Lennon etc (merged threads)

[allmodcons]

I never once said Hibs deliberately appointed a bad manager? He was a ***** appointment hence why we went down whether he was deemed a good appointment at the time or not.

I’m not blaming anyone at Hibs for it, I’m just pointing out that it was the appointment of Butcher rather than the sacking of Fenlon that got us relegated. The appointment of a better manager would have seen us nowhere near relegation.

The idea that sacking managers is what gets you relegated is nonsense. If you sack a manager and get a good one in you won’t get relegated.


Exactly. It’s exactly the reason clubs sack managers - to save themselves or give a chance.

Clubs sack managers for a variety of reasons IMO Fenlon left because of the pressure from our fans not because he felt he'd lost the dressing room.

Butcher was appointed on the back of doing a really good job at ICT but, despite almost universal acceptance as an appointment, simply could not cut it at a bigger club like Hibs, so what looked like a very good appointment turned out to be a disaster.

Hindsight is a great thing, you keep saying if we'd appointed a good manager we'd have stayed up. That's exactly what the majority thought would happen when Butcher was appointed.

You both need to be careful what you wish for.

[calumhibee1]

Clubs sack managers for a variety of reasons IMO Fenlon left because of the pressure from our fans not because he felt he'd lost the dressing room.

Butcher was appointed on the back of doing a really good job at ICT but, despite almost universal acceptance as an appointment, simply could not cut it at a bigger club like Hibs, so what looked like a very good appointment turned out to be a disaster.

Hindsight is a great thing, you keep saying if we'd appointed a good manager we'd have stayed. That's exactly what the majority thought would happen when Butcher was appointed.

You both need to be careful what you wish for.

Butcher was appointed by a board who had a history of numerous catastrophic appointments. I personally wouldn’t use it as a way to predict how our next managerial appointment will work out.

[Hibbyradge]

Of course it couldn’t.

I’m not arguing with anyone, I’ve discussed what’s going on at our club. If you can point me towards an arguement I’m having I’d love to see it?

How come your posts about your view are you “defending” your view but mines regarding my view are me arguing? We’re both doing the exact same thing (along with plenty others) but with opposite views.

You're doing it and nauseam.

[pacoluna]

It takes away any ***** you spout when you lose all credibility by constantly slating our Scottish cup winning manager.

Second paragraph Paco....

I don't slate him.. I question his quality as a manager although I supported him at the time.
Absolutely nothing compared to your nauseating patter and digs at the current manager in charge.

[calumhibee1]

You're doing it and nauseam.

Ah of course. I’ve passed the Hibbyradge post quota. You of course have stayed below the threshold :aok: who’d have thought it?

Just you worry about yourself pal and I’ll carry on posting as and when I wish. The admins have never had a word with me about it, I’m sure they will if there’s an issue with it.

[Smartie]

Honestly? I would hope for top 6 and a good cup run but if it doesn’t materialise we go again next season. Why on earth do we have to be a club that sacks a manager who has his first season below expectation in 3 years.

He has had record backing and not looked like he's had the first idea what to do with it.

If this is what he does when he has money, I'd hate to see what he'd do without.

I'm certainly not stumping up for a season ticket to watch his tombola football.

He's not just having a sticky patch. He's falling woefully short of expectations and managers don't do that and survive.

[Hibbyradge]

Ah of course. I’ve passed the Hibbyradge post quota. You of course have stayed below the threshold :aok:

Just you worry about yourself pal and I’ll carry on posting as and when I wish. The admins have never had a word with me about it, I’m sure they will if there’s an issue with it.

You can post as often as you like.

I was explaining why your posting habits and mine are not the same as you suggested.

You still haven't answered my question. Do you think people who hold different views to you will change their minds if you post often enough?

[DarlingtonHibee]

I don’t like the guy based on my post. He doesn’t want to be here, wants sacked and ripping the arse out the club. Yet some are optimistic we will “still make top 6” like that’s a good thing.

You don't like the guy?

Have you ever met him?

How do you know he doesn't want to be at the club.

Given your expertise, give me a name that would be better.

[Brizo]

Lennon has built up enough credit after two highly successful seasons to be allowed time to turn this around.

I believe we punched above our weight last season as a newly promoted team, due to us having one of the best and most entertaining midfields ive seen in 50 years watching us.

After their departure, this season was always going to be a far harder struggle.

Last season we over achieved, this season we are underachieving. If come the end of the season we are still bottom 6, I wouldn't be surprised if Lennon walks of his own accord. I haven't read through the previous pages but if anyones calling for him to go now, it just demonstrates the fickleness of the modern fan.

[calumhibee1]

You can post as often as you like.

I was explaining why your posting habits and mine are not the same as you suggested.

You still haven't answered my question. Do you think people who hold different views to you will change their minds if you post often enough?

Why would they change their minds? I don’t think they would, nor would I want them to.

You didn’t answer mine, other than what has seemed to turn into a bit of an arguement of your instigation, I’d love to see where else I’m arguing with someone? Because as far as I’m concerned I’ve been discussing the goings on at my football team. No arguements.

Anyway, no point getting into a debate with you, your posting is of course absolutely fine (didn’t see that coming :rolleyes:) while mines is worthy of criticism. Like I said, if there’s an issue with my posts I’d welcome the admins to message me and let me know. They’ve never felt the need to in my whole time on here though.

Until then you might want to concentrate on yourself rather than being a self appointed forum polisman.

[Blaster]

Lennon has built up enough credit after two highly successful seasons to be allowed time to turn this around.

I believe we punched above our weight last season as a newly promoted team, due to us having one of the best and most entertaining midfields ive seen in 50 years watching us.

After their departure, this season was always going to be a far harder struggle.

Last season we over achieved, this season we are underachieving. If come the end of the season we are still bottom 6, I wouldn't be surprised if Lennon walks of his own accord. I haven't read through the previous pages but if anyones calling for him to go now, it just demonstrates the fickleness of the modern fan.

Well said

[Stevie Reid]

Very strange season, but it is draws yet again that are holding us back. We have lost less games and scored more goals than the two teams above us, and scored more and conceded less than St. Johnstone in 5th and Hearts in 6th. Injuries have been pretty horrendous all season as well.

Overall record this season is P 31 W 12 D 10 L 9 (including one on pens)

Things are far from great but Lennon has certainly earned the right to conclude business this window and finish the season at the very least. But we need to see improvement immediately on Sunday. Up until October we had barely played poorly in a game in the SPL under Lennon - we've rarely played well since.

However, we are far from being in free fall, and the likes of Tommy Wright - who many would have in as manager (understandably) - have recovered from worse runs (with worse players IMO) than this. Even at the moment our points per game tally spread over the season would have us with more points than the team that finished 6th in the last four seasons.

Taking any action with regards to the manager just now would be madness IMO.

[hibee_girl]

Lennon has built up enough credit after two highly successful seasons to be allowed time to turn this around.

I believe we punched above our weight last season as a newly promoted team, due to us having one of the best and most entertaining midfields ive seen in 50 years watching us.

After their departure, this season was always going to be a far harder struggle.

Last season we over achieved, this season we are underachieving. If come the end of the season we are still bottom 6, I wouldn't be surprised if Lennon walks of his own accord. I haven't read through the previous pages but if anyones calling for him to go now, it just demonstrates the fickleness of the modern fan.

:agree:

[allmodcons]

Butcher was appointed by a board who had a history of numerous catastrophic appointments. I personally wouldn’t use it as a way to predict how our next managerial appointment will work out.

You're defeating your own argument but of course can't see it.

Your own words "a history of numerous catastrophic appointments" confirms just what I've been saying. A change of manager is not some kind of remedy for instant success and a turnaround in fortunes.

You, just like everybody else on these boards, have absolutely no idea what our next managerial appointment will bring to the table.

I say again, be careful what you wish for!

[Iain G]

You're defeating your own argument but of course can't see it.

Your own words "a history of numerous catastrophic appointments" confirms just what I've been saying. A change of manager is not some kind of remedy for instant success and a turnaround in fortunes.

You, just like everybody else on these boards, have absolutely no idea what our next managerial appointment will bring to the table.

I say again, be careful what you wish for!

If he played players in their proper positions and worked out a way of playing to suit our squad those would be two immediate improvements ;-)

[allmodcons]

Very strange season, but it is draws yet again that are holding us back. We have lost less games and scored more goals than the two teams above us, and scored more and conceded less than St. Johnstone in 5th and Hearts in 6th. Injuries have been pretty horrendous all season as well.

Overall record this season is P 31 W 12 D 10 L 9 (including one on pens)

Things are far from great but Lennon has certainly earned the right to conclude business this window and finish the season at the very least. But we need to see improvement immediately on Sunday. Up until October we had barely played poorly in a game in the SPL under Lennon - we've rarely played well since.

However, we are far from being in free fall, and the likes of Tommy Wright - who many would have in as manager (understandably) - have recovered from worse runs (with worse players IMO) than this. Even at the moment our points per game tally spread over the season would have us with more points than the team that finished 6th on the last four seasons.

Taking any action with regards to the manager just now would be madness IMO.

The voice of reason in a swathe of over the top posts (e.g. - Lennon is useless, Lennon is clueless, etc, etc)

[calumhibee1]

You're defeating your own argument but of course can't see it.

Your own words "a history of numerous catastrophic appointments" confirms just what I've been saying. A change of manager is not some kind of remedy for instant success and a turnaround in fortunes.

You, just like everybody else on these boards, have absolutely no idea what our next managerial appointment will bring to the table.

I say again, be careful what you wish for!

My point is that if you don’t appoint a crap manager then you won’t get relegated. Sacking the previous one has very little to do with appointing the new one. You appoint a crap one, sack him and appoint a good one you’ll be fine. You appoint a crap one, sack him and appoint another crap one then you’ll not.

So no, I’m not defeating it. You’re just not understanding it, whether that’s because I’m not wording it very well is a different story :greengrin

Thing is, I’ve got faith in LD to appoint a good manager next time round. So I’m not worried about the whole sacking a manager and then bringing in a huddy scenario.

[allmodcons]

If he played players in their proper positions and worked out a way of playing to suit our squad those would be two immediate improvements ;-)

I get that there are issues. I can't understand why he isn't starting David Gray, but sacking him? Not for me.

[Bleeds green]

Lennon has built up enough credit after two highly successful seasons to be allowed time to turn this around.

I believe we punched above our weight last season as a newly promoted team, due to us having one of the best and most entertaining midfields ive seen in 50 years watching us.

After their departure, this season was always going to be a far harder struggle.

Last season we over achieved, this season we are underachieving. If come the end of the season we are still bottom 6, I wouldn't be surprised if Lennon walks of his own accord. I haven't read through the previous pages but if anyones calling for him to go now, it just demonstrates the fickleness of the modern fan.

100 percent THIS! Fans forums can be the worst places for fickle fans also

[southern hibby]

Not once did I say we had sacked any managers previously. I’m stating that we had a great first season under Lennon getting promoted a fantastic second campaign as our first season back up and now we’re having his first average campaign folk want him sacked! It’s totally embarrassing imo and we should be careful what we wish for if were going to start sacking managers because they have there first blip in 3 years!!

He got us promoted by getting 1 point more than Stubbs managed in the championship. Though Stubbs got more wins in the championship the two seasons before than he managed. When we were promoted there was no Hearts or The Rangers to play against, so in theory ( by my thoughts anyway ) I’d expect to get promoted that season.

We did well last season though right at the death we had gone ( I think ) about 12 games unbeaten and played Aberdeen we drew as Maclaren missed the penalty and the header, he was then dropped against hearts and we get beat from them.

I personally I’m not into his slating players publically ( especially a young lad that has really started to get games under his belt consistently at Hibs ).
The same young lad that could have walked away from an agreement to join the club and honoured it even though there was championship interest in him.

His team selections are baffaling to say the least and don’t get me wrong against Celtic and The Rangers they have been rather good Infact normally spot on, but even these at times haven’t worked out and I’m not sure why he does what he does for instance 2-2 against Celtic at ER last season, started with 1 up front 2 down had we bring on Oli and could have ended up winning the game. We destroyed Celtic in the last 25 or so minutes.
Next game against Newco and get beat 2-1 and he started with 3 forwards on the pitch ( not the team that finished against Celtic and was the better team in the last 25 minutes remember ) left no strikers on the bench and ended up moving Paul Hanlon up to centre forward.

I really don’t know his thought process on these things and to my mind if he genuinely is the winner I keep hearing he is, I’m not seeing it at present and I would say that if this is a slump then he doesn’t seem to be able to turn it around.

I don’t give a f&ck who the manager is at Hibs as long as there seems to be a team on the park who look organised and at least they know what they are doing. A team who want to win second balls and a team who look balanced. I watched a team yesterday that didn’t and lumped the ball over the midfield on numerous occasions to Kembari who cannot play like that.

A lot of work to be done before the team from yesterday looks like the team from the beginning of this season. Can it be done with NL leading us? Time will tell.

GGTTH

[we are hibs]

And the season is also not over, average, mediocre whatever u want to call it it’s our first bad spell over a period of time under Lennon and all of a sudden he’s a **** manager and should be sacked. Totally embarrassing fickle crap. Of course that’s only my opinion which I gather ur sometimes not allowed on this site



It's not his first bad spell though is it? First half of last season. Toiled against dross as we drew our way to the championship title. People seem to back the name neil lennon rather than neil lennon the manager.

[calumhibee1]

It's not his first bad spell though is it? First half of last season. Toiled against dross as we drew our way to the championship title. People seem to back the name neil lennon rather than neil lennon the manager.

People were quick to latch onto our 4 game unbeaten run and how good a run we were on. If that’s the case then this is his second bad run.

[we are hibs]

Are players ever to blame, our beloved captain Hanlon, the true leither McG, injury prone porteous, kamberi who couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo atm or Mallan the mouse?

Hanlon who has been out injured then played out of position last night? McGregor who's been injured and evidently toiling these days? porteous who was clearly ****ed against livi and kept breaking down in pain yet Lennon kept him on? Kamberi who is having balls shelled at him at all angles with no support? Mallan who he signed and seems to be undroppable?

Is Lennon ever to blame in your eyes?

[Stevie Reid]

It's not his first bad spell though is it? First half of last season. Toiled against dross as we drew our way to the championship title. People seem to back the name neil lennon rather than neil lennon the manager.

First half of last season when we were in 4th position, the same one that we finished in? You're seriously calling that a bad spell?

Mind you, you're calling winning the Championship a bad spell.

[Hibbyradge]

Why would they change their minds? I don’t think they would, nor would I want them to.

You didn’t answer mine, other than what has seemed to turn into a bit of an arguement of your instigation, I’d love to see where else I’m arguing with someone? Because as far as I’m concerned I’ve been discussing the goings on at my football team. No arguements.

Anyway, no point getting into a debate with you, your posting is of course absolutely fine (didn’t see that coming :rolleyes:) while mines is worthy of criticism. Like I said, if there’s an issue with my posts I’d welcome the admins to message me and let me know. They’ve never felt the need to in my whole time on here though.

Until then you might want to concentrate on yourself rather than being a self appointed forum polisman.

Seriously?

Most of your posts are arguments. :faf: No-one ever gets the last word. It's incessant.

It's strange you didn't think to criticise my posting before I criticised yours.

You're good at playing the victim though. I give you that.

I'm not an internet policeman, self appointed or otherwise. Post away to your heart's content. I was just interested in what you were trying to achieve. I guess it'll remain a mystery.

I think ignoring you is the best way to manage my curiosity in that respect.

[we are hibs]

First half of last season when we were in 4th position, the same one that we finished in? You're seriously calling that a bad spell?

Mind you, you're calling winning the Championship a bad spell.


Did you actually sit through our last year in the championship? The standard of football was appalling. First half of last season where we didn't win the games we should've been and kept chucking away leads and points all over the place.

[calumhibee1]

Seriously?

Most of your posts are arguments. :faf: No-one ever gets the last word. It's incessant.

It's strange you didn't think to criticise my posting before I criticised yours.

You're good at playing the victim though. I give you that.

I'm not an internet policeman, self appointed or otherwise. Post away to your heart's content. I was just interested in what you were trying to achieve. I guess it'll remain a mystery.

I think ignoring you is the best way to manage my curiosity in that respect.

Again, I’d love to see what arguement - other than the one you’ve instigated - I’ve been having. You keep saying it but there doesn’t seem to be any evidence of it unsurprisingly. You do realise people having differing opinions doesn’t mean they’re arguing eh?

I think ignoring me is the best option for you aswell as you seem to struggle with people having a different opinion from you. It’ll allow you to take off your cyber handcuffs and baton aswell.

Anyway, I’m out. I’m not here for arguements, I’m here to discuss my football team.

[Carheenlea]

We have a squad full of very decent players, but can’t find a team to utilise them to our advantage. I don’t know if Neil Lennon has a history of chopping and changing line ups, but a chronic injury list and other disruptions has forced his hand in having to do so pretty much every week. No club is ever going to get success with that. We’re not getting blown away, just coming up a little short so I m quite confident we can turn narrow defeats like that last night into wins with a settled team and balanced shape.

[Stevie Reid]

Did you actually sit through our last year in the championship? The standard of football was appalling. First half of last season where we didn't win the games we should've been and kept chucking away leads and points all over the place.

I've been a season ticket holder at Easter Road for many, many years. It didn't matter how we got out of the Championship (not that the football was appalling in any case), all that mattered was winning it - as has been shown by how well we performed last season. St. Johnstone last came up with 65 points, and have barely been out of the top four since.

Trying to criticise a manager for winning a league championship doesn't really stand up to much scrutiny.

Up until the end of December last season, we gave up the lead in four matches - drawing three and losing one. We came back from being behind to take something from the game seven times. Our league record was P 22 W 9 D 8 L 5 before the winter break, we were in 4th and had reached the league cup semi final. Bad spell my arse.

[wookie70]

‘he fluked it’ what a terrible statement. We as hibs fans should be careful what we wish for are we gona get rid of every single manager who has an average season? Then what rebuild and then sack the next manager who can’t live up to unrealistic fans expectations The injury to SDG made Boyle play wingback and all of a sudden we gelled. The injury caused the change in tactics and formation. Maybe fluked was a bit harsh but I don't see many signs of him dealing with injuries or sending out teams that look prepared this year. I suspect Lennon has spent fortunes compared to Stubbs and his team is well below average and not worth the money

[SirDavidsNapper]

Your wasting your breath Calum some just won't hear anything against Lennon on here...honestly the man could take us down and some would still be defending him. I've completely.lost faith in him TBH...I like the guy but he appears clueless and unable of rebuilding a squad and an system that works. Yes his record before Oct with us was great - but mainly thanks to Stubbsys signings who he has failed miserably to replace

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Correct. The Lennon love in is quite baffling. Fenlon was hounded out for less

[ScottB]

Ultimately, our current run of form is unacceptable. The minimum target for us, or minimum acceptable outcome at least, should be Top 6. Granted, we have often, too often, failed to hit that mark, but, should a manager survive that?

Yes, we lost McGinn, Allan and McGeough last summer, but, it was obviously we were going to lose some, or, as happened, all. The failure to replace them adequately doesn't just rest on the manager of course, and that failure is a factor when evaluating the season so far, but, at a club like ours, with a budget and so on, we need someone who can **** in the pot they're given, basically. The odd formations, tactics and line ups suggest Neil doesn't really know what to do with this squad, because they are no longer capable of what they were doing in the second half of last season.

Can Neil adapt to these circumstances? I'm not sure that's a circumstance he's ever really faced in his career before, and he certainly hasn't done well so far this season. I suspect he'll get till the end of the season, unless he himself walks, but, if after another transfer window, and another arrival of players, if he continues to fail to build a working system and get the team performing, he should go.

[Bleeds green]

It's not his first bad spell though is it? First half of last season. Toiled against dross as we drew our way to the championship title. People seem to back the name neil lennon rather than neil lennon the manager.

This beggars belief!!

1st season - wins championship getting us promoted at FIRST TIME of asking

2nd season - finishes 4th in premiership in 1st season back in top flight going into last games with a chance of 2nd place

Both fantastic seasons

Now after singing his name only a matter of months ago fans want him sacked. That’s me done I’m not posting any longer hibs fans are at times the best but also the worst type of football fans on this planet

[J-C]

The injury to SDG made Boyle play wingback and all of a sudden we gelled. The injury caused the change in tactics and formation. Maybe fluked was a bit harsh but I don't see many signs of him dealing with injuries or sending out teams that look prepared this year. I suspect Lennon has spent fortunes compared to Stubbs and his team is well below average and not worth the money


I just posted the same on another thread re getting lucky with the back 3 due to SDG's injury, plus we had the best midfield in the league 2nd half of last season.

His signing policy with Horgan, Agyepong, Hyndman, Mallan etc all looked set up for 2 wide men and 1 striker with attacking midfielders behind, then he signs MacLaren and he feels we need to go to a back 3 again as it worked last season. Unfortunately the midfield was nowhere near as good and the strikers struggled, add all the injuries and you can see exactly why we've toiled. No identity, no shape, no continuity and a mish mash of individuals who don't seem to know what they're doing from week to week.

I wasn't convinced Lennon was right for us, I always felt he lived off his Celtic days and talked a good game, his football is hard to understand and never ever takes the blame for huge mistakes, I gave him my backing but for me his time is up now, he needs to go ASAP.

[Bangkok Hibby]

This beggars belief!!

1st season - wins championship getting us promoted at FIRST TIME of asking

2nd season - finishes 4th in premiership in 1st season back in top flight going into last games with a chance of 2nd place

Both fantastic seasons

Now after singing his name only a matter of months ago fans want him sacked. That’s me done I’m not posting any longer hibs fans are at times the best but also the worst type of football fans on this planet

No mate theres far, far worse out there.

[James-6.2-3.2]

I said last month about Lennon, not being up for the job ect, and i was slated, called a Yam, blocked form .net which makes you laugh as if you voice you opinion and no one agrees then its bye. and not afriad to say it again Lennon is not the man now to lead the team. Last night was beyond embarrassing to be honest 1 man up front V a team that sat in old grandad at right back is a joke, and Malan clearly golden boy within the team who has done nothing fro months now, His corner kicks never beat first man so why do we continue to let him take them? Flo i forgot he was on the park last night as well! This is a massive re building job,

[J-C]

This beggars belief!!

1st season - wins championship getting us promoted at FIRST TIME of asking

2nd season - finishes 4th in premiership in 1st season back in top flight going into last games with a chance of 2nd place

Both fantastic seasons

Now after singing his name only a matter of months ago fans want him sacked. That’s me done I’m not posting any longer hibs fans are at times the best but also the worst type of football fans on this planet


To be fair mate most of the stuff you posted especially in the summer transfer window was complete nonsense.

[bingo70]

This beggars belief!!

1st season - wins championship getting us promoted at FIRST TIME of asking

2nd season - finishes 4th in premiership in 1st season back in top flight going into last games with a chance of 2nd place

Both fantastic seasons

Now after singing his name only a matter of months ago fans want him sacked. That’s me done I’m not posting any longer hibs fans are at times the best but also the worst type of football fans on this planet

Let’s keep things in perspective.

Getting promoted from that league with no rangers or Hearts and with the backing he had was a given, great to get promoted but it wasn’t anything brilliant in terms of the job he did that season.

Last season absolutely no arguments from me, superb season and Lennon deserves a lot of credit for it. My only fear is that it is starting to look like the basis of last seasons success was built on a terrific midfield that he inherited and now he’s having to build his own side it’s not looking great so far.

[calumhibee1]

To be fair mate most of the stuff you posted especially in the summer transfer window was complete nonsense.

I’m not sure it’s the same guy :greengrin

[Bleeds green]

To be fair mate most of the stuff you posted especially in the summer transfer window was complete nonsense.

Sure that wasn’t ‘bleed’ green not me ‘bleeds’ green got accused of that before and the other user on very similar username got kicked off the site, I only sporadically post on the site. If it’s me fair do’s

[Bleeds green]

I’m not sure it’s the same guy :greengrin

Cheers. Been accused of this a few times lol. Supporting hibs is undoubtedly a frustrating business and different opinions are gonae be had I suppose

[Blaster]

Season 1. Wins the championship and gets to cup semi’s

Season 2. Finishes 4th and qualified for Europe

Season 3. Good run in Europe but well below par in the league

Allowed a bit of grace in my opinion. If we are sitting in a similar place in 12 months time I’d be asking for change but not quite yet

[Libby Hibby]

Lennon Out...I was one of his biggest fans but enough is enough. We could easily have the Man United effect if we appoint correctly.

[J-C]

Sure that wasn’t ‘bleed’ green not me ‘bleeds’ green got accused of that before and the other user on very similar username got kicked off the site, I only sporadically post on the site. If it’s me fair do’s


Apologies mate, the wee s makes a difference :greengrin:aok:

[bingo70]

Season 1. Wins the championship and gets to cup semi’s

Season 2. Finishes 4th and qualified for Europe

Season 3. Good run in Europe but well below par in the league

Allowed a bit of grace in my opinion. If we are sitting in a similar place in 12 months time I’d be asking for change but not quite yet

It’s where we’re heading that I’m interested in.

I’m not saying we need to sack him now but I wouldn’t be disappointed if he left.

The last couple of seasons were good, last season was great even but it doesn’t mean he’ll be a success next season if he needs to build a new team again.

[makaveli1875]

Correct. The Lennon love in is quite baffling. Fenlon was hounded out for less

ok il bite .. are you being serious

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[BroxburnHibee]

I said last month about Lennon, not being up for the job ect, and i was slated, called a Yam, blocked form .net which makes you laugh as if you voice you opinion and no one agrees then its bye. and not afriad to say it again Lennon is not the man now to lead the team. Last night was beyond embarrassing to be honest 1 man up front V a team that sat in old grandad at right back is a joke, and Malan clearly golden boy within the team who has done nothing fro months now, His corner kicks never beat first man so why do we continue to let him take them? Flo i forgot he was on the park last night as well! This is a massive re building job,

Ah the old 'blocked from dotnet for having an opinion' line.

Wish I had a pound for every time I've heard that one.

[Libby Hibby]

Season 1. Wins the championship and gets to cup semi’s

Season 2. Finishes 4th and qualified for Europe

Season 3. Good run in Europe but well below par in the league

Allowed a bit of grace in my opinion. If we are sitting in a similar place in 12 months time I’d be asking for change but not quite yet

Season 1 - Wins Championship and played wrong team in semi thus costing us a final chance. Also poor result v QOS in LC.

Season 2 - 1st half poor, 2nd half excellent. Still can’t beat Hearts when it really matters in league and cup. Wrong team selection in LC v Celtic which cost us a chance of having a real good go at them.

Season 3 - always going to be difficult with who we lost but at the time, few would argue with summer signings and recruitment. It’s not panned out this season, we look disjointed, lack of style of play, no fixed formation, no togetherness. In general, we don’t look collectively happy. A squad of individuals opposed to a squad full of togetherness. All of which lands at the managers feet. Arguably, however, our best performance v Aberdeen in LC and still go out.

[Stevie Reid]

Season 2 - 1st half poor

P 22 W 9 D 8 L 5 sitting in 4th where we finished.

[greenpaper55]

What for me is worrying is that Lennon thinks that we are playing reasonably well in some spells when we are clearly absolute garbage ! is he deluded or merely hanging onto his job ? Sure we have had injuries but so has every other team and we could forgive the team for performances bellow par due to this but it has gone further than this now with strange selections and openly criticising players. Lennon is rapidly running out of excuses and the next few games will be make or break for his tenure at ER, i hope he can turn it round but i won't be holding my breath.

[Blaster]

Season 1 - Wins Championship and played wrong team in semi thus costing us a final chance. Also poor result v QOS in LC.

Season 2 - 1st half poor, 2nd half excellent. Still can’t beat Hearts when it really matters in league and cup. Wrong team selection in LC v Celtic which cost us a chance of having a real good go at them.

Season 3 - always going to be difficult with who we lost but at the time, few would argue with summer signings and recruitment. It’s not panned out this season, we look disjointed, lack of style of play, no fixed formation, no togetherness. In general, we don’t look collectively happy. A squad of individuals opposed to a squad full of togetherness. All of which lands at the managers feet. Arguably, however, our best performance v Aberdeen in LC and still go out.

Sorry Mr Guardiola 😉

[Brightside]

Sorry Mr Guardiola 😉

Even if you disagree lets keep it to opinions rather than it becoming personal about posters. Nothing wrong with having a debate and hearing peoples thoughts on the current management team.

[Libby Hibby]

Sorry Mr Guardiola 😉

Not at all but the way you perhaps described it was ‘all was rosey’ where I think it’s been some highs and some lows but where we are heading is worrying.

[Cabbage East]

Some extremely harsh criticism on here. Yes, team selections have looked ropey at times but realistically who can we replace him with that will have us performing as well as we have since he arrived?

[Heisenberg]

Some extremely harsh criticism on here. Yes, team selections have looked ropey at times but realistically who can we replace him with that will have us performing as well as we have since he arrived?

Tommy Wright seems to be the standout candidate to me. Sustained success and a trophy with a team on a significantly smaller budget.

[Onion]

IMO Lennon has 3 months to turn the season around or he could be finished as a manager. His stock was high at the end of last season after a great Jan window and superb 2nd half. Since then, he's imploded with poor buys, crazy team selections, media meltdowns, ill advised public criticism of players and his failure to take responsibility for poor/ lacklustre performances.

Lennon most definitely benefitted from the aftermath of our Cup win, but that has gone and we're now seeing a truer picture of his management skills and ability to turn things around. Not sure which way this will end.

[Blaster]

Even if you disagree lets keep it to opinions rather than it becoming personal about posters. Nothing wrong with having a debate and hearing peoples thoughts on the current management team.

Hardly a personal insult. Just a bit of banter. Hope that’s ok 👍

[allmodcons]

Lennon Out...I was one of his biggest fans but enough is enough. We could easily have the Man United effect if we appoint correctly.

Detractors like you make it sound so easy! Have you any suggestions who would give us the "Man United effect"?

[bigwheel]

Tommy Wright seems to be the standout candidate to me. Sustained success and a trophy with a team on a significantly smaller budget.

Don’t want Lennon to go - feel he will get the full season - and should - unless the downturn continues on and on

Wright on paper does look a good candidate - but have this intuition that it wouldn’t work out for him here - no idea why tbh.

[Blaster]

Not at all but the way you perhaps described it was ‘all was rosey’ where I think it’s been some highs and some lows but where we are heading is worrying.

Definitely wasn’t all rosy but over the piece relatively successful compared to most seasons over the last 30+ years I’ve been going to games

[allmodcons]

Tommy Wright seems to be the standout candidate to me. Sustained success and a trophy with a team on a significantly smaller budget.

This is where it becomes a lottery. Terry Butcher was a stand out candidate.

[Libby Hibby]

Detractors like you make it sound so easy! Have you any suggestions who would give us the "Man United effect"?

No, I don’t. And to be honest it’s not my job too.

I think we have a good squad. I think if the squad to gel, be happy, have a fixed formation and style of play then we would be doing ok.

For whatever reason, the squad and the current management team are not aligned.

That’s not me being detracting as you put it but focusing on what I see and potentially could happen if a new manager fits in with the current squad instead of continually being critical of them.

[makaveli1875]

Tommy Wright seems to be the standout candidate to me. Sustained success and a trophy with a team on a significantly smaller budget.

Tommy Wright had a nightmare last season , had a horrendous run lost several games in a row .. Their fans wanted him sacked . Look at them this season

just sayin likes

[Borderhibbie76]

Some extremely harsh criticism on here. Yes, team selections have looked ropey at times but realistically who can we replace him with that will have us performing as well as we have since he arrived?You dont just persist with a failing manager in case there is nobody better out there!! Now I'm not convinced at all about Lennon but don't believe he should be sacked yet...but that attitude you've posted above got us relegated 4 years ago...

For me Lennon gets till end of season at the moment but bottom 6 = massive fail and he has to go if that's the case.

However if we were to lose again on Sunday...with Celtic and Aberdeen to come...then it really is shoogly peg time for him IMHO

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[Hibbyradge]

Hardly a personal insult. Just a bit of banter. Hope that’s ok 👍

I saw it as banter, but it's very difficult to get humour and irony across in writing.

In real life, folk would take the mickey out of each other all the time with no offence being taken but you need a lot of carefully selected smileys to be able to do that online.

Poe's Law is an interesting theory too.

[Hibbyradge]

This is where it becomes a lottery. Terry Butcher was a stand out candidate.

Very good point.

[calumhibee1]

Some extremely harsh criticism on here. Yes, team selections have looked ropey at times but realistically who can we replace him with that will have us performing as well as we have since he arrived?

It’s an impossible question to answer really when you consider what circles Hibs operate in when it comes to managers and players. It’s unrealistic to expect Hibs fans to have a list of names of managers from English League One and Two, Scottish lower leagues, English reserve leagues or unemployed guys etc that they believe could come in and fix it. Easy to ask fans of Celtic or EPL teams but not so much Hibs.

[MWHIBBIES]

I was talking about last night. As I clearly said in my op. My main 2 recollections of him last night was being left for dead out wide and that miss. He takes an absolute age on the ball.

Why didn't you watch the other 43 minutes?

[SideBurns]

Tommy Wright seems to be the standout candidate to me. Sustained success and a trophy with a team on a significantly smaller budget.

Apparently there were less than 2,000 at their game last night. It's a near miracle that Wright has kept St.Johnstone in the premier league every season, never mind challenging for the top 6.

[Hibbyradge]

Apparently there were less than 2,000 at their game last night. It's a near miracle that Wright has kept St.Johnstone in the premier league every season, never mind challenging for the top 6.

What are St Johnstone like to watch? I genuinely have no idea.

[CapitalGreen]

This is where it becomes a lottery. Terry Butcher was a stand out candidate.

It depends whether you have faith in those doing the recruiting. Neither LD or GC were involved in Butcher's appointment but would be involved in the recruitment of a new manager.

Describing it as a lottery suggests the odds of recruiting a good manager are entirely random. A good recruitment process should put the odds of recruiting a good manager in our favour.

Would you trust LD and GC to make a good appointment?

[allmodcons]

No, I don’t. And to be honest it’s not my job too.

I think we have a good squad. I think if the squad to gel, be happy, have a fixed formation and style of play then we would be doing ok.

For whatever reason, the squad and the current management team are not aligned.

That’s not me being detracting as you put it but focusing on what I see and potentially could happen if a new manager fits in with the current squad instead of continually being critical of them.

Dress it up how you want - "Lennon Out" - confirms you are a detractor. There's no shame in your position, I just happen to disagree with it.

[Hibbyradge]

It depends whether you have faith in those doing the recruiting. Neither LD or GC were involved in Butcher's appointment but would be involved in the recruitment of a new manager.

Describing it as a lottery suggests the odds of recruiting a good manager are entirely random. A good recruitment process should put the odds of recruiting a good manager in our favour.

Would you trust LD and GC to make a good appointment?

They appointed Lennon, no?

[Stevie Reid]

What are St Johnstone like to watch? I genuinely have no idea.

Also having a strange season - have kept 10 clean sheets in the league this season but have conceded more than us - have won four more games and have 8 more points but have scored less.

Given how many people on here remember our Championship winning season, I can't imagine folk would warm to TW's playing style, even if it were to bring high league finishes.

I'm nowhere near wanting Lennon gone anyway, and I do think that Wright would be very worthy of consideration if we were to need a new manager. But I get the feeling that he could be - at best - a Bobby Williamson type; or at worst, Terry Butcher.

You never know though - and he may decide to be more expansive if he got a bigger job.

[SideBurns]

What are St Johnstone like to watch? I genuinely have no idea.

Neither do i, and of course Wright would be a punt (like every manager in our price range). What i do know is that they're doing better than us with a fraction of our budget.

Hibs aren't great to watch right now; it's hard to imagine watching St.Johnstone could be any worse.

[jeffers]

They appointed Lennon, no?

And Stubbs.

[Dashing Bob S]

It's been a weird season. We lost a stellar midfield and that's not easily replaced. Any manager was going to struggle in that scenario, particularly one who raised expectations. It's also been a frustrating season, in that we've looked on the verge of being decent at some points in it. However, I'm not convinced that we'll get anybody better than Lennon. Who? Some of the names bandied around fall into two categories: 1) pie in the sky 2) unlikely to improve the team.

i think if we stick with Lennon he'll turn it around and we'll be comfortable top six and have a decent cup run. Not great given our higher expectations since May 16, but the last thing we want is another cycle of boom and bust no-marks.

[allmodcons]

It depends whether you have faith in those doing the recruiting. Neither LD or GC were involved in Butcher's appointment but would be involved in the recruitment of a new manager.

Describing it as a lottery suggests the odds of recruiting a good manager are entirely random. A good recruitment process should put the odds of recruiting a good manager in our favour.

Would you trust LD and GC to make a good appointment?

No. I genuinely believe appointing a new manager is a lottery. A good board, however, should learn from the mistakes of those who went before them.

[calumhibee1]

No. I genuinely believe appointing a new manager is a lottery. A good board, however, should learn from the mistakes of those who went before them.

Genuine question, do you believe the same with player signings?

[Libby Hibby]

Dress it up how you want - "Lennon Out" - confirms you are a detractor. There's no shame in your position, I just happen to disagree with it.

No, ‘Lennon out’ means I have had enough. I was a fan, now I don’t get or like what I’m seeing.

I’m not fault finding or being slanderous or disparaging against Lennon in any way so your choice of words is probably wrong in this context.

[CapitalGreen]

They appointed Lennon, no?

Yes and you believe he is a good manager, no?

If you believe that Lennon (and Stubbs presumably) were good appointments, then LD and GC have an 100% track record of recruitment in your eyes and recruitment of a new manager is less likely to be a lottery.

[chrisski33]

You dont just persist with a failing manager in case there is nobody better out there!! Now I'm not convinced at all about Lennon but don't believe he should be sacked yet...but that attitude you've posted above got us relegated 4 years ago...

For me Lennon gets till end of season at the moment but bottom 6 = massive fail and he has to go if that's the case.

However if we were to lose again on Sunday...with Celtic and Aberdeen to come...then it really is shoogly peg time for him IMHO

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Why? Sods law will be that we manage to beat either Aberdeen or Celtic and everything will be rosy again!

[Smartie]

Some extremely harsh criticism on here. Yes, team selections have looked ropey at times but realistically who can we replace him with that will have us performing as well as we have since he arrived?

One of the world's biggest football clubs got rid of "the special one" and replaced him with the Molde manager.

He gets on with the players, picks sensible line-ups, doesn't make multiple changes every week and has manages to get more out of a talented group of players than his highly regarded predecessor ever did.

I don't care what Lennon's reputation is. At the moment he's not living up to it.

He needs to start living up to it or he needs to get out.

Stubbs was untried and didn't have the reputation in the game that Butcher did. Mowbray was untried and didn't have the reputation that Williamson did, yet both of these guys were far better managers for Hibs than the men they took over from.

We need to stop being in awe of this guy whilst he's not cutting it.

If he turns this around we can go back to fawning over him.

[Hibbyradge]

It's been a weird season. We lost a stellar midfield and that's not easily replaced. Any manager was going to struggle in that scenario, particularly one who raised expectations. It's also been a frustrating season, in that we've looked on the verge of being decent at some points in it. However, I'm not convinced that we'll get anybody better than Lennon. Who? Some of the names bandied around fall into two categories: 1) pie in the sky 2) unlikely to improve the team.

i think if we stick with Lennon he'll turn it around and we'll be comfortable top six and have a decent cup run. Not great given our higher expectations since May 16, but the last thing we want is another cycle of boom and bust no-marks.

Well put.

If we don't hit top 6 this season, I think we'll have built a strong foundation for a good crack at it next year.

Sacking Lennon now would completely disrupt our squad, it would cost a fortune to pay off NL and compensate e.g. Killie, and the chances of us recruiting any decent players would be drastically reduced, and not just for financial reasons, although that would be significant.

[jeffers]

It's been a weird season. We lost a stellar midfield and that's not easily replaced. Any manager was going to struggle in that scenario, particularly one who raised expectations. It's also been a frustrating season, in that we've looked on the verge of being decent at some points in it. However, I'm not convinced that we'll get anybody better than Lennon. Who? Some of the names bandied around fall into two categories: 1) pie in the sky 2) unlikely to improve the team.

i think if we stick with Lennon he'll turn it around and we'll be comfortable top six and have a decent cup run. Not great given our higher expectations since May 16, but the last thing we want is another cycle of boom and bust no-marks.

It won't happen and tbh I don't think NL should leave now, but I think Stubbs could get more out of this squad than NL is currently. There would certainly be no berating of our first choice striker both in private and public, leaving our fit captain on the bench, a central defender at left back when we have one on the bench.......

I have faith that LD & GC will replace NL when the time comes with another good manager.

[Hibbyradge]

Yes and you believe he is a good manager, no?

If you believe that Lennon (and Stubbs presumably) were good appointments, then LD and GC have an 100% track record of recruitment in your eyes and recruitment of a new manager is less likely to be a lottery.

I see your point and I agree. When the time eventually comes to replace NL, I'm hopeful that the board will get it right.

Hopefully that's not for years, though.

[CapitalGreen]

No. I genuinely believe appointing a new manager is a lottery. A good board, however, should learn from the mistakes of those who went before them.

What difference would learning from the mistakes of the past make if it truly was a lottery. A lottery would suggest any lessons learned would be redundant as the odds of a successful hire remain the same.

[calumhibee1]

It won't happen and tbh I don't think NL should leave now, but I think Stubbs could get more out of this squad than NL is currently. There would certainly be no berating of our first choice striker both in private and public, leaving our fit captain on the bench, a central defender at left back when we have one on the bench.......

I have faith that LD & GC will replace NL when the time comes with another good manager.

:agree:

[CapitalGreen]

It won't happen and tbh I don't think NL should leave now, but I think Stubbs could get more out of this squad than NL is currently. There would certainly be no berating of our first choice striker both in private and public, leaving our fit captain on the bench, a central defender at left back when we have one on the bench.......

I have faith that LD & GC will replace NL when the time comes with another good manager.

2 on the bench!

[Biggie]

Timing is everything....and I think if we don't get top 6 it'll be time to say thanks but no thanks Neil.
No point at the moment, we need to suck it up and see where we land end of season.

Regarding our next manager, I'd like to see us go for Steve Clarke.....but fear the competition now will be fierce as he's building up a great rep.
What I wouldn't like to see is the yams go for him as they would bust the bank to persuade him to go there......and with the money they throw about, they'd be a real danger. (all this dependent on hearts being as pish poor as us and deciding Levein goes back upstairs)

[matty_f]

The narrative of ignoring the blatantly obvious that's staring you in the face?

It's only blatantly obvious if it's backing up how you already feel.

For example, you could just as easily say that it was obvious that we were better second half when we adjusted the tactics a bit, and had we had all our players available the outcome would likely have been different - which could be said for most of our games this season.

Or it's blindingly obvious that the players are playing for Lennon as you only have to look at our results in December for evidence of that.

Confirmation bias does wonderful things to people's perceptions of what is blindingly obvious.

[southern hibby]

I mentioned on another thread that I wasn’t enthralled with the 6 month loan signings and still think they are a major factor that we need to look at here. I’ll just add I’m not blaming anyone for them or against them I just think having so many is wrong.

5 loans run out end of the season.
Nelom and Mcgregor’s contracts are up, not sure who else’s and if they will be re-signed or not.
Whitaker isn’t the player he used to be and isn’t exactly what we need and should ( in my eyes ) be re-leased.
This alone is a major rebuilding job and long term we have Allen coming in.
Not sure if we have any other players out of contract. We seem to be rebuilding every window and it’s not looking very good long term for continuity.

Now I’m not blaming NL for this or the board etc but we cannot rebuild every window and if we get it wrong in the summer expect to save it during the jan window, especially when we need players in and we are over 3 weeks since it opened and still hunting for a striker.

Is this the correct way to run a club because I don’t think it is as for answers how to fix it, not exactly sure.

GGTTH

[The Leith Dutch]

Tommy Wright seems to be the standout candidate to me. Sustained success and a trophy with a team on a significantly smaller budget.

That to me feels like Moyes at Man Utd (albeit a lower rent version).

Managing a club with small aspirations on a budget and over achieving is great but we're a different proposition entirely.

The fact they're currently ahead of us is irrelevant.
They have players we've a actually discarded (a decision most on here rightly imo agreed with) and players most think weren't good enough for us (Tony Watt).

[James Stephen]

Don’t want Lennon to go - feel he will get the full season - and should - unless the downturn continues on and on

Wright on paper does look a good candidate - but have this intuition that it wouldn’t work out for him here - no idea why tbh.

Funnily enough i have the same view- i wonder if his style is just a bit too earthy and pragmatic to fit in with our own self-image of entertainers, stylish etc?

[James Stephen]

Ive written a blog on this https://jamsstephen.com/2019/01/24/should-hibs-sack-neil-lennon/

Im not 100% convinced he should go, but all of the evidence is saying to me that he wont recover.

I dont recall a manager publicly slagging off his team over so sustained a period and it working out for them.

The season is still salvageable (maybe) but we do not look like a well drilled, well coached, happy or motivated team at the moment, so i have zero faith we will recover it.

[allmodcons]

What difference would learning from the mistakes of the past make if it truly was a lottery. A lottery would suggest any lessons learned would be redundant as the odds of a successful hire remain the same.

I'm not sure the board will see it as a lottery, it's my personal opinion. If they're doing their job correctly the board will be well aware of past mistakes and, hopefully, won't take any hasty decisions without seriously considering the consequences.

[Centre Hawf]

One of the world's biggest football clubs got rid of "the special one" and replaced him with the Molde manager.

He gets on with the players, picks sensible line-ups, doesn't make multiple changes every week and has manages to get more out of a talented group of players than his highly regarded predecessor ever did.

I don't care what Lennon's reputation is. At the moment he's not living up to it.

He needs to start living up to it or he needs to get out.

Stubbs was untried and didn't have the reputation in the game that Butcher did. Mowbray was untried and didn't have the reputation that Williamson did, yet both of these guys were far better managers for Hibs than the men they took over from.

We need to stop being in awe of this guy whilst he's not cutting it.

If he turns this around we can go back to fawning over him.

:agree:

This constant "WHO COULD WE GET THATS BETTER?! CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR" is tedious. Just because you can't name someone off the top of your head doesn't mean no one is out there. Even still it would be pointless to name anyone because we wouldn't know if they're a fit, or even interested.

The Man Utd situation isn't that far off showing signs of ours to be perfectly honest, albeit at far different end of the footballing scale.

[we are hibs]

Why didn't you watch the other 43 minutes?

I did. Just admit he isn't as good as you make out. You would think he's zidane or something in the middle of the park the way you go on. There is nothing wrong with defending a player who you genuinely believe is good and fair play to anyone who speaks what they genuinely think but you overdo it with slivka quite a lot.

[HibeeHibernian4]

Not once did I say we had sacked any managers previously. I’m stating that we had a great first season under Lennon getting promoted a fantastic second campaign as our first season back up and now we’re having his first average campaign folk want him sacked! It’s totally embarrassing imo and we should be careful what we wish for if were going to start sacking managers because they have there first blip in 3 years!!

Just flat out wrong to say it was a great season. The job was done, and not particularly convincingly either. It was sweetened by a pumping of Hearts in the replay and victories over Bonnyrigg Rose and Ayr United took us to Hampden, where Lennon set us up terribly and cost us a place in the final against an Aberdeen side renowned for choking in Glasgow.

[Malthibby]

He absolutely needs our backing until the end of the season, far too early to start chucking the manager.
If this continues & we go out the cup, then meybes we would need to look at what is/was going wrong but
we still have half the season.
Need to get behind him, need to get behind the team.
GG

[matty_f]

He absolutely needs our backing until the end of the season, far too early to start chucking the manager.
If this continues & we go out the cup, then meybes we would need to look at what is/was going wrong but
we still have half the season.
Need to get behind him, need to get behind the team.
GG

:agree: This is how I feel about it as well.

[HibeeHibernian4]

Yes mate we know you have a chronic hard on over Stubbs,doesn't really bring anything to the debate though does it.

It's genuinely embarrassing seeing you attack Stubbs as a way of defending Lennon.

Here's the reality for you, Stubbs will be remembered and adored forever while Lennon will most likely slink off after our 8th placed finish this season, complaining to the media about a lack of budget while morons like John Hartson eat it up wholesale.

[B.H.F.C]

He absolutely needs our backing until the end of the season, far too early to start chucking the manager.
If this continues & we go out the cup, then meybes we would need to look at what is/was going wrong but
we still have half the season.
Need to get behind him, need to get behind the team.
GG

It’s not too early to be thinking about it. We’ve won 2 in 13 in the league now. That’s a third of the season.

There wasn’t anything on show last night that suggested the form this side of the break will be better than it was before it.

I’m not saying he should get the bullet right now but we can’t let this rumble on indefinitely.

[pacoluna]

It's genuinely embarrassing seeing you attack Stubbs as a way of defending Lennon.

Here's the reality for you, Stubbs will be remembered and adored forever while Lennon will most likely slink off after our 8th placed finish this season, complaining to the media about a lack of budget while morons like John Hartson eat it up wholesale.

Shut up you hypocritical muppet I wasn't the one who brought Stubbs up.
He's remembered by me in the same regards as you when it comes to the Scottish cup.

For all you prepubescent acting, moaning, nauseating,never of this forum idiots who claim i attack Stubbs please give me an example.

[MWHIBBIES]

I did. Just admit he isn't as good as you make out. You would think he's zidane or something in the middle of the park the way you go on. There is nothing wrong with defending a player who you genuinely believe is good and fair play to anyone who speaks what they genuinely think but you overdo it with slivka quite a lot.

I don't overdo it. I think he is a very good player who we are a much better team with. That is what I genuinely think. Dropping him last night was extremely silly and contributed to another dismal performance.

[calumhibee1]

Shut up you hypocritical muppet I wasn't the one who brought Stubbs up.
He's remembered by me in the same regards as you when it comes to the Scottish cup.

For all you prepubescent acting, moaning, nauseating,never of this forum idiots who claim i attack Stubbs please give me an example.

This just an attempt to see how many insults you can rattle off in one post? :confused:

[calumhibee1]

I don't overdo it. I think he is a very good player who we are a much better team with. That is what I genuinely think. Dropping him last night was extremely silly and contributed to another dismal performance.

I find Slivka weird. I don’t agree with him being a very good player, I think he’s average but I would agree we’re a much better team with him in it. I feel he’s by far the closest to a proper rounded centre midfielder we have which is probably why I feel he helps the team in that regard. I just feel he’s rounded in an average at everything way if that makes sense :greengrin

[Smartie]

I don't overdo it. I think he is a very good player who we are a much better team with. That is what I genuinely think. Dropping him last night was extremely silly and contributed to another dismal performance.

He's getting into 1st name on the team sheet territory for me, we got to see what the midfield looked like without him and it wasn't pretty.

We improved when he went on.

Slivka was good during our recent revival and was good in a pretty poor team performance last night.

I don't think we've got a better midfield 3 than Slivka, Gauld and Bartley right now.

[pacoluna]

This just an attempt to see how many insults you can rattle off in one post? :confused:

No it's my response to those who suggested I "attack Stubbs" when I don't. I don't really give a toss about Stubbs atm he's in the past, that's not me attacking him. It's just me being bored of you lot bringing up his name at every bloody point when criticizing the current management. As someone mentioned before it's the same **** different day on this forum, it's not even debate.

[Greenworld]

Their is something very wrong and has been for a while .the bizarre behaviour of lennon.the silence from leanne D we are on a slippery slope and it needs addressed.
Lennon has for ages now had us scratching get our heads with constant team changes if it is a Jose m situation then we all can see what happened at man United
Time for Acton bye Neil

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[SirDavidsNapper]

Lennons embarrassing behaviour at Tynecastle last season should have seen him emptied. He probably knows he can do as he pleases after that. How can he command respect from the players? Ripping them to shreds in the media has if anything made us even worse. He needs to go before he takes us even lower.

[pacoluna]

Apparently there were less than 2,000 at their game last night. It's a near miracle that Wright has kept St.Johnstone in the premier league every season, never mind challenging for the top 6.

Stj fans wanted wright out after a poor run of form at the start of the season, luckily the board stuck by him.

[Borderhibbie76]

Lennons embarrassing behaviour at Tynecastle last season should have seen him emptied. He probably knows he can do as he pleases after that. How can he command respect from the players? Ripping them to shreds in the media has if anything made us even worse. He needs to go before he takes us even lower.This is where I am with it all...lost a lot of respect for him after Tynecastlelast season...he seems to think he's bigger than the club. Twice now he has threatened to walk away...if be totally indifferent if he followed thru with it tbh

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[CapitalGreen]

:agree:

This constant "WHO COULD WE GET THATS BETTER?! CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR" is tedious. Just because you can't name someone off the top of your head doesn't mean no one is out there. Even still it would be pointless to name anyone because we wouldn't know if they're a fit, or even interested.

The Man Utd situation isn't that far off showing signs of ours to be perfectly honest, albeit at far different end of the footballing scale.

Wholeheartedly agree with the part in bold. I doubt many were suggesting Stubbs name in 2014 and even fewer (if any) suggesting Mowbray in 2004. If history is anything to go by, the suggestions from fans should probably be avoided at all costs.

[calumhibee1]

Wholeheartedly agree with the part in bold. I doubt many were suggesting Stubbs name in 2014 and even fewer (if any) suggesting Mowbray in 2004. If history is anything to go by, the suggestions from fans should probably be avoided at all costs.

Generally speaking guys like Stubbs and Mogga are the market we operate in. Throw in other SPL managers and that’s probably about our lot. To expect fans to be able to tell you about the exciting reserve coach at Liverpool looking to make the break into first team football or the unemployed guy who managed at a decent level a couple of years ago is unrealistic. I’d expect Hibs to know about these kind of guys however.

[thebausburst]

Bottom line is Lennon’s signings have generally been poor/underwhelming, especially the foreign ones, some like McLaren and Kamberi started off really well and then faded badly reasons for which are unclear i.e. injury, confidence, tactics/management

[HibeeHibernian4]

Bottom line is Lennon’s signings have generally been poor/underwhelming, especially the foreign ones, some like McLaren and Kamberi started off really well and then faded badly reasons for which are unclear i.e. injury, confidence, tactics/management

I'm sure Kamberi's confidence could do without being publicly slated every other week despite getting almost no service from a system that Lennon implements.

[CapitalGreen]

Bottom line is Lennon’s signings have generally been poor/underwhelming, especially the foreign ones, some like McLaren and Kamberi started off really well and then faded badly reasons for which are unclear i.e. injury, confidence, tactics/management

This is nothing new, he had a lot more misses than hits in his recruitment at Celtic and Bolton too. I’m never filled with confidence when people talking about him doing a rebuilding job on our squad.

[MWHIBBIES]

He's getting into 1st name on the team sheet territory for me, we got to see what the midfield looked like without him and it wasn't pretty.

We improved when he went on.

Slivka was good during our recent revival and was good in a pretty poor team performance last night.

I don't think we've got a better midfield 3 than Slivka, Gauld and Bartley right now.Couldn't agree more.

[Bangkok Hibby]

This is nothing new, he had a lot more misses than hits in his recruitment at Celtic and Bolton too. I’m never filled with confidence when people talking about him doing a rebuilding job on our squad.

I really can't make my mind up. Is he a good manager because we won the title in the Championship and finished 4th last year. Or is he lacking because he doesnt know what formation to play with a depleted squad? Would anyone else do better? Is it a Mourinho situation?

[paddy1875]

I’m starting to think that John McGinn and Dylan we’re picking the team last year.


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[Iain G]

I really can't make my mind up. Is he a good manager because we won the title in the Championship and finished 4th last year. Or is he lacking because he doesnt know what formation to play with a depleted squad? Would anyone else do better? Is it a Mourinho situation?

I dunno if we could afford Mourinho?

[Bangkok Hibby]

I dunno if we could afford Mourinho?

he's lost it....wouldn't have him 😂😂😂

[ahibby]

I dunno if we could afford Mourinho?

Give him to end if season.paltry 5th and good cup run keep him considering rebuild and injuries.

[Hibees1973]

It is clear that our attempts, so far, to replace our midfield from last season have been unsuccessful.

Allan is the first piece of the jigsaw as I doubt, Horgan, Mallan, Aygepong, Milligan are up to it. Hyndman has already been emptied after his poor run with us.

Things don’t seem right to me at Easter Road. Lennon has players out of position and doesn’t play those who should be in the team, for example, Gray.

The overall mood seems down and the players are not doing it for him.

Hibs transfer policy is not hitting the mark. Is this Lennon’s fault or the recruitment team. Lennon should have the final say so I’d blame him.

Hibs have spent a fair bit of money so far so it is galling to see the likes of Kilmarnock and St Johnstone performing well.

I still think Lennon should be given more time. We have had a horrendous time with injuries and players out of form.

I am getting impatient though and still hope for a top 6 place and cup final appearance.

If we cannot achieve this I think Lennon will resign.

[blackpoolhibs]

I think he should be sacked, and replaced with Paul Heckingbottom.

Hearing good things about him. :greengrin