2 up top!!!

[BlackSheep]

Game changed when we put 2 up top.... and Shaw's doubters need to quiet down, 1 goal and 2 assists... good on you lad.

Lets hope we start with 2 up top next week.

Onwards and upwards his, let the past die, kill it if you have to!! :wink:

[allmodcons]

Game changed when we put 2 up top.... and Shaw's doubters need to quiet down, 1 goal and 2 assists... good on you lad.

Lets hope we start with 2 up top next week.

Onwards and upwards his, let the past die, kill it if you have to!! :wink:

Agreed, we looked much better playing with 2 up front.

IMO Kamberi isn't suited to lone strikers role.

[SeanWilson]

Game changed when we put 2 up top.... and Shaw's doubters need to quiet down, 1 goal and 2 assists... good on you lad.

Lets hope we start with 2 up top next week.

Onwards and upwards his, let the past die, kill it if you have to!! :wink:IMO, that wasn't the only fix. Giving Gauld a kind of undisciplined free role hampered him and everyone else. This team needs a structure and the players need to know their roles. The difference in having a second outlet up top was so clear to see though [emoji106]

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[hibee-boys]

What is concerning is that it took an injury to Horgan to force the change to the system. I could not believe that they'd persisted with the formation, was it a nod to Lennon perhaps? Let's not kid ourseleves we were awful until this change. I really hope we bin this lone striker system for the rest of the season.

[Tyler Durden]

I think the issue with one up front is that the midfielders don’t get in the box to support enough.

I think Kamberi could actually play wide left with Shaw up front and we’d look more threatening. But overall the diamond and two up does look the best balance for now to get the best out of this squad

[cammy1969]

We look a far better team with 2 up and keeping the ball on the deck


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[lyonhibs]

Football is a simple game made complicated by idiots, as someone once said.

2 up top is an absolute non negotiable now for me.

[BlackSheep]

My preferred team with this all in mind is this:-

Marciano

Gray
McGregor
Milligan
Hanlon
Whittaker/ Mackie

Mallan
Slivka
Gauld

Shaw
Kamberi

Think this would work if Milligan is instructed to play as a centre back but to fill the midfield as a DM when needs be, this would let the remaining 4 defenders form a solid back 4, Milligan should drop back into defence when either of the full backs make movements forward.

What I’m getting at is a flexible 532 / 352

Yes I know a lot of you hate the 3 at the back but think of it more as a 5 at the back with support from the defence when attacking.

We have no real natural wodth at the moment so let’s olay our 3 CMs as CMs! If the keep it compact and work together then it could work.

This leaves 2 up top to drag the opposition defence around and create space for the midfielders to okay passes into or to drive forward and take shots.

All the talk of needing a box to box midfielder... yes it would be great but if we can just link the play from DF to MF to FW then we would see improvement... we are a fantastic footballing side when we actually play football!!!

[SChibs]

Game changed when we put 2 up top.... and Shaw's doubters need to quiet down, 1 goal and 2 assists... good on you lad.

Lets hope we start with 2 up top next week.

Onwards and upwards his, let the past die, kill it if you have to!! :wink:

He scores important goals. Equalisers against St Johnstone away and 2 vs St Mirren now. Showed today he's a valuable member of the squad

[BlackSheep]

He scores important goals. Equalisers against St Johnstone away and 2 vs St Mirren now. Showed today he's a valuable member of the squad

He is a confidence player... just look at his form in the Dev league the past few years... when he scores he keeps on scoring... the only way he will continue to do so is to keep playing.

[Smartie]

During the second half we stumbled across a shape that suits our players and has was mentioned elsewhere, had round pegs in round holes.

Flo can't play up front on his own, neither can Shaw.

Mallan needs to play in an advanced position.

Slivka can't play wide.

3 CBs and Bartley has never really worked.


Not sure where that leaves Horgan, Agyepong or Boyle (other than the treatment table) but our team should pick itself from here.

Gauld will probably be key to this and whilst I thought he'd be an attacking player I think his ability to take the ball under pressure from the defence will be important. Mallan is dreadful at this and it has undermined our season.

[HoboHarry]

During the second half we stumbled across a shape that suits our players and has was mentioned elsewhere, had round pegs in round holes.

Flo can't play up front on his own, neither can Shaw.

Mallan needs to play in an advanced position.

Slivka can't play wide.

3 CBs and Bartley has never really worked.


Not sure where that leaves Horgan, Agyepong or Boyle (other than the treatment table) but our team should pick itself from here.

Gauld will probably be key to this and whilst I thought he'd be an attacking player I think his ability to take the ball under pressure from the defence will be important. Mallan is dreadful at this and it has undermined our season.
Being told to play that role has been the problem for Mallan and Hibs.

[SlickShoes]

During the second half we stumbled across a shape that suits our players and has was mentioned elsewhere, had round pegs in round holes.

Flo can't play up front on his own, neither can Shaw.

Mallan needs to play in an advanced position.

Slivka can't play wide.

3 CBs and Bartley has never really worked.


Not sure where that leaves Horgan, Agyepong or Boyle (other than the treatment table) but our team should pick itself from here.

Gauld will probably be key to this and whilst I thought he'd be an attacking player I think his ability to take the ball under pressure from the defence will be important. Mallan is dreadful at this and it has undermined our season.

I have no idea why we have kept playing Mallan in that position so long it’s one of the many baffling tactical decisions of this season.

[BlackSheep]

Mallan was played there as he does have the ability to play there just not the composure... too afraid to make a mistake that may lead to to goal so he ends up looking to play away from the action.

If we can get the same performances from Milligan that he gives to Australia then I think a lot of people will grow to like him.

[A Hi-Bee]

Mallan was played there as he does have the ability to play there just not the composure... too afraid to make a mistake that may lead to to goal so he ends up looking to play away from the action.

If we can get the same performances from Milligan that he gives to Australia then I think a lot of people will grow to like him.

Fair dinkum cobber I just hope so as there is a player in there for sure, we have only seen wee glimpses of it up to now.

[Hibs4185]

Quite simply Hibs should always play with 2 upfront or an attack based formation such as 4-3-3 or 3-5-2. The only time we should play 4-5-1 or more defensively is against Celtic or rangers away.

[Here’s Lucy!]

IMO, that wasn't the only fix. Giving Gauld a kind of undisciplined free role hampered him and everyone else. This team needs a structure and the players need to know their roles. The difference in having a second outlet up top was so clear to see though [emoji106]

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Correct.

Thought he was rubbish today.

[Smartie]

Mallan was played there as he does have the ability to play there just not the composure... too afraid to make a mistake that may lead to to goal so he ends up looking to play away from the action.

If we can get the same performances from Milligan that he gives to Australia then I think a lot of people will grow to like him.

Mallan needs space to play. Celtic gave him that space and he was excellent.

I don't think he has the burst of pace or touch to play football in congested areas.

In the second half today he had players pulling St Mirren all over the place and he was allowed to move into the space between their defence and midfield and he destroyed them. He has a cracking shot on him and a lovely weight of pass but there are serious deficiencies in his all-round game for a midfielder.

It's almost as if we need to build a team around him, a bit like we did with Latapy.

[LaMotta]

Correct.

Thought he was rubbish today.

Gauld's pass to Horgan in the first half with the outside of the left foot was outstanding.

Very clever player and I think he will get more influential as the weeks go by.

As for the formation, I hope we don't see the 4 2 3 1 again with this crop of players.

[Borderhibbie76]

During the second half we stumbled across a shape that suits our players and has was mentioned elsewhere, had round pegs in round holes.

Flo can't play up front on his own, neither can Shaw.

Mallan needs to play in an advanced position.

Slivka can't play wide.

3 CBs and Bartley has never really worked.


Not sure where that leaves Horgan, Agyepong or Boyle (other than the treatment table) but our team should pick itself from here.

Gauld will probably be key to this and whilst I thought he'd be an attacking player I think his ability to take the ball under pressure from the defence will be important. Mallan is dreadful at this and it has undermined our season.What a brilliant summary mate spot on...just home from paisley and couldn't agree more.

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[greenlex]

Think it’s was more to do with playing it on the deck that 2 up top

[JohnM1875]

Think it’s was more to do with playing it on the deck that 2 up top

I think playing two up top was the exact reason it allowed us to play it on the deck though.

[Pretty Boy]

If only there was a manager out there who favours a midfield 4 diamond with width coming from the full backs.......

[BoyledEgg]

My preferred team with this all in mind is this:-

Marciano

Gray
McGregor
Milligan
Hanlon
Whittaker/ Mackie

Mallan
Slivka
Gauld

Shaw
Kamberi

Think this would work if Milligan is instructed to play as a centre back but to fill the midfield as a DM when needs be, this would let the remaining 4 defenders form a solid back 4, Milligan should drop back into defence when either of the full backs make movements forward.

What I’m getting at is a flexible 532 / 352

Yes I know a lot of you hate the 3 at the back but think of it more as a 5 at the back with support from the defence when attacking.

We have no real natural wodth at the moment so let’s olay our 3 CMs as CMs! If the keep it compact and work together then it could work.

This leaves 2 up top to drag the opposition defence around and create space for the midfielders to okay passes into or to drive forward and take shots.

All the talk of needing a box to box midfielder... yes it would be great but if we can just link the play from DF to MF to FW then we would see improvement... we are a fantastic footballing side when we actually play football!!!

I can see what you are getting at, but that midfield 3 would get absolutely bossed in the middle of the park. None of them can tackle a fish supper. Could be decent going forward but teams would cut through the midfield like a hot knife through butter

[Keyser Sauzee]

It’s no coincidence we started to play better with 2 up top, but also no coincidence that happened after we got Horgan off. Terrible player who offers nothing except a cross, even they are few and far between now. The sooner we get rid of him the better.

[BOB MARLEYS DUG]

GK: Rocky

RB: SDG
CB: Hanlon
CB: Daz
LB: Stevenson when back.

DM: Bartman
RAM: Slivka
LAM: Mallan
CAM: Gauld

ST: Kamberi
ST: Shaw/Macca

[Leith Green]

Didnt Lennon play a lot of last seasons earlier games with one up top? I seem to remember a lot of disgruntled voices at the time , then he changed it to 2 up top.

[Keith_M]

2 up top

Great name for a new porn mag


:greengrin

[SeanWilson]

Gauld's pass to Horgan in the first half with the outside of the left foot was outstanding.

Very clever player and I think he will get more influential as the weeks go by.

As for the formation, I hope we don't see the 4 2 3 1 again with this crop of players.It was. It was also almost all he done.

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[Nakedmanoncrack]

When did the phrase 'up top' enter the lexicon?
I've never heard anyone (other than people on TV) say this term, but it's all over the internet.

Does anyone really say it?
Why?
Whats wrong with the more accurate 'up front' which everyone was happy to use until recently?

[Gloucester Hibs]

Not so much the switching to a front 2 that won us the game, but more the change in personnel. Don’t forget we’ve played Flo and Olly up front together many times and not always had success, most recently v Hearts.

[Smartie]

When did the phrase 'up top' enter the lexicon?
I've never heard anyone (other than people on TV) say this term, but it's all over the internet.

Does anyone really say it?
Why?
Whats wrong with the more accurate 'up front' which everyone was happy to use until recently?

"2 up front" would be a great name for a new porn mag.

[HibeeMackenzie]

Our 3 best performances in the league this season, Hamilton, Celtic and the last 40 minutes today have all come with the diamond. Wish we’d stick with it

[Bangkok Hibby]

When did the phrase 'up top' enter the lexicon?
I've never heard anyone (other than people on TV) say this term, but it's all over the internet.

Does anyone really say it?
Why?

Whats wrong with the more accurate 'up front' which everyone was happy to use until recently?

That and "half a yard" doubt theres another occupation in the world that uses that term