New Petition

[Colr]

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

Went up tonight. Number of people signing so far is quite high.

[James310]

It was at 170,000 when I signed an hour ago.

[Colr]

It was at 170,000 when I signed an hour ago.

1/4 million now....almost as many as on the leave march

[Smartie]

For anyone signing who can't find the e-mail to confirm - mine went into my junk mail and I only found it now.

[Colr]

Previous petitions of this nature have ground to a halt around 350k

[Bangkok Hibby]

1/4 million now....almost as many as on the leave march

359,000 at 5am

[Ozyhibby]

450k now


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[James310]

450k now


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Over 500,000

[TheReg!]

Pointless!

[lapsedhibee]

Pointless!
If it got to 17.4 million it might shut Mark Francois up. Briefly.

[Ozyhibby]

Pointless!

Probably


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[Ozyhibby]

If it got to 17.4 million it might shut Mark Francois up. Briefly.

No chance. He used to be in the army, you know?
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190321/e1f67171c70f6f5783aa96e5ba72cd26.jpg

[Ozyhibby]

Link has been taken down. Guess they didn’t want it getting too high.


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[CapitalGreen]

Link has been taken down. Guess they didn’t want it getting too high.


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no it hasn't

[Bangkok Hibby]

no it hasn't

Its down for "maintenance"

[CapitalGreen]

Its down for "maintenance"

Still working fine for me and going up ~200 every few seconds.

[Peevemor]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47652071

[Ozyhibby]

Its down for "maintenance"

Chris Grayling is on the case. Should be fixed in no time.


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[Jack Hackett]

Just tried to sign, but the confirmation email hasn't arrived :rolleyes:

... And no, it isn't in the junk or spam folderd

[Lendo]

Signed

[Moulin Yarns]

Just tried to sign, but the confirmation email hasn't arrived :rolleyes:

... And no, it isn't in the junk or spam folderd

Same with me.

[Jack Hackett]

Same with me.

Mine's turned up in the spam folder... Signed and confirmed. 854K and counting. 'Will of the People' indeed

[JeMeSouviens]

You can check the current number without loading the petitions server here:

https://odileeds.org/projects/petitions/241584

910309, btw

[Colr]

1million!!!

I wonder how many will show on Saturday for the march

[Colr]

Same with me.

Keep trying. It’s going down intermittently

[Hibbyradge]

1063950 ...

[Moulin Yarns]

https://twitter.com/AngusMacNeilSNP/status/1108675217596076032?s=19

[Colr]

Still a long way from the record

https://www.itv.com/news/2017-01-31/petitions-what-are-the-10-most-signed-and-what-have-they-achieved/

And that achieved nothing. Keep plugging away, though

[Jack Hackett]

You can check the current number without loading the petitions server here:

https://odileeds.org/projects/petitions/241584

910309, btw

Wow! Last time I saw a graph like that, it was going in the opposite direction... The pound after the referendum :greengrin

[JeMeSouviens]

1.4M and still climbing sharply.

[Colr]

1.5 million.

Got to get to 5 million to really hit home, I think.

Note to pro- no deal petition stuck on 370k but I suppose the rest of them are out on a march with Nige.

[JeMeSouviens]

1.5 million.

Got to get to 5 million to really hit home, I think.

Note to pro- no deal petition stuck on 370k but I suppose the rest of them are out on a march with Nige.

Without Nige, he only turned up on day 1 and left the few dozen gullibles struggling through the rain. He’s charging them £50 a head for the privilege.

[Colr]

Without Nige, he only turned up on day 1 and left the few dozen gullibles struggling through the rain. He’s charging them £50 a head for the privilege.

They’ll get a voucher to get a ****ty lunch in Wetherspoons. Sorry, Spoons, ‘cos it’s actually cool.

[jonty]

1.688 million now.
Its fairly nipping along now they've got the site back up.

[Colr]

2 million

[lapsedhibee]

2 million

2 and a half

[Moulin Yarns]

2.6m

[Hibbyradge]

1million!!!

I wonder how many will show on Saturday for the march

I'm going to be in Edinburgh this weekend otherwise I'd travel to London for the march.

I think it will be a huge turnout on Saturday. The forecast is for perfect marching weather.

[danhibees1875]

I'm going to be in Edinburgh this weekend otherwise I'd travel to London for the march.

I think it will be a huge turnout on Saturday. The forecast is for perfect marching weather.

I'm surprised there aren't numerous marches throughout the UK - or at least in each capital - concurrently. It would have been a good way to add up the numbers, show cross-country solidarity, and make it more accessible.

[Jack Hackett]

The largest petition so far was started by a brexit supporter BEFORE the referendum, when he thought they were going to lose, calling for a 2nd ref if the winning vote was below a significant percentage.

This was hijacked by remainers after the result and got over 4m votes... only to be ignored by Parliament. I don't suppose this will be treated any differently but is one of few options given us to let them know just how strong our support is.

[CropleyWasGod]

I'm going to be in Edinburgh this weekend otherwise I'd travel to London for the march.

I think it will be a huge turnout on Saturday. The forecast is for perfect marching weather.

I'll be in London. The march will be a pain in the arse 😁

[Jack Hackett]

I'll be in London. The march will be a pain in the arse 😁

I need to travel back to Brighton from Gatwick a few hours after the march... Not expecting to get home at a reasonable time

[Slavers]

Do you think it will reach over 17m before the end of March?

[Jack Hackett]

Do you think it will reach over 17m before the end of March?

Do you think leave would win again if there is a re-run?

[Hibbyradge]

Do you think it will reach over 17m before the end of March?

Maybe if it had £millions thrown at it and a big bus with lies on the side it might.

[Jack Hackett]

Maybe if it had £millions thrown at it and a big bus with lies on the side it might.

That should read 'illegal' £millions

[PeeJay]

Not sure this petition can be given any real credibility - what with lots of people outside the UK voting and other people "probably" voting several times over it's not really indicative of anything is it? It's plainly open to manipulation, surely? :confused:

[Hibernia&Alba]

Not sure this petition can be given any real credibility - what with lots of people outside the UK voting and other people "probably" voting several times over it's not really indicative of anything is it? It's plainly open to manipulation, surely? :confused:





Of course, but it isn't an election, it's just a petition and doesn't guarantee any outcome. However it's a gauge of the level of unhappiness out there.

Over 3 million signatures now!

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Do you think it will reach over 17m before the end of March?

Depends what you use to normalise it against? 2 million votes in under two days is decent progress. Other people have had over two years and maybe have not done quite so well.

[JeMeSouviens]

Of course, but it isn't an election, it's just a petition and doesn't guarantee any outcome. However it's a gauge of the level of unhappiness out there.

Over 3 million signatures now!

:agree: If it gets in the news it raises awareness and might swing a couple of MPs' votes. Same for tomorrow's march which I think will be massive and will lead all the news bulletins over the weekend.

Not that I think the holding of a 2nd ref stands anything other than a minutely remote chance but I think the more noise coming from the Remain side, the softer the eventual fudge.

[PeeJay]

Of course, but it isn't an election, it's just a petition and doesn't guarantee any outcome. However it's a gauge of the level of unhappiness out there.

Over 3 million signatures now!

I could have signed it at least 7 times over and I'm not even in the UK - the site is open to manipulation, what makes you sure it is gauging anything credible? If it's not credible how can it be a mood indicator :confused:

[Hibernia&Alba]

I could have signed it at least 7 times over and I'm not even in the UK - the site is open to manipulation, what makes you sure it is gauging anything credible? If it's not credible how can it be a mood indicator :confused:

But you could say the same of any petition. They are not legally binding documents. Over fifteen million people voted to remain in the EU, 48 per cent of those who voted, so we already know there is a huge amount of unhappiness in the country about the Brexit process. It's hardly surprising such a petition would gain an enormous number of signatures.

[PeeJay]

But you could say the same of any petition. They are not legally binding documents. Over fifteen million people voted to remain in the EU, 48 per cent of those who voted, so we already know there is a huge amount of unhappiness in the country about the Brexit process. It's hardly surprising such a petition would gain an enormous number of signatures.

Fair point, but my point is the lack of credibility (IMO) - this whole Brexit idiocy has been based on people apparently voicing their "unhappiness" - yet much of that decision-making process was not based on anything credible ...


... I signed it BTW - just the once, just in case. :greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

But you could say the same of any petition. They are not legally binding documents. Over fifteen million people voted to remain in the EU, 48 per cent of those who voted, so we already know there is a huge amount of unhappiness in the country about the Brexit process. It's hardly surprising such a petition would gain an enormous number of signatures.

:tsk tsk: Sixteen million. Everyone knows the 17.4 million number, which has been quoted day after day after day after day after day for two and a half years in a tedious and robotic way, but few can quote the 16.1 million.

[Hibernia&Alba]

:tsk tsk: Sixteen million. Everyone knows the 17.4 million number, which has been quoted day after day after day after day after day for two and a half years in a tedious and robotic way, but few can quote the 16.1 million.

I stand corrected :agree:

[theonlywayisup]

Now at 3.4 million

[cabbageandribs1875]

that's a lot of Bots :greengrin

[grunt]

I could have signed it at least 7 times over and I'm not even in the UK - the site is open to manipulation, what makes you sure it is gauging anything credible? If it's not credible how can it be a mood indicator :confused:
You can only sign once per email address as the poll requires email validation.
Are you saying you could sign it 7 times using 7 different email addresses?

[Bangkok Hibby]

You can only sign once per email address as the poll requires email validation.
Are you saying you could sign it 7 times using 7 different email addresses?

Yes

[Jack Hackett]

You can only sign once per email address as the poll requires email validation.
Are you saying you could sign it 7 times using 7 different email addresses?

Even if it were the case, it would still require an extraordinarily obsessed amount of people to achieve the numbers. Straw and clutching spring to mind :faf:

[PeeJay]

You can only sign once per email address as the poll requires email validation.
Are you saying you could sign it 7 times using 7 different email addresses?

Yes, of course - it's that easy ... but I didn't!

My IP here in Germany gives me 5 or 6 "email addresses" then there's "google this" and "yahoo that" and whatever else there is out there ...

[grunt]

You can only sign once per email address as the poll requires email validation.
Are you saying you could sign it 7 times using 7 different email addresses?


Yes, of course - it's that easy ... but I didn't!

My IP here in Germany gives me 5 or 6 "email addresses" then there's "google this" and "yahoo that" and whatever else there is out there ... Well I guess if you did that, it would be a clear indicator that you felt strongly about the issue. I don't think anyone is saying the polling website is foolproof but it certainly seems to show a strength of feeling in the nation.

Let's see what tomorrow brings with the march in London.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Now at over 3.5 million signatures.

[PeeJay]

Well I guess if you did that, it would be a clear indicator that you felt strongly about the issue. I don't think anyone is saying the polling website is foolproof but it certainly seems to show a strength of feeling in the nation.

Let's see what tomorrow brings with the march in London.

Well, we live in a time of fake news and Russian disinformation crews manipulating US elections, and that Brexit referendumb - best be wary IMO - enjoy the march! (or enjoy watching it?) :greengrin

[grunt]

Well, we live in a time of fake news and Russian disinformation crews manipulating US elections, and that Brexit referendumb - best be wary IMO - enjoy the march! (or enjoy watching it?) :greengrinIndeed you are quite right, we need to be wary of fake information. I went to a talk with Carole Cadwalladr, Hannes Grassegger and David Carroll this week, discussing the work of companies like Cambridge Analytica. Enough to make anyone think twice about relying on polls or elections.

[Ozyhibby]

Indeed you are quite right, we need to be wary of fake information. I went to a talk with Carole Cadwalladr, Hannes Grassegger and David Carroll this week, discussing the work of companies like Cambridge Analytica. Enough to make anyone think twice about relying on polls or elections.

The email validation gives protection against the bots used by these companies. You might get the odd daffy signing it with a few emails but that’s about it.


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[Colr]

Seems to be slowing down. Maybe 4 million is peak remoaner!

[jonty]

The email validation gives protection against the bots used by these companies. You might get the odd daffy signing it with a few emails but that’s about it.


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Its not difficult to generate millions of email addresses using random names and create a service to read emails and open web links.

What might be more difficult is combining that with false IP addresses so that they looked to be spread around the UK, or at least from various ISPs.

[Ozyhibby]

Its not difficult to generate millions of email addresses using random names and create a service to read emails and open web links.

What might be more difficult is combining that with false IP addresses so that they looked to be spread around the UK, or at least from various ISPs.

I read a report today saying that actually it is very difficult to do all that? On the BBC?


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[jonty]

I read a report today saying that actually it is very difficult to do all that? On the BBC?


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I've got hundreds of thousands of test lab accounts setup.
Give each of them a handful of domains and suddenly theres millions of accounts.
Given a couple of days, creating 20 million accounts on one standard machine wouldn't be difficult.
throw in cloud processing and its even quicker.

https://www.undocumented-features.com/2018/04/25/create-realistic-lab-users/

As I said, faking hundreds/thousands of source IP addresses isn't something I've had to do, but that I would imagine its not a simple process.
Most bots don't care that you can trace them back as they're just out to disrupt via denial of service attacks. Covering your tracks is trickier.

[jonty]

https://twitter.com/HoCpetitions/status/1109153741180227584
They go into a little detail around what been happening, but all very normal and conspiracy-free.
Unless that's what they want us to think...….

[Slavers]

Seems to be slowing down. Maybe 4 million is peak remoaner!

Soros needs to dig a bit deeper to gain more public support I think.

[hibsbollah]

Soros needs to dig a bit deeper to gain more public support I think.

Given your previous outraged posts on other terrorist atrocities, I was surprised not to see you post similarly on the Christchurch thread. Any reason for that?

[Slavers]

Given your previous outraged posts on other terrorist atrocities, I was surprised not to see you post similarly on the Christchurch thread. Any reason for that?

Stay on topic please, no need to be going down that route. I didn't realise I needed to comment on every thread here.

[Colr]

4 million

[Colr]

Counts for nothing to Andrea Loathsome

[Colr]

Soros needs to dig a bit deeper to gain more public support I think.

Putin stopped putting in for the counter petition at 370k

Guess he’s stoney broke after the 2016 vote and the US elections

[hibsbollah]

Stay on topic please, no need to be going down that route. I didn't realise I needed to comment on every thread here.

Oh, don't worry,I get it.

[Slavers]

Oh, don't worry,I get it.

In your mind I'm sure you do.

[Hibernia&Alba]

4,150,000 at noon today. Incredible really.

[Slavers]

4,150,000 at noon today. Incredible really.

Out a population of 62 million and only just over 4 million signed the petition?

Why is this deemed a success by remainers?

[Eyrie]

Out a population of 62 million and only just over 4 million signed the petition?

Why is this deemed a success by remainers?
How many have signed the pro-Brexit petition?

[Moulin Yarns]

Out a population of 62 million and only just over 4 million signed the petition?

Why is this deemed a success by remainers?

Because it only requires 100,000 to be considered by Parliament?

[Slavers]

How many have signed the pro-Brexit petition?

I'm not getting excited by petitions or protests against a democratic vote.

I'm just curious as to why such a small percent of the UK population signing it creates such excitement.

It reeks of desperation and straw clutching.

[Slavers]

Because it only requires 100,000 to be considered by Parliament?

Have what considered? Stopping brexit? They have been trying to for 3 years!

[jonty]

I'm not getting excited by petitions or protests against a democratic vote.

I'm just curious as to why such a small percent of the UK population signing it creates such excitement.

I reeks of desperation and straw clutching.

Your last sentence - finally one thing I can agree on with you.

[Saturday Boy]

I'm not getting excited by petitions or protests against a democratic vote.

I'm just curious as to why such a small percent of the UK population signing it creates such excitement.

I reeks of desperation and straw clutching.

Someone is taking it seriously.

The elderly lady who set up the petition is now receiving death threats.

Nice people, these Brexiteers.

[Slavers]

Your last sentence - finally one thing I can agree on with you.

Lol just a wee error.

[Moulin Yarns]

Have what considered? Stopping brexit? They have been trying to for 3 years!

To have parliament discuss the question raised in the petition. It is really quite simple, the information is there, on the website if you were interested enough to ask.

[Slavers]

Someone is taking it seriously.

The elderly lady who set up the petition is now receiving death threats.

Nice people, these Brexiteers.

Oh yeah like there are no far left nutters using death threats to intimidate people.

[Moulin Yarns]

Oh yeah like there are no far left nutters using death threats to intimidate people.

Are you saying that all brexiteers are right wing? Yet Jeremy Corbyn is not against Brexit. Doesn't make sense, but because she is receiving death threats they can only come from the far right. Not that I don't think they are.

[Colr]

Oh yeah like there are no far left nutters using death threats to intimidate people.

Only to Jews

[hibsbollah]

Only to Jews

If you're talking about Luciana Berger, she's only had death threats from right wing nutters. Three neo Nazis have been jailed for doing so. In addition, one Left wingnutter called her a c***, for which he was jailed, the other left wing nutter said he hated Jews, for which he was also jailed. Neither left wing nutters abuse involved death threats.

[lapsedhibee]

Out a population of 62 million and only just over 4 million signed the petition?

Why is this deemed a success by remainers?

Brexiters bang on and on and on and on about The 17.4 Million being the biggest ever vote for something, as if the commitment itself that's been shown must make the cause right. By that 'logic', the biggest ever parliamentary petition indicates that whatever it's for must be the right thing to do.

[Slavers]

Brexiters bang on and on and on and on about The 17.4 Million being the biggest ever vote for something, as if the commitment itself that's been shown must make the cause right. By that 'logic', the biggest ever parliamentary petition indicates that whatever it's for must be the right thing to do.

Which one is a democratic vote though?

[lapsedhibee]

Which one is a democratic vote though?

The first one. How does that affect my point?

[speedy_gonzales]

I'm just curious as to why such a small percent of the UK population signing it creates such excitement.

Is the petition only available online, if so, that will be an issue for a significant %age. Then there's all the children that'll probably not partake,,,,

[Jones28]

4.6 million

[Slavers]

The first one. How does that affect my point?

Is our democracy decided by a democratic vote or online petitions?

At the end of the day the people voted leave. Remainers want to try over turn a democratic decision without it ever being implemented. If the shoe was on the other foot how would you react?

Politics and democracy is finished in the UK and history will show only one side the remainers were the ones who finished it.

[Pretty Boy]

Is our democracy decided by a democratic vote or online petitions?

At the end of the day the people voted leave. Remainers want to try over turn a democratic decision without it ever being implemented. If the shoe was on the other foot how would you react?

Politics and democracy is finished in the UK and history will show only one side the remainers were the ones who finished it.

If we are playing the democracy card it's worth pointing out it was very clear the vote was an advisory one. There was and is absolutely no obligation on the part of the government to act on it.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Is our democracy decided by a democratic vote or online petitions?

At the end of the day the people voted leave. Remainers want to try over turn a democratic decision without it ever being implemented. If the shoe was on the other foot how would you react?

Politics and democracy is finished in the UK and history will show only one side the remainers were the ones who finished it.

So the people should have the final say on how we leave, not the politicians.

[1875godsgift]

Is our democracy decided by a democratic vote or online petitions?

At the end of the day the people voted leave. Remainers want to try over turn a democratic decision without it ever being implemented. If the shoe was on the other foot how would you react?

Politics and democracy is finished in the UK and history will show only one side the remainers were the ones who finished it.


How about the ones who lied and misled the public to get the result they wanted?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/27/eu-referendum-reality-check-leave-campaign-promises

[lapsedhibee]

Is our democracy decided by a democratic vote or online petitions?

At the end of the day the people voted leave. Remainers want to try over turn a democratic decision without it ever being implemented. If the shoe was on the other foot how would you react?

Politics and democracy is finished in the UK and history will show only one side the remainers were the ones who finished it.

How could it be the end of the day when it was 3 years ago?

Typical Brexiter 'logic' to claim that having a vote would be undemocratic. Could argue it would be divisive, could argue it would be a waste of time, or a waste of money, but undemocratic? Completely incoherent.

[Moulin Yarns]

4.7 million signed

[Newry Hibs]

4.7 million signed

https://mobile.twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1109087647706873857/photo/2

Including remoaner mcremoanface.

[Eyrie]

How could it be the end of the day when it was 3 years ago?

Typical Brexiter 'logic' to claim that having a vote would be undemocratic. Could argue it would be divisive, could argue it would be a waste of time, or a waste of money, but undemocratic? Completely incoherent.

By Brexiteer logic there is no need for a second referendum, May will be the PM for eternity and Sturgeon will be the First Minister for eternity. There was a democratic vote for all three, so no need for any more voting by the public.

[Newry Hibs]

By Brexiteer logic there is no need for a second referendum, May will be the PM for eternity and Sturgeon will be the First Minister for eternity. There was a democratic vote for all three, so no need for any more voting by the public.

Surely remainers couldn't be fibbing. ...
https://youtu.be/MyJ5_WlbnWs

[Hibrandenburg]

Your last sentence - finally one thing I can agree on with you.

:faf: Freud sends his regards.

[Jack Hackett]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1109087647706873857/photo/2

Including remoaner mcremoanface.

... and of course, everyone knows brexiteers are famous for their veracity. It's a twitter tweet... from a tw"t... No actual proof required?

[Colr]

Interesting lack of support for revoking A50 in Northern Ireland given that they voted to remain.

[Colr]

5 million

[1875godsgift]

Interesting lack of support for revoking A50 in Northern Ireland given that they voted to remain.

Maybe some now seeing it as a route to a United Ireland through the backstop back door? :dunno:

[Moulin Yarns]

Now stands at more than the population of Scotland.

Notable that the top 100 constituencies all voted remain.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Now stands at more than the population of Scotland.

Notable that the top 100 constituencies all voted remain.

Yes, just over 5.5 million at the moment.

[Colr]

Love the idea that we have a public enquiry about this whole mess.

I’d start a petition myself but I can live without the death threats.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i didn't sign but here's a rundown for those that did :) breakdown of signatures by area

https://www.livefrombrexit.com/petitions/241584?fbclid=IwAR0lNkZZ6TmMs0GI0JISbYaArkwpRbJe8m-XS15-5V_UEIDG8mPKe3ZMKRo




UK Signatures 5,653,315 (95.85%)
Overseas Signatures 244,695 (4.15%)
Total UK Electorate signed 12.60%
Total UK Population signed 8.93%





England Signatures 4,663,562
Northern Ireland Signatures 125,321
Scotland Signatures 543,592
Wales Signatures 218,534


that's a huge amount of Scottish votes

[HappyAsHellas]

So, out of all the people ho could be bothered to turn up at an election, over two thirds of them can't be arsed to click on a link? Wow I'm impressed, how many times did you vote for it?
Remember the journalist who has voted 3 times all using the name Donald Trump, and my pet hamster voted twice.

[grunt]

6 million.

[Moulin Yarns]

I see another petition has been rejected because Westminster does not have the authority :greengrin

https://twitter.com/Norrie30/status/1114073709868920833