Lenny

[scotia44]

On soccer am "hibs was good" moved on to speak sellick and Bolton

[southsider]

On soccer am "hibs was good" moved on to speak sellick and Bolton
Pals in the media trying to get him a job. No problem with that. Good luck to him in his next job.

[theonlywayisup]

Pals in the media trying to get him a job. No problem with that. Good luck to him in his next job.

Nah, he's just an interesting person to listen to. One might not agree with everything he says, but he's speaks well.

[essexhibee]

Looks relaxed and well. Always speaks well

[Cardinal G]

Whilst it was disappointing how it ended you can't help when seeing him look back on how good we were for each other.
Wish him all the best for the rest of his career, left us with good memories of how good we were last season under him.

[LustForLeith]

Interesting that his mention of Hibs featured the word ‘finances’

[wookie70]

He did well with the challenge at the end. To me his future should be in media where he looks like he enjoys his work. The Beast looked a better volleyer of a ball

[hibee-boys]

He did well with the challenge at the end. To me his future should be in media where he looks like he enjoys his work. The Beast looked a better volleyer of a ball

Redeemed himself with a cracker of a free kick. Always speaks well about the game when he's on TV, even thought that pre hibs. He'll be in demand for media work and wish him all the best in the future. If he ends up back at easter road for media work or managing another team (celtic) i hope we give him a good reception.

[neil7908]

Interesting that his mention of Hibs featured the word ‘finances’

What exactly did he say?

[Captain Trips]

Interesting that his mention of Hibs featured the word ‘finances’

Did it mention 8th?

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Looks relaxed and well. Always speaks well

This.
I don't think that either side in the "fall out " would wish to turn the clock back now and change the decision, so it is a no score draw and we all move on.

[Gatecrasher]

Interesting that his mention of Hibs featured the word ‘finances’

I think it's an easy get out clause for him to blame finances but in reality every hibs fan should know by now he's had more to spend than nearly every hibs manager in the last 25 years (Alex McLeish aside) and to leave the club in 8th wasn't good enough.

[ancient hibee]

I think it's an easy get out clause for him to blame finances but in reality every hibs fan should know by now he's had more to spend than nearly every hibs manager in the last 25 years (Alex McLeish aside) and to leave the club in 8th wasn't good enough.

Did he blame finances ?

[Gatecrasher]

Did he blame finances ?I didnt see the interview but just going by the quoted post, even if he didn't plenty of other people have.

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[Brightside]

Interesting that his mention of Hibs featured the word ‘finances’

It didnt ....he was talking about Bolton at that point.

[ancient hibee]

I didnt see the interview but just going by the quoted post, even if he didn't plenty of other people have.

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So in fact he wasn’t ,to quote you,using an easy get out clause at all.

[Hibeesmad]

Lennon has a bit of class about him. He enjoyed his time here and it was a fantastic partnership between him and our club. Wish him nothing but the best (unless it’s against the hibees).

[Gatecrasher]

So in fact he wasn’t ,to quote you,using an easy get out clause at all.Like I said I didn't see the interview so just trusting what other posters said. As I also said other people have used it as an excuse for him.

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[Zazu62]

When the going got tough, as in not as much money to spend as he is used to and the horrendous injury list I just don’t think he fancied it. His team selections/substitutes especially the last couple of months and calling out Kamberi everyweek seemed to suggest he was working his ticket and wanted out.

[Lago]

It didnt ....he was talking about Bolton at that point.
Just shows how easy it is to generate some fake news !

[A Hi-Bee]

Just shows how easy it is to generate some fake news !

You beat me to it lago, and before you know it these things can become a fact, I despair at the gossiping that goes onto the internet at times, so full of ***** it can be dangerous.

[Weegreenman]

He looked really relaxed, very different from his recent interviews down at HTC. I’m afraid Lenny only has himself to blame for his Hibs exit. I can only think that it would have taken something really serious for Dempster to take the decisive action that she did. I wish Lenny all the best but we move on with a new manager who hopefully can work within the perametres of the club.

[essexhibee]

Some free kick too!

[matty_f]

Wish Lennon nothing but the best. I loved his time here, albeit it wasn't great towards the end.

I'd be surprised if most Hibs fans didn't feel the same. He was good for us, we were good for him.

[Jim44]

Wish Lennon nothing but the best. I loved his time here, albeit it wasn't great towards the end.

I'd be surprised if most Hibs fans didn't feel the same. He was good for us, we were good for him.

.... :agree: But in the bigger picture, I think he brought about his own demise, not the nasty Hibs board, as his chums are quick enough to remind us.

[HibbyDave]

Next manager at Leicester I think

[theonlywayisup]

Did it mention 8th?

No need for such comments.

[Hi Heid Yin]

Did it mention 8th?

This harping on about 8th position is a nonsense, simply because he left us half way through the season.

He did not guide us to an 8th place finish at a season's end.

None of us will ever know where we could have ended up if he had remained in charge.

Who's to say he would not have inspired us to a top 4 place?

The fact is that in the 2 full season's he completed as manager/coach we enjoyed nothing but success: Clinching promotion as Champions in his first full season and a European slot in his 2nd

[The Harp Awakes]

Lennon has a bit of class about him. He enjoyed his time here and it was a fantastic partnership between him and our club. Wish him nothing but the best (unless it’s against the hibees).

Yes, the Lennon years were 2 of the best I've experienced in my lifetime supporting Hibs. A clever, articulate guy and a top Manager.

[HibeeHibernian4]

This harping on about 8th position is a nonsense, simply because he left us half way through the season.

He did not guide us to an 8th place finish at a season's end.

None of us will ever know where we could have ended up if he had remained in charge.

This right here is exactly why Lennon will have been delighted to have got out while he can, because he can spin it this way even though anybody who has ever watched a game of football ever could tell you that he'd lost the dressing room and all basic knowledge of how to set out a team.


Who's to say he would not have inspired us to a top 4 place?

As somebody who had the misfortune of being at his last game, I am. He would not have come close. It was over for him.

[jacomo]

Next manager at Leicester I think


He was a good player for them but I’d be surprised if that got him the job. I think Rodgers would get it over him.

[Michael]

Didn't Mowbray leave us in 9th? No one mentions that.

[BILLYHIBS]

Whatever happened Lenny could not handle it at HIBS

2 wins in 14 tells its own story

He lost the plot

I have forgotten about him already

The futures bright the futures green and white

Onwards and upwards

[Captain Trips]

No need for such comments.

Why?

[Captain Trips]

No need for such comments.

No need for Hibs to be struggling to even have got top 6.

[The Modfather]

Yes, the Lennon years were 2 of the best I've experienced in my lifetime supporting Hibs. A clever, articulate guy and a top Manager.

It’s all about opinions so no one is right or wrong. Last season was up there with the most enjoyable I’ve see. However the championship season was turgid viewing IMO and we all know about this season.

Wish him well and looking forward to seeing what Higgingbottom can achieve.

[The Modfather]

Didn't Mowbray leave us in 9th? No one mentions that.

True, but not many call him our best ever manager or a born winner either. Both Mowbray & Lennon built exciting enjoyable teams and both had their faults as well.

[Hibeesmad]

He was a good player for them but I’d be surprised if that got him the job. I think Rodgers would get it over him.

No way Rodgers will leave before ‘10 in a row’

[pacoluna]

Whatever happened Lenny could not handle it at HIBS

2 wins in 14 tells its own story

He lost the plot

I have forgotten about him already

The futures bright the futures green and white

Onwards and upwards

Yes you've forgotten about him hence this post.

[calumhibee1]

Wish Lennon nothing but the best. I loved his time here, albeit it wasn't great towards the end.

I'd be surprised if most Hibs fans didn't feel the same. He was good for us, we were good for him.

Yup. I wanted him gone, I’m glad he’s gone but I hope he succeeds in whatever he does next. I doubt there’s many who don’t feel the same, at least in regard to wanting him to do well in his next venture anyway.

[sauzee6_2]

I really enjoyed Neil Lennon’s time with us, and yes I sang his name, however being honest, I never really took to him.

In all likelihood it was his celtic connections but I never felt he was ‘one of us’.

I was gutted when McLeish & Mowbray left, with Lennon I wish him well, but don’t / won’t miss him.

In truth, he probably left at the right time, any longer and in my opinion the support would have turned on him as I don’t believe he would have achieved top 6 (not that’s achieved yet).

[HibeeHibernian4]

Yes you've forgotten about him hence this post.

Still raging?

[BILLYHIBS]

Yes you've forgotten about him hence this post.

No just fed up of folk harping on about him he is history

Deal with it!

[Waxy]

I loved Lennys time at Hibs.Its great the passion he puts into managing and how he always seems to wind up the opposition.
This is probably his downfall as a manager though. He ends up the focal point and he becomes a reason the opposition try much harder.
He inadvertantly puts pressure on the players without knowing it.
It was great fun though and good luck to Lenny in the future.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

McLeish, Mowbray, Lennon all done well at Hibs but left us in a precarious position when they left. I have no problem with Lennon and wish him well in the future. Like McLeish and Mowbray, Lennon gave us some great moments and that I'm thankful for, but we were 8th and the season was going nowhere with him in charge. We now have a new management team in who have got off to a decent start and hopefully we can have a positive end to the season. I'm sure Lennon, giving the right club and conditions will go on to have success, just think he'd taken Hibs as far as he thought we could go.

[Forza Fred]

He experienced both with Bolton and Hibs the need to manage both clubs within a budget.

Near the end of his term here, he seemed to have difficulty getting success with the resources to hand, and he will no doubt have learned from that experience and will be a better manager in future because of that.

Our ‘upward trajectory’ had well and truly ceased under him and it was probably in both parties interests to move on.

I wish him nothing but the best in his future endeavours.

[Hi Heid Yin]

This right here is exactly why Lennon will have been delighted to have got out while he can, because he can spin it this way even though anybody who has ever watched a game of football ever could tell you that he'd lost the dressing room and all basic knowledge of how to set out a team.



As somebody who had the misfortune of being at his last game, I am. He would not have come close. It was over for him.


Pure conjecture, borne of hatred for Neil Lennon.

This is all I see in your post.

I for one am grateful to him for making going to Easter Road an absolute joy, with some of the best and most exciting football I have ever seen in my 50 years of following Hibs

Yes, he was controversial and a self-confessed "hot-head", but I do recall our Eddie Turnbull demonstrating similar traits. Did that make him a bad manager ?

Of course not.

It appears that your hatred for Neil Lennon has clouded your judgment of his tenure.

He was an unquestionable success story for our great club.

History will judge him less harshly than you and your ilk.

[HibeeHibernian4]

Poster A makes an absolutely ludicrous claim about Lennon's time here and proclaims him to be the second coming of Christ.

Poster B reminds Poster A that while there were some great moments in the Lennon era, there were also some bad points, and we parted ways with him sitting 8th in the table with just 2 wins in 15 games. Poster B goes on to say that they don't think Lennon would have turned it around.

Poster A decides that Poster B must have a personal vendetta against, and hatred of, Neil Lennon.

:rolleyes:

[HibeeHibernian4]

On a wider point, it is genuinely ridiculous that one isn't able to make a criticism of Lennon without it being treated by the same two or three posters as a personal attack on the man himself.

I don't know how many times I have to repeat this, I bear no ill will towards Lennon, I wish him all the best for the future.

At the same time, I'm glad he's no longer our manager.

There's room for nuance here, you don't either have to love Lennon or want him dead. There's a middle ground.

[DetroitHibs]

I liked Lennon as a manager, but he's gone now. Same applies with ex players, once they leave Hibs, I couldn't really give a flying **** what they do.

[Captain Trips]

I like Neil Lennon but the position he had us in when he left was unacceptable irrespective of what went before. He may have sorted it he may not but if we finished 6th I would have sacked him.

I would have been devestated if what happened with Lennon had occurred at same point last season. However I was not really bothered which for me was enough to say it just wasn't good enough.

[theonlywayisup]

Why?

Cause he's gone now. He gave us two very good years and demands a bit more respect than some pretty poor comments. Yes, the last few months were not great, but are you and your type constantly going to drag his reputation down. Give it a rest, please.

It's time to move on.

[Captain Trips]

Cause he's gone now. He gave us two very good years and demands a bit more respect than some pretty poor comments. Yes, the last few months were not great, but are you and your type constantly going to drag his reputation down. Give it a rest, please.

It's time to move on.

"You and your type" dragging down his reputation. Im thinking of Jack Nicholson and his "you can't handle the truth" line which you may have bettered with your nonsense.

[Hi Heid Yin]

Poster A makes an absolutely ludicrous claim about Lennon's time here and proclaims him to be the second coming of Christ.

Poster B reminds Poster A that while there were some great moments in the Lennon era, there were also some bad points, and we parted ways with him sitting 8th in the table with just 2 wins in 15 games. Poster B goes on to say that they don't think Lennon would have turned it around.

Poster A decides that Poster B must have a personal vendetta against, and hatred of, Neil Lennon.

:rolleyes:

If you notice the pattern of my posts re Neil Lennon, you will see that they are always in response to the constant jibes and negative references from one or two anti-Lennon posters.

They guy is gone, but the digs, and jibes and negative spin continue unabaited.

Let it go, because it really does come across as spiteful and vindictive.

[jacomo]

No way Rodgers will leave before ‘10 in a row’


I’m pretty certain he will.

[brog]

Next manager at Leicester I think

Not a chance. He left Celtc on a high thinking he would be in demand in England's top tier. He got Bolton. I honestly doubt he'll get another management job with the same status as Hibs but I see him having a fruitful media career & I wish him well.

[theonlywayisup]

"You and your type" dragging down his reputation. Im thinking of Jack Nicholson and his "you can't handle the truth" line which you may have bettered with your nonsense.

What have I said that's nonsense?

[Captain Trips]

If you notice the pattern of my posts re Neil Lennon, you will see that they are always in response to the constant jibes and negative references from one or two anti-Lennon posters.

They guy is gone, but the digs, and jibes and negative spin continue unabaited.

Let it go, because it really does come across as spiteful and vindictive.

What construes as anti Lennon? That you keep mentioning, is it saying our results were poor this season? What exactly?

[Captain Trips]

What have I said that's nonsense?

Most if not all of it is generalised nonsense and over dramatic. It was just missing the Eastenders drum roll at end.

[FilipinoHibs]

Not a chance. He left Celtc on a high thinking he would be in demand in England's top tier. He got Bolton. I honestly doubt he'll get another management job with the same status as Hibs but I see him having a fruitful media career & I wish him well.

A blind monkey would be successful at Celtic with their budget a multiple of everybody else's and their ugly brother in lower leagues. We struggled to win a a lower league without Gers and Hearts. Had a good second half of the season back in top league thanks to bringing in Allan to play alongside two of Stubb's signings. But his outrageous behaviour in public and in private, his poor team selection and tactics were all big black marks against him. Glad he has gone.

[Slateford Hibee]

Wasn't a fan of Lenny prior to his appointment, however since then I have nothing but respect for the man. Good luck to him whatever he does except against us. Will never forget the aeroplane, would love to have done that myself. Second season after promotion seems to be a struggle for every team. Love Hibs more than anything and we will do well with PH. GGTTH

[1875godsgift]

Wasn't a fan of Lenny prior to his appointment, however since then I have nothing but respect for the man. Good luck to him whatever he does except against us. Will never forget the aeroplane, would love to have done that myself. Second season after promotion seems to be a struggle for every team. Love Hibs more than anything and we will do well with PH. GGTTH

Are you home yet?

[Dashing Bob S]

Ultimately we will never know whether Lennon would have turned it around. The loss of that star midfield trio was always going to mean a rebuild, which will be ongoing as I doubt Hanlon, Stevenson, McGregor and Milligan have more than season left in them at the level we need to be. It’s a big job and tough without a checkbook. We are pretty tight and that’s the way it’ll stay with Petrie/Farmer. Maybe it should, maybe not, that’s another debate.

Also unknown whether PH will take us forward. Hopefully make a couple of key signings for next term but I think he may suffer the frustrations of Lennon after a couple of seasons. We’re close to having a decent team and his big challenge is to get us strong next season. The season after that, we probably have to start again.

[Gloucester Hibs]

Didn't Mowbray leave us in 9th? No one mentions that.

Was at Mowbray’s last game for us - a 1-0 defeat away at St Mirren. David Van Zanten scored a raker. Grim.

[Slateford Hibee]

Nowhere near. Need more posts to keep me going.

[Hi Heid Yin]

What construes as anti Lennon? That you keep mentioning, is it saying our results were poor this season? What exactly?

There are one or two who make no attempt to hide their contempt for Neil Lennon, and conveniently dismiss his 2 successful full seasons with us - preferring to focus solely on the couple of months slump and define him by this - with one poster even attempting to re-write history in order to slur his character.

These are the "anti-Lennon" brigade that I challenge, not the reasoned posters who can see both the good and the bad in his record and talk of both in a fair and balanced way and give credit when it is due.

[bigwheel]

There are one or two who make no attempt to hide their contempt for Neil Lennon, and conveniently dismiss his 2 successful full seasons with us - preferring to focus solely on the couple of months slump and define him by this - with one poster even attempting to re-write history in order to slur his character.

These are the "anti-Lennon" brigade that I challenge, not the reasoned posters who can see both the good and the bad in his record and talk of both in a fair and balanced way and give credit when it is due.

Think this a perfect post. I have no problem with anyone who wanted Lennon gone at the end. Even though I felt he had earned enough credit to get the rest of the season, We were certainly in a rut. I'll always recall lennon's tenture as positive. 49% win rate...24 losses in circa 130 games..probably we won't see that type of record again for many years. Enjoyed the fiery, dynamic nature he brought to the club..


Now he has gone, not sure why the negativity from some, but we should all move on. We have a new boss. I am already starting to enjoy the seemingly forensic nature of Heck's style of coaching and prep...




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[BegbieHSC]

I love Lenny, and will miss him. He really got under our skin, and we really got under his. He just got us.

Was the perfect man to succeed Stubbsy, and I’m really sad about how it ended.

Hope he does well, and as long as I’m down Leith Walk, he’ll never have to pay for a pint down that way.

Time to move on though I hope Heckingbottom gets under the skin as much as Lenny did.

Buzzing for the times ahead. Hecky’s Hibs look like they have real potential.

[Hi Heid Yin]

Think this a perfect post. I have no problem with anyone who wanted Lennon gone at the end. Even though I felt he had earned enough credit to get the rest of the season, We were certainly in a rut. I'll always recall lennon's tenture as positive. 49% win rate...24 losses in circa 130 games..probably we won't see that type of record again for many years. Enjoyed the fiery, dynamic nature he brought to the club..


Now he has gone, not sure why the negativity from some, but we should all move on. We have a new boss. I am already starting to enjoy the seemingly forensic nature of Heck's style of coaching and prep...




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You could almost be talking about Eddie Turnbull.

[Hi Heid Yin]

I love Lenny, and will miss him. He really got under our skin, and we really got under his. He just got us.

Was the perfect man to succeed Stubbsy, and I’m really sad about how it ended.

Hope he does well, and as long as I’m down Leith Walk, he’ll never have to pay for a pint down that way.

Time to move on though I hope Heckingbottom gets under the skin as much as Lenny did.

Buzzing for the times ahead. Hecky’s Hibs look like they have real potential.


Ditto fellow Hibby!

[Scott Allan Key]

Interesting that his mention of Hibs featured the word ‘finances’

Interesting that when Leeann spoke about ambition in her press conference, she emphasised the necessity to not be reckless. Can’t help but think she meant Lennon.


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[theonlywayisup]

Think this a perfect post. I have no problem with anyone who wanted Lennon gone at the end. Even though I felt he had earned enough credit to get the rest of the season, We were certainly in a rut. I'll always recall lennon's tenture as positive. 49% win rate...24 losses in circa 130 games..probably we won't see that type of record again for many years. Enjoyed the fiery, dynamic nature he brought to the club..


Now he has gone, not sure why the negativity from some, but we should all move on. We have a new boss. I am already starting to enjoy the seemingly forensic nature of Heck's style of coaching and prep...

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Agree.

The team that finished last season was the best Hibs team I've had the pleasure of watching. Never before (I was just too young for the Tornadoes) have I watched a Hibs team that I knew would win the majority of games in an entertaining manner, even against the Old Firm and the Hertz.

Yes, I can pick out the negatives like the defeat at Tiny and the aftermath, but in life I focus on the positives.

I'm now content that Lennon has gone, I'm happy to support Heckingbottom.

However, I'm frustrated with those who continue to drop in the negative comments about Lennon at every opportunity. Guys and girls, it's time to move on.

[Captain Trips]

There are one or two who make no attempt to hide their contempt for Neil Lennon, and conveniently dismiss his 2 successful full seasons with us - preferring to focus solely on the couple of months slump and define him by this - with one poster even attempting to re-write history in order to slur his character.

These are the "anti-Lennon" brigade that I challenge, not the reasoned posters who can see both the good and the bad in his record and talk of both in a fair and balanced way and give credit when it is due.

Neil Lennon got credit at the time when doing very well. The slump he got criticised for and IMO rightly so. At the time he left the positive seasons had no bearing on what was happening at that point.

I am glad he has left not because of anything other than results and I feel we were on a downward spiral and even if solely my opinion I think he was going stale here. No amount of discussing the good times makes this season any better.

I think Neil Lennon being a winner was the real reason things were going wrong. We were delighted to finish 4th and maybe Neil felt after all 4th isn't success for him only 1st is.

A few months have lost 1000s of mangers their job, Ckaudio Ranieri for instance. For me I just don't think Neil wants success as 4th he wants 1st and therefore "I" believe things started to go stale for him. No anti Lennon no dislike just results.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Neil Lennon got credit at the time when doing very well. The slump he got criticised for and IMO rightly so. At the time he left the positive seasons had no bearing on what was happening at that point.

I am glad he has left not because of anything other than results and I feel we were on a downward spiral and even if solely my opinion I think he was going stale here. No amount of discussing the good times makes this season any better.

I think Neil Lennon being a winner was the real reason things were going wrong. We were delighted to finish 4th and maybe Neil felt after all 4th isn't success for him only 1st is.

A few months have lost 1000s of mangers their job, Ckaudio Ranieri for instance. For me I just don't think Neil wants success as 4th he wants 1st and therefore "I" believe things started to go stale for him. No anti Lennon no dislike just results.

Sums it up nicely for me.

[Pretty Boy]

I have no ill feeling towards Lennon, neither do I want to canonise him.

I'm glad to see he looks relaxed, refreshed and happy. Maybe those closest to him could do worse than suggest a wee break from football would be good for him. It's worth noting the Hibs team now look far more relaxed, refreshed and happy too so maybe the split has been for the best for both parties.

Lennons achievememts and failings have been done to death so there's no need to go over them again. Unlike some Hibs managers from days gone by I wish him nothing but the best going forward.

[CapitalGreen]

I find it strange that a lot of people’s opinion of Lennon’s time at Hibs is based solely on a 13 game run at the end of last season.

Looking at the managers that returned both clubs to the Premiership, Robbie Neilson had a superior record at Hearts than Lennon had at Hibs.

Neilson inherited a squad who had just been relegated. Lead them to immediate promotion after 29 games in a league with both Hibs and Rangers. This broke the record for clinching the league in the least amount of games, finishing on 91 points and scoring 96 goals in the process. The following season Hearts finished 3rd in the Premiership. Neilson left Hearts sitting 4th in the league with a 58.5% win percentage (P106 W62 D22 L22).

Lennon inherited a squad who had just won the cup. Lead us to promotion after 33 games in a league with no Hearts or Rangers. Finishing on 71 points and scoring 59 goals in the process, the 2nd lowest totals for a champion in the last 10 years. The following season we finished 4th in the Premiership. Lennon left Hibs sitting 8th in the league with a 48% win percentage (P123 W59 D40 L24).

[judas]

Pure conjecture, borne of hatred for Neil Lennon.

This is all I see in your post.

I for one am grateful to him for making going to Easter Road an absolute joy, with some of the best and most exciting football I have ever seen in my 50 years of following Hibs

Yes, he was controversial and a self-confessed "hot-head", but I do recall our Eddie Turnbull demonstrating similar traits. Did that make him a bad manager ?

Of course not.

It appears that your hatred for Neil Lennon has clouded your judgment of his tenure.

He was an unquestionable success story for our great club.

History will judge him less harshly than you and your ilk.

How you can read ‘hatred’ into that post is beyond me. In fact your post is frankly a bit wierd.

I agree with the lads post. In my view Lennon did lose the dressing room and he saw the writing on the wall weeks before his departure. I speculate that he did manufacture his departure and it’s just has well. Because god knows were we would have been by the time he had been sacked.

[The Green Goblin]

I have no ill feeling towards Lennon, neither do I want to canonise him.

I'm glad to see he looks relaxed, refreshed and happy. Maybe those closest to him could do worse than suggest a wee break from football would be good for him. It's worth noting the Hibs team now look far more relaxed, refreshed and happy too so maybe the split has been for the best for both parties.

Lennons achievememts and failings have been done to death so there's no need to go over them again. Unlike some Hibs managers from days gone by I wish him nothing but the best going forward.

Yup, an amicable divorce. There were some good times together but things had changed: the relationship had run its course and it was time to call it a day.

[theonlywayisup]

How you can read ‘hatred’ into that post is beyond me. In fact your post is frankly a bit wierd.

I agree with the lads post. In my view Lennon did lose the dressing room and he saw the writing on the wall weeks before his departure. I speculate that he did manufacture his departure and it’s just has well. Because god knows were we would have been by the time he had been sacked.

Not going to disagree with what you're saying, but my comment is that why does every thread about Lennon or not end up with arguments by the pro/anti group.

This thread started by someone saying he's on Soccer AM then two posts in the negativity starts. Give it a xxxxxxx rest.

[Winston Ingram]

This right here is exactly why Lennon will have been delighted to have got out while he can, because he can spin it this way even though anybody who has ever watched a game of football ever could tell you that he'd lost the dressing room and all basic knowledge of how to set out a team.



As somebody who had the misfortune of being at his last game, I am. He would not have come close. It was over for him.

This is spot on.

The results in his last 3 months were purely down to him. His insistence on sticking with 3 at the back when it clearly wasn’t working and him constantly playing players out of position ruined their confidence.

Him constantly calling out players for his mistakes was never going to work.

[theonlywayisup]

The results in his last 3 months were purely down to him.

No it wasn't. I think injuries at an alarming rate, players going off form, poor referee decision, the inability to replace the midfield etc are valid reasons.

But, hey ho. You believe what you want to believe and I'll stick to my own views.

[Sammy7nil]

I find it strange that a lot of people’s opinion of Lennon’s time at Hibs is based solely on a 13 game run at the end of last season.

Looking at the managers that returned both clubs to the Premiership, Robbie Neilson had a superior record at Hearts than Lennon had at Hibs.

Neilson inherited a squad who had just been relegated. Lead them to immediate promotion after 29 games in a league with both Hibs and Rangers. This broke the record for clinching the league in the least amount of games, finishing on 91 points and scoring 96 goals in the process. The following season Hearts finished 3rd in the Premiership. Neilson left Hearts sitting 4th in the league with a 58.5% win percentage (P106 W62 D22 L22).

Lennon inherited a squad who had just won the cup. Lead us to promotion after 33 games in a league with no Hearts or Rangers. Finishing on 71 points and scoring 59 goals in the process, the 2nd lowest totals for a champion in the last 10 years. The following season we finished 4th in the Premiership. Lennon left Hibs sitting 8th in the league with a 48% win percentage (P123 W59 D40 L24).

Interesting

[bigwheel]

I find it strange that a lot of people’s opinion of Lennon’s time at Hibs is based solely on a 13 game run at the end of last season.

Looking at the managers that returned both clubs to the Premiership, Robbie Neilson had a superior record at Hearts than Lennon had at Hibs.

Neilson inherited a squad who had just been relegated. Lead them to immediate promotion after 29 games in a league with both Hibs and Rangers. This broke the record for clinching the league in the least amount of games, finishing on 91 points and scoring 96 goals in the process. The following season Hearts finished 3rd in the Premiership. Neilson left Hearts sitting 4th in the league with a 58.5% win percentage (P106 W62 D22 L22).

Lennon inherited a squad who had just won the cup. Lead us to promotion after 33 games in a league with no Hearts or Rangers. Finishing on 71 points and scoring 59 goals in the process, the 2nd lowest totals for a champion in the last 10 years. The following season we finished 4th in the Premiership. Lennon left Hibs sitting 8th in the league with a 48% win percentage (P123 W59 D40 L24).

Interesting this..although you fail to add a couple Of important things in

Firstly Neilson inherited a team that had played together all the previous season - loads of continuity. Hearts were nothing short of excellent in the championship - was an impressive season for them

He also had an excellent first season back - must be up there with best ever season back in the top league by any team - likewise our season too - Our biggest ever top league performance - with less losses than any other season.

My point is both had great first seasons back up - both can be very proud of those records ..

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Next manager at Leicester I think

Now an open position

[sadtom]

Lies. Damn lies. And statistics!

While accepting things have to move on and wishing nothing but great success to our new manager and his staff. To read some of the revisionist and downright disrespectful garbage being written about Lennon is nothing short of a disgrace and utterly cringeworthy.

NL took over at a difficult time for 2 main reasons.
1 - we had failed in our primary objective of getting promoted for 2 years. We were desperate to get back and could not afford to fail again.
2 - he was taking over from a man who had just delivered the holy grail and who will be rightly lauded by the support forever for this achievement...a hard act to follow. With a support who are prone to getting carried away at the first shoots of success.

For decades I've heard fans demanding for a leader who is not afraid to get down and dirty with the press, the other clubs, the authorities, refs etc. Who will fight our corner and not let us be a soft touch in any respect.
Equally I've heard decades of complaints that underperforming players need 'telt!' That nothing but 100% effort is required...that losing hurts and should not be tolerated. THIS is whats required to be a winner.
Look at the last 2 managers, out with the weegies, who were successful . Fergie and McLean...both were abrasive, demanding and aggressive. Difference was their clubs supporters lapped it up and got right behind their confrontational managers. We on the other hand, bless, got a bit queasy about it.
We finally get someone cut from that cloth only for people to start complaining about 'embarrassing behaviour', 'unbecoming' of our club, or 'not Hibs class' and other assorted bull$heet of that nature. It would appear as an entity we are not actually prepared to go those 'extra yards' to be successful. That it all gets a bit too much for the squeamish and sensitive souls in our support. And also from (if the stories are true) some players who don't like some home truths.

Much has been made of the 3 wins in 14 (2 in 13 in league) at the end of his tenure. Within those 14 games we lost 5. 2 unfortunate 1-0 home defeats to hertz and StJ (after 11 months unbeaten at home). A poor 1-0 defeat away to 'well. A very poor 3-0 loss away to a high flying Killie. a reasonable show in a 4-2 defeat at parkheid.
We did manage a 2-0 win against the champions, draws home and away to sevco and an away draw against hertz who were also on the crest of a wave at the time.

This all happened on the back of the man himself saying that this season would not be as successful, that there would be difficult times as we tried to rebuild after losing an entire section of the team which had proved to be as good as we'd had in decades. Did anyone listen? It would appear plenty did not.
He was still trying to find our best side, still trying to rebuild. At the same time suffering a horrendous run of injuries, as bad as I've ever seen.
Would he have turned it round? No-one will ever know, though I fancy, given support and time, he would have.

Some fact which are undisputable.
He took over after our 'highest of highs' and managed to keep us on an upward curve.

Really unlucky (after a brilliant 1-0 away win) to go out of Europe to Brondy.

For the most part played exciting AND effective football (combining the 2 had always been elusive).

Really improved and made more consistent a lot of the players who were there - Boyle, SJM, Dylan, Hanlon, Lewy. Brought through big Ryan and Olly. Signed 2 good keepers...something approximately 10 managers before him managed combined. Signed one of the classiest defenders ever seen in Efe. Flo looked a revelation before his form dropped off. Scotty A was a joy to watch. Barker really came on to a game and looked a real handful. Slivka, who is technically a fine player and still has real potential.
Of course he signed some duds as well...they all do!

Loved listening to him speak. Inciteful and passionate. He gave us a higher profile than we've had in decades.

Got us promoted at the first time of asking - check.

Record season ticket sales - check.

Largest average home gates in over 50 years - check.

Highest league point total in SPL ever - check.

Best record against the old squirm from any Hibs manager in history EVER - check.

Best run in Europe for 30 years - check.

All achieved in 2 1/2 seasons.

He did have failings, though I suspect his biggest was his inability to manage the expectations of an over excitable and often delusional support.

Recently a comprehensive list was compiled giving the respective win rates of all 32 managers. Lennon came 10th. I decided to look at those stats again as I don't think it gives a proper picture. Win rate is important though not the full story. After all i'd rather we won 49 out 100 and drew 51, than won 50 and lost 50.
Instead I worked out what the average points total per game the managers had achieved. This is a more important figure.
So using 3 pts a win.

Stein is still top averaging 2.02 pts per game. Dan McMichael (in his first spell in charge) is 2nd with 1.96 - both were only in charge for 50 games.
If you add McMichael's 2 spell in charge, his average drops to 1.32 pts per game.
Stubbs is 3rd at 1.93...though all his league games were in the 2nd tier.
Neil Lennon comes FOURTH! (3rd if you count McMichaels 2 spells together). Averaging 1.76 per game of his 123 games in charge, Granted with 1 season in 2nd tier.
(then McFarlane 1.76, Shaw 1.71, Turnbull 1.69, Shankly and McCartney at 1.68, McLeish 1.63, Ormond, 1.61, Mowbray 1.59, Maley 1.57, Collins 1.55, Auld 1.50...before it drops away off to 1.36 (Miller).

I think it would also be interesting to know what the goals for and against stats are...if anyone knows or can be ersed.

Anyone who thinks Neil Lennon wasn't a real success for Hibs is mental and living in a wee wibbly wobbly world of their own.
To all those who had/have a problem wi NL (only you can explain why) you need to give yourself a f***in' realty check. For the reasons best know to yourselves I guess you can be happy that Lennon is now no longer in charge...but FFS give the guy the credit and respect that he absolutely deserves.

I really feel we have missed a trick not holding on to Lennon for another couple of years. Though as it stands, our current gaffer has the best record of all. Long may it continue.

Its not often clubs make 2 good appointments in a row, never mind 3.

For that reason i sincerely hope the future is green and white! (though if i'm honest, i'm concerned it might be 'beige')

[Hibbyradge]

I love Neil Lennon with all my heart.

If I had my way, I'd have him stuffed and I'd keep him in my hall like that bear in The Drovers on Loch Lomond.

Just nailing my colours to the mast.

[Captain Trips]

Lies. Damn lies. And statistics!

While accepting things have to move on and wishing nothing but great success to our new manager and his staff. To read some of the revisionist and downright disrespectful garbage being written about Lennon is nothing short of a disgrace and utterly cringeworthy.

NL took over at a difficult time for 2 main reasons.
1 - we had failed in our primary objective of getting promoted for 2 years. We were desperate to get back and could not afford to fail again.
2 - he was taking over from a man who had just delivered the holy grail and who will be rightly lauded by the support forever for this achievement...a hard act to follow. With a support who are prone to getting carried away at the first shoots of success.

For decades I've heard fans demanding for a leader who is not afraid to get down and dirty with the press, the other clubs, the authorities, refs etc. Who will fight our corner and not let us be a soft touch in any respect.
Equally I've heard decades of complaints that underperforming players need 'telt!' That nothing but 100% effort is required...that losing hurts and should not be tolerated. THIS is whats required to be a winner.
Look at the last 2 managers, out with the weegies, who were successful . Fergie and McLean...both were abrasive, demanding and aggressive. Difference was their clubs supporters lapped it up and got right behind their confrontational managers. We on the other hand, bless, got a bit queasy about it.
We finally get someone cut from that cloth only for people to start complaining about 'embarrassing behaviour', 'unbecoming' of our club, or 'not Hibs class' and other assorted bull$heet of that nature. It would appear as an entity we are not actually prepared to go those 'extra yards' to be successful. That it all gets a bit too much for the squeamish and sensitive souls in our support. And also from (if the stories are true) some players who don't like some home truths.

Much has been made of the 3 wins in 14 (2 in 13 in league) at the end of his tenure. Within those 14 games we lost 5. 2 unfortunate 1-0 home defeats to hertz and StJ (after 11 months unbeaten at home). A poor 1-0 defeat away to 'well. A very poor 3-0 loss away to a high flying Killie. a reasonable show in a 4-2 defeat at parkheid.
We did manage a 2-0 win against the champions, draws home and away to sevco and an away draw against hertz who were also on the crest of a wave at the time.

This all happened on the back of the man himself saying that this season would not be as successful, that there would be difficult times as we tried to rebuild after losing an entire section of the team which had proved to be as good as we'd had in decades. Did anyone listen? It would appear plenty did not.
He was still trying to find our best side, still trying to rebuild. At the same time suffering a horrendous run of injuries, as bad as I've ever seen.
Would he have turned it round? No-one will ever know, though I fancy, given support and time, he would have.

Some fact which are undisputable.
He took over after our 'highest of highs' and managed to keep us on an upward curve.

Really unlucky (after a brilliant 1-0 away win) to go out of Europe to Brondy.

For the most part played exciting AND effective football (combining the 2 had always been elusive).

Really improved and made more consistent a lot of the players who were there - Boyle, SJM, Dylan, Hanlon, Lewy. Brought through big Ryan and Olly. Signed 2 good keepers...something approximately 10 managers before him managed combined. Signed one of the classiest defenders ever seen in Efe. Flo looked a revelation before his form dropped off. Scotty A was a joy to watch. Barker really came on to a game and looked a real handful. Slivka, who is technically a fine player and still has real potential.
Of course he signed some duds as well...they all do!

Loved listening to him speak. Inciteful and passionate. He gave us a higher profile than we've had in decades.

Got us promoted at the first time of asking - check.

Record season ticket sales - check.

Largest average home gates in over 50 years - check.

Highest league point total in SPL ever - check.

Best record against the old squirm from any Hibs manager in history EVER - check.

Best run in Europe for 30 years - check.

All achieved in 2 1/2 seasons.

He did have failings, though I suspect his biggest was his inability to manage the expectations of an over excitable and often delusional support.

Recently a comprehensive list was compiled giving the respective win rates of all 32 managers. Lennon came 10th. I decided to look at those stats again as I don't think it gives a proper picture. Win rate is important though not the full story. After all i'd rather we won 49 out 100 and drew 51, than won 50 and lost 50.
Instead I worked out what the average points total per game the managers had achieved. This is a more important figure.
So using 3 pts a win.

Stein is still top averaging 2.02 pts per game. Dan McMichael (in his first spell in charge) is 2nd with 1.96 - both were only in charge for 50 games.
If you add McMichael's 2 spell in charge, his average drops to 1.32 pts per game.
Stubbs is 3rd at 1.93...though all his league games were in the 2nd tier.
Neil Lennon comes FOURTH! (3rd if you count McMichaels 2 spells together). Averaging 1.76 per game of his 123 games in charge, Granted with 1 season in 2nd tier.
(then McFarlane 1.76, Shaw 1.71, Turnbull 1.69, Shankly and McCartney at 1.68, McLeish 1.63, Ormond, 1.61, Mowbray 1.59, Maley 1.57, Collins 1.55, Auld 1.50...before it drops away off to 1.36 (Miller).

I think it would also be interesting to know what the goals for and against stats are...if anyone knows or can be ersed.

Anyone who thinks Neil Lennon wasn't a real success for Hibs is mental and living in a wee wibbly wobbly world of their own.
To all those who had/have a problem wi NL (only you can explain why) you need to give yourself a f***in' realty check. For the reasons best know to yourselves I guess you can be happy that Lennon is now no longer in charge...but FFS give the guy the credit and respect that he absolutely deserves.

I really feel we have missed a trick not holding on to Lennon for another couple of years. Though as it stands, our current gaffer has the best record of all. Long may it continue.

Its not often clubs make 2 good appointments in a row, never mind 3.

For that reason i sincerely hope the future is green and white! (though if i'm honest, i'm concerned it might be 'beige')

Who states he was not a success? Was Claudio Ranieri a success? Take everything you put about Lennon there and times it by 10 for Ranieri.

However things can change. I am not and never have dismissed all the good NL did but I judge him ongoing and it was poor.

[dp00]

He prob avoids talking about hibs because they have an agreement and he won’t want to slip up unintentionally so it’s easier for him to speak about his other clubs


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[Crab apple]

Good article with Lenny in today’s Sunday Times. He talks highly of McNulty and mentions Flo. In advance of next week’s Scottish cup tie the interview mainly focussed on how he set us up positively to attack Celtic, playing with two up front and disrupting the supply from SB in the Celtic midfield.

[sadtom]

Who states he was not a success? Was Claudio Ranieri a success? Take everything you put about Lennon there and times it by 10 for Ranieri.

However things can change. I am not and never have dismissed all the good NL did but I judge him ongoing and it was poor.


WTF has Ranieri got to do wi the price of beans!?

So as soon as anyone hits a bad spell (that they even try to tell you is coming) you see no sense in supporting them through it? Especially given what he had achieved to that point. Yep things do change, could they not have changed back for the better?
Those 14 games weren't great but we've seen a lot worse over the years.
Even if it was time up for Lennon, some of the rude, disrespectful comments have been out of order.
I have no idea what you individually have said. I've got enough to do without stalking Hibs net posters. But I've certainly seen enough comments on here that did not, and still do not, give the man the thanks and respect that he earned and deserves.

[Captain Trips]

WTF has Ranieri got to do wi the price of beans!?

So as soon as anyone hits a bad spell (that they even try to tell you is coming) you see no sense in supporting them through it? Especially given what he had achieved to that point. Yep things do change, could they not have changed back for the better?
Those 14 games weren't great but we've seen a lot worse over the years.
Even if it was time up for Lennon, some of the rude, disrespectful comments have been out of order.
I have no idea what you individually have said. I've got enough to do without stalking Hibs net posters. But I've certainly seen enough comments on here that did not, and still do not, give the man the thanks and respect that he earned and deserves.

I care not a jot whether I meet your criteria of respect. If you cannot understand Ranieri in having a great season then the next not being as good then that is on you.

As I said I care not at all on what you regard as respect or credit. I gave him 100x more credit over last 2 years than being critical of late.

[erin-go-bragh87]

WTF has Ranieri got to do wi the price of beans!?

So as soon as anyone hits a bad spell (that they even try to tell you is coming) you see no sense in supporting them through it? Especially given what he had achieved to that point. Yep things do change, could they not have changed back for the better?
Those 14 games weren't great but we've seen a lot worse over the years.
Even if it was time up for Lennon, some of the rude, disrespectful comments have been out of order.
I have no idea what you individually have said. I've got enough to do without stalking Hibs net posters. But I've certainly seen enough comments on here that did not, and still do not, give the man the thanks and respect that he earned and deserves.

He was here to do a job, now he’s gone. Couldn’t care less what he does now just like I couldn’t care less about him before he was our manager. He’s not bigger than Hibs and doesn’t “deserve” anything from us now.

[sadtom]

Plenty folk would have been happy for Steve Clark to get the Hibs job, i wouldnt have been against it myself.
His team have lost 5 drawn 2 of their last 7 scoring 3 (none in last 5) conceding 11.
Would everyone think killie fans would be off their heids calling for him to be emptied?

Just asking...

[J-C]

Wasn't fussed when Lennon got the Hibs job but gave him my backing, took over a good team and got us up with pretty boring industrial football. Finished an impressive 4th but his tantrums on and off the field started to annoy me and his questionable transfer dealing and team tactics made me question his credentials. I think he would've been given to the end of the season if that friday hadn't happened, seemingly a decent bloke off the pitch, so good luck to him, we move onwards as a club.

[sadtom]

He was here to do a job, now he’s gone. Couldn’t care less what he does now just like I couldn’t care less about him before he was our manager. He’s not bigger than Hibs and doesn’t “deserve” anything from us now.

Couldn't disagree more.

People players/managers/staff who have done a good job for us deserve our respect for their efforts even after they leave. Not to say we need to 'support' them after they've gone but happy to thank them and wish them well.

[Captain Trips]

Couldn't disagree more.

People players/managers/staff who have done a good job for us deserve our respect for their efforts even after they leave. Not to say we need to 'support' them after they've gone but happy to thank them and wish them well.

Where are they not getting respect? Have you checked what people who are critical of Lennon of late like myself have been saying since he first joined?

If not OK to judge NL on last few months it also not fare to judge peoples posts over that period and look at there remarks since day 1.

Some of the utter guff on here about "anti Lennon", "hate", "respect" because some are critical is disgraceful. Not saying you said all of those buts it's utter nonsense.

[The Modfather]

Lies. Damn lies. And statistics!

While accepting things have to move on and wishing nothing but great success to our new manager and his staff. To read some of the revisionist and downright disrespectful garbage being written about Lennon is nothing short of a disgrace and utterly cringeworthy.

NL took over at a difficult time for 2 main reasons.
1 - we had failed in our primary objective of getting promoted for 2 years. We were desperate to get back and could not afford to fail again.
2 - he was taking over from a man who had just delivered the holy grail and who will be rightly lauded by the support forever for this achievement...a hard act to follow. With a support who are prone to getting carried away at the first shoots of success.

For decades I've heard fans demanding for a leader who is not afraid to get down and dirty with the press, the other clubs, the authorities, refs etc. Who will fight our corner and not let us be a soft touch in any respect.
Equally I've heard decades of complaints that underperforming players need 'telt!' That nothing but 100% effort is required...that losing hurts and should not be tolerated. THIS is whats required to be a winner.
Look at the last 2 managers, out with the weegies, who were successful . Fergie and McLean...both were abrasive, demanding and aggressive. Difference was their clubs supporters lapped it up and got right behind their confrontational managers. We on the other hand, bless, got a bit queasy about it.
We finally get someone cut from that cloth only for people to start complaining about 'embarrassing behaviour', 'unbecoming' of our club, or 'not Hibs class' and other assorted bull$heet of that nature. It would appear as an entity we are not actually prepared to go those 'extra yards' to be successful. That it all gets a bit too much for the squeamish and sensitive souls in our support. And also from (if the stories are true) some players who don't like some home truths.

Much has been made of the 3 wins in 14 (2 in 13 in league) at the end of his tenure. Within those 14 games we lost 5. 2 unfortunate 1-0 home defeats to hertz and StJ (after 11 months unbeaten at home). A poor 1-0 defeat away to 'well. A very poor 3-0 loss away to a high flying Killie. a reasonable show in a 4-2 defeat at parkheid.
We did manage a 2-0 win against the champions, draws home and away to sevco and an away draw against hertz who were also on the crest of a wave at the time.

This all happened on the back of the man himself saying that this season would not be as successful, that there would be difficult times as we tried to rebuild after losing an entire section of the team which had proved to be as good as we'd had in decades. Did anyone listen? It would appear plenty did not.
He was still trying to find our best side, still trying to rebuild. At the same time suffering a horrendous run of injuries, as bad as I've ever seen.
Would he have turned it round? No-one will ever know, though I fancy, given support and time, he would have.

Some fact which are undisputable.
He took over after our 'highest of highs' and managed to keep us on an upward curve.

Really unlucky (after a brilliant 1-0 away win) to go out of Europe to Brondy.

For the most part played exciting AND effective football (combining the 2 had always been elusive).

Really improved and made more consistent a lot of the players who were there - Boyle, SJM, Dylan, Hanlon, Lewy. Brought through big Ryan and Olly. Signed 2 good keepers...something approximately 10 managers before him managed combined. Signed one of the classiest defenders ever seen in Efe. Flo looked a revelation before his form dropped off. Scotty A was a joy to watch. Barker really came on to a game and looked a real handful. Slivka, who is technically a fine player and still has real potential.
Of course he signed some duds as well...they all do!

Loved listening to him speak. Inciteful and passionate. He gave us a higher profile than we've had in decades.

Got us promoted at the first time of asking - check.

Record season ticket sales - check.

Largest average home gates in over 50 years - check.

Highest league point total in SPL ever - check.

Best record against the old squirm from any Hibs manager in history EVER - check.

Best run in Europe for 30 years - check.

All achieved in 2 1/2 seasons.

He did have failings, though I suspect his biggest was his inability to manage the expectations of an over excitable and often delusional support.

Recently a comprehensive list was compiled giving the respective win rates of all 32 managers. Lennon came 10th. I decided to look at those stats again as I don't think it gives a proper picture. Win rate is important though not the full story. After all i'd rather we won 49 out 100 and drew 51, than won 50 and lost 50.
Instead I worked out what the average points total per game the managers had achieved. This is a more important figure.
So using 3 pts a win.

Stein is still top averaging 2.02 pts per game. Dan McMichael (in his first spell in charge) is 2nd with 1.96 - both were only in charge for 50 games.
If you add McMichael's 2 spell in charge, his average drops to 1.32 pts per game.
Stubbs is 3rd at 1.93...though all his league games were in the 2nd tier.
Neil Lennon comes FOURTH! (3rd if you count McMichaels 2 spells together). Averaging 1.76 per game of his 123 games in charge, Granted with 1 season in 2nd tier.
(then McFarlane 1.76, Shaw 1.71, Turnbull 1.69, Shankly and McCartney at 1.68, McLeish 1.63, Ormond, 1.61, Mowbray 1.59, Maley 1.57, Collins 1.55, Auld 1.50...before it drops away off to 1.36 (Miller).

I think it would also be interesting to know what the goals for and against stats are...if anyone knows or can be ersed.

Anyone who thinks Neil Lennon wasn't a real success for Hibs is mental and living in a wee wibbly wobbly world of their own.
To all those who had/have a problem wi NL (only you can explain why) you need to give yourself a f***in' realty check. For the reasons best know to yourselves I guess you can be happy that Lennon is now no longer in charge...but FFS give the guy the credit and respect that he absolutely deserves.

I really feel we have missed a trick not holding on to Lennon for another couple of years. Though as it stands, our current gaffer has the best record of all. Long may it continue.

Its not often clubs make 2 good appointments in a row, never mind 3.

For that reason i sincerely hope the future is green and white! (though if i'm honest, i'm concerned it might be 'beige')

A long post with lots of points, some good some less so. However I don’t see any real balance or objectivity in your post.

[sadtom]

A long post with lots of points, some good some less so. However I don’t see any real balance or objectivity in your post.

Are you a teacher?
Surprised you didn't give me a f***in mark!

[Captain Trips]

Plenty folk would have been happy for Steve Clark to get the Hibs job, i wouldnt have been against it myself.
His team have lost 5 drawn 2 of their last 7 scoring 3 (none in last 5) conceding 11.
Would everyone think killie fans would be off their heids calling for him to be emptied?

Just asking...

Is that 14 games? Are they in contention for Europe? Utter nonsense.

[sadtom]

Is that 14 games? Are they in contention for Europe? Utter nonsense.

So you wouldnt have been whining like a biatch if than had been NL? I smell bullsheet.

[Captain Trips]

So you wouldnt have been whining like a biatch if than had been NL? I smell bullsheet.

These is again utter nonsense on Lennon. Utter drivel.

If we were top of league 30ots clear and lost 8 in a row no I wouldn't moan as jobs done. Killie are in mix so can get away with run.

We were not even in race and miles off. Your post is utterly ridiculous. Killie run hasn't put them out of Europe running. Lennon had us miles out it so therefore I must hate him etc etc.

[wookie70]

Good work with the stats. He certainly had a good record overall but wasn't great in the Cups, had a terrible run at the end of his spell and also one of the seasons was spent in a very poor championship. No doubt he was a successful manager overall but the last few months were bizarre with terrible team selections, no leadership and not getting the best out of players.

The point you make about Ferguson and McLean is interesting. Firstly that is 30 odd years ago and secondly they had players who seemed to respond to that way of management. That style works if you are winning but can look a bit silly when losing and also look like you are trying to divert the blame.

When Lennon had a team filled with Stubbs signings he had a group of certified winners. They seemed to be mentally tough before he arrived as witnessed by winning at Inverness after a Cup Final defeat and winning the Scottish Cup after play off heartbreak. His style of management was fine for that group. However, when those players left and Lennon got his own signings in he had a group that seemed to get progressively worse the more the manager criticised and attacked them. You would expect a change of style or a softening of words at that point but he kept on berating players and in particular one individual. Most importantly he did it in the press and not behind closed doors. I can't recall Ferguson or McLean openly lambasting an individual for weeks on end. They might have went about it differently by dropping the player!

I don't think many fans expected us to have the same season as last year given the players we lost but we would have expected a reasonable 11 who looked like they knew what they were doing and that played a similar style of attacking football. We got different formations and personnel every week and a style of football that Butcher and Levein would endorse. He simply didn't have an evident plan and there was nothing to suggest that would get better with the exception of a good set of results over The Rangers and Celtc that were sandwiched in between some appalling performances with bizarre selections.

The vast majority of posters were unhappy but most of us who were criticising Lennon still wanted him to have to the end of the season, me included. It was his own actions that made that impossible.

I'm glad we now have a character in charge who seems to be a unifying force. He is very much in the thoughtful and respectful mould of Stubbs and seems to appreciate the team at East Mains. He fits with the plan that Leeann originally came in with. I'm not sure that was true of Lennon.

The stat that caught my attention the most was how bl**dy Alex Miller survived as Hibs manager for so long. Getting less points that Bertie Auld, who only ever went for a Nil Nil draw, is almost unbelievable. How did he stay boss for around a decade of miserable fitba.



Lies. Damn lies. And statistics!

While accepting things have to move on and wishing nothing but great success to our new manager and his staff. To read some of the revisionist and downright disrespectful garbage being written about Lennon is nothing short of a disgrace and utterly cringeworthy.
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[HibeeHibernian4]

How you can read ‘hatred’ into that post is beyond me. In fact your post is frankly a bit wierd.

I agree with the lads post. In my view Lennon did lose the dressing room and he saw the writing on the wall weeks before his departure. I speculate that he did manufacture his departure and it’s just has well. Because god knows were we would have been by the time he had been sacked.

:agree:

I was a little taken aback to find that my, albeit critical, post of Lennon's exit was 'borne out of hatred'.

[marinello59]

Despite all the loud voices of a few on the extreme sides of this discussion it would appear that the vast majority of Hibs fans recognise the good job Lennon did but realised his time was soon going to come to a natural end.
Neil Lennon will always be one of my favourite Hibs managers ever, I only wish he had stayed until the end of the season. Onwards and upwards with the new man though, the club is always much bigger than one man no matter how strong that personality is. I hope we see Lennon back in management soon, preferably not in Scotland though, I don’t want him as an opponent. 😃

[Hi Heid Yin]

Lies. Damn lies. And statistics!

While accepting things have to move on and wishing nothing but great success to our new manager and his staff. To read some of the revisionist and downright disrespectful garbage being written about Lennon is nothing short of a disgrace and utterly cringeworthy.

NL took over at a difficult time for 2 main reasons.
1 - we had failed in our primary objective of getting promoted for 2 years. We were desperate to get back and could not afford to fail again.
2 - he was taking over from a man who had just delivered the holy grail and who will be rightly lauded by the support forever for this achievement...a hard act to follow. With a support who are prone to getting carried away at the first shoots of success.

For decades I've heard fans demanding for a leader who is not afraid to get down and dirty with the press, the other clubs, the authorities, refs etc. Who will fight our corner and not let us be a soft touch in any respect.
Equally I've heard decades of complaints that underperforming players need 'telt!' That nothing but 100% effort is required...that losing hurts and should not be tolerated. THIS is whats required to be a winner.
Look at the last 2 managers, out with the weegies, who were successful . Fergie and McLean...both were abrasive, demanding and aggressive. Difference was their clubs supporters lapped it up and got right behind their confrontational managers. We on the other hand, bless, got a bit queasy about it.
We finally get someone cut from that cloth only for people to start complaining about 'embarrassing behaviour', 'unbecoming' of our club, or 'not Hibs class' and other assorted bull$heet of that nature. It would appear as an entity we are not actually prepared to go those 'extra yards' to be successful. That it all gets a bit too much for the squeamish and sensitive souls in our support. And also from (if the stories are true) some players who don't like some home truths.

Much has been made of the 3 wins in 14 (2 in 13 in league) at the end of his tenure. Within those 14 games we lost 5. 2 unfortunate 1-0 home defeats to hertz and StJ (after 11 months unbeaten at home). A poor 1-0 defeat away to 'well. A very poor 3-0 loss away to a high flying Killie. a reasonable show in a 4-2 defeat at parkheid.
We did manage a 2-0 win against the champions, draws home and away to sevco and an away draw against hertz who were also on the crest of a wave at the time.

This all happened on the back of the man himself saying that this season would not be as successful, that there would be difficult times as we tried to rebuild after losing an entire section of the team which had proved to be as good as we'd had in decades. Did anyone listen? It would appear plenty did not.
He was still trying to find our best side, still trying to rebuild. At the same time suffering a horrendous run of injuries, as bad as I've ever seen.
Would he have turned it round? No-one will ever know, though I fancy, given support and time, he would have.

Some fact which are undisputable.
He took over after our 'highest of highs' and managed to keep us on an upward curve.

Really unlucky (after a brilliant 1-0 away win) to go out of Europe to Brondy.

For the most part played exciting AND effective football (combining the 2 had always been elusive).

Really improved and made more consistent a lot of the players who were there - Boyle, SJM, Dylan, Hanlon, Lewy. Brought through big Ryan and Olly. Signed 2 good keepers...something approximately 10 managers before him managed combined. Signed one of the classiest defenders ever seen in Efe. Flo looked a revelation before his form dropped off. Scotty A was a joy to watch. Barker really came on to a game and looked a real handful. Slivka, who is technically a fine player and still has real potential.
Of course he signed some duds as well...they all do!

Loved listening to him speak. Inciteful and passionate. He gave us a higher profile than we've had in decades.

Got us promoted at the first time of asking - check.

Record season ticket sales - check.

Largest average home gates in over 50 years - check.

Highest league point total in SPL ever - check.

Best record against the old squirm from any Hibs manager in history EVER - check.

Best run in Europe for 30 years - check.

All achieved in 2 1/2 seasons.

He did have failings, though I suspect his biggest was his inability to manage the expectations of an over excitable and often delusional support.

Recently a comprehensive list was compiled giving the respective win rates of all 32 managers. Lennon came 10th. I decided to look at those stats again as I don't think it gives a proper picture. Win rate is important though not the full story. After all i'd rather we won 49 out 100 and drew 51, than won 50 and lost 50.
Instead I worked out what the average points total per game the managers had achieved. This is a more important figure.
So using 3 pts a win.

Stein is still top averaging 2.02 pts per game. Dan McMichael (in his first spell in charge) is 2nd with 1.96 - both were only in charge for 50 games.
If you add McMichael's 2 spell in charge, his average drops to 1.32 pts per game.
Stubbs is 3rd at 1.93...though all his league games were in the 2nd tier.
Neil Lennon comes FOURTH! (3rd if you count McMichaels 2 spells together). Averaging 1.76 per game of his 123 games in charge, Granted with 1 season in 2nd tier.
(then McFarlane 1.76, Shaw 1.71, Turnbull 1.69, Shankly and McCartney at 1.68, McLeish 1.63, Ormond, 1.61, Mowbray 1.59, Maley 1.57, Collins 1.55, Auld 1.50...before it drops away off to 1.36 (Miller).

I think it would also be interesting to know what the goals for and against stats are...if anyone knows or can be ersed.

Anyone who thinks Neil Lennon wasn't a real success for Hibs is mental and living in a wee wibbly wobbly world of their own.
To all those who had/have a problem wi NL (only you can explain why) you need to give yourself a f***in' realty check. For the reasons best know to yourselves I guess you can be happy that Lennon is now no longer in charge...but FFS give the guy the credit and respect that he absolutely deserves.

I really feel we have missed a trick not holding on to Lennon for another couple of years. Though as it stands, our current gaffer has the best record of all. Long may it continue.

Its not often clubs make 2 good appointments in a row, never mind 3.

For that reason i sincerely hope the future is green and white! (though if i'm honest, i'm concerned it might be 'beige')


Brilliant and reasoned post. :top marks

[pacoluna]

Still raging?

No you've said this a couple of times now :confused:

[pacoluna]

No just fed up of folk harping on about him he is history

Deal with it!

Deal with what? Little spiteful moaners who whinge from their couch on a Saturday about a guy who left nearly a month ago.

[Captain Trips]

Deal with what? Little spiteful moaners who whinge from their couch on a Saturday about a guy who left nearly a month ago.

The only spite I have seen on here is ridiculous accusations and nonsense aimed at posters. Cheek and other bollox. I have seen criticism of Lennon but the only personal stuff comes from some folk disagreeing with the criticism of him.

Quite pathetic.

[BILLYHIBS]

Deal with what? Little spiteful moaners who whinge from their couch on a Saturday about a guy who left nearly a month ago.

Enjoyed him while he was here but now he has gone I am happy to accept it probably the best case scenario for all parties concerned tbh

I have never ever said I was unhappy that he left

My point was he is gone let us all move on

I expected him to get at least until the end of the season to turn things around but sadly it wasn’t to be

I do not think he has been the same since Tinycastle May 2018 tbh

This subject is getting exhausting and is now old hat

Time to move on and give Heckingbottom our support

[greenlex]

Oh FFS he’s gone. Move on.

[pacoluna]

Enjoyed him while he was here but now he has gone I am happy to accept it probably the best case scenario for all parties concerned tbh

I have never ever said I was unhappy that he left

My point was he is gone let us all move on

I expected him to get at least until the end of the season to turn things around but sadly it wasn’t to be

I do not think he has been the same since Tinycastle May 2018 tbh

This subject is getting exhausting and is now old hat

Time to move on and give Heckingbottom our support

I moved on about 3 weeks ago.

[pacoluna]

The only spite I have seen on here is ridiculous accusations and nonsense aimed at posters. Cheek and other bollox. I have seen criticism of Lennon but the only personal stuff comes from some folk disagreeing with the criticism of him.

Quite pathetic.

Yawn, irony klaxon.

[pacoluna]

Oh FFS he’s gone. Move on.

Exactly some people can't seem to, very strange.

[BILLYHIBS]

I moved on about 3 weeks ago.

I moved on May 2018 when he said he didnae want to be here :greengrin

[SquashedFrogg]

Quite amusing reading people saying they're 'over' our former manager on a thread named 'Lenny'.

[HibeeHibernian4]

Quite amusing reading people saying they're 'over' our former manager on a thread named 'Lenny'.

While we're on the subject, what a toe-curler of a nickname. One that should've stayed in the East End of Glasgow for definite.

[Hibeesmad]

One Neil Lennon

[The Harp]

Some interesting posts, particularly the lengthy one from sadtom (well done sir).
I'm glad we had NL for the time we did. Would've liked him to stay longer but it wasn't to be. I hope he can look back on his time with us with fond memories and I wish him all the best for his future career.
Now that The Heck is in the hot seat, things are moving forward at pace. He's got off to an excellent start and hopefully, will help clinch our place in the top 6. He comes over as a good guy, hope he's a great success at ER.

[MWHIBBIES]

If people have a problem with the Lennon talk don't open the thread. This ''move on'' stuff is nonsense. It happened only weeks ago, it is going to be debated for a long while.

[Captain Trips]

Yawn, irony klaxon.

No irony. Do you even know what irony is? It appears not judging by your reply.

[Hibbyradge]

Interesting that when Leeann spoke about ambition in her press conference, she emphasised the necessity to not be reckless. Can’t help but think she meant Lennon.


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I think she was talking about hearts.

[pacoluna]

He was here to do a job, now he’s gone. Couldn’t care less what he does now just like I couldn’t care less about him before he was our manager. He’s not bigger than Hibs and doesn’t “deserve” anything from us now.


Couldn't care less about John McGinn, Frank sauzee, Alan Stubbs, Anthony stokes, Rob Jones, Derek Riordan, latapy, mixu, Collins, stanton then a I take it? because they are nothing to do with hibs any more, it's only your type that assert that we presume someone is bigger than the club.

Thankfully Hibs as a whole aren't as insular as you.

[pacoluna]

No irony. Do you even know what irony is? It appears not judging by your reply.

More irony.

[Humo]

Couldn't care less about John McGinn, Frank sauzee, Alan Stubbs, Anthony stokes, Rob Jones, Derek Riordan, latapy, mixu, Collins, stanton then a I take it? because they are nothing to do with hibs any more, it's only your type that assert that we presume someone is bigger than the club.

Thankfully Hibs as a whole aren't as insular as you.And people still talk about all the players and staff you mentioned. Why can't we still talk about Lennon?

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[Captain Trips]

Couldn't care less about John McGinn, Frank sauzee, Alan Stubbs, Anthony stokes, Rob Jones, Derek Riordan, latapy, mixu, Collins, stanton then a I take it? because they are nothing to do with hibs any more, it's only your type that assert that we presume someone is bigger than the club.

Thankfully Hibs as a whole aren't as insular as you.

"your type" and "assert". Interesting. Assert "hate" assert "dislike" assert "respect" to name but 3 assertions thrown about at "your type"

I will assert you have "no respect" for other supporters and you "hate" people who are critical of Lennon or have a different point of view to you. If these assertions are OK by you to cast against the "your type" out there then it's good enough for you.

You clearly have no understanding of anything other than black or white which is exactly what the point is. You can be critical of him but still think he was good. In your words it appears "your type" fail to grasp this basic concept, hence why I severely doubt you even know what irony even is.

[pacoluna]

And people still talk about all the players and staff you mentioned. Why can't we still talk about Lennon?

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You can talk about him all you want, I just like others, think he deserves more respect. Every time he is brought up in a thread it has a negative slant towards it.

[pacoluna]

"your type" and "assert". Interesting. Assert "hate" assert "dislike" assert "respect" to name but 3 assertions thrown about at "your type"

I will assert you have "no respect" for other supporters and you "hate" people who are critical of Lennon or have a different point of view to you. If these assertions are OK by you to cast against the "your type" out there then it's good enough for you.

It's not A view they hold it's some kind of spite, weird tbh.

Sadtom sums it all perfectly, from now on I will just refer to his post because it's iimpossible to argue with it.

[HibeeHibernian4]

It's not A view they hold is some kind of spite, weird tbh.

Sadtom sums it all perfectly, from now on I will just refer to his post because it's iimpossible to argue with it.

And yet there are so many dubious and contentious elements to a lot of what he's said, funny that.

[Captain Trips]

You can talk about him all you want, I just like others, think he deserves more respect. Every time he is brought up in a thread it has a negative slant towards it.

Why shouldn't it? Because you don't think there is any negatives? You want just the first 2 seasons to be all he is about? Who are you to decide who respects him or not. You are nobody to decide that and nor am I.

[pacoluna]

Why shouldn't it? Because you don't think there is any negatives? You want just the first 2 seasons to be all he is about? Who are you to decide who respects him or not. You are nobody to decide that and nor am I.

Spite can lead to stress I'm trying to help you out.

I was similar with Terry butcher.

[Humo]

You can talk about him all you want, I just like others, think he deserves more respect. Every time he is brought up in a thread it has a negative slant towards it.Surely it's to be expected that there will be those with negative opinions about Lennon. If there was nothing to criticize him for then he would still be here as head coach.

I appreciate that you might want more respect shown to him but your approach is terrible and shows a complete lack of respect to fellow posters.

Its interesting as well that you want people to show more respect for Lennon when theres quite a few times he showed the club little to no respect.

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[Hibbyradge]

Are you a teacher?
Surprised you didn't give me a f***in mark!

At least he bothered to read it...

[Captain Trips]

It's not A view they hold it's some kind of spite, weird tbh.

Sadtom sums it all perfectly, from now on I will just refer to his post because it's iimpossible to argue with it.

Again deciding what folk are meaning and thinking. That response just actually proves you have zero ability to grasp anything other than black/white and not the massive grey in between.

[Captain Trips]

Spite can lead to stress I'm trying to help you out.

I was similar with Terry butcher.

I have no spite and you thinking I have again shows how little you understand the difference between critising somebody and hating them. There is a massive difference once you understand that you then might even make some semblance of sense on here. As at the moment it's pretty much full of nonsense.

[Hibbyradge]

It seems to me that some folk really liked Neil Lennon and still do, some folk liked him and are now indifferent, some liked him, but lost faith in him and some possibly liked him, but now dislike him.

Some folk actively respect him, some wish him no harm, and some no longer respect him.

Why has anyone got a problem with any of that?

You could say something similar about anyone and anything possibly with the exception of Terry Butcher.

[pacoluna]

Again deciding what folk are meaning and thinking. That response just actually proves you have zero ability to grasp anything other than black/white and not the massive grey in between.

It is black and white. He was successful, he left.

There is no real need for debate.

[Hibbyradge]

It is back and white. He was successful, he left.

There is no real need for debate.

I think he was unsuccessful and left.

I agree there's no need, and even less point, in a debate.

[superfurryhibby]

****, gonnae give it a rest!

[BILLYHIBS]

This thread is more entertaining than Man Utd v Liverpool and Man City v Chelsea apart from the bit when the goalie refused to be subbed :greengrin

[Captain Trips]

It is back and white. He was successful, he left.

There is no real need for debate.

His success or lack of is not the point its the utter guff about "your types" and "hate" aimed at others who dare question the tenure. Why do we have to be a "type" why do we "hate" him why are we "spiteful" and not just giving an opinion?

I do not think Jamie MacLaren was as good this season as last. Is there a "your type" for saying that? Is it just "spite" or is he just hated?

[pacoluna]

His success or lack of is not the point its the utter guff about "your types" and "hate" aimed at others who dare question the tenure. Why do we have to be a "type" why do we "hate" him why are we "spiteful" and not just giving an opinion?

Sadtoms post will answer that for you.

[Captain Trips]

Sadtoms post will answer that for you.

Why can't you? It simply appears you just do not have the papers.

His post would answer it but unfortunately it is full of generalising critics of Lennon therefore it is very long and very pointless.

[Hibbyradge]

Sadtoms post will answer that for you.

I know that this is your way of dealing with your grief, but I do think that it would be better if you backed off.

People are entitled to their opinions about our current and past managers.

And although I haven't read anything from anyone which suggests Lennon is hated, they'd be entitled to if that's how they felt.

You love him and I defend your right to do so, but you're not going to be able to force everyone to feel the same way.

Trying to shut people who disagree with you down, like you've been trying to do for weeks, isn't going to work either.

Save yourself the bother and the stress.

[HibeeHibernian4]

It is black and white. He was successful, he left.

There is no real need for debate.

I do hope that, when my time comes, the friends and family I leave behind will defend my legacy with even half the passion which you defend Lennon's (distinctly average) two and a half seasons at Hibs.

[pacoluna]

I know that this is your way of dealing with your grief, but I do think that it would be better if you backed off.

People are entitled to their opinions about our current and past managers.

And although I haven't read anything from anyone which suggests Lennon is hated, they'd be entitled to if that's how they felt.

You love him and I defend your right to do so, but you're not going to be able to force everyone to feel the same way.

Trying to shut people who disagree with you down, like you've been trying to do for weeks, isn't going to work either.

Save yourself the bother and the stress.

Grief ? :greengrin

I think the fact I seem to unintentionally provoke yous like a pack of hiyena's shows that the problem with regards to moving on is on your side.

Ps I don't love him.

[pacoluna]

I do hope that, when my time comes, the friends and family I leave behind will defend my legacy with even half the passion which you defend Lennon's (distinctly average) two and a half seasons at Hibs.

I refer once again to sadtoms post, it is literally impossibe to call his 2 and half years "distinctly average" . Seriously regardless of opinions it's impossible to suggest so, it's undebatable.

[Captain Trips]

Grief ? :greengrin

I think the fact I seem to unintentionally provoke yous like a pack of hiyena's shows that the problem with regards to moving on is on your side.

Ps I don't love him.

Grief? Love? They not OK?
Hate? No respect? Your types? That is fine? This for me has nothing to do with Lennon it's about your interaction on the matter that is ludicrous. Thinking its OK to suggest folk "hate" him. Utterly ridiculous stuff and you reference to Sadtoms post proves you do not have the papers to back up any of the guff spouted by yourself.

[pacoluna]

Grief? Love? They not OK?
Hate? No respect? Your types? That is fine? This for me has nothing to do with Lennon it's about your interaction on the matter that is ludicrous. Thinking its OK to suggest folk "hate" him. Utterly ridiculous stuff and you reference to Sadtoms post proves you do not have the papers to back up any of the guff spouted by yourself.

Never have I said hate.

Never have I said no respect, lack of respect is different.

Your type and my type, we have a difference of opinion.

Why that phrase has seriously negative connotations for you i'm not sure

Sadtoms post really does slam shut any debate, deals with the facts.

[worcesterhibby]

I refer once again to sadtoms post, it is literally impossibe to call his 2 and half years "distinctly average" . Seriously regardless of opinions it's impossible to suggest so, it's undebatable.

He had a decent season in the Championship, a very good season in the top flight, then a poor one, culminating in us dropping down to eighth in the league, pretty much in freefall and with him slagging off the players week after week. At the end of the day, once McGinn left, he struggled to get a tune out of the squad consistently. That's partly because McGinn is such a good player, and partly because he seemed to find it difficult to accept that we couldn't spend millions on replacing him.

The above is undeniable.

We have a new manager now, who seems to be doing a very good job, has won both his first two matches and has got us back into the top 6. Do you not think we should just give the "Lenny this, Lenny that" chat a break, and concentrate on supporting the club ?

[Captain Trips]

Never have I said hate.

Never have I said no respect, lack of respect is different.

Your type and my type, we have a difference of opinion.

Why that phrase has seriously negative connotations for you i'm not sure

Sadtoms post really does slam shut any debate, deals with the facts.

So you have never agreed at all when somebody whom agrees with you but used the term hate for folk who critised Lennon?

So you in all your time on here used the term "your type" for folk who disagreed with you on matters over the years? I find that term shows a lack of respect to posters on here.

Sadtoms post slams nothing but shows emphasis on his narrowed minded opinion on posters on here as you agree that's 2 of "your type" then.

"For that reason i sincerely hope the future is green and white! (though if i'm honest, i'm concerned it might be 'beige') The end of Sadtoms post here which has you in raptures. " biege" is that respectful to Paul Heckingbottom?

So we are not looking so good then "beige" Paul Heckingbottom not up to the job of being better than "biege" ? Yet you have the tumerity to suggest others show a manger not here respect and you agree with somebody writing off Heckingbottom? Unbelievable.

[calumhibee1]

I do hope that, when my time comes, the friends and family I leave behind will defend my legacy with even half the passion which you defend Lennon's (distinctly average) two and a half seasons at Hibs.

:greengrin

To be fair to pacoluna he seems like a guy you’d want on your side. Will defend you at all costs :agree:

[HibeeHibernian4]

I refer once again to sadtoms post, it is literally impossibe to call his 2 and half years "distinctly average" . Seriously regardless of opinions it's impossible to suggest so, it's undebatable.

Season 1 - the definition of underwhelming, knocked out by Queen of the South in the League Cup having had a bye into the Second Round. Finished with a point more than Stubbs managed in two much, much harder leagues. Very difficult to watch in many games, any 'challengers' for the title fell away of their own accord. Beat Bonnyrigg, Ayr and Ian Cathro's Hearts to reach a Semi Final, sets us up terribly and we're 2-0 down in half an hour. Damage effectively done by then, despite a valiant comeback, ran out of steam in the final 15. People say "the job was done", and they're right. But to compare it to what Stubbs had to contend with in the Championship is laughable, even before you take into consideration that Stubbs had us in two domestic cup finals and fighting on all three fronts until February. We won the league, not nearly as convincingly as we should've given our budget and the supposed calibre of Lennon, but it was won all the same. I'd give the season a 6.5 out of 10, overall.

Season 2 - a good August and acceptable September followed by a bad October and November. Out-thought by Tommy Wright yet again. Stokes looking disinterested and playing an attacking midfielder role that absolutely nobody wants him to play. We scrape past the bottom sides and draw with the others, before getting completely destroyed by Aberdeen at Pittodrie. I'd give this part a 5.5 out of 10, overall.

Season 2.5 - so good that I have to put it in its own season. Absolutely fantastic football, great results and buckets of entertainment. If this was Lennon's only six months at Hibs, I'd see what the lionising is all about. Makes three of his best signings in this window in the form of Maclaren, Kamberi and Allan too. Only Marciano and Ambrose top them (in my opinion). Beat Hearts, beat Celtic, beat Rangers, beat Aberdeen, beat Killie. Fantastic. Ends on a sour note with the Tynecastle defeat and he throws his toys out of the pram a little, but overall a fantastic 6 months that nobody could ever take away from him. I'd give this part a 9 out of 10, overall.

Season 3 - a slightly ropey start in Europe against the Faroes, but we make it through unscathed and that's all that matters. Set up very poorly against the Greeks and David Gray (who Lennon goes on to repeatedly ignore in this season) helps turn it around into a 3-2 win. A great win and a solid performance out in Greece to see us through. McGinn leaves, the last of the midfield trio. This is very harsh on Lennon, but it's a sad reality of a club like Hibs, the good players will leave if they play too well too regularly. We go out against Molde, he brings Maclaren on in the home leg with about a minute left when we so clearly need to take a lead out to Norway. Ah well, we go out. A very respectable run in the Europa League and well done to Lennon for that. Although, his absence from the dugout coincided with our best results (only half kidding there). We arrive at the first international break with 5 points from 12, that isn't good enough. We then beat a Kilmarnock side who haven't begun to hit their peak in this season, but it's still a great result all the same. Wins follow against the bottom three and suddenly we're up to second. And then you know the rest, a complete downwards spiral that is brought on by a mix of things, some Lennon's fault, some not (particularly injuries). Lennon starts to look unaware of what his best team is, or how to set them out. We keep playing 3 at the back, it's highly unsuccessful. A corner looks to be turned after wins at Accies and then our best performance of the season against Celtic, but it's something of a flash in a pan. He then presides over us throwing away a very good home derby record (you can thank Stubbs for that), and we go down limply at Motherwell too. He's clearly not looking remotely likely of turning it around and we are now in 8th. He's also slating players in public and (quite probably) in private too. This would usually be fine, but when it's coming from a man who almost never took any blame for himself in his time here, it wears a bit thin. I'd give this a 3 out of 10, overall.

See how I've taken the exact same version of events and spun it another way? That's why you can't just dogmatically go "but sadtom's post". Not everything that's written above is going to be 100% correct, a lot is my subjective opinion, but there'll be a fair number of Hibs fans who largely agree with it. Not out of some hatred of Lennon, but because they also were at the same games and saw the same thing I did. Lennon's time overall was about par for the course of what I'd expect in a Hibs manager, but sandwiched in the middle was an exceptional six months that has, in my opinion, clouded a lot of people's judgment on this. His defenders are trying to lump in his first (and pretty average) 18 months as Hibs manager with the brilliant second half of 2017/18, but it just isn't the case.

[calumhibee1]

Season 1 - the definition of underwhelming, knocked out by Queen of the South in the League Cup having had a bye into the Second Round. Finished with a point more than Stubbs managed in two much, much harder leagues. Very difficult to watch in many games, any 'challengers' for the title fell away of their own accord. Beat Bonnyrigg, Ayr and Ian Cathro's Hearts to reach a Semi Final, sets us up terribly and we're 2-0 down in half an hour. Damage effectively done by then, despite a valiant comeback, ran out of steam in the final 15. I'd give the season a 6.5 out of 10, overall.

Season 2 - a good August and acceptable September followed by a bad October and November. Out-thought by Tommy Wright yet again. Stokes looking disinterested and playing an attacking midfielder role that absolutely nobody wants him to play. We scrape past the bottom sides and draw with the others, before getting completely destroyed by Aberdeen at Pittodrie. I'd give this part a 5.5 out of 10, overall.

Season 2.5 - so good that I have to put it in its own season. Absolutely fantastic football, great results and buckets of entertainment. If this was Lennon's only six months at Hibs, I'd see what the lionising is all about. Makes three of his best signings in this window in the form of Maclaren, Kamberi and Allan too. Only Marciano and Ambrose top them (in my opinion). Beat Hearts, beat Celtic, beat Rangers, beat Aberdeen, beat Killie. Fantastic. Ends on a sour note with the Tynecastle defeat and he throws his toys out of the pram a little, but overall a fantastic 6 months that nobody could ever take away from him. I'd give this part a 9 out of 10, overall.

Season 3 - a slightly ropey start in Europe against the Faroes, but we make it through unscathed and that's all that matters. Set up very poorly against the Greeks and David Gray (who Lennon goes on to repeatedly ignore in this season) helps turn it around into a 3-2 win. A great win and a solid performance out in Greece to see us through. McGinn leaves, the last of the midfield trio. This is very harsh on Lennon, but it's a sad reality of a club like Hibs, the good players will leave if they play too well too regularly. We go out against Molde, he brings Maclaren on in the home leg with about a minute left when we so clearly need to take a lead out to Norway. Ah well, we go out. A very respectable run in the Europa League and well done to Lennon for that. Although, his absence from the dugout coincided with our best results (only half kidding there). We arrive at the first international break with 5 points from 12, that isn't good enough. We then beat a Kilmarnock side who haven't begun to hit their peak in this season, but it's still a great result all the same. Wins follow against the bottom three and suddenly we're up to second. And then you know the rest, a complete downwards spiral that is brought on by a mix of things, some Lennon's fault, some not (particularly injuries). Lennon starts to look unaware of what his best team is, or how to set them out. We keep playing 3 at the back, it's highly unsuccessful. A corner looks to be turned after wins at Accies and then our best performance of the season against Celtic, but it's something of a flash in a pan. He then presides over us throwing away a very good home derby record (you can thank Stubbs for that), and we go down limply at Motherwell too. He's clearly not looking remotely likely of turning it around and we are now in 8th. He's also slating players in public and (quite probably) in private too. This would usually be fine, but when it's coming from a man who almost never took any blame for himself in his time here, it wears a bit thin. I'd give this a 3 out of 10, overall.

See how I've taken the exact same version of events and spun it another way? That's why you can't just dogmatically go "but sadtom's post". Not everything that's written above is going to be 100% correct, a lot is my subjective opinion, but there'll be a fair number of Hibs fans who largely agree with it. Not out of some hatred of Lennon, but because they also were at the same games and saw the same thing I did. Lennon's time overall was about par for the course of what I'd expect in a Hibs manager, but sandwiched in the middle was an exceptional six months that has, in my opinion, clouded a lot of people's judgment on this. His defenders are trying to lump in his first (and pretty average) 18 months as Hibs manager with the brilliant second half of 2017/18, but it just isn't the case.

:agree:

Agree with absolutely all of that.

No hatred for Lennon, enjoyed the final 15 or so games of last season more than any other period I’ve had following Hibs. Thought the Championship was dull and the football wasn’t great but it got us over the line. First half of last season was ok, this season was very poor.

Wish NL all the best for whatever he does next and look forward to moving onwards and upwards under PH.

As an aside BTW, remember when everyone was suggesting there was absolutely nobody out there to take over from NL if we sacked him? :greengrin

[Captain Trips]

Season 1 - the definition of underwhelming, knocked out by Queen of the South in the League Cup having had a bye into the Second Round. Finished with a point more than Stubbs managed in two much, much harder leagues. Very difficult to watch in many games, any 'challengers' for the title fell away of their own accord. Beat Bonnyrigg, Ayr and Ian Cathro's Hearts to reach a Semi Final, sets us up terribly and we're 2-0 down in half an hour. Damage effectively done by then, despite a valiant comeback, ran out of steam in the final 15.

Season 2 - a good August and acceptable September followed by a bad October and November. Out-thought by Tommy Wright yet again. Stokes looking disinterested and playing an attacking midfielder role that absolutely nobody wants him to play. We scrape past the bottom sides and draw with the others, before getting completely destroyed by Aberdeen at Pittodrie.

Season 2.5 - so good that I have to put it in its own season. Absolutely fantastic football, great results and buckets of entertainment. If this was Lennon's only six months at Hibs, I'd see what the lionising is all about. Makes three of his best signings in this window in the form of Maclaren, Kamberi and Allan too. Only Marciano and Ambrose top them (in my opinion). Beat Hearts, beat Celtic, beat Rangers, beat Aberdeen, beat Killie. Fantastic. Ends on a sour note with the Tynecastle defeat and he throws his toys out of the pram a little, but overall a fantastic 6 months that nobody could ever take away from him.

Season 3 - a slightly ropey start in Europe against the Faroes, but we make it through unscathed and that's all that matters. Set up very poorly against the Greeks and David Gray (who Lennon goes on to repeatedly ignore in this season) helps turn it around into a 3-2 win. A great win and a solid performance out in Greece to see us through. McGinn leaves, the last of the midfield trio. This is very harsh on Lennon, but it's a sad reality of a club like Hibs, the good players will leave if they play too well too regularly. We go out against Molde, he brings Maclaren on in the home leg with about a minute left when we so clearly need to take a lead out to Norway. Ah well, we go out. A very respectable run in the Europa League and well done to Lennon for that. Although, his absence from the dugout coincided with our best results (only half kidding there). We arrive at the first international break with 5 points from 12, that isn't good enough. We then beat a Kilmarnock side who haven't begun to hit their peak in this season, but it's still a great result all the same. Wins follow against the bottom three and suddenly we're up to second. And then you know the rest, a complete downwards spiral that is brought on by a mix of things, some Lennon's fault, some not (particularly injuries). Lennon starts to look unaware of what his best team is, or how to set them out. We keep playing 3 at the back, it's highly unsuccessful. A corner looks to be turned after wins at Accies and then our best performance of the season against Celtic, but it's something of a flash in a pan. He then presides over us throwing away a very good home derby record (you can thank Stubbs for that), and we go down limply at Motherwell too. He's clearly not looking remotely likely of turning it around and we are now in 8th. He's also slating players in public and (quite probably) in private too. This would usually be fine, but when it's coming from a man who almost never took any blame for himself in his time here, it wears a bit thin.

See how I've taken the exact same version of events and spun it another way? That's why you can't just dogmatically go "but sadtom's post". Not everything that's written above is going to be 100% correct, a lot is my subjective opinion, but there'll be a fair number of Hibs fans who largely agree with it. Not out of some hatred of Lennon, but because they also were at the same games and saw the same thing I did. Lennon's time overall was about par for the course of what I'd expect in a Hibs manager, but sandwiched in the middle was an exceptional six months that has, in my opinion, clouded a lot of people's judgment on this. His defenders are trying to lump in his first (and pretty average) 18 months as Hibs manager with the brilliant second half of 2017/18, but it just isn't the case.

You are wasting your time here. They seem more supportive of a manager who has left and looking for people to show him respect he deserves. Then on other hand they are already seeing into the future and deciding our time with Paul Heckingbottom will be "biege".

We have to show an ex manager respect (which I have anyway).
But when it comes to man here now he is being disrespected by these same people. Beggers belief zero credibility on here.

We are arguing the toss of matches that have occurred under Lennon but paco and sadtom are deciding the future results of Paul Heckingbottom with that "post". Do you "hate" Heckingbottom? do you agree it will be "biege" out of spite?

[wookie70]

Those are all pretty much my thoughts on his tenure too. I do think you have been a bit generous with season 2.5. It actually lasted nearer 3 months than 6 but I agree with the rest. One thing you did miss out was his signings overall only making comment in the plus column for Flo, McLaren, Efe, Allen and Rocky. His overall signings record was another reason I struggled to appreciate him like others did as was the style of football for the majority of his reign. Those 3 months were pretty special though and he deserves recognition which I think all Hibs fans will give for that run in.


Season 1 - the definition of underwhelming, knocked out by Queen of the South in the League Cup having had a bye into the Second Round. Finished with a point more than Stubbs managed in two much, much harder leagues. Very difficult to watch in many games, any 'challengers' for the title fell away of their own accord. Beat Bonnyrigg, Ayr and Ian Cathro's Hearts to reach a Semi Final, sets us up terribly and we're 2-0 down in half an hour. Damage effectively done by then, despite a valiant comeback, ran out of steam in the final 15. People say "the job was done", and they're right. But to compare it to what Stubbs had to contend with in the Championship is laughable, even before you take into consideration that Stubbs had us in two domestic cup finals and fighting on all three fronts until February. We won the league, not nearly as convincingly as we should've given our budget and the supposed calibre of Lennon, but it was won all the same. I'd give the season a 6.5 out of 10, overall.

Season 2 - a good August and acceptable September followed by a bad October and November. Out-thought by Tommy Wright yet again. Stokes looking disinterested and playing an attacking midfielder role that absolutely nobody wants him to play. We scrape past the bottom sides and draw with the others, before getting completely destroyed by Aberdeen at Pittodrie. I'd give this part a 5.5 out of 10, overall.

Season 2.5 - so good that I have to put it in its own season. Absolutely fantastic football, great results and buckets of entertainment. If this was Lennon's only six months at Hibs, I'd see what the lionising is all about. Makes three of his best signings in this window in the form of Maclaren, Kamberi and Allan too. Only Marciano and Ambrose top them (in my opinion). Beat Hearts, beat Celtic, beat Rangers, beat Aberdeen, beat Killie. Fantastic. Ends on a sour note with the Tynecastle defeat and he throws his toys out of the pram a little, but overall a fantastic 6 months that nobody could ever take away from him. I'd give this part a 9 out of 10, overall.

Season 3 - a slightly ropey start in Europe against the Faroes, but we make it through unscathed and that's all that matters. Set up very poorly against the Greeks and David Gray (who Lennon goes on to repeatedly ignore in this season) helps turn it around into a 3-2 win. A great win and a solid performance out in Greece to see us through. McGinn leaves, the last of the midfield trio. This is very harsh on Lennon, but it's a sad reality of a club like Hibs, the good players will leave if they play too well too regularly. We go out against Molde, he brings Maclaren on in the home leg with about a minute left when we so clearly need to take a lead out to Norway. Ah well, we go out. A very respectable run in the Europa League and well done to Lennon for that. Although, his absence from the dugout coincided with our best results (only half kidding there). We arrive at the first international break with 5 points from 12, that isn't good enough. We then beat a Kilmarnock side who haven't begun to hit their peak in this season, but it's still a great result all the same. Wins follow against the bottom three and suddenly we're up to second. And then you know the rest, a complete downwards spiral that is brought on by a mix of things, some Lennon's fault, some not (particularly injuries). Lennon starts to look unaware of what his best team is, or how to set them out. We keep playing 3 at the back, it's highly unsuccessful. A corner looks to be turned after wins at Accies and then our best performance of the season against Celtic, but it's something of a flash in a pan. He then presides over us throwing away a very good home derby record (you can thank Stubbs for that), and we go down limply at Motherwell too. He's clearly not looking remotely likely of turning it around and we are now in 8th. He's also slating players in public and (quite probably) in private too. This would usually be fine, but when it's coming from a man who almost never took any blame for himself in his time here, it wears a bit thin. I'd give this a 3 out of 10, overall.

See how I've taken the exact same version of events and spun it another way? That's why you can't just dogmatically go "but sadtom's post". Not everything that's written above is going to be 100% correct, a lot is my subjective opinion, but there'll be a fair number of Hibs fans who largely agree with it. Not out of some hatred of Lennon, but because they also were at the same games and saw the same thing I did. Lennon's time overall was about par for the course of what I'd expect in a Hibs manager, but sandwiched in the middle was an exceptional six months that has, in my opinion, clouded a lot of people's judgment on this. His defenders are trying to lump in his first (and pretty average) 18 months as Hibs manager with the brilliant second half of 2017/18, but it just isn't the case.

[HibeeHibernian4]

Those are all pretty much my thoughts on his tenure too. I do think you have been a bit generous with season 2.5. It actually lasted nearer 3 months than 6 but I agree with the rest. One thing you did miss out was his signings overall only making comment in the plus column for Flo, McLaren, Efe, Allen and Rocky. His overall signings record was another reason I struggled to appreciate him like others did as was the style of football for the majority of his reign. Those 3 months were pretty special though and he deserves recognition which I think all Hibs fans will give for that run in.

I say 6 months because sentimentally I view it as the period of 31st January 2018 to the day McGinn left, which was something like 8th August 2018. I like to think of the mental game in the Faroes and the trip to Greece as part of those good times. But yes, if we're being strictly accurate, it was February until May, so 4 months at best.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Neil Lennon has gone. I'll remember him as the manager who got us promoted back to the premiership and that's enough to remember him as being a success, you cant ask any more than a manager delivering what he was hired to do in the first instance ….. He did have a mountain of pressure on him because he would have been as aware as anybody what a disaster a 4th season in the championship would have been for Hibs, from that point of view his experience at Celtic would have been invaluable … more than anything at the time that's why I thought he was a good appointment.

But as his time drew to a close I for one never saw any indication of him being on the verge of taking us to another level or even signs that he could in the future … whether that would have changed is open to debate, but that's all it is a debate because nobody will ever really know. From that point of view I just don't get the absolute wailing and gnashing of teeth that his departure has caused a section of our support. He never once took the club to a place it wouldn't reasonably have been expected to go under a different manager, a 4th place finish and two semi finals is decent, but its hardly Alex Fergusonesque, especially with the squad he had.

The way I judge a manager is how he reacts when the chips are down, both in his ability to use a depleted squad and how he man manages his players … in both aspects Neil Lennon wasn't exactly setting the heather on fire, as the season wore on to me he looked more and more like a guy who was running out of ideas and getting more and more exasperated by the fact.

Was he a bad manager ….. no ….. was he a decent manager …. yes ….. was he the guy who was going to in the fullness of time turn Hibs into a club realising its potential to the fullest …. there is little evidence that he was, at least not in any way enough to make his loss a disaster.

[sadtom]

Season 1 - the definition of underwhelming, knocked out by Queen of the South in the League Cup having had a bye into the Second Round. Finished with a point more than Stubbs managed in two much, much harder leagues. Very difficult to watch in many games, any 'challengers' for the title fell away of their own accord. Beat Bonnyrigg, Ayr and Ian Cathro's Hearts to reach a Semi Final, sets us up terribly and we're 2-0 down in half an hour. Damage effectively done by then, despite a valiant comeback, ran out of steam in the final 15. People say "the job was done", and they're right. But to compare it to what Stubbs had to contend with in the Championship is laughable, even before you take into consideration that Stubbs had us in two domestic cup finals and fighting on all three fronts until February. We won the league, not nearly as convincingly as we should've given our budget and the supposed calibre of Lennon, but it was won all the same. I'd give the season a 6.5 out of 10, overall.

Season 2 - a good August and acceptable September followed by a bad October and November. Out-thought by Tommy Wright yet again. Stokes looking disinterested and playing an attacking midfielder role that absolutely nobody wants him to play. We scrape past the bottom sides and draw with the others, before getting completely destroyed by Aberdeen at Pittodrie. I'd give this part a 5.5 out of 10, overall.

Season 2.5 - so good that I have to put it in its own season. Absolutely fantastic football, great results and buckets of entertainment. If this was Lennon's only six months at Hibs, I'd see what the lionising is all about. Makes three of his best signings in this window in the form of Maclaren, Kamberi and Allan too. Only Marciano and Ambrose top them (in my opinion). Beat Hearts, beat Celtic, beat Rangers, beat Aberdeen, beat Killie. Fantastic. Ends on a sour note with the Tynecastle defeat and he throws his toys out of the pram a little, but overall a fantastic 6 months that nobody could ever take away from him. I'd give this part a 9 out of 10, overall.

Season 3 - a slightly ropey start in Europe against the Faroes, but we make it through unscathed and that's all that matters. Set up very poorly against the Greeks and David Gray (who Lennon goes on to repeatedly ignore in this season) helps turn it around into a 3-2 win. A great win and a solid performance out in Greece to see us through. McGinn leaves, the last of the midfield trio. This is very harsh on Lennon, but it's a sad reality of a club like Hibs, the good players will leave if they play too well too regularly. We go out against Molde, he brings Maclaren on in the home leg with about a minute left when we so clearly need to take a lead out to Norway. Ah well, we go out. A very respectable run in the Europa League and well done to Lennon for that. Although, his absence from the dugout coincided with our best results (only half kidding there). We arrive at the first international break with 5 points from 12, that isn't good enough. We then beat a Kilmarnock side who haven't begun to hit their peak in this season, but it's still a great result all the same. Wins follow against the bottom three and suddenly we're up to second. And then you know the rest, a complete downwards spiral that is brought on by a mix of things, some Lennon's fault, some not (particularly injuries). Lennon starts to look unaware of what his best team is, or how to set them out. We keep playing 3 at the back, it's highly unsuccessful. A corner looks to be turned after wins at Accies and then our best performance of the season against Celtic, but it's something of a flash in a pan. He then presides over us throwing away a very good home derby record (you can thank Stubbs for that), and we go down limply at Motherwell too. He's clearly not looking remotely likely of turning it around and we are now in 8th. He's also slating players in public and (quite probably) in private too. This would usually be fine, but when it's coming from a man who almost never took any blame for himself in his time here, it wears a bit thin. I'd give this a 3 out of 10, overall.

See how I've taken the exact same version of events and spun it another way? That's why you can't just dogmatically go "but sadtom's post". Not everything that's written above is going to be 100% correct, a lot is my subjective opinion, but there'll be a fair number of Hibs fans who largely agree with it. Not out of some hatred of Lennon, but because they also were at the same games and saw the same thing I did. Lennon's time overall was about par for the course of what I'd expect in a Hibs manager, but sandwiched in the middle was an exceptional six months that has, in my opinion, clouded a lot of people's judgment on this. His defenders are trying to lump in his first (and pretty average) 18 months as Hibs manager with the brilliant second half of 2017/18, but it just isn't the case.

The difference was that a little bit of my post was subjective and based on personal opinion. Yours contains much more.
The record points total, best euro run in 30 years, biggest home attendance for 50 years, record season ticket sales, our 2nd biggest transfer fee gained, best ever results against the weegies And most importantly his personal points to games ratio makes him the 4th (arguably the 3rd) most successful manager in our history. That cannot be contested...its set in stone. If that is 'distinctly average' then f*** knows what Hibs games I've been attending for 50 years...because that is so far from 'average' its laughable.

The one thing that I didn't mention previously and perhaps cannot be measured empirically. Was the utter joy I received from watching the bulging eyed seethe that he caused the 'full fat's' and the 'diets'...that alone was worth forking out for 4 season tickets every year.

He's gone now and we move on. But the guy's time in charge should not be twisted and played down. His record will stand the test of time and he should be afforded his place in our history as being a very successful Hibs manager. Give the man his correct dues.
Why anyone would try to distort the absolute facts of his time with us? I don't understand it and can only assume there is another motive, whatever it may be.

[Hi Heid Yin]

The difference was that a little bit of my post was subjective and based on personal opinion. Yours contains much more.
The record points total, best euro run in 30 years, biggest home attendance for 50 years, record season ticket sales, our 2nd biggest transfer fee gained, best ever results against the weegies And most importantly his personal points to games ratio makes him the 4th (arguably the 3rd) most successful manager in our history. That cannot be contested...its set in stone. If that is 'distinctly average' then f*** knows what Hibs games I've been attending for 50 years...because that is so far from 'average' its laughable.

The one thing that I didn't mention previously and perhaps cannot be measured empirically. Was the utter joy I received from watching the bulging eyed seethe that he caused the 'full fat's' and the 'diets'...that alone was worth forking out for 4 season tickets every year.

He's gone now and we move on. But the guy's time in charge should not be twisted and played down. His record will stand the test of time and he should be afforded his place in our history as being a very successful Hibs manager. Give the man his correct dues.
Why anyone would try to distort the absolute facts of his time with us? I don't understand it and can only assume there is another motive, whatever it may be.

A fantastic post and worthy retort to those anti Neil-Lennon posters who are determined not to give a truly "Successful" Hibs manager any credit or afford him even a modicum of respect for what he did for our club.

Re The bit in bold: This is what I have touched upon in other posts. It's hard not to see vindictiveness and hatred as the prime motivator behind some of the posts referencing Neil Lennon.

[Hibeesmad]

Season 1 - the definition of underwhelming, knocked out by Queen of the South in the League Cup having had a bye into the Second Round. Finished with a point more than Stubbs managed in two much, much harder leagues. Very difficult to watch in many games, any 'challengers' for the title fell away of their own accord. Beat Bonnyrigg, Ayr and Ian Cathro's Hearts to reach a Semi Final, sets us up terribly and we're 2-0 down in half an hour. Damage effectively done by then, despite a valiant comeback, ran out of steam in the final 15. People say "the job was done", and they're right. But to compare it to what Stubbs had to contend with in the Championship is laughable, even before you take into consideration that Stubbs had us in two domestic cup finals and fighting on all three fronts until February. We won the league, not nearly as convincingly as we should've given our budget and the supposed calibre of Lennon, but it was won all the same. I'd give the season a 6.5 out of 10, overall.

Season 2 - a good August and acceptable September followed by a bad October and November. Out-thought by Tommy Wright yet again. Stokes looking disinterested and playing an attacking midfielder role that absolutely nobody wants him to play. We scrape past the bottom sides and draw with the others, before getting completely destroyed by Aberdeen at Pittodrie. I'd give this part a 5.5 out of 10, overall.

Season 2.5 - so good that I have to put it in its own season. Absolutely fantastic football, great results and buckets of entertainment. If this was Lennon's only six months at Hibs, I'd see what the lionising is all about. Makes three of his best signings in this window in the form of Maclaren, Kamberi and Allan too. Only Marciano and Ambrose top them (in my opinion). Beat Hearts, beat Celtic, beat Rangers, beat Aberdeen, beat Killie. Fantastic. Ends on a sour note with the Tynecastle defeat and he throws his toys out of the pram a little, but overall a fantastic 6 months that nobody could ever take away from him. I'd give this part a 9 out of 10, overall.

Season 3 - a slightly ropey start in Europe against the Faroes, but we make it through unscathed and that's all that matters. Set up very poorly against the Greeks and David Gray (who Lennon goes on to repeatedly ignore in this season) helps turn it around into a 3-2 win. A great win and a solid performance out in Greece to see us through. McGinn leaves, the last of the midfield trio. This is very harsh on Lennon, but it's a sad reality of a club like Hibs, the good players will leave if they play too well too regularly. We go out against Molde, he brings Maclaren on in the home leg with about a minute left when we so clearly need to take a lead out to Norway. Ah well, we go out. A very respectable run in the Europa League and well done to Lennon for that. Although, his absence from the dugout coincided with our best results (only half kidding there). We arrive at the first international break with 5 points from 12, that isn't good enough. We then beat a Kilmarnock side who haven't begun to hit their peak in this season, but it's still a great result all the same. Wins follow against the bottom three and suddenly we're up to second. And then you know the rest, a complete downwards spiral that is brought on by a mix of things, some Lennon's fault, some not (particularly injuries). Lennon starts to look unaware of what his best team is, or how to set them out. We keep playing 3 at the back, it's highly unsuccessful. A corner looks to be turned after wins at Accies and then our best performance of the season against Celtic, but it's something of a flash in a pan. He then presides over us throwing away a very good home derby record (you can thank Stubbs for that), and we go down limply at Motherwell too. He's clearly not looking remotely likely of turning it around and we are now in 8th. He's also slating players in public and (quite probably) in private too. This would usually be fine, but when it's coming from a man who almost never took any blame for himself in his time here, it wears a bit thin. I'd give this a 3 out of 10, overall.

See how I've taken the exact same version of events and spun it another way? That's why you can't just dogmatically go "but sadtom's post". Not everything that's written above is going to be 100% correct, a lot is my subjective opinion, but there'll be a fair number of Hibs fans who largely agree with it. Not out of some hatred of Lennon, but because they also were at the same games and saw the same thing I did. Lennon's time overall was about par for the course of what I'd expect in a Hibs manager, but sandwiched in the middle was an exceptional six months that has, in my opinion, clouded a lot of people's judgment on this. His defenders are trying to lump in his first (and pretty average) 18 months as Hibs manager with the brilliant second half of 2017/18, but it just isn't the case.

We won the league, best European run in 30 years or something, reached two semi finals all which saw the beginning of this season result in the most season tickets sold in decades. You’re entitled to your opinions and they are very clear but I would most definitely rate his tenure as manager a lot higher than ‘average’

[HibeeHibernian4]

The record points total

Debunked here: http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?337006-Lennon-gone/page43&p=5684905#post5684905


best euro run in 30 years

The fact that winning two ties is as our best euro run in 30 years speaks volumes of how bad we've been in Europe, rather than how good Lennon was. He also could've beaten Brondby, but got caught napping by their kick off tactic and we were a goal down in 15 seconds.


biggest home attendance for 50 years, record season ticket sales

Most of this is down to the work of one Alan Stubbs and his winning of a certain cup, not Neil Lennon.


our 2nd biggest transfer fee gained

...who Stubbs signed and had playing brilliantly before had Lennon even set foot in Easter Road?


best ever results against the weegies

Absolutely no idea how you'd go about qualifying this. He faced off against them far less than almost any other Hibs manager, so by that virtue yes he did lose fewer times against them.


And most importantly his personal points to games ratio makes him the 4th (arguably the 3rd) most successful manager in our history

Which includes a season in the Championship that only 5 of 30 of his predecessors had (Stubbs, McLeish, Auld, Ormond and Templeton).

[bigwheel]

This thread is turning out to be one of the unintentional funniest threads on here for a long time

post are at parody levels of bias - brilliant !!

From the amount of people who have moved on about him yet still Posting on it

To the children’s playground level of lack of balance in posts and replies ..making me laugh out loud !

Hope it keeps going all season - comedy gold

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[calumhibee1]

Re The bit in bold: This is what I have touched upon in other posts. It's hard not to see vindictiveness and hatred as the prime motivator behind some of the posts referencing Neil Lennon.

For the vast majority of posters it’s hard to see anything close to “hatred” of NL on Hibs.net. You do realise thinking his course had ran doesn’t mean you hate him, don’t you?

[JimBHibees]

Neil Lennon has gone. I'll remember him as the manager who got us promoted back to the premiership and that's enough to remember him as being a success, you cant ask any more than a manager delivering what he was hired to do in the first instance ….. He did have a mountain of pressure on him because he would have been as aware as anybody what a disaster a 4th season in the championship would have been for Hibs, from that point of view his experience at Celtic would have been invaluable … more than anything at the time that's why I thought he was a good appointment.

But as his time drew to a close I for one never saw any indication of him being on the verge of taking us to another level or even signs that he could in the future … whether that would have changed is open to debate, but that's all it is a debate because nobody will ever really know. From that point of view I just don't get the absolute wailing and gnashing of teeth that his departure has caused a section of our support. He never once took the club to a place it wouldn't reasonably have been expected to go under a different manager, a 4th place finish and two semi finals is decent, but its hardly Alex Fergusonesque, especially with the squad he had.

The way I judge a manager is how he reacts when the chips are down, both in his ability to use a depleted squad and how he man manages his players … in both aspects Neil Lennon wasn't exactly setting the heather on fire, as the season wore on to me he looked more and more like a guy who was running out of ideas and getting more and more exasperated by the fact.

Was he a bad manager ….. no ….. was he a decent manager …. yes ….. was he the guy who was going to in the fullness of time turn Hibs into a club realising its potential to the fullest …. there is little evidence that he was, at least not in any way enough to make his loss a disaster.

Great post agree with it all an oasis of a post in an otherwise landscape of merde on this thread. :greengrin

[southern hibby]

I’m in 2 minds here about NL.

First up, he had us going to Glasgow with the belief we’d win, and that alone speaks volumes about how we felt. Europe too was amazing.

second up, in 2 and a half years I didn’t see any improvements in throw ins. This for me is basics that needed addressed when he arrived and never was. For a man who comes as head coach and with a rep of being a winner this alone is a terrible stat.

I did notice against Dundee that there was a vast improvement on movement at throw ins, coincidence or has this been worked on? We’ll find out over the next few weeks.

i wish NL all the best for the future and hope he finds a gig soon that he enjoys as the game is definitely more colourful with characters like him in it.

GGTTH

[Captain Trips]

A fantastic post and worthy retort to those anti Neil-Lennon posters who are determined not to give a truly "Successful" Hibs manager any credit or afford him even a modicum of respect for what he did for our club.

Re The bit in bold: This is what I have touched upon in other posts. It's hard not to see vindictiveness and hatred as the prime motivator behind some of the posts referencing Neil Lennon.

So you and sadtom can disrespect Paul Heckingbottom by agreeing his tenure will not be much more more than "biege" mediocre? Or are you just all going to continue on this what i think is toe curling stuff from you both on "motives" etc etc. How about we just thought towards the end it wasnt good, how about that? Please tell me how sadtom and you agreeing with his post is not showing Paul Heckingbottom disrespect? I am interested to hear what utter guff you's spin on this.

We can all argue here about NL as was at the club for 2 and a half seasons and we all have an opinion but to be making remarks about our current manager whom has been here for 2 games and you are already stating an opinion based on nothing that he wont be doing that well you and sadtom are showing probably the biggest amount of disrespect on here. unless "biege" is the new black of course. To suggest I have not given him credit over the years is nonsense he has had far more credit than criticism. You both have an absolute cheek to call out anyone over Lennon. Disgrceful stuff on Heckingbottom what are your "motives" for such a poor opinion of him so early?

I think the only people with motives are "your type" as you seem to have no ability to at all to show any form of balance.

[staunchhibby]

This obsession with Neil Lennon continues to drag on.He has moved on and we should be supporting our new management.Not dwelling on the past.We had some good times under Neil and some not so good.

[Captain Trips]

]A fantastic post and worthy retort to those anti Neil-Lennon posters who are determined not to give a truly "Successful" Hibs manager any credit or afford him even a modicum of respect for what he did for our club.

Re The bit in bold: This is what I have touched upon in other posts. It's hard not to see vindictiveness and hatred as the prime motivator behind some of the posts referencing Neil Lennon.

[/B]

Quite possibly the most ridiculous amount of utter nonsense I have seen on here for quite some time. Completlely lacking in any form of fact taking criticism of Lennon as hate and going to the worst case scneario for anyone who "YOU" think hasnt shown him respect. So "I" know how "I" feel about Neil Lennon "YOU" dont know how "I" feel. So here are the actual facts not made up "hate" etc. I like Neil lennon think he was a good manager for us did well said 100x this but at the end it was going wrong and i am not bothered he has now gone. No "hate" no "motives". I really think some of the stuff you have spouted is utter nonsense on folk. You have no idea what folk think.

I think you should be ashamed of that post. I do not give a toss what you think of Lennon or how you think I rate him. But when it reaches remarks like you have written then that for me is the issue.

[My_Wife_Camille]

Debunked here: http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?337006-Lennon-gone/page43&p=5684905#post5684905



The fact that winning two ties is as our best euro run in 30 years speaks volumes of how bad we've been in Europe, rather than how good Lennon was. He also could've beaten Brondby, but got caught napping by their kick off tactic and we were a goal down in 15 seconds.



Most of this is down to the work of one Alan Stubbs and his winning of a certain cup, not Neil Lennon.



...who Stubbs signed and had playing brilliantly before had Lennon even set foot in Easter Road?



Absolutely no idea how you'd go about qualifying this. He faced off against them far less than almost any other Hibs manager, so by that virtue yes he did lose fewer times against them.



Which includes a season in the Championship that only 5 of 30 of his predecessors had (Stubbs, McLeish, Auld, Ormond and Templeton).
I also think it’s fair to mention that the best European run in 30 years is a bit distorted given that the Dnipro and AEK games under Mowbray and McLeish were both at more advanced stages than we reached this season and the Maribor game under Yogi was the exact same stage.

[BILLYHIBS]

Season 1 - the definition of underwhelming, knocked out by Queen of the South in the League Cup having had a bye into the Second Round. Finished with a point more than Stubbs managed in two much, much harder leagues. Very difficult to watch in many games, any 'challengers' for the title fell away of their own accord. Beat Bonnyrigg, Ayr and Ian Cathro's Hearts to reach a Semi Final, sets us up terribly and we're 2-0 down in half an hour. Damage effectively done by then, despite a valiant comeback, ran out of steam in the final 15. People say "the job was done", and they're right. But to compare it to what Stubbs had to contend with in the Championship is laughable, even before you take into consideration that Stubbs had us in two domestic cup finals and fighting on all three fronts until February. We won the league, not nearly as convincingly as we should've given our budget and the supposed calibre of Lennon, but it was won all the same. I'd give the season a 6.5 out of 10, overall.

Season 2 - a good August and acceptable September followed by a bad October and November. Out-thought by Tommy Wright yet again. Stokes looking disinterested and playing an attacking midfielder role that absolutely nobody wants him to play. We scrape past the bottom sides and draw with the others, before getting completely destroyed by Aberdeen at Pittodrie. I'd give this part a 5.5 out of 10, overall.

Season 2.5 - so good that I have to put it in its own season. Absolutely fantastic football, great results and buckets of entertainment. If this was Lennon's only six months at Hibs, I'd see what the lionising is all about. Makes three of his best signings in this window in the form of Maclaren, Kamberi and Allan too. Only Marciano and Ambrose top them (in my opinion). Beat Hearts, beat Celtic, beat Rangers, beat Aberdeen, beat Killie. Fantastic. Ends on a sour note with the Tynecastle defeat and he throws his toys out of the pram a little, but overall a fantastic 6 months that nobody could ever take away from him. I'd give this part a 9 out of 10, overall.

Season 3 - a slightly ropey start in Europe against the Faroes, but we make it through unscathed and that's all that matters. Set up very poorly against the Greeks and David Gray (who Lennon goes on to repeatedly ignore in this season) helps turn it around into a 3-2 win. A great win and a solid performance out in Greece to see us through. McGinn leaves, the last of the midfield trio. This is very harsh on Lennon, but it's a sad reality of a club like Hibs, the good players will leave if they play too well too regularly. We go out against Molde, he brings Maclaren on in the home leg with about a minute left when we so clearly need to take a lead out to Norway. Ah well, we go out. A very respectable run in the Europa League and well done to Lennon for that. Although, his absence from the dugout coincided with our best results (only half kidding there). We arrive at the first international break with 5 points from 12, that isn't good enough. We then beat a Kilmarnock side who haven't begun to hit their peak in this season, but it's still a great result all the same. Wins follow against the bottom three and suddenly we're up to second. And then you know the rest, a complete downwards spiral that is brought on by a mix of things, some Lennon's fault, some not (particularly injuries). Lennon starts to look unaware of what his best team is, or how to set them out. We keep playing 3 at the back, it's highly unsuccessful. A corner looks to be turned after wins at Accies and then our best performance of the season against Celtic, but it's something of a flash in a pan. He then presides over us throwing away a very good home derby record (you can thank Stubbs for that), and we go down limply at Motherwell too. He's clearly not looking remotely likely of turning it around and we are now in 8th. He's also slating players in public and (quite probably) in private too. This would usually be fine, but when it's coming from a man who almost never took any blame for himself in his time here, it wears a bit thin. I'd give this a 3 out of 10, overall.

See how I've taken the exact same version of events and spun it another way? That's why you can't just dogmatically go "but sadtom's post". Not everything that's written above is going to be 100% correct, a lot is my subjective opinion, but there'll be a fair number of Hibs fans who largely agree with it. Not out of some hatred of Lennon, but because they also were at the same games and saw the same thing I did. Lennon's time overall was about par for the course of what I'd expect in a Hibs manager, but sandwiched in the middle was an exceptional six months that has, in my opinion, clouded a lot of people's judgment on this. His defenders are trying to lump in his first (and pretty average) 18 months as Hibs manager with the brilliant second half of 2017/18, but it just isn't the case.
:top marks

Brilliant!

Add to that his overall record
Played 123 Won 59 drawn 38 Lost 26

Average at best

Agree a brilliant season 2.5 some brilliant exciting attacking football

Every HIBS fan will be forever grateful for a tremendous roller coaster ride that took our season right up to the very last kick of the ball where we almost finished second launching the famous “aeroplane “

Sadly our inability to beat/draw with Hearts in that last Derby proved to be our downfall a result that would haunt Neil Lennon

[Bangkok Hibby]

He's a dick! :greengrin Always has been and probably cannae change. But for a short while he was our dick. He brought exciting attacking football, optimism, fun, no fear of impending games against the ugly sisters and gave the club a higher profile than we've had for a long time. His love/respect/admiration at Hibs speaks wonders for the vagaries of fans. Let's be honest we all hated him at Celtic. :agree::greengrin

I think he's a nice guy and wish him all the best. I'm not sure how easily he'll get another shot at management after whatever happened at Hibs though. Maybe a job abroad is next for him.

[Famous Fiver]

Huge amounts of comment.

My opinion?

Lennon has gone, Heckingbottom is the future.

I'm looking forward, not back.

[Hibbyradge]

Grief ? :greengrin

I think the fact I seem to unintentionally provoke yous like a pack of hiyena's shows that the problem with regards to moving on is on your side.

Ps I don't love him.

If you're provoking people, it's you that's not moved on.

You're grieving his departure and you won't hear a word against him. It's quite touching.

I said earlier that he failed. I was being harsh.

He had a mediocre spell, a very good spell, and a poor spell.

He got us into Europe, but then so did Yogi.

Overall, he wasn't a resounding success, but he gets pass marks from me.

[The Modfather]

If there was more balance and objectivity the Lennon threads would be almost readable. His tenure wasn’t average and there’s no need to downplay it, while neither is the need to overplay what he did achieve.

For me it’s as simple as:

PRO’S

• Won the championship
• Got us into Europe
• The second half of last season was exceptional, a real joy to watch
• Improved & took the likes of McGinn, Stevenson, Hanlon etc to their best level yet as Hibs players
* Record against the Old Firm

CON’S

• Championship sesson was turgid to watch
* Record at Tynecastle, against Aberdeen & St Johnstone
• Signings were poor overall and in the main short term
* Treatement of Kamberi and increasingly bizarre behaviour
* How little he was able to get out of his own squad once the mainstays Stubbs signed moved on and the rebuilding job he left the new manager

[Hibbyradge]

Re The bit in bold: This is what I have touched upon in other posts. It's hard not to see vindictiveness and hatred as the prime motivator behind some of the posts referencing Neil Lennon.

That's as stupid as it is inflammatory.

You're just attention seeking now. :bitchy:

[pacoluna]

So you and sadtom can disrespect Paul Heckingbottom by agreeing his tenure will not be much more more than "biege" mediocre? Or are you just all going to continue on this what i think is toe curling stuff from you both on "motives" etc etc. How about we just thought towards the end it wasnt good, how about that? Please tell me how sadtom and you agreeing with his post is not showing Paul Heckingbottom disrespect? I am interested to hear what utter guff you's spin on this.

We can all argue here about NL as was at the club for 2 and a half seasons and we all have an opinion but to be making remarks about our current manager whom has been here for 2 games and you are already stating an opinion based on nothing that he wont be doing that well you and sadtom are showing probably the biggest amount of disrespect on here. unless "biege" is the new black of course. To suggest I have not given him credit over the years is nonsense he has had far more credit than criticism. You both have an absolute cheek to call out anyone over Lennon. Disgrceful stuff on Heckingbottom what are your "motives" for such a poor opinion of him so early?

I think the only people with motives are "your type" as you seem to have no ability to at all to show any form of balance.

My reference to sadtoms post was about Lennon and his record not his opinion regarding heckingbottom.

I like heckingbottom, as do we all.. we are winning games.

The whole thread lacks balance, that's fine. I respect that it wasn't all glorious however Im a simple man and base my opinion on meeting objectives. Promotion - tick European football - tick amongst others.

I'm not big on whataboutery, which consumes a big proportion of the replies I get.

[Hibbyradge]

My reference to sadtoms post was about Lennon and his record not his opinion regarding heckingbottom.

I like heckingbottom, as do we all.. we are winning games.

The whole thread lacks balance, that's fine. I respect that it wasn't all glorious however Im a simple man and base my opinion on meeting objectives. Promotion - tick European football - tick amongst others.

I'm not big on whataboutery, which consumes a big proportion of the replies I get.

Your last line is a better.

What you refer to as "whataboutery" is people pointing out the areas in which Lennon didn't succeed. That's the balance you think is missing.

If your sole measure of success is so limited, then fair enough. Lennon was marvellous.

If your measure of success is the ability to bring in a new coaching regime, then Cathro was a success at hearts.

Lennon did some good things, some ordinary things and some poor things.

If that's "whataboutery" then what about it?

[Lago]

This obsession with Neil Lennon continues to drag on.He has moved on and we should be supporting our new management.Not dwelling on the past.We had some good times under Neil and some not so good.

Well put, for what it's worth I think Neil was reasonably happy to leave when he did, I just got the impression that he has lost interest in Hibs at the end.

[pacoluna]

Your last line is a better.

What you refer to as "whataboutery" is people pointing out the areas in which Lennon didn't succeed. That's the balance you think is missing.

If your sole measure of success is so limited, then fair enough. Lennon was marvellous.

If your measure of success is the ability to bring in a new coaching regime, then Cathro was a success at hearts.

Lennon did some good things, some ordinary things and some poor things.

If that's "whataboutery" then what about it?

My measure of success is meeting objectives regardless of how we get there.

My point which I will continue to make is regardless of opinion, which I respec... his tenure cannot realistically be deemed as only average.

[Hibiza]

Im off for a pint :flag:

[Lago]

Im off for a pint :flag:
Good idea, think I will too, pity some others didn't do the same & give us a bit of peace 😐

[BILLYHIBS]

Well put, for what it's worth I think Neil was reasonably happy to leave when he did, I just got the impression that he has lost interest in Hibs at the end.

Agree

It was like Lenny and Garry Parker were working their ticket with their “ Good Cop Bad Cop” routine or was it “ Bad Cop Bad Cop”?

Im away for a pint as well

[HoboHarry]

It's only 6:19am here but I'll go for a pint if others are......

[Hi Heid Yin]

So you and sadtom can disrespect Paul Heckingbottom by agreeing his tenure will not be much more more than "biege" mediocre? Or are you just all going to continue on this what i think is toe curling stuff from you both on "motives" etc etc. How about we just thought towards the end it wasnt good, how about that? Please tell me how sadtom and you agreeing with his post is not showing Paul Heckingbottom disrespect? I am interested to hear what utter guff you's spin on this.

We can all argue here about NL as was at the club for 2 and a half seasons and we all have an opinion but to be making remarks about our current manager whom has been here for 2 games and you are already stating an opinion based on nothing that he wont be doing that well you and sadtom are showing probably the biggest amount of disrespect on here. unless "biege" is the new black of course. To suggest I have not given him credit over the years is nonsense he has had far more credit than criticism. You both have an absolute cheek to call out anyone over Lennon. Disgrceful stuff on Heckingbottom what are your "motives" for such a poor opinion of him so early?

I think the only people with motives are "your type" as you seem to have no ability to at all to show any form of balance.



All due respect, but you are so determined to push your agenda that you are now seeing things that don't exist:

Show me the post (in this thread) where I have referred to Hecking bottom at any point.

I would suggest that in your drive to " berate a successful manager" you have become agitated to the point of confusing me with another poster.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

This thread is mental! 😜

[eastmainsmsh]

David Hopkin resigns from Bradford City Decent job for Lennon and Shane McGowan

[CapitalGreen]

All due respect, but you are so determined to push your agenda that you are now seeing things that don't exist:

Show me the post (in this thread) where I have referred to Hecking bottom at any point.

I would suggest that in your drive to " berate a successful manager" you have become agitated to the point of confusing me with another poster.

Are you seriously suggesting people have an agenda because they are critiquing aspects of Lennon's tenure at Hibs?

[Captain Trips]

All due respect, but you are so determined to push your agenda that you are now seeing things that don't exist:

Show me the post (in this thread) where I have referred to Hecking bottom at any point.

I would suggest that in your drive to " berate a successful manager" you have become agitated to the point of confusing me with another poster.

I'm not berating him, that's in your head. I have no agenda with Lennon. I do though with posters suggesting people hate him etc.

[Captain Trips]

My reference to sadtoms post was about Lennon and his record not his opinion regarding heckingbottom.

I like heckingbottom, as do we all.. we are winning games.

The whole thread lacks balance, that's fine. I respect that it wasn't all glorious however Im a simple man and base my opinion on meeting objectives. Promotion - tick European football - tick amongst others.

I'm not big on whataboutery, which consumes a big proportion of the replies I get.

You have reffered me to Sadtoms post on several occasions I will ask again why is what he said not disrespectful to Heckingbottom?

[calumhibee1]

Seeing as we’re throwing contextless stats around can I just point out that Lennon’s “beige” replacement has a 100% win record, a 3 PPG average and a 3 goals per game average aswell making him our best ever manager and knocking Lennon down a place in the list and also justifying us getting a new man in :agree:

[BILLYHIBS]

Seeing as we’re throwing contextless stats around can I just point out that Lennon’s “beige” replacement has a 100% win record, a 3 PPG average and a 3 goals per game average aswell making him our best ever manager and knocking Lennon down a place in the list and also justifying us getting a new man in :agree:

Grrrrrr!

Starting to hate him already!

:grr::brickwall

[calumhibee1]

Grrrrrr!

Starting to hate him already!

:grr::brickwall

Likewise. Alot of people will already have a real hatred and vendetta against him after these two wins :agree:

[pacoluna]

Likewise. Alot of people will already have a real hatred and vendetta against him after these two wins :agree:

Who?

[calumhibee1]

Who?

The same people that have a hatred of/vendetta against Lennon... nobody.

[Captain Trips]

Who?

I await your response as you are unhappy with people perhaps not showing Lennon in your opinion enough respect yet you have not said anything to poster(s) who are showing our current manager Paul Heckingbottom no respect. Surely the concern should be for the current person in the job first and foremost. Or do you just have no integrity and will ignore the lack of respect given to our manager over the poster saying lots of other stuff you like?

[Captain Trips]

All due respect, but you are so determined to push your agenda that you are now seeing things that don't exist:

Show me the post (in this thread) where I have referred to Hecking bottom at any point.

I would suggest that in your drive to " berate a successful manager" you have become agitated to the point of confusing me with another poster.

So you feel people are not giving Lennon credit or lack of respect yad yada. Are you as focused on our current manager not getting respect and asking anyone who has shown Paul little respect why thay are doing so? Surely our current manager being disrespected has to be priority?

[pacoluna]

I await your response as you are unhappy with people perhaps not showing Lennon in your opinion enough respect yet you have not said anything to poster(s) who are showing our current manager Paul Heckingbottom no respect. Surely the concern should be for the current person in the job first and foremost. Or do you just have no integrity and will ignore the lack of respect given to our manager over the poster saying lots of other stuff you like?

You need to gain respect in my opinion, so far so good I'll judge him after his tenure however based no objectives met.

[Captain Trips]

You need to gain respect in my opinion, so far so good I'll judge him after his tenure however.

You do need to perhaps gain it but when the starting point is given as "biege" then that is already showing no respect for him and already judging him so completly disrespctful then, which is far worse than doing that to a manager who had been here a while. You know its disrespectful and you just cannot bring yourself round to saying anything to that poster like you have to all of us because they agreed with a lot of your lennon stuff. Zero integrirty.

Gunning for anyone over Lennon but not bothering a jot about Heckingbottom. Your opinion on Heckingbottom is irrelevant just like it is with Lennon. You have an issue with other people opinions on him so you should feel the same about other peoples opinions on Heckingbottom. I would certainly suggest that your tea is oot.

[Stevie Reid]

I loved Lennon and was sorry when he left, but I'm now very excited about the future under PH. The best description of heard of Lennon's time was by LD who said that he was good for Hibs and we were good for him. There was also a very good opening line to the the Sunday Times interview yesterday, written by Douglas Alexander, where - as always - he NL spoke very well, and very respectfully about us:

"If the mark a manager leaves on a club is gauged by the number of memorable days he delivers for its fans, then Neil Lennon’s legacy at Hibs will take a lot of living up to."

I would agree with this completely. One of my mates that I go to the games with said before the Rangers game at ER on the last day of last season that he was devastated the season was finishing, because we had never looked forward to attending games that much for years - possibly ever. There's been dozens of seasons that we couldn't wait to get to the end of, so this was a lovely feeling. There were many great days, nights, performances and results under Lennon. It was a hugely exciting time, overall.

I can still be objective about him, and towards the end things definitely weren't right. My preference still would have been for him to see out the season, but he's gone now, and I'm delighted PH and RS are now at the helm. A buzz is back that has been gone since last October.

Just a couple of points about him that I want to address, as they're the ones that piss me off the most. Firstly, talk of the Championship season being underwhelming, some posters even claiming that we struggled - to the first point I say 'who cares?' and to the second, 'total bollocks'. Winning the Championship was a means to an end, no more than that - after three seasons down there, I just wanted out, and really didn't care how it came about. There was never going to be any glory in winning it anyway, certainly not after winning the SC the season before.

It took us until the 4th game to go top (even though we won all of them) - from that point on we were top of the league all the way, apart from one week in late December when we went two points behind Dundee Utd. Two games later we were four points clear, and no one got within six points of us for the rest of the season. The lead was nine points when we beat QOS to get an unassailable lead of 11 points after 33 games, and we ended up maintaining that lead at the end of the season.

It wasn't exciting but it certainly wasn't a struggle - nowhere near it. Winning the league by 11 points can never be described as anything less than comfortable. So what if we didn't win it as spectacularly as Hearts or Rangers before, or St. Mirren after us? All that mattered was getting out, and what we did the following season - and what a season that was. Incidentally, people always bang on about the fact that we won the league without Hearts and Rangers in it, but winning points from those two was never a problem - it was the results against all the other sides that held us back for two years, and we did enough that third season, which is all we had to do. Let's also not forget that it was a season that saw us reach the Scottish Cup semi and have a great game against Aberdeen, after knocking Hearts out AGAIN, by destroying them at ER. There was plenty glory in that. The away win in Brondby was excellent as well.

Next, the idea that somehow the first half of last season was average, or below par - utter nonsense. Yes there were a lot of draws, but we went into the January window in 4th place, where we finished, and with a points per game average that had us on track for 60 points. We also had a win at Ibrox, a win at home against Hearts, and two 2-2 draws against Celtic, where both times we came closer than anyone to ending that amazing unbeaten run that they were on. There was the small matter of getting to the League Cup semi final as well. By the time the window came around, our overall record for the season was P 29 W 14 D 9 L 6 – we had scored 54 goals, and had conceded 30. Just because we had an exceptional second half of the season, it doesn’t mean that what went before it wasn’t good. Anyone who referred to it as average or poor can’t know that much about Hibs’ SPL history.

It was the number of draws that prevented Lennon’s era being defined as a great one – the number of losses in the SPL were very small, 14 from 60 games, 23%. Even his last defeat in this disappointing (so far) season was only the 7th from 22 games. There were 21 draws from those 60 (35%), which of course leaves a very healthy 42% win ratio, which is fantastic given how competitive the league has been since we returned. On that note, whilst for many people the fact that we were in 8th is all that seems to come up when his name is mentioned, and there is no denying that being in that position was very disappointing – though for some perspective, we were 8th with 29 points after 22 games, the previous season Hearts were in 5th with 30 points after 22 games. Motherwell in 8th had 24. In 2017 Partick Thistle finished in 6th place with just 42 points and ten wins all season.

Whilst the final weeks were definitely worrying, and the much stated 2 wins from 14 wasn’t great, I do think that for many the knives were out for Lennon long before it got to that stage. I found it very bizarre that the amazing highs and great overall record didn’t cut him more slack with some people – I was even more amazed when many started to reappraise his whole time in charge as a disappointment, apart from the second half of last season. I was really surprised when I looked back at the second half of Mowbray’s second full season with us – after 14 games we were W 10 D 1 L 3, and incredible start. For the final 24 we were W 7 D 4 L 13 For the final ten league games we were W 2 D 2 L 6, including losing the last three in a row. If you want to go for a similar number of games that Lennon’s bad period was, our final 14 games of that season were W 3 D 3 L 8 – that includes that semi against Hearts which we lost 4-0, the third time that season we had conceded four in a defeat to Hearts.

Now on paper that looks really bad, but of course that same season we also beat Hearts twice at home - including the unbeatable derby – beat Rangers three times, including 3-0 at Ibrox twice, and beat Livi 7-0 at ER. All of these things obviously worked in Mogga’s favour when that bad run came around, because I certainly can’t remember anyone seriously agitating about his position. He lost 33 of 85 SPL games, a 39% loss ratio – when we finished 4th in 2006, we lost 16 league games, only three less than when we were relegated in 2014. We just hardly ever drew under Mowbray, hence the high league finishes. So the lack of draws helped TM, whilst too many stifled Lennon – and TM’s big results seemed to give him a lot of leeway, whilst Lennon’s big results, of which there were many, didn’t cut him the same kind of slack. Maybe just a sign of the instant grat times we are in.

Anyway, I’m sure people are sick to death of reading about Lennon – and if you weren’t before, you probably are now that I’ve bored the arse of you. I just find it interesting that Lennon was cut a lot less slack than others have been in the past - those memorable games seemed to be forgotten very quickly by many on here.

Apologies for such a long post.

[Stonewall]

I’m in the pub and no-one else is here. What’s going on?

[pacoluna]

You do need to perhaps gain it but when the starting point is given as "biege" then that is already showing no respect for him and already judging him so completly disrespctful then, which is far worse than doing that to a manager who had been here a while. You know its disrespectful and you just cannot bring yourself round to saying anything to that poster like you have to all of us because they agreed with a lot of your lennon stuff. Zero integrirty.

Gunning for anyone over Lennon but not bothering a jot about Heckingbottom. Your opinion on Heckingbottom is irrelevant just like it is with Lennon. You have an issue with other people opinions on him so you should feel the same about other peoples opinions on Heckingbottom. I would certainly suggest that your tea is oot.

I've already stated that I referred to his comment with regards to the facts he outlined about Lennon, not his comment on heckingbottom.

I can't possiblly pass judgement on someone's opinion about our current manager when the reality is he is only been in job for two secs. Perhaps it is disrespectful?

I've never criticized anyone's opinion, all I have done and will continue to do is state a fact - Lennon's tenure cannot be regarded as average, whataboutery is fine and is good for a forum but it can't and never will never distort facts.

[HoboHarry]

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[Moulin Yarns]

I’m in the pub and no-one else is here. What’s going on?

They are all bitter and twisted individuals 😉

[silverhibee]

This thread is mental! 😜

Have a pint or 10

[cabbageandribs1875]

:top marks

Brilliant!

Add to that his overall record
Played 123 Won 59 drawn 38 Lost 26

Average at best

Agree a brilliant season 2.5 some brilliant exciting attacking football

Every HIBS fan will be forever grateful for a tremendous roller coaster ride that took our season right up to the very last kick of the ball where we almost finished second launching the famous “aeroplane “

Sadly our inability to beat/draw with Hearts in that last Derby proved to be our downfall a result that would haunt Neil Lennon


WTF..you think a hibs manager with a near 50% win ratio is average :rolleyes: let's hope for lots more 'Averages' in the future eh, 26 losses in 123 games, what a poor record that is

[Hibernia&Alba]

I loved Lennon and was sorry when he left, but I'm now very excited about the future under PH. The best description of heard of Lennon's time was by LD who said that he was good for Hibs and we were good for him. There was also a very good opening line to the the Sunday Times interview yesterday, written by Douglas Alexander, where - as always - he NL spoke very well, and very respectfully about us:

"If the mark a manager leaves on a club is gauged by the number of memorable days he delivers for its fans, then Neil Lennon’s legacy at Hibs will take a lot of living up to."

I would agree with this completely. One of my mates that I go to the games with said before the Rangers game at ER on the last day of last season that he was devastated the season was finishing, because we had never looked forward to attending games that much for years - possibly ever. There's been dozens of seasons that we couldn't wait to get to the end of, so this was a lovely feeling. There were many great days, nights, performances and results under Lennon. It was a hugely exciting time, overall.

I can still be objective about him, and towards the end things definitely weren't right. My preference still would have been for him to see out the season, but he's gone now, and I'm delighted PH and RS are now at the helm. A buzz is back that has been gone since last October.

Just a couple of points about him that I want to address, as they're the ones that piss me off the most. Firstly, talk of the Championship season being underwhelming, some posters even claiming that we struggled - to the first point I say 'who cares?' and to the second, 'total bollocks'. Winning the Championship was a means to an end, no more than that - after three seasons down there, I just wanted out, and really didn't care how it came about. There was never going to be any glory in winning it anyway, certainly not after winning the SC the season before.

It took us until the 4th game to go top (even though we won all of them) - from that point on we were top of the league all the way, apart from one week in late December when we went two points behind Dundee Utd. Two games later we were four points clear, and no one got within six points of us for the rest of the season. The lead was nine points when we beat QOS to get an unassailable lead of 11 points after 33 games, and we ended up maintaining that lead at the end of the season.

It wasn't exciting but it certainly wasn't a struggle - nowhere near it. Winning the league by 11 points can never be described as anything less than comfortable. So what if we didn't win it as spectacularly as Hearts or Rangers before, or St. Mirren after us? All that mattered was getting out, and what we did the following season - and what a season that was. Incidentally, people always bang on about the fact that we won the league without Hearts and Rangers in it, but winning points from those two was never a problem - it was the results against all the other sides that held us back for two years, and we did enough that third season, which is all we had to do. Let's also not forget that it was a season that saw us reach the Scottish Cup semi and have a great game against Aberdeen, after knocking Hearts out AGAIN, by destroying them at ER. There was plenty glory in that. The away win in Brondby was excellent as well.

Next, the idea that somehow the first half of last season was average, or below par - utter nonsense. Yes there were a lot of draws, but we went into the January window in 4th place, where we finished, and with a points per game average that had us on track for 60 points. We also had a win at Ibrox, a win at home against Hearts, and two 2-2 draws against Celtic, where both times we came closer than anyone to ending that amazing unbeaten run that they were on. There was the small matter of getting to the League Cup semi final as well. By the time the window came around, our overall record for the season was P 29 W 14 D 9 L 6 – we had scored 54 goals, and had conceded 30. Just because we had an exceptional second half of the season, it doesn’t mean that what went before it wasn’t good. Anyone who referred to it as average or poor can’t know that much about Hibs’ SPL history.

It was the number of draws that prevented Lennon’s era being defined as a great one – the number of losses in the SPL were very small, 14 from 60 games, 23%. Even his last defeat in this disappointing (so far) season was only the 7th from 22 games. There were 21 draws from those 60 (35%), which of course leaves a very healthy 42% win ratio, which is fantastic given how competitive the league has been since we returned. On that note, whilst for many people the fact that we were in 8th is all that seems to come up when his name is mentioned, and there is no denying that being in that position was very disappointing – though for some perspective, we were 8th with 29 points after 22 games, the previous season Hearts were in 5th with 30 points after 22 games. Motherwell in 8th had 24. In 2017 Partick Thistle finished in 6th place with just 42 points and ten wins all season.

Whilst the final weeks were definitely worrying, and the much stated 2 wins from 14 wasn’t great, I do think that for many the knives were out for Lennon long before it got to that stage. I found it very bizarre that the amazing highs and great overall record didn’t cut him more slack with some people – I was even more amazed when many started to reappraise his whole time in charge as a disappointment, apart from the second half of last season. I was really surprised when I looked back at the second half of Mowbray’s second full season with us – after 14 games we were W 10 D 1 L 3, and incredible start. For the final 24 we were W 7 D 4 L 13 For the final ten league games we were W 2 D 2 L 6, including losing the last three in a row. If you want to go for a similar number of games that Lennon’s bad period was, our final 14 games of that season were W 3 D 3 L 8 – that includes that semi against Hearts which we lost 4-0, the third time that season we had conceded four in a defeat to Hearts.

Now on paper that looks really bad, but of course that same season we also beat Hearts twice at home - including the unbeatable derby – beat Rangers three times, including 3-0 at Ibrox twice, and beat Livi 7-0 at ER. All of these things obviously worked in Mogga’s favour when that bad run came around, because I certainly can’t remember anyone seriously agitating about his position. He lost 33 of 85 SPL games, a 39% loss ratio – when we finished 4th in 2006, we lost 16 league games, only three less than when we were relegated in 2014. We just hardly ever drew under Mowbray, hence the high league finishes. So the lack of draws helped TM, whilst too many stifled Lennon – and TM’s big results seemed to give him a lot of leeway, whilst Lennon’s big results, of which there were many, didn’t cut him the same kind of slack. Maybe just a sign of the instant grat times we are in.

Anyway, I’m sure people are sick to death of reading about Lennon – and if you weren’t before, you probably are now that I’ve bored the arse of you. I just find it interesting that Lennon was cut a lot less slack than others have been in the past - those memorable games seemed to be forgotten very quickly by many on here.

Apologies for such a long post.

:top marks

Reasonable and balanced post which makes an even-handed analysis, Stevie. I agree with much of what you're saying here. I enjoyed Lennon's tenure overall; it's a shame it ended on an anti-climax, but that's often the case with managers. He got us promoted and then a fourth pace finish, which represents great progress, and there were some superb performances and results along the way. Now it's over and we move on, but I will always remember his time at Hibs fondly.

[ian cruise]

I’m in the pub and no-one else is here. What’s going on?

Did you go to the MK Dons vs Wimbledon game by mistake?

[BILLYHIBS]

I loved Lennon and was sorry when he left, but I'm now very excited about the future under PH. The best description of heard of Lennon's time was by LD who said that he was good for Hibs and we were good for him. There was also a very good opening line to the the Sunday Times interview yesterday, written by Douglas Alexander, where - as always - he NL spoke very well, and very respectfully about us:

"If the mark a manager leaves on a club is gauged by the number of memorable days he delivers for its fans, then Neil Lennon’s legacy at Hibs will take a lot of living up to."

I would agree with this completely. One of my mates that I go to the games with said before the Rangers game at ER on the last day of last season that he was devastated the season was finishing, because we had never looked forward to attending games that much for years - possibly ever. There's been dozens of seasons that we couldn't wait to get to the end of, so this was a lovely feeling. There were many great days, nights, performances and results under Lennon. It was a hugely exciting time, overall.

I can still be objective about him, and towards the end things definitely weren't right. My preference still would have been for him to see out the season, but he's gone now, and I'm delighted PH and RS are now at the helm. A buzz is back that has been gone since last October.

Just a couple of points about him that I want to address, as they're the ones that piss me off the most. Firstly, talk of the Championship season being underwhelming, some posters even claiming that we struggled - to the first point I say 'who cares?' and to the second, 'total bollocks'. Winning the Championship was a means to an end, no more than that - after three seasons down there, I just wanted out, and really didn't care how it came about. There was never going to be any glory in winning it anyway, certainly not after winning the SC the season before.

It took us until the 4th game to go top (even though we won all of them) - from that point on we were top of the league all the way, apart from one week in late December when we went two points behind Dundee Utd. Two games later we were four points clear, and no one got within six points of us for the rest of the season. The lead was nine points when we beat QOS to get an unassailable lead of 11 points after 33 games, and we ended up maintaining that lead at the end of the season.

It wasn't exciting but it certainly wasn't a struggle - nowhere near it. Winning the league by 11 points can never be described as anything less than comfortable. So what if we didn't win it as spectacularly as Hearts or Rangers before, or St. Mirren after us? All that mattered was getting out, and what we did the following season - and what a season that was. Incidentally, people always bang on about the fact that we won the league without Hearts and Rangers in it, but winning points from those two was never a problem - it was the results against all the other sides that held us back for two years, and we did enough that third season, which is all we had to do. Let's also not forget that it was a season that saw us reach the Scottish Cup semi and have a great game against Aberdeen, after knocking Hearts out AGAIN, by destroying them at ER. There was plenty glory in that. The away win in Brondby was excellent as well.

Next, the idea that somehow the first half of last season was average, or below par - utter nonsense. Yes there were a lot of draws, but we went into the January window in 4th place, where we finished, and with a points per game average that had us on track for 60 points. We also had a win at Ibrox, a win at home against Hearts, and two 2-2 draws against Celtic, where both times we came closer than anyone to ending that amazing unbeaten run that they were on. There was the small matter of getting to the League Cup semi final as well. By the time the window came around, our overall record for the season was P 29 W 14 D 9 L 6 – we had scored 54 goals, and had conceded 30. Just because we had an exceptional second half of the season, it doesn’t mean that what went before it wasn’t good. Anyone who referred to it as average or poor can’t know that much about Hibs’ SPL history.

It was the number of draws that prevented Lennon’s era being defined as a great one – the number of losses in the SPL were very small, 14 from 60 games, 23%. Even his last defeat in this disappointing (so far) season was only the 7th from 22 games. There were 21 draws from those 60 (35%), which of course leaves a very healthy 42% win ratio, which is fantastic given how competitive the league has been since we returned. On that note, whilst for many people the fact that we were in 8th is all that seems to come up when his name is mentioned, and there is no denying that being in that position was very disappointing – though for some perspective, we were 8th with 29 points after 22 games, the previous season Hearts were in 5th with 30 points after 22 games. Motherwell in 8th had 24. In 2017 Partick Thistle finished in 6th place with just 42 points and ten wins all season.

Whilst the final weeks were definitely worrying, and the much stated 2 wins from 14 wasn’t great, I do think that for many the knives were out for Lennon long before it got to that stage. I found it very bizarre that the amazing highs and great overall record didn’t cut him more slack with some people – I was even more amazed when many started to reappraise his whole time in charge as a disappointment, apart from the second half of last season. I was really surprised when I looked back at the second half of Mowbray’s second full season with us – after 14 games we were W 10 D 1 L 3, and incredible start. For the final 24 we were W 7 D 4 L 13 For the final ten league games we were W 2 D 2 L 6, including losing the last three in a row. If you want to go for a similar number of games that Lennon’s bad period was, our final 14 games of that season were W 3 D 3 L 8 – that includes that semi against Hearts which we lost 4-0, the third time that season we had conceded four in a defeat to Hearts.

Now on paper that looks really bad, but of course that same season we also beat Hearts twice at home - including the unbeatable derby – beat Rangers three times, including 3-0 at Ibrox twice, and beat Livi 7-0 at ER. All of these things obviously worked in Mogga’s favour when that bad run came around, because I certainly can’t remember anyone seriously agitating about his position. He lost 33 of 85 SPL games, a 39% loss ratio – when we finished 4th in 2006, we lost 16 league games, only three less than when we were relegated in 2014. We just hardly ever drew under Mowbray, hence the high league finishes. So the lack of draws helped TM, whilst too many stifled Lennon – and TM’s big results seemed to give him a lot of leeway, whilst Lennon’s big results, of which there were many, didn’t cut him the same kind of slack. Maybe just a sign of the instant grat times we are in.

Anyway, I’m sure people are sick to death of reading about Lennon – and if you weren’t before, you probably are now that I’ve bored the arse of you. I just find it interesting that Lennon was cut a lot less slack than others have been in the past - those memorable games seemed to be forgotten very quickly by many on here.

Apologies for such a long post.
:top marks

Great post

Brought back memories of many sleepless nights before games looking forward to seeing Turnbulls Tornadoes as a wee laddie

Tony Mowbrays Teenage Kicks “You win nothing with kids”
Brilliant but inconsistent a joy to watch ultimately giving us 2007 Leage Cup

And shouting at Lenny to get Grant Holt on the semi versus Aberdeen

Brilliant memories would not change a thing

[SJNB Hibby]

Did you go to the MK Dons vs Wimbledon game by mistake?


:top marks

[CapitalGreen]

Who?

ahahaha

[Captain Trips]

I've already stated that I referred to his comment with regards to the facts he outlined about Lennon, not his comment on heckingbottom.

I can't possiblly pass judgement on someone's opinion about our current manager when the reality is he is only been in job for two secs. Perhaps it is disrespectful?

I've never criticized anyone's opinion, all I have done and will continue to do is state a fact - Lennon's tenure cannot be regarded as average, whataboutery is fine and is good for a forum but it can't and never will never distort facts.

You have called people spiteful that critised Lennon on more than one occasion. You have not stated a fact you have stated why people have criticised Lennon in your opinion. If somebody is disrespecting our manager you should be at them like you have been over Lennon. You are not so therefore you think its fine to have a pop at our new manager after such a short time. No integrity. Why cant you pass judgement? Is it not totally unfair to be having a pop at him so early on I think its quite easy to pass judgement on that and say give the guy a chance.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Have a pint or 10

Nah, I had about a weeks worth yesterday! 🍻

[Captain Trips]

Lies. Damn lies. And statistics!

While accepting things have to move on and wishing nothing but great success to our new manager and his staff. To read some of the revisionist and downright disrespectful garbage being written about Lennon is nothing short of a disgrace and utterly cringeworthy.

NL took over at a difficult time for 2 main reasons.
1 - we had failed in our primary objective of getting promoted for 2 years. We were desperate to get back and could not afford to fail again.
2 - he was taking over from a man who had just delivered the holy grail and who will be rightly lauded by the support forever for this achievement...a hard act to follow. With a support who are prone to getting carried away at the first shoots of success.

For decades I've heard fans demanding for a leader who is not afraid to get down and dirty with the press, the other clubs, the authorities, refs etc. Who will fight our corner and not let us be a soft touch in any respect.
Equally I've heard decades of complaints that underperforming players need 'telt!' That nothing but 100% effort is required...that losing hurts and should not be tolerated. THIS is whats required to be a winner.
Look at the last 2 managers, out with the weegies, who were successful . Fergie and McLean...both were abrasive, demanding and aggressive. Difference was their clubs supporters lapped it up and got right behind their confrontational managers. We on the other hand, bless, got a bit queasy about it.
We finally get someone cut from that cloth only for people to start complaining about 'embarrassing behaviour', 'unbecoming' of our club, or 'not Hibs class' and other assorted bull$heet of that nature. It would appear as an entity we are not actually prepared to go those 'extra yards' to be successful. That it all gets a bit too much for the squeamish and sensitive souls in our support. And also from (if the stories are true) some players who don't like some home truths.

Much has been made of the 3 wins in 14 (2 in 13 in league) at the end of his tenure. Within those 14 games we lost 5. 2 unfortunate 1-0 home defeats to hertz and StJ (after 11 months unbeaten at home). A poor 1-0 defeat away to 'well. A very poor 3-0 loss away to a high flying Killie. a reasonable show in a 4-2 defeat at parkheid.
We did manage a 2-0 win against the champions, draws home and away to sevco and an away draw against hertz who were also on the crest of a wave at the time.

This all happened on the back of the man himself saying that this season would not be as successful, that there would be difficult times as we tried to rebuild after losing an entire section of the team which had proved to be as good as we'd had in decades. Did anyone listen? It would appear plenty did not.
He was still trying to find our best side, still trying to rebuild. At the same time suffering a horrendous run of injuries, as bad as I've ever seen.
Would he have turned it round? No-one will ever know, though I fancy, given support and time, he would have.

Some fact which are undisputable.
He took over after our 'highest of highs' and managed to keep us on an upward curve.

Really unlucky (after a brilliant 1-0 away win) to go out of Europe to Brondy.

For the most part played exciting AND effective football (combining the 2 had always been elusive).

Really improved and made more consistent a lot of the players who were there - Boyle, SJM, Dylan, Hanlon, Lewy. Brought through big Ryan and Olly. Signed 2 good keepers...something approximately 10 managers before him managed combined. Signed one of the classiest defenders ever seen in Efe. Flo looked a revelation before his form dropped off. Scotty A was a joy to watch. Barker really came on to a game and looked a real handful. Slivka, who is technically a fine player and still has real potential.
Of course he signed some duds as well...they all do!

Loved listening to him speak. Inciteful and passionate. He gave us a higher profile than we've had in decades.

Got us promoted at the first time of asking - check.

Record season ticket sales - check.

Largest average home gates in over 50 years - check.

Highest league point total in SPL ever - check.

Best record against the old squirm from any Hibs manager in history EVER - check.

Best run in Europe for 30 years - check.

All achieved in 2 1/2 seasons.

He did have failings, though I suspect his biggest was his inability to manage the expectations of an over excitable and often delusional support.

Recently a comprehensive list was compiled giving the respective win rates of all 32 managers. Lennon came 10th. I decided to look at those stats again as I don't think it gives a proper picture. Win rate is important though not the full story. After all i'd rather we won 49 out 100 and drew 51, than won 50 and lost 50.
Instead I worked out what the average points total per game the managers had achieved. This is a more important figure.
So using 3 pts a win.

Stein is still top averaging 2.02 pts per game. Dan McMichael (in his first spell in charge) is 2nd with 1.96 - both were only in charge for 50 games.
If you add McMichael's 2 spell in charge, his average drops to 1.32 pts per game.
Stubbs is 3rd at 1.93...though all his league games were in the 2nd tier.
Neil Lennon comes FOURTH! (3rd if you count McMichaels 2 spells together). Averaging 1.76 per game of his 123 games in charge, Granted with 1 season in 2nd tier.
(then McFarlane 1.76, Shaw 1.71, Turnbull 1.69, Shankly and McCartney at 1.68, McLeish 1.63, Ormond, 1.61, Mowbray 1.59, Maley 1.57, Collins 1.55, Auld 1.50...before it drops away off to 1.36 (Miller).

I think it would also be interesting to know what the goals for and against stats are...if anyone knows or can be ersed.

Anyone who thinks Neil Lennon wasn't a real success for Hibs is mental and living in a wee wibbly wobbly world of their own.
To all those who had/have a problem wi NL (only you can explain why) you need to give yourself a f***in' realty check. For the reasons best know to yourselves I guess you can be happy that Lennon is now no longer in charge...but FFS give the guy the credit and respect that he absolutely deserves.

I really feel we have missed a trick not holding on to Lennon for another couple of years. Though as it stands, our current gaffer has the best record of all. Long may it continue.

Its not often clubs make 2 good appointments in a row, never mind 3.

For that reason i sincerely hope the future is green and white! (though if i'm honest, i'm concerned it might be 'beige')

You crack on about peoples views on Lennon point out stats etc etc then you show no respect for the current manager and look into the future decide what you think will happen with a negative slant. The accusations about why people have been critcal of Lennon based on some other agenda are delusional and ridiculous. When you and others are coming away with utter drivel about peoples motives and other stuff asking to give a guy respect then you are showing none to new manager you really do begger belief. I think i should have went for a pint a long time ago but they accusations about other decent posters on here and myself to suggest why we had been critical about Lennon was disgraceful and i didnt want to let it slide. Your remark about Heckingbottom is snide and shows the amount of respect you accuse others of with Lennon.

[bigwheel]

You crack on about peoples views on Lennon point out stats etc etc then you show no respect for the current manager and look into the future decide what you think will happen with a negative slant. The accusations about why people have been critcal of Lennon based on some other agenda are delusional and ridiculous. When you and others are coming away with utter drivel about peoples motives and other stuff asking to give a guy respect then you are showing none to new manager you really do begger belief. I think i should have went for a pint a long time ago but they accusations about other decent posters on here and myself to suggest why we had been critical about Lennon was disgraceful and i didnt want to let it slide. Your remark about Heckingbottom is snide and shows the amount of respect you accuse others of with Lennon.



I've read the post you quote a few times and can't for the life of my find the remark about Hecky that you seem upset about? is it the "beige" one? May have missed it in the overall mix of the post...

I just took that as a view that things "might" not be quite as dynamic, fiery, spikey in this chapter. I feel he is posing a personal viewpoint - nothing to get upset about -I liked his passionate post - felt more like a blog post than a forum post. Even if some of nuances weren't of my personal viewpoint - it was a thought provoking interesting enjoyable read...

[Doh Rae Me]

Sadtom gives a fantastic post and is completely seconded by myself.
As regards the beige remark, the shoe fits, as anyone coming in after NL has big ones to fill, imo, if you get my drift.

[The 90+2]

I've read the post you quote a few times and can't for the life of my find the remark about Hecky that you seem upset about? is it the "beige" one? May have missed it in the overall mix of the post...

I just took that as a view that things "might" not be quite as dynamic, fiery, spikey in this chapter. I feel he is posing a personal viewpoint - nothing to get upset about -I liked his passionate post - felt more like a blog post than a forum post. Even if some of nuances weren't of my personal viewpoint - it was a thought provoking interesting enjoyable read...

I see it drama queens with mock outrage going on about hate and disrespect and then turning it around on his head.

Lennon, good luck. Onwards and upwards Hibernian FC.

[The 90+2]

Sadtom gives a fantastic post and is completely seconded by myself.
As regards the beige remark, the shoe fits, as anyone coming in after NL has big ones to fill, imo, if you get my drift.

It’s only fantastic if you agree with it. Plenty don’t.

Nothing to do with any personal dislike or worse again our former head coach though.

The fact that somehow Lennon has become some kind of victim and posters are having to actually justify comments that he’s wasn’t that actually that good especially towards the end is disturbing.

[Hi Heid Yin]

Sadtom gives a fantastic post and is completely seconded by myself.
As regards the beige remark, the shoe fits, as anyone coming in after NL has big ones to fill, imo, if you get my drift.

And thirded by me! :wink:

[The 90+2]

And thirded by me! :wink:

Really? 😂

[Hi Heid Yin]

It’s only fantastic if you agree with it. Plenty don’t.

Nothing to do with any personal dislike or worse again our former head coach though.

The fact that somehow Lennon has become some kind of victim and posters are having to actually justify comments that he’s wasn’t that actually that good especially towards the end is disturbing.

Disturbing? Lol. Now who's a drama queen.
Disturbing is the little girl murdered by that 16 year old piece of ****.

Anyhow, all I've ever said regarding Neil Lennon is give him due respect for the balance of his tenure, which was unquestionably "successful".

Check my posts and you will see that I too have critiqued him, but whilst doing so kept in mind his impact on our club and the feel good factor that he continued and majorly contributed to.

I'll say it again, there are one or two posters who see no good in him at all and take every opportunity to dig away at his personality and record, referring to him at every opportunity even in completely unrelated threads. It is these "unbalanced" posts that I react to and challenge.

The majority of posts indicate a majority of like-minded Hibbies out there who look upon his tenure as "successful" and acknowledge this, whilst also acknowledging and critiquing his less than successful moments as Hibs manager. I am in this latter category and definitely don't see him as a "saint-like" figure.
Much as I didn't look upon the greatest manager of all in my lifetime, Eddie Turnbull, as "saint-like" and whose record I'm sure could equally be scrutinized and damned by those who simply did not like the great man.

[Hibeewilly]

Lies. Damn lies. And statistics!

While accepting things have to move on and wishing nothing but great success to our new manager and his staff. To read some of the revisionist and downright disrespectful garbage being written about Lennon is nothing short of a disgrace and utterly cringeworthy.

NL took over at a difficult time for 2 main reasons.
1 - we had failed in our primary objective of getting promoted for 2 years. We were desperate to get back and could not afford to fail again.
2 - he was taking over from a man who had just delivered the holy grail and who will be rightly lauded by the support forever for this achievement...a hard act to follow. With a support who are prone to getting carried away at the first shoots of success.

For decades I've heard fans demanding for a leader who is not afraid to get down and dirty with the press, the other clubs, the authorities, refs etc. Who will fight our corner and not let us be a soft touch in any respect.
Equally I've heard decades of complaints that underperforming players need 'telt!' That nothing but 100% effort is required...that losing hurts and should not be tolerated. THIS is whats required to be a winner.
Look at the last 2 managers, out with the weegies, who were successful . Fergie and McLean...both were abrasive, demanding and aggressive. Difference was their clubs supporters lapped it up and got right behind their confrontational managers. We on the other hand, bless, got a bit queasy about it.
We finally get someone cut from that cloth only for people to start complaining about 'embarrassing behaviour', 'unbecoming' of our club, or 'not Hibs class' and other assorted bull$heet of that nature. It would appear as an entity we are not actually prepared to go those 'extra yards' to be successful. That it all gets a bit too much for the squeamish and sensitive souls in our support. And also from (if the stories are true) some players who don't like some home truths.

Much has been made of the 3 wins in 14 (2 in 13 in league) at the end of his tenure. Within those 14 games we lost 5. 2 unfortunate 1-0 home defeats to hertz and StJ (after 11 months unbeaten at home). A poor 1-0 defeat away to 'well. A very poor 3-0 loss away to a high flying Killie. a reasonable show in a 4-2 defeat at parkheid.
We did manage a 2-0 win against the champions, draws home and away to sevco and an away draw against hertz who were also on the crest of a wave at the time.

This all happened on the back of the man himself saying that this season would not be as successful, that there would be difficult times as we tried to rebuild after losing an entire section of the team which had proved to be as good as we'd had in decades. Did anyone listen? It would appear plenty did not.
He was still trying to find our best side, still trying to rebuild. At the same time suffering a horrendous run of injuries, as bad as I've ever seen.
Would he have turned it round? No-one will ever know, though I fancy, given support and time, he would have.

Some fact which are undisputable.
He took over after our 'highest of highs' and managed to keep us on an upward curve.

Really unlucky (after a brilliant 1-0 away win) to go out of Europe to Brondy.

For the most part played exciting AND effective football (combining the 2 had always been elusive).

Really improved and made more consistent a lot of the players who were there - Boyle, SJM, Dylan, Hanlon, Lewy. Brought through big Ryan and Olly. Signed 2 good keepers...something approximately 10 managers before him managed combined. Signed one of the classiest defenders ever seen in Efe. Flo looked a revelation before his form dropped off. Scotty A was a joy to watch. Barker really came on to a game and looked a real handful. Slivka, who is technically a fine player and still has real potential.
Of course he signed some duds as well...they all do!

Loved listening to him speak. Inciteful and passionate. He gave us a higher profile than we've had in decades.

Got us promoted at the first time of asking - check.

Record season ticket sales - check.

Largest average home gates in over 50 years - check.

Highest league point total in SPL ever - check.

Best record against the old squirm from any Hibs manager in history EVER - check.

Best run in Europe for 30 years - check.

All achieved in 2 1/2 seasons.

He did have failings, though I suspect his biggest was his inability to manage the expectations of an over excitable and often delusional support.

Recently a comprehensive list was compiled giving the respective win rates of all 32 managers. Lennon came 10th. I decided to look at those stats again as I don't think it gives a proper picture. Win rate is important though not the full story. After all i'd rather we won 49 out 100 and drew 51, than won 50 and lost 50.
Instead I worked out what the average points total per game the managers had achieved. This is a more important figure.
So using 3 pts a win.

Stein is still top averaging 2.02 pts per game. Dan McMichael (in his first spell in charge) is 2nd with 1.96 - both were only in charge for 50 games.
If you add McMichael's 2 spell in charge, his average drops to 1.32 pts per game.
Stubbs is 3rd at 1.93...though all his league games were in the 2nd tier.
Neil Lennon comes FOURTH! (3rd if you count McMichaels 2 spells together). Averaging 1.76 per game of his 123 games in charge, Granted with 1 season in 2nd tier.
(then McFarlane 1.76, Shaw 1.71, Turnbull 1.69, Shankly and McCartney at 1.68, McLeish 1.63, Ormond, 1.61, Mowbray 1.59, Maley 1.57, Collins 1.55, Auld 1.50...before it drops away off to 1.36 (Miller).

I think it would also be interesting to know what the goals for and against stats are...if anyone knows or can be ersed.

Anyone who thinks Neil Lennon wasn't a real success for Hibs is mental and living in a wee wibbly wobbly world of their own.
To all those who had/have a problem wi NL (only you can explain why) you need to give yourself a f***in' realty check. For the reasons best know to yourselves I guess you can be happy that Lennon is now no longer in charge...but FFS give the guy the credit and respect that he absolutely deserves.

I really feel we have missed a trick not holding on to Lennon for another couple of years. Though as it stands, our current gaffer has the best record of all. Long may it continue.

Its not often clubs make 2 good appointments in a row, never mind 3.

For that reason i sincerely hope the future is green and white! (though if i'm honest, i'm concerned it might be 'beige')

An excellent and well thought out post ST. As a lot of others have said I am disappointed Lenny is away as well but I am now 100% behind Paul and Robbie GGTTH:agree:

[Captain Trips]

I've read the post you quote a few times and can't for the life of my find the remark about Hecky that you seem upset about? is it the "beige" one? May have missed it in the overall mix of the post...

I just took that as a view that things "might" not be quite as dynamic, fiery, spikey in this chapter. I feel he is posing a personal viewpoint - nothing to get upset about -I liked his passionate post - felt more like a blog post than a forum post. Even if some of nuances weren't of my personal viewpoint - it was a thought provoking interesting enjoyable read...

That is up to you its snide comment. The post has a lot of focus on his opinion of supporters a lot of which is not based on any semblance of fact. The stats are stats that is and never has been the point. The point is the way he and a few other posters have taken any critic of Lennon to the worst case scenario. Some have used the word hate.

The opinions of me and others on Lennnon is also " nothing to get upset about" but he and a few others have decided not only is it something to get upset about but to make up ridiculous assertions of spite and hate towards him.

[Hibeesmad]

Lies. Damn lies. And statistics!

While accepting things have to move on and wishing nothing but great success to our new manager and his staff. To read some of the revisionist and downright disrespectful garbage being written about Lennon is nothing short of a disgrace and utterly cringeworthy.

NL took over at a difficult time for 2 main reasons.
1 - we had failed in our primary objective of getting promoted for 2 years. We were desperate to get back and could not afford to fail again.
2 - he was taking over from a man who had just delivered the holy grail and who will be rightly lauded by the support forever for this achievement...a hard act to follow. With a support who are prone to getting carried away at the first shoots of success.

For decades I've heard fans demanding for a leader who is not afraid to get down and dirty with the press, the other clubs, the authorities, refs etc. Who will fight our corner and not let us be a soft touch in any respect.
Equally I've heard decades of complaints that underperforming players need 'telt!' That nothing but 100% effort is required...that losing hurts and should not be tolerated. THIS is whats required to be a winner.
Look at the last 2 managers, out with the weegies, who were successful . Fergie and McLean...both were abrasive, demanding and aggressive. Difference was their clubs supporters lapped it up and got right behind their confrontational managers. We on the other hand, bless, got a bit queasy about it.
We finally get someone cut from that cloth only for people to start complaining about 'embarrassing behaviour', 'unbecoming' of our club, or 'not Hibs class' and other assorted bull$heet of that nature. It would appear as an entity we are not actually prepared to go those 'extra yards' to be successful. That it all gets a bit too much for the squeamish and sensitive souls in our support. And also from (if the stories are true) some players who don't like some home truths.

Much has been made of the 3 wins in 14 (2 in 13 in league) at the end of his tenure. Within those 14 games we lost 5. 2 unfortunate 1-0 home defeats to hertz and StJ (after 11 months unbeaten at home). A poor 1-0 defeat away to 'well. A very poor 3-0 loss away to a high flying Killie. a reasonable show in a 4-2 defeat at parkheid.
We did manage a 2-0 win against the champions, draws home and away to sevco and an away draw against hertz who were also on the crest of a wave at the time.

This all happened on the back of the man himself saying that this season would not be as successful, that there would be difficult times as we tried to rebuild after losing an entire section of the team which had proved to be as good as we'd had in decades. Did anyone listen? It would appear plenty did not.
He was still trying to find our best side, still trying to rebuild. At the same time suffering a horrendous run of injuries, as bad as I've ever seen.
Would he have turned it round? No-one will ever know, though I fancy, given support and time, he would have.

Some fact which are undisputable.
He took over after our 'highest of highs' and managed to keep us on an upward curve.

Really unlucky (after a brilliant 1-0 away win) to go out of Europe to Brondy.

For the most part played exciting AND effective football (combining the 2 had always been elusive).

Really improved and made more consistent a lot of the players who were there - Boyle, SJM, Dylan, Hanlon, Lewy. Brought through big Ryan and Olly. Signed 2 good keepers...something approximately 10 managers before him managed combined. Signed one of the classiest defenders ever seen in Efe. Flo looked a revelation before his form dropped off. Scotty A was a joy to watch. Barker really came on to a game and looked a real handful. Slivka, who is technically a fine player and still has real potential.
Of course he signed some duds as well...they all do!

Loved listening to him speak. Inciteful and passionate. He gave us a higher profile than we've had in decades.

Got us promoted at the first time of asking - check.

Record season ticket sales - check.

Largest average home gates in over 50 years - check.

Highest league point total in SPL ever - check.

Best record against the old squirm from any Hibs manager in history EVER - check.

Best run in Europe for 30 years - check.

All achieved in 2 1/2 seasons.

He did have failings, though I suspect his biggest was his inability to manage the expectations of an over excitable and often delusional support.

Recently a comprehensive list was compiled giving the respective win rates of all 32 managers. Lennon came 10th. I decided to look at those stats again as I don't think it gives a proper picture. Win rate is important though not the full story. After all i'd rather we won 49 out 100 and drew 51, than won 50 and lost 50.
Instead I worked out what the average points total per game the managers had achieved. This is a more important figure.
So using 3 pts a win.

Stein is still top averaging 2.02 pts per game. Dan McMichael (in his first spell in charge) is 2nd with 1.96 - both were only in charge for 50 games.
If you add McMichael's 2 spell in charge, his average drops to 1.32 pts per game.
Stubbs is 3rd at 1.93...though all his league games were in the 2nd tier.
Neil Lennon comes FOURTH! (3rd if you count McMichaels 2 spells together). Averaging 1.76 per game of his 123 games in charge, Granted with 1 season in 2nd tier.
(then McFarlane 1.76, Shaw 1.71, Turnbull 1.69, Shankly and McCartney at 1.68, McLeish 1.63, Ormond, 1.61, Mowbray 1.59, Maley 1.57, Collins 1.55, Auld 1.50...before it drops away off to 1.36 (Miller).

I think it would also be interesting to know what the goals for and against stats are...if anyone knows or can be ersed.

Anyone who thinks Neil Lennon wasn't a real success for Hibs is mental and living in a wee wibbly wobbly world of their own.
To all those who had/have a problem wi NL (only you can explain why) you need to give yourself a f***in' realty check. For the reasons best know to yourselves I guess you can be happy that Lennon is now no longer in charge...but FFS give the guy the credit and respect that he absolutely deserves.

I really feel we have missed a trick not holding on to Lennon for another couple of years. Though as it stands, our current gaffer has the best record of all. Long may it continue.

Its not often clubs make 2 good appointments in a row, never mind 3.

For that reason i sincerely hope the future is green and white! (though if i'm honest, i'm concerned it might be 'beige')

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[HibeeHibernian4]

The majority of posts indicate a majority of like-minded Hibbies out there who look upon his tenure as "successful" and acknowledge this, whilst also acknowledging and critiquing his less than successful moments as Hibs manager. I am in this latter category and definitely don't see him as a "saint-like" figure.
Much as I didn't look upon the greatest manager of all in my lifetime, Eddie Turnbull, as "saint-like" and whose record I'm sure could equally be scrutinized and damned by those who simply did not like the great man.

You came SO close to making a point that didn't dismiss the 'other side' as having some sort of personal dislike of Lennon, and then with your last nine words you finally reverted to type.

Why do you insist that anybody who 'scrutinises' a manager's record must be doing so to 'damn' them because they don't like them?

Why can it not be the case that, quite objectively, some people feel Lennon's time at Hibs was not nearly as good as is painted out to be by certain posters on here?

[Captain Trips]

Disturbing? Lol. Now who's a drama queen.
Disturbing is the little girl murdered by that 16 year old piece of ****.

Anyhow, all I've ever said regarding Neil Lennon is give him due respect for the balance of his tenure, which was unquestionably "successful".

Check my posts and you will see that I too have critiqued him, but whilst doing so kept in mind his impact on our club and the feel good factor that he continued and majorly contributed to.

I'll say it again, there are one or two posters who see no good in him at all and take every opportunity to dig away at his personality and record, referring to him at every opportunity even in completely unrelated threads. It is these "unbalanced" posts that I react to and challenge.

The majority of posts indicate a majority of like-minded Hibbies out there who look upon his tenure as "successful" and acknowledge this, whilst also acknowledging and critiquing his less than successful moments as Hibs manager. I am in this latter category and definitely don't see him as a "saint-like" figure.
Much as I didn't look upon the greatest manager of all in my lifetime, Eddie Turnbull, as "saint-like" and whose record I'm sure could equally be scrutinized and damned by those who simply did not like the great man.

Have you checked the posts of the haters to see how much credit he was given at the time? I react to your unbalanced and ridiculous accusations aimed at folk who may not agree with you. Just because you think he was a success (as do I btw) and somebody doesnt you then decide there must be some other reason. Have you liked every player that has played for us? Maybe you thought somebody just wasnt that good and others thought they were good.

[Hi Heid Yin]

That is up to you its snide comment. The post has a lot of focus on his opinion of supporters a lot of which is not based on any semblance of fact. The stats are stats that is and never has been the point. The point is the way he and a few other posters have taken any critic of Lennon to the worst case scenario. Some have used the word hate.

The opinions of me and others on Lennnon is also " nothing to get upset about" but he and a few others have decided not only is it something to get upset about but to make up ridiculous assertions of spite and hate towards him.

Regarding using the words "hate" and "vindictive".

The venom in some of the anti-Neil Lennon posts was uncalled for and out of all proportion to what he might have/might not have done during his tenure.

They came across as "personal", and driven by powerful negative emotions.

[Captain Trips]

Regarding using the words "hate" and "vindictive".

The venom in some of the anti-Neil Lennon posts was uncalled for and out of all proportion to what he might have/might not have done during his tenure.

They came across as "personal", and driven by powerful negative emotions.

Which you have no evidence of. You calling supporters vindictive or to even suggest hate is what is out of proportion. What is an Anti Lennon post?

I do not think Lennon.s last 3 months were good enough regardless of the previous 2 seasons and I am now not that bothered he has gone. Is this Anti Lennon?

[Hi Heid Yin]

You came SO close to making a point that didn't dismiss the 'other side' as having some sort of personal dislike of Lennon, and then with your last nine words you finally reverted to type.

Why do you insist that anybody who 'scrutinises' a manager's record must be doing so to 'damn' them because they don't like them?

Why can it not be the case that, quite objectively, some people feel Lennon's time at Hibs was not nearly as good as is painted out to be by certain posters on here?

Because it's hard to see "balance" and "fairness" in one or two posts.

The bulk of Eddie Turnbull's time was "successful", and, despite his latter time being negative, he will be be viewed by me as a "successful" manager. There is no need to undermine the man or his record because it ended on a sour note.

Similarly, Neil Lennon's tenure ended on a sour note, but I remain grateful for the success he brought our club over 2 whole seasons. Out of respect and gratitude I feel no need to undermine the man or his record.

[Captain Trips]

Because it's hard to see "balance" and "fairness" in one or two posts.

The bulk of Eddie Turnbull's time was "successful", and, despite his latter time being negative, he will be be viewed by me as a "successful" manager. There is no need to undermine the man or his record because it ended on a sour note.

Similarly, Neil Lennon's tenure ended on a sour note, but I remain grateful for the success he brought our club over 2 whole seasons. Out of respect and gratitude I feel no need to undermine the man or his record.

Indeed it ended on a sour note and on balance "this season" it was not going as well therefore I was not as bothered he left as I would have been if left at end of last season. I just find your attitude to people who do not feel the same as you ridiculous. Why can they not just think different to you?

[calumhibee1]

Regarding using the words "hate" and "vindictive".

The venom in some of the anti-Neil Lennon posts was uncalled for and out of all proportion to what he might have/might not have done during his tenure.

They came across as "personal", and driven by powerful negative emotions.

I can genuinely say I've not seen any posts on this website which could be described as venomous or hateful towards NL. The closest I think they may have came are people saying that they never really took to him and that's it.

[Hi Heid Yin]

Which you have no evidence of. You calling supporters vindictive or to even suggest hate is what is out of proportion. What is an Anti Lennon post
I do not think Lennon.s last 3 months were good enough regardless of the previous 2 seasons and I am now not that bothered he has gone. Is this Anti Lennon?

Nobody is denying we went through a poor patch, but is this "justification" for slurring the guy and his otherwise "successful" record and bringing his name up in completely "unrelated threads". This is what has been happening.
The digs keep on coming and I'm finding it hard to believe that they are "driven by admiration and respect and gratitude".

"Balanced and fair" posts will always be well-received by me.

"Unbalanced and unfair" will always be challenged.

[Captain Trips]

Nobody is denying we went through a poor patch, but is this "justification" for slurring the guy and his otherwise "successful" record and bringing his name up in completely "unrelated threads". This is what has been happening.
The digs keep on coming and I'm finding it hard to believe that they are "driven by admiration and respect and gratitude".

"Balanced and fair" posts will always be well-received by me.

"Unbalanced and unfair" will always be challenged.

Is what I said about him "Anti Lennon"

"slurring" "digs" "hate" "venom" so certain people are displaying this? I have not noticed but as its been very important to you please show me these posts in unrelated threads I would genuinely be interested to see exactly what it is you have seen and whats been writtern.

[J-C]

Because it's hard to see "balance" and "fairness" in one or two posts.

The bulk of Eddie Turnbull's time was "successful", and, despite his latter time being negative, he will be be viewed by me as a "successful" manager. There is no need to undermine the man or his record because it ended on a sour note.

Similarly, Neil Lennon's tenure ended on a sour note, but I remain grateful for the success he brought our club over 2 whole seasons. Out of respect and gratitude I feel no need to undermine the man or his record.

No one is undermining him, he had 2 fairly successful seasons and so far this season a pretty pish one. His behaviour started going a bit weird, team selections bizarre and squad management poor. His time at Hibs came to an end and we thank him for his efforts but we move on. The idolosing has been OTT by a few fans on here, to the extent of being a wee bit scary.

[Hibbyradge]

I'm not a I'm not a Lennon hater, I'm a Lennon hater's son
I'm only hating Lennon 'till the Lennon hater comes.

Me husband is a Hibby, he's a very busy man
I try to understand him and I help him all I can,
But sometimes in an evening I feel a trifle dim
All alone, I'm hating Lennon, when I'd rather hate with him.

I'm not a Lennon hater, I'm a Lennon hater's mate
I'm only hating Lennon 'cos the Lennon hater's late !

I'm not good at hating Lennon, at Lennon hating I get stuck
Though some Lennon's find it pleasant I'd rather hate a duck.
Oh hating geese is gorgeous, I can hate a goose with ease
But Lennon hating's torture because he hasn't any grease.

I'm not a Lennon hater, he has gone out on the tiles
He only hates one Lennon and I'm sitting here with piles !

You have to hate him fresh, if it’s fresh it's not unpleasant,
I knew a man in Dunstable who could hate a frozen pheasant.
They say the village constable had Lennon hater sessions
With the vicar on a Sunday ‘tween the first and second lessons.

I'm not a Lennon hater, I'm a Lennon hater's mum
I'm only hating Lennon 'till the Lennon hater's come.

My good friend Godfrey is most adept, he's really got the knack
He likes to have Lennon hated before he hits the sack.
I like to give a helping hand, I gather up the feathers,
It's really all our Lennon hating keeps us pair together.

I'm not a Lennon hater, I'm a Lennon hater's friend
I'm only hating Lennon as a means unto an end !

My husband's in the forest always banging with his gun
If he could hear me half the time I'm sure that he would run,
For there's fluff in all my crannies, there's feathers up my nose
And I'm itching in the kitchen from my head down to my toes.

I'm not a Lennon hater, I'm a Lennon hater's wife
And when we pluck together it's a Lennon hating life

[J-C]

I'm not a I'm not a Lennon hater, I'm a Lennon hater's son
I'm only hating Lennon 'till the Lennon hater comes.

Me husband is a Hibby, he's a very busy man
I try to understand him and I help him all I can,
But sometimes in an evening I feel a trifle dim
All alone, I'm hating Lennon, when I'd rather hate with him.

I'm not a Lennon hater, I'm a Lennon hater's mate
I'm only hating Lennon 'cos the Lennon hater's late !

I'm not good at hating Lennon, at Lennon hating I get stuck
Though some Lennon's find it pleasant I'd rather hate a duck.
Oh hating geese is gorgeous, I can hste a goose with ease
But Lennon hating's torture because hr haven't any grease.

I'm not a Lennon hater, he has gone out on the tiles
He only hates one Lennon and I'm sitting here with piles !

You have to hate him fresh, if it’s fresh it's not unpleasant,
I knew a man in Dunstable who could pluck a frozen pheasant.
They say the village constable had Lennon hater sessions
With the vicar on a Sunday ‘tween the first and second lessons.

I'm not a Lennon hater, I'm a Lennon hater's mum
I'm only hating Lennon 'till the Lennon hater's come.

My good friend Godfrey is most adept, he's really got the knack
He likes to have Lennon hated before he hits the sack.
I like to give a helping hand, I gather up the feathers,
It's really all our Lennon hating keeps us pair together.

I'm not a Lennon hater, I'm a Lennon hater's friend
I'm only hating Lennon as a means unto an end !

My husband's in the forest always banging with his gun
If he could hear me half the time I'm sure that he would run,
For there's fluff in all my crannies, there's feathers up my nose
And I'm itching in the kitchen from my head down to my toes.

I'm not a Lennon hater, I'm a Lennon hater's wife
And when we pluck together it's a Lennon hating life

You have far too much time on your hands. 😂😂

[HibeeHibernian4]

The idolosing has been OTT by a few fans on here, to the extent of being a wee bit scary.

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[Hibbyradge]

You have far too much time on your hands. 😂😂

Off to make tea now.

Pheasant with chips on the shoulder. :wink:

[J-C]

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[Hi Heid Yin]

Indeed it ended on a sour note and on balance "this season" it was not going as well therefore I was not as bothered he left as I would have been if left at end of last season. I just find your attitude to people who do not feel the same as you ridiculous. Why can they not just think different to you?

Fair point!:wink:

[BILLYHIBS]

WTF..you think a hibs manager with a near 50% win ratio is average :rolleyes: let's hope for lots more 'Averages' in the future eh, 26 losses in 123 games, what a poor record that is

:thumbsup:

Agree

When I posted it I too thought “mmmh! not too bad for a HIBS Manager”

But we are better than that now

47.9% win rate

Not good for a winner like Neil Lennon with quite rightly his high standards

More worryingly his last 15 games won 3 drawn 6 lost 6 resulting in a fall to eighth in the league

I expected him to get time to turn things around but for whatever reason ( we might never know) it was not to be

Onwards and upwards

The HIBS go marching on. :greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

:thumbsup:

Agree

When I posted it I too thought “mmmh! not too bad for a HIBS Manager”

But we are better than that now

47.9% win rate

Not good for a winner like Neil Lennon with quite rightly his high standards

More worryingly his last 15 games won 3 drawn 6 lost 6 resulting in a fall to eighth in the league

I expected him to get time to turn things around but for whatever reason ( we might never know) it was not to be

Onwards and upwards

The HIBS go marching on. :greengrin



and that rightly/wrongly is what he will be judged on, but he certainly made us a very hard team to beat over his full reign.

[BILLYHIBS]

and that rightly/wrongly is what he will be judged on, but he certainly made us a very hard team to beat over his full reign.

All good things have to end sometime

You just knew it was all going to end in tears

The King is dead long live the King!

GGTTH

[Hi Heid Yin]

I've said all I have to say in this thread, so I will now take leave of it and go and make my tea.

:nanawave:

[Captain Trips]

I've said all I have to say in this thread, so I will now take leave of it and go and make my tea.

:nanawave:

I think your tea will be *****.

😁

[HibeeHibernian4]

I think your tea will be *****.

😁

I think the tea will start off okay, then be brilliant in the middle but absolutely rubbish by the end. :greengrin

[The 90+2]

I think your tea will be *****.

😁

What a hate filled spiteful post 😢

[Hi Heid Yin]

I think your tea will be *****.

😁


I think the tea will start off okay, then be brilliant in the middle but absolutely rubbish by the end. :greengrin


What a hate filled spiteful post 😢

:wink: To all of you

[sadtom]

You crack on about peoples views on Lennon point out stats etc etc then you show no respect for the current manager and look into the future decide what you think will happen with a negative slant. The accusations about why people have been critcal of Lennon based on some other agenda are delusional and ridiculous. When you and others are coming away with utter drivel about peoples motives and other stuff asking to give a guy respect then you are showing none to new manager you really do begger belief. I think i should have went for a pint a long time ago but they accusations about other decent posters on here and myself to suggest why we had been critical about Lennon was disgraceful and i didnt want to let it slide. Your remark about Heckingbottom is snide and shows the amount of respect you accuse others of with Lennon.

You seem determined to deliberately misrepresent my comments.

If you had bothered to highlight in bold the line above you would know that my comment had f*** all to do with our new manager. Not only do I want him to be successful...but i'd love him to be the MOST successful.

I stated quite f***in' clearly that my concern was not about Paul Heckingbottom, his style, personality, record, or any comment on his ability or otherwise. It was all about probability.
Is difficult to get 2 good managerial appointments in a row, 3 would be unheard of I reckon. Can anybody point to 3 successful consecutive gaffers?? I cant think of any.
So I repeat, my concern is that what will happen now is what has always happened...that we slip back into the ups n downs of threatening success only to revert back to mediocrity. That has been the way of things with Hibs for my lifetime anyway. F*** all to do with our new gaffer. Just the worry that history suggests we are unlikely to get it right 3 in a row...or am I not allowed to be concerned.

I've stated more than once that I hope he is successful and that I am fully behind him.

So quite frankly you can take you comment about me not showing him respect or calling my comment 'snide' and ram it where the sun don't f****** shine.

[calumhibee1]

You seem determined to deliberately misrepresent my comments.

If you had bothered to highlight in bold the line above you would know that my comment had f*** all to do with our new manager. Not only do I want him to be successful...but i'd love him to be the MOST successful.

I stated quite f***in' clearly that my concern was not about Paul Heckingbottom, his style, personality, record, or any comment on his ability or otherwise. It was all about probability.
Is difficult to get 2 good managerial appointments in a row, 3 would be unheard of I reckon. Can anybody point to 3 successful consecutive gaffers?? I cant think of any.
So I repeat, my concern is that what will happen now is what has always happened...that we slip back into the ups n downs of threatening success only to revert back to mediocrity. That has been the way of things with Hibs for my lifetime anyway. F*** all to do with our new gaffer. Just the worry that history suggests we are unlikely to get it right 3 in a row...or am I not allowed to be concerned.

I've stated more than once that I hope he is successful and that I am fully behind him.

So quite frankly you can take you comment about me not showing him respect or calling my comment 'snide' and ram it where the sun don't f****** shine.

How many you’ve got right in a row previously has little impact on how likely you are to get the next one right surely? Other than you could possibly argue if you get two in a row right then you know what you’re doing so the chances of getting three in a row are even higher?

I’m not quite sure why getting two in a row right means that this appointment is less likely to be a success?

[Captain Trips]

You seem determined to deliberately misrepresent my comments.

If you had bothered to highlight in bold the line above you would know that my comment had f*** all to do with our new manager. Not only do I want him to be successful...but i'd love him to be the MOST successful.

I stated quite f***in' clearly that my concern was not about Paul Heckingbottom, his style, personality, record, or any comment on his ability or otherwise. It was all about probability.
Is difficult to get 2 good managerial appointments in a row, 3 would be unheard of I reckon. Can anybody point to 3 successful consecutive gaffers?? I cant think of any.
So I repeat, my concern is that what will happen now is what has always happened...that we slip back into the ups n downs of threatening success only to revert back to mediocrity. That has been the way of things with Hibs for my lifetime anyway. F*** all to do with our new gaffer. Just the worry that history suggests we are unlikely to get it right 3 in a row...or am I not allowed to be concerned.

I've stated more than once that I hope he is successful and that I am fully behind him.

So quite frankly you can take you comment about me not showing him respect or calling my comment 'snide' and ram it where the sun don't f****** shine.

Calling fans delusional:Snide
Biege: Snide

Good for you saying you think he will be good well done. Maybe the delusional people who live in wibbly world thought the same for Lennon.

I didn't highlight the sentence above the o e I quoted as its pish and irrelevant. The previous manager has no relevance to next choice working or not. You have basically decided that no matter who we bring in it won't be good. So aye snide and disrespectful.

Welcome Mr Heckingbottom. Sorry but as our last 2 managers did well you won't as that's "the way". So welcome aboard as you don't have what it takes for that not to happen. So Mr Heckingbottom you might as well chuck it now rather than waste your time having us go nowhere.

Aye OK Tom. What a delight and positive stance.