Since 1875

[Diclonius]

In addition to our earlier post we’d like to note that the club have been in touch today and we are currently working together for a solution

That's great to hear. I hope you reach a compromise that both parties are happy with.

[HibeeHibernian4]

Not going to argue one way or another with the rest of your post (I don't feel informed enough to provide comment), but at the derby at Tynecastle I witnessed what I was later told was a young girl being hit in the face with a smoke bomb thrown from the Hearts end. There is also a long, long list of comprehensive (https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/boro-issue-pyrotechnic-warning-after-9856318) documentation that (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-35402735) they trigger (http://www.espn.co.uk/football/blog/name/93/post/1843240/headline) asthma attacks (https://www.enolagaye.com/risk-assessment-for-pyrotechnics/).

Smoke bombs shouldn't be anywhere near football games.

I think I've said this on another thread, but what is dangerous about smoke bombs and flares is that they are thrown and become dangerous missiles. The reason that it would've hurt is because a metal cylinder got hurled from 50 yards away and hit her in the face (although I think it just missed her but that's besides the point). It would not have hurt more because it was emitting a small amount of purple/maroon/red smoke.

The asthma thing, again this is why I'd have sections where it was allowed (read Scandinavia, America etc). This way, anybody with asthma (one of my closest pals, for example) would know not to stand there. If anyone sets one off in another section, then they are dealt with firmly.

[Torto7]

Sanity at last. The sign of a good leader is when they can admit they got something wrong. Hopefully it was done in the heat of the moment and you guys bore the brunt of it(as unfair as that is).

I still smell the plod all over this. They've had a bee in their bonnet about Hibs since SDG received a ball delivered by a chap known as Henderson.

[Hibeewilly]

In addition to our earlier post we’d like to note that the club have been in touch today and we are currently working together for a solution
Good news and good luck

[weecounty hibby]

In addition to our earlier post we’d like to note that the club have been in touch today and we are currently working together for a solution

That sounds like progress. Hopefully this will be resolved as both Since1875 and Leeann have been positives for Hibs.

[tonyrougier123]

Id just like to say how much appreciation I have for since1875 for creating an atmosphere at the games, and all the amazing footage on twitter of marching to the grounds and singing in the stands its what its all about guys.you have my full backing.👍.

[J-C]

I am a Hibs supporter and i buy my tickets to every game because i want to support my team home and away and have done so for many many years.

The last few years have seen a rise in incidents within the support concerning smoke bombs, running on to the pitch, and fighting amongst ourselves too.

The emergence of a young supporters group to sing songs and create atmosphere was welcomed by the club and us supporters as it was good to be part of a full stadium and sing all game.

IMPO and i say this is my opinion, the club have bent over backwards to accomodate this section, never in my lifetime as a Hibs supporter have the club given such license to any other group.

Things were fine and dandy and everyone sang their praises, then IMO things began to change and i think they thought they could do what ever they wanted inside our stadium or at away grounds. Now as someone who has lived through the notoris "casual" days i hate to think that these lads think they can emulate them!

This group took in on themselves to push the club to action earlier this season in trying to take over the famous five lower despite knowing that the area is a designated family area and has been for many years now. Granted the ticket office should have spotted this happening and brought it to the notice of the club before it did. Dempster intervened and said NO gave them their money back and they were told to accept access to seats elsewhere.

They have had access to the stadium to make up wonderful displays for match day, supporters have donated cash to help them do this, again this was unprecedented.
Yet all i can see from this noticeboard is complaints when they are told NO by the club on anything they think they have a blanket right to do?

I didnt see the original post that was taken down but from the many many pages of continual bickering the original poster who felt he had to take his post down did the right thing!

I have watched at away games the attitude of some of these "supporters" and it is no wonder they are finally being reighned in by the club.

I saw the so called marchers being led along Albion Road by an older supporter giving them instructions to group together, from what i could see there was around 20 of them and they were straggling along the road all over the place.

then i dont know how many times supporters have been told about bringing smoke bombs to games. These are dangerous and people have been hurt in one way or the other by their use.

I cant understand why that lad ran on to the park last week, i just cant believe he didnt know the consequences of doing so. I often wonder if anybody reads the small print on their ticket or listens to the loundspeaker announcements made. Its just crazy and yes the club WILL be punished. Strict Liability is being banded about on this thread, do they know the full meaning behind that phrase and the concequenses to the club


every club not just Hibs has their own band of supporters trying to push bounderies and be more important than the rest. Do they not understand that the club has a duty of care to provide a safe and comfortable stadium for us to enjoy our football? They wont always get it right but when people act like this at a sporting event it endagers the welll being of the other spectators.

Throwing coins is also a NO NO we have had reports of people getting hurt like this too, look at our previous manager who was hit on the face!

Dempster had to take control and come down hard regarding these actions she is doing her job! YES she is in charge and can and will do what she can to stop this idiotic behaviour getting worse.

This wee group of youngsters started out so positively and ended up pushing the bounderies with the club. They were welcomed by the support but if they dont have a good think about what is happening they will lose all credibility with the rest of the support who will get fed up of the constant feuds with the club.

Top post :top marks

[PatHead]

In addition to our earlier post we’d like to note that the club have been in touch today and we are currently working together for a solution

Glad to hear that. Hope it gets resolved soon.

[PatHead]

Id just like to say how much appreciation I have for since1875 for creating an atmosphere at the games, and all the amazing footage on twitter of marching to the grounds and singing in the stands its what its all about guys.you have my full backing.👍.

When I first read this I thought it said swinging in the stand and thought you were a very inclusive group!

[pacoluna]

LD has gone awfully Anne budgety recently.

[Phil MaGlass]

While I do think that LD is the best CEO we've had in decades I agree that she hasn't stood up for the support in the way someone like the late Tom Hart did.

After all the trouble at Ibrox a couple of seasons back it was left to Frank Dougan to comment on what had happened. That led to him receiving loads of sectarian abuse.

It would have been a much stronger, more powerful and braver message, if it had been delivered by LD. A former Rangers fan denouncing Rangers fans behaviour would have highlighted the situation to a far greater degree, and to a much wider audience , than leaving it to Frank Dougan.

Ansolutely. Gutless and f.n spineless against the huns. Still makes me f.n angry. I think as many do she does a great job, but again,IMO gutless and spineless to stand up to huns.

[.Sean.]

What a farcical situation

[The 90+2]

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It’s absolutely not and probably down to respect it’s not been completely ripped to shreds more than once.

[The 90+2]

LD has gone awfully Anne budgety recently.

She’s had to look as if she’s acting upon the fannies that ruin the good name of the club for everyone else I suppose. It’s the wrong folk getting it in the neck though. Individuals should be punished and it should be a police matter first.

[pacoluna]

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It really isn't, possibly the worst I've seen on this forum.

[HibeeHibernian4]

It really isn't, possibly the worst I've seen on this forum.

A nice feeling when we're on the same page for once. :aok:

[The 90+2]

A nice feeling when we're on the same page for once. :aok:

👍 snap.

[Keith_M]

In addition to our earlier post we’d like to note that the club have been in touch today and we are currently working together for a solution


That's good to hear, I hope you get this resolved.

:aok:

[Keith_M]

It’s absolutely not and probably down to respect it’s not been completely ripped to shreds more than once.


Agreed.

That post is a load of nonsense, as he's trying to link every bit of bad behaviour at Hibs games to the Since1875 group.

Trying to link them to the CCS,.. well that's just a joke.

[penihibs]

Id just like to say how much appreciation I have for since1875 for creating an atmosphere at the games, and all the amazing footage on twitter of marching to the grounds and singing in the stands its what its all about guys.you have my full backing.👍.Agree totally!

[hibee_nation]

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Can't agree, piece of nonsense which was rightly ripped to shreds.

[Besties Debut]

This to me is the pinnacle of absolute nonsense in this post. You appear to be claiming that there's a chance Since 1875 might be looking to emulate the CCS by...trialling a singing section in the Famous Five Lower for a League Cup second round game against Ross County in the middle of August. If that's the worst the CCS ever did then they should hand back all the money they made from the autobiographies.. These colours don't drum

[Radium]

When the relationship has worked some of the displays have been brilliant.

Time for Heroes banner turned out to be iconic.

The Natural Order banner was a really good retort and gave us an iconic picture

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190318/975d536adcf218bc399c0bbbabfd906c.jpg

Having been on a march to Tynecastle I can see the lure. They are tribal but without any opposition fans.

Hope things get sorted


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[HibeeHibernian4]

These colours don't drum

:greengrin

[brianmc]

Can't agree, piece of nonsense which was rightly ripped to shreds.

I've just read all the way through this depressing thread. Some really dire reading.
But the comment I've quoted leaves me with a modicum of hope that all is not lost.
GGTTH.

[The Baldmans Comb]

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It wasn't and it was subsequently destroyed piece by piece.

[Stantons Angel]

I genuinely think this might be the worst, most uninformed post on .net I've ever read. I'm going to have to go through it beat by beat to really comprehend it.



The number of smoke bombs in Hibs' support has decreased significantly since the Section 43 days. Any excuse to watch Griffiths' free kick at Tynecastle again, but watch in the aftermath as at least three or four smoke bombs are hurled onto the pitch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M18D10Lm0is

Hibs fighting amongst themselves almost exclusively happens at Hampden on Semi Final or Final days out. This is down to people not being able to handle their drink and behaving like complete tits. How you've managed to link that to the singing section is beyond me.



Unless you have specialist insider knowledge that I don't, I don't see what the club have done to bend over backwards and accommodate the singing section. Sticking them up in the corner furthest away from the pitch where the East can't hear them? What kind of license is that?



This to me is the pinnacle of absolute nonsense in this post. You appear to be claiming that there's a chance Since 1875 might be looking to emulate the CCS by...trialling a singing section in the Famous Five Lower for a League Cup second round game against Ross County in the middle of August. If that's the worst the CCS ever did then they should hand back all the money they made from the autobiographies.



As BouncerRoss and other posters have touched upon, I think what the singing section take umbrage with is the idea of this being a 'privilege'. A lot of their own time and effort must go into these displays and the club giving them a bit of space in which to prepare it is hardly VIP treatment. These displays are the ones they then market and profit from. "Time for Heroes" being the best example!



A bit all over the place here, so we start by talking about away games and then leap to Albion Road. I don't think any Hibs fans have ever marched from Albion Road to an away game before, but happy to amend that if I'm proven wrong. The fact that you don't know the bare minimum about ultra groups (ie what a 'capo' is) tells me you might not be qualified to talk about this subject with any great authority.



They are demonstrably fine.



Again, you somehow seem to believe that Since 1875 have managed to climb down from the Famous Five Upper, run to the far end of the East Stand and then try and attack Tavernier? I'm not quite following the logic here. Ditto the coins.


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I think what's happened here is that you have managed to confuse any person under the age of 25 for a member of Since 1875. In which case, have you considered a job as a steward or in Police Scotland? You might have a lot in common, as far as I can tell.

Dempster is 'taking control' by punishing the wrong group of people, that much, to me, is obvious.




In answer to your comments above i am NOT trying to blame any one either under 25 nor over 65. If you take a step back from your rant and look at the comments from an on lookers point of view maybe you will see that there are other views of what is happening within the Hibs support.

I am trying to give my opinion here and whether you personally like it or not is imaterial to the things that are going on that effect us all as Hibs supporters.

As i said, over the years a few groups have wanted to do things new and the club then were not very receptive to anything new. Nothing ever came of the ideas put forward. This time round the club have listened and helped facillitate your ideas. Which to me is a a big contrast to earlier years. So well done!

Again you are mis interpretating my meaning concerning the persons causing the wrong doings and my comparisim of them to the casuals. My post is written on a broader basis than just the Singing Section. I am only giving my opinion based on the era that these guys were around as i seen it happen.

Please credit me with a wee bitty savvy too. i was NOT trying to say that it was someone from the singing section who ran on to the park either. Nor did id appropriate blame to the singing section regarding the Smoke bombs either..

Whether their use has decreased or not it is still an offence to bring them into or around a football stadium whoever brings them!

You have a right to give your opinion on my post and you have but you have looked at this as being an attack on the Singing Section or young people in general.

My post tried to point out all elements of the bad behaviour bringing our club name into disrepute at the moment and im sure some of the readers would understand that. you have clearly come out fighting after taking the points as being aimed at the Singing Section wholly when this is a very general view im trying to give.

AND i am not and never have been interested in a job as a steward, no disrespect to anyone but im not really that deperate!

Good Luck with your meeting with the club.

[The 90+2]

In answer to your comments above i am NOT trying to blame any one either under 25 nor over 65. If you take a step back from your rant and look at the comments from an on lookers point of view maybe you will see that there are other views of what is happening within the Hibs support.

I am trying to give my opinion here and whether you personally like it or not is imaterial to the things that are going on that effect us all as Hibs supporters.

As i said, over the years a few groups have wanted to do things new and the club then were not very receptive to anything new. Nothing ever came of the ideas put forward. This time round the club have listened and helped facillitate your ideas. Which to me is a a big contrast to earlier years. So well done!

Again you are mis interpretating my meaning concerning the persons causing the wrong doings and my comparisim of them to the casuals. My post is written on a broader basis than just the Singing Section. I am only giving my opinion based on the era that these guys were around as i seen it happen.

Please credit me with a wee bitty savvy too. i was NOT trying to say that it was someone from the singing section who ran on to the park either. Nor did id appropriate blame to the singing section regarding the Smoke bombs either..

Whether their use has decreased or not it is still an offence to bring them into or around a football stadium whoever brings them!

You have a right to give your opinion on my post and you have but you have looked at this as being an attack on the Singing Section or young people in general.

My post tried to point out all elements of the bad behaviour bringing our club name into disrepute at the moment and im sure some of the readers would understand that. you have clearly come out fighting after taking the points as being aimed at the Singing Section wholly when this is a very general view im trying to give.

AND i am not and never have been interested in a job as a steward, no disrespect to anyone but im not really that deperate!

Good Luck with your meeting with the club.

Again with all due respect:

It wasn’t a rant, it was a defence. The rest, I’ll leave it to others should they wish, your post didn’t come across well at all and maybe even out of character knowing away from this board 👍

[Jonnyboy]

One of the group members said previously on one of these threads that they don’t get any special privileges for games at Tynie etc.

I asked the question, J and was told it doesn't happen and the fact that they are able to congregate in one area - e.g. Tynecastle is because they stand three or four to a seat.

[hibsboy69]

I have not spoken to any fan who doesn't want the Since1875 guys (singing section) to move back to The East

Aye, the banners ("Natural Order" especially) have been brilliant...……….but the atmosphere when they were in The East was phenomenal !

PLEASE move back to The East lads...………..and if the club threaten to ban the drum (again) you can just say "no" this time !

:flag::flag::flag:

[jacomo]

I have not spoken to any fan who doesn't want the Since1875 guys (singing section) to move back to The East

Aye, the banners ("Natural Order" especially) have been brilliant...……….but the atmosphere when they were in The East was phenomenal !

PLEASE move back to The East lads...………..and if the club threaten to ban the drum (again) you can just say "no" this time !

:flag::flag::flag:


:agree:

[cabbageandribs1875]

I have not spoken to any fan who doesn't want the Since1875 guys (singing section) to move back to The East

Aye, the banners ("Natural Order" especially) have been brilliant...……….but the atmosphere when they were in The East was phenomenal !

PLEASE move back to The East lads...………..and if the club threaten to ban the drum (again) you can just say "no" this time !

:flag::flag::flag:



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[Peevemor]

Was the "time for heroes" banner à Since 1875 thing?

[0762]

In addition to our earlier post we’d like to note that the club have been in touch today and we are currently working together for a solution

Good to hear but can't help think that it should never have come to this.

[HibeeHibernian4]

Was the "time for heroes" banner à Since 1875 thing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ClxHnQoSRo

[NAE NOOKIE]

I know this thread is not about re-locating the singing section but I can't let your comment go unchallenged as the long term interests do not solely revolve around the singing section. I personally like the singing section having been apprehensive at first but the whole club cannot revolve around 1875. A large number of them even stayed in the old section as they don't like watching football behind the goals. I wish they would get a drum and work with 1875 to bounce off each other.

For some time Leeann has indicated that she wants the FF lower to return to a genuine family section to encourage the next generation of supporters.

Plans for this started at the end of last season when season ticket holders were advised that they would not be able to renew their seats this season if they were not part of a family group with children. It is hard on these fans but there were no seats next to each other available to encourage the next generation. Season ticket prices were increased with the £25 ticket being doubled to reduce the amount of seat blockers.

Next season the interior of the lower stand will be made more child friendly with activities aimed at encouraging youngsters to attend games. I understand it will be things like decorating the area, facepainting, the mascot, Hibs Kid challenges, more child friendly food etc.

Having brought my kids up following Hibs I know that, at times, it was difficult to encourage them and stop them from being bored. Hopefully this will help and make it easier to attract them. In turn that would help with a reduction in empty seats.

The club (Especially Leeann) have encouraged the section over the years, first allowing the drum, allowing banners to be stored and made under the stand, moving season ticket holders out of the FF upper to accommodate 1875, (an area which they chose by the way), providing them with seats together at away matches including Tynecastle to help the atmosphere while everyone else is running around trying to get them. It hasn't always been 1875 fighting the club to get these things as seems to be portrayed.

I don't know what the disagreement is about or what 1875 are alleged to have done but I have to assume that something has happened. There are always two sides to every story. Make no mistake Hibs are under pressure about the behaviour of a section of our fans. The media love to stick the boot into us and she will be under pressure to be seen to act. Having flares in the singing section will not have helped. 1875 managed to help before by moving to the front of the East when there were problems at the back of the stand. (Not of 1875's making).

I hope it can be resolved but I do know that Leeann won't do it in public or on Hibs.net.

Hopefully Tracey or Frank can help bridge the gap.

OK that's fine … I presume you found all this out at a working together meeting or something, because I haven't seen this new approach mentioned before.

I'm aware that the adults whose kids have grown up are being moved out of the FF lower, my group will be one of them if a specific youth decides not to renew, so that will be 5 of us ( excluding the youth in question ) who have sat in the FF lower for years being moved on. Though I have always preferred to sit behind the goals its not such a big deal really, if its for the good of the club I'll be happy to move. But what will piss me off is seeing that section of the ground from my new vantage point half empty or more next season as it has been this season at practically every game.

How will a few face painters and an indoor bouncy castle personally inflated by Sunshine the Leith Lynx or whatever make a difference when half the folk who actually have bought STs for the FF lower cant be arsed to turn up, even for 3pm kick offs on a Saturday … did you see it against Motherwell?, I've seen ASDAs in Galashiels busier at 9am on a Sunday morning.

That's why I think the singing section deserve a shot at the FF lower, not just because I genuinely think it will encourage the section to grow, make them easier to police and improve the atmosphere by a good bit, but because the use for which the FF lower was originally earmarked may have been a huge success in shifting £25 a pop season tickets ( if the constant sold out signs on the E ticket site are anything to go by ) but a dismal failure in getting these folk to actually bring their kids to the matches.

I will be very interested to see if the new approach by Hibs works out … its all very well doing everything you can to attract youngsters, but a futile waste of time if the responsible adult who bought their kids tickets can only be bothered to bring them to a handful of games a season ….. if they are going to do that surely its better to flog them the unpopular seats in the end sections of the east and west than give them seats in a prime location where the massive empty spaces at every game show our club in a bad light.

But I guess my opinion is neither here nor there, Hibs will do what they will do. But in view of that they must find a way to accommodate the singing section in another part of the stadium … its pretty clear that for a number of reasons the FF upper experiment hasn't worked and perhaps its time they went back to the east. None of that changes my opinion that the FF lower was and is the best place for them.

[RIP]

100 young lads standing and singing in the top corner of the family stand are the focus of negative press yet 1500 fans standing in Sections 43-45 produce a bottle thrower and a pitch invader and so far no action. A bit cockeyed if you ask me.

[Tornadoes70]

OK that's fine … I presume you found all this out at a working together meeting or something, because I haven't seen this new approach mentioned before.

I'm aware that the adults whose kids have grown up are being moved out of the FF lower, my group will be one of them if a specific youth decides not to renew, so that will be 5 of us ( excluding the youth in question ) who have sat in the FF lower for years being moved on. Though I have always preferred to sit behind the goals its not such a big deal really, if its for the good of the club I'll be happy to move. But what will piss me off is seeing that section of the ground from my new vantage point half empty or more next season as it has been this season at practically every game.

How will a few face painters and an indoor bouncy castle personally inflated by Sunshine the Leith Lynx or whatever make a difference when half the folk who actually have bought STs for the FF lower cant be arsed to turn up, even for 3pm kick offs on a Saturday … did you see it against Motherwell?, I've seen ASDAs in Galashiels busier at 9am on a Sunday morning.

That's why I think the singing section deserve a shot at the FF lower, not just because I genuinely think it will encourage the section to grow, make them easier to police and improve the atmosphere by a good bit, but because the use for which the FF lower was originally earmarked may have been a huge success in shifting £25 a pop season tickets ( if the constant sold out signs on the E ticket site are anything to go by ) but a dismal failure in getting these folk to actually bring their kids to the matches.

I will be very interested to see if the new approach by Hibs works out … its all very well doing everything you can to attract youngsters, but a futile waste of time if the responsible adult who bought their kids tickets can only be bothered to bring them to a handful of games a season ….. if they are going to do that surely its better to flog them the unpopular seats in the end sections of the east and west than give them seats in a prime location where the massive empty spaces at every game show our club in a bad light.

But I guess my opinion is neither here nor there, Hibs will do what they will do. But in view of that they must find a way to accommodate the singing section in another part of the stadium … its pretty clear that for a number of reasons the FF upper experiment hasn't worked and perhaps its time they went back to the east. None of that changes my opinion that the FF lower was and is the best place for them.

Who could argue against this post?

The FF Lower was always the natural place for a dedicated singing section.

Mon the Cabbage!!!

[Peevemor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ClxHnQoSRo

OK cheers :aok:

[J-C]

Who could argue against this post?

The FF Lower was always the natural place for a dedicated singing section.

Mon the Cabbage!!!
I've said the same many times, get them into the lower section or back to the east, wasted up in that corner.

[Since452]

All for the singing section in the FF lower. Makes senses on every level.

[ronaldo7]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ClxHnQoSRo

They don't deserve you. The amount of time, effort, and money, you guys have put in is phenomenal. Whilst the rest of us were still in the pub, you were putting the final touches to, time for heroes.

I hope it works out for you, and you get rid of the wee radges who are tarnishing your name.

[Diclonius]

I think I've said this on another thread, but what is dangerous about smoke bombs and flares is that they are thrown and become dangerous missiles. The reason that it would've hurt is because a metal cylinder got hurled from 50 yards away and hit her in the face (although I think it just missed her but that's besides the point). It would not have hurt more because it was emitting a small amount of purple/maroon/red smoke.

The asthma thing, again this is why I'd have sections where it was allowed (read Scandinavia, America etc). This way, anybody with asthma (one of my closest pals, for example) would know not to stand there. If anyone sets one off in another section, then they are dealt with firmly.

That's a fair solution, but I'm not sure Easter Road (or most Scottish stadia) are big enough to accommodate a dedicated "smoke bomb section" without it still spreading to other parts of the ground. I mind a few seasons ago someone let off a smoke bomb in section 43 and it eventually spread all over the East.

[BILLYHIBS]

OK that's fine … I presume you found all this out at a working together meeting or something, because I haven't seen this new approach mentioned before.

I'm aware that the adults whose kids have grown up are being moved out of the FF lower, my group will be one of them if a specific youth decides not to renew, so that will be 5 of us ( excluding the youth in question ) who have sat in the FF lower for years being moved on. Though I have always preferred to sit behind the goals its not such a big deal really, if its for the good of the club I'll be happy to move. But what will piss me off is seeing that section of the ground from my new vantage point half empty or more next season as it has been this season at practically every game.

How will a few face painters and an indoor bouncy castle personally inflated by Sunshine the Leith Lynx or whatever make a difference when half the folk who actually have bought STs for the FF lower cant be arsed to turn up, even for 3pm kick offs on a Saturday … did you see it against Motherwell?, I've seen ASDAs in Galashiels busier at 9am on a Sunday morning.

That's why I think the singing section deserve a shot at the FF lower, not just because I genuinely think it will encourage the section to grow, make them easier to police and improve the atmosphere by a good bit, but because the use for which the FF lower was originally earmarked may have been a huge success in shifting £25 a pop season tickets ( if the constant sold out signs on the E ticket site are anything to go by ) but a dismal failure in getting these folk to actually bring their kids to the matches.

I will be very interested to see if the new approach by Hibs works out … its all very well doing everything you can to attract youngsters, but a futile waste of time if the responsible adult who bought their kids tickets can only be bothered to bring them to a handful of games a season ….. if they are going to do that surely its better to flog them the unpopular seats in the end sections of the east and west than give them seats in a prime location where the massive empty spaces at every game show our club in a bad light.

But I guess my opinion is neither here nor there, Hibs will do what they will do. But in view of that they must find a way to accommodate the singing section in another part of the stadium … its pretty clear that for a number of reasons the FF upper experiment hasn't worked and perhaps its time they went back to the east. None of that changes my opinion that the FF lower was and is the best place for them.
Aye this!

[Mikey]

OK that's fine … I presume you found all this out at a working together meeting or something, because I haven't seen this new approach mentioned before.

I'm aware that the adults whose kids have grown up are being moved out of the FF lower, my group will be one of them if a specific youth decides not to renew, so that will be 5 of us ( excluding the youth in question ) who have sat in the FF lower for years being moved on. Though I have always preferred to sit behind the goals its not such a big deal really, if its for the good of the club I'll be happy to move. But what will piss me off is seeing that section of the ground from my new vantage point half empty or more next season as it has been this season at practically every game.

How will a few face painters and an indoor bouncy castle personally inflated by Sunshine the Leith Lynx or whatever make a difference when half the folk who actually have bought STs for the FF lower cant be arsed to turn up, even for 3pm kick offs on a Saturday … did you see it against Motherwell?, I've seen ASDAs in Galashiels busier at 9am on a Sunday morning.

That's why I think the singing section deserve a shot at the FF lower, not just because I genuinely think it will encourage the section to grow, make them easier to police and improve the atmosphere by a good bit, but because the use for which the FF lower was originally earmarked may have been a huge success in shifting £25 a pop season tickets ( if the constant sold out signs on the E ticket site are anything to go by ) but a dismal failure in getting these folk to actually bring their kids to the matches.

I will be very interested to see if the new approach by Hibs works out … its all very well doing everything you can to attract youngsters, but a futile waste of time if the responsible adult who bought their kids tickets can only be bothered to bring them to a handful of games a season ….. if they are going to do that surely its better to flog them the unpopular seats in the end sections of the east and west than give them seats in a prime location where the massive empty spaces at every game show our club in a bad light.

But I guess my opinion is neither here nor there, Hibs will do what they will do. But in view of that they must find a way to accommodate the singing section in another part of the stadium … its pretty clear that for a number of reasons the FF upper experiment hasn't worked and perhaps its time they went back to the east. None of that changes my opinion that the FF lower was and is the best place for them.


Who could argue against this post?



I could :greengrin

The club is trying to move out the seat blockers so that families can move in there. We very rarely have anyone sitting in front of us and when we do it's adults only, with no kids in tow. Presumably the club feels that once those seats are freed up they will be taken up by family groups. Just because a group of 5 adults move out it doesn't mean that those seats will be unused.

There's no doubt that the FF Lower would be a good section for Since 1875, but it's also a good section for families and that's the group the club is targeting here.

And on another note, hopefully the language will improve in there from next season. Some people clearly forget where they are and who's sitting near them.

[Keith_M]

Who could argue against this post?

The FF Lower was always the natural place for a dedicated singing section.

Mon the Cabbage!!!


Sorry, that seat's taken.

[BILLYHIBS]

I could :greengrin

The club is trying to move out the seat blockers so that families can move in there. We very rarely have anyone sitting in front of us and when we do it's adults only, with no kids in tow. Presumably the club feels that once those seats are freed up they will be taken up by family groups. Just because a group of 5 adults move out it doesn't mean that those seats will be unused.

There's no doubt that the FF Lower would be a good section for Since 1875, but it's also a good section for families and that's the group the club is targeting here.

And on another note, hopefully the language will improve in there from next season. Some people clearly forget where they are and who's sitting near them.

If that is the case it means that the FF lower will be empty inperpituity

One set of seat blockers will be replaced by another set

It is a viscious circle

Child STs are that cheap it is of little consequence to the average family so people tend to suit themselves and get out of the habit of attending though I understand the club plan to put up the child price from next season

I remember when the FF first opened checks were minimal and fathers and sons all had £25 Season Tickets though time of course catches up with them

[scooby]

As someone who sits in the FF lower and attends every home match with 4 kids, I share the frustration of others regarding empty seats. I do think that the FF lower would be the best place for the singing section, but the club clearly have other ideas, so the east would be the next best location.
Raising the kids ticket price to £50 for next season will definitely help, but I do think that each ticket should be used a minimum number of times each season to get the full discounted price for the following season. Not sure how this would be policed, but the club have all the attendance details.

[Onceinawhile]

Raising the kids ticket price to £50 for next season will definitely help, but I do think that each ticket should be used a minimum number of times each season to get the full discounted price for the following season. Not sure how this would be policed, but the club have all the attendance details.

I think this is sensible. It relies on the scanners recording details accurately though, which they don't at this moment in time. (or didn't last season anyway, not sure if they've been upgraded). The other problem is there's nothing to stop you going on your own and scanning all the tickets.

[Mikey]

..... I do think that each ticket should be used a minimum number of times each season to get the full discounted price for the following season. Not sure how this would be policed, but the club have all the attendance details.

Yep, agree completely with that.

[Hibrandenburg]

Still waiting on an apology from those who jumped in feet first. Not that I'm holding my breath.

Things like that are why people get banned then run off to use phrases like taliban.net.

However it does give an interesting insight into the knee-jerk kind of reaction that might bring some into conflict with the club they support.

[ian cruise]

I could :greengrin

The club is trying to move out the seat blockers so that families can move in there. We very rarely have anyone sitting in front of us and when we do it's adults only, with no kids in tow. Presumably the club feels that once those seats are freed up they will be taken up by family groups. Just because a group of 5 adults move out it doesn't mean that those seats will be unused.

There's no doubt that the FF Lower would be a good section for Since 1875, but it's also a good section for families and that's the group the club is targeting here.

And on another note, hopefully the language will improve in there from next season. Some people clearly forget where they are and who's sitting near them.

Just to follow on from this, it obvious the club at trying different things to help improve the atmosphere. Let them try make FFL more family oriented and if it is, as some suggest, completely empty and affecting th atmosphere then propose moving the singing section there again.

As far as I'm aware the proposal to move them came after the club had already decided they wanted to try focus that area on being more family friendly, that doesn't mean the club won't reconsider it if their initial plan proves unsuccessful.

Hopefully this can be resolved and the guys who put their time, effort as well as heart and soul in to making the displays, etc. get back to a good working relationship with the club. We just need to be careful the bampot element don't try get involved and ruin their hard work the way it has with some other clubs ie the green brigade.

[Hibrandenburg]

If we want a proper atmosphere at games, then perhaps more of us than just one or two sections should just create it.

As much as I enjoy most of the singing from the group in the FF Upper, we shouldn't have to rely on a small but organized group that rarely turn up for the smaller cup games and take a moody now and then and refuse to sing (like first half yesterday).

:agree: Again, it's telling that it appears that some decided to jump all over a thread that was praising another group for spontaneously creating a good atmosphere and turning it into a "club bad" thread. Makes it look like some egos have been injured.

[Mikey]

Just to follow on from this, it obvious the club at trying different things to help improve the atmosphere. Let them try make FFL more family oriented and if it is, as some suggest, completely empty and affecting th atmosphere then propose moving the singing section there again.

As far as I'm aware the proposal to move them came after the club had already decided they wanted to try focus that area on being more family friendly, that doesn't mean the club won't reconsider it if their initial plan proves unsuccessful.



Agreed. If the FF Lower is still half empty in 2 years time then it should be reviewed, however they're clearly going ahead with the family area and looking to promote it, but it has to be given time.

[PatHead]

As someone who sits in the FF lower and attends every home match with 4 kids, I share the frustration of others regarding empty seats. I do think that the FF lower would be the best place for the singing section, but the club clearly have other ideas, so the east would be the next best location.
Raising the kids ticket price to £50 for next season will definitely help, but I do think that each ticket should be used a minimum number of times each season to get the full discounted price for the following season. Not sure how this would be policed, but the club have all the attendance details.

The commercial depth did look at the use of children's tickets throughout the stadium. Believe it or not but the ff lower was no worse than other stands.

I think we have to do something to attract young fans and if there is no improvement maybe we can look into moving the singing section.

[Moulin Yarns]

:agree: Again, it's telling that it appears that some decided to jump all over a thread that was praising another group for spontaneously creating a good atmosphere and turning it into a "club bad" thread. Makes it look like some egos have been injured.

Exactly how I saw it. The spontaneous singing from the group in the West Stand came over loud and clear on the radio, something that can't be said about the group in the corner of the FFU.

[NAE NOOKIE]

I could :greengrin

The club is trying to move out the seat blockers so that families can move in there. We very rarely have anyone sitting in front of us and when we do it's adults only, with no kids in tow. Presumably the club feels that once those seats are freed up they will be taken up by family groups. Just because a group of 5 adults move out it doesn't mean that those seats will be unused.

There's no doubt that the FF Lower would be a good section for Since 1875, but it's also a good section for families and that's the group the club is targeting here.

And on another note, hopefully the language will improve in there from next season. Some people clearly forget where they are and who's sitting near them.

That's one way to look at it …. but I'm willing to bet that the so called seat blockers are a minimal problem. Have a look at the E Ticketing site for the Kilmarnock game, there isn't a single seat available for the match in the FF lower and that's in keeping with every game this season. Its not the legacy adults from back in the day who are failing to turn up, its the adults with existing kids tickets who aren't coming and who by definition aren't bringing their kids either.

The problem it seems to me isn't an inability to sell kids tickets in the FF lower, or more to the point a problem selling more for kids because families cant get seats together, its an inability to get folk who buy them to turn up. If it wasn't for the legacy adults like me the FF lower would be a bloody desert on a Saturday and if the solution to that is to punt us to fill the place with even more folk who think supporting the club is to turn up 5 times a season then I for one cant say I'm impressed by that.

So in conclusion, now we have a situation where Hibs are taking steps to punt the legacy adults in order to free up more seats in that area … As I said, that's fine if the result will be to fill the FF lower …. but the evidence is that all you will be doing is replacing the folk who do turn up with even more folk who will be at less than a third of matches. Lets have a look at the pros and cons and my take on the issue of kids filling or not filling the FF lower on a Saturday:

Why I will take the kids to ER today and use that ST I paid £50 for.

The wee buggers been hassling me all week to go.
I have nothing better to do this Saturday and there isn't a decent EPL match on SKY
The weather is better today.
Hibs have introduced face painting and are selling a new style veggie burger cut into the shape of his favourite You Tube blogger.

Why I wont take the kids to ER today and use that ST I paid £50 for.

I've looked out the window and I'm sure I saw a snowflake.
Its a school day tomorrow and my 10 year old cant cope with being in his bed after 11pm 5 times a year.
Antie Aggie is coming on Saturday and the kids would rather go to Princes street with her than watch Hibs play Aberdeen … whether the like it or not.
The guy in front of us swore last Saturday, I'm not subjecting my kids to that.
I only bought the bloody ticket because it guarantees me a ticket for my pal if Hibs have a big match where tickets are scarce and 4 tickets instead of 2 if we make the cup final.
There is a decent EPL match on SKY and wee Johnny would rather watch that than Hibs v Hamilton, especially coz it will give him a chance to wear that Man City top he insisted on getting for his birthday.

See you in the east :rolleyes:

[Since452]

All for a family area at Easter Road but the FF lower is not the place for it. It's half empty most of the time and looks poor and not very inspiring. We should have a loud singing section in there making it intimidating for the opposition team and inspirational for our own. Imagine that area bouncing and all the flags waving... would be superb. Disappointing the club can't see that. The general consensus on here anyway seems to be that the FF lower is the best place for the singing section. Have the fans reps relayed that to the board?

[BILLYHIBS]

All for a family area at Easter Road but the FF lower is not the place for it. It's half empty most of the time and looks poor and not very inspiring. We should have a loud singing section in there making it intimidating for the opposition team and inspirational for our own. Imagine that area bouncing and all the flags waving... would be superb. Disappointing the club can't see that.
Simples!

Make the family section FFU

The bairns will get a better view sheltered from the rain and well away from Huns smellies and yams

As others have said an empty FFL looks naff on TV and shows the club in a bad light

[Kojock]

Simples!

Make the family section FFU

The bairns will get a better view sheltered from the rain and well away from Huns smellies and yams

As others have said an empty FFL looks naff on TV and shows the club in a bad light

I get the feeling that LD doesn't want Since 1875 anywhere near the pitch. I agree the kids could be put in the FUR even from a safety point of view it's only a matter of time before a kid gets smacked in the face from a stray shot during the warm up or game.

[oldbutdim]

Simples!

Make the family section FFU

The bairns will get a better view sheltered from the rain and well away from Huns smellies and yams

As others have said an empty FFL looks naff on TV and shows the club in a bad light


No ta.

Bad enough the bloody noise from these singers imposed on us; bloody flares and drumsticks flying about the place; then you can't get near the cludgie for a queue of dope fiends standing twitching and shouting, and now you want a bunch of brats sent up who will drop crayons on the stairs and whinge and moan when they break a tooth on the pie crust?

Pick on somewhere else chum.

[BILLYHIBS]

No ta.

Bad enough the bloody noise from these singers imposed on us; bloody flares and drumsticks flying about the place; then you can't get near the cludgie for a queue of dope fiends standing twitching and shouting, and now you want a bunch of brats sent up who will drop crayons on the stairs and whinge and moan when they break a tooth on the pie crust?

Pick on somewhere else chum.

Hmmmm!

LDs job is harder than I thought :greengrin

[danhibees1875]

Hmmmm!

LDs job is harder than I thought :greengrin

She can bring back Butcher and then there would be space for everyone, and no need for loyalty points either. :dunno:

[wookie70]

Why is it always the FFL that is called out for having empty seats. The east was just as quiet on Saturday. Should supporters in there be moved to make way for a relatively small group of supporters. I couldn't care less what we look like on TV as I will be at the game. If the SS want a better position then they should do the same as the rest of us and try to get season tickets in the area they wish to sit.

[Keith_M]

:agree: Again, it's telling that it appears that some decided to jump all over a thread that was praising another group for spontaneously creating a good atmosphere and turning it into a "club bad" thread. Makes it look like some egos have been injured.


If you want to help with the atmosphere, you can phone me during the game and I'd happily hold my Handy aloft, so people can hear your dulcet tones all the way from Ossi-Land

:wink:

[BroxburnHibee]

Still waiting on an apology from those who jumped in feet first. Not that I'm holding my breath.

Things like that are why people get banned then run off to use phrases like taliban.net.

11 pages in and only 1 retraction. Funny that.

[Onceinawhile]

I get the feeling that LD doesn't want Since 1875 anywhere near the pitch. I agree the kids could be put in the FUR even from a safety point of view it's only a matter of time before a kid gets smacked in the face from a stray shot during the warm up or game.

Has happened already this season. Notably twice in one warm up with Daryll Horgan hitting someone and then Lewis Allan hitting his brother. I was also hit before the 5-5 game at the end of last season.

I hadn't considered moving the Family section upstairs. It's not a bad idea. The only problem is that there's less seats upstairs than there is season ticket holders in the bottom half. (assuming the black seats aren't available). So it's a question of dealing with that.

[Hibrandenburg]

If you want to help with the atmosphere, you can phone me during the game and I'd happily hold my Handy aloft, so people can hear your dulcet tones all the way from Ossi-Land

:wink:

Can I do reverse charges? :greengrin

[HibbyAndy]

Why is it always the FFL that is called out for having empty seats. The east was just as quiet on Saturday. Should supporters in there be moved to make way for a relatively small group of supporters. I couldn't care less what we look like on TV as I will be at the game. If the SS want a better position then they should do the same as the rest of us and try to get season tickets in the area they wish to sit.

:agree:

[Mick O'Rourke]

Simples!

Make the family section FFU

The bairns will get a better view sheltered from the rain and well away from Huns smellies and yams

As others have said an empty FFL looks naff on TV and shows the club in a bad light

My thoughts too.
If the club is adamant that the Choir is to remain in the FF, it has to be central Upper or Lower.

It would make a big difference.

Back in the days of the old Cave (FF) the players were well aware of the noise from the Cave.
Particularly when shooting "doon the slope" and set pieces/corner kicks.
It most certainly gave the team a lift.

So if not back in the East.
Centre of FF (U or L) makes sense.

The banners,of course, have been great and if the Choir was to go back to the East,i am sure the club would allow some of the lads to display the banners in the FF.

Wouldn't they !?

Anyway, i hope a resolution can be found for next season.

[Monts]

Why not put the kids in the West Lower. Its got the smallest legroom :greengrin

[Besties Debut]

, I heard folk singing about Craig Levein's dodgy organ The lassie who worked in the ticket office at Leicester didn't complain.

[HappyAsHellas]

Every club in the land wants to encourage younger kids to regularly attend games as it builds the future fan base - all very logical. When I was a young pup I always tried to stand next to the guys in the cave because that was where the atmosphere was, and I'm sure that's true of the guys who grew up with what is now termed the old east.
Now imagine if the singing section were in the FF lower, lots of flags. colour and noise - every kid within a radius of about five miles will want to be there. It could easily turn into the most popular area of the stadium given a bit of time. Look at Germany and the way they treat their fans, they're light years ahead of us and have waiting lists for season tickets we can only dream about. It's easy, just copy a plan that's proven to work and reap the benefits. Who the hell is interested in face painting or heaven forbid a bloody bouncy castle. My grand daughter has only been to 2 games and she wants to go to the FFU where the flags and noise are. Family section my erse!

[Heedersnvolleys]

Every club in the land wants to encourage younger kids to regularly attend games as it builds the future fan base - all very logical. When I was a young pup I always tried to stand next to the guys in the cave because that was where the atmosphere was, and I'm sure that's true of the guys who grew up with what is now termed the old east.
Now imagine if the singing section were in the FF lower, lots of flags. colour and noise - every kid within a radius of about five miles will want to be there. It could easily turn into the most popular area of the stadium given a bit of time. Look at Germany and the way they treat their fans, they're light years ahead of us and have waiting lists for season tickets we can only dream about. It's easy, just copy a plan that's proven to work and reap the benefits. Who the hell is interested in face painting or heaven forbid a bloody bouncy castle. My grand daughter has only been to 2 games and she wants to go to the FFU where the flags and noise are. Family section my erse!

Exactly!!!

Said this on previous singing section threads. All the kids will want to be next to the singing section if it really took off. Seen it myself at German games great atmosphere at bigger and more sterile stadiums than ours. It’s not a stand 2ft from the touch line 😉that causes the atmosphere but the people in it. Christ if it took off the seats in the north end of the east may even be in demand.

I think there is also a general ticket/seat issue however. For us to have to open up the south for our own fans on occasions and all the additional costs that must incur with extra stewards etc...when there is loads of empty seats in the other 3 stands there is something wrong somewhere.

[dalkeith stu]

Exactly how I saw it. The spontaneous singing from the group in the West Stand came over loud and clear on the radio, something that can't be said about the group in the corner of the FFU.

BREAKING NEWS!!!: A large group sitting next to the commentators who had been enjoying themselves in the hospitality suite all afternoon were picked up better on the microphones than the singing section who are sat a good 100 yards away!! FFS,this comes across as someone with an agenda!!

[GORDONSMITH7]

St. Patrick's Branch has always supported requests for financial support from Since1875 and see no reason for us not to do so, until members think otherwise. Splendid hard work over the years.

GGTTH


BIG G


St. Pat's Branch Secretary

[hibbysam]

Why is it always the FFL that is called out for having empty seats. The east was just as quiet on Saturday. Should supporters in there be moved to make way for a relatively small group of supporters. I couldn't care less what we look like on TV as I will be at the game. If the SS want a better position then they should do the same as the rest of us and try to get season tickets in the area they wish to sit.

Because the FFL is half empty every single week, without fail. The east was empty on Saturday as the club decided to stop selling tickets in the east, presumably as a result of the pressure applied by rags and authorities.

[marinello59]

Because the FFL is half empty every single week, without fail. The east was empty on Saturday as the club decided to stop selling tickets in the east, presumably as a result of the pressure applied by rags and authorities.

There’s big gaps in the East at virtually every game, as there is in the West.

[Betty Boop]

The reason this place is sometimes referred to as taliban.net


Taliban.net that old chestnut. Pathetic.

[hibbysam]

There’s big gaps in the East at virtually every game, as there is in the West.

The main body of both the east and west are predominantly full most games, front of the east and end sections of both are fairly empty but those are seats that haven’t been sold. The famous five lower has more seats than bums most weeks, purely down to the pricing, rows and rows of empty seats. The east has odd seats scattered around and on Saturday it was emptier than usual in 44 and 45 due to the restriction of sales.

[marinello59]

Taliban.net that old chestnut. Pathetic.

It’s disappointing rather than pathetic than only one person retracted their posts wrongly blaming the Admin team here for closing the original thread. It’s no big deal though.

[HibeeHibernian4]

There’s big gaps in the East at virtually every game, as there is in the West.

But they are both much bigger stands, so big gaps still don't equate to the % of empty seats that we see in the Famous Five Lower. Looking at the Motherwell highlights, you're lucky if that's 50%.

[McD]

It’s disappointing rather than pathetic than only one person retracted their posts wrongly blaming the Admin team here for closing the original thread. It’s no big deal though.

:agree:

Happy to run their mouths off, shouting the odds... far less willing to own it and speak up when it’s them that’s in the wrong

[Keith_M]

BREAKING NEWS!!!: A large group sitting next to the commentators who had been enjoying themselves in the hospitality suite all afternoon were picked up better on the microphones than the singing section who are sat a good 100 yards away!! FFS,this comes across as someone with an agenda!!


That does make sense, yeah. However, they also sounded louder from my seat in the South Stand. Even when they did start singing in the second half, it didn't seem the same without the drum.

Personally, I'd move them to the back ten rows of Section 41 and let them stand the whole match. It's a nice central location and I reckon the sound would carry well to all ends of the stadium.

[marinello59]

The main body of both the east and west are predominantly full most games, front of the east and end sections of both are fairly empty but those are seats that haven’t been sold. The famous five lower has more seats than bums most weeks, purely down to the pricing, rows and rows of empty seats. The east has odd seats scattered around and on Saturday it was emptier than usual in 44 and 45 due to the restriction of sales.


But they are both much bigger stands, so big gaps still don't equate to the % of empty seats that we see in the Famous Five Lower. Looking at the Motherwell highlights, you're lucky if that's 50%.

You may both be right. It’s not something that has ever bothered me though. Concerns about how it looks on TV seem to be a fairly recent thing, I’m too old to start worrying about that now. :greengrin

[The 90+2]

It’s disappointing rather than pathetic than only one person retracted their posts wrongly blaming the Admin team here for closing the original thread. It’s no big deal though.

It was about four posters and it’s clear why they may have came to that conclusion.

[The 90+2]

:agree:

Happy to run their mouths off, shouting the odds... far less willing to own it and speak up when it’s them that’s in the wrong

It’s a football forum mate. You seem to take it far more seriously than maybe you should.

[HibeeHibernian4]

You may both be right. It’s not something that has ever bothered me though. Concerns about how it looks on TV seem to be a fairly recent thing, I’m too old to start worrying about that now. :greengrin

To be honest, I sort of agree with you. I don't really care all that much how we come across to neutral fans on TV.

But, from what she's said and how she's acted in her time here, I think Dempster does.

So therefore I find it a little strange that there's something of a tension between her wanting to show us in the best light possible, while also dogmatically deciding that the Famous Five Lower has to be where the families sit, even though a family section would work just as well anywhere else in the ground. Whereas a singing section would surely* work best in the Famous Five Lower?

*Or maybe it wouldn't, the problem is that the singing section lads weren't allowed to trial it out against Ross County, which I personally find very strange as decisions go.

[marinello59]

It was about four posters and it’s clear why they may have came to that conclusion.

Why was it clear? :confused:

[Todi114]

My seat is behind the singing section
at the more low key matches there are no problems
The category A games attract a lot of idiots who attach themselves to the singing section
wherever you put them this will happen unless all the seats around them are season ticket holders

[Glory Lurker]

This thread must be related to the Transfer Thread family. It's way too long for the amount of actual fact it's revealed to the world. A bit more aggro than a Transfer Thread, but just as almost-pointless.

[SChibs]

My seat is behind the singing section
at the more low key matches there are no problems
The category A games attract a lot of idiots who attach themselves to the singing section
wherever you put them this will happen unless all the seats around them are season ticket holders

Don't take this personally but the whole of the section is supposed to be the singing section not just the front few rows so you can't really sit behind it. If the entire section joined in it would create a lot more noise and it would show LD that there is serious potential for a good singing section behind the goals

[Hibbyradge]

It was about four posters and it’s clear why they may have came to that conclusion.

They wrongly accused the admins of doing something.

They should apologise regardless of how they came to that conclusion.

But they're too small minded

[Moulin Yarns]

It was about four posters and it’s clear why they may have came to that conclusion.

If anyone bothered to read the final post before I closed the thread then there was no way you could blame the Admins.

[Todi114]

Don't take this personally but the whole of the section is supposed to be the singing section not just the front few rows so you can't really sit behind it. If the entire section joined in it would create a lot more noise and it would show LD that there is serious potential for a good singing section behind the goals


Chose the seats because I couldn’t get 3 seats together anywhere else
the singing section consists of 3 or 4 rows there lots of empty seats in this area
the empty seats are snapped up for the big games

[The 90+2]

Why was it clear? :confused:

Because a tiny minority seen a thread that went anti-board and jumped to conclusions. Not sure the need to go all headmaster and demand an apology either. I’m sure the posters who jumped the gun realise they made a mistake. Bringing it up a day and a bit later is weird.

[SON OF PADDY]

I like and enjoy what the singing section/1875 guys bring to our games, particularly away, but I must admit to being a bit annoyed up at St Johnstone with one of the young lads who was shouting to the rest of the support to sing and calling them all boring *******s. What needs to be kept in mind is that most of the guys who are "boring" have been going home and away since long before the guys in their group were even born. When I was their age I was singing the songs and calling everyone else boring *******s as well - we`ve served our time so to speak, and our day out watching Hibs is going to be different and more sedate than the younger generation. Doesn't mean we dont enjoy it, and we join in when it feels right for us to do so.
The displays have been great, the songs and atmosphere at away games excellent - but should you participate or if you don`t, it doesn't make anyone a better fan than anyone else who is there every week. Hopefully common sense can prevail, and the group can continue and fans young and old can enjoy what it brings, and hopefully Leean can take on board the contribution the group has made to the club over the last few seasons. A couple of guys overstepping the mark shouldn't unravel all the good that has went before.


You've hit the nail on the head mate!
I'm coming up for sixty,and have followed the team for best part of fifty years.
I admire the young team singing and putting on displays,but I don't need anyone to tell me when to sing and support my team.
Rant over 🤨

[Barney McGrew]

It’s disappointing rather than pathetic than only one person retracted their posts wrongly blaming the Admin team here for closing the original thread. It’s no big deal though.

Aye, funny that.

We’re taliban.net apparently, but people are allowed to throw about completely unfounded allegations about us, don’t get round to apologising when they get called out on it for it being utter pish and us gestapo admin types still don’t ban them for it.

:rolleyes:

[The 90+2]

If anyone bothered to read the final post before I closed the thread then there was no way you could blame the Admins.

True. And for that reason I apologise to yourself.

Although there’s no way on a mobile phone of knowing if you where an admin at all? And days into a debate on the matter people forget who made the opening post.

I, at first glance thought you where an admin closing the thread because I didn’t realise the poster that started the thread can end it.

I didn’t jump in and blame the admin though, my apology to yourself is because I had a go at you joining this thread without fully reading your reasons for deleting the last.

👍

[The 90+2]

Aye, funny that.

We’re taliban.net apparently, but people are allowed to throw about completely unfounded allegations about us, don’t get round to apologising when they get called out on it for it being utter pish and us gestapo admin types still don’t ban them for it.

:rolleyes:

What’s the unfounded allegations that seemed to upset a few so much?

Please tell me it’s nothing to do with a couple of posters jumping the gun on this thread asking why admin shut the last one down?

[DaveF]

Because a tiny minority seen a thread that went anti-board and jumped to conclusions. Not sure the need to go all headmaster and demand an apology either. I’m sure the posters who jumped the gun realise they made a mistake. Bringing it up a day and a bit later is weird.

What's weird with some suggesting the OP and others on this thread retracting their unwarranted digs?

Nothing more than a slice of common decency I'd have thought. but each to their own.

[The 90+2]

What's weird with some suggesting the OP and others on this thread retracting their unwarranted digs?

Nothing more than a slice of common decency I'd have thought. but each to their own.

Unwarranted digs to numerous posters happen every day of the week on a forum life, im not sure why a couple of days later it’s still being brought up as such a big deal apart for the admin to rip into the posters that posted a few days ago?

[DaveF]

Unwarranted digs to numerous posters happen every day of the week on a forum life, im not sure why a couple of days later it’s still being brought up as such a big deal apart for the admin to rip into the posters that posted a few days ago?

Who said its a big deal - apart from you obviously.

Point is, which you know fine well, that it should not have waited a day. Ross et al, jumped the gun and ran with the myth that free speech is shot down on here.

Wrong again, as per, but nowhere to be seen in taking it back. A simple 'sorry folks, got it wrong' wouldn't be too difficult to post would it?

[Alex Trager]

It was about four posters and it’s clear why they may have came to that conclusion.

It’s clear that the admins never shut the thread down so I do not understand how anyone can claim otherwise. Other than they haven’t read the threads.

[marinello59]

Because a tiny minority seen a thread that went anti-board and jumped to conclusions. Not sure the need to go all headmaster and demand an apology either. I’m sure the posters who jumped the gun realise they made a mistake. Bringing it up a day and a bit later is weird.

You haven’t answered my question. Looks like you are taking this place way more seriously than me though.

[Jay]

Because a tiny minority seen a thread that went anti-board and jumped to conclusions. Not sure the need to go all headmaster and demand an apology either. I’m sure the posters who jumped the gun realise they made a mistake. Bringing it up a day and a bit later is weird.

Admins didnt bring the subject back up, another poster did and got a reply. Whats really weird though is how the admin team keep giving people second third and fourth chances but are still deemed to be too harsh.

Now that its been done to death can we just go back to supporting/condemning the singing section and working out whose broken drumstick it was in the absence of the banned (or probably not) usual drummer?

[theonlywayisup]

Whereas a singing section would surely work best in the Famous Five Lower?


I've heard this a few times.

Firstly, I'm not convinced the acoustics would work as well compared to higher up the stand.

Secondly, it would only work if there's a large number singing and jumping. From what I'm told, it's only the first few rows that actually sing. Why would that be any better if they were located behind the goals.

[hibbysam]

You may both be right. It’s not something that has ever bothered me though. Concerns about how it looks on TV seem to be a fairly recent thing, I’m too old to start worrying about that now. :greengrin

Likewise, you have to be easily embarrassed to worry about how it looks to others or what others will say.

For me though, it’s an ideal opportunity to raise the atmosphere in the ground and piece together the three stands by situating the singing section in the FFL. Family friendly pricing should be located all around the stadium and not confined to one area, including category B season tickets in the south stand. It’s a massive own goal by the club to fire them in a corner miles from the pitch and where the sound doesn’t travel.

[pacoluna]

That does make sense, yeah. However, they also sounded louder from my seat in the South Stand. Even when they did start singing in the second half, it didn't seem the same without the drum.

Personally, I'd move them to the back ten rows of Section 41 and let them stand the whole match. It's a nice central location and I reckon the sound would carry well to all ends of the stadium.

The were old, pissed and sung about Joe tortalono.

[pacoluna]

Aye, funny that.

We’re taliban.net apparently, but people are allowed to throw about completely unfounded allegations about us, don’t get round to apologising when they get called out on it for it being utter pish and us gestapo admin types still don’t ban them for it.

:rolleyes:

Unfounded allegations has been a common theme on here recently.. people only seem to take offence when it's against ourselves however.

[HibeeHibernian4]

I've heard this a few times.

Firstly, I'm not convinced the acoustics would work as well compared to higher up the stand.

Secondly, it would only work if there's a large number singing and jumping. From what I'm told, it's only the first few rows that actually sing. Why would that be any better if they were located behind the goals.

Yeah, which is why I said it would've been interesting if the trial for the Ross County game had gone ahead. I might have even gone and stood with them to see what it was like as an experience. But Dempster and the board shut it down very quickly without giving any reason more than the dogmatic "this is where the families sit" line.

I don't know either way if it would better or worse, logic says that it would carry similar to how away fans do when they sing in the South Lower. There have been times when Falkirk/Morton etc would outsing us in the Championship and I think their location might've had something to do with that.

My point is, surely trial it and see the results? If it's a success, maybe reconsider. If not, then try something else.

[SChibs]

Chose the seats because I couldn’t get 3 seats together anywhere else
the singing section consists of 3 or 4 rows there lots of empty seats in this area
the empty seats are snapped up for the big games

The whole section is designated as the singing section. The point is for the whole section to join in and it was advertised at the time like that. It doesn't stop people who don't want to sing sitting there but when it first started it was supposed to be filled with people who wanted to sing and generate an atmosphere

[marinello59]

Yeah, which is why I said it would've been interesting if the trial for the Ross County game had gone ahead. I might have even gone and stood with them to see what it was like as an experience. But Dempster and the board shut it down very quickly without giving any reason more than the dogmatic "this is where the families sit" line.

I don't know either way if it would better or worse, logic says that it would carry similar to how away fans do when they sing in the South Lower. There have been times when Falkirk/Morton etc would outsing us in the Championship and I think their location might've had something to do with that.

My point is, surely trial it and see the results? If it's a success, maybe reconsider. If not, then try something else.

Did the singing section actually call for that trial? I vaguely remember them saying it was nothing to do with them.

[RoslinInstHibby]

I'm not for 1 minute suggesting that anyone from the singing section would run onto the pitch the minute they were moved down to the ffl, but just feel in the current climate there is no way in hell the club will allow the move.....

[Jonnyboy]

The were old, pissed and sung about Joe tortalono.

As opposed to young and pissed and singing Turnbull's Tornadoes?

[marinello59]

As opposed to young and pissed and singing Turnbull's Tornadoes?

:greengrin

[pacoluna]

As opposed to young and pissed and singing Turnbull's Tornadoes?

Doesn't sit rite stereotyping groups of people does it..

[Jonnyboy]

Doesn't sit rite stereotyping groups of people does it..

Nope, that's why I was surprised you did it :wink:

[HibeeHibernian4]

Did the singing section actually call for that trial? I vaguely remember them saying it was nothing to do with them.

Having looked on their Twitter account, I found this: https://twitter.com/1875_since/status/1029297190055944192

[marinello59]

Having looked on their Twitter account, I found this: https://twitter.com/1875_since/status/1029297190055944192

Thanks. My memory is *****. :greengrin

[silverhibee]

:kettle::smokin:wink:

[marinello59]

:kettle::smokin:wink:

Children, drugs are bad. :greengrin

[Dashing Bob S]

Our support are hardly blameless at times, but Dempster does seem to like the sledgehammer approach with OUR fans, yet is very silent when its the usual behaviour OUR fans receive both home and away at Ibrox Parkhead and tynecastle.

Maybe if she was seen to be supporting OUR fans at certain times, they would not be taking things into their own hands and behaving badly as they have done recently?

You can call this whataboutery if you like, but when you see our response to what happens in that away end whenever those lot appear at Easter Road, then is it any surprise folk behave similarly?

Very good points. LD has been received very positively by the fans, and was certainly a breath of fresh air when she arrived. The new found aloof, high-handedness really does suggest she's preparing to ship out to Ibrox. 'Majesterial' i.e., defensive and self-justifying enough to appease the board and fans there, but her track record will give the weedge press the opportunity to say 'this is a progressive move which shows how far the huns have come in tackling problems of bigotry' etc etc

Hope I'm not being too cynical here.

[silverhibee]

Children, drugs are bad. :greengrin

Only if you sit in the FF :cb

[DaveF]

Very good points. LD has been received very positively by the fans, and was certainly a breath of fresh air when she arrived. The new found aloof, high-handedness really does suggest she's preparing to ship out to Ibrox. 'Majesterial' i.e., defensive and self-justifying enough to appease the board and fans there, but her track record will give the weedge press the opportunity to say 'this is a progressive move which shows how far the huns have come in tackling problems of bigotry' etc etc

Hope I'm not being too cynical here.

I think everyone is pretty much agreed that she called it wrong with the since 1875 guys and hopefully that's now being addressed.

But really all you have done is spout the same guff as the twitter trolls re her going to sevco but just used bigger words. Almost like you have a better grasp of the written word than everyone else....

She may well end up at IBrox one day but how you can feed that line at the moment is beyond me.

[Monts]

I think everyone is pretty much agreed that she called it wrong with the since 1875 guys

...provided you assume that those guys know and are telling the whole story.

[DaveF]

...provided you assume that those guys know and are telling the whole story.

Yes, of course. But they were asked often enough to give the reasons and none were forthcoming so in light of any counter views from the club, I'll take them at their word.

[Pretty Boy]

I've said before that the Since1875 guys need to sit down and work out a clear plan to present to the club that shows obvious tangible benefits to accommodating them in the most effective way for all concerned. Being passionate and arguing the 'fans are the club' or similar is a nice sentiment but when you are dealing with any board or individuals who's background and job is to think in 'corporate' terms then you have to approach the subject from that angle. A few general points I'd consider would be:

A busy, noisy singing area is obviously a positive from a visual perspective and as a means of selling the club. Point out Hibs are aware of this because they have used images and videos of the section in various marketing initiatives in recent years.

Likewise the displays are a positive form of support for the team and have provided another well used marketing opportunity for the club. Point out the use of the word 'privilege' was viewed as being unfairly pejorative.

It's also worth thinking in terms of solutions:

Firstly establish exactly what 'privileges' the club were referring to, ask what breaches of any conditions they are unhappy with and get a clear breakdown of incidents they feel were inappropriate behaviour directly attributable to the group.

Suggest that for away games were attendance is likely to be lower or they don't expect us to sell out they allocate a small section at the back of the relevant stand so that any flags etc don't impact the view of anyone behind. If people choose to buy tickets in this area then they know what they can expect. The club probably can't explicitly state this will be an area in which people can stand but most people can read between the lines. Suggest that there would be a willingness to 'self police' this area and anyone trying to stand in the area without a ticket for that section will be asked to leave.

I'm not sure if this already exists but is there a way to group people for away ST sales for high demand away games? So if, as an example, 20 guys from the section have ASTs can they be grouped together? Again this could be an area at the back of the stand.

Finally suggest working out a way to control access to Section 25 for cat A home games which seems to be when the area attracts non regulars and the grief that goes with that. Perhaps a block on ticket sales in that area without a link to a current ST holder in the section? That could encourage a bit of communal responsibility as no one wants to get their mate into bother.

That all sounds totally boring and like hard work when all folk want to do is support their team but a show of willingness might just get the club engaging and start a process of moving things forward.

[007]

Yes, of course. But they were asked often enough to give the reasons and none were forthcoming so in light of any counter views from the club, I'll take them at their word.

Having a singing section is great but it is difficult for me to take them completely at their word when I read the Twitter comment saying the overwhelming majority of the Hibs support wanted to see the trial in the FF lower. To me that's a statement not based on fact so all comments are now taken with a pinch of salt.

I really hope they manage to resolve matters with the club.

[PatHead]

Having a singing section is great but it is difficult for me to take them completely at their word when I read the Twitter comment saying the overwhelming majority of the Hibs support wanted to see the trial in the FF lower. To me that's a statement not based on fact so all comments are now taken with a pinch of salt.

I really hope they manage to resolve matters with the club.

I can't see the sense in trialling the singing section in FF lower if the trial could not lead to a long term position. Surely it was the section trying to force the club into giving them what they want. This would have resulted in moving the whole of the family section to where?

For that reason I can't support Since 1875 moving. I also do not believe the majority of the fans wanted that trial as majority were not aware of it before it happened.

[hibbysam]

I can't see the sense in trialling the singing section in FF lower if the trial could not lead to a long term position. Surely it was the section trying to force the club into giving them what they want. This would have resulted in moving the whole of the family section to where?

For that reason I can't support Since 1875 moving. I also do not believe the majority of the fans wanted that trial as majority were not aware of it before it happened.

Why couldn’t it lead to long term position? If a trial, in games where the section in question is going to be empty, turns out to be successful then of course it could be a long term proposition.

If it was successful then it is down to the club what is best for the family section. Do they go in the upper tier, do they spread family prices throughout the ground, do they offer the real cheap family deals as cat B only in the south, with cheap (but not as cheap as south) family tickets for all games in other parts, it’s really not that difficult.

Or the trial could fail and none of this would be spoken about, but we would never know as the club took the hump and stopped supporters buying tickets wherever they’d like for one game.

[Since452]

Maybe a silly question but what would happen if the singing section just bought season tickets in the FF lower for next season?

[Pete]

Maybe a silly question but what would happen if the singing section just bought season tickets in the FF lower for next season?

You can only buy there as part of a family group now.

The West lower should be the new family section with altered prices and the FF lower should be a normal section or one for the radges.

[Since452]

You can only buy there as part of a family group now.

The West lower should be the new family section with altered prices and the FF lower should be a normal section or one for the radges.

Ah that makes sense. Yeah i agree. The west lower would be ideal for the family section.

[Pete]

Ah that makes sense. Yeah i agree. The west lower would be ideal for the family section.

:agree:

I've not sat there for a while but I remember the seats being rather pokey. An ideal area for our younger fans. :greengrin

[BILLYHIBS]

West lower north seems sensible

I remember back in the early eighties the old North Enclosure ( West Lower North ) had all the hard core hibbies and we had all the footstompers in the old wooden stand above us and big Frank Dougan would start off the singing “ Hibees ! Hibees!”

The smell o baccy wafting fae the pipe smoke changed days indeed! :greengrin

[Brightside]

You can only buy there as part of a family group now.

The West lower should be the new family section with altered prices and the FF lower should be a normal section or one for the radges.

I can only assume you mean the west lower North corner. The rest of the stand is prime seating and it makes zero commercial sense to make it a family zone. The worst seats in the house will always be the family enclosure as they are they cheapest. Hence why Leeann wants to use FF Lower.

[Jay]

West lower north seems sensible

I remember back in the early eighties the old North Enclosure ( West Lower North ) had all the hard core hibbies and we had all the footstompers in the old wooden stand above us and big Frank Dougan would start off the singing “ Hibees ! Hibees!”

The smell o baccy wafting fae the pipe smoke changed days indeed! :greengrin

And what happens to the current season ticket holders in the west lower north who dont have kids? Do we just keep punting fans out their seats until the singing section is accommodated in a place they are eventually happy? A lot of the people who got punted from the FF upper are now in that section so have to move again for families who get punted because the singing section is to be put in their seats?

Theres more familes than singers so the ff would still be empty and im damned if im being punted out the west to the singing section .

Im not blaming the singing section themselves here btw.

[BILLYHIBS]

And what happens to the current season ticket holders in the west lower north who dont have kids? Do we just keep punting fans out their seats until the singing section is accommodated in a place they are eventually happy? A lot of the people who got punted from the FF upper are now in that section so have to move again for families who get punted because the singing section is to be put in their seats?

Theres more familes than singers so the ff would still be empty and im damned if im being punted out the west to the singing section .

Im not blaming the singing section themselves here btw.

I hear what you are saying but going by the number of regular attenders at FFL there should not be that many of them

The problem seems to be the amount of people who buy up seats at £25 soon to be £50 and can’t be arsed turning up for whatever reason as FFL is always sold out on eticketing but is always half empty in reality

Ever feel we are going round in circles on this issue? :greengrin

[Jay]

I hear what you are saying but going by the number of regular attenders at FFL there should not be that many of them

The problem seems to be the amount of people who buy up seats at £25 soon to be £50 and can’t be arsed turning up for whatever reason as FFL is always sold out on eticketing but is always half empty in reality

Ever feel we are going round in circles on this issue? :greengrin

Ive no idea what the answer is. I just know we cant keep punting fans out of the seats theyve had for years to accomodate one group. A group who can do great things fair enough but can also be a headache for not following the rules. I bought my son a season ticket at age six and still pay for it and hes a 22 year old dad! I wish id ever had the chance to pay £25 quid. I think his was about £150 but could be wrong.

[hibbysam]

Ive no idea what the answer is. I just know we cant keep punting fans out of the seats theyve had for years to accomodate one group. A group who can do great things fair enough but can also be a headache for not following the rules. I bought my son a season ticket at age six and still pay for it and hes a 22 year old dad! I wish id ever had the chance to pay £25 quid. I think his was about £150 but could be wrong.

You mean like the club are already doing in the FFL to suit a group, namely families?

[BILLYHIBS]

Ive no idea what the answer is. I just know we cant keep punting fans out of the seats theyve had for years to accomodate one group. A group who can do great things fair enough but can also be a headache for not following the rules. I bought my son a season ticket at age six and still pay for it and hes a 22 year old dad! I wish id ever had the chance to pay £25 quid. I think his was about £150 but could be wrong.

If the SS are moved by the powers that be someone is going to be ousted from their seats /comfort zone

As others have suggested if they are to move back to the East for example as LD seems to be adamant FFL IS the Family Section let them individually apply for their STs in the area of their choosing and take over that!

As long as it is not my area :greengrin

There is not going to be an easy solution to this one just now they are still in FFU but at least they now seem to be back onside with the club

[Jay]

You mean like the club are already doing in the FFL to suit a group, namely families?

Its been a family stand for a long time. I dont really agree with people being made to move seats at all, theres few decent ones left available to move to anyway.

[PatHead]

You mean like the club are already doing in the FFL to suit a group, namely families?

From what has always been the family section? Once your kids grow up you should move as you are no longer eligible. It then frees up seats for the next generation. I know a number of supporters who have done this over years.

The problem is that seats are taken up by £25 tickets and supporters who are not entitled to be there.

Let's see what happens with this initiative in getting young fans to attend the games.

As an aside the main problem I putting Since1875Hibs group in the lower stand is the hangers-on who could create mayhem throwing things or getting on to the pitch. If the group can't police them with flares, drumsticks and the likes where they are what chance have they got in the lower stand?

If mayhem did break out where do you move them to then or do you just ban them?

[Iggy Pope]

Its been a family stand for a long time. I dont really agree with people being made to move seats at all, theres few decent ones left available to move to anyway.

My mother in law sits in the lower with her sister and her brother in law. They have had these seats for years. They are family, albeit in their 70s and 80s rather than kids. I cannot understand why they are being asked to move. Nor can they and they are unlikely to renew elsewhere.

[Brizo]

From what has always been the family section? Once your kids grow up you should move as you are no longer eligible. It then frees up seats for the next generation. I know a number of supporters who have done this over years.

The problem is that seats are taken up by £25 tickets and supporters who are not entitled to be there.

Let's see what happens with this initiative in getting young fans to attend the games.

As an aside the main problem I putting Since1875Hibs group in the lower stand is the hangers-on who could create mayhem throwing things or getting on to the pitch. If the group can't police them with flares, drumsticks and the likes where they are what chance have they got in the lower stand?

If mayhem did break out where do you move them to then or do you just ban them?

I took my kids to the FF family section from the first season it opened and it was all families with young kids and female staff from Hibs on hand to keep an eye on things. It was very much a family atmosphere. However as the kids grew up into teenagers and parents maybe thought they no longer had to watch their language / behaviour and the club staff disappeared, the atmosphere changed. By the time we moved, it was pretty much like any other stand with plenty angry swearing dads and teenage children. It didn't make it much of a family atmosphere for the next generation of families with young kids, coming along.

If Hibs aren't going to allow Since 1875 into the FFL and are wanting to keep it as a family stand, they maybe need to put steps in place to make it family friendly.

[JimBHibees]

I took my kids to the FF family section from the first season it opened and it was all families with young kids and female staff from Hibs on hand to keep an eye on things. It was very much a family atmosphere. However as the kids grew up into teenagers and parents maybe thought they no longer had to watch their language / behaviour and the club staff disappeared, the atmosphere changed. By the time we moved, it was pretty much like any other stand with plenty angry swearing dads and teenage children. It didn't make it much of a family atmosphere for the next generation of families with young kids, coming along.

If Hibs aren't going to allow Since 1875 into the FFL and are wanting to keep it as a family stand, they maybe need to put steps in place to make it family friendly.

I think as a start and have seen this at other grounds a sign clearly indicating it is a family stand and for fans to watch their language. Should then allow stewards to do their job and highlight to anyone not doing this. Guy at my work goes there with kids say 8 and 6 or similar and he indicates a regular group of older teens swearing relentlessly which clearly shouldnt happen. Odd expletive fair enough if something happens in the game but not on that scale IMO.

[PatHead]

I took my kids to the FF family section from the first season it opened and it was all families with young kids and female staff from Hibs on hand to keep an eye on things. It was very much a family atmosphere. However as the kids grew up into teenagers and parents maybe thought they no longer had to watch their language / behaviour and the club staff disappeared, the atmosphere changed. By the time we moved, it was pretty much like any other stand with plenty angry swearing dads and teenage children. It didn't make it much of a family atmosphere for the next generation of families with young kids, coming along.

If Hibs aren't going to allow Since 1875 into the FFL and are wanting to keep it as a family stand, they maybe need to put steps in place to make it family friendly.

That is the plan.

[J-C]

I still see too many young kids in the east, this stand was always a real adults only one due to the rowdiness of the support in it, even now there's still a lot of shouting, swearing, aggression towards refs/opponents etc and not really a place to take younger kids, they should be in a family only section.

[CapitalGreen]

My mother in law sits in the lower with her sister and her brother in law. They have had these seats for years. They are family, albeit in their 70s and 80s rather than kids. I cannot understand why they are being asked to move. Nor can they and they are unlikely to renew elsewhere.

You can't understand why they are being asked to move from a section which is designated to make attending football accessible for people with young children when they do not attend with any young children themselves?

[marinello59]

I still see too many young kids in the east, this stand was always a real adults only one due to the rowdiness of the support in it, even now there's still a lot of shouting, swearing, aggression towards refs/opponents etc and not really a place to take younger kids, they should be in a family only section.

Isn’t it rather sad that in 2019 some adults can’t behave themselves near kids? Move them to a small unreconstructed bampot area instead. :greengrin

[superfurryhibby]

You can't understand why they are being asked to move from a section which is designated to make attending football accessible for people with young children when they do not attend with any young children themselves?

Strange reply. The Popester explained that they’ve sat there for years. There’s no issues with accomodating youngsters in the FFL, is there? I’d be more bothered about why there’s always so many empty seats there myself.

[WhileTheChief..]

Who came up with the idea of a singing section at the football in the first place?

Crappy idea and we should ditch it all together.

Spontaneous singing and cheering from the whole stadium is so much better anyways.

I’d also ditch the family section but as that’s never gonna happen I just hope they keep increasing the kids ST prices so that they end up the same as the other concession prices.

[HibeeHibernian4]

Who came up with the idea of a singing section at the football in the first place?

Crappy idea and we should ditch it all together.

Spontaneous singing and cheering from the whole stadium is so much better anyways.

They have that idea, it's called every ground in Scotland that doesn't have a singing section. And guess what? They're all morgues.

[Aim Here]

Strange reply. The Popester explained that they’ve sat there for years. There’s no issues with accomodating youngsters in the FFL, is there? I’d be more bothered about why there’s always so many empty seats there myself.

There's folks with young kids who want to sit in the FFL, but they can't because there aren't any ST slots there. If you go on the ticket site right now, you'll see that there is currently no free ST seat in the FF lower where two people can sit together - which is an obvious necessity for a parent with a young child.

Part of the problem is the empty seat issue. Part of the problem is that there are folks without children in the FFL. Hibs are attempting to solve both issues at the same time, one by a large price hike so to deter people from taking up seats they've no intention of using, and one by barring folks without children from renewing in the FFL. If you've a better solution to the empty seats issue, let's hear it.

[WhileTheChief..]

We never had a singing section for he AEK game.

Best atmosphere I’ve ever experienced at ER.

That’s what we should be aiming for, not plasticky fake support with a conductor. That’s all very Celtic.

[Hibrandenburg]

West lower north seems sensible

I remember back in the early eighties the old North Enclosure ( West Lower North ) had all the hard core hibbies and we had all the footstompers in the old wooden stand above us and big Frank Dougan would start off the singing “ Hibees ! Hibees!”

The smell o baccy wafting fae the pipe smoke changed days indeed! :greengrin

These are my first memories of Easter Road, only Frank started hanging out with my old man and his crew there much later. It was favoured by the Hibs Club committee members because it was the shortest possible walk from the club which they'd timed perfectly to arrive 2 minutes before kick-off and meant minimum time needed between pints.

For me it was always "the auld codgers" stand and I couldn't wait to be old enough to get out of there and over to the east where most of the off pitch action took place.

[J-C]

Isn’t it rather sad that in 2019 some adults can’t behave themselves near kids? Move them to a small unreconstructed bampot area instead. :greengrin


One of the kids days last season there was young kids around 3-5 yrs old in the east, just a big no no for me in that stand, there's a family section for a reason and also part of the west on a kids day, why take kids that young to an adult majority stand.

[TiaMaria]

My mother in law sits in the lower with her sister and her brother in law. They have had these seats for years. They are family, albeit in their 70s and 80s rather than kids. I cannot understand why they are being asked to move. Nor can they and they are unlikely to renew elsewhere.
It's over 20 years since I and my family (5 of us in total) were asked to move from the (now) Famous Five stand because our daughter had reached an age where she had to buy an adult ticket. This is nothing new but obviously when ST sales were low it's not been enforced. We moved into the old East then when the new West was built we moved there. Personally I don't care where the group sits but don't want them next to me! Call me boring but I like to be able to watch the football on offer without dodging guys standing or jumping around.

[HibeeHibernian4]

We never had a singing section for he AEK game.

Best atmosphere I’ve ever experienced at ER.

That’s what we should be aiming for, not plasticky fake support with a conductor. That’s all very Celtic.

The fact you can pinpoint the game shows how rare it was that the atmosphere was good. There are other factors, such as the acoustics of the old East vs the new East that need to be taken into consideration.

Are Dortmund ultras also 'very Celtic', or has it occurred to you that maybe Celtic copied someone else (there's a shock)?

[HibbyAndy]

There's folks with young kids who want to sit in the FFL, but they can't because there aren't any ST slots there. If you go on the ticket site right now, you'll see that there is currently no free ST seat in the FF lower where two people can sit together - which is an obvious necessity for a parent with a young child.

Part of the problem is the empty seat issue. Part of the problem is that there are folks without children in the FFL. Hibs are attempting to solve both issues at the same time, one by a large price hike so to deter people from taking up seats they've no intention of using, and one by barring folks without children from renewing in the FFL. If you've a better solution to the empty seats issue, let's hear it.


I sit with my 2 kids in the FFL and have done for 4 seasons now , Thing is they are getting bigger now , One is a student and one is a youth , And with the price changes i'm actually paying the same to sit anywhere else in the stadium , So it's time for a change ..But i'm going to renew my 3 seats in the FFL as the seats on offer at the moment anywhere in the stadium are crap ...So i'l be gambling on the 14k Season tickets we sold last year not renewing so i can pinch 3 seats together anywhere in the stadium

As an aside here ,,,There is a guy that sits 4 rows away from me every single week that has no kids , He stands alone .. How has he managed to get into the FFL if its a family section ? Unless he has paid for kids season tickets , Which is still odd as you don't ever see his kids for even Cat A games

[The 90+2]

My mother in law sits in the lower with her sister and her brother in law. They have had these seats for years. They are family, albeit in their 70s and 80s rather than kids. I cannot understand why they are being asked to move. Nor can they and they are unlikely to renew elsewhere.

That’s pish. Family stand should involve all concessions.

[Lago]

I sit with my 2 kids in the FFL and have done for 4 seasons now , Thing is they are getting bigger now , One is a student and one is a youth , And with the price changes i'm actually paying the same to sit anywhere else in the stadium , So it's time for a change ..But i'm going to renew my 3 seats in the FFL as the seats on offer at the moment anywhere in the stadium are crap ...So i'l be gambling on the 14k Season tickets we sold last year not renewing so i can pinch 3 seats together anywhere in the stadium

As an aside here ,,,There is a guy that sits 4 rows away from me every single week that has no kids , He stands alone .. How has he managed to get into the FFL if its a family section ? Unless he has paid for kids season tickets , Which is still odd as you don't ever see his kids for even Cat A games
Your last para identifies one of the major problems, empty but paid for seats that no else can get access too, but then it's all about seats sold rather than occupied.

[derekduval]

I still see too many young kids in the east, this stand was always a real adults only one due to the rowdiness of the support in it, even now there's still a lot of shouting, swearing, aggression towards refs/opponents etc and not really a place to take younger kids, they should be in a family only section.

Could you advise what you consider is the minimum age to attend the east stand?

[SChibs]

Who came up with the idea of a singing section at the football in the first place?

Crappy idea and we should ditch it all together.

Spontaneous singing and cheering from the whole stadium is so much better anyways.

I’d also ditch the family section but as that’s never gonna happen I just hope they keep increasing the kids ST prices so that they end up the same as the other concession prices.

I reckon you are trolling but I'll reply anyway. There is no spontaneous singing except from the singing section and on occasion a small part of the East.

[HibbyAndy]

Quite fancy FF upper executive seating , Would cost me about an extra £150 for the 3 of us but least i know i'd get decent seats and no get soaked when it rains!

[Allant1981]

Could you advise what you consider is the minimum age to attend the east stand?

I started going to the old east when I was 13, loved it in there, row M seat 93 was my season ticket for years, all the signing and shouting used to be in that area, loved it!!!

[hhibs]

Very good points. LD has been received very positively by the fans, and was certainly a breath of fresh air when she arrived. The new found aloof, high-handedness really does suggest she's preparing to ship out to Ibrox. 'Majesterial' i.e., defensive and self-justifying enough to appease the board and fans there, but her track record will give the weedge press the opportunity to say 'this is a progressive move which shows how far the huns have come in tackling problems of bigotry' etc etc

Hope I'm not being too cynical here.


Not at all,entirely possible.

[hhibs]

I think everyone is pretty much agreed that she called it wrong with the since 1875 guys and hopefully that's now being addressed.

But really all you have done is spout the same guff as the twitter trolls re her going to sevco but just used bigger words. Almost like you have a better grasp of the written word than everyone else....

She may well end up at IBrox one day but how you can feed that line at the moment is beyond me.




Think your being a tad oversensitive here.

As it happens I also suspect LD will be off soon,not sure that the destination will be IPox though

If it were then I would see" meltdown " on here

[J-C]

Could you advise what you consider is the minimum age to attend the east stand?

Not real youngsters anyway, as Alliant says he was 13 and I remember being around a similar age going there with all my names in the very early 70's. Its akways been a very raucous stand with lots if very colourful language.

[derekduval]

Not real youngsters anyway, as Alliant says he was 13 and I remember being around a similar age going there with all my names in the very early 70's. Its akways been a very raucous stand with lots if very colourful language.

Ok thanks for the reply to be fair though it’s a pretty sanitised stand nowadays and to me a good opportunity to introduce kids to (how should I put it) the unsavoury members of our support/society. Also at least that way they’ll be prepared for Hampden when the real nutters come out.

[Keith_M]

We never had a singing section for he AEK game.

Best atmosphere I’ve ever experienced at ER.

That’s what we should be aiming for, not plasticky fake support with a conductor. That’s all very Celtic.


What about the other games that season? Did they also have a fantastic atmosphere?

The atmosphere at bigger games takes care of itself, but that's not always the case at run of the mill league or cup games.

When the Singing Section was originally introduced in the East Stand, the improvement in atmosphere at games was very noticeable. It was also quite a decent mix of younger and more... well... 'mature' supporters (in age at least). I think that mix was quite good.

[Hibby70]

Not that I'd go as far as agreeing with Whilethechief, I am starting to get a bit bored with the one man and his drum brigades. Motherwell being a case in point.

Fair enough with hitting it a few times to get some chants going but to continuously batter it for 90 minutes surrounded by folk doing the YMCA really gets on my thruppenies.

I think it can put off a lot of folk singing.

[Lago]

:greengrin:top marks
Not that I'd go as far as agreeing with Whilethechief, I am starting to get a bit bored with the one man and his drum brigades. Motherwell being a case in point.

Fair enough with hitting it a few times to get some chants going but to continuously batter it for 90 minutes surrounded by folk doing the YMCA really gets on my thruppenies.

I think it can put off a lot of folk singing.

[Radium]

I still see too many young kids in the east, this stand was always a real adults only one due to the rowdiness of the support in it, even now there's still a lot of shouting, swearing, aggression towards refs/opponents etc and not really a place to take younger kids, they should be in a family only section.


My son has been in the East since it opened and turns eighteen this year, it's the part of the ground that my dad took me to in the late seventies [very occasional nights in the father and son section in the old stand] and in truth feels rights. In his younger years he had an ipod but I would say since the age of 13/14 the football has been his full focus. The swear words he already knew and I filled in the gaps around Mercer, the RA and why Fenian formed part of the opposition fans songs. The fact that the crowd doesn't really move around allows you to be settled with those around you and I can't say I have ever worried about him being there. We are not in 43/44 so that may be a factor

[B.H.F.C]

One of the kids days last season there was young kids around 3-5 yrs old in the east, just a big no no for me in that stand, there's a family section for a reason and also part of the west on a kids day, why take kids that young to an adult majority stand.

The family section has very few seats available, even if a lot of them are empty a lot of the time. People need to go somewhere.

[J-C]

The family section has very few seats available, even if a lot of them are empty a lot of the time. People need to go somewhere.

Is that not what opening up part of the west was for?

[theonlywayisup]

I'm finding the whole singing section debate extremely boring now. Just thought I would say that. It's becoming like Brexit debates.

[B.H.F.C]

Is that not what opening up part of the west was for?

And how many available seats are there in there together?

At a run of the mill league game I don’t think it’s going to make much of a difference to kids where you take them to be honest. They’re not going to see/hear much anywhere in the east that they won’t hear in the north/south.

[LeithMike]

There is no doubt that shooting towards a bunch of your vociferous fans behind the goal can spur a team on. Long term, I think the best position for the ground would be for the most vocal fans (whether that be the singing section or not) to be directly behind the goals, preferably in an area where safe standing is permitted.

There are many obstacles to getting there though, not least moving fans who have sat in seats/areas for the best part of their lives.

I'd like to see the club begin this journey but if Brexit has taught us anything it is that there is never a binary choice and in order to achieve anything, compromise is necessary and a person/party cannot simply impose their will on others but must build consensus and bring others along on the journey.

Since 1875 have done a good job building the goodwill of the support and I'd like to see the club work with them and look at safe standing. There must, however, be respect for existing seatholders but surely there is a way of offering incentives to move.

I know a lot of people put pressure on the suppporters' reps to act as a conduit but surely there is a role for HSL. It is self-described as a body of Hibernian Supporters so surely it also has an interest, especially if aspiring to a seat on the board. I'd like to see HSL canvas the members on these sorts of issues, adopt a position and then use its power (it contributes a lot of money to the club) to represent supporters and seek to influence the club.

PS - I am writing this as a father of two young children who I'd like to take to games in the not too distant future so would like a good family area. I would also like to take the kids to an atmospheric ground which captivates their attention and would be willing to have seats in a less prominent area to help this along. I'm currently in the East though and certainly wouldn't want to take the kids there at the moment.



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[Keith_M]

I think the only viable solution is to knock the stadium down and rebuild it completely. They could have a terracing behind one goal and the lower tier of one of the side stands could contain the family section.

Everybody would then have to start from scratch in picking their ST seats.

Anybody know a rich Arab Sheikh or a dodgy Russian Oligarch?

[Since452]

I think the only viable solution is to knock the stadium down and rebuild it completely. They could have a terracing behind one goal and the lower tier of one of the side stands could contain the family section.

Everybody would then have to start from scratch in picking their ST seats.

Anybody know a rich Arab Sheikh or a dodgy Russian Oligarch?

No but i know plenty of poor seek Arabs working up here in Dundee

[Ronniekirk]

There is no doubt that shooting towards a bunch of your vociferous fans behind the goal can spur a team on. Long term, I think the best position for the ground would be for the most vocal fans (whether that be the singing section or not) to be directly behind the goals, preferably in an area where safe standing is permitted.

There are many obstacles to getting there though, not least moving fans who have sat in seats/areas for the best part of their lives.

I'd like to see the club begin this journey but if Brexit has taught us anything it is that there is never a binary choice and in order to achieve anything, compromise is necessary and a person/party cannot simply impose their will on others but must build consensus and bring others along on the journey.

Since 1875 have done a good job building the goodwill of the support and I'd like to see the club work with them and look at safe standing. There must, however, be respect for existing seatholders but surely there is a way of offering incentives to move.

I know a lot of people put pressure on the suppporters' reps to act as a conduit but surely there is a role for HSL. It is self-described as a body of Hibernian Supporters so surely it also has an interest, especially if aspiring to a seat on the board. I'd like to see HSL canvas the members on these sorts of issues, adopt a position and then use its power (it contributes a lot of money to the club) to represent supporters and seek to influence the club.

PS - I am writing this as a father of two young children who I'd like to take to games in the not too distant future so would like a good family area. I would also like to take the kids to an atmospheric ground which captivates their attention and would be willing to have seats in a less prominent area to help this along. I'm currently in the East though and certainly wouldn't want to take the kids there at the moment.



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HSL are busy trying to get Fans to make more monthly contributions At present we appear to be donating about 20 ,000 a month ,while hearts fans are donating 120 000 month-according to the Blurb sent out with the Season Ticket renewal letter
I don’t wish to open up another debate on this thread about this ,but getting more people on board would do more to enhance players quality arriving .That in itself might make more people sing , as the team plays better football and wins games ,and Trophies, Which in Turn gives us more to sing about .
Why not get some Business Sponsors together ,to fill in the corner ,and that’s where the singing section can go .With all our Celebrity Musicians in the Support ,an Outdoor benefit gig could be organised as a starting point .Maybe even get European Funding for such an initiative Ah **** forgot about Brexit ,but that’s another debate altogether


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[LeithMike]

HSL are busy trying to get Fans to make more monthly contributions At present we appear to be donating about 20 ,000 a month ,while hearts fans are donating 120 000 month-according to the Blurb sent out with the Season Ticket renewal letter
I don’t wish to open up another debate on this thread about this ,but getting more people on board would do more to enhance players quality arriving .That in itself might make more people sing , as the team plays better football and wins games ,and Trophies, Which in Turn gives us more to sing about .
Why not get some Business Sponsors together ,to fill in the corner ,and that’s where the singing section can go .With all our Celebrity Musicians in the Support ,an Outdoor benefit gig could be organised as a starting point .Maybe even get European Funding for such an initiative Ah **** forgot about Brexit ,but that’s another debate altogether


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkPerhaps a credible intervention by HSL might encourage more people to contribute? Perhaps it might even increase visibility and might start to convince people that having supporters own the club would improve governance?

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[Iggy Pope]

You can't understand why they are being asked to move from a section which is designated to make attending football accessible for people with young children when they do not attend with any young children themselves?

No. I cant. They are OAPs. What's not family about them?

[CapitalGreen]

No. I cant. They are OAPs. What's not family about them?

By that logic everyone should sit in the family section as everyone is part of a family.

If they are happy depriving people with young children who would benefit most from accessible pricing then so be it, that’s on them but the fact they are OAPs isn’t going to change my opinion that they are selfish.

[Iggy Pope]

By that logic everyone should sit in the family section as everyone is part of a family.

If they are happy depriving people with young children who would benefit most from accessible pricing then so be it, that’s on them but the fact they are OAPs isn’t going to change my opinion that they are selfish.

In the name of the wee man! There is already accessible pricing for way more than enough kids. One of these pensioners in question gets by with a walking frame. Stick her uo top left of the East or burn the witch? Selfish deprivation of kids??? You need to take that test you proposed for Monkton before you post my friend. Now **** right off.

[Itsnoteasy]

It could be worse.
Imagine being in Kazakhstan just noo.

We'll be cumin doon the road.

[greenginger]

HSL are busy trying to get Fans to make more monthly contributions At present we appear to be donating about 20 ,000 a month ,while hearts fans are donating 120 000 month-according to the Blurb sent out with the Season Ticket renewal letter
I don’t wish to open up another debate on this thread about this ,but getting more people on board would do more to enhance players quality arriving .That in itself might make more people sing , as the team plays better football and wins games ,and Trophies, Which in Turn gives us more to sing about .
Why not get some Business Sponsors together ,to fill in the corner ,and that’s where the singing section can go .With all our Celebrity Musicians in the Support ,an Outdoor benefit gig could be organised as a starting point .Maybe even get European Funding for such an initiative Ah **** forgot about Brexit ,but that’s another debate altogether


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They might be donating £120,000 a month , but if the article in tonight's EEN is accurate they won't be getting much for their money.

The plan seems to be that next year when the good doctor gets her £ 2.5 million back plus interest, she will remain in charge and the board will remain almost the same.

FoH will be the owners of HOMFC but they will not run the Club , Budge will still pull the strings.

[Itsnoteasy]

Banging on about how much FOH contribute, tell me the names of the so called better quality of players they have been able to attract. Naismith is the only one that springs to mind at £8K a week, I think Mr Mcnulty is a better finisher & better value for money.

[WhileTheChief..]

In the name of the wee man! There is already accessible pricing for way more than enough kids. One of these pensioners in question gets by with a walking frame. Stick her uo top left of the East or burn the witch? Selfish deprivation of kids??? You need to take that test you proposed for Monkton before you post my friend. Now **** right off.
:top marks

It’s these pensioners that have kept us going through decades, they’ve earned the right to sit wherever they damn well please.

[Itsnoteasy]

:top marks

It’s these pensioners that have kept us going through decades, they’ve earned the right to sit wherever they damn well please.

Spot On.

[Maz]

I sit with my 2 kids in the FFL and have done for 4 seasons now , Thing is they are getting bigger now , One is a student and one is a youth , And with the price changes i'm actually paying the same to sit anywhere else in the stadium , So it's time for a change ..But i'm going to renew my 3 seats in the FFL as the seats on offer at the moment anywhere in the stadium are crap ...So i'l be gambling on the 14k Season tickets we sold last year not renewing so i can pinch 3 seats together anywhere in the stadium

As an aside here ,,,There is a guy that sits 4 rows away from me every single week that has no kids , He stands alone .. How has he managed to get into the FFL if its a family section ? Unless he has paid for kids season tickets , Which is still odd as you don't ever see his kids for even Cat A games

Perhaps the same thing happened to the guy on his own that happened to us. We had to move from the FF Upper because of the lift issue. We were unsuccessful is finding any other suitable seats (basically crap that’s left and that’s why they’re free), Hibs themselves moved us to the FF Lower fully aware we don’t have any children in our group. I have no idea where anyone is going to move to now because there is nothing remotely suitable in any of the other stands, unless we want seats with restricted views, etc. I suspect quite a few people won’t renew for this very reason.

[pacoluna]

Spot On.

Pensioners get everything nowadays, make them pay double. They've got plenty of money :wink:

[Salisbury Hibby]

I have no idea where anyone is going to move to now because there is nothing remotely suitable in any of the other stands, unless we want seats with restricted views, etc. I suspect quite a few people won’t renew for this very reason.

I didn't think there are restricted views any more. Certainly no pillars in the way. Anyway from looking at the stadium plans my seat looks like it's crap because it's West Upper Block 11, but it's absolutely fine.

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[HibbyAndy]

Perhaps the same thing happened to the guy on his own that happened to us. We had to move from the FF Upper because of the lift issue. We were unsuccessful is finding any other suitable seats (basically crap that’s left and that’s why they’re free), Hibs themselves moved us to the FF Lower fully aware we don’t have any children in our group. I have no idea where anyone is going to move to now because there is nothing remotely suitable in any of the other stands, unless we want seats with restricted views, etc. I suspect quite a few people won’t renew for this very reason.

Yeah looking at the online map their are no 3 seats together that are decent , I'm gonna wait till June 7th seat release date and bag myself 3 decent seats as i don't think 14K will renew next season

[Salisbury Hibby]

I wonder if some out of the box thinking could be applied by Hibs and instead of ST Holders getting the same seats every year, there is some limited movement applied (like 2 position left, right, front, back) with the goal of maximising runs of free seats.

Obviously the details of groups who want to remain together need to be known, but other data like attendance could be used as well.

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