Would you support the return of Capital Punishment?

[Hibbyradge]

Yes or No.

Don't bother with comments, just have your vote.

Edit: You need to be on the full site to vote.

[lapsedhibee]

For manspreading, no.
Compulsive button-pressing, yes.

[Hibernia&Alba]

​No

[Pete]

I can’t vote

But no anyway.

[Colr]

Can’t vote but no.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

No

[calumhibee1]

No

[Fife-Hibee]

Is this a new poll in preparation of our 17th century brexit utopia? :wink:

[norhfc]

was belted at school in late 70s and got the odd slap at home too...thats a no from me.

[Future17]

was belted at school in late 70s and got the odd slap at home too...thats a no from me.

I think that's "corporal punishment" you're thinking of.

[staunchhibby]

Won't let me vote

[heretoday]

No.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

No

[norhfc]

I think that's "corporal punishment" you're thinking of.

ah I see, still a no from me.

[Hibbyradge]

You need to be on the full site to vote.

[Jay]

For manspreading, no.
Compulsive button-pressing, yes.

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[Pretty Boy]

No, not under any circumstances.

[beensaidbefore]

Yes

[Fife-Hibee]

Yes

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[beensaidbefore]

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2 examples I would have had no issue with d seeing the death penalty are, Fred West and Jimmy Saville. Happy to discuss the merits of each.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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2 examples I would have had no issue with d seeing the death penalty are, Fred West and Jimmy Saville. Happy to discuss the merits of each.

There are individual cases whom nobody would miss and whom many would like to see suffer, but that isn't how the system works. You can't pick and choose this or that person as ripe for execution; it's the crime which is punished. I don't buy the deterrent argument at all, and as retribution it serves no purpose. The biggest problem is miscarriages of justice. The moment an innocent person is executed, the system again becomes untenable.

[beensaidbefore]

There are individual cases whom nobody would miss and whom many would like to see suffer, but that isn't how the system works. You can't pick and choose this or that person as ripe for execution; it's the crime which is punished. I don't buy the deterrent argument at all, and as retribution it serves no purpose. The biggest problem is miscarriages of justice. The moment an innocent person is executed, the system again becomes untenable.

Apologies, I was playing to the gallery a little.

I do understand you point. I suppose I would like to be able to pick and choose.

[Smartie]

My partner has been on jury duty a few times, and she says that when you've done that you view our justice system a bit differently, especially bearing in mind the fact that ours is widely respected as being one of the best in the world.

Any miscarriage of justice is a travesty, but with capital punishment any miscarriage would be infinitely worse for everyone involved.

There are a number of truly sickening crimes and disgusting individuals that make us consider it (I was always most appalled by Ian Brady refusing to divulge where some of his victims were buried) but on balance we can't just pick and choose, even when convictions appear to be fairly safe.

[Just Jimmy]

No. I understand that a lot of 'capital' crimes are a lot more complicated than just 'hang him'.

Regardless of what you read in the media, taking someone's liberty away is a big deal. until you've done or been part of it, you can't really judge either.

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[Pretty Boy]

For me legitimising killing for the purpose punishment or, if you prefer, revenge is a slippery slope. It's a barbaric act and has no place in modern society.

That's not to say I don't find, as an example, someone who kills a child repulsive, it's not to say I think they would be a great loss to society and it's not to say I would mourn them.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Apologies, I was playing to the gallery a little.

I do understand you point. I suppose I would like to be able to pick and choose.

I recall on thread on here when Robert Black, the prolific paedophile and child murderer, had just died in prison. I said then that, although I could never support capital punishment, people like him - those on the very extremes of human behaviour - are no use to anyone. So I understand what you're saying. However, perhaps forensic psychologists and criminologists can learn something useful from interviewing such types, and I just don't see what purpose killing them serves. I don't think it serves as a deterrent, and the state shouldn't be using punishment as revenge, IMO.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

I recall on thread on here when Robert Black, the prolific paedophile and child murderer, had just died in prison. I said then that, although I could never support capital punishment, people like him - those on the very extremes of human behaviour - are no use to anyone. So I understand what you're saying. However, perhaps forensic psychologists and criminologists can learn something useful from interviewing such types, and I just don't see what purpose killing them serves. I don't think it serves as a deterrent, and the state shouldn't be using punishment as revenge, IMO.

My issue is miscarriages of justice. I have no great moral objection to killing these people, even just to save money, as im sure many others dont.

But, for example, how many innocent people would suffer - a post death pardon isnt much use. Our justice system is fallible, therefore we have to leave open the possibility that it is wrong and a decision might need to be revisited.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

I was on jury duty a few weeks ago and although it was for suspected burglary, when we got to the deliberation stage, one juror actually said that he had googled the suspect's name the night before and he is a ****bag. Let's get on with the guilty bit and let me get back to my roof tiling.

[calumhibee1]

I was on jury duty a few weeks ago and although it was for suspected burglary, when we got to the deliberation stage, one juror actually said that he had googled the suspect's name the night before and he is a ****bag. Let's get on with the guilty bit and let me get back to my roof tiling.

I done jury duty years ago. Scary seeing the sort of people that are given that kind of power. I had a rape case years ago and although the guy was guilty there was two older women who said after he was brought out at the start of the trial and no evidence given “he just looks guilty doesn’t he?”

[lapsedhibee]

I done jury duty years ago. Scary seeing the sort of people that are given that kind of power. I had a rape case years ago and although the guy was guilty there was two older women who said after he was brought out at the start of the trial and no evidence given “he just looks guilty doesn’t he?”

Have also suffered the 'looks guilty' chat in a jury room, but not (so far) any 'looks innocent' chat.

[bigwheel]

No

[Hibrandenburg]

No, not only because it would mean that innocent people will inevitably be executed but because who knows for what perceived crimes it would be used for in the future.

[Sir David Gray]

The only reason I can't support its return is that no-one can give any assurances that innocent people will never be executed. That is a position I find completely intolerable.

There are, however, many people that I would gladly see put to death.

[Greentinted]

One word: No

Two more words: Derek Bentley

[Just Alf]

The only reason I can't support its return is that no-one can give any assurances that innocent people will never be executed. That is a position I find completely intolerable.

There are, however, many people that I would gladly see put to death.Perfect post

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[Bristolhibby]

I was on jury duty a few weeks ago and although it was for suspected burglary, when we got to the deliberation stage, one juror actually said that he had googled the suspect's name the night before and he is a ****bag. Let's get on with the guilty bit and let me get back to my roof tiling.

I’m no expert, but who did you report that to to get him kicked off the jury?

It’s one thing to Google (which I’m sure you may we’ll put you in contempt) but to admit it to a group of strangers is crazy.

Just googled this myself

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2012/jan/23/juror-contempt-court-online-research

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[Steve-O]

I done jury duty years ago. Scary seeing the sort of people that are given that kind of power. I had a rape case years ago and although the guy was guilty there was two older women who said after he was brought out at the start of the trial and no evidence given “he just looks guilty doesn’t he?”

The story goes here that if you are truly not guilty, go for a judge-alone trial, but if you really did it, go for a jury trial as you just never know what result you’ll get.

It does trouble me that any old fool can get on a jury - how can we know they these jurors even understand all the evidence they’re being presented?!

[NAE NOOKIE]

No …. The idea is to foster a human condition where life is precious, if killing is the answer to killing how the hell does that work?

As for the deterrent angle … it wouldn't be the first time a US state has had to up the number of executions because room is getting short on death row, that's a pretty damning indictment of executions usefulness as a deterrent.

[One Day]

no

[heretoday]

Only for politicians and lawyers.

[Jamesie]

The story goes here that if you are truly not guilty, go for a judge-alone trial, but if you really did it, go for a jury trial as you just never know what result you’ll get.


No such choice available in Scotland - suspect the NZ system takes this from the English system with both Crown and County courts!