Players Backing Lennon

[blackpoolhibs]

A number of people, including me, have pointed out that they wanted Lennon to stay, but he wasn't sacked for our team's poor league placing or performance.

He was suspended for doing something(s) not directly related to those issues. Just like Stokes was.

You don't seem to accept that and I suppose that's your perogative, but don't be surprised that others think you're wrong.
https://www.slideshare.net/ziobrando/pissing-against-the-wind

[IngolstadtHarry]

A number of people, including me, have pointed out that they wanted Lennon to stay, but he wasn't sacked for our team's poor league placing or performance.

He was suspended for doing something(s) not directly related to those issues. Just like Stokes was.

You don't seem to accept that and I suppose that's your perogative, but don't be surprised that others think you're wrong.

Well, the pretext was that he may or may not have shouted at a player. Or he may or may not have used a homophobic insult or he may or may not have simply been a very naughty boy.
But all of that is conjecture. It was decided to get rid of him at an extremely inconvenient time, and probably at a substantial cost, so here we are - back at the revolving door.

[IngolstadtHarry]

So we can’t judge a managers worth or performance over half a season but we can judge a players?

I'd say neither

[Hibbyradge]

Well, the pretext was that he may or may not have shouted at a player. Or he may or may not have used a homophobic insult or he may or may not have simply been a very naughty boy.
But all of that is conjecture. It was decided to get rid of him at an extremely inconvenient time, and probably at a substantial cost, so here we are - back at the revolving door.

So what are you saying? :confused:

Is his behaviour irrelevant because it's inconvenient?

Should our club allow its head coach to do what he feels like because we're in a transfer window and because he supposedly has some naked ambition?

Don't you think that's a bit hypocritical of Lennon given that he sacked Stokes for his behaviour?

Serious question, is there anything you would have sacked him for?

[IngolstadtHarry]

So what are you saying? :confused:

1. Is his behaviour irrelevant because it's inconvenient?

2. Should our club allow its head coach to do what he feels like because we're in a transfer window and because he supposedly has some naked ambition?

3. Don't you think that's a bit hypocritical of Lennon given that he sacked Stokes for his behaviour?

4. Serious question, is there anything you would have sacked him for?

1. He is a naughty boy - but we already knew that. It's less relevant than the burden of ending the transfer window without a manager, beginning the search for someone more compliant, paying a whack of compo in order to get Lennon to agree to the preposterous tissue of lies which comprised the 'official statement'.

2. No, but many of us would forgive some 'indiscretions' as a trade-off for success on the field. As an example, Stokes wasn't ever exactly a model professional - even during the time leading up to the cup final.

3. We don't know what Lennon did - I presume that he didn't set off any fire extinguishers in the boardroom. ;-)

4. Yes, certainly - but I will admit that I would be bending over backwards to avoid a sacking situation if I felt that a maverick manager (or even player) was important for achieving success (or avoiding failure) in a running season.
But that's just me - I'm not in favour of judging people on a few months results - especially when their previous record is positive.

[Hibbyradge]

He wasn't judged or stacked for his results. No matter how many times you say that, it's never going to become true.

Secondly, Hibs' statement said, "The suspension, put in place to allow an internal review, was lifted by the club as part of this agreement".

The suspension was lifted as part of the agreement.

I'm not sure what that suggests to you, but it tells me that Hibs lifted the suspension only when NL agreed to sign the joint statement.

I'm certain that no compensation will have been paid.

[matty_f]

That sounds a little paranoid - especially since I made no such generalisation.
Some users, some admins, perhaps.

"The usual suspects"

[IngolstadtHarry]

It's been nice, folks, but I have to go and make my tea - it's 7.30 pm in Germany and I'm famished.
Let's just agree to disagree about the Lennon fiasco. ;-)

[Captain Trips]

I dislike these types of posts the "there really is no excuse" type of stuff..

Football is about people, humans, decisions.nuance, art with a bit of science - It's inconsistent. it's the reason I love it.

You never balance your points by noting his achievements the two years in succession prior, Semi Finals, Championships, Good position in the top league, Record points total, European successes..

You focus only on the negative of this season. You don't even acknowledge that 15 games or so ago we were second having won 4 in the bounce..Do you feel Lennon would be happy with where we are now? He'd be more frustrated and analytical about it than any of us. He has admitted that summer recruitment didn't work. He also acknowledged that at times he has not got it right. He would also balance it by noting the lack of performance from a number of players who he could rely on when things where going well. You give him no chance of turning it around, yet (I'm assuming) think some unknown manager will do better.

Hibs are 8th because collectively we were not good enough - the board, the recruitment team, the manager, the coaches and the players. I can't understand those who now seek to demonise Lennon's performance when very few people at the club (if any) can say they were performing at their best this season. We (Hibs) have to address this - across the board.


The good things were commented on at time as are the bad things? If you need to remind me of the good things which were last season then does this not tell you something? Who is demonising him? He has been poor this season and thats the bottom line. Record points total are of no use now how long do you get to use this to allow a poor follow on season? If he stayed and we finished 8th would that be ok because 2 seasons previous he did xyz. Do you allow the following season the same? He has us 2nd at one point well so did Duff Jimmy.

Please do not tell I do not balance my views I fully understand he did well and said so plenty of times and I am a big supporter of NL. I just think there beomes a time when the good achievements cant keep being a pass.

Let me be clear I said a few weeks ago I wanted NL to turn this around I believed he would but for me he has let the club down and as we were 8th I feel that its not the end of world to lose him.

[Lago]

Well, the pretext was that he may or may not have shouted at a player. Or he may or may not have used a homophobic insult or he may or may not have simply been a very naughty boy.
But all of that is conjecture. It was decided to get rid of him at an extremely inconvenient time, and probably at a substantial cost, so here we are - back at the revolving door.
Not according to hibbyrage everything is a fact !!

[Hibbyradge]

Not according to hibbyrage everything is a fact !!

:hilarious

That's a very interesting interpretation of what I've said.

[matty_f]

:hilarious

That's a very interesting interpretation of what I've said.

You're being hounded for not following the narrative. Or something.

[Hibbyradge]

You're being hounded for not following the narrative. Or something.

Right enough.

What do I do now?

I know, I'm off to start a Twitter account.

#oldfogiesinthehuff

[Captain Trips]

The post directly above this one is yet another mentioning the 8th position as a mark of failure.
A manager shouldn't be judged by results up to January.
Not ignored - but accepted as a work-in-progress.

I will judge a manager when we are miles off the pace, if we were 2nd we would be judging him very positevly so would you feel the same then? Would you say we should not judge him then?

It seems ok to judge people earlier if doing ok and far more questionable to criticise if not doing ok over same amount of games.

[BlackSheep]

Stop it, FFS.

Now you're saying that he'd found a rough diamond but wasn't given the money to recruit him.

You should write books, mate. With that imagination you'd be a huge success.

No I’m not saying that, i’m attempting to answer your unanswerable question of “how much to replace SJM?”

I forgot you’re not great with the nuances of less than straightforward responses...

The cost of replacing SJM depends on whether we were replacing him with a well known ready made box to box MF or with someone who isn’t that well known but has been found to display similar attributes to SJM. Either way said player will cost what his current team wants to sell to us for!

[Hibbyradge]

I forgot you’re not great with the nuances of less than straightforward responses...

That was another unnecessary and cheap insult. I thought it was the company line guys that were doing the hounding.




The cost of replacing SJM depends on whether we were replacing him with a well known ready made box to box MF or with someone who isn’t that well known but has been found to display similar attributes to SJM. Either way said player will cost what his current team wants to sell to us for!

You said that Hibs would force the manager to develop a younger player rather than spend the necessary cash to recruit a ready made one.

My point, if you read between the lines, is that it would be expensive to do that.

Again, you have no idea what Hibs have been trying to do, but you eagerly grab the negative.

You've also ignored the fact that we've recruited Omeonga who comes with the reputation of being a ready made box to box midfielder.

[CockneyRebel]

So we can’t judge a managers worth or performance over half a season but we can judge a players?

Stokes wasn't judged as a player he was judged as being undisciplined and a bad influence. You can only take the p*ss for so long.

[The 90+2]

Stokes wasn't judged as a player he was judged as being undisciplined and a bad influence. You can only take the p*ss for so long.

Same can apply for a manager regardless of being a “winner”

[ozwoody]

Here’s a link to the interview with Jamie regarding Hibs and his move to Melbourne City:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/jamie-maclaren-says-he-couldnt-pass-up-the-opportunity-to-join-melbourne-city/news-story/90bc3917f8cb0f09b36d22a42e744111

[Hibbyradge]

Here’s a link to the interview with Jamie regarding Hibs and his move to Melbourne City:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/jamie-maclaren-says-he-couldnt-pass-up-the-opportunity-to-join-melbourne-city/news-story/90bc3917f8cb0f09b36d22a42e744111

I wonder what he means about wishing the transfer had been completed sooner.

Also, does he mean he would have stayed at Hibs if NL hadn't been sacked or was it the circumstances that led to his sacking that made him leave.

As with this whole saga, nothing is clear.

[Lago]

You're being hounded for not following the narrative. Or something.
Pals

[matty_f]

Pals

:faf:

[Velma Dinkley]

Jamie wasn't happy in Germany, didn't seem happy in Scotland and I wouldn't be surprised if he's not happy playing in Australia in six months or so.

[Lago]

Jamie wasn't happy in Germany, didn't seem happy in Scotland and I wouldn't be surprised if he's not happy playing in Australia in six months or so.

Sometimes it's hard as a footballer to settle in various environments. A good friend of mine played for Penecuik Raith & Dun Utd. Ended his career playing in Melbourne & Perth. When he finished I remember him telling me his best time was at Starks Park the rest he was always wishing to be somewhere else, never really happy.

[bigwheel]

The good things were commented on at time as are the bad things? If you need to remind me of the good things which were last season then does this not tell you something? Who is demonising him? He has been poor this season and thats the bottom line. Record points total are of no use now how long do you get to use this to allow a poor follow on season? If he stayed and we finished 8th would that be ok because 2 seasons previous he did xyz. Do you allow the following season the same? He has us 2nd at one point well so did Duff Jimmy.

Please do not tell I do not balance my views I fully understand he did well and said so plenty of times and I am a big supporter of NL. I just think there beomes a time when the good achievements cant keep being a pass.

Let me be clear I said a few weeks ago I wanted NL to turn this around I believed he would but for me he has let the club down and as we were 8th I feel that its not the end of world to lose him.

Thanks for replying ...appreciate the discussion

It feels like many people , yourself included, are happy that Lennon has gone . Yet, I notice you say that as recently as a few weeks ago you wanted him to stay and turn it around

I can understand the nervousness after such a poor 3 months of results - it is indeed an appalling points total .. simply put, I felt he had enough track record to be given a chance to rectify - clearly your patience had run out ..

What I find hard to understand is the “ Lennon was bad, the club were good” type of argument that seems to have emerged . It’s so black and white . As I said earlier. None of the people at the club can be happy with their contribution this season . I fee they all need to step up . Doing so with a new manager has as much risk as opportunity- I still wish they had waited until season end to make the change

[Captain Trips]

Thanks for replying ...appreciate the discussion

It feels like many people , yourself included, are happy that Lennon has gone . Yet, I notice you say that as recently as a few weeks ago you wanted him to stay and turn it around

I can understand the nervousness after such a poor 3 months of results - it is indeed an appalling points total .. simply put, I felt he had enough track record to be given a chance to rectify - clearly your patience had run out ..

What I find hard to understand is the “ Lennon was bad, the club were good” type of argument that seems to have emerged . It’s so black and white . As I said earlier. None of the people at the club can be happy with their contribution this season . I fee they all need to step up . Doing so with a new manager has as much risk as opportunity- I still wish they had waited until season end to make the change

A few weeks ago I was happy for him to get us out of it but not now. He has let the club down. Let's not go round and round on what went on with why he went. I do not blame anyone else but him and players for our poor position.

[bigwheel]

A few weeks ago I was happy for him to get us out of it but not now. He has let the club down. Let's not go round and round on what went on with why he went. I do not blame anyone else but him and players for our poor position.

Out of interest - what makes you think he has let the club down ? I’ve not heard anything that suggest that ..but you may have

[BILLYHIBS]

Jamie wasn't happy in Germany, didn't seem happy in Scotland and I wouldn't be surprised if he's not happy playing in Australia in six months or so.
He must have been happy here in his first season scoring goals for fun or he would never have agreed to return besides his parents live in Edinburgh and according to reports coming in from Australia he thought Lenny was a brilliant Coach. :greengrin

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I'm not on twitter for this very reason.

Irvine Welsh's books are pretty good, I enjoy reading them. I like the way footballers play football, musicians make music and actors act.

I have no desire whatsoever to hear their opinions on politics or see pictures of their dinner.

Most people are different these days. Getting a brief acknowledgment from a celebrity via a thumbs up or whatever can make their week, another week that their grandparents get closer to the grave without anyone bothering their arse going to see them.

And if I want the opinion of a Hibs supporter I'll come on here.

(Apologies for the brief diversion - everyone just carry on).

11 out of 10, what a fine post.

[matty_f]

Thanks for replying ...appreciate the discussion

It feels like many people , yourself included, are happy that Lennon has gone . Yet, I notice you say that as recently as a few weeks ago you wanted him to stay and turn it around

I can understand the nervousness after such a poor 3 months of results - it is indeed an appalling points total .. simply put, I felt he had enough track record to be given a chance to rectify - clearly your patience had run out ..

What I find hard to understand is the “ Lennon was bad, the club were good” type of argument that seems to have emerged . It’s so black and white . As I said earlier. None of the people at the club can be happy with their contribution this season . I fee they all need to step up . Doing so with a new manager has as much risk as opportunity- I still wish they had waited until season end to make the change

Good post, I agree with it.

[The 90+2]

I wonder what he means about wishing the transfer had been completed sooner.

Also, does he mean he would have stayed at Hibs if NL hadn't been sacked or was it the circumstances that led to his sacking that made him leave.

As with this whole saga, nothing is clear.

Scott Burns reported early doors in the window McLarens agent had been sounding out clubs early on while in the Asian Cup about a move back “probably” because of the circumstances at the club under Lennon. There’s no way (in my opinion) he moved back to Australia on a whim because Lennon quit/sacked/left.

[Hibbyradge]

Scott Burns reported early doors in the window McLarens agent had been sounding out clubs early on while in the Asian Cup about a move back “probably” because of the circumstances at the club under Lennon. There’s no way (in my opinion) he moved back to Australia on a whim because Lennon quit/sacked/left.

No, I don't think so either.

Was that "probably" bit actually said by Burns?

[Is It On....]

[QUOTE=BlackSheep;5696970]Of course, but the moneymen will never take a risk and speculate to accumulate.


They certainly did that with McLeish and we ended up in deep doo doo. If we filled the stadium for every match then that could increase investment. Nobody looking for a return on their investment puts money into football. The big EPL clubs have investors that want the publicity and kudos associated with football events and actually have money to throw away on their toys (Abramovic at Chelsea springs to mind) You could maybe make money by rescuing a big name club for a small purchase price and building it up (i.e. Fergus McCann at Celtic) then sell up. I don't think there is much in the way of dividends for shareholders in any football club.

Totally agree. Since the early 90s Hibs, Celtic, Rangers and Hearts have been close to bankruptcy with Aberdeen's debts being written off by a wealthy benefactor. Throw in problems at Motherwell, Dunfermline, Dundee, Livingston, etc it's fair to say that a number of our main teams have "invested" heavily and failed to ultimately balance the books. For all the criticism of our lack of ambition, Steve Clarke and his budget at Kilmarnock is the ultimate retort to the lack of ambition accusation. Why has he done so much better, on a lower budget, than other clubs / managers on a higher budget - I would love to know the reason why!!

[Captain Trips]

Out of interest - what makes you think he has let the club down ? I’ve not heard anything that suggest that ..but you may have

That LD somebody who has done nothing but been fully professional in her role thus far vs Somebody whom has eluded to quiting on occasion. I will therefore "assume" LD has acted accordingly as I have not seen anything else from her to suggest otherwise.

I therefore conclude NL has done something worthy of being suspended then to leave rather than say LD has taken leave of her senses. So Neil IMO has let the club down.

[Hibees1973]

You would expect the players to say that they miss Lennon and acknowledge the job he did.

With Lennon’s record at a Hibs the next manager does have big shoes to fill.

Given the vast majority of the squad were signings by Lennon and it appears from the Hibs statement that Lennon did little wrong, there is huge pressure on the board to make the correct appointment.

Season ticket sales could plummet if the new manager does not make a good start which will have a huge bearing on transfers come summer.

[The 90+2]

No, I don't think so either.

Was that "probably" bit actually said by Burns?

Nah I was assuming and you know what that does 👍

[The 90+2]

You would expect the players to say that they miss Lennon and acknowledge the job he did.

With Lennon’s record at a Hibs the next manager does have big shoes to fill.

Given the vast majority of the squad were signings by Lennon and it appears from the Hibs statement that Lennon did little wrong, there is huge pressure on the board to make the correct appointment.

Season ticket sales could plummet if the new manager does not make a good start which will have a huge bearing on transfers come summer.

Who’s said they miss Lennon? (Players not his fan club)

[HibeeHibernian4]

I can understand the nervousness after such a poor 3 months of results - it is indeed an appalling points total .. simply put, I felt he had enough track record to be given a chance to rectify - clearly your patience had run out

Lennon's 'track record' in football has never seen him get a side out of a tight spot. At Celtic and Hibs, he found himself at clubs riding the crest of a wave. He did nothing of real note at Celtic in his first 18 months, and then the 2011/12, 2012/13 and 2013/14 titles were practically handed to him with Rangers' liquidation. He arrived at a Hibs who had just won their first Scottish Cup in 114 years and were facing a very winnable Championship season ahead. And with Bolton, it was an impossible job that he essentially had a free hit at given their eye-watering levels of debt.

There has never been a (footballing) setback or downturn in form in Neil Lennon's managerial career that he has overcome. A great manager to have around when things are going well, but has yet to prove himself capable of rescuing things when they go south.

[bigwheel]

That LD somebody who has done nothing but been fully professional in her role thus far vs Somebody whom has eluded to quiting on occasion. I will therefore "assume" LD has acted accordingly as I have not seen anything else from her to suggest otherwise.

I therefore conclude NL has done something worthy of being suspended then to leave rather than say LD has taken leave of her senses. So Neil IMO has let the club down.

I understand why people want to support LD and the club - only natural...Lots of assumptions in there though. None of us are clear as to what Lennon did, or if LD handled it well...I'll support the team at Parkhead but remain neutral on that one. thanks though, thought perhaps I had missed something.


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[Captain Trips]

I understand why people want to support LD and the club - only natural...Lots of assumptions in there though. None of us are clear as to what Lennon did, or if LD handled it well...I'll support the team at Parkhead but remain neutral on that one. thanks though, thought perhaps I had missed something.


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I'm not supporting anyone on balance on what I have seen of both parties I favour LD as acting accordingly and based on NL I would doubt if nothing occurred he would not have accepted suspension etc etc.

[bigwheel]

Lennon's 'track record' in football has never seen him get a side out of a tight spot. At Celtic and Hibs, he found himself at clubs riding the crest of a wave. He did nothing of real note at Celtic in his first 18 months, and then the 2011/12, 2012/13 and 2013/14 titles were practically handed to him with Rangers' liquidation. He arrived at a Hibs who had just won their first Scottish Cup in 114 years and were facing a very winnable Championship season ahead. And with Bolton, it was an impossible job that he essentially had a free hit at given their eye-watering levels of debt.

There has never been a (footballing) setback or downturn in form in Neil Lennon's managerial career that he has overcome. A great manager to have around when things are going well, but has yet to prove himself capable of rescuing things when they go south.

The narrative is a lot more nuanced than that....taking Bolton from bottom of the league to avoiding relegation in his first season doesn't count? It was far from a straight forward run...how about Taking Celtic from a poor league start to winning the double against us in 2012? He may not have turned it around here - we will never know...three months ago he was a top class manager - it seems that is the window many fans give managers now...hero to zero in 12+ games..

My man point is how quick people are taking sides here..yet, we have little real knowledge of what's gone on.




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[madhatter]

We need to put all this to bed tbh. Lennon should have walked/been sacked after the Hearts game last season. Virtually the same players played in every single match last season and you could tell they were trying their hardest and yet Lennon criticised them and said "he needed to review his position". I still remember Bartley's reaction to finding out what Lennon had said...

I think that was the beginning of the end. His temperament has been a bit on/off since then and he's now left and we can get on with things.

One thing is for certain, forgetting the suspension and the mutual consent, this, meaning Lennon leaving Hibs, was coming. We needed a reset/reboot. People talk about Lennon giving them their club back. It wasn't Lennon for me, it was Stubbs and the team of players he assembled that eventually won the cup. That's the strongest connection I've had with Hibs, not Lennon's reign. It's your McGinns, McGeouchs, Fontaines (doing the media stuff and creating songs), and all the other players that went beyond the confines of being a footballer.

People on here and elsewhere have stated being "bored of Hibs" and similar sentiments since the start of this season. Right or wrong, Lennon was part of that. Right or wrong, Leeann and the club have taken action based on something we have no concrete knowledge about. Never base your opinion on the media though, Maclaren said nothing like "Lennon was sacked and that's why I left". Anti-Hibs media coverage is in full force at the moment.

[Captain Trips]

The narrative is a lot more nuanced than that....taking Bolton from bottom of the league to avoiding relegation in his first season doesn't count? It was far from a straight forward run...how about Taking Celtic from a poor league start to winning the double against us in 2012? He may not have turned it around here - we will never know...three months ago he was a top class manager - it seems that is the window many fans give managers now...hero to zero in 12+ games..

My man point is how quick people are taking sides here..yet, we have little real knowledge of what's gone on.




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It's not hero to zero its about him being suspended if you have not formed any sort of opinion as we have no facts then fine. I have formed an opinion on the people involved our league position and where we are today. I'm let down by him.

So tell me how long do you hold onto previous achievements to allow what goes on now. Stubbs won the cup so let's say he stayed and it was clear the following season we were not going up is that OK and give him break for not going up?

[HibeeHibernian4]

The narrative is a lot more nuanced than that....taking Bolton from bottom of the league to avoiding relegation in his first season doesn't count? It was far from a straight forward run...how about Taking Celtic from a poor league start to winning the double against us in 2012? He may not have turned it around here - we will never know...three months ago he was a top class manager - it seems that is the window many fans give managers now...hero to zero in 12+ games..

My man point is how quick people are taking sides here..yet, we have little real knowledge of what's gone on.

He has never, at any point in his time at Easter Road, been a 'top class manager'. He had a team playing very well from late January until early August in 2018. Besides that, it was a managerial spell that ranged from above average to downright mediocre.

There's no 'hero to zero' about this for me, he was never a hero and he's not a zero now.

[Hibbyradge]

We need to put all this to bed tbh. Lennon should have walked/been sacked after the Hearts game last season. Virtually the same players played in every single match last season and you could tell they were trying their hardest and yet Lennon criticised them and said "he needed to review his position". I still remember Bartley's reaction to finding out what Lennon had said...

I think that was the beginning of the end. His temperament has been a bit on/off since then and he's now left and we can get on with things.

One thing is for certain, forgetting the suspension and the mutual consent, this, meaning Lennon leaving Hibs, was coming. We needed a reset/reboot. People talk about Lennon giving them their club back. It wasn't Lennon for me, it was Stubbs and the team of players he assembled that eventually won the cup. That's the strongest connection I've had with Hibs, not Lennon's reign. It's your McGinns, McGeouchs, Fontaines (doing the media stuff and creating songs), and all the other players that went beyond the confines of being a footballer.

People on here and elsewhere have stated being "bored of Hibs" and similar sentiments since the start of this season. Right or wrong, Lennon was part of that. Right or wrong, Leeann and the club have taken action based on something we have no concrete knowledge about. Never base your opinion on the media though, Maclaren said nothing like "Lennon was sacked and that's why I left". Anti-Hibs media coverage is in full force at the moment.

I agree with your thoughts.

It's never struck me before, but your "bored with Hibs" comments have resonated a bit.

It's expensive for me to follow Hibs. Last Saturday, for example, cost me £106 and that's before food and peev. However, early season, I was going to a load of games, including Tripolis away followed by Motherwell at home on the Sunday.

However, my attendance tapered off unconsciously and Saturday was the first game for a few months.

I'm no glory hunter, but because I'm 200 miles away, it's not always easy to summon the motivation to travel and cough up the cash.

If we'd been playing better and getting the results, I'd probably have been to more games.

[One Day Soon]

I think it would be really helpful if we could give all this Dempster good/Lennon bad and Lennon good/Dempster bad endless circular bickering a rest.

It's not going to change anything, people on either side and in the middle aren't going to change their minds and we should be focused on ****ting ourselves that we don't have a manager and need one quickly.

This season is pretty much ****ed but next season isn't - yet. For me the most important thing ahead now is trying to keep the season ticket sales up high and that means trying to put a run together between now and the end of the season (including the cup) so that we end the season with a really positive vibe going into the summer.

If we don't do that we'll struggle to see decent crowds and good season ticket sales. All of that depends on getting a good Head Coach in and getting a buzz back. All this negativity and thread guerilla warfare isn't going to help that.

[The Modfather]

He has never, at any point in his time at Easter Road, been a 'top class manager'. He had a team playing very well from late January until early August in 2018. Besides that, it was a managerial spell that ranged from above average to downright mediocre.

There's no 'hero to zero' about this for me, he was never a hero and he's not a zero now.

While I’d Probably use a slightly less harsh tone, I agree with the gist of your first paragraph.

IMO, Lennon did a lot of good things, he had the likes of Hanlon, Stevenson, McGinn etc all playing at their best and most consistent level last season. His record against the Old Firm, especially Rangers, was particularly impressive. As well as the joy and exitment of watching the post January run in last season.

He also had negatives as well, his record against Aberdeen, St Johnstone & at Tynecastle is really poor. His signings in the main were poor and/or short term IMO. He was also quick to call players out, sometimes merited, but his threatening of Kamberi in particular looked like bullying, particularly when he wasn’t as quick with any self criticism.

I view his time as one above average season that was tough to watch (championship), one excellent season we didn’t want to end (last season) and one rudderless shambolic season (this season).

Lennon is a talented manager, but he’s not the irreplaceable “winner” we hear a lot off. He leaves us in a better place than he took over but he had taken us as far as he could post McGinn IMO, who was as important as any other individual, be it Stubbs, Lennon or Dempster, to our recent success. McGinn is the one individual I’ll probably still remember most vividly from this era and I don’t think Stubbs, Lennon or Dempster would have achieved quite the same without him.

[HibeeHibernian4]

I view his time as one above average season that was tough to watch (championship), one excellent season we didn’t want to end (last season) and one rudderless shambolic season (this season).

Lennon is a talented manager, but he’s not the irreplaceable “winner” we hear a lot off. He leaves us in a better place than he took over but he had taken us as far as he could post McGinn IMO, who was as important as any other individual, be it Stubbs, Lennon or Dempster, to our recent success. McGinn is the one individual I’ll probably still remember most vividly from this era and I don’t think Stubbs, Lennon or Dempster would have achieved quite the same without him.

Sums it up perfectly for me.

[Rogic29]

Well he's not going to come out and say 'I left because I scored 1 goal in 600 minutes of football this season', is he? Like most Aussies who give Europe a crack they go running as soon as the going gets tough, instead of trying to improve his game and play at a higher standard he can make more money in his own country scoring goals for fun. It's a shame, but when you're one of the highest played players at the club and playing as a striker and you have less goals than David Gray this season (who's only played 45 minutes more) then him moving was probably the best for both parties.

[greenpaper55]

I suppose the proof of the pudding will be if NL gets another gig after what was allegedly said, the footballing world is a small community and i'm sure what went on at EM will be widely known.

[The 90+2]

I suppose the proof of the pudding will be if NL gets another gig after what was allegedly said, the footballing world is a small community and i'm sure what went on at EM will be widely known.

I genuinely believe he will end up in the LOI and be happy enough with it.

[Northernhibee]

I genuinely believe he will end up in the LOI and be happy enough with it.
Wouldn’t shock me if he followed Stokes and went to manage in one of the high money emerging leagues.

[The 90+2]

Wouldn’t shock me if he followed Stokes and went to manage in one of the high money emerging leagues.


Good call, would be able to keep his punditry with BEIN sports or the like also. Good luck to him whatever he sits out to do. :agree: