Brexit is looming. Has anything changed for you yet?

[Hibbyradge]

I don't think I've phrased my question very well, but it stems from the fact that some companies are stockpiling medicines and foodstuffs.

There's already a thread to debate the pros and cons of Brexit, so I'd encourage people to avoid that on here, but I'm wondering if you've taken any steps or changed behaviour because of what might happen after 29 March.

My wife's friend is storing up her own medicines and given that she is an advisor to the NHS, that raided my eyebrows.

Personally, I had been planning on another April trip to Lisbon, but we've decided not to book anything until we see what happens with airline licences and at the borders.

Have you changed plans or made arrangements?

[Ozyhibby]

I’ve got the family Irish passports. Not that I think I’ll need it but it gives my boys the right to live anywhere in Europe.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Hibbyradge]

I’ve got the family Irish passports. Not that I think I’ll need it but it gives my boys the right to live anywhere in Europe.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Good decision.

[Hibrandenburg]

I don't think I've phrased my question very well, but it stems from the fact that some companies are stockpiling medicines and foodstuffs.

There's already a thread to debate the pros and cons of Brexit, do I'd encourage people to avoid that on here, but I'm wondering if you've taken any steps or changed behaviour because of what might happen after 29 March.

My wife's friend is storing up her own medicines and given that she is an advisor to the NHS, that raided my eyebrows.

Personally, I had been planning on another April trip to Lisbon, but we've decided not to book anything until we see what happens with airline licences and at the borders.

Have you changed plans or made arrangements?

As of yesterday I'm a German citizen, I probably should have done it years ago but Brexit forced my hand. Also my company has now relocated about half our aircraft fleet to the EU to safeguard operations post Brexit.

I knew things were bad but the NHS raiding your eyebrows is worrying, does this signal a move away from modern medicine towards a more traditional Chinese method? :greengrin

[danhibees1875]

Nope. I've not booked any holidays this year yet, but I think that would have been the case regardless. Although I would be reluctant to do so now until after B-day just to see how things pan out.

I might show up at home tonight with as many tins of beans as I can carry just to see the look on my girlfriends face when I tell her I'm stockpiling for Brexit. :greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

As of yesterday I'm a German citizen, I probably should have done it years ago but Brexit forced my hand. Also my company has now relocated about half our aircraft fleet to the EU to safeguard operations post Brexit.

I knew things were bad but the NHS raiding your eyebrows is worrying, does this signal a move away from modern medicine towards a more traditional Chinese method? :greengrin

:faf:

I'm not even sure what I meant to type!

Edit: raised my eyebrows. :hilarious

[PeeJay]

Was planning to visit London, the Lake District then Edinburgh and the Borders for my summer hols - going to Stockholm / Sweden now instead ... took German citizenship a while back ...

Hugely disheartened by what is happening in the UK - none of this augers well for the future of the UK or the EU ... fed up trying to explain the unexplainable to my family and friends here

HB ... Willkommen an Bord! :greengrin

[Hibrandenburg]

Was planning to visit London, the Lake District then Edinburgh and the Borders for my summer hols - going to Stockholm / Sweden now instead ... took German citizenship a while back ...

Hugely disheartened by what is happening in the UK - none of this augers well for the future of the UK or the EU ... fed up trying to explain the unexplainable to my family and friends here

HB ... Willkommen an Bord! :greengrin

Danke Peter!!!

[Hibrandenburg]

:faf:

I'm not even sure what I meant to type!

Edit: raised my eyebrows. :hilarious

:greengrin I knew what you meant.

[lapsedhibee]

I’ve got the family Irish passports. Not that I think I’ll need it but it gives my boys the right to live anywhere in Europe.



Good decision.

With rights come responsibilities.

Sammy Wilson, DUP Brexit spokestube, claims (I know) that Leo Varadkar has been threatening Irish troops at the border between the two bits of Ireland, if the backstop were to be done away with.

If things went very seriously bad in Ireland again, couldn't your boys be called up to fight against the DUP and their pals?

[Slavers]

Been hitting the gym and eating well. Going for runs, sprinting up hills etc.

[Hibbyradge]

Been hitting the gym and eating well. Going for runs, sprinting up hills etc.

What a wan-ky reply.

As expected.

[Sylar]

In mid-planning for a friend's stag do, first weekend in April. Like an earlier poster, we had planned on going somewhere in Europe but decided to stay domestic until there was some clarity as to what might happen.

I work for a University and I'm part of a group of people preparing a funding bid for some research - it would have been ideal for a Horizon 2020 or ERC Grant, but I'm not going to spend the time it takes to prepare one of these things when there's a significantly high chance we won't be eligible to apply for them in a month. I suspect professionally, it's going to have some significant impacts on us!

[RyeSloan]

Nope. Nothing.

[Smartie]

At my work I work on projects that can take 18 - 24 months and I advise people that it can be difficult to change provider halfway through, therefore it is best to be committed to staying within reach of Edinburgh if they plan to see it through.

Several potential clients have delayed starting, some have abandoned altogether and some have made plans to fly back for appointments from Spain.

The majority of my clients are between the ages of 16 - 35 and in a modern cosmopolitan city like Edinburgh I have quite an eclectic mix of nationalities.

They are generally jittery and unsettled, and not without good reason.

Some people might be getting their country back, I feel like mine is being taken away from me.

[Bangkok Hibby]

As of yesterday I'm a German citizen, I probably should have done it years ago but Brexit forced my hand. Also my company has now relocated about half our aircraft fleet to the EU to safeguard operations post Brexit.

I knew things were bad but the NHS raiding your eyebrows is worrying, does this signal a move away from modern medicine towards a more traditional Chinese method? :greengrin

:faf::faf::faf:

[Andy Bee]

I'm in the process of trying to buy a new property, I'm finding myself checking prices on 5yr fixed mortgages rather than the obviously cheaper shorter term deals. I'm also worried about the timing of it because if I'm successful it looks like the sale will be finalised on or around the day we leave Europe.

[Pretty Boy]

I've not done a lot personally but it's been a nightmare at my work.

We have a couple of big public service contracts and we've had to prepare a full action plan of what we will do in the event of a no deal Brexit. So much of it is guesswork and supposition that what is written on paper and what might actually work are 2 different things. We also have major suppliers in Germany and France and we've started a stockpile of those goods as they are among our biggest sellers, we have hired extra warehouse space to hold it.

Personally I've avoided booking any holidays in the short term; we looked at booking for 2020 now but decided to wait until we have an idea of what is happening. Maybe I'm being naive but the thought of stockpiling food never occurred to me.

[Jack]

I booked a mega cruise about a year ago hitting South Africa, Reunion, Mauritius, Seychelles, Jordan, Greece, Montenegro, Croatia and Italy. We set off in the middle of April.

Our passports are valid as per the government website but that could change in the event of a no deal with the possibility of visas being required, although probably not. It's a slight concern.

How the pound will react whichever way Brexit goes is a fairly major concern and we've been busy prepaying as much as we can now.

I'm also on regular medication and get a few more pills than I need each time meaning there's a wee build up. I would normally tell the pharmacy not to order the next lot but I'll not be doing that for a while.

My spring fag run was brought forward a month. When I come back from that I'll have around 7,000 stockpiled!

[BroxburnHibee]

Not changed anything and I even booked a holiday to Gran Canaria on 12th April.

Ever the optimist eh? :greengrin

[Slavers]

What a wan-ky reply.

As expected.

I don't know why you feel the need to say that? This is what I do to prepare for life's challenges.

You should try it.

[Jay]

Not changed anything and I even booked a holiday to Gran Canaria on 12th April.

Ever the optimist eh? :greengrin

Im the same. Booked up for May, looking at maybe going away in September. Ill get my prescription drugs when i need them. My cupboards are bare as usual.

I'll deal with anything as it happens

[Fife-Hibee]

Nope, nothing.

It was ***** then and it's ***** now. I have zero regrets about where i've stood politically over the past several years.

[Hibbyradge]

I don't know why you feel the need to say that? This is what I do to prepare for life's challenges.

You should try it.

And again.

[steakbake]

Have got a bit more food in reserve than we usually would. I recently left my job, taking about a year's post-tax salary with me. Most of my decision was about wanting to do something else and having a cushion to try that out. I'd say 10% of the push factor was having that cash available up front.

My partner and daughter are EU citizens. We'll see what happens, but we have recently been talking about leaving if things become really difficult. Like anyone in any country around the world, if the circumstances are such at home that you feel compelled to move and you have that option, you move.

That would be significant for us and a hard choice with family close-by especially when the kid is young. However, if it goes the way it looks it probably will, we're not going to hang around to struggle through it, if we have other options. Even if that means starting again somewhere else.

[southfieldhibby]

I own a small travel agency, been waiting for the **** to kick off and business to dry up, but genuinely it's business as usual. Folk on the whole- and outside the bubble of taking an interest in politics in general- are inured to it I think.

My sister in law lives with me, very severe and complex medical conditions. My wife has been stockpiling medication for a while now. The idea of not having it terrifies her.

I have noticed things in Tesco being less readily available more often. Daft things like sparkling water or milk. As an ex-scotmid filler and facer, you notice that shelves are less filled, with maybe 2/3 items at the front and empty behind.

[Peevemor]

I'm about to launch the process to become a French citizen (although I'll retain the right to a British passport).

Hee-haw hee-haw! :sauzee:

[heretoday]

I'm trying to avoid all talk of Brexit on radio or TV. None of the journalists have a scooby what's going to happen so spend time endlessly speculating and analysing.

I expect there will be a last-minute deal of sorts, or the can will get kicked down the road a bit. End of story.

[Bangkok Hibby]

My wages have changed. A 9% drop since 2016 due to the weak pound

[hibsbollah]

Not directly answering the question, and you'll get the usual suspects crying 'scaremongering' of course, but it's going to make more sense to grow your own food in the next few years.

If you factor in extreme weather events caused by climate change, supermarket monopolies, food price rises, increased population, to the short term problems that will follow a No Deal Brexit, food is going to get scarcer and more expensive. Having an allotment or garden space and the know how and time to grow stuff is going to reap dividends. (As well as all the well documented health benefits both in terms of the end product and the exercise and added wellbeing)

[ronaldo7]

My wife got called into the pharmacy where she gets all sorts of drugs connected to her kidney transplant, and her MS. She's been placed on some sort of list where they're keeping tabs on her medications.

They've said they don't want her to stockpile at home, due to the high costs of the medication.

It's ok though, we've got a back up plan, and some ferry contract negotiated.

We've booked Florida this year to MAGA

[HappyAsHellas]

Booked for 3 holidays in the Greek islands in May, July and September and couldn't care about all the speculation, what happens happens.

[JeMeSouviens]

My wife got called into the pharmacy where she gets all sorts of drugs connected to her kidney transplant, and her MS. She's been placed on some sort of list where they're keeping tabs on her medications.

They've said they don't want her to stockpile at home, due to the high costs of the medication.

It's ok though, we've got a back up plan, and some ferry contract negotiated.

We've booked Florida this year to MAGA

My missus has MS too. Her drugs are manufactured in Denmark but seemingly the NHS have asked the supplier to source them elsewhere.

I'm flying to Basel on March 31st (impeccable timing!) and Milan in June. The flights were cheap so not a huge write off if it doesn't happen. Going to be renting cars so in a no deal I think I need an International Driving Permit?

[wpj]

Off to Germany in April. I have no idea if anything will be different but am expecting to be a while at the airport as I might not be a European citizen then.

[Future17]

We've booked Florida this year to MAGA

Wow. That's some impact of Brexit if it's cheaper to fly to Maga from Florida.

[Godsahibby]

I’m now employed by a company in Luxembourg rather than Belgium. Still sitting at the same desk in Edinburgh so really not made any difference to me.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Not directly answering the question, and you'll get the usual suspects crying 'scaremongering' of course, but it's going to make more sense to grow your own food in the next few years.

If you factor in extreme weather events caused by climate change, supermarket monopolies, food price rises, increased population, to the short term problems that will follow a No Deal Brexit, food is going to get scarcer and more expensive. Having an allotment or garden space and the know how and time to grow stuff is going to reap dividends. (As well as all the well documented health benefits both in terms of the end product and the exercise and added wellbeing)

If you can get Donald to build a wall around it then happy days! You might need a gun too.

[jonty]

Planning on a new car purchase (German, obviously), but beginning to wonder if there will be a financial impact if Brexit (in whatever shape) goes through.

[RyeSloan]

Not directly answering the question, and you'll get the usual suspects crying 'scaremongering' of course, but it's going to make more sense to grow your own food in the next few years.

If you factor in extreme weather events caused by climate change, supermarket monopolies, food price rises, increased population, to the short term problems that will follow a No Deal Brexit, food is going to get scarcer and more expensive. Having an allotment or garden space and the know how and time to grow stuff is going to reap dividends. (As well as all the well documented health benefits both in terms of the end product and the exercise and added wellbeing)

I think the world has heard that story before (excl. Brexit of course!) but it’s not really held true.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/long-term-price-index-in-food-commodities-1850-2015?time=1850..2015

And while I agree on your general premise of having an allotment (since I have one!) I’m not sure you are factoring in the technological advances being made in food production.

From vertical farms to lab grown meat to robotised farming all the way to molecular level replicators I think we are more likely to be standing on edge of a food revolution than needing to dig for victory!

And that’s before you factor in the ‘health app’ industry that is providing more and more personalised health data that will allow people to tailor precisely what their body needs in terms of nutrition. Which I believe will drive societal changes in a less is more kind of way.

[hibsbollah]

I think the world has heard that story before (excl. Brexit of course!) but it’s not really held true.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/long-term-price-index-in-food-commodities-1850-2015?time=1850..2015

And while I agree on your general premise of having an allotment (since I have one!) I’m not sure you are factoring in the technological advances being made in food production.

From vertical farms to lab grown meat to robotised farming all the way to molecular level replicators I think we are more likely to be standing on edge of a food revolution than needing to dig for victory!

And that’s before you factor in the ‘health app’ industry that is providing more and more personalised health data that will allow people to tailor precisely what their body needs in terms of nutrition. Which I believe will drive societal changes in a less is more kind of way.

That all sounds very interesting, vertical farms?? I'll wait to be convinced that tech advancement will mean cheaper and better quality for consumers. From what I've read food prices are going to rocket in the next few years.

[RyeSloan]

That all sounds very interesting, vertical farms?? I'll wait to be convinced that tech advancement will mean cheaper and better quality for consumers. From what I've read food prices are going to rocket in the next few years.

This is a perfect wee example of a vertical farm. Fresh food grown right in the middle of the city. No need for land, substantially reduced transportation, controlled environment meaning no pesticides.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pGtdoGXhjxQ

[hibsbollah]

This is a perfect wee example of a vertical farm. Fresh food grown right in the middle of the city. No need for land, substantially reduced transportation, controlled environment meaning no pesticides.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pGtdoGXhjxQ

Interesting, thanks. I actually have a wee hydroponics set up with an ikea LED lamp at home, I just need to up production a few thousand percent and chuck it on its side, clearly:greengrin

[Just Alf]

The system is quite effective but does need a small input of oil/gas extraction to make the plastics etc, its why its so important to eliminate the stuff wasted on fuel etc and keep it for the essential stuff for generations and generations to come.

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

[BroxburnHibee]

What's the consensus on currency? Would I be better buying my holiday money now?

[Hibbyradge]

What's the consensus on currency? Would I be better buying my holiday money now?

If you think it'll be no deal, buy now.

Otherwise, I'd wait.

[Hibrandenburg]

What's the consensus on currency? Would I be better buying my holiday money now?

If you're holidaying in the Eurozone then change half now. What you lose or gain on the pound you'll win or gain on the Euro.

[The Modfather]

I’ve had a quiet word with the cat that his pampered indoor lifestyle is going to have to change and he’s going to have to bring home the bacon, literally, in a no deal Brexit scenario.

[Tornadoes70]

What's the consensus on currency? Would I be better buying my holiday money now?

UK pound - Not much fluctuation.

Euro - Long term bound to depreciate due to variability in differencials as per umpteen national differences.

Scottish whatever currency dependent upon neverendum - Virtually Worthless. However upon listening to snp/greens it'll be worth 'progressive taxation' worth, in other words less than valueless, not worth the paper its written on.

The snp/greens are value 'less' parties.

On the other hand Corbyn's policies are full of Scottish national and international value.

Mon Labour.

[Tornadoes70]

I’ve had a quiet word with the cat that his pampered indoor lifestyle is going to have to change and he’s going to have to bring home the bacon, literally, in a no deal Brexit scenario.

What a load of dysfunctional nonsense.

The Modfathers the jam would be very depressed at such rubbish as they would be heavily supporting Jeremy.

Mon Labour!!!

[Future17]

Scottish whatever currency dependent upon neverendum - Virtually Worthless. However upon listening to snp/greens it'll be worth 'progressive taxation' worth, in other words less than valueless, not worth the paper its written on.

This, quite literally, makes no sense.

[heretoday]

I’ve had a quiet word with the cat that his pampered indoor lifestyle is going to have to change and he’s going to have to bring home the bacon, literally, in a no deal Brexit scenario.

Lol. That must be what they mean when they go on about catastrophe.

[Hibbyradge]

UK pound - Not much fluctuation.

Euro - Long term bound to depreciate due to variability in differencials as per umpteen national differences.

Scottish whatever currency dependent upon neverendum - Virtually Worthless. However upon listening to snp/greens it'll be worth 'progressive taxation' worth, in other words less than valueless, not worth the paper its written on.

The snp/greens are value 'less' parties.

On the other hand Corbyn's policies are full of Scottish national and international value.

Mon Labour.

Too much champagne? :hilarious:

[The Modfather]

What a load of dysfunctional nonsense.

The Modfathers the jam would be very depressed at such rubbish as they would be heavily supporting Jeremy.

Mon Labour!!!

The joys of alcohol

[jonty]

This, quite literally, makes no sense.

and you're surprised?

[stoneyburn hibs]

I don't think I've phrased my question very well, but it stems from the fact that some companies are stockpiling medicines and foodstuffs.

There's already a thread to debate the pros and cons of Brexit, so I'd encourage people to avoid that on here, but I'm wondering if you've taken any steps or changed behaviour because of what might happen after 29 March.

My wife's friend is storing up her own medicines and given that she is an advisor to the NHS, that raided my eyebrows.

Personally, I had been planning on another April trip to Lisbon, but we've decided not to book anything until we see what happens with airline licences and at the borders.

Have you changed plans or made arrangements?

Good thread, the fact that it even needs discussed is terrible/horrible.Imo there will be ramifications to our daily lives, hopefully it's slight.

[grunt]

Good thread, the fact that it even needs discussed is terrible/horrible.Imo there will be ramifications to our daily lives, hopefully it's slight.
There will be significant ramifications across all areas of our lives. Life will never be the same again.
This is madness.

[stoneyburn hibs]

There will be significant ramifications across all areas of our lives. Life will never be the same again.
This is madness.

Thanks for your insight.

[greenlex]

Nothing yet but plan to do a bit of hoarding over the next few weeks.

[The Green Goblin]

Toilet rolls are the thing to make sure you have plenty of... (I’m not joking)

[grunt]

Thanks for your insight.
Yes, fair comment. Sometimes I just get overcome by the situation.
Sorry.

[lapsedhibee]

Toilet rolls are the thing to make sure you have plenty of... (I’m not joking)

:tsk tsk: Project sm...

[Hibbyradge]

:tsk tsk: Project sm...

:tee hee:

An inability to distribute its products could put the skids under the likes of Kimberly-Clarke and Proctor and Gamble.

This is an example of how bad hibs.net has become. I've just helped to hijack my own thread.

Bloody puns!

[The Pointer]

As nothing is likely to change, no, as it's all getting a bit like the Millennium Bug.

We're more likely to need to stockpile in the event of problems with fuel deliveries, i.e. if it all kicked off with Putin.

[grunt]

As nothing is likely to change, no, as it's all getting a bit like the Millennium Bug.
Ah yes, the comparison with the Year 2000 problem. The problem that thousands of IT developers spent millions of hours working on, to resolve a known and demonstrable problem. Yeah, good analogy that.

[hibsbollah]

As nothing is likely to change, no, as it's all getting a bit like the Millennium Bug.

We're more likely to need to stockpile in the event of problems with fuel deliveries, i.e. if it all kicked off with Putin.

I'm hearing this 'its the millennium bug all over again, project fear' a lot from Brexiteers. There is really no reason to compare the two things; the MB was about a very discrete bit of tech that the human race had never tested before, so the outcome was unknown and potentially scary. The second is about the dynamics of global trade, which the human race has been doing for about 5,000 years, so economists have a fairly good idea how the system works.

You may as well make the argument that because Rasputin got it wrong and 2013 wasn't the end of days, Brexit will be a roaring success.

[Smartie]

Toilet rolls are the thing to make sure you have plenty of... (I’m not joking)

Not that I'm the type to wish any level of success for the Jambos, but to have Craig Levein 90 minutes away from that elusive medal during a toilet roll shortage could be comedy gold.

[HiBremian]

Took German citizenship back in September, but as a freelance working between Germany and the UK I had been resident in both countries. Then I hit 65 last year, making all kinds of issues more complex, so I've just moved officially full time to Bremen. Applying for an S1 health thingy, but might end up with the shortest period of health insurance ever if it all goes t*ts up [emoji9]

Sent from my Redmi 5 Plus using Tapatalk

[hibsbollah]

I think the world has heard that story before (excl. Brexit of course!) but it’s not really held true.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/long-term-price-index-in-food-commodities-1850-2015?time=1850..2015

And while I agree on your general premise of having an allotment (since I have one!) I’m not sure you are factoring in the technological advances being made in food production.

From vertical farms to lab grown meat to robotised farming all the way to molecular level replicators I think we are more likely to be standing on edge of a food revolution than needing to dig for victory!

And that’s before you factor in the ‘health app’ industry that is providing more and more personalised health data that will allow people to tailor precisely what their body needs in terms of nutrition. Which I believe will drive societal changes in a less is more kind of way.

"With 30% of food coming from the EU, prices are likely to increase and there is a risk that panic buying might create shortages."

Government only published this report today under duress. I doubt health apps and vertical farms will do much to help the situation, interesting though they are.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/26/economy-could-shrink-by-9-percent-under-no-deal-brexit-government-says

[Mibbes Aye]

I'm hearing this 'its the millennium bug all over again, project fear' a lot from Brexiteers. There is really no reason to compare the two things; the MB was about a very discrete bit of tech that the human race had never tested before, so the outcome was unknown and potentially scary. The second is about the dynamics of global trade, which the human race has been doing for about 5,000 years, so economists have a fairly good idea how the system works.

You may as well make the argument that because Rasputin got it wrong and 2013 wasn't the end of days, Brexit will be a roaring success.

I'm in complete agreement with your post, apart from the bit in bold :greengrin

[RyeSloan]

"With 30% of food coming from the EU, prices are likely to increase and there is a risk that panic buying might create shortages."

Government only published this report today under duress. I doubt health apps and vertical farms will do much to help the situation, interesting though they are.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/26/economy-could-shrink-by-9-percent-under-no-deal-brexit-government-says

Ha well yeah I did say I had an allotment as well ;-).

My point on vertical farms was of course aimed at your more general point not really on the short term Brexit soap opera. But hey you never know maybe not being in the CAP might actually spur some investment in more sustainable and non subsidised food production?

That said I’m sure a no deal cliff edge scenario would indeed result in some imported food costs increasing. Quite how much and for how long I have no idea but I ain’t gonna pretend it won’t have some impact that’s for sure.

[The_Exile]

I’m a type 1 diabetic so it’s a bit of a worry that we don’t make a single drop of insulin in the UK, it’s all imported from Europe, and we tend to, well, die pretty rapidly without it.

Apart from that I’ve got my feet up............ :paranoid:

[HiBremian]

I’m a type 1 diabetic so it’s a bit of a worry that we don’t make a single drop of insulin in the UK, it’s all imported from Europe, and we tend to, well, die pretty rapidly without it.

Apart from that I’ve got my feet up............ :paranoid:Daughter in the same boat. Looks like I might need to start bringing supplies over via the unicorn technology border in Ireland.

Sent from my Redmi 5 Plus using Tapatalk

[Hibrandenburg]

Maybe the answer is to have a 2nd vote and record who votes what. If there are shortages in food and medicine then those who voted remain should get to go to the front of any queues. Surely those who are convinced no problems will arise through leaving the EU will not mind? :wink:

[Hibrandenburg]

Daughter in the same boat. Looks like I might need to start bringing supplies over via the unicorn technology border in Ireland.

Sent from my Redmi 5 Plus using Tapatalk

Hope she gets sorted Richard. 😡

[One Day Soon]

Maybe the answer is to have a 2nd vote and record who votes what. If there are shortages in food and medicine then those who voted remain should get to go to the front of any queues. Surely those who are convinced no problems will arise through leaving the EU will not mind? :wink:

Oh I do love that idea. Votes that have actual consequences for those who cast them in whichever way. Such a pity that can't be done.

[K-Zazu]

What’s the worst case scenario ?

[heretoday]

Everything will be fine.

[Hibbyradge]

Everything will be fine.

I'd expand on that.

Everything will be alright in the end. And if it's not alright, it's not the end.

[Moulin Yarns]

Everything will be fine.

Or not, depending on your situation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47408789

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47403653

[Moulin Yarns]

I'd expand on that.

Everything will be alright in the end. And if it's not alright, it's not the end.

And if it's not the end, it is just the beginning :wink:

[JeMeSouviens]

What’s the worst case scenario ?

Short term: multiple day queues at Dover/Calais, panic buying, short shelf life medicine supplies disrupted and people die

Long term: take your pick from the final death of UK manufacturing and agriculture*, hundreds of thousands of job losses, lower environmental standards and workers' rights or a long term managed economic decline. Either way, Scotland will be among those experiencing the worst of the negative effects.


* Rees-Mogg's pet economist Patrick Minford on the car industry: "you are going to have to run it down ... in the same way we ran down the coal industry and steel industry. These things happen.”

[hibsbollah]

Short term: multiple day queues at Dover/Calais, panic buying, short shelf life medicine supplies disrupted and people die

Long term: take your pick from the final death of UK manufacturing and agriculture*, hundreds of thousands of job losses, lower environmental standards and workers' rights or a long term managed economic decline. Either way, Scotland will be among those experiencing the worst of the negative effects.


* Rees-Mogg's pet economist Patrick Minford on the car industry: "you are going to have to run it down ... in the same way we ran down the coal industry and steel industry. These things happen.”

Minford? Is he even still alive? I remember being forced to read his book as an undergraduate, trickle down economics for gullible idiots and Maggie, also known as the Chicago school. Took over the world until everyone realised it didn't actually work.

[JeMeSouviens]

Minford? Is he even still alive? I remember being forced to read his book as an undergraduate, trickle down economics for gullible idiots and Maggie, also known as the Chicago school. Took over the world until everyone realised it didn't actually work.

Yep, he is the lead voice in "Economists for Brexit" formerly "Economists for Free Trade" who are the supposed brains behind the Brexiteer ultras.

His record hasn't improved over the decades btw. He predicted a 20% fall in GDP and millions of job losses on the introduction of the minimum wage. :rolleyes:

[hibsbollah]

Yep, he is the lead voice in "Economists for Brexit" formerly "Economists for Free Trade" who are the supposed brains behind the Brexiteer ultras.

His record hasn't improved over the decades btw. He predicted a 20% fall in GDP and millions of job losses on the introduction of the minimum wage. :rolleyes:

Wow. I should really pay more attention to these people. Or probably not.

[Future17]

Yes. We're £33m out of pocket:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47414699

[ronaldo7]

Yes. We're £33m out of pocket:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47414699

Chris Grayling, and the tory government were told this would happen, and they'd be taken to court over the zombie ferries contract.

They laughed it off, and now the taxpayers are having to cover for his incompetence.

It's time he was gone.

[Dalianwanda]

Nothing much happening here (which is kind of concerning)..No clue on what it means for ROI..Were close enough to the border but I'm more concerned for my relatives in the north than I am about living here..Still havent got around to getting citizenship, price keeps putting it on the long finger.

[Colr]

Stockpiling flour and yeast.

[Mixu62]

Well my UK passport will be even more useless than it is now (over here), and I'll be travelling on my NZ one from now on. Some over here are hoping Brexit will lead to increased trade within the commonwealth, especially Aus & NZ. Any of our economic experts fancy addressing that one? NZ especially suffered a significant economic downturn when britain joined the EU in the first place, or so I'm told.

[Moulin Yarns]

Leave means leave, unless you are the chair of the Vote Leave campaign. :greengrin

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/nigel-lawson-to-quit-france-to-return-to-the-uk-1-5920438



(https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/nigel-lawson-to-quit-france-to-return-to-the-uk-1-5920438)

[Bob1875]

I'm in the process of trying to buy a new property, I'm finding myself checking prices on 5yr fixed mortgages rather than the obviously cheaper shorter term deals. I'm also worried about the timing of it because if I'm successful it looks like the sale will be finalised on or around the day we leave Europe.

My entry date for a Barratt home is 29th March. I’ve often though about it but I first started the process in October and that’s the date it’s ended up. Not sure if I should be worried or not. Probably not?

[Just Alf]

You will be 100% fine... Unless you've a solicitor on holiday that can't get back! :-)

It's our export market that's hit the skids. Sales to foriegn buyers have dried up until the duty situation is clarified. Someone could buy a widget for £xx just now and if delivery is after we leave then suddenly they could have an additional tax to pay on top.


Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

[lapsedhibee]

Well my UK passport will be even more useless than it is now (over here), and I'll be travelling on my NZ one from now on. Some over here are hoping Brexit will lead to increased trade within the commonwealth, especially Aus & NZ. Any of our economic experts fancy addressing that one? NZ especially suffered a significant economic downturn when britain joined the EU in the first place, or so I'm told.
That sounds right. When I was a lad I ate butter from New Zealand. After we joined the EU, which had a Butter Mountain, it was obviously more sensible just to hew small rectangular slabs off that, and wheech it through the Chunnel to the UK.

[JeMeSouviens]

Clearly this woman is now full on hoarding!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1IzMx_WkAAIdLj.jpg

[Fife-Hibee]

The housing bubble is not unburstable, it can only inflate so far until it reaches a limit and brexit may just be the pin tip required to help it on it's way. The housing market is the last thing I would be investing in right now.

[Hibrandenburg]

Clearly this woman is now full on hoarding!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1IzMx_WkAAIdLj.jpg

:faf: My German wife just said the same after watching the news clip.

[pollution]

With people reluctant to commit to holidays at the moment, one benefit is cheaper air fares.

A three hours flight to an airport in Spain was £301 last year, the same dates are £202 this year.

I wish I could find somewhere to stay!

[SHODAN]

We're holding off buying a house just now until we see what the market does. I guess that's fairly annoying.

There's also the issue of my partner having complete uncertainty about what rights she'll have in three weeks' time. But if you could vote in the referendum then you don't need to worry about that. :aok:

[Hibbyradge]

I bit the bullet a week or so ago and booked a week in Mallorca from April 1st.

We're going with Jet2 and it's only £151 each with 2 X 10kg hand luggage and 1 X 22kg suitcase.

Seaview hotel room with breakfast and a balcony, £388. Private car transfer £83.

£387 each for a buckshee week somewhere a wee bit warmer than the UK seems reasonable.

:dunno:

[BroxburnHibee]

I bit the bullet a week or so ago and booked a week in Mallorca from April 1st.

We're going with Jet2 and it's only £151 each with 2 X 10kg hand luggage and 1 X 22kg suitcase.

Seaview hotel room with breakfast and a balcony, £388. Private car transfer £83.

£387 each for a buckshee week somewhere a wee bit warmer than the UK seems reasonable.

:dunno:

This isn't the holiday thread.

:rules:

:greengrin

[Bangkok Hibby]

With people reluctant to commit to holidays at the moment, one benefit is cheaper air fares.

A three hours flight to an airport in Spain was £301 last year, the same dates are £202 this year.

I wish I could find somewhere to stay!

Right. Is that why my flights to BKK are a little dearer this year?

[Jack Hackett]

I bit the bullet a week or so ago and booked a week in Mallorca from April 1st.

We're going with Jet2 and it's only £151 each with 2 X 10kg hand luggage and 1 X 22kg suitcase.

Seaview hotel room with breakfast and a balcony, £388. Private car transfer £83.

£387 each for a buckshee week somewhere a wee bit warmer than the UK seems reasonable.

:dunno:

You've been mugged mate :greengrin

Off to Torremolinos next week for £38 rtn with BA (2x23kg cabin bags). 4 nights in a Luxury penthouse apartment (with 360 degree panoramic view of sea and mountains) for 200 euros https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/VacationRentalReview-g187440-d12220443-Spectacular_Penthouse_Atico_con_dos_terrazas_y_gra ndes_vistas-Torremolinos_Costa_del_.html
3 mins from the train station (direct from the airport) for 1.80 euros :spammy:


This isn't the holiday thread.

:rules:

:greengrin

Apologies, but I was feeling smug


Right. Is that why my flights to BKK are a little dearer this year?

Hate to break it to you bud, but Bangkok isn't part of the EU :greengrin

[.Sean.]

I’m a type 1 diabetic so it’s a bit of a worry that we don’t make a single drop of insulin in the UK, it’s all imported from Europe, and we tend to, well, die pretty rapidly without it.

Apart from that I’ve got my feet up............ :paranoid:
Exact same situation for myself. Sure it’s Denmark the majority of it is made however?

[Bangkok Hibby]

You've been mugged mate :greengrin

Off to Torremolinos next week for £38 rtn with BA (2x23kg cabin bags). 4 nights in a Luxury penthouse apartment (with 360 degree panoramic view of sea and mountains) for 200 euros https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/VacationRentalReview-g187440-d12220443-Spectacular_Penthouse_Atico_con_dos_terrazas_y_gra ndes_vistas-Torremolinos_Costa_del_.html
3 mins from the train station (direct from the airport) for 1.80 euros :spammy:



Apologies, but I was feeling smug



Hate to break it to you bud, but Bangkok isn't part of the EU :greengrin

Really 😃 Was meaning if the European flights were cheap just now maybe they're becoming scarce. Pushing up demand for longer haul flights. We all know demand doesnt mean cheaper when it comes to flights.

[pollution]

You've been mugged mate :greengrin

Off to Torremolinos next week for £38 rtn with BA (2x23kg cabin bags). 4 nights in a Luxury penthouse apartment (with 360 degree panoramic view of sea and mountains) for 200 euros https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/VacationRentalReview-g187440-d12220443-Spectacular_Penthouse_Atico_con_dos_terrazas_y_gra ndes_vistas-Torremolinos_Costa_del_.html
3 mins from the train station (direct from the airport) for 1.80 euros :spammy:



Apologies, but I was feeling smug



Hate to break it to you bud, but Bangkok isn't part of the EU :greengrin

Where did you find return flights for £38 return, may I ask?

[Jack Hackett]

Really 😃 Was meaning if the European flights were cheap just now maybe they're becoming scarce. Pushing up demand for longer haul flights. We all know demand doesnt mean cheaper when it comes to flights.

Absolutely right, supply and demand are kings with airlines. There's plenty of seats available to EU purely because people don't want to book amid the uncertainty. Some who would normally have headed for Spanish beaches have probably chosen further afield, so get ready for hoards of peely wally brits descending on sunny Pataya. The fewer the seats available, the higher the price will go. I thought I'd have a cheeky wee break last xmas on the CdS. Flights were in the region of £350... almost 10 times what I've paid.

[Jack Hackett]

Where did you find return flights for £38 return, may I ask?

BA had a huge sale in January for flights right through the summer... which was annoying, as I'd already booked my summer flights. Took advantage of the sale for a pre-brexit fag run

[Hibbyradge]

You've been mugged mate :greengrin

Off to Torremolinos next week for £38 rtn with BA (2x23kg cabin bags). 4 nights in a Luxury penthouse apartment (with 360 degree panoramic view of sea and mountains) for 200 euros https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/VacationRentalReview-g187440-d12220443-Spectacular_Penthouse_Atico_con_dos_terrazas_y_gra ndes_vistas-Torremolinos_Costa_del_.html
3 mins from the train station (direct from the airport) for 1.80 euros :spammy:



Apologies, but I was feeling smug



Hate to break it to you bud, but Bangkok isn't part of the EU :greengrin

4 nights?

Torremolinos?

And you think I've been mugged? :wink:

[Jack Hackett]

4 nights?

Torremolinos?

And you think I've been mugged? :wink:


:na na:

[Hibbyradge]

:na na:

The good news is that, after tonight's votes, the £ is gaining against the €.

:aok:

[Jack Hackett]

The good news is that, after tonight's votes, the £ is gaining against the €.

:aok:

:agree: It's fair climbing

https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/best-exchange-rates/convert/best-pound-to-euro-exchange-rate

Scroll down for the graph... soon be highest for a couple of years :greengrin

Footnote... makes the fag run a bit extraneous, but a bit of sunshine and tapas will be welcome

[Hibbyradge]

:agree: It's fair climbing

https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/best-exchange-rates/convert/best-pound-to-euro-exchange-rate

Scroll down for the graph... soon be highest for a couple of years :greengrin

Footnote... makes the fag run a bit extraneous, but a bit of sunshine and tapas will be welcome

It makes the fag run even better, no?

[Jack Hackett]

It makes the fag run even better, no?

On reflection, it's back to being necessary as a short 3 month extension would fall on the day of my next trip out, 30th June. I'll be going out as European, but coming back as non EU and subject to rest of the world duty allowances

[hibsbollah]

Mrs Bollah is doing a reverse Declan Rice and getting Irish citizenship and EU passport. This took me completely by surprise; she has a Granny from county Antrim who died twenty odd years ago and never really gets discussed. She travels about a lot and this will make things a lot easier, if your identity isn't shaped by what nationality you are on a piece of paper it makes perfect sense.

[PeeJay]

Renewed my British passport online 2 weeks ago and received it from DHL today! Despite claims in the media that it would probably not have the words "European Union" on it - it does, so pleased about that! Probably just beat the cut-off date for applicaions which will then be processed wihout "European Union"

[lapsedhibee]

Renewed my British passport online 2 weeks ago and received it from DHL today! Despite claims in the media that it would probably not have the words "European Union" on it - it does, so pleased about that! Probably just beat the cut-off date for applicaions which will then be processed wihout "European Union"




Yes, quite a few reports of people being 'outraged' 'appalled' etc at getting passports with or without EU markings, according to whatever Brexit/Anti-Brexit trench they're in. I got passport dated 2 April, so after due leaving date but while we're still actually in the EU, it has EU markings and I find myself profoundly undecided about what emotion to feel.

Don't think it's about cut-off dates, though, it's about using up existing stocks in different issuing offices around the country.

[PeeJay]

Yes, quite a few reports of people being 'outraged' 'appalled' etc at getting passports with or without EU markings, according to whatever Brexit/Anti-Brexit trench they're in. I got passport dated 2 April, so after due leaving date but while we're still actually in the EU, it has EU markings and I find myself profoundly undecided about what emotion to feel.

Don't think it's about cut-off dates, though, it's about using up existing stocks in different issuing offices around the country.

Yeah - well I'm chuffed anyway, so you can tell what camp I'm in ...:greengrin

[Dalianwanda]

Today i’m away to swap my uk drivers license for an Irish one....baby steps

[lapsedhibee]

Yeah - well I'm chuffed anyway, so you can tell what camp I'm in ...:greengrin

Puzzle for me is why whoever ordered the new stock, without EU markings, ordered burgundy rather than blue. Did they suspect that, when the whole sorry Brexit project collapsed, the UK would be that little bit less of a laughing stock if people were walking around with still-burgundy passports than with newly-blue passports, I wonder? :dunno:

[PeeJay]

Puzzle for me is why whoever ordered the new stock, without EU markings, ordered burgundy rather than blue. Did they suspect that, when the whole sorry Brexit project collapsed, the UK would be that little bit less of a laughing stock if people were walking around with still-burgundy passports than with newly-blue passports, I wonder? :dunno:


... think the company that produces the new UK passports is a French one ... :sauzee:

[lapsedhibee]

... think the company that produces the new UK passports is a French one ... :sauzee:

Typical European behaviour then, pretending not to have any blue ink/dye just to frustrate the will of the British people. After Mark Francois's dad saved you anaw.

[Jack Hackett]

Yeah - well I'm chuffed anyway, so you can tell what camp I'm in ...:greengrin

:tee hee:

I got renewed in November, so I'm alright too Jack :greengrin


Puzzle for me is why whoever ordered the new stock, without EU markings, ordered burgundy rather than blue. Did they suspect that, when the whole sorry Brexit project collapsed, the UK would be that little bit less of a laughing stock if people were walking around with still-burgundy passports than with newly-blue passports, I wonder? :dunno:

Not to worry... Poundland's got it covered https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/8515576/poundland-is-launching-blue-and-red-passport-covers-ahead-of-brexit/

Chancers! :greengrin

[GreenLake]

https://medium.com/bleeding-into-reality/simplicity-the-hubris-of-brexit-7348e716140a