with copious evidence to the contrary of their interpretation of events, you'll find resistance. Much like debating a religious person, conspiracy theorists often can't be shaken and will get to a Trumpian level of questioning the most basic of facts.

9/11 is a great example, especially some of the more ardent supporters of those theories on here. Every time this discussion has come up on here, the discussion comes around to steel beams, jet fuel, WTC7 etc, and every time I've provided peer-reviewed consensus scientific and engineering papers that explain the 'how' and 'why', only to be retorted to with some website that claims 'experts say...', which is usually utter humpty.

Those that query the basis of a claim are fine. Those that hold steadfast to these same theories in the face of evidence because they don't want to believe the 'official line' are moonhowling morons.

[Tornadoes70]

The sheer number of people who would have had to have been involved in 'faking' 9/11 makes the various conspiracy theories unlikely.

An entire demolitions team would have had to have been rigging up wiring and explosives inside some of the busiest office buildings in the US for days if not weeks and no one saw them and queried it? No one who was involved in that small part of it has broken cover in almost 20 years?

That one task would have required the silence of thousands of people. To pull the whole thing off, with a nod to many of the theories, would have required the cooperation of (amongst others) politicians, federal employees, all branches of the military, airport security, air traffic control, aviation engineers......

I don't think it's a stretch to say many American politicians were happy to use 9/11 to further their own agendas. That's a different ball game from actually planning and executing the events though.

That's a very fair point of view indeed.

However, who would find it easier to orchestrate - those on the outside of the security systems and counter terrorism who managed to hijack planes and crash them into areas of high profile without so much as a whisper for American counter terrorism or those on the inside of hi tech security systems and its national operational agencies, fair question.

[DetroitHibs]

Logically a couple of terrorists armed with box cutters were able to take over an entire plane full of passengers, pilots and flight engineers, then fly the plane where they wanted with absolute ease and no interference. Not once, not twice, but four times. Not buying it.

[calumhibee1]

The sheer number of people who would have had to have been involved in 'faking' 9/11 makes the various conspiracy theories unlikely.

An entire demolitions team would have had to have been rigging up wiring and explosives inside some of the busiest office buildings in the US for days if not weeks and no one saw them and queried it? No one who was involved in that small part of it has broken cover in almost 20 years?

That one task would have required the silence of thousands of people. To pull the whole thing off, with a nod to many of the theories, would have required the cooperation of (amongst others) politicians, federal employees, all branches of the military, airport security, air traffic control, aviation engineers......

I don't think it's a stretch to say many American politicians were happy to use 9/11 to further their own agendas. That's a different ball game from actually planning and executing the events though.

That to me is the main reason I couldn't even entertain the idea of a conspiracy theory. For something like that to have been executed so publicly and no doubt have thousands of people involved to make it happen with not one of them having a conscience that got the better of them or even just letting slip that they were involved is just not believable in the slightest to me.

[Slavers]

That to me is the main reason I couldn't even entertain the idea of a conspiracy theory. For something like that to have been executed so publicly and no doubt have thousands of people involved to make it happen with not one of them having a conscience that got the better of them or even just letting slip that they were involved is just not believable in the slightest to me.

Please explain why it would take a huge number of people to maintain complete silence? How many do you think were involved? You say thousands would need to be in on it and remain silent? Explain why thousands would need to be involved?

There are many crimes that are carried out and people remain silent as they are scared.

Maybe whilst you at it explain why a number of key witnesses were found dead? Or why the passport of one of the alleged hijackers survived the fire ball?

Why was the scene not treated as a crime scene and then why all the debris from the site immediately shipped of to China?

[calumhibee1]

Please explain why it would take a huge number of people to maintain complete silence? How many do you think were involved? You say thousands would need to be in on it and remain silent? Explain why thousands would need to be involved?

There are many crimes that are carried out and people remain silent as they are scared.

Maybe whilst you at it explain why a number of key witnesses were found dead? Or why the passport of one of the alleged hijackers survived the fire ball?

Why was the scene not treated as a crime scene and then why all the debris from the site immediately shipped of to China.

You think a decision was taken to fly a plane into the towers and also blow up the towers etc and there wouldn’t have had to be loads of people involved? The demolition of two buildings that size would have been a job for plenty folk alone, throw in having to do it with nobody even seeing them plant all the explosives etc and to me I don’t see any way it could come close to being done. How would you find demolition experts willing to plant them? How do you source out demolition experts who would be willing to contribute to the murder of thousands of people? I very much doubt there’s anywhere near enough demolition experts in the world who would say aye to that job.

I’ve no idea what other aspects would need to be taken care of because I’ve never arranged a fake terrorist attack but I’m going to hazard a guess plenty other people would need to be involved at other stages to make it happen.

There’s absolutely no way that one out of absolutely loads of folk who would have to be involved in the massacre of thousands of people wouldn’t have come out by now.

[Tobias Funke]

Please explain why it would take a huge number of people to maintain complete silence? How many do you think were involved? You say thousands would need to be in on it and remain silent? Explain why thousands would need to be involved?

There are many crimes that are carried out and people remain silent as they are scared.

Maybe whilst you at it explain why a number of key witnesses were found dead? Or why the passport of one of the alleged hijackers survived the fire ball?

Why was the scene not treated as a crime scene and then why all the debris from the site immediately shipped of to China?

Yip, thought you’d be all over this thread like a dog on a meat couch. :aok:

[Tobias Funke]

You think a decision was taken to fly a plane into the towers and also blow up the towers etc and there wouldn’t have had to be loads of people involved? The demolition of two buildings that size would have been a job for plenty folk alone, throw in having to do it with nobody even seeing them plant all the explosives etc and to me I don’t see any way it could come close to being done. How would you find demolition experts willing to plant them? How do you source out demolition experts who would be willing to contribute to the murder of thousands of people? I very much doubt there’s anywhere near enough demolition experts in the world who would say aye to that job.

I’ve no idea what other aspects would need to be taken care of because I’ve never arranged a fake terrorist attack but I’m going to hazard a guess plenty other people would need to be involved at other stages to make it happen.

There’s absolutely no way that one out of absolutely loads of folk who would have to be involved in the massacre of thousands of people wouldn’t have come out by now.

I would personally ignore HomeTeam, a quick look at their posting history confirms they aren’t the straitest of thinkers. Drugs or alcohol probably involved. Owns a tinfoil hat.

[Slavers]

Yip, thought you’d be all over this thread like a dog on a meat couch. :aok:

Ha ha does this mean I'm living rent free in your mind?

[Scouse Hibee]

Please explain why it would take a huge number of people to maintain complete silence? How many do you think were involved? You say thousands would need to be in on it and remain silent? Explain why thousands would need to be involved?

There are many crimes that are carried out and people remain silent as they are scared.

Maybe whilst you at it explain why a number of key witnesses were found dead? Or why the passport of one of the alleged hijackers survived the fire ball?

Why was the scene not treated as a crime scene and then why all the debris from the site immediately shipped of to China?

Funny you should talk about crimes, as nearly every single robbery that has involved lots of planning, people and time has nearly always resulted in the offenders being caught. The reason is simple that too many people equals too many leaks of information. For that reason alone your 9/11 conspiracy theories are ridiculous and no amount of pontificating will ever provide any credibility.

[Hibbyradge]

It's plausible that we don't know what really happened with JFK and Diana. A relatively small number of people would have been needed to murder those individuals although even still, it's a stretch.

However, as far as the moonlanding and 9/11 are concerned, they're not conspiracy theories.

They're conspiracy fantasies.

[CapitalGreen]

Ha ha does this mean I'm living rent free in your mind?

No it means you have a reputation on here for being an absolute weirdo.

[Steve-O]

Logically a couple of terrorists armed with box cutters were able to take over an entire plane full of passengers, pilots and flight engineers, then fly the plane where they wanted with absolute ease and no interference. Not once, not twice, but four times. Not buying it.

*Three times

[Hibbyradge]

Logically a couple of terrorists armed with box cutters were able to take over an entire plane full of passengers, pilots and flight engineers, then fly the plane where they wanted with absolute ease and no interference. Not once, not twice, but four times. Not buying it.

How should one go about hijacking a plane?

Planes have been hijacked for decades. I've no idea how it was done, but the difference in 2011, is that the hijackers had learned the basic skills to fly and navigate the planes.

[Slavers]

No it means you have a reputation on here for being an absolute weirdo.

Coming from you I'll take that as a compliment.

[DetroitHibs]

*Three times

There was the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania too. Four.

[Onceinawhile]

There was the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania too. Four.

Yes, but they didn't fly that where they wanted to with ease and without interference did they? They got tackled and the plane crashed in the middle of nowhere.

Unless their plan was to crash in the middle of nowhere?

[Callum_62]

Once someone explains exactly how building 7 came down and the still pristine manicured lawn at the pentagon

Then il start to believe the official line


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[Smartie]

Once someone explains exactly how building 7 came down and the still pristine manicured lawn at the pentagon

Then il start to believe the official line


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Building 7 had 2x 110 storey high buildings fall down next to it. It was also on fire for a decent length of time. The heat buckled the steel and the whole structure was weakened by having 2 skyscrapers throw themselves to the ground in it's close vicinity prior to it's collapse.

I'm content with the official explanation.

[Callum_62]

Building 7 had 2x 110 storey high buildings fall down next to it. It was also on fire for a decent length of time. The heat buckled the steel and the whole structure was weakened by having 2 skyscrapers throw themselves to the ground in it's close vicinity prior to it's collapse.

I'm content with the official explanation.

On fire for a length of time means nothing - name me another modern day building that has been “totally” destroyed by fire? Infact show me any building collapse within its own footprint?

On the heat point tho - explain the untouched grass outside the pentagon

We are led to believe the fire was so intense in the WTC that it brought down 2 buildings, but with same scenario at the pentagon and the lawn looks better than mine! [emoji23]. Ofcourse the passport survived tho? [emoji848]

I just wish the whole thing was more transparent - why not release proper CCTV at the pentagon? Why confiscate the cctv in the first place?


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[Hibrandenburg]

I just wish the whole thing was more transparent - why not release proper CCTV at the pentagon? Why confiscate the cctv in the first place?

The cctv coverage showed deceased security personal in their true lizard form and had to be confiscated by the consortium council.

[Callum_62]

The cctv coverage showed deceased security personal in their true lizard form and had to be confiscated by the consortium council.

Know there was an obvious reason

Hiding in plain sight [emoji23]


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[Steve-O]

There was the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania too. Four.

It didn’t fly where it wanted with absolute ease and no interference though did it?

[DetroitHibs]

9/11 is one of those situations where those that believe the official story and those that don’t, won’t ever change there mind. Nothing wrong with that :aok:

[Smartie]

9/11 is one of those situations where those that believe the official story and those that don’t, won’t ever change there mind. Nothing wrong with that :aok:

It really isn't.

Anyone might change their mind based on new evidence being available (it's possible that some juicy government secrets might be revealed after 30 years or whatever it is).

Nobody is going to change their mind on existing evidence.

[DetroitHibs]

It really isn't.

Anyone might change their mind based on new evidence being available (it's possible that some juicy government secrets might be revealed after 30 years or whatever it is).

Nobody is going to change their mind on existing evidence.

Right, if new evidence emerges then possibly people will change there minds. Based on what we have today, if your minds made up, not much will change it. I could rattle off a good 20 solid reasons and facts why I think it’s an inside job, just a waste of time though.

[Sylar]

It really isn't.

Anyone might change their mind based on new evidence being available (it's possible that some juicy government secrets might be revealed after 30 years or whatever it is).

Nobody is going to change their mind on existing evidence.


Right, if new evidence emerges then possibly people will change there minds. Based on what we have today, if your minds made up, not much will change it. I could rattle off a good 20 solid reasons and facts why I think it’s an inside job, just a waste of time though.

Except, that's wrong. Completely and utterly wrong.

The evidence is there. It's published wide and far - by world leading engineers, scientists and materials specialists. Technical experts who have conducted extensive research into the mechanics of 9/11 and published it in peer-reviewed journal articles/firm reports/insurance documentation etc.

It's not that the evidence isn't there. It's that the average person who believes the 9/11 conspiracy narrative doesn't have i) the inclination to look at the evidence, or ii) the intellect to understand it, and would rather say that "experts are wrong" because it doesn't fit their world view. It's positively Trumpian.

[jonty]

Except, that's wrong. Completely and utterly wrong.

The evidence is there. It's published wide and far - by world leading engineers, scientists and materials specialists. Technical experts who have conducted extensive research into the mechanics of 9/11 and published it in peer-reviewed journal articles/firm reports/insurance documentation etc.

It's not that the evidence isn't there. It's that the average person who believes the 9/11 conspiracy narrative doesn't have i) the inclination to look at the evidence, or ii) the intellect to understand it, and would rather say that "experts are wrong" because it doesn't fit their world view. It's positively Trumpian.

Substitute climate change, (and to some degree) Brexit etc

[The Green Goblin]

I think there was a suspicion of something in advance of 9/11 but for whatever reason, it was ignored, sidelined or most likely underestimated out of complacency.

I think Dr. David Kelly was murdered. MP Norman Baker’s book “The Strange Death of David Kelly” is convincing on this point. I strongly recommend it.

[SteveHFC]

As others have mentioned. Something very dodgy about 9/11.

[Moulin Yarns]

As others have mentioned. Something very dodgy about 9/11.

Yes, it should be 11/9

[matty_f]

Except, that's wrong. Completely and utterly wrong.

The evidence is there. It's published wide and far - by world leading engineers, scientists and materials specialists. Technical experts who have conducted extensive research into the mechanics of 9/11 and published it in peer-reviewed journal articles/firm reports/insurance documentation etc.

It's not that the evidence isn't there. It's that the average person who believes the 9/11 conspiracy narrative doesn't have i) the inclination to look at the evidence, or ii) the intellect to understand it, and would rather say that "experts are wrong" because it doesn't fit their world view. It's positively Trumpian.

100% agree with this.

[Smartie]

Except, that's wrong. Completely and utterly wrong.

The evidence is there. It's published wide and far - by world leading engineers, scientists and materials specialists. Technical experts who have conducted extensive research into the mechanics of 9/11 and published it in peer-reviewed journal articles/firm reports/insurance documentation etc.

It's not that the evidence isn't there. It's that the average person who believes the 9/11 conspiracy narrative doesn't have i) the inclination to look at the evidence, or ii) the intellect to understand it, and would rather say that "experts are wrong" because it doesn't fit their world view. It's positively Trumpian.

When I say "new evidence" this could work either way.

Conspiracy theories normally exist because there is some sort of grey area that can be exploited. Evidence may emerge that knocks the conspiracy theory out of the park therefore folk on that side may have to change their mind.

I just quoted the emergence of new evidence as this is something that may happen. I believe the official explanation of 9/11, but we don't know what might be being withheld for our own benefit.

Th release of official documents and information decades later always fascinates me.

[Lester B]

Except, that's wrong. Completely and utterly wrong.

The evidence is there. It's published wide and far - by world leading engineers, scientists and materials specialists. Technical experts who have conducted extensive research into the mechanics of 9/11 and published it in peer-reviewed journal articles/firm reports/insurance documentation etc.

It's not that the evidence isn't there. It's that the average person who believes the 9/11 conspiracy narrative doesn't have i) the inclination to look at the evidence, or ii) the intellect to understand it, and would rather say that "experts are wrong" because it doesn't fit their world view. It's positively Trumpian.

Spot on. This is a fascinating thread in that some people who have posted on here have revealed that they are genuine wearers of the old tin foil hat.

[Lester B]

Right, if new evidence emerges then possibly people will change there minds. Based on what we have today, if your minds made up, not much will change it. I could rattle off a good 20 solid reasons and facts why I think it’s an inside job, just a waste of time though.

Why is it a waste of time if these are 'facts' [sic]. Go on; rattle them off. No pressure, make it 10 instead of 20 if you prefer

[DetroitHibs]

Why is it a waste of time if these are 'facts' [sic]. Go on; rattle them off. No pressure, make it 10 instead of 20 if you prefer

I’ll rattle five of the top of my head. I watched a bunch of documentary’s years ago, really don’t fancy going down that rabbit hole again. From second hand accounts and some very suspect coincidences, I just don’t buy the official line. Feel free to fact check these, it’s been a while since watching these videos. Biggest flag for me is four.

1. Larry Silverstein bought terrorism insurance on the buildings a month before the attack

2. Building 7 was reported live to have collapsed, but can be clearly seen in the background and didn’t collapse for another 20 minutes after it being reported.

3. Official report says no black boxes were recovered, yet an intact passport from the flight was found.

4. The day before the attacks Donald Rumsfeld issues a statement saying they can not trace 2.3 trillion that has gone missing from the Pentagon. The following day the accounts department at the Pentagon are blown up.

5. Aviation experts and demolition experts both refute the skills to fly a plane in to the pentagon at that level and the marks left by the plane. The hole in the side of the pentagon doesn’t match that of a 767. The nose would have disintegrated and the holes would have been two holes left by the engines. Given that one of the most secure buildings in the world still can’t release video of the plane, I don’t believe it.

[Sylar]

I’ll rattle five of the top of my head. I watched a bunch of documentary’s years ago, really don’t fancy going down that rabbit hole again. From second hand accounts and some very suspect coincidences, I just don’t buy the official line. Feel free to fact check these, it’s been a while since watching these videos. Biggest flag for me is four.

1. Larry Silverstein bought terrorism insurance on the buildings a month before the attack

2. Building 7 was reported live to have collapsed, but can be clearly seen in the background and didn’t collapse for another 20 minutes after it being reported.

3. Official report says no black boxes were recovered, yet an intact passport from the flight was found.

4. The day before the attacks Donald Rumsfeld issues a statement saying they can not trace 2.3 trillion that has gone missing from the Pentagon. The following day the accounts department at the Pentagon are blown up.

5. Aviation experts and demolition experts both refute the skills to fly a plane in to the pentagon at that level and the marks left by the plane. The hole in the side of the pentagon doesn’t match that of a 767. The nose would have disintegrated and the holes would have been two holes left by the engines. Given that one of the most secure buildings in the world still can’t release video of the plane, I don’t believe it.

Too tired to do all of them, but Silverstein purchased the lease to the WTC in June as part of a consortium of buyers (also including Westgate and a subsidiary of General Motors). There was no "separate" insurance policy that he purchased to cover terrorism specifically. He simply was obligated to renew the policy once he took over leaseholding - the decision on the type of policy would have bee a board decision, and pre-9/11, most insurance policies on commercial properties covered terrorism as a matter of course because the likelihood of major attacks were so remote.

Also, following the 1993 bombing, why would it be a surprise that a new leaseholder on the property would take an insurance policy that included terrorism damages, against a building that was clear target for terrorists? It would have been pretty ****ing awful due dilligence if he HADN'T taken a policy that included it (at no extra cost).

Again, this evidence is readily available on line for those that can be bothered looking.

[Lester B]

Too tired to do all of them, but Silverstein purchased the lease to the WTC in June as part of a consortium of buyers (also including Westgate and a subsidiary of General Motors). There was no "separate" insurance policy that he purchased to cover terrorism specifically. He simply was obligated to renew the policy once he took over leaseholding - the decision on the type of policy would have bee a board decision, and pre-9/11, most insurance policies on commercial properties covered terrorism as a matter of course because the likelihood of major attacks were so remote.

Also, following the 1993 bombing, why would it be a surprise that a new leaseholder on the property would take an insurance policy that included terrorism damages, against a building that was clear target for terrorists? It would have been pretty ****ing awful due dilligence if he HADN'T taken a policy that included it (at no extra cost).

Again, this evidence is readily available on line for those that can be bothered looking.

If you're too tired I'll take a couple.

2. Building 7. This was reported as having collapsed by one news outlet. It was still standing. It collapsed later. What does this prove? Precisely nothing beyond the fact that confusion can reign in live news reporting. If it was announced before it had collapsed then your narrative appears to be that people knew it was going to collapse? I'm confused. Building 7 is standing, it's reported to have collapsed. What on earth do you think that proves?

4. Rumsfeld. This one is so tired. Rumsfeld complained on 10 September that government accounting practice wasn't working properly with particular reference to technology. No mention of money missing but that they couldn't track, by some estimates, 2.3 trillion dollars. That's a complaint about how bad the government accounting system is and how there isn't a full audit trail for government expenditure. That is a very different thing from we have lost 2.3 trillion dollars. So it wasn't a terrorist attack but an extreme alternative to a shredder??

[RyeSloan]

Looks like the pentagon needs another terrorist attack

https://www.thenation.com/article/pentagon-audit-budget-fraud/

To somehow suggest 9/11 was a cover up for Pentagon accounting irregularities is just laughable...they have had those irregularities for ever and still to this day are unable / unwilling to evidence where their spending goes...no conspiracy theories required.

[Mon Dieu4]

The only part of 9/11 I could feasibly see as being part of a conspiracy is that I could actually see the passports or some evidence being planted to support the end goal, even that is stretching it a bit far and being totally cynical.

I think that when something so massive happens that some people can't accept the rational explanation and have to try and explain it with more fanciful theories.

That's not to say that there isn't genuine dodgy stuff going on that doesn't get covered up, but as people have said previously, far too many people would have to be involved for it to have been an inside job, also with the amount of international spying/espionage that goes on the sure the Russians etc would have caught wind of it and announced it to everyone.

I go down the rabbit hole every now and then too and although I know the moon landings happened and don't dispute it I like the idea that the footage of it was faked and Kubrick directed it and left messages about it in his other work.

[Hibbyradge]

Why would they bother to plant a passport?

The passenger manifest would have the names of everyone on board.

Why would Rumsfeld have bothered to announce a "missing" $2.3trillion if he knew it was about to be "taken care of"?

Can you imagine the number of people who would have to be in on the secret?

How would it have been possible to recruit folk into their nefarious scheme without encountering a single soul with a conscience who objected to the murder of thousands of people?

[Just Alf]

If you're too tired I'll take a couple.

2. Building 7. This was reported as having collapsed by one news outlet. It was still standing. It collapsed later. What does this prove? Precisely nothing beyond the fact that confusion can reign in live news reporting. If it was announced before it had collapsed then your narrative appears to be that people knew it was going to collapse? I'm confused. Building 7 is standing, it's reported to have collapsed. What on earth do you think that proves?

4. Rumsfeld. This one is so tired. Rumsfeld complained on 10 September that government accounting practice wasn't working properly with particular reference to technology. No mention of money missing but that they couldn't track, by some estimates, 2.3 trillion dollars. That's a complaint about how bad the government accounting system is and how there isn't a full audit trail for government expenditure. That is a very different thing from we have lost 2.3 trillion dollars. So it wasn't a terrorist attack but an extreme alternative to a shredder??Agree re 2. I'm sure it was the BBC, they did a piece on it and showed that it was a mix up between one of the off camera guys and what the presenter heard in his ear piece.

5. There's already been cctv (from a gate house) that shows the aircraft hit a tall post on the way in and had lost a wing before it reached the building.

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[Lester B]

The only part of 9/11 I could feasibly see as being part of a conspiracy is that I could actually see the passports or some evidence being planted to support the end goal, even that is stretching it a bit far and being totally cynical.

I think that when something so massive happens that some people can't accept the rational explanation and have to try and explain it with more fanciful theories.

That's not to say that there isn't genuine dodgy stuff going on that doesn't get covered up, but as people have said previously, far too many people would have to be involved for it to have been an inside job, also with the amount of international spying/espionage that goes on the sure the Russians etc would have caught wind of it and announced it to everyone.

I go down the rabbit hole every now and then too and although I know the moon landings happened and don't dispute it I like the idea that the footage of it was faked and Kubrick directed it and left messages about it in his other work.

The best version of this is that Kubrick did film the moon landings but he was so meticulous in his detail he insisted on doing it on location!!

[Callum_62]

Agree re 2. I'm sure it was the BBC, they did a piece on it and showed that it was a mix up between one of the off camera guys and what the presenter heard in his ear piece.

5. There's already been cctv (from a gate house) that shows the aircraft hit a tall post on the way in and had lost a wing before it reached the building.

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Where was the wing found?

[lapsedhibee]

Conspiracy theories normally exist because there is some sort of grey area that can be exploited.

What's the grey area that Flat Earthers are exploiting?

[Lester B]

Where was the wing found?

It shattered as did the whole plane. This isn't difficult. It's an unstoppable force and an immovable object

[Lester B]

What's the grey area that Flat Earthers are exploiting?

Now that is a very good question!

[Caversham Green]

On fire for a length of time means nothing - name me another modern day building that has been “totally” destroyed by fire? Infact show me any building collapse within its own footprint?

On the heat point tho - explain the untouched grass outside the pentagon

We are led to believe the fire was so intense in the WTC that it brought down 2 buildings, but with same scenario at the pentagon and the lawn looks better than mine! [emoji23]. Ofcourse the passport survived tho? [emoji848]

I just wish the whole thing was more transparent - why not release proper CCTV at the pentagon? Why confiscate the cctv in the first place?


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There's examples of buildings collapsing into their own footprint, along with an explanation of how it happens here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsjfSG69Pik&t=2s .

The passport was found (along with wreckage from the front section of the aircraft and body parts from its occupants) some distance from the towers, the theory being that the front went through the building, came out the other side and momentum carried it clear of the fires as the fuel tanks were in the wings. Some of the footage would support that theory.

On other conspiracy thoeries:

Marilyn Monroe - Given her association with the Kennedy brothers it's quite feasible that she was eliminated, but just as likely that she simply overdosed - I'm 50/50 on that one.
JFK - My view is that Lee Harvey Oswald did fire the gun but he was not acting alone as we have been led to believe. His army training appears to have been downplayed and his own subsequent murder could suggest that he knew things that people didn't want to get out.
Moon Landings - The Americans and Russians had been sending people into space for a decade, we saw the rockets taking off and we saw film footage from space. We also saw the capsules coming back to earth. On the other hand faking it would need a large number of technicians to build the movie set and film the event, they would have had to obtain the materials from somewhere and none of them would ever have to mention the operation. 100% not faked IMO.
Diana - It seems likely that certain people wanted rid of her but a car crash is by no means a sure way of killing someone and it depended a lot on her not fastening her seatbelt and the driver deciding to drive at high speed - unless he was in on the conspiracy and didn't mind killing himself. Possible but highly unlikely.
David Kelly - I was 100% sure he had been murdered at the time, but subsequent information about his personality and state of mind make me less sure. Another 50/50 for me.
Flat Earth - It's beyond my powers of reasoning to understand how anyone could believe that.

There are anomalies that are difficult to explain in many cases, but they don't become any easier to explain under any alternative scenarios and don't of themselves prove anything other than that they are difficult to explain.

[Hibrandenburg]

What's the grey area that Flat Earthers are exploiting?

I think it's more grey "matter" or lack of that they are exploiting.

[Callum_62]

It shattered as did the whole plane. This isn't difficult. It's an unstoppable forces and immovable object

But apparently theres a video showing the plane hitting the building minus a wing

If the wing detached before impact theres must be some relatively extensive damage to the surrounding area - or largest pieces of wing

Ive quickly googled for that video but cant find anything that shows the plane hitting


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[Callum_62]

It shattered as did the whole plane. This isn't difficult. It's an unstoppable forces and immovable object

But apparently theres a video showing the plane hitting the building minus a wing

If the wing detached before impact theres must be some relatively extensive damage to the surrounding area - or larger pieces of wing

Ive quickly googled for that video but cant find anything that shows the plane hitting


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[Hibrandenburg]

But apparently theres a video showing the plane hitting the building minus a wing

If the wing detached before impact theres must be some relatively extensive damage to the surrounding area - or larger pieces of wing

Ive quickly googled for that video but cant find anything that shows the plane hitting


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Careful mate, you're double posting, CIA are obviously onto you. :wink:

[Lester B]

But apparently theres a video showing the plane hitting the building minus a wing

If the wing detached before impact theres must be some relatively extensive damage to the surrounding area - or larger pieces of wing

Ive quickly googled for that video but cant find anything that shows the plane hitting


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It wasn't me who said the wing was off before it hit the building. Most of the debris was inside the building as the plane shattered on impact. Some debris was found further away presumably due to the force of the explosion. The hole on the building was large enough for the plane. The missing wings theory is one of the more outlandish of the conspiracy theories on the Pentagon. It's not quite as bizarre as the guy who claims the Twin Towers planes were holograms but it's a sliding scale/spectrum.

It does beg the question; What's your theory? Because people saying they are not convinced inevitably begs for an alternative explanation. I've heard missile before but that seems to be dependant upon someone in the Pentagon ordering staff to pop outside and to the crash site and quickly scatter those parts of a plane they got in the post earlier in the week

[Mon Dieu4]

Got to say now that Epstein has committed "suicide" this has all the hallmarks of a good one, guy could implicate the president, royals, members of the elite etc and is on suicide watch but manages to hang himself

[NAE NOOKIE]

Got to say now that Epstein has committed "suicide" this has all the hallmarks of a good one, guy could implicate the president, royals, members of the elite etc and is on suicide watch but manages to hang himself

Aye, very handy for some folk … The royals have got some luck eh, the mother of the future king / head of state about to possibly marry a Muslim gets wiped in a tragic accident and now a guy who could finger prince Andrew in a very nasty and public way kills himself … even though he could afford the worlds best and most expensive legal council … they should do the lottery that lot.

Isn't it funny how the closer you are to the 'elite' the more chance you have of killing yourself or having a nasty accident. Its a bit like how the guy who alleged the paedophile ring operating within the corridors of power ended up having child porn on his computer himself and is now doing 18 years. No matter how much the evidence piled up against him I cant deny there's a wee part of me that still wonders.

The truth is I wouldn't put anything past the folk in power in this country when it comes to protecting their positions and their determination to preserve the status quo … I genuinely think murder and falsifying evidence is far from beyond them and from that POV I'm all for conspiracy theories.

[lapsedhibee]

Aye, very handy for some folk … The royals have got some luck eh, the mother of the future king / head of state about to possibly marry a Muslim gets wiped in a tragic accident and now a guy who could finger prince Andrew in a very nasty and public way kills himself … even though he could afford the worlds best and most expensive legal council … they should do the lottery that lot.

Isn't it funny how the closer you are to the 'elite' the more chance you have of killing yourself or having a nasty accident. Its a bit like how the guy who alleged the paedophile ring operating within the corridors of power ended up having child porn on his computer himself and is now doing 18 years. No matter how much the evidence piled up against him I cant deny there's a wee part of me that still wonders.

The truth is I wouldn't put anything past the folk in power in this country when it comes to protecting their positions and their determination to preserve the status quo … I genuinely think murder and falsifying evidence is far from beyond them and from that POV I'm all for conspiracy theories.

Agree, but what can you do about it when they're shape-shifting lizards? :dunno:

[Cataplana]

I doubt a narcissist like him would ever commit suicide. Would have believed he was untouchable and would be waiting for it all to blow over.

[Fife-Hibee]

"Conspiracy Theory" was a term coined back in the day to ridicule anybody for asking too many questions.

Government is a very well organized gang working for a larger gang that you never hear about.

[Fife-Hibee]

Isn't it funny how the closer you are to the 'elite' the more chance you have of killing yourself or having a nasty accident. Its a bit like how the guy who alleged the paedophile ring operating within the corridors of power ended up having child porn on his computer himself and is now doing 18 years. No matter how much the evidence piled up against him I cant deny there's a wee part of me that still wonders.

You have to wonder. Why on earth would somebody who views and collects such material bring themselves to the attention of the authorities by falsely accusing others of similar/more severe crimes? It doesn't make any sense.

[DetroitHibs]

He was whacked no doubt about it. Not a peep from him or his lawyer in the media leading up to this. Then you have a case like R Kelly where there’s tons of information and talk from the accused and legal team.

[The Modfather]

Talking of conspiracy theories, I’ve never really understand the ire some folk have around Paul McCartney apparently dying and being replaced. Even if that was true, so what. The doppelgänger that replaced the ”real” McCartney turned out to be one of the greatest artists of all time.

[Cataplana]

Talking of conspiracy theories, I’ve never really understand the ire some folk have around Paul McCartney apparently dying and being replaced. Even if that was true, so what. The doppelgänger that replaced the ”real” McCartney turned out to be one of the greatest artists of all time.

You know where you can "ram" that theory.

Edit: sorry, there should be a smiley with that, but hopefully you'll get the joke.

[heretoday]

Talking of conspiracy theories, I’ve never really understand the ire some folk have around Paul McCartney apparently dying and being replaced. Even if that was true, so what. The doppelgänger that replaced the ”real” McCartney turned out to be one of the greatest artists of all time.

Same hair, same voice. Everything.

[lord bunberry]

I watched Fahrenheit 11/9 last night. It was a decent watch, but it definitely shows what a ****ed up country America is.

[MrRobot]

If you were in on a cover up, would you deny it over and over or would you start a conspiracy theory about it, making it as outlandish as possible so that ultimately it is considered nonsense and deflects the truth?

9/11 may not be as simple as the American government crashed planes/blew up the buildings. I dont believe they done that; however I dont believe the official story either.

[Smartie]

I watched Fahrenheit 11/9 last night. It was a decent watch, but it definitely shows what a ****ed up country America is.

Is that the Michael Moore film?

Edit - I was thinking of Fanhrenheit 9/11 and din't know that Michael Moore had brought out another film last year called Fahrenheit 11/9.

Was it any good?

I remember going to the cinema to see 9/11 on my tod, the only time I've done that.

And I did my higher English book review on Ray Bradbury's book of the same name. Wonderful book, scary how much of it you can relate to have having actually gone to happen in some way.

[Cataplana]

If you were in on a cover up, would you deny it over and over or would you start a conspiracy theory about it, making it as outlandish as possible so that ultimately it is considered nonsense and deflects the truth?

9/11 may not be as simple as the American government crashed planes/blew up the buildings. I dont believe they done that; however I dont believe the official story either.

Along the lines of all the UFO sightings in the 50s?

[lord bunberry]

Is that the Michael Moore film?

Edit - I was thinking of Fanhrenheit 9/11 and din't know that Michael Moore had brought out another film last year called Fahrenheit 11/9.

Was it any good?

I remember going to the cinema to see 9/11 on my tod, the only time I've done that.

And I did my higher English book review on Ray Bradbury's book of the same name. Wonderful book, scary how much of it you can relate to have having actually gone to happen in some way.
I enjoyed it. It was mostly about Trump, but it had a really interesting and appalling sub story about the poisoning of the water in Flint.

[Mon Dieu4]

I enjoyed it. It was mostly about Trump, but it had a really interesting and appalling sub story about the poisoning of the water in Flint.

The Flint story and just how much Sanders got ****ed over were my main takes from it

[Fife-Hibee]

If you were in on a cover up, would you deny it over and over or would you start a conspiracy theory about it, making it as outlandish as possible so that ultimately it is considered nonsense and deflects the truth?

9/11 may not be as simple as the American government crashed planes/blew up the buildings. I dont believe they done that; however I dont believe the official story either.

There's one thing in particular that is obvious. George W. Bush knew about the attacks before he was "informed".

[lord bunberry]

The Flint story and just how much Sanders got ****ed over were my main takes from it
The whole Sanders thing was something I wasn’t aware off and after watching the film I still didn’t really understand what happened. It said he won all 55 counties, but then something changed and he didn’t get the nomination. It didn’t go into huge detail about what actually happened.
The Flint story if true is disgusting.

[stoneyburn hibs]

The whole Sanders thing was something I wasn’t aware off and after watching the film I still didn’t really understand what happened. It said he won all 55 counties, but then something changed and he didn’t get the nomination. It didn’t go into huge detail about what actually happened.
The Flint story if true is disgusting.

There's a documentary specifically on Flint and the contaminated water, watched it a while back but can't remember the name.

[DetroitHibs]

Could be an event in the next 10 days regarding a member of the Royal Family :dead:..... Watch the space :wink:

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Could be an event in the next 10 days regarding a member of the Royal Family :dead:..... Watch the space :wink:

Is this regarding alleged passengers on the Lolita express

[Hibby70]

There's a documentary specifically on Flint and the contaminated water, watched it a while back but can't remember the name.

Gasland I think.

[MrRobot]

Along the lines of all the UFO sightings in the 50s?

Is that what was happening back then, making them seem too far fetched to be true?


There's one thing in particular that is obvious. George W. Bush knew about the attacks before he was "informed".?

:agree:

[Hibbyradge]

The President of the USA was in on the plan to kill thousands of American citizens by crashing planes into 2 of New York's iconic and irreplaceable buildings?

Incredible what people want to believe. :hilarious

[overdrive]

The President of the USA was in on the plan to kill thousands of American citizens by crashing planes into 2 of New York's iconic and irreplaceable buildings?

Incredible what people want to believe. :hilarious

The logic of some of these people is astonishing. A guy I was speaking to recently believes the moon landings were faked as we can’t deal with the radiation that has to passed through to get there. He also believes that we’ve built a research facility on the dark side of the moon. How exactly did we get there to build it if we can’t get through the radiation?

[lord bunberry]

The logic of some of these people is astonishing. A guy I was speaking to recently believes the moon landings were faked as we can’t deal with the radiation that has to passed through to get there. He also believes that we’ve built a research facility on the dark side of the moon. How exactly did we get there to build it if we can’t get through the radiation?
The moon landing conspiracies are up there with the flat earth nonsense imo. Countries and amateurs all over the world were tracking them ffs.

[lapsedhibee]

The moon landing conspiracies are up there with the flat earth nonsense imo. Countries and amateurs all over the world were tracking them ffs.

Not strictly true. Only countries on the topside. You can't see the moon from the underside.

[Just Jimmy]

The moon landing conspiracies are up there with the flat earth nonsense imo. Countries and amateurs all over the world were tracking them ffs.guy i work with believes the world is flat. that the moon landings were faked and Stonehenge was built in 1956 or some other pish.

he's actually a decent bloke but he's crackers when it comes to this kind of stuff.

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[Ozyhibby]

Not strictly true. Only countries on the topside. You can't see the moon from the underside.

The Parkes radio telescope in New South Wales was used to track the Apollo space program in the Southern Hemisphere.


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[lapsedhibee]

The Parkes radio telescope in New South Wales was used to track the Apollo space program in the Southern Hemisphere.

So you globetards say.

[Fife-Hibee]

The President of the USA was in on the plan to kill thousands of American citizens by crashing planes into 2 of New York's iconic and irreplaceable buildings?

Incredible what people want to believe. :hilarious

Why not? They have previous.

[Hibbyradge]

Why not? They have previous.

Grow up.

[Fife-Hibee]

Grow up.

Clue up.

[Hibbyradge]

Clue up.

Stop making things up.

Did you find that post you said I wrote which accused you of having a mental illness yet?

Or did you make that up too?

[Fife-Hibee]

Stop making things up.

Did you find that post you said I wrote which accused you of having a mental illness yet?

Or did you make that up too?

If i'm making it up, then surely it should be straight forward to disprove my point. But you know you can't. The weight of evidence is firmly on my side.

You know full well which post i'm referring to. But no doubt you'll try and claim that it's not a mental illness or some other BS to worm your way out of it, so i'm not going to waste my time on it any futher.

[lord bunberry]

Not strictly true. Only countries on the topside. You can't see the moon from the underside.
Yes but the the moon landings lasted more than 24 hours meaning that both hemispheres were able to either track or confirm they happened.

[Hibbyradge]

If i'm making it up, then surely it should be straight forward to disprove my point. But you know you can't. The weight of evidence is firmly on my side.



:faf:

Once again, you make ridiculous statements and challenge people to disprove them. "They've got previous" Prove me wrong. Hahahaha! Childish antagonism at its best. Just one of your usual trolling techniques.




You know full well which post i'm referring to. But no doubt you'll try and claim that it's not a mental illness or some other BS to worm your way out of it, so i'm not going to waste my time on it any futher.

You haven't spent any time on it though because you know that you can't find any such post from me because you made it up to try to play the victim.

It really is pathetic. You're so needy. I'm actually starting to feel sorry for you.

[McD]

If i'm making it up, then surely it should be straight forward to disprove my point. But you know you can't. The weight of evidence is firmly on my side.

You know full well which post i'm referring to. But no doubt you'll try and claim that it's not a mental illness or some other BS to worm your way out of it, so i'm not going to waste my time on it any futher.


If the weight of evidence is on your side, then prove YOUR point. You won’t of course, you’ll just disappear for a few days then come back as if the conversation never happened, just like the example below with Hibbyradge.



:faf:

Once again, you make ridiculous statements and challenge people to disprove them. "They've got previous" Prove me wrong. Hahahaha! Childish antagonism at its best. Just one of your usual trolling techniques.



You haven't spent any time on it though because you know that you can't find any such post from me because you made it up to try to play the victim.

It really is pathetic. You're so needy. I'm actually starting to feel sorry for you.


:agree: exactly. Happens every time.

[Fife-Hibee]

:faf:

Once again, you make ridiculous statements and challenge people to disprove them. "They've got previous" Prove me wrong. Hahahaha! Childish antagonism at its best. Just one of your usual trolling techniques.



You haven't spent any time on it though because you know that you can't find any such post from me because you made it up to try to play the victim.

It really is pathetic. You're so needy. I'm actually starting to feel sorry for you.

What's that? You can't disprove my points? Well i'm utterly shocked.

No, not really.

[Hibbyradge]

What's that? You can't disprove my points? Well i'm utterly shocked.

No, not really.

:faf:

"They've got previous.

Prove me wrong."

You haven't got any points!

[Cataplana]

What's that? You can't disprove my points? Well i'm utterly shocked.

No, not really.

That is the get out of jail card that every conspiracy theorist falls back on. It is actually the same thing as a white flag.

I can't disprove that you just ate two bacon rolls, therefore it must have happened.

Wish I was better at maths, but I am pretty sure your equations just don't balance.

[Hibbyradge]

That is the get out of jail card that every conspiracy theorist falls back on. It is actually the same thing as a white flag.

I can't disprove that you just ate two bacon rolls, therefore it must have happened.

Wish I was better at maths, but I am pretty sure your equations just don't balance.

"Prove to me that the President of the USA wasn't complicit in the World Trade Center attacks."

:faf:

Excellent trolling, although the childish desperation for attention does make me feel a sense of pity.

[Fife-Hibee]

That is the get out of jail card that every conspiracy theorist falls back on. It is actually the same thing as a white flag.

I can't disprove that you just ate two bacon rolls, therefore it must have happened.

Wish I was better at maths, but I am pretty sure your equations just don't balance.

If you can't prove your own conspiracy theories, then you have no right to shoot down anybody elses.

My personal favourite is the conspiracy that a man in a cave in a 3rd world country was able to get the better of a country with the highest defence budget in the world. Surely only complete whack jobs would believe that one eh?

[Hibbyradge]

If you can't prove your own conspiracy theories, then you have no right to shoot down anybody elses.

My personal favourite is the conspiracy that a man in a cave in a 3rd world country was able to get the better of a country with the highest defence budget in the world. Surely only complete whack jobs would believe that one eh?

I'm with you.

Prove to me that George Bush didn't coordinate the attacks.

Bin Laden only said he was responsible for a laugh. He didn't expect anyone to actually believe him.

I wonder why he was hiding in a cave. Nae need really.

[Ozyhibby]

If you can't prove your own conspiracy theories, then you have no right to shoot down anybody elses.

My personal favourite is the conspiracy that a man in a cave in a 3rd world country was able to get the better of a country with the highest defence budget in the world. Surely only complete whack jobs would believe that one eh?

Did he get the better of them?


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[Fife-Hibee]

I'm with you.

Prove to me that George Bush didn't coordinate the attacks.

I can't. Neither can you.


Bin Laden only said he was responsible for a laugh. He didn't expect anyone to actually believe him.

I don't recall ever seeing or hearing him admit to the attacks. It may have been claimed that he did by MSM and echoed by the papers. But i've yet to witness any direct evidence of his admittance.


I wonder why he was hiding in a cave. Nae need really.

Where would you hide in a 3rd world country if you knew the most powerful country in the world was thirsting for blood?

[Fife-Hibee]

Did he get the better of them?


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No. Because that would require me to be foolish enough to believe that he had anything to do with it.

[Pretty Boy]

Was Bin Laden hiding in a cave? Was he not eventually found in a detached house in the suburbs of a Pakistani city, a space he was reported to have occupied for several years?

[Killiehibbie]

If you can't prove your own conspiracy theories, then you have no right to shoot down anybody elses.

My personal favourite is the conspiracy that a man in a cave in a 3rd world country was able to get the better of a country with the highest defence budget in the world. Surely only complete whack jobs would believe that one eh?

For a minute I thought you were talking about Robert The Bruce.

[Hibbyradge]

I can't. Neither can you.



Indeed not. That's why I said I was with you.

I also agree that unless Bin Laden comes back from the dead (although he's probably still alive) and tells me to my face that he was involved, I refuse to believe any source like the media, even if it is Al Jazeera.

Mon the conspiracy.

[Cataplana]

If you can't prove your own conspiracy theories, then you have no right to shoot down anybody elses.

My personal favourite is the conspiracy that a man in a cave in a 3rd world country was able to get the better of a country with the highest defence budget in the world. Surely only complete whack jobs would believe that one eh?

You can't disprove that I can't prove my conspiracy theories though, can you?

My personal favourite is that there Fife schools were infiltrated by mind altering aliens in the 1970s, and have been playing with the logic synapses of carefully selected and susceptible pupils since, by promising them greatness if they are able to get more than 100,000 replies to social media posts. You eat far too much Camenbert before bedtime, my friend.

The one after that is whether there was a man in a cave at all.

[Lester B]

You can't disprove that I can't prove my conspiracy theories though, can you?

My personal favourite is that there Fife schools were infiltrated by mind altering aliens in the 1970s, and have been playing with the logic synapses of carefully selected and susceptible pupils since, by promising them greatness if they are able to get more than 100,000 replies to social media posts. You eat far too much Camenbert before bedtime, my friend.

The one after that is whether there was a man in a cave at all.

Now wait a minute here.

You can’t prove that he can’t disprove that you can’t prove your conspiracy theories.

You may have a point about the cheese though but you can’t prove it.

[Cataplana]

Now wait a minute here.

You can’t prove that he can’t disprove that you can’t prove your conspiracy theories.

You may have a point about the cheese though but you can’t prove it.

He can't disprove it, short of filming himself in the hours leading up to bed, even then how do we know that what looks like a bowl of Frosties is not in fact Camenbert altered by CGI to look like a popular breakfast cereal (and bedtime snack.)

[Lester B]

He can't disprove it, short of filming himself in the hours leading up to bed, even then how do we know that what looks like a bowl of Frosties is not in fact Camenbert altered by CGI to look like a popular breakfast cereal (and bedtime snack.)

And how would we know it's a bed. Could be a cave made into a hologram by the Deep State?

[Cataplana]

And how would we know it's a bed. Could be a cave made into a hologram by the Deep State?

To think people get mocked for thoughts like that!

[Haymaker]

Was Bin Laden hiding in a cave? Was he not eventually found in a detached house in the suburbs of a Pakistani city, a space he was reported to have occupied for several years?

He was although that house wasn't built until well after the invasion of Afghanistan.

Before the twin towers fell he was probably living in a house in Afghanistan seeing as the Taliban government were hosting him and his group.

[Lester B]

To think people get mocked for thoughts like that!

I know. Imagine

[MrRobot]

The President of the USA was in on the plan to kill thousands of American citizens by crashing planes into 2 of New York's iconic and irreplaceable buildings?

Incredible what people want to believe. :hilarious

Not sure anybody said he was in on a plan to kill thousands of citizens and bring down the iconic NY buildings using planes - thats just a generalised outlandish summary of it to make people who question it look a bit silly (something a conspirer would do :wink:)

Most people who i've spoken to about it doubt that he wasn't aware of an attack on US soil. He may have been warned and failed to act, either through being incompetent at his job or he believed an attack would allow a response, 'for the greater good'. Key word being MAY; none of us know what actually happened so can't say one way or the other.

There are rumours that Britain knew about Coventry getting bombed to **** during WW2, but Churchill couldnt deter it without giving away we had broken the Enigma code. I also believe that Churchill sank a French Naval fleet during WW2 to prevent Germany capturing those ships, killing over 1000 French soldiers.

It's not about 'what people want to believe'; some people just question the truth they have been told, and quite rightly so.

[Hibbyradge]

Not sure anybody said he was in on a plan to kill thousands of citizens and bring down the iconic NY buildings using planes - thats just a generalised outlandish summary of it to make people who question it look a bit silly (something a conspirer would do :wink:)

Most people who i've spoken to about it doubt that he wasn't aware of an attack on US soil. He may have been warned and failed to act, either through being incompetent at his job or he believed an attack would allow a response, 'for the greater good'. Key word being MAY; none of us know what actually happened so can't say one way or the other.

There are rumours that Britain knew about Coventry getting bombed to **** during WW2, but Churchill couldnt deter it without giving away we had broken the Enigma code. I also believe that Churchill sank a French Naval fleet during WW2 to prevent Germany capturing those ships, killing over 1000 French soldiers.

It's not about 'what people want to believe'; some people just question the truth they have been told, and quite rightly so.

Questioning what they've been told is one thing, but they're also making up the answers.

If there was going to be an attack against the US, it wouldn't need the President's permission to repel it. We do know what happened. A number of terrorists hijacked a number of jets and flew them into, and at, important American buildings.

Of course the President didn't know. If he, or the US security services had known, they would have stopped the attack. It's ludicrous to believe otherwise.

The suggestion that they would sacrifice thousands of American lives and risk untold damage to the country's economy in order to justify a war in Afghanistan is preposterous.

What kind of a mind could imagine that?

[MrRobot]

Was Bin Laden hiding in a cave? Was he not eventually found in a detached house in the suburbs of a Pakistani city, a space he was reported to have occupied for several years?

TBF, that was some hideout he had.

[MrRobot]

Questioning what they've been told is one thing, but they're also making up the answers.

If there was going to be an attack against the US, it wouldn't need the President's permission to repel it.we do know what happened. A number of terrorists hijacked a number of jets and flew them into, and at, important American buildings.

Of course the President didn't know. If he, or the US security services had known, they would have stopped the attack. It's ludicrous to believe otherwise.

The suggestion that they would sacrifice thousands of American lives and risk untold damage to the country's economy in order to justify a war in Afghanistan is preposterous.

What kind of a mind could imagine that?

The first line I can partly agree with. There are some who go in with an agenda they want to believe and will overlook evidence to fit that. Myself, I love conspiracy theories. Do I believe the majority of them? Course not, but I do like to see things from a different perspective. I also like to see how ridiculous some of them are, such as flat earth.

In response to the part in bold, there is evidence to suggest that America were aware Japan were planning an attack 3 days before Pearl Harbour happened, yet they failed to act. Again, not saying they were in on the attack, just that they didn't act.

[Hibbyradge]

The first line I can partly agree with. There are some who go in with an agenda they want to believe and will overlook evidence to fit that. Myself, I love conspiracy theories. Do I believe the majority of them? Course not, but I do like to see things from a different perspective. I also like to see how ridiculous some of them are, such as flat earth.

In response to the part in bold, there is evidence to suggest that America were aware Japan were planning an attack 3 days before Pearl Harbour happened, yet they failed to act. Again, not saying they were in on the attack, just that they didn't act.

I've only ever read conspiracy theorists saying that. All the credible historians say the opposite.

Japan didn't declare war on the USA until it attacked Pearl Harbor.

That was a deliverate tactic used to keep the American military in the dark. They didn't expect it, and they literally didn't see it coming.

[Lester B]

Questioning what they've been told is one thing, but they're also making up the answers.

If there was going to be an attack against the US, it wouldn't need the President's permission to repel it. We do know what happened. A number of terrorists hijacked a number of jets and flew them into, and at, important American buildings.

Of course the President didn't know. If he, or the US security services had known, they would have stopped the attack. It's ludicrous to believe otherwise.

The suggestion that they would sacrifice thousands of American lives and risk untold damage to the country's economy in order to justify a war in Afghanistan is preposterous.

What kind of a mind could imagine that?

:hmmm: :wink:

[lapsedhibee]

There are rumours that Britain knew about Coventry getting bombed to **** during WW2, but Churchill couldnt deter it without giving away we had broken the Enigma code. I also believe that Churchill sank a French Naval fleet during WW2 to prevent Germany capturing those ships, killing over 1000 French soldiers.
Don't have any difficulty at all imagining one or both of those claims to be true.

[Cataplana]

Not sure anybody said he was in on a plan to kill thousands of citizens and bring down the iconic NY buildings using planes - thats just a generalised outlandish summary of it to make people who question it look a bit silly (something a conspirer would do :wink:)

Most people who i've spoken to about it doubt that he wasn't aware of an attack on US soil. He may have been warned and failed to act, either through being incompetent at his job or he believed an attack would allow a response, 'for the greater good'. Key word being MAY; none of us know what actually happened so can't say one way or the other.

There are rumours that Britain knew about Coventry getting bombed to **** during WW2, but Churchill couldnt deter it without giving away we had broken the Enigma code. I also believe that Churchill sank a French Naval fleet during WW2 to prevent Germany capturing those ships, killing over 1000 French soldiers.

It's not about 'what people want to believe'; some people just question the truth they have been told, and quite rightly so.

I know that in that film about Alan Turing, with Benedict Cumberbatch, there was a scene where one of the team tried to get them to divert a ship, but they wouldn't do it as it would reveal they had cracked the code, so the Coventry scenario is totally plausible.

Obviously a dramatic film is not evidence of anything, but it wouldn't be that unlikely that it was based on fact. Collateral damage is something that is accepted in warfare.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Who doesn't like a MIHOP or LIHOP

those conspiracy guys podcasts are quite entertaining and not always about mental things

[Cataplana]

Who doesn't like a MIHOP or LIHOP

those conspiracy guys podcasts are quite entertaining and not always about mental things

Rich Planet is a good example. A lot of the stuff is plausible, until you look at the research and certain basic assumptions that the theories are built on.

[RyeSloan]

Not sure anybody said he was in on a plan to kill thousands of citizens and bring down the iconic NY buildings using planes - thats just a generalised outlandish summary of it to make people who question it look a bit silly (something a conspirer would do :wink:)

Most people who i've spoken to about it doubt that he wasn't aware of an attack on US soil. He may have been warned and failed to act, either through being incompetent at his job or he believed an attack would allow a response, 'for the greater good'. Key word being MAY; none of us know what actually happened so can't say one way or the other.

There are rumours that Britain knew about Coventry getting bombed to **** during WW2, but Churchill couldnt deter it without giving away we had broken the Enigma code. I also believe that Churchill sank a French Naval fleet during WW2 to prevent Germany capturing those ships, killing over 1000 French soldiers.

It's not about 'what people want to believe'; some people just question the truth they have been told, and quite rightly so.

There is no conspiracy theory over the sinking of the french fleet or the killing of its men...it is known as the attack on Mers El Kébir and is a well documented event.

[Just Alf]

There is no conspiracy theory over the sinking of the french fleet or the killing of its men...it is known as the attack on Mers El Kébir and is a well documented event.Indeed.... See here

https://scottmanning.com/content/churchills-sinking-of-the-french-fleet-july-3-1940/

Churchill got a standing ovation in Parliament for it.



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[MrRobot]

I've only ever read conspiracy theorists saying that. All the credible historians say the opposite.

Japan didn't declare war on the USA until it attacked Pearl Harbor.

That was a deliverate tactic used to keep the American military in the dark. They didn't expect it, and they literally didn't see it coming.

Say what, they don’t believe all of them?

I didn’t say Japan declared war on the US before Pearl Harbour, I said the US had allegedly been warned 3 days prior that an attack was being prepared and didn’t do anything.

[McD]

If you can't prove your own conspiracy theories, then you have no right to shoot down anybody elses.

My personal favourite is the conspiracy that a man in a cave in a 3rd world country was able to get the better of a country with the highest defence budget in the world. Surely only complete whack jobs would believe that one eh?


You are the one putting forth the conspiracy theory that Bush knew about the attacks before he was ‘told’. The onus is on you to prove that, not for others to disprove your theory.

[Hibbyradge]

You are the one putting forth the conspiracy theory that Bush knew about the attacks before he was ‘told’. The onus is on you to prove that, not for others to disprove your theory.

He knows that, but now you're down the rabbit hole ...

[Hibbyradge]

Say what, they don’t believe all of them?

I didn’t say Japan declared war on the US before Pearl Harbour, I said the US had allegedly been warned 3 days prior that an attack was being prepared and didn’t do anything.

Cool.

And I said that I've only ever read conspiracy theorists saying that the US had been warned.

[Fife-Hibee]

You are the one putting forth the conspiracy theory that Bush knew about the attacks before he was ‘told’. The onus is on you to prove that, not for others to disprove your theory.

So you're not claiming that he didn't know?

[lapsedhibee]

So you're not claiming that he didn't know?

:tsk tsk:

[MrRobot]

Cool.

And I said that I've only ever read conspiracy theorists saying that the US had been warned.

Ah I get you now, sorry misunderstood your post.

Quick google points to an article in the telegraph regarding a declassified memo warning of an attack 3 days prior.

Historian does give his opinion which is that he doesn’t believe they acted deliberately to let them attack, they just didn’t think they would actually do it.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8932197/Pearl-Harbour-memo-shows-US-warned-of-Japanese-attack.html

[Pretty Boy]

Whether the US knew about the 9/11 attacks is somewhat irrelevant. Plenty in power shed nothing more than crocodile tears when it happened. The below is from the 'Plan for the New American Century':

'Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor'.

That think tank explicitly mentioned things such as regime change in Iraq and included contributions from the likes of Cheney and Rumsfeld. 9/11 probably was an act of international terrorism but in terms of American foreign policy it was a convenient, arguably even a welcome, one.

[Slavers]

Whether the US knew about the 9/11 attacks is somewhat irrelevant. Plenty in power shed nothing more than crocodile tears when it happened. The below is from the 'Plan for the New American Century':

'Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor'.

That think tank explicitly mentioned things such as regime change in Iraq and included contributions from the likes of Cheney and Rumsfeld. 9/11 probably was an act of international terrorism but in terms of American foreign policy it was a convenient, arguably even a welcome, one.

Probably the best summery of 9/11.

There would be some in power who were glad it happened that may sound unreal to normal people but there are psychopathic people in places of power that don't have the ability to feel empathy for others.

A few thousand people dead means nothing to these people and they would not loose a night sleep over it.

[Pretty Boy]

Probably the best summery of 9/11.

There would be some in power who were glad it happened that may sound unreal to normal people but there are psychopathic people in places of power that don't have the ability to feel empathy for others.

A few thousand people dead means nothing to these people and they would not loose a night sleep over it.

I often wonder how much those 3000 deaths even registered with some in positions of influence or power. When you consider the estimated civilian death toll in Iraq in the years following the invasion, the continuing devastation caused by IS and the power vacuum in Iraq and Syria, the spike in terrorism in the Middle East, Afghanistan and the UK Post 2003 and the ongoing fallout from the 'Arab spring' we are getting into a death toll of millions. Remove the fact they are American citizens and you have to ask what makes those 3000 deaths so special? That sounds crasser than I intend but it's a relevant question imo. There were tears shed and 'thoughts and prayers' offered by the usual suspects but ultimately it was just another few deaths in the big business that war is; we are used to people being killed in far flung places, we expect a bit more grief from our politicians when it happens closer to home.

[Fife-Hibee]

Funny how international terrorism always seems to strike when, where and by whom it suits the US.

Hundreds of conflicts they've been involved in over the past century and they have had a convenient excuse for each and every one of them.

[pontius pilate]

Totally agree that international terrorism is where the usa says it is. The thing that strikes me is that the attacks were carried out by individuals from saudi Arabia carried out on behalf of a saudi national who was hiding in Afghanistan yet the first country invaded was Iraq

[Fife-Hibee]

Totally agree that international terrorism is where the usa says it is. The thing that strikes me is that the attacks were carried out by individuals from saudi Arabia carried out on behalf of a saudi national who was hiding in Afghanistan yet the first country invaded was Iraq

The US invasion of Afghanistan started in 2001. The invasion of Iraq didn't come about until 2003.

Did you know that over 80% of Americans still believe there were weapons of mass destruction, despite absolutely none being discovered?

[Hibbyradge]

The US invasion of Afghanistan started in 2001. The invasion of Iraq didn't come about until 2003.

Did you know that over 80% of Americans still believe there were weapons of mass destruction, despite absolutely none being discovered?

Your first sentence is correct.

Your second is incorrect.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I haven't read through the thread, so my apologies if this has already been mentioned, but the U.S. Republican Party (uniquely amongst all the major political parties in the world) 'believes' man made climate change is a hoax and a conspiracy. I have put the word believes in inverted commas because some of them don't really believe it but know full well the science is correct, but their donors fear that a solution will be expensive, so they push the hoax line.

It's incredible that the president of the United States believes that the issue which is perhaps the greatest existential threat to humanity is a conspiracy theory. What a time we live in.

We also have our own conspiracy theorist nutters of course. How about immigration into western countries being funded by George Soros to create a one world government? :greengrin

[Lester B]

If i'm making it up, then surely it should be straight forward to disprove my point. But you know you can't. The weight of evidence is firmly on my side.

You know full well which post i'm referring to. But no doubt you'll try and claim that it's not a mental illness or some other BS to worm your way out of it, so i'm not going to waste my time on it any futher.


It's not a mental illness. It was never suggested you had one by anyone. I'm not certain what was implied but it's becoming clearer

It's clearly been suggested to you before, and in the world outside this message board, hence why you are so dismissive. Simple denial.

It would explain a lot. Not excuse but explain it at least.

And if you really want to talk weight of evidence, the signs are all there.

I expect this will be answered dismissively with sarasm or ignored but you do need help and I genuinely hope you get it at some point.

But it doesn't excuse you

[Cataplana]

I haven't read through the thread, so my apologies if this has already been mentioned, but the U.S. Republican Party (uniquely amongst all the major political parties in the world) 'believes' man made climate change is a hoax and a conspiracy. I have put the word believes in inverted commas because some of them don't really believe it but know full well the science is correct, but their donors fear that a solution will be expensive, so they push the hoax line.

It's incredible that the president of the United States believes that the issue which is perhaps the greatest existential threat to humanity is a conspiracy theory. What a time we live in.

We also have our own conspiracy theorist nutters of course. How about immigration into western countries being funded by George Soros to create a one world government? :greengrin

I saw one that George Soros is Madeleine McCanns father (they carry the same defect in the eye - coloboma.)

Another one that it was the Podesta brothers that kidnapped her. This based on two efit pictures (what the Kooks ignored, that they were two edits of the same person.)

[McD]

So you're not claiming that he didn't know?


I’m not claiming anything. You are claiming something on this thread, and have refused to provide any evidence of that. You have put it to others that they should disprove your claim, rather than you providing the proof that your claim is correct.

[Hibernia&Alba]

What about the conspiracy theory that Trump pushed for FIVE YEARS, that President Obama wasn't an American citizen but was actually Kenyan and a Muslim. The so called 'Birther Conspiracy'; and to think he was still elected after that, amongst other things.

[wpj]

What about the conspiracy theory that Trump pushed for FIVE YEARS, that President Obama wasn't an American citizen but was actually Kenyan and a Muslim. The so called 'Birther Conspiracy'; and to think he was still elected after that, amongst other things.

More disturbing is the theory that Michelle Obama is actually a man in drag and the daughters are orphans paid to be their daughters. Yes, that is out there! Madness!

[lord bunberry]

More disturbing is the theory that Michelle Obama is actually a man in drag and the daughters are orphans paid to be their daughters. Yes, that is out there! Madness!
That’s a belter :faf::faf:

[DetroitHibs]

Video of Epstein and Prince Andrew. Doubt this video will last long before it’s taken down.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah5cHepaHIc

[Hibbyradge]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49402526

:hmmm: Quite a coincidence.

[Cataplana]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49402526

:hmmm: Quite a coincidence.

Certainly consistent with someone planning to end their life.

[lapsedhibee]

Video of Epstein and Prince Andrew. Doubt this video will last long before it’s taken down.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah5cHepaHIc

Could paedophilia bring the current monarchy down? Possible, as Johnson wants to be king of something and he's got the stop-at-nowt propaganda machine nicely warmed up.

[Kato]

Could paedophilia bring the current monarchy down?

It hasn't in the past so that's probably a no.

[lapsedhibee]

It hasn't in the past so that's probably a no.

I thought that was haemophilia. What have I missed? :dunno:

[Kato]

I thought that was haemophilia. What have I missed? :dunno:

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/lord-mountbatten-pedophile-allegations

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/the-times/prince-charles-defends-pedophile-bishop-peter-ball-in-private-letters/news-story/d9a4ddbb36802fd3d06186d0bdeb8afb

[lapsedhibee]

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/lord-mountbatten-pedophile-allegations
Ta. Another who was pals with Savile. :tsk tsk:

[Fife-Hibee]

This runs deeper than we'll ever know and it dates back through generations.

[Kato]

This runs deeper than we'll ever know and it dates back through generations.

Makes you wonder what sort of people they are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=46&v=gsh2F9YwIv4

[jonty]

Makes you wonder what sort of people they are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=46&v=gsh2F9YwIv4

and people actually believe that nonsense.

[Kato]

and people actually believe that nonsense.

Exactly. Everyone knows if you were being held prisoner there, there is absolutely no escape.

[Fife-Hibee]

Exactly. Everyone knows if you were being held prisoner there, there is absolutely no escape.

Indeed. Besides, he's coming out of an upper floor window. Everybody knows the dungeon is kept underground. :cb

[Hibbyradge]

Exactly. Everyone knows if you were being held prisoner there, there is absolutely no escape.

They don't hold people prisoner in Buckingham Palace. They do that in Clarence House, but don't even ask what they use St James's Palace for. Not if you want to live anyway!!!! :shocked:

[Hibernia&Alba]

From progressive political U.S. channel The David Pakman Show. America, of course, the heartland of crazy conspiracy theories.


https://youtu.be/vKIJa8CsVhw

[The Modfather]

More disturbing is the theory that Michelle Obama is actually a man in drag and the daughters are orphans paid to be their daughters. Yes, that is out there! Madness!

Do our reptilian overlords have a binary male/female gender? :hmmm: :greengrin

[Hibee87]

Didn't know if here, or the WTF thread was more appropriate.

https://themostbeautifulworld.com/blog/comet-atlas

I dived into the Reddit rabbithole of conspiracies today incase your wondering where I found this. What a place if you want to laugh at dumb people.

[Mon Dieu4]

Didn't know if here, or the WTF thread was more appropriate.

https://themostbeautifulworld.com/blog/comet-atlas

I dived into the Reddit rabbithole of conspiracies today incase your wondering where I found this. What a place if you want to laugh at dumb people.

Why did you have to go and do that, I have too much time on my hands as it is just now without jumping down more rabbit holes :greengrin

[danhibees1875]

Didn't know if here, or the WTF thread was more appropriate.

https://themostbeautifulworld.com/blog/comet-atlas

I dived into the Reddit rabbithole of conspiracies today incase your wondering where I found this. What a place if you want to laugh at dumb people.

I like a good conspiracy. I guess we'll find out in 2 days if there's any truth in that one. :wink:

My favourite part was their claim that the truth simply gets removed from the internet...

[Pretty Boy]

Am I the only one quite excited that the F8 Swan comet actually does exist and may be visible from the northern hemisphere in late May?

[Hibee87]

Why did you have to go and do that, I have too much time on my hands as it is just now without jumping down more rabbit holes :greengrin

Pretty much how I ended up in it mate, see you in 5 - 7 hours 😂

[Hibee87]

I like a good conspiracy. I guess we'll find out in 2 days if there's any truth in that one. :wink:

My favourite part was their claim that the truth simply gets removed from the internet...

I have to say I am looking forward to see how these celestial events unfold in the next few days/weeks

[Hibee87]

Am I the only one quite excited that the F8 Swan comet actually does exist and may be visible from the northern hemisphere in late May?

If what I was reading earlier is correct I think it's breaking up and still unknown if it will be seen with the naked eye. I do admit to to not knowing s great deal about it though and will be looking into after my ravioli.
Today has been a strange day like when Kevin bridges talks about looking at wiki of Diego raviera.....ive been dipping into lots of things I wouldn't normally. Reading up about these 2 events, comet and astroid I'll do this evening. Seems the astroid was first discovered in 1998, I watched Armageddon the other day, that came out in 1998......just saying 😂 (ok I need to stay off the conspiracy sites for a while I think)

[Beefster]

Am I the only one quite excited that the F8 Swan comet actually does exist and may be visible from the northern hemisphere in late May?

Nope, not the only one. I remember spending many an hour gazing at Hale-Bopp twenty or so years ago over the fair period it was visible.

[MrRobot]

I like a good conspiracy. I guess we'll find out in 2 days if there's any truth in that one. :wink:

My favourite part was their claim that the truth simply gets removed from the internet...

You should get stuck into the various conspiracy threads on twitter regarding high profile people such as Tom Hanks and Obama, they are wild :greengrin

[Hibrandenburg]

I thought this was a wind up but apparently it's real, unlike birds who don't exist anymore because the CIA have replaced them all with surveillance drones. "Birds don't exist" has tens of thousands of followers.

https://birdsarentreal.com/pages/the-history

[overdrive]

I thought this was a wind up but apparently it's real, unlike birds who don't exist anymore because the CIA have replaced them all with surveillance drones. "Birds don't exist" has tens of thousands of followers.

https://birdsarentreal.com/pages/the-history

If they hadn’t lost me before, they definitely lost me at the JFK ham sandwich part!

[Bangkok Hibby]

I thought this was a wind up but apparently it's real, unlike birds who don't exist anymore because the CIA have replaced them all with surveillance drones. "Birds don't exist" has tens of thousands of followers.

https://birdsarentreal.com/pages/the-history

I had to google this to check it was actually a thing. Staggering in its utter stupidity. Way worse than flat earthers and I never thought that could ever be the case with any other conspiracy theory.

[Callum_62]

I thought this was a wind up but apparently it's real, unlike birds who don't exist anymore because the CIA have replaced them all with surveillance drones. "Birds don't exist" has tens of thousands of followers.

https://birdsarentreal.com/pages/the-historyAnd yet they still fly into big glass windows.

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[overdrive]

And yet they still fly into big glass windows.

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And crap everywhere… so failing in one of the two purposes of this ‘project’

[wookie70]

And yet they still fly into big glass windows.

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Their controller must have nipped to the loo at that point

[Jones28]

And crap everywhere… so failing in one of the two purposes of this ‘project’

And migrate. What’s the point of a surveillance drone that spends half its year flying around the world?

[Stairway 2 7]

And migrate. What’s the point of a surveillance drone that spends half its year flying around the world?

So they can fly north and check on the top edge of earth

[lapsedhibee]

I had to google this to check it was actually a thing. Staggering in its utter stupidity. Way worse than flat earthers and I never thought that could ever be the case with any other conspiracy theory.

I thought at first it wasn't serious. But then I remembered Trump railing against wind turbines because of all the 'birds' they destroyed. Makes complete sense for him to get as worked up as he did when you know that the birds were actually government agents. :agree:

[Just Alf]

Hmmmm.... where does all my wee bits of bread go!?

[wookie70]

Hmmmm.... where does all my wee bits of bread go!? DNA analysis. I always wear gloves when I feed the ducks

[Hibrandenburg]

I guess it gives a whole new perspective to Easter Road's seagull problem.

[Bostonhibby]

I guess it gives a whole new perspective to Easter Road's seagull problem.Report direct to Mrs doctor Budge.

Since she won relegation for Hearts they have been working flat out as members of her task force to deliver her masterplan to reconstruct Scottish football.

They have now reached the point where she meets them on the promenade at Porty weekly for an ice cream and chips power lunch.

Any day now they will be delivering her proposal and the team that finished bottom of the league will be unrelegated. For the sake of Scottish football obviously.

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[Keith_M]

I've started kicking all the birds when I walk round the park.

That'll teach the wee bugg3rs for spying on me!

[lapsedhibee]

I had to google this to check it was actually a thing. Staggering in its utter stupidity. Way worse than flat earthers and I never thought that could ever be the case with any other conspiracy theory.

Not just state drones that are operating under cover. Southgate as well!

https://twitter.com/cjayanetti/status/1412362416508256256

[Hibbyradge]

I had to google this to check it was actually a thing. Staggering in its utter stupidity. Way worse than flat earthers and I never thought that could ever be the case with any other conspiracy theory.

It's not a real conspiracy. It's a parody.

[Bangkok Hibby]

It's not a real conspiracy. It's a parody.

Parody or not many people believe it. So my assertion that they are even more stupid than flat earthers stands.

[Kato]

Parody or not many people believe it. So my assertion that they are even more stupid than flat earthers stands.The parody was partly created to see if it hooked anyone in - totally successful. Even when the creators are explaining it's a parody the believers still want to believe.

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[Hibrandenburg]

It's not a real conspiracy. It's a parody.

I'm sure that's how the flat earther movement started. Someone taking the piss and not being able to believe his luck that he hooked so many suckers.

[Glory Lurker]

I saw a squished "bird" on the road the other day. It was all just feathers and guts. Not a wire, spring or gear anywhere. They are geniuseses. What chance do we have when they can cover the evidence as well as that?

[Andy Bee]

So they can fly north and check on the top edge of earth


I can't believe you've been sucked in by this flat earth rubbish, they're obviously all heading to Elon Musks place for a battery recharge and a ludicrous update.

[Hibbyradge]

I saw a squished "bird" on the road the other day. It was all just feathers and guts. Not a wire, spring or gear anywhere. They are geniuseses. What chance do we have when they can cover the evidence as well as that?

Never heard of microchips? 🙄

[overdrive]

I saw a squished "bird" on the road the other day. It was all just feathers and guts. Not a wire, spring or gear anywhere. They are geniuseses. What chance do we have when they can cover the evidence as well as that?

Have you not seen the really informative documentary-come-reality show about artificial intelligence called Westworld? They can get the AI really human/animal like these days :wink:

[Mikey]

What's with the bampots who have moved on from claiming that Covid is a hoax to now saying that the war in Ukraine is staged.

What's wrong with some people?

[Kato]

What's with the bampots who have moved on from claiming that Covid is a hoax to now saying that the war in Ukraine is staged.

What's wrong with some people?They think they are more intelligent than everyone else, but the opposite is true. The flat earth sh*t is totally proof of this.

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[lapsedhibee]

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Sheeple.

[Mikey]

The flat earth sh*t is totally proof of this.



I'm in a few astronomy facebook groups and it's always good fun when someone pops by to put us straight :hilarious

[Kato]

I'm in a few astronomy facebook groups and it's always good fun when someone pops by to put us straight :hilariousI mean, come on!!

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[Just Alf]

I mean, come on!!

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkI know crazy!.. flat .. ha ha....


It's clearly slightly convex, how else would they explain the horizon dipping away like that :crazy:

[Kato]

I know crazy!.. flat .. ha ha....


It's clearly slightly convex, how else would they explain the horizon dipping away like that :crazy:....and it's carried around the universe on the back of a big tortoise...

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[ErinGoBraghHFC]

I 100% do believe Hitler did not die in the bunker in Berlin. He put on a disguise and fled to Argentina, the Soviets even acknowledged that the bones they possessed from the raid of the bunker were not those of Adolf Hitler.

[Ozyhibby]

People are really crap at keeping secrets. The minute you get past about 20 people in on a secret your in trouble. Especially when there is very little financial benefit in keeping that secret.
If the moon landings were filmed in a studio then I’m thinking that the chances that everyone involved kept quiet is pretty slim. Same with Hitler being alive. Or Elvis. Etc etc.
These things are usually only useful for dumb people to walk about thinking that actually it might be them that actually has the world sussed. I guess in that sense they might have some benefit.


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[Kato]

I 100% do believe Hitler did not die in the bunker in Berlin. He put on a disguise and fled to Argentina, the Soviets even acknowledged that the bones they possessed from the raid of the bunker were not those of Adolf Hitler.But that is feasible. As is something more nefarious happening with JFK, MLK, etc.

Those are good old fashioned conspiracy theories, forged in the spirit of "mm, might have happened." There's nothing against physics in there.


The new ones they have now are just a spoonbenders toytown: robot birds, flat earth, reptile dynastys, Trump is a good guy, build back better. Real chowderhead shpeil.

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[Haymaker]

....and it's carried around the universe on the back of a big tortoise...

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Technically it is on the backs of four giant Elephants (the fifth one crashed into the world) who stand upon the back of a giant Turtle - not a tortoise. :greengrin

[Stairway 2 7]

People are really crap at keeping secrets. The minute you get past about 20 people in on a secret your in trouble. Especially when there is very little financial benefit in keeping that secret.
If the moon landings were filmed in a studio then I’m thinking that the chances that everyone involved kept quiet is pretty slim. Same with Hitler being alive. Or Elvis. Etc etc.
These things are usually only useful for dumb people to walk about thinking that actually it might be them that actually has the world sussed. I guess in that sense they might have some benefit.


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Yep I'd read something like 400,000 people worked on the moon landing indirectly. I think one of the tradesmen or IT people would have let slip. Also more damming is the Russians said nothing about it being faked.

[Kato]

Technically it is on the backs of four giant Elephants (the fifth one crashed into the world) who stand upon the back of a giant Turtle - not a tortoise. :greengrinTechnically, yeah.

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[Mon Dieu4]

I 100% do believe Hitler did not die in the bunker in Berlin. He put on a disguise and fled to Argentina, the Soviets even acknowledged that the bones they possessed from the raid of the bunker were not those of Adolf Hitler.

Whilst many Nazis fled to South America, Hitler was a drug filled wreck by the end of the war and probably had Alzheimer's/Parkinson's as well, I don't believe he made it to South America, that and the fact his Dental nurse drew his teeth and work that had been done from them and that matched his remains

The Soviets threw about a lot of spin and misinformation about to keep people guessing

[Oscar T Grouch]

Technically it is on the backs of four giant Elephants (the fifth one crashed into the world) who stand upon the back of a giant Turtle - not a tortoise. :greengrin

I miss Terry Pratchett. Met him in Craigmillar library many many moons ago. (I know it is Hindu lore but I first came across it in the Discworld novels!)

[WhileTheChief..]

https://youtu.be/sE-tpiAiiHo

[SChibs]

But that is feasible. As is something more nefarious happening with JFK, MLK, etc.

Those are good old fashioned conspiracy theories, forged in the spirit of "mm, might have happened." There's nothing against physics in there.


The new ones they have now are just a spoonbenders toytown: robot birds, flat earth, reptile dynastys, Trump is a good guy, build back better. Real chowderhead shpeil.

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It's important to note not all conspiracy theories should be lumped into one group and not all theories are believed by all conspiracy theorists. For example believing the NSA were listening to all the calls in America(which is true) and flat earth(which is false) are two different things. To group them together discredits the theory that is actually true.

[Stairway 2 7]

It's important to note not all conspiracy theories should be lumped into one group and not all theories are believed by all conspiracy theorists. For example believing the NRA were listening to all the calls in America(which is true) and flat earth(which is false) are two different things. To group them together discredits the theory that is actually true.

But that also isn't defying physics. Well it is actually if you think there is a human physically listening to the calls rather than some algorithm

[nonshinyfinish]

For example believing the NRA were listening to all the calls in America(which is true)

To find out who was badmouthing guns?

[Stairway 2 7]

To find out who was badmouthing guns?

😆 well spotted

[SChibs]

To find out who was badmouthing guns?

My bad, edited now!

[Kato]

To group them together discredits the theory that is actually true.


That's what I said.


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[Haymaker]

I miss Terry Pratchett. Met him in Craigmillar library many many moons ago. (I know it is Hindu lore but I first came across it in the Discworld novels!)

His work was fantastic, sadly missed.

[overdrive]

My partner’s friend’s husband has some very weird views.

He claims that humans have built civilisations to this degree of technological advancement four times in the past and that one of those coincided with the last few centuries of the dinosaurs. He also claims that there were species of dinosaurs that were to the same level of intelligence and technological advancement as we are now. According to him, some humans survived the extinction event and built us back up to where we are just now.

He has another theory (though he holds that these are absolutely true rather than a theory) that contradicts the above, that aliens visited earth shortly after the extinction event and populated Earth with humans that were lab grown on their home planet.

When I asked “where’s the fossil evidence”, he said “they” are hiding it from us.

Absolute insanity from an otherwise sound guy.

[Since90+2]

My partner’s friend’s husband has some very weird views.

He claims that humans have built civilisations to this degree of technological advancement four times in the past and that one of those coincided with the last few centuries of the dinosaurs. He also claims that there were species of dinosaurs that were to the same level of intelligence and technological advancement as we are now. According to him, some humans survived the extinction event and built us back up to where we are just now.

He has another theory (though he holds that these are absolutely true rather than a theory) that contradicts the above, that aliens visited earth shortly after the extinction event and populated Earth with humans that were lab grown on their home planet.

When I asked “where’s the fossil evidence”, he said “they” are hiding it from us.

Absolute insanity from an otherwise sound guy.

That all sounds fairly plausible to be honest.

[Lendo]

My partner’s friend’s husband has some very weird views.

He claims that humans have built civilisations to this degree of technological advancement four times in the past and that one of those coincided with the last few centuries of the dinosaurs. He also claims that there were species of dinosaurs that were to the same level of intelligence and technological advancement as we are now. According to him, some humans survived the extinction event and built us back up to where we are just now.

He has another theory (though he holds that these are absolutely true rather than a theory) that contradicts the above, that aliens visited earth shortly after the extinction event and populated Earth with humans that were lab grown on their home planet.

When I asked “where’s the fossil evidence”, he said “they” are hiding it from us.

Absolute insanity from an otherwise sound guy.

Really good video about the possibility of advanced civilisations having existed at some point in earths 4 billion year history prior to humans.

https://youtu.be/KRvv0QdruMQ

[Stairway 2 7]

My partner’s friend’s husband has some very weird views.

He claims that humans have built civilisations to this degree of technological advancement four times in the past and that one of those coincided with the last few centuries of the dinosaurs. He also claims that there were species of dinosaurs that were to the same level of intelligence and technological advancement as we are now. According to him, some humans survived the extinction event and built us back up to where we are just now.

He has another theory (though he holds that these are absolutely true rather than a theory) that contradicts the above, that aliens visited earth shortly after the extinction event and populated Earth with humans that were lab grown on their home planet.

When I asked “where’s the fossil evidence”, he said “they” are hiding it from us.

Absolute insanity from an otherwise sound guy.

Fair play to him getting a partner the mad ******* 😆 life needs harmless eccentrics, it's the trump or antivax that cause pain

[Lester B]

Whilst many Nazis fled to South America, Hitler was a drug filled wreck by the end of the war and probably had Alzheimer's/Parkinson's as well, I don't believe he made it to South America, that and the fact his Dental nurse drew his teeth and work that had been done from them and that matched his remains

The Soviets threw about a lot of spin and misinformation about to keep people guessing

So glad this thread is back. That's actually true about the teeth. His private dentist was known to have 'interesting' ideas about dentistry and his work was quite unmistakeable apparently. One of the first things they teach dentists who are entering the field of forensic dentistry.

Never ever thought I'd be sharing this trivia in a Hibs message board.

[nonshinyfinish]

So glad this thread is back. That's actually true about the teeth. His private dentist was known to have 'interesting' ideas about dentistry and his work was quite unmistakeable apparently. One of the first things they teach dentists who are entering the field of forensic dentistry.

Ah but why do you think it's the first thing they teach? He's clearly still out there if day one of forensic dentistry school is "here's how to catch Hitler by looking at his teeth".

Checkmate.

[Mikey]

Ah but why do you think it's the first thing they teach? He's clearly still out there if day one of forensic dentistry school is "here's how to catch Hitler by looking at his teeth".

Checkmate.

Nice teeth for a guy who is 133 later this month :greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

My partner’s friend’s husband has some very weird views.

He claims that humans have built civilisations to this degree of technological advancement four times in the past and that one of those coincided with the last few centuries of the dinosaurs. He also claims that there were species of dinosaurs that were to the same level of intelligence and technological advancement as we are now. According to him, some humans survived the extinction event and built us back up to where we are just now.

He has another theory (though he holds that these are absolutely true rather than a theory) that contradicts the above, that aliens visited earth shortly after the extinction event and populated Earth with humans that were lab grown on their home planet.

When I asked “where’s the fossil evidence”, he said “they” are hiding it from us.

Absolute insanity from an otherwise sound guy.

I know folk who think there's a man in the sky who created us all in order to test us or something and if we fail the test we'll end up in a furnace for eternity.

I really do.

[SChibs]

My partner’s friend’s husband has some very weird views.

He claims that humans have built civilisations to this degree of technological advancement four times in the past and that one of those coincided with the last few centuries of the dinosaurs. He also claims that there were species of dinosaurs that were to the same level of intelligence and technological advancement as we are now. According to him, some humans survived the extinction event and built us back up to where we are just now.

He has another theory (though he holds that these are absolutely true rather than a theory) that contradicts the above, that aliens visited earth shortly after the extinction event and populated Earth with humans that were lab grown on their home planet.

When I asked “where’s the fossil evidence”, he said “they” are hiding it from us.

Absolute insanity from an otherwise sound guy.

I don't believe exactly what you just posted but I do believe there has been advanced human civilisations before our own. There's evidence popping up here and there such as Goblekli Tepi in Turkey. Old tales of massive floods for example are probably based on some truth as there's evidence to say a comet hit the earth 12,500 years ago, which is when Plato said Atlantis was lost.

[Hibs4185]

Heard a belter today….hearts are bigger than Hibs and tynecastle is far superior.

Some absolute zoomers out there

[Keith_M]

I know folk who think there's a man in the sky who created us all in order to test us or something and if we fail the test we'll end up in a furnace for eternity.

I really do.


Surely not. Anybody that falls for that must be a total nut job.

[Just Alf]

I don't believe exactly what you just posted but I do believe there has been advanced human civilisations before our own. There's evidence popping up here and there such as Goblekli Tepi in Turkey. Old tales of massive floods for example are probably based on some truth as there's evidence to say a comet hit the earth 12,500 years ago, which is when Plato said Atlantis was lost.I seem to remember reading that some ancient maps had pretty accurate depictions of the south Pole land mass, only confirmed as accurate in the late 70s or early 80s by radar satellites.

Thinking was that the data had been passed down in various maps over many generations from before the ice build up.

[Glory Lurker]

I know folk who think there's a man in the sky who created us all in order to test us or something and if we fail the test we'll end up in a furnace for eternity.

I really do.

I love this.

[Glory Lurker]

Mind when 5G caused covid? Ah, the banter years.

[The Modfather]

My partner’s friend’s husband has some very weird views.

He claims that humans have built civilisations to this degree of technological advancement four times in the past and that one of those coincided with the last few centuries of the dinosaurs. He also claims that there were species of dinosaurs that were to the same level of intelligence and technological advancement as we are now. According to him, some humans survived the extinction event and built us back up to where we are just now.

He has another theory (though he holds that these are absolutely true rather than a theory) that contradicts the above, that aliens visited earth shortly after the extinction event and populated Earth with humans that were lab grown on their home planet.

When I asked “where’s the fossil evidence”, he said “they” are hiding it from us.

Absolute insanity from an otherwise sound guy.

There’s evidence this is true https://youtu.be/wIG9mAI5yZ8

[Mikey]

More hilarity from the unhinged.......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-62049654

[Paul1642]

More hilarity from the unhinged.......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-62049654

Anything to avoid giving up coal.

[Hibbyradge]

I wasn't sure whether to post this in the Good News thread but here will do.

Alex Jones must pay nearly £1bn to Sandy Hook families. (I realise the amount should actually be in dollars but the exchange rate is close enough!)


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/12/alex-jones-sandy-hook-hoax-lawsuit-damages?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

[DaveF]

I wasn't sure whether to post this in the Good News thread but here will do.

Alex Jones must pay nearly £1bn to Sandy Hook families. (I realise the amount should actually be in dollars but the exchange rate is close enough!)


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/12/alex-jones-sandy-hook-hoax-lawsuit-damages?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

What a ****bag this guy is. No doubt he will appeal and appeal again, putting those families through yet more hell.

[Stairway 2 7]

Absolute **** bag. People were urinating on these people's graves due to this **** bags nonsense. Horrible man, wonder if trump will denounce him now

[Hibrandenburg]

Large gatherings of conspiracy theorists taking place all over the UK this weekend. Some of these people are absolute nut jobs and their beliefs are not only unhinged but bloody dangerous. How do you put a stop to this madness? I'm all for free speech but some of the stuff they come out with is extremely worrying.

There's no point talking to them because any contradictions to what they believe just pushes them further down the rabbit hole.

[Andy Bee]

Large gatherings of conspiracy theorists taking place all over the UK this weekend. Some of these people are absolute nut jobs and their beliefs are not only unhinged but bloody dangerous. How do you put a stop to this madness? I'm all for free speech but some of the stuff they come out with is extremely worrying.

There's no point talking to them because any contradictions to what they believe just pushes them further down the rabbit hole.


I thought the Labour Party conference wasn't happening until later in the year, ahh well, you learn something new every day. :greengrin

[Hibby70]

Large gatherings of conspiracy theorists taking place all over the UK this weekend. Some of these people are absolute nut jobs and their beliefs are not only unhinged but bloody dangerous. How do you put a stop to this madness? I'm all for free speech but some of the stuff they come out with is extremely worrying.

There's no point talking to them because any contradictions to what they believe just pushes them further down the rabbit hole.
I was watching a clip today of some loonball stating that the ulez cameras could set off an explosion in some antenna that was injected into you during COVID. Which would then kill you.😂

[Berwickhibby]

I was watching a clip today of some loonball stating that the ulez cameras could set off an explosion in some antenna that was injected into you during COVID. Which would then kill you.😂

Just to be on the safe side we should switch all the ULEZ cameras off….you never know 🤣🤣🤣

[147lothian]

Did you know that if you look really carefully at the UK £20 note, you will see a G5 tower given off emissions next to the coronavirus symbol?

One of the more bizarre and alarmist covid conspiracy theory's I remember hearing, when some people stayed in-doors due to thinking they would drop dead in the street if anyone brushed against them during the covid lockdown.