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alihibs1
26-02-2019, 07:55 PM
Wonder if he’ll get a look on at Celtic now? Guessing that there is no chance that the pre-contract could be ripped up? [emoji2955]


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The 90+2
26-02-2019, 07:57 PM
I think he will start tomorrow as a holding midfielder knowing the HC.

Hermit Crab
26-02-2019, 07:58 PM
Wouldn't think do although these things can be torn up, its happened before. SA wants to come to Hibs and with Lennon only there until the end of the season I can't see him doing a U turn

Stokesy's on fire
26-02-2019, 07:59 PM
Contract is signed and unlikely it cam be torn up

Hermit Crab
26-02-2019, 08:03 PM
Contract is signed and unlikely it cam be torn up


It's happened before.


St Johnstone cancel pre-contract with Ross County's Richard Brittain ...https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23083594 (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwif7OHYmNrgAhVnUBUIHetkCYUQFjAAegQICRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fsport%2Ffootball %2F23083594&usg=AOvVaw0U5_AguiV8orY1c359HcF8)

The 90+2
26-02-2019, 08:05 PM
It's happened before.


St Johnstone cancel pre-contract with Ross County's Richard Brittain ...https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23083594 (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwif7OHYmNrgAhVnUBUIHetkCYUQFjAAegQICRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fsport%2Ffootball %2F23083594&usg=AOvVaw0U5_AguiV8orY1c359HcF8)

It wasn’t torn up. Done my research today. It’s legally binding.

calumhibee1
26-02-2019, 08:06 PM
It's happened before.


St Johnstone cancel pre-contract with Ross County's Richard Brittain ...https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23083594 (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwif7OHYmNrgAhVnUBUIHetkCYUQFjAAegQICRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fsport%2Ffootball %2F23083594&usg=AOvVaw0U5_AguiV8orY1c359HcF8)

Ross County bought him back. They had to pay a small fee.

Hermit Crab
26-02-2019, 08:07 PM
Ross County bought him back. They had to pay a small fee.


No they didn't. The contract was torn up.

St Johnstone cancel pre-contract with Ross County's Richard ... - BBChttps://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23083594 (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiH3cj8mdrgAhWzURUIHcToBMkQFjAAegQIARAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fsport%2Ffootball %2F23083594&usg=AOvVaw0U5_AguiV8orY1c359HcF8)

MWHIBBIES
26-02-2019, 08:08 PM
Played every week, was their best player, hadn't played for St Johnstone before

Nothing at all comparible about these situations. Wont happen.

Jim44
26-02-2019, 08:08 PM
It's happened before.


St Johnstone cancel pre-contract with Ross County's Richard Brittain ...https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23083594 (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwif7OHYmNrgAhVnUBUIHetkCYUQFjAAegQICRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fsport%2Ffootball %2F23083594&usg=AOvVaw0U5_AguiV8orY1c359HcF8)

In the event of this happening, Celtic will get away with a nominal compensation payment, which will be a drop in the ocean for them.

tamig
26-02-2019, 10:28 PM
No they didn't. The contract was torn up.

St Johnstone cancel pre-contract with Ross County's Richard ... - BBChttps://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23083594 (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiH3cj8mdrgAhWzURUIHcToBMkQFjAAegQIARAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fsport%2Ffootball %2F23083594&usg=AOvVaw0U5_AguiV8orY1c359HcF8)

Not sure what you’re seeing here. Both clubs had to reach an agreement to allow Brittain to stay at RC. The personal circumstances involved were also nothing like the Scott Allan situation.

B.H.F.C
26-02-2019, 10:49 PM
McGregor, Christie, Rogic and Ntcham all injured. Talk of Allan being back in their squad tomorrow.

green day
26-02-2019, 10:52 PM
McGregor, Christie, Rogic and Ntcham all injured. Talk of Allan being back in their squad tomorrow.

Cool, want him to stay sharp for us - he likes a goal v the cardigan wearers too

dp00
26-02-2019, 10:53 PM
Did tommy Wright not make a big deal of pre contracts not being legally binding in Scotland ?

I’m sure Allan will still come


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calumhibee1
26-02-2019, 10:54 PM
No they didn't. The contract was torn up.

St Johnstone cancel pre-contract with Ross County's Richard ... - BBChttps://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23083594 (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiH3cj8mdrgAhWzURUIHcToBMkQFjAAegQIARAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fsport%2Ffootball %2F23083594&usg=AOvVaw0U5_AguiV8orY1c359HcF8)

Apologies, I thought they did.

Viva_Palmeiras
26-02-2019, 11:51 PM
What will be will be.
Surely Lenny would have to be off on one to try to cancel the move. If any change would surely need to be instigated by Allan. He’s bid he tie surely needs of cut loose to maintain credibility. It I appreciate money talks.

davhibby
27-02-2019, 12:17 AM
Ian McColl said in his statement about Shankland during January that pre contracts are worthless. Won't matter to us because Scott Allan has played about 1 reserve game since the summer so it would be unlikely to say the least if he'd be viewed as match fit whether Lennon famcied playing him or not and he's so far down the pecking order anyway

MWHIBBIES
27-02-2019, 12:25 AM
Ian McColl said in his statement about Shankland during January that pre contracts are worthless. Won't matter to us because Scott Allan has played about 1 reserve game since the summer so it would be unlikely to say the least if he'd be viewed as match fit whether Lennon famcied playing him or not and he's so far down the pecking order anyway

What is he basing that on? Pre contracts are not worthless, they are as binding as any contract.

WellingtonHibby
27-02-2019, 12:51 AM
Contract is signed and unlikely it cam be torn up


Pretty sure they are not legally enforceable in any event.

HoboHarry
27-02-2019, 01:00 AM
What is he basing that on? Pre contracts are not worthless, they are as binding as any contract.
Surely it would depend on any clauses written into them? For example, why would a club not want to insert a clause cancelling the agreement if the player was to sustain a career threatening injury before his old contract wound down?

FilipinoHibs
27-02-2019, 01:45 AM
It's happened before.


St Johnstone cancel pre-contract with Ross County's Richard Brittain ...https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23083594 (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwif7OHYmNrgAhVnUBUIHetkCYUQFjAAegQICRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fsport%2Ffootball %2F23083594&usg=AOvVaw0U5_AguiV8orY1c359HcF8)



They had to be compensated though.

FilipinoHibs
27-02-2019, 01:46 AM
Pretty sure they are not legally enforceable in any event.

They are but the ne club can accept compensations to tear it up.

HoboHarry
27-02-2019, 01:55 AM
They had to be compensated though.
You didnae read article did ye? :greengrin

FilipinoHibs
27-02-2019, 02:23 AM
You didnae read article did ye? :greengrin

Yes I did. They are not recognised by the SFA. That is the player will only be registered with the SFA when they sign the actual contract after their previous contract with their current club runs out. But a pre-contract is a legal document which is enforceable.

HoboHarry
27-02-2019, 02:24 AM
Yes I did. They are not recognised by the SFA. That is the player will only be registered with the SFA when they sign the actual contract after their previous contract with their current club runs out. But a pre-contract is a legal document which is enforceable.
I was talking about the compensation part......

blackpoolhibs
27-02-2019, 05:33 AM
I wonder if Scott Allan is a Hecky type of player, perhaps he wants a different type on his midfield?

Onion
27-02-2019, 06:29 AM
There's a huge gulf in quality between Hibs and Celtic midfield. Just because NL thought SA would be good for Hibs, doesn't all of a sudden make him good enough for Celtic.They operate on an entirely different level to Hibs. NL's appointment won't make a jot of difference.

Since452
27-02-2019, 06:32 AM
I doubt it. Lennon wants to get the Celtic fans on side. Playing a player who hasn't played any first team football this season in a big game wouldn't do him any favours

CallumLaidlaw
27-02-2019, 06:39 AM
Think we’re getting carried away here. The guy has is played a handful of games in 3 years for Celtic. They’d look a bit daft going to the effort of him forcing a cancellation of contract with Hibs, paying Hibs a fee and giving him a new contract. Their fans will be expecting his wage to go on a player that they think will improve them - not a guy that couldn’t get on their bench for 3 years.


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Sergio sledge
27-02-2019, 06:55 AM
No they didn't. The contract was torn up.

St Johnstone cancel pre-contract with Ross County's Richard ... - BBChttps://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23083594 (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiH3cj8mdrgAhWzURUIHcToBMkQFjAAegQIARAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fsport%2Ffootball %2F23083594&usg=AOvVaw0U5_AguiV8orY1c359HcF8)

We're getting into semantics here, technically Ross County didn't pay a fee to St Johnstone you are correct, but as part of the agreement to get the pre-contract cancelled, Roy McGregor made a donation to St Johnstone's community fund. It may not strictly have been a fee, but either way they had to be compensated to get them to cancel the agreement and not pursue it with the SFA.

3pm
27-02-2019, 07:45 AM
I wonder if Scott Allan is a Hecky type of player, perhaps he wants a different type on his midfield?

Interesting point.

You’d imagine he’d want him with the quality he possesses but you never know.

flash
27-02-2019, 07:53 AM
Not sure I would want a manager who doesn't rate him.

MWHIBBIES
27-02-2019, 09:14 AM
Surely it would depend on any clauses written into them? For example, why would a club not want to insert a clause cancelling the agreement if the player was to sustain a career threatening injury before his old contract wound down?

True but have you ever heard of that actually happening? Only injury Allan is likely to get is a cold right now.

CB_NO3
27-02-2019, 09:17 AM
Scott Allan will be a Hibs player come June. Some amount of nonsense on this thread.

SquashedFrogg
27-02-2019, 09:36 AM
I wonder if Scott Allan is a Hecky type of player, perhaps he wants a different type on his midfield?

I thought about this when PH was appointed. Maybe he's not his type. Or, maybe he could bring in better.

Love Allan and he's a terrific wee player. If he comes then great. But we are on a new adventure with a manager with a different approach.

Who knows.

tamig
27-02-2019, 10:23 AM
I thought about this when PH was appointed. Maybe he's not his type. Or, maybe he could bring in better.

Love Allan and he's a terrific wee player. If he comes then great. But we are on a new adventure with a manager with a different approach.

Who knows.
I honestly think Scott Allan is a top top player based on his time with us in his two previous spells. I don’t think any manager could get a better player for that role in the market we operate in. I’m excited to see him back next season.

blackpoolhibs
27-02-2019, 10:28 AM
I honestly think Scott Allan is a top top player based on his time with us in his two previous spells. I don’t think any manager could get a better player for that role in the market we operate in. I’m excited to see him back next season.

I'm with you on this, i just thought of this when i listened to him and the way he wants his teams to play?

I hope he is part of the new managements team/plans, as i love the way he plays and how he seems to make us tick.:pray:

proud_and_green
27-02-2019, 01:42 PM
My feeling is that he will be a Hibs player come the summer. There are a couple of factors at play here besides the wishes of Scotty, and I assume that he does still want to come.
Despit the RC/StJ situation, it is not in the interests of either club to resile this pre-contract. To do so would undermine trust in the pre-contract system, Hibs want players to sign PCs; therefore if they renege on this future players will be more difficult to persuade that Hibs are an honourable club to deal with. Pre-contract allow players to plan their future.
My understanding is that Hibs are tough but fair in contract negotiation and that is worth a lot for future dealings.

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familyman
28-02-2019, 08:21 AM
I think just maybe Lennon may well bring Scott back into the playing pool till end of season....we need to wait and see but a place on the bench at least I suspect.

Last Minute
28-02-2019, 08:23 AM
And :dunno:

BoomtownHibees
28-02-2019, 08:27 AM
He didn’t last night when they were down to the bare bones

Itsnoteasy
28-02-2019, 08:32 AM
I think just maybe Lennon may well bring Scott back into the playing pool till end of season....we need to wait and see but a place on the bench at least I suspect.

What difference does that make to Hibs.
By the time he's match fit he'll be on the way to us.

Since452
28-02-2019, 08:34 AM
Allan is so far off the first team he'd be as well having an extended pre season

Waxy
28-02-2019, 08:34 AM
I think just maybe Lennon may well bring Scott back into the playing pool till end of season....we need to wait and see but a place on the bench at least I suspect.

He’ll be doing us a favour then.

calumhibee1
28-02-2019, 08:40 AM
If he does then great, it helps him get more up to speed for coming to us.

However I’d suspect that Allan will not be stripped again this season.

MyJo
28-02-2019, 08:42 AM
Allan is not in the picture at Celtic whatsoever. Not allowing him to leave in January was an act of pure spite.

If we were not waiting in the wings to sign him then he would have had his contract paid up and told to beat it during one of the last two transfer windows.

NadeAteMyLunch!
28-02-2019, 11:47 AM
He didn’t last night when they were down to the bare bones

Kennedy picked the squad last night

BoomtownHibees
28-02-2019, 12:11 PM
Kennedy picked the squad last night

Point still stands

Scott Allan Key
28-02-2019, 12:21 PM
There's a huge gulf in quality between Hibs and Celtic midfield. Just because NL thought SA would be good for Hibs, doesn't all of a sudden make him good enough for Celtic.They operate on an entirely different level to Hibs. NL's appointment won't make a jot of difference.

Noticed watching Sportscene last night that Euan Henderson, Liam’s brother played last night. Made a thread the needle through ball with pace to set up counter attack that led to first goal. Point is, I don’t think Henderson is a regular as players were missing I think, so Celtic already have the strength in depth not to need Allan.


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malcolm
28-02-2019, 12:23 PM
Reading this thread think many just need to either hold tight or just let go (https://www.tena.co.uk/men/) :wink:

ScottB
28-02-2019, 12:33 PM
I doubt Lennon will have much / any say in the club’s transfer activity as long as he’s a temp.

Vault Boy
28-02-2019, 12:48 PM
Really excited to see Allan in a Hibs strip again. I think he was even better in his loan spell than he was the first time round, and that's saying a lot.