Can You Twerk...

[Keith_M]

This year, for the first time, The Ballon D'Or had two categories; Male and Female player of the year. The winner was a lady called Ada Hegerberg from Norway.

Her acceptance speech was intended to inspire girls/young women to stick at it in football and be the best they could.

“to young girls all over the world, please believe in yourself.”

That deserves to be remembered, but will probably be ignored because of the idiotic French DJ Martin Solveig who, when asking her for a celebratory dance, uttered the now immortal words...

"Can you twerk?" (https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/17274455.ada-hegerbergs-can-you-twerk-demand-a-return-to-the-get-them-out-for-the-lads-culture/)


Now, I'm not exactly what the young folks nowadays call 'woke', and even occasionally get royally pee'd off at newspapers like the Guardian when they go overboard in gender equality (and related issues), but even I was left wide jawed at that comment.

[jacomo]

Maybe football has less of a problem with sexism than the world of ‘International superstar Dee jays’?

Or maybe the guy’s just a p****?

Oddly, the massive negative reaction will probably do more to change attitudes than the award itself.

What a monumentally stupid thing to say.

[Centre Hawf]

It was disgraceful from Solveig. She handled it all very well.

[CropleyWasGod]

I take it there was a special award for this particular Balloon Door?

[The 90+2]

What’s twerking?

[Keith_M]

I take it there was a special award for this particular Balloon Door?


Funnily enough, that phrase crossed my mind as well.

[CropleyWasGod]

What’s twerking?

Communicating through one's erse.

Which is kind of what this guy did.

[MWHIBBIES]

Actually so stunning that I had to laugh. What an absolute neanderthal

[The Pointer]

Well, can she?

[The 90+2]

Communicating through one's erse.

Which is kind of what this guy did.

Farting?

[Edinburgh Green]

TBF, when you read the full context of it, it doesn't seem as bad.

Her Lyon team-mate Lucy Bronze, an England defender and Ballon d'Or nominee, told BBC Sport it was "just a joke".

"The DJ asked each person that won what their dance was but she can twerk, she was lying," she added. "It was more of a joke of making her dance."

[IGRIGI]

Everyone involved takes it as the joke it's meant to be but the social justice warriors and twitter drama queens can't miss an opportunity to show the world how superior they are due to their (moral) outrage and disgust.

[CropleyWasGod]

Everyone involved takes it as the joke it's meant to be but the social justice warriors and twitter drama queens can't miss an opportunity to show the world how superior they are due to their (moral) outrage and disgust.

QED :rolleyes:

[green day]

TBF, when you read the full context of it, it doesn't seem as bad.

Her Lyon team-mate Lucy Bronze, an England defender and Ballon d'Or nominee, told BBC Sport it was "just a joke".

"The DJ asked each person that won what their dance was but she can twerk, she was lying," she added. "It was more of a joke of making her dance."

Did he ask Modric the same question? Or did he just ask him "whats your favourite dance move?"

There is a difference.

He simply shouldnt be asking her if she can perform an overtly sexual dance move. Whether the player can twerk or not is neither here nor there.

[Baader]

Everyone involved takes it as the joke it's meant to be but the social justice warriors and twitter drama queens can't miss an opportunity to show the world how superior they are due to their (moral) outrage and disgust.

Like Andy Murray I suppose. Why do they even bother with these no mark clowns presenting awards?

[Brightside]

Did he ask Modric the same question? Or did he just ask him "whats your favourite dance move?"

There is a difference.

He simply shouldnt be asking her if she can perform an overtly sexual dance move. Whether the player can twerk or not is neither here nor there.

He got Mpappe to dance on stage. To ask her to twerk was daft, but as usual far too many people comment without seeing the full awards and gaining some context.

[green day]

He got Mpappe to dance on stage. To ask her to twerk was daft, but as usual far too many people comment without seeing the full awards and gaining some context.

Cool - did he ask Modric?

[easty]

He got Mpappe to dance on stage. To ask her to twerk was daft, but as usual far too many people comment without seeing the full awards and gaining some context.

:agree:

[hibsbollah]

Dinosaur.

The whole thing was also notable for one of these classic 'apologies without actually apologising' moments. The DJ filmed himself afterwards saying he was 'amazed and astonished' at the social media reaction, the people offended 'obviously didn't get the joke' but if so he apologizes, and then said it was all down to a poor English translation. Which doesn't really stand up to scrutiny since 'twerk' is the same word in French and English. :confused:

[CropleyWasGod]

Cool - did he ask Modric?

Since white men can't dance, probably not. :cb

[Brightside]

Cool - did he ask Modric?

I only watched some of it... :greengrin

He did play songs for all the people that came on stage. It was awful.The fact that Messi came 5th is a much bigger outrage than his stupid twerk comment.

[hibsbollah]

Everyone involved takes it as the joke it's meant to be but the social justice warriors and twitter drama queens can't miss an opportunity to show the world how superior they are due to their (moral) outrage and disgust.

You use this phrase on Hibs net so often I think you should just use the SJW acronym. Or alternatively just substitute the phrase 'not an outdated neanderthal tit'.

[green day]

I only watched some of it... :greengrin

He did play songs for all the people that came on stage.

No problem, I am not wanting to get into an argument about it as I only watched a bit too.

These things are usually pretty well choreographed (unless Mick Fleetwood and Sam Fox are involved.....) so either the DJ boy knew he was going to say it or he went off piste.

If you want to honour the best female, then treat her exactly the same as the best male - to do otherwise is amateur hour as it was always going to be questioned on social media.

It is worthy of a kick in the nads to whoever decided (because it was almost certainly a bloke :wink:)

[Stokesy's on fire]

Not a smart thing to come out with. I doubt he will get that job again.

[MWHIBBIES]

Everyone involved takes it as the joke it's meant to be but the social justice warriors and twitter drama queens can't miss an opportunity to show the world how superior they are due to their (moral) outrage and disgust.

Na, come on man. This isn't one of those cases. It was a ridiculous thing to say at an awards ceremony.

[Keith_M]

Of course it was a joke, I don't for a minute think he really wanted her to perform overtly sexual dance moves on stage at such a prestigious event.

The question that surely arises is, given the importance of the event, was that really an appropriate thing to be saying to the first ever female winner of the award? I suppose it is if the only thing that goes through your mind at such an occasion is, "oh look, a woman, time for a sexual innuendo".

And no, he didn't apologise. As others have said, he made one of those 'non-apologies', for PR purposes.

Miss Hegerberg has tried to make light of it, probably because she wants the occasion to be remembered for something else than a chronically inappropriate 'joke'.

By the way, I am in no way a 'Social Justice Warrior'. I'm actually a bit of a dinosaur.. who just happens to think young women, including his own daughter, should be looked on as fully developed people and not just as sex objects.




And breathe......

:greengrin

[SirDavidsNapper]

This year, for the first time, The Ballon D'Or had two categories; Male and Female player of the year. The winner was a lady called Ada Hegerberg from Norway.

Her acceptance speech was intended to inspire girls/young women to stick at it in football and be the best they could.

“to young girls all over the world, please believe in yourself.”

That deserves to be remembered, but will probably be ignored because of the idiotic French DJ Martin Solveig who, when asking her for a celebratory dance, uttered the now immortal words...

"Can you twerk?" (https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/17274455.ada-hegerbergs-can-you-twerk-demand-a-return-to-the-get-them-out-for-the-lads-culture/)


Now, I'm not exactly what the young folks nowadays call 'woke', and even occasionally get royally pee'd off at newspapers like the Guardian when they go overboard in gender equality (and related issues), but even I was left wide jawed at that comment.

Looking for publicity or very poor judgement. One of the two.

[CropleyWasGod]

Of course it was a joke, I don't for a minute think he really wanted her to perform overtly sexual dance moves on stage at such a prestigious event.

The question that surely arises is, given the importance of the event, was that really an appropriate thing to be saying to the first ever female winner of the award? I suppose it is if the only thing that goes through your mind at such an occasion is, "oh look, a woman, time for a sexual innuendo".

And no, he didn't apologise. As others have said, he made one of those 'non-apologies', for PR purposes.

Miss Hegerberg has tried to make light of it, probably because she wants the occasion to be remembered for something else than a chronically inappropriate 'joke'.

By the way, I am in no way a 'Social Justice Warrior'. I'm actually a bit of a dinosaur.. who just happens to think young women, including his own daughter, should be looked on as fully developed people and not just as sex objects.




And breathe......

:greengrin

Is it okay to look at old women as sex objects, then?

Asking for a friend.

[Keith_M]

Is it okay to look at old women as sex objects, then?

Asking for a friend.


Jeezo, no that 'friend' of yours again


:rolleyes:

[Pretty Boy]

Stunning stupidity.

It's pretty much impossible to think of an excuse for it even with the 'he asked everyone to dance' context.

[Since90+2]

Her goalscoring record is phenomenal. 237 goals in 233 ganes.

Get her signed up.

[Big_Franck]

I watched a short after ceremony interview with the player this morning and she didn't seem to have been offended by it at all. Why people feel the need to get offended on someone else's behalf baffles me. Surely you can find better things to fill your time with than joining in a twitter outrage storm. Our lives must be really easy if this is the kind of thing that makes headline news.

[jacomo]

Everyone involved takes it as the joke it's meant to be but the social justice warriors and twitter drama queens can't miss an opportunity to show the world how superior they are due to their (moral) outrage and disgust.


Or maybe you might reflect on the reaction, and think that the comment could be seen as inappropriate?

[Ozyhibby]

I watched a short after ceremony interview with the player this morning and she didn't seem to have been offended by it at all. Why people feel the need to get offended on someone else's behalf baffles me. Surely you can find better things to fill your time with than joining in a twitter outrage storm. Our lives must be really easy if this is the kind of thing that makes headline news.

She handled it brilliantly and will be moving on from the whole thing in short order but there is good reason to say this sort of thing is totally unacceptable. It’s about protecting women and girls playing sport at every level and showing them the respect they deserve.
And btw, it’s it surely well established that our lives are really easy because of the time we spend on Hibs.net talking about football.
This won’t keep me awake at night but I can also find time to say this guy is a dick and this is crap behaviour.


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[HoboHarry]

I'd be chuffed if some woman asked me if I could twerk. Not that I know what it is mind but I would definitely say yes please......

[The Green Goblin]

Everyone involved takes it as the joke it's meant to be but the social justice warriors and twitter drama queens can't miss an opportunity to show the world how superior they are due to their (moral) outrage and disgust.

Sounds like you are offended...

[Speedway]

It was certainly ill-advised but the whole #metoo movement is starting to get on my threppennies.

ALL humans should be protected against sexual discrimination.

I wonder how fast travel companies feel like being about banning hen party excursions where male genetalia is mocked, celebrated and abused.

Surely that's sexual harrassment no?

[nonshinyfinish]

Did Solveig not play CH for Aberdeen back in the day?

[speedy_gonzales]

He simply shouldnt be asking her if she can perform an overtly sexual dance move. Whether the player can twerk or not is neither here nor there.


Of course it was a joke, I don't for a minute think he really wanted her to perform overtly sexual dance moves on stage at such a prestigious event.


Is twerking really an overtly sexual dance move? I believe it originates from similar dance moves found in west Africa, in fact it's not too dissimilar from the Butterfly where again women gyrate in such a fashion that it accentuates their derriere movement (much like many dance moves).
The only folk I see/have seen doing it are girls/ladies/women and I can't see say I see the sexual attraction nor did I think they weren't enjoying themselves.

Now daggering, that's a whole different matter!

[Keith_M]

It was certainly ill-advised but the whole #metoo movement is starting to get on my threppennies.

ALL humans should be protected against sexual discrimination.

I wonder how fast travel companies feel like being about banning hen party excursions where male genetalia is mocked, celebrated and abused.

Surely that's sexual harrassment no?


Surely we can discuss each issue on it's own merits.

It has nothing to do with #metoo, it was raised on here by a male dinosaur (moi!) This is a football related issue and needs to be discussed.

If you're aware of any incidents similar to the ones you describe, then feel free to raise them with the airline.

[Keith_M]

Is twerking really an overtly sexual dance move?


Yes.

Next question please.

[Sir David Gray]

Did Solveig not play CH for Aberdeen back in the day?

Close. That was Thomas Solberg.

[hibsbollah]

It was certainly ill-advised but the whole #metoo movement is starting to get on my threppennies.

ALL humans should be protected against sexual discrimination.

I wonder how fast travel companies feel like being about banning hen party excursions where male genetalia is mocked, celebrated and abused.

Surely that's sexual harrassment no?

The #metoo movement is about sexual violence and rape. It's not ill advised, it's absolutely necessary. I'm sure us men can cope with the occasional hen night high jinks without making vacuous claims of moral equivalence.

I think the topic discussed is about women getting the respect the increased professionalism of their sport deserves.

[speedy_gonzales]

Yes.

Next question please.

OK then, next question is do you think it appropriate that young kids were encouraged/allowed to twerk by their parents at a Christmas party a few years ago as was fashionable to do so because of the exposure Miley Cyrus got whilst twerking to Robin Thickes Blurred Lines.

Personally, if folk think twerking is overtly sexual then it's no surprise that radio stations are banning "Baby it's cold outside" from their playlist because it's clearly advocating date rape :rolleyes:

[Northernhibee]

It was certainly ill-advised but the whole #metoo movement is starting to get on my threppennies.

ALL humans should be protected against sexual discrimination.

I wonder how fast travel companies feel like being about banning hen party excursions where male genetalia is mocked, celebrated and abused.

Surely that's sexual harrassment no?

The vast, vast majority of cases of sexual harassment and/or assault are against women, the the majority of sexual assaults on men are committed by other men. Not an opinion, but a fact. Over 90% of those who commit a sexual assault will not spent one day in prison - that's a fact as well. Sixty three per cent of sexual assaults are not reported.

Speak to women openly and in an unbiaised manner about it. I've spoken to it with my partner, her friends, my female friends quite openly and they're all in the same boat - they've experienced everything from groping to more serious sexual assault and a boss saying that if they slept with him they could get a promotion. Most choose not to report it out of many reasons, fear, embarrassment but ultimately this isn't a case of SJWs or a twitter frenzy or anything like that, it's become normal which is ****ing terrifying.

The #metoo movement is only scratching the surface. It's time for men to be real men, see what has become normal and listen to those who wish to openly talk about their experiences as well as calling out those who exhibit laddish behaviour that infringes on others personal freedom and identity.

[Keith_M]

OK then, next question is do you think it appropriate that young kids were encouraged/allowed to twerk by their parents at a Christmas party a few years ago as was fashionable to do so because of the exposure Miley Cyrus got whilst twerking to Robin Thickes Blurred Lines.

Personally, if folk think twerking is overtly sexual then it's no surprise that radio stations are banning "Baby it's cold outside" from their playlist because it's clearly advocating date rape :rolleyes:


I'm sorry, are you trying to divert attention from one issue by raising another? I think it's called Whataboutery, or something like that.


To answer your first question in more detail... a dance where a woman jiggles her backside, often grinding it into the crotch of some guy, and is often performed for that very reason in so-called Gentleman's Clubs...

Too right it's overtly sexual.

[brianmc]

OK then, next question is do you think it appropriate that young kids were encouraged/allowed to twerk by their parents at a Christmas party a few years ago as was fashionable to do so because of the exposure Miley Cyrus got whilst twerking to Robin Thickes Blurred Lines.

Personally, if folk think twerking is overtly sexual then it's no surprise that radio stations are banning "Baby it's cold outside" from their playlist because it's clearly advocating date rape :rolleyes:

I'd suggest if folk DON'T think twerking is overtly sexual they need to modify what they're typing into Google - cos the videos that my search comes up with most definitely are!!! 😀

[CropleyWasGod]

OK then, next question is do you think it appropriate that young kids were encouraged/allowed to twerk by their parents at a Christmas party a few years ago as was fashionable to do so because of the exposure Miley Cyrus got whilst twerking to Robin Thickes Blurred Lines.

Personally, if folk think twerking is overtly sexual then it's no surprise that radio stations are banning "Baby it's cold outside" from their playlist because it's clearly advocating date rape :rolleyes:Sexual attraction is a personal thing. You don't find twerking sexual, and that's fine; many do.

The fact is , rightly or wrongly, Western society has generally defined it as sexual, no matter what its origins are.

As for your other point about the sexualisation of children, that's a whole other thread in itself.

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[Keith_M]

I'd suggest if folk DON'T think twerking is overtly sexual they need to modify what they're typing into Google - cos the videos that my search comes up with most definitely are!!! 😀


Cheers Bri, you put that a LOT better than I did

:greengrin

[matty_f]

You use this phrase on Hibs net so often I think you should just use the SJW acronym. Or alternatively just substitute the phrase 'not an outdated neanderthal tit'.

:agree:

[Pretty Boy]

The vast, vast majority of cases of sexual harassment and/or assault are against women, the the majority of sexual assaults on men are committed by other men. Not an opinion, but a fact. Over 90% of those who commit a sexual assault will not spent one day in prison - that's a fact as well. Sixty three per cent of sexual assaults are not reported.

Speak to women openly and in an unbiaised manner about it. I've spoken to it with my partner, her friends, my female friends quite openly and they're all in the same boat - they've experienced everything from groping to more serious sexual assault and a boss saying that if they slept with him they could get a promotion. Most choose not to report it out of many reasons, fear, embarrassment but ultimately this isn't a case of SJWs or a twitter frenzy or anything like that, it's become normal which is ****ing terrifying.

The #metoo movement is only scratching the surface. It's time for men to be real men, see what has become normal and listen to those who wish to openly talk about their experiences as well as calling out those who exhibit laddish behaviour that infringes on others personal freedom and identity.

:top marks

[Speedway]

The #metoo movement is about sexual violence and rape. It's not ill advised, it's absolutely necessary. I'm sure us men can cope with the occasional hen night high jinks without making vacuous claims of moral equivalence.

I think the topic discussed is about women getting the respect the increased professionalism of their sport deserves.

NO.

#metoo started to being about that, was popularised by Rose McGowen as Weinstein’s crimes came to light.

From there it sprouted to cover any perceived injustice and incident of sexism, from who can teach female university students to what language is deemed acceptable to be used by the many, by the few.

And if you can write off groping men by pissed women as ‘high jinks’ then I can write off a crap joke by some DJ as Ill advised.

[One Day Soon]

Sounds like you are offended...


:tee hee:

[speedy_gonzales]

I'm sorry, are you trying to divert attention from one issue by raising another? I think it's called Whataboutery, or something like that.


To answer your first question in more detail... a dance where a woman jiggles her backside, often grinding it into the crotch of some guy, and is often performed for that very reason in so-called Gentleman's Clubs...

Too right it's overtly sexual.

Whataboutery, yeah, that's what they call it!

I've not witnessed twerking in to the crotch of another, think that may be called something else, grinding even?
There are many, MANY, types of dance where women shake their booty in various fashions and they all have different names depending on the country of origin and musical genre.
Many of these dances have roots (loosely) based on fertility or even worship.
If we are to generalise all those dances in to one pot, then this happens most weekends in various clubs & bars and "parties", mostly ALWAYS by women (never seen a man twerk yet). Clearly it's just me but I've never seen ladies dance in such a fashion and assume or presume they were sexual moves in nature never mind overt ones.

S'pose it's all about opinions,,,,

[One Day Soon]

Of all the questions you could ask someone who has just won the ballon d'or and of all the 'jokes' you could make, why go for twerking? Oh yeah, because she's a woman. Utter ****ing clown.

[hibsbollah]

The vast, vast majority of cases of sexual harassment and/or assault are against women, the the majority of sexual assaults on men are committed by other men. Not an opinion, but a fact. Over 90% of those who commit a sexual assault will not spent one day in prison - that's a fact as well. Sixty three per cent of sexual assaults are not reported.

Speak to women openly and in an unbiaised manner about it. I've spoken to it with my partner, her friends, my female friends quite openly and they're all in the same boat - they've experienced everything from groping to more serious sexual assault and a boss saying that if they slept with him they could get a promotion. Most choose not to report it out of many reasons, fear, embarrassment but ultimately this isn't a case of SJWs or a twitter frenzy or anything like that, it's become normal which is ****ing terrifying.

The #metoo movement is only scratching the surface. It's time for men to be real men, see what has become normal and listen to those who wish to openly talk about their experiences as well as calling out those who exhibit laddish behaviour that infringes on others personal freedom and identity.

Great post.

[bingo70]

NO.

#metoo started to being about that, was popularised by Rose McGowen as Weinstein’s crimes came to light.

From there it sprouted to cover any perceived injustice and incident of sexism, from who can teach female university students to what language is deemed acceptable to be used by the many, by the few.

And if you can write off groping men by pissed women as ‘high jinks’ then I can write off a crap joke by some DJ as Ill advised.

Completely agree Speedway. There’s a guy I’ve seen interviewed on channel 4 news and again with some feminist on Facebook recently that absolutely nails the sexism argument, wish i could remember his name as I’d love to find more of his videos, anyway guys are victims of sexism every bit, in fact more than women imo. It’s just socially acceptable to be sexist against men.

Anyway, as for the point of this thread, I’m sorry if this makes me lesser of a person than the majority but the guy asked if she could do a dance, so what. just fake laugh it off, think he’s an erse and move on. It really isn’t a big deal.

[Northernhibee]

Completely agree Speedway. There’s a guy I’ve seen interviewed on channel 4 news and again with some feminist on Facebook recently that absolutely nails the sexism argument, wish i could remember his name as I’d love to find more of his videos, anyway guys are victims of sexism every bit, in fact more than women imo..


Just no. What you may experience isn't pleasant but imagine that becoming so bad that it becomes normalised to the point where many wouldn''t even debate it with you and just dismiss you as "some feminist" or a "SJW".

For a shocking statistic, if someone groped my partner in a pub and I lost the rag and lamped them, I'd be five times more likely to be arrested then them.

[green day]

Completely agree Speedway. There’s a guy I’ve seen interviewed on channel 4 news and again with some feminist on Facebook recently that absolutely nails the sexism argument, wish i could remember his name as I’d love to find more of his videos, anyway guys are victims of sexism every bit, in fact more than women imo. It’s just socially acceptable to be sexist against men.

Anyway, as for the point of this thread, I’m sorry if this makes me lesser of a person than the majority but the guy asked if she could do a dance, so what. just fake laugh it off, think he’s an erse and move on. It really isn’t a big deal.

I struggle to come up with anything to say about this - you dont actually believe that, do you????

[Mibbes Aye]

Completely agree Speedway. There’s a guy I’ve seen interviewed on channel 4 news and again with some feminist on Facebook recently that absolutely nails the sexism argument, wish i could remember his name as I’d love to find more of his videos, anyway guys are victims of sexism every bit, in fact more than women imo. It’s just socially acceptable to be sexist against men.

Anyway, as for the point of this thread, I’m sorry if this makes me lesser of a person than the majority but the guy asked if she could do a dance, so what. just fake laugh it off, think he’s an erse and move on. It really isn’t a big deal.

What a ridiculous statement. In fact it goes beyond ridiculous.

If you actually believe that you really need to open your eyes to the world.

[bingo70]

Just no. What you may experience isn't pleasant but imagine that becoming so bad that it becomes normalised to the point where many wouldn''t even debate it with you and just dismiss you as "some feminist" or a "SJW".

For a shocking statistic, if someone groped my partner in a pub and I lost the rag and lamped them, I'd be five times more likely to be arrested then them.

Just to clarify I’m not talking about sexual harassment or sexual assault.

I’m talking about sexist attitudes towards men.

To use a similar analogy to yours, if a woman was to lamp you in the pub what’s the chances of her being arrested compared to the same situation if it was you that lamped her?

[Since90+2]

I struggle to come up with anything to say about this - you dont actually believe that, do you????

I don't think it's that a ridiculous thing to say. There are certain things which are openly sexist against men and tolerated by society.

Women are treated far more leniently by the courts than men, car insurance for young male drivers is typically higher than young ladies , in cases of access to children during divorce proceedings women are generally favoured by the courts and up until very recently women received their pension years before men despite men actually dying younger. These are all examples of things that society does , or did , openly accept that it's fair to give preferential treatment to women over men.

edit - And as Bingo says above violence (at least to a certain lower level extent) by women towards men is somewhat accepted. We have probably all seen instances of drunken ladies on nights out being aggressive and lashing out at men and most of the time it's brushed off. If the opposite was to happen it would likely lead to severe punishment ,either by other nearby males who take exception , or the police.

[bingo70]

What a ridiculous statement. In fact it goes beyond ridiculous.

If you actually believe that you really need to open your eyes to the world.

Day to day sexism I do yes, it’s just socially acceptable to be sexist against men.

I pride myself on being a very hands on dad yet every day on social media I see pictures, jokes and videos mocking dads not being able to look after kids as well as mums or can’t multi task the same as women. All light hearted jokes of course but if it was roles reversed there would be outrage.

If a husband and wife split up and they have a child, the Mum would automatically be assumed the Better parent to look after the child. I know the law may have change recently to give dads better rights but until it gets to that stage the sexist perception is that mums are the default parentbthe child should stay with.

Women only driving schools.

Women only insurance policies.

There’s also sexist assumptions that most men should have a basic understanding of DIY, cars and i suppose sport.

Men more likely to be victims of assault, men more likely to be sent to wars, men more likely to fail at school, men more likely to end up in jail.

I know this thread has gone way off topic but i do think guys get a pretty raw deal in this argument.

[green day]

I don't think it's that a ridiculous thing to say. There are certain things which are openly sexist against men and tolerated by society.

Women are treated far more leniently by the courts than men Are they, give me an example? , car insurance for young male drivers is typically higher than young ladies I think you need to read up on EU law mate, thats not legal and hasnt been since 2011. , in cases of access to children during divorce proceedings women are generally favoured by the courtsand up until very recently women received their pension years before men despite men actually dying younger Men do die younger, but have a google on history of state pension - are you aware that women got a smaller pension because in many ways the assumption was the husband would "take care of them"? My mum has a reduced state pension for example and had to pay extra to make up for the years she looked after us as kids?. These are all examples of things that society does , or did , openly accept that it's fair to give preferential treatment to women over men.

edit - And as Bingo says above violence (at least to a certain lower level extent) by women towards men is somewhat accepted. We have probably all seen instances of drunken ladies on nights out being aggressive and lashing out at men and most of the time it's brushed off. If the opposite was to happen it would likely lead to severe punishment ,either by other nearby males who take exception , or the police. Have a google on how many women are killed by men each year, and the same figures the other way round. I am sure there are a lot of aggressive women, but nothing like the numbers of guys that kick the **** out of women regularly

Tried to answer your post without laughing too much

[Mibbes Aye]

Day to day sexism I do yes, it’s just socially acceptable to be sexist against men.

I pride myself on being a very hands on dad yet every day on social media I see pictures, jokes and videos mocking dads not being able to look after kids as well as mums or can’t multi task the same as women. All light hearted jokes of course but if it was roles reversed there would be outrage.

If a husband and wife split up and they have a child, the Mum would automatically be assumed the Better parent to look after the child. I know the law may have change recently to give dads better rights but until it gets to that stage the sexist perception is that mums are the default parentbthe child should stay with.

Women only driving schools.

Women only insurance policies.

There’s also sexist assumptions that most men should have a basic understanding of DIY, cars and i suppose sport.

Men more likely to be victims of assault, men more likely to be sent to wars, men more likely to fail at school, men more likely to end up in jail.

I know this thread has gone way off topic but i do think guys get a pretty raw deal in this argument.

There's a lot in there that is a bit muddled. I'm not sure how men being more likely to be victims of assault or fail at school is the result of sexism?

You and someone else made points about car insurance. The EU barred gender-specific insurance policies several years ago. What that doesn't do and shouldn't do is stop insurers calculating premiums based on risk, and the statistics show young men are far riskier bets and therefore their insurance is higher.

The whole point about '-isms' isn't that they can only be perpetrated by one group and not another, it's that we have words for them because they reflect much deeper, well-entrenched structural and societal problems that disadvantage one group again and again on multiple levels.

If you look at the legislation we have in this country relating to sexual discrimination (Equal Pay act 1970, Sexual Discrimination Act 1975, Equalities Act 2010) they serve both men and women, but the driver for them wasn't really the unfair treatment of men, was it?

You've also both made a couple of spurious points about how women are tolerated for being drunkenly violent more than men. That sounds a bit made-up to be honest, but if you have real evidence then feel free to post.

In a world where research shows the majority of gender-based violence, including rape, goes massively under-reported because the victims don't feel they will get justice, it seems a bit lame to be saying you are stereotyped as having some knowledge of DIY or cars and even that I find doesn't really happen these days.

[Since90+2]

Tried to answer your post without laughing too much

1. As an example the case of the female law student who stabbed her boyfriend with a bread knife after a cocaine and alcohol frenzy was not given a custodial sentance. Would the courts have been as leniant if it was the other way around? I personally do not believe so and think it would have resulted in a substantial custodial sentence.

2. EU passed legislation in 2011 however male drivers are still being charged more. See here https://www.telegraph.co.uk/insurance/car/men-still-paying-women-car-insurance-five-years-eu-ruling/

3. Fair enough on the pension. I'll let others with a better understanding of pensions come back on that one.

4. You've completely missed out on the point. Im not talking about murders or serious assault.

[bingo70]

There's a lot in there that is a bit muddled. I'm not sure how men being more likely to be victims of assault or fail at school is the result of sexism?

You and someone else made points about car insurance. The EU barred gender-specific insurance policies several years ago. What that doesn't do and shouldn't do is stop insurers calculating premiums based on risk, and the statistics show young men are far riskier bets and therefore their insurance is higher.

The whole point about '-isms' isn't that they can only be perpetrated by one group and not another, it's that we have words for them because they reflect much deeper, well-entrenched structural and societal problems that disadvantage one group again and again on multiple levels.

If you look at the legislation we have in this country relating to sexual discrimination (Equal Pay act 1970, Sexual Discrimination Act 1975, Equalities Act 2010) they serve both men and women, but the driver for them wasn't really the unfair treatment of men, was it?

You've also both made a couple of spurious points about how women are tolerated for being drunkenly violent more than men. That sounds a bit made-up to be honest, but if you have real evidence then feel free to post.

In a world where research shows the majority of gender-based violence, including rape, goes massively under-reported because the victims don't feel they will get justice, it seems a bit lame to be saying you are stereotyped as having some knowledge of DIY or cars and even that I find doesn't really happen these days.

See you’re going way deeper than I want to, or even am capable of.

It’s more of a general point that it’s socially acceptable for sexist perceptions of men where as any throw away sexist comments against women are pounded upon as being completely unacceptable. I’ve gone on a bit of a waffle to try and explain that to be fair and I’ve onbiously not done a very good job.

To take it back to the op I suppose my point is that if there was a sexist joke against a man like that the expectation would be just for him to laugh it of and that’s the right thing to do imo. There wasn’t any malice intended in the comment, it’s no big deal. If nobody mentioned the comment we’d be talking about her as a footballer.

[green day]

1. As an example the case of the female law student who stabbed her boyfriend with a bread knife after a cocaine and alcohol frenzy was not given a custodial sentance. Would the courts have been as leniant if it was the other way around? I personally do not believe so and think it would have resulted in a substantial custodial sentence.

2. EU passed legislation in 2011 however male drivers are still being charged more. See here https://www.telegraph.co.uk/insurance/car/men-still-paying-women-car-insurance-five-years-eu-ruling/

3. Fair enough on the pension. I'll let others with a better understanding of pensions come back on that one.

4. You've completely missed out on the point. Im not talking about murders or serious assault.

1. Are you actually telling me that there are no examples of men "getting off with" stabbing or battering women?
2. Aye, as the lad above points out - risk based premiums are still allowed. If you put Jill and James, twins living at the same address and with the same job, same driving history and same occupation in the search engine, what do you think happens?
3. I dont need someone with "a better understanding" to answer, I do understand it - you just made up a story to back up your position.
4. Right, so your not talking murders or serious assault - cool, what is it? Just a wee slap on a night out? Either way, men do more of that than women so your point is still mince.

Right, I am off to put the dishwasher on so my missus doesnt give me a kicking when she gets back from the pub

[matty_f]

Bingo, I'm genuinely perplexed that you can think that there's more sexism towards men than women, it's an incredible point of view.

Mibbes Aye has done a good job of lifting the lid on just some of the flaws in that point of view, but he's only really scratched the surface.

From pre-school age life has historically been harsher on females than males, from the roles in life, the classes they were encouraged to take, the university availability, equal pay, high powered jobs, etc etc and that's before you look at everyday treatment of women (from jokes about women drivers, to comments about doing the dishes or starting in the kitchen).

If men stopped being sexists to women right now, it's take centuries before things were even close to being more sexists towards men.

[Since90+2]

1. Are you actually telling me that there are no examples of men "getting off with" stabbing or battering women?
2. Aye, as the lad above points out - risk based premiums are still allowed. If you put Jill and James, twins living at the same address and with the same job, same driving history and same occupation in the search engine, what do you think happens?
3. I dont need someone with "a better understanding" to answer, I do understand it - you just made up a story to back up your position.
4. Right, so your not talking murders or serious assault - cool, what is it? Just a wee slap on a night out? Either way, men do more of that than women so your point is still mince.

Right, I am off to put the dishwasher on so my missus doesnt give me a kicking when she gets back from the pub

1. If you don't believe that women are generally treated more lentiantly that men by the criminal courts then fair enough. I believe that they are.
2. That's not what's happening though. Insurance companies are still discriminating against individual male applicants because in general males are more likely to be involved in accidents. That is discrimination on the basis of gender , which should not happen.
3. Not at all. I'm only in my early 30s and believed it was the case regards pensions. If it's not then I'm happy to accept that , it's easy to have a reasoned debate without reducing it to insults :wink:
4. Again it was you who brought up serious assaults and murders not me. We are talking about two different things.
5. I notice that you never commented on courts in divorce proceedings by default favouring mothers over fathers. You maybe just missed it , or possible ignored it as it didn't back up your position :wink:
6. I've heard Bosch make cracking Dishwashers.

[green day]

I've heard Bosch make cracking Dishwashers.

That's what we've got.

First thing you and I have agreed on tonight.........

[Edinburgh Green]

Completely agree Speedway. There’s a guy I’ve seen interviewed on channel 4 news and again with some feminist on Facebook recently that absolutely nails the sexism argument, wish i could remember his name as I’d love to find more of his videos, anyway guys are victims of sexism every bit, in fact more than women imo. It’s just socially acceptable to be sexist against men.

Anyway, as for the point of this thread, I’m sorry if this makes me lesser of a person than the majority but the guy asked if she could do a dance, so what. just fake laugh it off, think he’s an erse and move on. It really isn’t a big deal.

Think the guy ur thinking about is Jordan Peterson, he’s a clinical physiologist from the university of Toronto.

[Tyler Durden]

OK then, next question is do you think it appropriate that young kids were encouraged/allowed to twerk by their parents at a Christmas party a few years ago as was fashionable to do so because of the exposure Miley Cyrus got whilst twerking to Robin Thickes Blurred Lines.

Personally, if folk think twerking is overtly sexual then it's no surprise that radio stations are banning "Baby it's cold outside" from their playlist because it's clearly advocating date rape :rolleyes:

Are radio stations actually banning “Baby it’s cold outside”?

There is an interesting post here https://twitter.com/adamheine/status/935684652068569088?s=21 which explains the context of the lyrics of that song and how it’s often misunderstood. I found it interesting anyway!

[bingo70]

Bingo, I'm genuinely perplexed that you can think that there's more sexism towards men than women, it's an incredible point of view.

Mibbes Aye has done a good job of lifting the lid on just some of the flaws in that point of view, but he's only really scratched the surface.

From pre-school age life has historically been harsher on females than males, from the roles in life, the classes they were encouraged to take, the university availability, equal pay, high powered jobs, etc etc and that's before you look at everyday treatment of women (from jokes about women drivers, to comments about doing the dishes or starting in the kitchen).

If men stopped being sexists to women right now, it's take centuries before things were even close to being more sexists towards men.

Life has been historically tougher on women than men? Not sure id agree with that. It was historically men that got sent down the mines and it was the majority was men that was sent to fight in the world wars (not for a second am I saying women didn’t contribute, I know they did).

In terms of classes kids were encouraged to take, does the same not happen with guys? I bet there were lots of guys that wanted to do things like home economics for example that was probably more perceived to be for girls.

In terms of the gender pay gap etc I found the interview I was talking about earlier, the guy seems a bit of a prick to be honest but I think a lot of what he says makes sense, even if the interviewer doesn’t want to listen to him.

https://youtu.be/aMcjxSThD54

With regards to jokes about female drivers, women belonging in the kitchen etc I’d say If I was to look on my social media pages just now I’m far more likely to see jokes about dads not being able to cope with looking after children than I am seeing these jokes that you’ve mentioned. In a nutshell I suppose that’s my whole point, I could have probably saved a lot of time and waffling by just saying that.

[speedy_gonzales]

Right, I am off to put the dishwasher on so my missus doesnt give me a kicking when she gets back from the pub




6. I've heard Bosch make cracking Dishwashers.

At the risk of making a joke in poor taste,,,, quite literally Bish Bash Bosch!

[speedy_gonzales]

Are radio stations actually banning “Baby it’s cold outside”?

There is an interesting post here https://twitter.com/adamheine/status/935684652068569088?s=21 which explains the context of the lyrics of that song and how it’s often misunderstood. I found it interesting anyway!
I read there was at least one station in the US that had, but it has started a conversation and I'll admit that I'm surprised that the conversation has actually gained traction.
Like many other things out there, a significant percentage of those offended are also ignorant and bereft of the facts.

[Big_Franck]

Think the guy ur thinking about is Jordan Peterson, he’s a clinical physiologist from the university of Toronto.

It's maybe the Jordan Peterson interview with Cathy Newman that he was referring to, it's on Youtube. I've seen quite a lot of Jordan's interviews recently as he's been on the Joe Rogan podcast a couple of times. I agree with a lot of what he says, and disagree completely with some of his other views. Definitely an interesting man though.

FWIW I totally agree with Bingo when he says it's socially acceptable in our country to be sexist against men. It's so blatantly true it's not even debatable IMO.

[bingo70]

Think the guy ur thinking about is Jordan Peterson, he’s a clinical physiologist from the university of Toronto.

Correct. I’d never heard of him until a few days ago but seen a couple of interviews that I thought were spot on.

Is this where I get hounded off hibs.net for listening to the physiologists version of Tommy Robinson? 😜

[green day]

Think the guy ur thinking about is Jordan Peterson, he’s a clinical physiologist from the university of Toronto.

This is the guy who, iirc, said last week that Hitler was brave in WW 1, and that the Holocaust was the logical extension of his intellectual strategy.

Yep, he's a guy worth listening to, right enough.....🙄

[Forza Fred]

In any presentation for best player in the world, to me as an old fart....whether it is to a male or female having a DJ involved in the presentation and asking about ‘twerping’ simply demeans the presentation.

Whoever signed off on that format needs a kick in the nether regions.

[Edinburgh Green]

This is the guy who, iirc, said last week that Hitler was brave in WW 1, and that the Holocaust was the logical extension of his intellectual strategy.

Yep, he's a guy worth listening to, right enough.....🙄

Ah so you read Matt Greenes article in the independent? It’s really not what he said at all.

[IGRIGI]

Correct. I’d never heard of him until a few days ago but seen a couple of interviews that I thought were spot on.

Is this where I get hounded off hibs.net for listening to the physiologists version of Tommy Robinson? 😜

Careful now, anything to the right of Che is considered Nazism here.

[green day]

Ah so you read Matt Greenes article in the independent? It’s really not what he said at all.

No, I watched his interview in full👍

[Smartie]

Without wanting to delve deep into the debate, I thought the young lady handled the situation with a quiet dignity that was admirable.

I feel a bit sorry for her for being somehow involved in all this fuss, when all she did to deserve it was play excellent football all year.

[Swedish hibee]

A ban for actors or djs presenting football awards of any kind please. I'm still not over the Idris Elba car crash- now this🙈

[One Day Soon]

Careful now, anything to the right of Che is considered Nazism here.

Another beyond ridiculous post.

[LustForLeith]

What a dinosaur. He could have at least asked if she could floss.

[Sir David Gray]

Life has been historically tougher on women than men? Not sure id agree with that. It was historically men that got sent down the mines and it was the majority was men that was sent to fight in the world wars (not for a second am I saying women didn’t contribute, I know they did).

In terms of classes kids were encouraged to take, does the same not happen with guys? I bet there were lots of guys that wanted to do things like home economics for example that was probably more perceived to be for girls.

In terms of the gender pay gap etc I found the interview I was talking about earlier, the guy seems a bit of a prick to be honest but I think a lot of what he says makes sense, even if the interviewer doesn’t want to listen to him.

https://youtu.be/aMcjxSThD54

With regards to jokes about female drivers, women belonging in the kitchen etc I’d say If I was to look on my social media pages just now I’m far more likely to see jokes about dads not being able to cope with looking after children than I am seeing these jokes that you’ve mentioned. In a nutshell I suppose that’s my whole point, I could have probably saved a lot of time and waffling by just saying that.

I'm going to stick up for you here as I have read your posts and I think I understand the point you are trying to make.

Whilst the more serious aspect of sexual assaults, sexual exploitation, rape etc is undoubtedly committed far more by men against females than the other way around, I think what you are talking about is that the more casual forms of everyday sexism is more tolerated if it's done by a female against a male than the other way around.

Examples;

A bunch of women post on Facebook about a naked butler show that they are going to see - that would be deemed to be a laugh.

A bunch of men post similar content about going to see a show involving female nudity - they would be seen as being a bit sleazy.

In my work, I heard numerous women (some of whom were managers) make very inappropriate comments about an attractive guy who had come in for an interview. Again it was all seen to be a bit of a laugh and a giggle.

I can only imagine the uproar that would have been caused if a few males (including managers) had made similar comments about an attractive female.

I don't think these examples are even remotely comparable to the far more serious abuse cases which I mentioned at the start of my post but I think it's worth pointing out that casual sexism is in my mind much more accepted against men than it is against women.

[Brizo]

This twerking malarkey is definitely a lot more suggestive than the slosh.

This Solveig seems more like a character from the Smash and Nicey era of DJng than the post acid house era of DJng.

I thought that Ada Hederberg handled the whole situation extremely well.

[Northernhibee]

Careful now, anything to the right of Che is considered Nazism here.

You’re not going to be one of these guys who equate “anything I disagree with” as “the left”, are you?

[calumhibee1]

1. Are you actually telling me that there are no examples of men "getting off with" stabbing or battering women?
2. Aye, as the lad above points out - risk based premiums are still allowed. If you put Jill and James, twins living at the same address and with the same job, same driving history and same occupation in the search engine, what do you think happens?
3. I dont need someone with "a better understanding" to answer, I do understand it - you just made up a story to back up your position.
4. Right, so your not talking murders or serious assault - cool, what is it? Just a wee slap on a night out? Either way, men do more of that than women so your point is still mince.

Right, I am off to put the dishwasher on so my missus doesnt give me a kicking when she gets back from the pub

With regards to number 4, get yourself up the town at the weekend and you'll maybe change your mind on that one :greengrin I think I've probably seen a total of about 4 or 5 fights between guys on a night out since I started going out 10+ years ago. I wouldn't even want to begin to count the amount of times I've seen hysterical women trying to have a slap/punch/throw a drink at a guy. :agree:

[Pretty Boy]

I think there needs to be a differentiation between what is lazy stereotyping, what is sexism and what is neither. An advert for a product aimed at women that portrays a feckless husband and a strong women saving the day in a domestic setting is stereotyping; it's arguably comparable to the idea a spray of Lynx makes men irresistible to women. I suppose you could even flip it and say the fact advertisers aim adverts for household and cleaning products directly at women or portray men as unthinking beasts who only care about personal hygiene as part of a ploy to attract women verges on sexism. Young men, in general, paying more for their car insurance is neither sexism nor stereotyping. It's based on statistical evidence that men of a certain age are more likely to be involved in an incident than women of the same age. If there is evidence an individual women is habitually a more dangerous driver than a male counterpart then she will pay more. I'd argue the twerk comment falls into a bit of a grey area. On one hand you have to ask whether the DJ would have made a similar comment to a man yet you could also argue whilst the comment was crass and moronic it was a result of idiocy rather than malice.

With regards the #metoo movement I think it's both a great thing and a necessity. Arguably the most powerful man in the world was still deemed electable despite suggesting it was ok for a man in a position of power to 'grab a woman by the pussy'. That alone suggests there are attitudes that still need challenged. There was a rape trial recently in Ireland during which the defence lawyer produced the pants the alleged victim had been wearing on the night of the incident. They asked the jury if they looked like the pants of someone just out for a few quiet drinks with friends. Think about that for a second; the implication was because she wore underwear with a lacy front she was either 'asking for it', out looking for sex or that choice of underwear somehow implied consent. That's frightening. Too often the argument against the movement is 'it was only....' as though personal boundaries of acceptability don't matter. No woman should have to go out and be subjected to groping, touching, a proprietorial arm around the waist or whatever else if they don't feel comfortable with it or don't find it an acceptable level of contact. It's for the recipient of the touch to decide what's acceptable, not the instigator of contact or other people not involved in the situation. A woman also has the right to withdraw her consent of any touching at any point. Thinking back I probably overstepped a few boundaries when I was younger; I used to feel that I'd hate to be young again because it's all a bit of a minefield these days, now I think it's more a case of I wouldn't get away with what was potentially unacceptable behaviour. I fully support women who are standing up and saying that they won't be pawed at because it's 'just a laugh' or 'just harmless flirting'; they are quite right to say '**** off and leave us alone'. If men really feel the same about inappropriate contact from women then maybe rather than decry the women standing up they should stand up themselves and do something similar.

[Hibrandenburg]

I'd suggest if folk DON'T think twerking is overtly sexual they need to modify what they're typing into Google - cos the videos that my search comes up with most definitely are!!! 😀

It's all relative. If your internet browser's history is 70% pornhub links then the chances are that you won't find twerking sexually explicit, there's also a high probability that you view women as simple sex objects and you're a bit of a dick.

[Jay]

Is it okay to look at old women as sex objects, then?

Asking for a friend.

I know its said a bit tongue in cheek but who would believe an older woman? Especially when theres young girls around? The 'aye right' looks and 'in yer dreams' attitude would almost make the harassment easier than reporting it or dealing with the repercussions of reporting it.

As for twerking it is a sexualised dance and theres no way id have let my kids or kids i looked after do it.

[Hibernian Verse]

Why has this been moved?

"hibs.net Main Forum(1285 Viewing)
The messageboard for all Hibs fans to chat about Hibs and football in general."

[CropleyWasGod]

I know its said a bit tongue in cheek but who would believe an older woman? Especially when theres young girls around? The 'aye right' looks and 'in yer dreams' attitude would almost make the harassment easier than reporting it or dealing with the repercussions of reporting it.

As for twerking it is a sexulised dance and theres no way id have let my kids or kids i looked after do it.

It was said tongue in cheek, but with a serious undertone.

There's an assumption out there that only young women are subject to being seen as sex objects, when that's just not true. The MILF culture bears that out, as well as the sinister attitude amongst some men of "she's old, she'll be grateful for the attention".

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[Jay]

Why has this been moved?

"hibs.net Main Forum(1285 Viewing)
The messageboard for all Hibs fans to chat about Hibs and football in general."

I moved it. I thought twerking and sexual harassment were more suited to the Holy ground than the main forum as the discussion had moved away from football.

[Hibernian Verse]

I moved it. I thought twerking and sexual harassment was more suited to the Holy ground than the main forum as the discussion had moved away from football.Fair enough!

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[Hibbyradge]

I think a few usernames on here are actually the same troll.

[Hibbyradge]

Are there lots of instances of women anonymously sending unsolicited vagina pictures to men?

[nonshinyfinish]

Are there lots of instances of women anonymously sending unsolicited vagina pictures to men?

Check your PMs.

[speedy_gonzales]

It's all relative. If your internet browser's history is 70% pornhub links then the chances are that you won't find twerking sexually explicit, there's also a high probability that you view women as simple sex objects and you're a bit of a dick.

I do hope this wasn't aimed at me because I don't find the dancing overtly sexual?
It's just my opinion, and having witnessed first hand groups of girls twerking and me not immediately thinking "damn, I want a piece of that action" doesn't make me a misogynistic dick,,,,, surely?

[Jay]

I think a few usernames on here are actually the same troll.

Feel free to report your findings to the admin team

[Jay]

It was said tongue in cheek, but with a serious undertone.

There's an assumption out there that only young women are subject to being seen as sex objects, when that's just not true. The MILF culture bears that out, as well as the sinister attitude amongst some men of "she's old, she'll be grateful for the attention".

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I agree. Im not actually a huge fan of the me too movement , in theory its a great thing but i dont want men demonized which I think theres a real danger of. However sexual harassment is still rife in all walks of life and needs addressed. Its a very tough thing to speak out about when its happening though.

On the back of that I was watching a tv prog today and the female presenter said to a couple of guys who had been on love island to feel free to take their tops off during the segment. If a male presenter had said to a female guest to feel free to hitch her skirt up a bit hed have been sacked.

[beensaidbefore]

I agree. Im not actually a huge fan of the me too movement , in theory its a great thing but i dont want men demonized which I think theres a real danger of. However sexual harassment is still rife in all walks of life and needs addressed. Its a very tough thing to speak out about when its happening though.

On the back of that I was watching a tv prog today and the female presenter said to a couple of guys who had been on love island to feel free to take their tops off during the segment. If a male presenter had said to a female guest to feel free to hitch her skirt up a bit hed have been sacked.


You have provided a great example there. The other which was highlighted recently was upkilting vs upskirting. Some of the comments were along the lines of 'if you wear nothing under your kilt then tough luck, it's attention seeking anyway' which although nothing like the lady having her pants waived around in court, hints at the difference in attitudes towards men and women, and what can be said/done as a 'joke'.

Personally I have no problem with being sexually harassed by women, but I can't speak for the rest of the population.

[Since90+2]

I agree. Im not actually a huge fan of the me too movement , in theory its a great thing but i dont want men demonized which I think theres a real danger of. However sexual harassment is still rife in all walks of life and needs addressed. Its a very tough thing to speak out about when its happening though.

On the back of that I was watching a tv prog today and the female presenter said to a couple of guys who had been on love island to feel free to take their tops off during the segment. If a male presenter had said to a female guest to feel free to hitch her skirt up a bit hed have been sacked.

Your second paragraph sums up what some people are trying to say. Good post.

[calumhibee1]

Are there lots of instances of women anonymously sending unsolicited vagina pictures to men?

My boss sent me a picture of her absolutely starkers. I didn’t ask for it, presumed it was a mistake until she gave me a look. She’s always been flirty with me but I always just took it as a bit of a joke. She then sent me a pic of her arse a few days later. At that point I had to tell her I had no interest in her and reminder her that she was married.

It does happen the other way round aswell and I have a couple of friends who have been in similar situations. Sending unsolicited pics is not exclusive to men. The fact that these type of pics when being discussed are usually referred to as “dick pics” probably creates the impression that it’s a male only thing when it’s not.

[Hibbyradge]

My boss sent me a picture of her absolutely starkers. I didn’t ask for it, presumed it was a mistake until she gave me a look. She’s always been flirty with me but I always just took it as a bit of a joke. She then sent me a pic of her arse a few days later. At that point I had to tell her I had no interest in her and reminder her that she was married.

It does happen the other way round aswell and I have a couple of friends who have been in similar situations. Sending unsolicited pics is not exclusive to men. The fact that these type of pics when being discussed are usually referred to as “dick pics” probably creates the impression that it’s a male only thing when it’s not.

That's incredible.

I've never met anyone who's been sent an unsolicited picture from a woman, but you and 2 of your mates have had them.

What a remarkable coincidence.

However, the picture you say you received wasn't anonymous which dick pics always are.

They're called dick pics because they're pictures of dicks. The government isn't discussing a change in the law because of women sending pictures of their genitals. If that happens at all, it's extremely rare.

[calumhibee1]

That's incredible.

I've never met anyone who's been sent an unsolicited picture from a woman, but you and 2 of your mates have had them.

What a remarkable coincidence.

However, the picture you say you received wasn't anonymous which dick pics always are.

They're called dick pics because they're pictures of dicks. The government isn't discussing a change in the law because of women sending pictures of their genitals. If that happens at all, it's extremely rare.

Why on earth would I make that up? I’ve no idea what age you are but if your of the generation that grew up with mobile phones and especially snapchat you would know it’s not as rare as you’d think. More rare than guys sending pics of their dicks? Absolutely. But the fact you seem to be suggesting that it possibly doesn’t happen at all is definitely not true.

And since when were dick pics/unsolicited pics always anonymous? An unsolicited picture is an unsolicited picture, anonymous or not. If I go and send a picture of my dick to someone I know what does that get called?

Obviously I know a dick pic is a pic of a dick but my point was more that “dick pics” get discussed rather than “unsolicited pics”. Therefore it’s really only the male version that gets discussed when if it was “unsolicited pics” were discussed then it would become more apparent woman are culpable - probably to a lesser extent - aswell.

[Since90+2]

That's incredible.

I've never met anyone who's been sent an unsolicited picture from a woman, but you and 2 of your mates have had them.

What a remarkable coincidence.

However, the picture you say you received wasn't anonymous which dick pics always are.

They're called dick pics because they're pictures of dicks. The government isn't discussing a change in the law because of women sending pictures of their genitals. If that happens at all, it's extremely rare.

Two of my mates have been sent similar pictures. Not from an unknown person right enough but from people they have worked with and weren't involved with romantically at the time. It's obviously not as uncommon as you believe. I'm not sure how old you are but if you are of a certain vintage you maybe don't realise it does go on.

I would imagine it's more common for such pictures to be sent by men rather than women but it undoubtedly does happen.

[hibsbollah]

My boss sent me a picture of her absolutely starkers. I didn’t ask for it, presumed it was a mistake until she gave me a look. She’s always been flirty with me but I always just took it as a bit of a joke. She then sent me a pic of her arse a few days later. At that point I had to tell her I had no interest in her and reminder her that she was married.

It does happen the other way round aswell and I have a couple of friends who have been in similar situations. Sending unsolicited pics is not exclusive to men. The fact that these type of pics when being discussed are usually referred to as “dick pics” probably creates the impression that it’s a male only thing when it’s not.

I'm sure your female boss found you irresistible, maybe you and your friends have a sort of magnetism that leaves female clerical middle management weak at the knees.

It's one of those anecdotes that doesn't really help understand the topic at hand though.

[Hibbyradge]

Why on earth would I make that up? I’ve no idea what age you are but if your of the generation that grew up with mobile phones it’s not as rare as you’d think. More rare than guys sending pics of their dicks? Absolutely. But the fact you seem to be suggesting that it possibly doesn’t happen at all is definitely not true.

And since when were dick pics/unsolicited pics always anonymous? An unsolicited picture is an unsolicited picture, anonymous or not. If I go and send a picture of my dick to someone I know what does that get called?

Ok, I agree, anonymity isn't necessary. However if you send a dick pic to someone who knows who you are, you open yourself up to ridicule and embarrassment.

Also the frequency of women sending unsolicited pictures of themselves is miniscule compared to the incidence of men doing it. I've never read or heard anyone complaining about it being a problem apart from you and your 2 mates.

There are plenty articles about men doing it though.

[calumhibee1]

Ok, I agree, anonymity isn't necessary. However if you send a dick pic to someone who knows who you are, you open yourself up to ridicule and embarrassment.

Also the frequency of women sending unsolicited pictures of themselves is miniscule compared to the incidence of men doing it. I've never read or heard anyone complaining about it being a problem apart from you and your 2 mates.

There are plenty articles about men doing it though.

Well the poster below my previous post is another example of it happening. Like I said, I’m not for a second suggesting it’s more frequent than males doing it. But for the generation that has used mobile phones their whole life and have apps like snapchat where you can send what you like safe in the knowledge that between one and ten seconds after receiving it it’ll be gone forever it’s not as unheard of as you’ve suggested. You’d also be surprised how many times women will send pics of them and their mates (I’m presuming sent en-masse to their contacts) getting ready for a night out (this would be mainly on snapchat) while one of them is standing with there arse or tits out doing their hair or whatever. Slightly different from a convential unsolicited picture as it’s not of the person sending it who is naked but still an unsolicited picture of somebody naked/semi naked none the less.

Maybe men just don’t complain about it as much, much in the same way men don’t talk about mental health as much, go to the doctors as much or whatever other things men don’t do as often or openly as women. If I complained to my mates about being sent a picture of tits they’d look at me like I was strange.

[calumhibee1]

I'm sure your female boss found you irresistible, maybe you and your friends have a sort of magnetism that leaves female clerical middle management weak at the knees.

It's one of those anecdotes that doesn't really help understand the topic at hand though.

Maybe she did, maybe she didn’t, maybe we do, maybe we don’t, I’ve no idea what sort of relevance that has to the post though? It was inferred that no woman would ever have sent a picture like that which is blatantly incorrect.

[hibsbollah]

Maybe she did, maybe she didn’t, maybe we do, maybe we don’t, I’ve no idea what sort of relevance that has to the post though? It was inferred that no woman would ever have sent a picture like that which is blatantly incorrect.

I think the whole direction your anecdote took the thread in is irrelevant. Maybe not to you of course (I assume you didn't enjoy seeing an unwanted picture of her unsightly bingo wings or whatever it was), but for the woman to be the one in the position of power doing that is an anomaly. It's the exception. I'm sure you understand that.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

My boss sent me a picture of her absolutely starkers. I didn’t ask for it, presumed it was a mistake until she gave me a look. She’s always been flirty with me but I always just took it as a bit of a joke. She then sent me a pic of her arse a few days later. At that point I had to tell her I had no interest in her and reminder her that she was married.

It does happen the other way round aswell and I have a couple of friends who have been in similar situations. Sending unsolicited pics is not exclusive to men. The fact that these type of pics when being discussed are usually referred to as “dick pics” probably creates the impression that it’s a male only thing when it’s not.

Evidence? 😊

[calumhibee1]

I think the whole direction your anecdote took the thread in is irrelevant. Maybe not to you of course (I assume you didn't enjoy seeing an unwanted picture of her unsightly bingo wings or whatever it was), but for the woman to be the one in the position of power doing that is an anomaly. It's the exception. I'm sure you understand that.

I mentioned it because the suggestion seemed to be that it just doesn’t happen. That’s the only reason I really brought it up. I’m not debating that guys will do it more than women. It will most likely be a generational thing. I’ve no idea what age other posters are but I’d suggest folk of a younger age will have had or are likely to have more experience of it.

[calumhibee1]

Evidence? 😊

:greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

I mentioned it because the suggestion seemed to be that it just doesn’t happen. That’s the only reason I really brought it up. I’m not debating that guys will do it more than women. It will most likely be a generational thing. I’ve no idea what age other posters are but I’d suggest folk of a younger age will have had or are likely to have more experience of it.

One poster was arguing that men suffered from sexism as much, if not more than men.

I made the point about dick pics in response to that. There was no suggestion that women never sent lurid pictures, just that it's nowhere near as frequent.

I'd also say that if women do send nude pictures of themselves, it's not with the intention of intimidating or harassing their victims which is definitely the case with some men. Note, I said some.

[calumhibee1]

One poster was arguing that men suffered from sexism as much, if not more than men.

I made the point about dick pics in response to that. There was no suggestion that women never sent lurid pictures, just that it's nowhere near as frequent.

I'd also say that if women do send nude pictures of themselves, it's not with the intention of intimidating or harassing their victims which is definitely the case with some men. Note, I said some.

In that case I’ve misinterpreted the post :aok: