Multiple Stabbings In Manchester Victoria Station

[Hermit Crab]

Unbelievable. Life in jail is the only punishment for these pricks that carry and use knives.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8094731/three-people-stabbed-at-manchester-victoria-station-during-new-years-eve-celebrations/

[Just Jimmy]

I'm not at work tonight. feeling pretty useless in the house. my mates at work are all ok which is good. hope those involved are ok.



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[Hermit Crab]

I'm not at work tonight. feeling pretty useless in the house. my mates at work are all ok which is good. hope those involved are ok.



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Do you work in Victoria station or the NHS ? Good stuff that your mates are all ok. :aok:

[Pete]

This might be terrorist related.

[DetroitHibs]

This Alan's Snackbar has a lot to answer for :wink:

[wpj]

These cretins are not followers of Islam just nutters. Unfortunately it feeds the Tommy Robinsons of this world. Between his kind and the erse that carried out this attack it can only escalate.

[Moulin Yarns]

This might be terrorist related.

Police keeping an open mind on motive.

[Just Jimmy]

Do you work in Victoria station or the NHS ? Good stuff that your mates are all ok. :aok:

Yeah. Everyone is fine. Few hairy moments by all accounts but all ok. The police sergeant is out of hospital and the two members of the public are serious but not life threatening so best that can be hoped for atm.

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[Ryan69]

This might be terrorist related.

If you heard what he was shouting...it may give the game away.


But shhhh....Cultural Enrichment is good. :)

[hibsbollah]

If you heard what he was shouting...it may give the game away.


But shhhh....Cultural Enrichment is good. :)

Indeed it is. Otherwise you'd be eating turnips.

[Ryan69]

Indeed it is. Otherwise you'd be eating turnips.

From some countries yes!

But when people come here that hate the west,have no interest in integrating,want too maim and kill innocent people...its abit different.

[hibsbollah]

From some countries yes!

But when people come here that hate the west,have no interest in integrating,want too maim and kill innocent people...its abit different.

That wasn't your point. You said cultural enrichment is good. I agree with you. Unless you were being sarcastic?

But that would be peculiar for two reasons 1. Trying to make a political point out of someone being affected by a violent crime, which is a bit classless, and 2. Isn't cultural enrichment is by definition a good thing. Unless you prefer cultural empoverishment?

[Ryan69]

That wasn't your point. You said cultural enrichment is good. I agree with you. Unless you were being sarcastic?

But that would be peculiar for two reasons 1. Trying to make a political point out of someone being affected by a violent crime, which is a bit classless, and 2. Isn't cultural enrichment is by definition a good thing. Unless you prefer cultural empoverishment?

Its pretty obvious it was sarcasm..

Where do you get the Cultural empoverishment joke from?

[hibsbollah]

Its pretty obvious it was sarcasm..

Where do you get the Cultural empoverishment joke from?

Empoverishment is the opposite of enrichment. The thing you were being sarcastic about.

[Hibrandenburg]

If you heard what he was shouting...it may give the game away.


But shhhh....Cultural Enrichment is good. :)

This is a logic that I don't get. Demonize 22% of the world's population because of the views and actions of a tiny tiny tiny minority, it doesn't make sense unless you're trying to fit the narrative to fit your own twisted logic. A logic that would also mean that all Hibs fans are racist because some dinosaur was shouting abuse at black players.

[Pete]

**** him.

Stick this sad, pathetic loser in jail and let’s get on with the rest of our lives in peace.

[Hibby70]

**** him.

Stick this sad, pathetic loser in jail and let’s get on with the rest of our lives in peace.

You may not agree with Ryan69 but that's a bit extreme.

[Colr]

From some countries yes!

But when people come here that hate the west,have no interest in integrating,want too maim and kill innocent people...its abit different.

They mostly don’t though. They come here to escape the corropt and violent regimes in their own countries and to try to work and build a life in a way that is just not possible in many parts of the world.

[Hibrandenburg]

You may not agree with Ryan69 but that's a bit extreme.

:tee hee:

[Ryan69]

This is a logic that I don't get. Demonize 22% of the world's population because of the views and actions of a tiny tiny tiny minority, it doesn't make sense unless you're trying to fit the narrative to fit your own twisted logic. A logic that would also mean that all Hibs fans are racist because some dinosaur was shouting abuse at black players.

Whatever happened to simple vetting processes?
If your on a watchlist...deport them.

Its really not that hard.

I guarantee it will come out shortly that the guy was known to police and was under surveillance.

If you arrive with absolutely nothing that states who you are...There is generally a reason for that!

[Ryan69]

They mostly don’t though. They come here to escape the corropt and violent regimes in their own countries and to try to work and build a life in a way that is just not possible in many parts of the world.

How many do you find that actually pay tax???

They all drive taxis,work in shops that only accept cash,hairdressing.

All jobs you can lie about how much you earnt.

So its also possible to claim benefits too.

[Hibrandenburg]

How many do you find that actually pay tax???

They all drive taxis,work in shops that only accept cash,hairdressing.

All jobs you can lie about how much you earnt.

So its also possible to claim benefits too.

They all? :faf:

[speedy_gonzales]

Whatever happened to simple vetting processes?
If your on a watchlist...deport them.

Its really not that hard.


To where, the country of their birth? Will more than likely be county! The vast majority of Muslim people (and we are talking about Muslims, right?) on these islands were born here, maybe 3rd, 4th, 5th generation British.
Of the miniscule minority that are on a watchlist or cause terror offences, I reckon a majority are British.

[Just Jimmy]

Whatever happened to simple vetting processes?
If your on a watchlist...deport them.

Its really not that hard.

I guarantee it will come out shortly that the guy was known to police and was under surveillance.

If you arrive with absolutely nothing that states who you are...There is generally a reason for that!
How many do you find that actually pay tax???

They all drive taxis,work in shops that only accept cash,hairdressing.

All jobs you can lie about how much you earnt.

So its also possible to claim benefits too.My word...

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[matty_f]

My word...

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Gobsmacking levels of ignorance, eh?

[Just Jimmy]

Gobsmacking levels of ignorance, eh?As someone who lives in the city this happened in, and works with the community in Manchester every day, it couldn't be further from the truth.

it's astoundingly ignorant.

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[IGRIGI]

When the first response of everyone is to make sure no one offends Muslims or Islam it's really no wonder Europe is going down the drains.

Thank **** my partner is Brazilian and we've got Bolsonaro in charge from today.

[Colr]

How many do you find that actually pay tax???

They all drive taxis,work in shops that only accept cash,hairdressing.

All jobs you can lie about how much you earnt.

So its also possible to claim benefits too.

They own half of the ******g shops!

They start businesses here and work hard because in the corrupt countries they come from they are restricted from doing so. You’re accusation says more about you than them. Maybe you should be more woke, as they say these days.

Have a chat with some working people in the shops and buses and other places and quiz them about not paying their tax.

[matty_f]

When the first response of everyone is to make sure no one offends Muslims or Islam it's really no wonder Europe is going down the drains.

Thank **** my partner is Brazilian and we've got Bolsonaro in charge from today.

Who made sure nobody offended Muslims or Islam?

[Colr]

Who made sure nobody offended Muslims or Islam?

Gammons seem to be the most easily offended these days it would seem.

[beensaidbefore]

Gammons? Surely that's akin to darkies?

[Pete]

What’s a gammon?

:confused:

[Moulin Yarns]

What’s a gammon?

:confused:

A cured ham, sometimes smoked.

[Moulin Yarns]

Meanwhile in Germany


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46730472

[Hibernia&Alba]

What’s a gammon?

:confused:

I believe it refers to angry, old right wing men who get very red in the face very quickly. I believe Charles Dickens used the term satirically to describe insensitive bullies.

[Hibrandenburg]

Meanwhile in Germany


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46730472

Another nutcase.

[hibsbollah]

Whatever happened to simple vetting processes?
If your on a watchlist...deport them.

Its really not that hard.

I guarantee it will come out shortly that the guy was known to police and was under surveillance.

If you arrive with absolutely nothing that states who you are...There is generally a reason for that!

To where are you going to deport the guy who stabbed and shot and killed Jo Cox MP? Or Anders Breivik who shot all those Norwegian kids in a politically motivated killing? Or the dude who ran over the peaceful old imam on a pavement because he couldn't find Jeremy Corbyn?

Most UK terrorists under surveillance are white.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/terror-arrests-white-people-number-home-office-ethic-group-asian-a8535551.html

[Colr]

To where are you going to deport the guy who stabbed and shot and killed Jo Cox MP? Or Anders Breivik who shot all those Norwegian kids in a politically motivated killing? Or the dude who ran over the peaceful old imam on a pavement because he couldn't find Jeremy Corbyn?

Most UK terrorists under surveillance are white.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/terror-arrests-white-people-number-home-office-ethic-group-asian-a8535551.html

Or this guy who has undertaken a similar attack to that at Finsbury Park Mosque. Extremists are the problem here!!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/01/man-drives-car-into-crowd-bottrop-germany

[Colr]

I believe it refers to angry, old right wing men who get very red in the face very quickly. I believe Charles Dickens used the term satirically to describe insensitive bullies.

Didn’t know the Dickens connection!!

[cabbageandribs1875]

meanwhile London sees it's first fatal stabbings of 2019

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46728460

[IGRIGI]

https://voiceofeurope.com/2019/01/german-town-in-shock-after-refugees-hospitalised-9-people-during-orgy-of-violence/?fbclid=IwAR1TPPYnpgYUgut_ejmG9YJ9n3KE9pLzhKaBdT4U g2A9t34tov5eA8Ldaas#.XCtw3ruFJCJ.twitter


#refugeeswelcome
#diversityisourstrength
#multiculturalism

[matty_f]

https://voiceofeurope.com/2019/01/german-town-in-shock-after-refugees-hospitalised-9-people-during-orgy-of-violence/?fbclid=IwAR1TPPYnpgYUgut_ejmG9YJ9n3KE9pLzhKaBdT4U g2A9t34tov5eA8Ldaas#.XCtw3ruFJCJ.twitter


#refugeeswelcome
#diversityisourstrength
#multiculturalism

Good find, those four refugees are a great representation of all refugees.

[Hibbyradge]

How many do you find that actually pay tax???

They all drive taxis,work in shops that only accept cash,hairdressing.

All jobs you can lie about how much you earnt.

So its also possible to claim benefits too.

Actually, that's a fair point.

All the white, UK born taxi drivers I know declare every penny they earn, including tips. Gawd bless 'em.

Amazon and GAP and Starbucks and Apple are all Islamic tax avoiding fronts.

[Colr]

Manchester knife attacked has been sectioned under the mental health act.

[McD]

If you heard what he was shouting...it may give the game away.


But shhhh....Cultural Enrichment is good. :)


Whatever happened to simple vetting processes?
If your on a watchlist...deport them.

Its really not that hard.

I guarantee it will come out shortly that the guy was known to police and was under surveillance.

If you arrive with absolutely nothing that states who you are...There is generally a reason for that!


You guarantee? Are you a member of the security or police services? If not, that’s a massive assumption to make. Terrible and tragic happenings such as this are not always related to terrorists or Islam. For example, there are many shootings happening in America, many of these are sod all to do with Islam, although some may be.

It is just as likely that someone who arrives here with no papers it’s because they have fled or been chased out of their home by people who aren’t as humane as we’d all like the world to be.

Do you know what the purpose of a watchlist is? Someone would be on one so that we (our police/security services) can monitor their actions to determine IF they are someone to be wary of. Your plan mentioned above negates that whole process, and simply deports those who are possibly suspicious. Who decides such a status? And how would they make such a decision if we aren’t allowed to watch them in the first instance?




How many do you find that actually pay tax???

They all drive taxis,work in shops that only accept cash,hairdressing.

All jobs you can lie about how much you earnt.

So its also possible to claim benefits too.


wow! They all? This comment is up there with the fella from Saturday night. It’s quite staggeringly insulting, possibly to some of your fellow posters on here.

since you have described this in such a negative way, can we all assume you refuse to use these shops and hairdressers, or never get in a taxi with an Islamic driver? Or do you ask them for proof of religion and proof of who they are before you’ll engage their services?

[NAE NOOKIE]

When the first response of everyone is to make sure no one offends Muslims or Islam it's really no wonder Europe is going down the drains.

Thank **** my partner is Brazilian and we've got Bolsonaro in charge from today.

Thank **** I'm not Brazilian and having to live in a country run by that prick :aok:

[HNA1]

Gammons? Surely that's akin to darkies?

Not even close.

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[NAE NOOKIE]

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:aok:

[McD]

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:top marks

[beensaidbefore]

Not even close.

Certainly designed to offend. I would have thought in this day and age, using someones skin colour to discriminate would be condemned by eveyone. Apparently not.

[matty_f]

Certainly designed to offend. I would have thought in this day and age, using someones skin colour to discriminate would be condemned by eveyone. Apparently not.

As far as I'm aware, the term "gammon" refers to the attribute of getting annoyed at everything "different" i.e immigrants, LGBT, etc and can be applied to people regardless of the colour of their skin.

[beensaidbefore]

As far as I'm aware, the term "gammon" refers to the attribute of getting annoyed at everything "different" i.e immigrants, LGBT, etc and can be applied to people regardless of the colour of their skin.

Perhaps I have got the wrong end of the stick then. I understood it to mean a derogatory term for middle aged white men with a rosey face.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/05/new-left-wing-insult-gammon-racist-towards-white-men%3famp

[CropleyWasGod]

Manchester knife attacked has been sectioned under the mental health act.

Time to deport all those on anti-depressants 🙄

[Hibbyradge]

Perhaps I have got the wrong end of the stick then. I understood it to mean a derogatory term for middle aged white men with a rosey face.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/05/new-left-wing-insult-gammon-racist-towards-white-men%3famp

It's certainly an insult, but it's not racist.

[Bristolhibby]

It's certainly an insult, but it's not racist.

This. You also have to add that said Man is always constantly angry at something, some one or a group of people.

It’s the perpetual rage that makes him Gammon. Often seen reading the Daily Mail.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/372/206/aa7.png

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[matty_f]

Perhaps I have got the wrong end of the stick then. I understood it to mean a derogatory term for middle aged white men with a rosey face.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/05/new-left-wing-insult-gammon-racist-towards-white-men%3famp

After looking it up, the definitions do state that it's usually used to describe middle aged white men, however I don't think it's racist add it's not the colour of their skin that's being targeted or even especially relevant - it's the anger that's the target and so it could be used across races.

The difference between gammon and "darkies" is that the latter could be used as a pejorative against any black person, whereas the former could not apply to any white person.

That's how I see it.

[CropleyWasGod]

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There is no room for racism on Hibs.net.

As much as I abhor the far right, is that not a political allegiance in itself? As such, should the expression of such views not be allowed as part of the political debate that exists on this site?

I'm always uncomfortable with the suppression of political views,no matter how much I might disagree with them. I'd far rather have them challenged and ridiculed in open debate than have them claim some sort of censorship and martyrdom.

[ronaldo7]

Certainly designed to offend. I would have thought in this day and age, using someones skin colour to discriminate would be condemned by eveyone. Apparently not.

I tend to find, James cleverly, and Kwasi Kwarteng, a bit gammon. More to do with their views rather than their skin colour.

[beensaidbefore]

Thanks for the replies. Seems I was a bit off the mark. Apologies if any offence caused. I genuinely thought it was purely a reference to skin colour.

Edit. Aplolgies also to Colr for any implication he used a racist term.

[HNA1]

As much as I abhor the far right, is that not a political allegiance in itself? As such, should the expression of such views not be allowed as part of the political debate that exists on this site?

I'm always uncomfortable with the suppression of political views,no matter how much I might disagree with them. I'd far rather have them challenged and ridiculed in open debate than have them claim some sort of censorship and martyrdom.

The site won't be a platform for extremist or racist viewpoints, if people want to express them then they can - just not here.

[CropleyWasGod]

The site won't be a platform for extremist or racist viewpoints, if people want to express them then they can - just not here.

I'm curious as to where the line is for "extremism". UKIP, for example, are a legitimate political party. Are you happy for members on here to express support for them?
Similarly, how do you view those on here with far-left views?

[HNA1]

I'm curious as to where the line is for "extremism". UKIP, for example, are a legitimate political party. Are you happy for members on here to express support for them?
Similarly, how do you view those on here with far-left views?

I think when it crosses into racist rhetoric then the line has been crossed.

Saying immigration is bad, for example, is fine and wanted an independent UK is fine. Saying all Muslims are tax dodging taxi drivers (for example) isn't.

If we see far left posts that also are extreme then of course we'll deal with those as well.

[CropleyWasGod]

I think when it crosses into racist rhetoric then the line has been crossed.

Saying immigration is bad, for example, is fine and wanted an independent UK is fine. Saying all Muslims are tax dodging taxi drivers (for example) isn't.

If we see far left posts that also are extreme then of course we'll deal with those as well.

Ok ta.

I'm not criticising, more empathising that it can't be an easy job for you. One of the "weapons" of political extremism is crying "censorship", and claiming some sort of victory.

Thatcher tried it on with Sinn Fein and made an erse of it, handing them a huge propaganda gain.

I realise that I'm starting to sound sympathetic to our departed friend, so I'll away and wash my hands. 😁

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Excellent post and very welcomed by most Hibs.net folk

[cabbageandribs1875]

bring back hanging for **** like this, infact make it a double hanging...him and his vile faither


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46751312


A man held as part of the investigation into the murder of a security guard in Mayfair on New Year's Day is the son of the banned radical cleric Abu Hamza.

[Hibrandenburg]

bring back hanging for **** like this, infact make it a double hanging...him and his vile faither


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46751312


A man held as part of the investigation into the murder of a security guard in Mayfair on New Year's Day is the son of the banned radical cleric Abu Hamza.

"The force added the alleged offences were not linked to Mr Simionov's stabbing - which happened at about 05:30 - or the stabbing of three other people at the event."

Possessing a fire arm is a serious offence. But hanging???

[Viva_Palmeiras]

When the first response of everyone is to make sure no one offends Muslims or Islam it's really no wonder Europe is going down the drains.

Thank **** my partner is Brazilian and we've got Bolsonaro in charge from today.

Omg

[matty_f]

When the first response of everyone is to make sure no one offends Muslims or Islam it's really no wonder Europe is going down the drains.

Thank **** my partner is Brazilian and we've got Bolsonaro in charge from today.

Just checking if we managed to find out whose first response was to make sure nobody offended Muslims or Islam?

[Lendo]

Just checking if we managed to find out whose first response was to make sure nobody offended Muslims or Islam?

Nah, we are still waiting, might be a while. The right-wingers on here rarely come back with a response.