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DetroitHibs
12-11-2018, 01:44 PM
I don't think we can play both players at the same time. Maclaren offers very little apart from his goals and Mallan doesn't seem to offer much apart from his set pieces and shots. Neither work that hard for the team in terms of tracking back and digging in and I think playing with two players like that affects the balance. Teams like Killie and St Johnstone don't have the quality we have, but have 11 Trojans all working hard for each other.

PatHead
12-11-2018, 01:46 PM
However many threads do we need knocking our players?

MWHIBBIES
12-11-2018, 01:50 PM
Mallan works very hard and keeps the shape well. He isn't McGinn charging around into tackles but he certainly can be played with a 2 striker formation. Aberdeen in the cup he was winning tackles and tracking so it can happen.

I don't really want guys who run around alot like Liam Craig instead.

GreenLake
12-11-2018, 01:54 PM
Not getting this really. Mallan worked hard against Aberdeen and MacLaren might not be match fit yet. It was a difficult game for anyone to shine in and we played better than Aberdeen apart from missed chances. They scored from one long distance shot after an assist by the wind.

Lago
12-11-2018, 01:55 PM
I don't think we can play both players at the same time. Maclaren offers very little apart from his goals and Mallan doesn't seem to offer much apart from his set pieces and shots. Neither work that hard for the team in terms of tracking back and digging in and I think playing with two players like that affects the balance. Teams like Killie and St Johnstone don't have the quality we have, but have 11 Trojans all working hard for each other.
Rubbish :rolleyes:

superfurryhibby
12-11-2018, 01:55 PM
Can we add a thread slating Boyle too ? Add a bit of Efe bombscare, Daz is finished, Mallan only scores and takes sets pieces and Lennon is tactically inept and we have the perfect Hibs net storm.

Oh aye, forget to have a swipe at the fans for not backing HSL and whilst we’re at it, and some on here truly are, we can chuck in away tickets, seagulls, food, tannoy.

I wish we were Tom Kite and then we wouldn’t have to worry about being Tom Kite.

Shrekko
12-11-2018, 01:57 PM
‘Mallan is only use for taking free kicks’

The biggest lot of absolute tripe I’ve ever read... and I’ve read it plenty times on here and on social media recently.

Utter garbage.

Albanian Hibs
12-11-2018, 01:57 PM
However many threads do we need knocking our players?

Yip it's pathetic

Lago
12-11-2018, 01:59 PM
‘Mallan is only use for taking free kicks’

The biggest lot of absolute tripe I’ve ever read... and I’ve read it plenty times on here and on social media recently.

Utter garbage.

Totally agree!!

SlickShoes
12-11-2018, 01:59 PM
If we dont have a poacher type striker we get posts all the time saying we need one, when we do have one we get posts like this saying they are useless.

Mallan didn't play well against Aberdeen or St Johstone, he almost scored twice vs hearts in a game that a red card changed completely.

Players will always have off days, supporters should support them for the long haul, that's why football is judged over a whole season and not 1 or 2 games.

DetroitHibs
12-11-2018, 02:04 PM
I'm not saying either player are bad players, I just don't think the balance is right to play them in the same team.

DarlingtonHibee
12-11-2018, 02:08 PM
I don't think we can play both players at the same time. Maclaren offers very little apart from his goals and Mallan doesn't seem to offer much apart from his set pieces and shots. Neither work that hard for the team in terms of tracking back and digging in and I think playing with two players like that affects the balance. Teams like Killie and St Johnstone don't have the quality we have, but have 11 Trojans all working hard for each other.

You have obviously forgotten about last season.

I despair this. Net at times.

How about we back the team, instead of constantly criticism them.

Neil is the best thing that has happened to us in years.

CropleyWasGod
12-11-2018, 02:08 PM
On behalf of all Trojans, I would like to express my outrage at the ethnic stereotyping inherent in the OP.

Many of us sons of Troy are work-shy *******s.

Signed,

Hector the half-arsed.

JackHibs
12-11-2018, 02:10 PM
I think Mallan does a lot more than people think, keeps the ball well and switched the play well. I think he puts a shift in and gets stuck in sometimes but not as much as he could.

There is too much pressure on him to be our main creative player when In actual fact he isn't that type of player.

Keith_M
12-11-2018, 02:18 PM
I think Mallan's just had a couple of games where he hasn't played to his usual standard. IMO, he's a very hard worker and I enjoy watching him play.


As for MacLaren, I think players that can poach goals and do little else are perfectly acceptable...but only when they are actually scoring.

Hopefully he'll get up to speed again soon, and start scoring goals. Then he can hang around the opposition goal all day for me.

green with envy
12-11-2018, 02:28 PM
I don't think we can play both players at the same time. Maclaren offers very little apart from his goals and Mallan doesn't seem to offer much apart from his set pieces and shots. Neither work that hard for the team in terms of tracking back and digging in and I think playing with two players like that affects the balance. Teams like Killie and St Johnstone don't have the quality we have, but have 11 Trojans all working hard for each other.


Deary ****** me.

Smartie
12-11-2018, 02:29 PM
I think it's a fair point, and I was wondering the same.

It isn't necessarily criticising either player, but questioning whether or not the two can play in the same team, and given we haven't been as good as last season it is a reasonable question to ask.

Hyndman is more like Scott Allan, more likely to create chances for other players than Mallan does who is more creative from set pieces rather than open play.

Maybe Hyndman in behind Kamberi and McLaren would work better?

Or Mallan off Kamberi with Boyle and Agyepong/ Horgan out wide?

It's a question that is worth asking imo, as I am of the opinion that we have a lot of good individual players but don't quite yet look like a good team. The balance between midfield, forwards, wide players and defenders coming out of defence with the ball during the second half of last season was sublime at times, and we haven't looked anything like as threatening this season.

Winston Ingram
12-11-2018, 02:48 PM
There's already an 8 pager on MacLaren.

In summary, the discussion has reached a point where we seem to agree he's a great poacher but also he's not very much use outside the box. The debate is now focused on whether this merits a place in the team.

BILLYHIBS
12-11-2018, 02:50 PM
There's already an 8 pager on MacLaren.

In summary, the discussion has reached a point where we seem to agree he's a great poacher but also he's not very much use outside the box. The debate is now focused on whether this merits a place in the team.

FFS! No over here as well :brickwall

JimBHibees
12-11-2018, 02:55 PM
I don't think we can play both players at the same time. Maclaren offers very little apart from his goals and Mallan doesn't seem to offer much apart from his set pieces and shots. Neither work that hard for the team in terms of tracking back and digging in and I think playing with two players like that affects the balance. Teams like Killie and St Johnstone don't have the quality we have, but have 11 Trojans all working hard for each other.

Trolling big time. What part of Gorgie is Detroit in?

PatHead
12-11-2018, 02:55 PM
I'm not saying either player are bad players, I just don't think the balance is right to play them in the same team.

Aye right. Read your post below!

"Maclaren offers very little apart from his goals and Mallan doesn't seem to offer much apart from his set pieces and shots. Neither work that hard for the team in terms of tracking back and digging in, "

If that is not criticism, what is?

As I posted earlier, don't know why you needed another thread ripping our players.

JimBHibees
12-11-2018, 02:56 PM
Can we add a thread slating Boyle too ? Add a bit of Efe bombscare, Daz is finished, Mallan only scores and takes sets pieces and Lennon is tactically inept and we have the perfect Hibs net storm.

Oh aye, forget to have a swipe at the fans for not backing HSL and whilst we’re at it, and some on here truly are, we can chuck in away tickets, seagulls, food, tannoy.

I wish we were Tom Kite and then we wouldn’t have to worry about being Tom Kite.

Totally agree I have never been impressed by Bogdans hair. :greengrin

MWHIBBIES
12-11-2018, 03:22 PM
I think we should remember Mallan hasn't had a rest since signing. He's played every minute this season except when he was subbed Vs Motherwell and Livi and is away on all international breaks as well.

This after a year of hardly playing. Remarkable he hasn't been injured yet.

calumhibee1
12-11-2018, 03:35 PM
I think we should remember Mallan hasn't had a rest since signing. He's played every minute this season except when he was subbed Vs Motherwell and Livi and is away on all international breaks as well.

This after a year of hardly playing. Remarkable he hasn't been injured yet.

He went off at Tynie aswell I’m sure. Point still stands though he has played a lot of football.

MWHIBBIES
12-11-2018, 03:41 PM
He went off at Tynie aswell I’m sure. Point still stands though he has played a lot of football.Yeah, he was subbed at 92 minutes at Hearts. That'll recharge the batteries :greengrin

J-C
12-11-2018, 03:48 PM
Please for the love of God can the admins not stop all these replica threads all knocking our players, starting to feel like a Jambo website.

Brightside
12-11-2018, 03:50 PM
I don't think we can play both players at the same time. Maclaren offers very little apart from his goals and Mallan doesn't seem to offer much apart from his set pieces and shots. Neither work that hard for the team in terms of tracking back and digging in and I think playing with two players like that affects the balance. Teams like Killie and St Johnstone don't have the quality we have, but have 11 Trojans all working hard for each other.

One is a striker and on his playmaking midfielder. :confused:

Blaster
12-11-2018, 03:52 PM
One is a striker and on his playmaking midfielder. :confused:

My thoughts exactly. Mallan and Hyndman fair enough but don’t see why the two mentioned cannot play in the same team

offshorehibby
12-11-2018, 04:05 PM
Can we add a thread slating Boyle too ? Add a bit of Efe bombscare, Daz is finished, Mallan only scores and takes sets pieces and Lennon is tactically inept and we have the perfect Hibs net storm.

Oh aye, forget to have a swipe at the fans for not backing HSL and whilst we’re at it, and some on here truly are, we can chuck in away tickets, seagulls, food, tannoy.

I wish we were Tom Kite and then we wouldn’t have to worry about being Tom Kite.

You forgot Petrie😡

Liam978
12-11-2018, 04:12 PM
[QUOTE=underscore;5603494]One is a striker and on his playmaking midfielder.
" The Hibees "Wee" team have just beaten Killie at Rugby park. Obviously a Trojan day off. GG2TH,

calumhibee1
12-11-2018, 04:51 PM
Yeah, he was subbed at 92 minutes at Hearts. That'll recharge the batteries :greengrin

Never realised it was that late, just mind him going off :greengrin

Keith_M
12-11-2018, 05:39 PM
Agree or disagree, undercover Yam or ardent Hibby, the guy was just expressing an opinion that the two aren't suited to playing in the same team.


OK, we might disagree on his opinion of each player player's strengths and weaknesses, but this is just a harmless discussion on that opinion, surely?


:dunno:

calumhibee1
12-11-2018, 06:06 PM
Agree or disagree, undercover Yam or ardent Hibby, the guy was just expressing an opinion that the two aren't suited to playing in the same team.


OK, we might disagree on his opinion of each player player's strengths and weaknesses, but this is just a harmless discussion on that opinion, surely?


:dunno:

Unless your opinion is very vanilla or toes the party line then people will be up in arms about it. :agree:

ancient hibee
12-11-2018, 06:07 PM
I think it's a fair point, and I was wondering the same.

It isn't necessarily criticising either player, but questioning whether or not the two can play in the same team, and given we haven't been as good as last season it is a reasonable question to ask.

Hyndman is more like Scott Allan, more likely to create chances for other players than Mallan does who is more creative from set pieces rather than open play.

Maybe Hyndman in behind Kamberi and McLaren would work better?

Or Mallan off Kamberi with Boyle and Agyepong/ Horgan out wide?

It's a question that is worth asking imo, as I am of the opinion that we have a lot of good individual players but don't quite yet look like a good team. The balance between midfield, forwards, wide players and defenders coming out of defence with the ball during the second half of last season was sublime at times, and we haven't looked anything like as threatening this season.

And exactly how many 90 minutes have Mallan and McLaren played together to bring about this question as to their ability to play in the same team?

DetroitHibs
12-11-2018, 06:08 PM
I'm definitely no Hearts fan, been following Hibs for 30 something years. I just think the two players in the same team affect the balance of they way we play. Last season with McGinn, Dylan and Allan, we had great energy and drive in the midfield and could compliment Maclaren. I think with Mallan we have a tidy player that can pass and a great set piece specialist. What we don't have is that same drive that McGinn or Allan brought. Someone that picks up the ball and bursts through the midfield.

Smartie
12-11-2018, 06:13 PM
And exactly how many 90 minutes have Mallan and McLaren played together to bring about this question as to their ability to play in the same team?

Not enough to form a firm opinion that they cannot play in the same team together, but it is a question worth asking nonetheless.

McLaren scored a bucketload last season. Mallan has already scored a decent amount this season. Neither looked much like scoring on Friday night and we haven't tended to look brilliant wit both on the park (at Perth, Aberdeen and Livingston from memory).

Nobody here is saying they are poor players (although that's going on elsewhere).

I'm convinced we're only a tweak away from having a very good side, but I'm not convinced that tweak can happen without a big player being sacrificed. Bartley is often the player to be left out, but it could just as easily be McLaren, Mallan, Boyle, Gray, Milligan, Ambrose, Hyndman or anyone really.

Smartie
12-11-2018, 06:15 PM
I'm definitely no Hearts fan, been following Hibs for 30 something years. I just think the two players in the same team affect the balance of they way we play. Last season with McGinn, Dylan and Allan, we had great energy and drive in the midfield and could compliment Maclaren. I think with Mallan we have a tidy player that can pass and a great set piece specialist. What we don't have is that same drive that McGinn or Allan brought. Someone that picks up the ball and bursts through the midfield.

I agree.

The closest we've had was when Horgan did that against Aberdeen earlier this season.

Since then our midfield play has been a bit one-paced.

I've liked Hyndman's passing at times, Mallan's goalscoring record is superb, Milligan immediately improved the midfield when he was played there, Slivka has had the odd brilliant half game (2nd half v Asteras at home, 1st half vs Asteras away) but collectively the midfield hasn't been quite good enough for much of this season.

J-C
12-11-2018, 06:16 PM
I'm definitely no Hearts fan, been following Hibs for 30 something years. I just think the two players in the same team affect the balance of they way we play. Last season with McGinn, Dylan and Allan, we had great energy and drive in the midfield and could compliment Maclaren. I think with Mallan we have a tidy player that can pass and a great set piece specialist. What we don't have is that same drive that McGinn or Allan brought. Someone that picks up the ball and bursts through the midfield.

Mallan isn't the problem here, Slivka and Hyndman haven't stepped up to the plate, our midfield look weak apart from Milligan, Mallan is a clever young player with very good vision and will only get better. We needed an energetic box2box player in the summer and one wasn't signed.

ancient hibee
12-11-2018, 06:17 PM
Not enough to form a firm opinion that they cannot play in the same team together, but it is a question worth asking nonetheless.

McLaren scored a bucketload last season. Mallan has already scored a decent amount this season. Neither looked much like scoring on Friday night and we haven't tended to look brilliant wit both on the park (at Perth, Aberdeen and Livingston from memory).

Nobody here is saying they are poor players (although that's going on elsewhere).

I'm convinced we're only a tweak away from having a very good side, but I'm not convinced that tweak can happen without a big player being sacrificed. Bartley is often the player to be left out, but it could just as easily be McLaren, Mallan, Boyle, Gray, Milligan, Ambrose, Hyndman or anyone really.
I think what we really miss is someone bursting out of midfield through the middle who can take opposition players out of the game.A lot of our goals last season came from that.

J-C
12-11-2018, 06:18 PM
I think what we really miss is someone bursting out of midfield through the middle who can take opposition players out of the game.A lot of our goals last season came from that.

You mean SJM 😁

ancient hibee
12-11-2018, 06:23 PM
You mean SJM 😁
We were never going to get anyone as good as him but I think we could have concentrated on replacing him with someone of similar style.Maybe there’s nobody in our price range available.

My_Wife_Camille
12-11-2018, 06:24 PM
Mallan works very hard and keeps the shape well. He isn't McGinn charging around into tackles but he certainly can be played with a 2 striker formation. Aberdeen in the cup he was winning tackles and tracking so it can happen.

I don't really want guys who run around alot like Liam Craig instead.
What’s wrong with Liam Craig?

Smartie
12-11-2018, 06:26 PM
I think what we really miss is someone bursting out of midfield through the middle who can take opposition players out of the game.A lot of our goals last season came from that.

Yep, I agree, so at the moment I probably wouldn't conclude that McLaren and Mallan cannot play in the same team.

Horgan might manage to do it if he's played a bit deeper but the last few times he's played in midfield he's looked a bit lost. He also doesn't have the strength or bite that SJM had.

I think we're going to need to lose a few midfielders to find the type of player that best complements Milligan and Mallan. Gray and Hanlon fit, possibly another striker to help out Kamberi and McLaren and we're good to go again.

I'll be watching with interest though, as I maintain that it is not a ridiculous idea that the 2 might not quite work in the same team.

Teams often had trouble accommodating Kevin Nolan, who had an outstanding scoring record from midfield but didn't do enough other than that.

MWHIBBIES
12-11-2018, 06:34 PM
What’s wrong with Liam Craig?Nothing, was a solid player for Hibs but we have better now.


Unless your opinion is very vanilla or toes the party line then people will be up in arms about it. :agree:I don't think so. This place is tolerable of most thoughts as long as they are presented properly. Phrases like ''gash'' ''nowhere near good enough'' ''wage thief'' will get you rightfully called out. They are extreme nonsense.

LaMotta
12-11-2018, 06:34 PM
Mallan isn't the problem here, Slivka and Hyndman haven't stepped up to the plate, our midfield look weak apart from Milligan, Mallan is a clever young player with very good vision and will only get better. We needed an energetic box2box player in the summer and one wasn't signed.


Correct. Mallan has 9 goals and 4 assists to his name. Slivka and Hyndman have a goal and an assist BETWEEN them this season.

Mallan should be in that team every week, he just needs better players around him to help.

Sioux
12-11-2018, 07:03 PM
We were never going to get anyone as good as him but I think we could have concentrated on replacing him with someone of similar style.Maybe there’s nobody in our price range available.

Do you really think those type of players grow on trees?

There are very few players that play the way SJM does, and at the same time being very productive at it as well. And guess what, if you find one it'll cost plenty.

BILLYHIBS
12-11-2018, 07:10 PM
We have eight games coming up in December and it will be all hands to the pumps and I would not be surprised to see Mallan MacLaren Milligan and Bartley all in the same team
It would also be nice helpful to get some of our walking wounded back
SDG Hanlon and Agyepong
We might even get to see the new recruits and see what they are made of.

Squirrel 1875
12-11-2018, 07:15 PM
I don't think we can play both players at the same time. Maclaren offers very little apart from his goals and Mallan doesn't seem to offer much apart from his set pieces and shots. Neither work that hard for the team in terms of tracking back and digging in and I think playing with two players like that affects the balance. Teams like Killie and St Johnstone don't have the quality we have, but have 11 Trojans all working hard for each other.

Your point about Maclaren, I accept. Your point about Mallan, however, is utter nonsense. Mallan has been our best outfield player this season, just ahead of Kamberi and Milligan.

The issue here is the other midfielders have failed to step up and take their opportunity. Hyndman has been rotten, Slivka too inconsistent and Horgan hasn't really been given enough game time.

Maclaren is another issue and I think we need to send him back to Germany in January, it just isn't working at all.

calumhibee1
12-11-2018, 08:01 PM
Nothing, was a solid player for Hibs but we have better now.

I don't think so. This place is tolerable of most thoughts as long as they are presented properly. Phrases like ''gash'' ''nowhere near good enough'' ''wage thief'' will get you rightfully called out. They are extreme nonsense.

So in other words if someone doesn’t agree with you they’ll get all upset and “call you out for it” or call you a troll or whatever else.

It doesn’t matter whether they’re presented in a pretty paragraph or with one word, there’s posters on here who can’t handle anything that might not be the most commonly held view/their own view and think that anyone who doesn’t share that view is trolling.

I used “nowhere near good enough” to describe Slivka and Hyndman. Their performances have done nothing to suggest otherwise to me and plenty others (see the post above or another post a few further above or many others elsewhere) yet according to you you “rightfully called me out”.... because you don’t share that viewpoint and apparently because you don’t share it it’s “extreme nonsense”. Which just proves my point really.

I should add that the site as a whole is tolerant of different viewpoints. A handful of individual posters are most certainly not.

makaveli1875
12-11-2018, 08:03 PM
Mallan isn't the problem here, Slivka and Hyndman haven't stepped up to the plate, our midfield look weak apart from Milligan, Mallan is a clever young player with very good vision and will only get better. We needed an energetic box2box player in the summer and one wasn't signed.

That old chestnut . What energetic box to box midfielder would you have signed ?

if they were so easy to come by every team would have 1

cmcd
12-11-2018, 08:16 PM
That old chestnut . What energetic box to box midfielder would you have signed ?

if they were so easy to come by every team would have 1
I find it strange people saying Maclaren isn't good enough because he does nothing outside the box yet Cummings done nothing outside the box and only had one foot.JM has not been fully fit for a while but I'm sure he will come good given time .Only my opinion

calumhibee1
12-11-2018, 08:18 PM
I find it strange people saying Maclaren isn't good enough because he does nothing outside the box yet Cummings done nothing outside the box and only had one foot.JM has not been fully fit for a while but I'm sure he will come good given time .Only my opinion

To be fair Cummings totally flopped at Rangers so it could be said he wasn’t good enough for this level.

cmcd
12-11-2018, 08:21 PM
To be fair Cummings totally flopped at Rangers so it could be said he wasn’t good enough for this level either.

That is very true .Some supporters gave him a hard time at Hibs but others thought he was a World beater

calumhibee1
12-11-2018, 08:28 PM
That is very true .Some supporters gave him a hard time at Hibs but others thought he was a World beater

I liked him at Hibs and thought he got a hard time for apparently being a crap footballer. In relation to the league we were in I thought he done more than Maclaren does now and was much better at fashioning a chance himself/beating a man. I’m not sure he would have been able to keep that up after promotion though but we’ll never know.

ancient hibee
12-11-2018, 08:35 PM
Do you really think those type of players grow on trees?

There are very few players that play the way SJM does, and at the same time being very productive at it as well. And guess what, if you find one it'll cost plenty.
Very kind of you to put me in the picture.Suggest you read my post properly and the context in which it was made.

MWHIBBIES
12-11-2018, 08:40 PM
So in other words if someone doesn’t agree with you they’ll get all upset and “call you out for it” or call you a troll or whatever else.

It doesn’t matter whether they’re presented in a pretty paragraph or with one word, there’s posters on here who can’t handle anything that might not be the most commonly held view/their own view and think that anyone who doesn’t share that view is trolling.

I used “nowhere near good enough” to describe Slivka and Hyndman. Their performances have done nothing to suggest otherwise to me and plenty others (see the post above or another post a few further above or many others elsewhere) yet according to you you “rightfully called me out”.... because you don’t share that viewpoint and apparently because you don’t share it it’s “extreme nonsense”. Which just proves my point really.

I should add that the site as a whole is tolerant of different viewpoints. A handful of individual posters are most certainly not.

Its a nonsense exaggeration. They both looked more than good enough for Hibs when we battered Hamilton a few weeks ago. You genuinely have no idea what nowhere near means. I am nowhere near good enough for Hibs. Not 2 international midfielders. Why would Neil Lennon continue to pick and trust 2 guys who are nowhere near good enough?

You're perfectly entitled to your opinion, everyone is, I just think ridiculous exaggeration and extremes like that deserve to be laughed at. It is just laughable to suggest Slivka is nowhere near good enough with the performance he put in a Ibrox last season. At Dundee earlier this season. Hamilton few weeks ago. 2nd half vs Asteras. He might not be consistent enough or tough enough but nowhere near good enough is just extreme nonsense. Its knee-jerk as well. Floods of people are like that on here. 4 wins in a row and they are all quiet. Bad patch and Stevenson is hopeless, Slivka bottles every 50/50, bench Bogdan, Maclaren is gash, Mallan only scores free kicks bla bla bla. Seen it for years now and its very tiring.

calumhibee1
12-11-2018, 09:04 PM
Its a nonsense exaggeration. They both looked more than good enough for Hibs when we battered Hamilton a few weeks ago. You genuinely have no idea what nowhere near means. I am nowhere near good enough for Hibs. Not 2 international midfielders. Why would Neil Lennon continue to pick and trust 2 guys who are nowhere near good enough?

You're perfectly entitled to your opinion, everyone is, I just think ridiculous exaggeration and extremes like that deserve to be laughed at. It is just laughable to suggest Slivka is nowhere near good enough with the performance he put in a Ibrox last season. At Dundee earlier this season. Hamilton few weeks ago. 2nd half vs Asteras. He might not be consistent enough or tough enough but nowhere near good enough is just extreme nonsense. Its knee-jerk as well. Floods of people are like that on here. 4 wins in a row and they are all quiet. Bad patch and Stevenson is hopeless, Slivka bottles every 50/50, bench Bogdan, Maclaren is gash, Mallan only scores free kicks bla bla bla. Seen it for years now and its very tiring.

Being an international footballer means absolutely nothing when they’re not contributing enough at club level. We’ve had stacks of internationals come through our door who have been absolutely rotten. If that’s the standard of player you want in our team then bash on.

I can assure you - for the second time - I know exactly what nowhere near good enough means. And Slivka and Hyndman are nowhere near the standard required at Hibs based on the evidence they’ve provided and both look totally out their depth.

DetroitHibs
12-11-2018, 09:14 PM
Being an international footballer means absolutely nothing when they’re not contributing enough at club level. We’ve had stacks of internationals come through our door who have been absolutely rotten. If that’s the standard of player you want in our team then bash on.

I can assure you - for the second time - I know exactly what nowhere near good enough means. And Slivka and Hyndman are nowhere near the standard required at Hibs based on the evidence they’ve provided and both look totally out their depth.

Agree about both players. Can't a remember a game where either player took a real hold of the game and were at it for the full 90 minutes. Both players fade in and out of the game constantly. Guys like McGinn and Dylan were at it for 90 minutes solid most games. Can't afford passengers in this league.

J-C
12-11-2018, 09:22 PM
We were never going to get anyone as good as him but I think we could have concentrated on replacing him with someone of similar style.Maybe there’s nobody in our price range available.

Probably one of the reasons one wasn't signed.


Do you really think those type of players grow on trees?

There are very few players that play the way SJM does, and at the same time being very productive at it as well. And guess what, if you find one it'll cost plenty.

Doesn't have to be as good as McGinn but definitely needs to be better than Hyndman, Slivka and even Horgan. When we got McGinn he was still raw but huge potential and due to his terrific professional workmanship, he developed into a regular Scottish internationalist, YES these types of players don't grow on trees. We needed our much vaunted scouting/recruitment team to find another player of that ilk.


That old chestnut . What energetic box to box midfielder would you have signed ?

if they were so easy to come by every team would have 1

Seeing as I'm not a scout, I don't really know, obviously Kamara and Mulumbu were mentioned but we have no idea if these players were ever looked at. Peter Haring of Hearts has turned out to be a pretty decent signing, so they're definitely out there.

KDY Hibs
12-11-2018, 09:36 PM
Probably one of the reasons one wasn't signed.



Doesn't have to be as good as McGinn but definitely needs to be better than Hyndman, Slivka and even Horgan. When we got McGinn he was still raw but huge potential and due to his terrific professional workmanship, he developed into a regular Scottish internationalist, YES these types of players don't grow on trees. We needed our much vaunted scouting/recruitment team to find another player of that ilk.



Seeing as I'm not a scout, I don't really know, obviously Kamara and Mulumbu were mentioned but we have no idea if these players were ever looked at. Peter Haring of Hearts has turned out to be a pretty decent signing, so they're definitely out there.

Haring is gash ....

EH54
12-11-2018, 09:39 PM
I find it strange people saying Maclaren isn't good enough because he does nothing outside the box yet Cummings done nothing outside the box and only had one foot.JM has not been fully fit for a while but I'm sure he will come good given time .Only my opinion

Cummings hold up play was much better. His last season he was scoring free kicks and taking set pieces etc so he was adding to his game. He was also a character, much rather have Cummings back if the opportunity arose.

SideBurns
12-11-2018, 09:53 PM
After our 4th win on the bounce a few weeks ago, there seemed to be a growing consensus that we were getting the balance right in midfield with Milligan anchoring and the likes of Mallan, Hyndman, Slivka & Horgan
showing inventiveness and a goal threat. Unfortunately, injuries in defence since then has seen Milligan moved back and forth and that seems to have disturbed the consistency we were starting to achieve.

No-one could argue results or performances recently have been good, but to apply some perspective: we were roundly praised for our attacking approach at Celtic Park; usual scrappy derby at Tynie, and did well in the end to get a point with 10 men; poor at home to in-form St.J but it was one of those 'first goal the winner' games which they grabbed right at the end; and a slim defeat at Pittodrie in dreadful conditions, which was caused by a defensive mistake followed by a brilliant finish. Narrow margins.

It hasn't been much fun, but I recall being 3-0 down to Hamilton & Aberdeen last season when we still had SJM & Dylan - both games were over with long periods still to play. We've stayed in the game during our recent loss of form but just haven't showed the quality required in the final third. We need to do better but a lot of players who were playing well and receiving praise last month (or, in Maclaren's case, last season when he was banging in goals v The Huns, Jambos & Celtic) are being written off by some fans. They might be proved right, but now is surely not the time to decide these players aren't good enough.

LaMotta
12-11-2018, 10:09 PM
Being an international footballer means absolutely nothing when they’re not contributing enough at club level. We’ve had stacks of internationals come through our door who have been absolutely rotten. If that’s the standard of player you want in our team then bash on.

I can assure you - for the second time - I know exactly what nowhere near good enough means. And Slivka and Hyndman are nowhere near the standard required at Hibs based on the evidence they’ve provided and both look totally out their depth.

Agree 100 percent (sadly). Its not extreme nonsense what you are saying.

Claiming that a couple of decent ( not outstanding) performances in the space of 15 months, against 10 man Rangers, and 2 of the poorest Premiership teams in recent years are signs that a player is making a great contribution to Hibs is straw clutching at its best and "laughable" at worst.

MWHIBBIES
12-11-2018, 10:11 PM
Agree 100 percent (sadly). Its not extreme nonsense what you are saying.

Claiming that a couple of decent ( not outstanding) performances in the space of 15 months, against 10 man Rangers, and 2 of the poorest Premiership teams in recent years are signs that a player is making a great contribution to Hibs is straw clutching at its best and "laughable" at worst.Who claimed that?

I suggested that he has problems with consistency. And injuries. And being in and out of the team and being played in the wrong position.

When he plays well in the right position he is clearly good enough.

LaMotta
12-11-2018, 10:48 PM
Who claimed that?

I suggested that he has problems with consistency. And injuries. And being in and out of the team and being played in the wrong position.

When he plays well in the right position he is clearly good enough.

Clearly good enough for what? A middle of the road Scottish premiership team? Well thats what we look like right now so you could be right.

And all this "out of position" nonsense needs to stop. He has looked equally average no matter where he has played.

The reason he has been in and out the team and playing in different positions is because he hasnt really grasped his opprtunity at any point.

Why is Lennon picking him sometimes? Sadly we dont have better right now to choose from.

BILLYHIBS
13-11-2018, 06:51 AM
After our 4th win on the bounce a few weeks ago, there seemed to be a growing consensus that we were getting the balance right in midfield with Milligan anchoring and the likes of Mallan, Hyndman, Slivka & Horgan
showing inventiveness and a goal threat. Unfortunately, injuries in defence since then has seen Milligan moved back and forth and that seems to have disturbed the consistency we were starting to achieve.

No-one could argue results or performances recently have been good, but to apply some perspective: we were roundly praised for our attacking approach at Celtic Park; usual scrappy derby at Tynie, and did well in the end to get a point with 10 men; poor at home to in-form St.J but it was one of those 'first goal the winner' games which they grabbed right at the end; and a slim defeat at Pittodrie in dreadful conditions, which was caused by a defensive mistake followed by a brilliant finish. Narrow margins.

It hasn't been much fun, but I recall being 3-0 down to Hamilton & Aberdeen last season when we still had SJM & Dylan - both games were over with long periods still to play. We've stayed in the game during our recent loss of form but just haven't showed the quality required in the final third. We need to do better but a lot of players who were playing well and receiving praise last month (or, in Maclaren's case, last season when he was banging in goals v The Huns, Jambos & Celtic) are being written off by some fans. They might be proved right, but now is surely not the time to decide these players aren't good enough.

:top marks

Bristolhibby
13-11-2018, 06:56 AM
Can we add a thread slating Boyle too ? Add a bit of Efe bombscare, Daz is finished, Mallan only scores and takes sets pieces and Lennon is tactically inept and we have the perfect Hibs net storm.

Oh aye, forget to have a swipe at the fans for not backing HSL and whilst we’re at it, and some on here truly are, we can chuck in away tickets, seagulls, food, tannoy.

I wish we were Tom Kite and then we wouldn’t have to worry about being Tom Kite.

Don’t forget Lewis, he’s always worth having a go at.

J

BILLYHIBS
13-11-2018, 07:01 AM
Don’t forget Lewis, he’s always worth having a go at.

J

Yip! My laddie said he was getting it tight by some fans up at Aberdeen on Friday :confused:

JimBHibees
13-11-2018, 07:07 AM
After our 4th win on the bounce a few weeks ago, there seemed to be a growing consensus that we were getting the balance right in midfield with Milligan anchoring and the likes of Mallan, Hyndman, Slivka & Horgan
showing inventiveness and a goal threat. Unfortunately, injuries in defence since then has seen Milligan moved back and forth and that seems to have disturbed the consistency we were starting to achieve.

No-one could argue results or performances recently have been good, but to apply some perspective: we were roundly praised for our attacking approach at Celtic Park; usual scrappy derby at Tynie, and did well in the end to get a point with 10 men; poor at home to in-form St.J but it was one of those 'first goal the winner' games which they grabbed right at the end; and a slim defeat at Pittodrie in dreadful conditions, which was caused by a defensive mistake followed by a brilliant finish. Narrow margins.

It hasn't been much fun, but I recall being 3-0 down to Hamilton & Aberdeen last season when we still had SJM & Dylan - both games were over with long periods still to play. We've stayed in the game during our recent loss of form but just haven't showed the quality required in the final third. We need to do better but a lot of players who were playing well and receiving praise last month (or, in Maclaren's case, last season when he was banging in goals v The Huns, Jambos & Celtic) are being written off by some fans. They might be proved right, but now is surely not the time to decide these players aren't good enough.

A bit of context and perspective praise the lord. :greengrin

Time to support the team and manager very easy to be a fan when winning the best fans support when in a ropey patch like now rather than criticising everything.

matty_f
13-11-2018, 07:34 AM
After our 4th win on the bounce a few weeks ago, there seemed to be a growing consensus that we were getting the balance right in midfield with Milligan anchoring and the likes of Mallan, Hyndman, Slivka & Horgan
showing inventiveness and a goal threat. Unfortunately, injuries in defence since then has seen Milligan moved back and forth and that seems to have disturbed the consistency we were starting to achieve.

No-one could argue results or performances recently have been good, but to apply some perspective: we were roundly praised for our attacking approach at Celtic Park; usual scrappy derby at Tynie, and did well in the end to get a point with 10 men; poor at home to in-form St.J but it was one of those 'first goal the winner' games which they grabbed right at the end; and a slim defeat at Pittodrie in dreadful conditions, which was caused by a defensive mistake followed by a brilliant finish. Narrow margins.

It hasn't been much fun, but I recall being 3-0 down to Hamilton & Aberdeen last season when we still had SJM & Dylan - both games were over with long periods still to play. We've stayed in the game during our recent loss of form but just haven't showed the quality required in the final third. We need to do better but a lot of players who were playing well and receiving praise last month (or, in Maclaren's case, last season when he was banging in goals v The Huns, Jambos & Celtic) are being written off by some fans. They might be proved right, but now is surely not the time to decide these players aren't good enough.
Excellent post.

blackpoolhibs
13-11-2018, 09:36 AM
Can we keep this thread, and add to it as the weeks go on? :rolleyes:

One Day Soon
13-11-2018, 11:29 AM
After our 4th win on the bounce a few weeks ago, there seemed to be a growing consensus that we were getting the balance right in midfield with Milligan anchoring and the likes of Mallan, Hyndman, Slivka & Horgan
showing inventiveness and a goal threat. Unfortunately, injuries in defence since then has seen Milligan moved back and forth and that seems to have disturbed the consistency we were starting to achieve.

No-one could argue results or performances recently have been good, but to apply some perspective: we were roundly praised for our attacking approach at Celtic Park; usual scrappy derby at Tynie, and did well in the end to get a point with 10 men; poor at home to in-form St.J but it was one of those 'first goal the winner' games which they grabbed right at the end; and a slim defeat at Pittodrie in dreadful conditions, which was caused by a defensive mistake followed by a brilliant finish. Narrow margins.

It hasn't been much fun, but I recall being 3-0 down to Hamilton & Aberdeen last season when we still had SJM & Dylan - both games were over with long periods still to play. We've stayed in the game during our recent loss of form but just haven't showed the quality required in the final third. We need to do better but a lot of players who were playing well and receiving praise last month (or, in Maclaren's case, last season when he was banging in goals v The Huns, Jambos & Celtic) are being written off by some fans. They might be proved right, but now is surely not the time to decide these players aren't good enough.


Excellent post. An antidote to some of the miserably negative crap posted recently.

DetroitHibs
24-11-2018, 10:45 PM
Can we keep this thread, and add to it as the weeks go on? :rolleyes:

Sure we can. Watched the game and again I think both players starting weakens the team overall.

cleanyman
24-11-2018, 10:57 PM
Both average

Things will get interesting as soon as we get a pasting off Rangers. Folk have their heads in the sand.

calumhibee1
24-11-2018, 11:01 PM
Both average

Things will get interesting as soon as we get a pasting off Rangers. Folk have their heads in the sand.

I worry about a skelping at Ibrox. They’ve been pretty good there.

DetroitHibs
26-11-2018, 08:26 AM
Based on this season, I'd be starting Shaw up front with Flo. Lad is stronger, has a better touch and adds more to our game.

BILLYHIBS
26-11-2018, 06:57 PM
Based on this season, I'd be starting Shaw up front with Flo. Lad is stronger, has a better touch and adds more to our game.

:confused:

jacomo
26-11-2018, 10:33 PM
Both average

Things will get interesting as soon as we get a pasting off Rangers. Folk have their heads in the sand.


Heads in the sand about what?

Really, honestly, the hysteria on here is too much at times.

BILLYHIBS
26-11-2018, 10:52 PM
Based on this season, I'd be starting Shaw up front with Flo. Lad is stronger, has a better touch and adds more to our game.
Pecking Order:
Jamie Mac
A N Other
Gullan
Allan Lewis
Allan Scott
Shaw Olly
Flos own place starting to come under scrutiny by all accounts

The Leith Dutch
26-11-2018, 11:11 PM
If we dont have a poacher type striker we get posts all the time saying we need one, when we do have one we get posts like this saying they are useless.

Mallan didn't play well against Aberdeen or St Johstone, he almost scored twice vs hearts in a game that a red card changed completely.

Players will always have off days, supporters should support them for the long haul, that's why football is judged over a whole season and not 1 or 2 games.

You can add to that crying out for width for years and now complaining that they wingers we have aren't tough tackling enough.

The Leith Dutch
26-11-2018, 11:19 PM
After our 4th win on the bounce a few weeks ago, there seemed to be a growing consensus that we were getting the balance right in midfield with Milligan anchoring and the likes of Mallan, Hyndman, Slivka & Horgan
showing inventiveness and a goal threat. Unfortunately, injuries in defence since then has seen Milligan moved back and forth and that seems to have disturbed the consistency we were starting to achieve.

No-one could argue results or performances recently have been good, but to apply some perspective: we were roundly praised for our attacking approach at Celtic Park; usual scrappy derby at Tynie, and did well in the end to get a point with 10 men; poor at home to in-form St.J but it was one of those 'first goal the winner' games which they grabbed right at the end; and a slim defeat at Pittodrie in dreadful conditions, which was caused by a defensive mistake followed by a brilliant finish. Narrow margins.

It hasn't been much fun, but I recall being 3-0 down to Hamilton & Aberdeen last season when we still had SJM & Dylan - both games were over with long periods still to play. We've stayed in the game during our recent loss of form but just haven't showed the quality required in the final third. We need to do better but a lot of players who were playing well and receiving praise last month (or, in Maclaren's case, last season when he was banging in goals v The Huns, Jambos & Celtic) are being written off by some fans. They might be proved right, but now is surely not the time to decide these players aren't good enough.

Nice balanced post that actually addresses what went on in some very different games.
Doubt anybody is happy with the results right now but we're not suddenly a terrible team.

DetroitHibs
27-11-2018, 12:13 AM
Pecking Order:
Jamie Mac
A N Other
Gullan
Allan Lewis
Allan Scott
Shaw Olly
Flos own place starting to come under scrutiny by all accounts


Shaw has 8 league appearances, 2 goals and 1 assist. Maclaren has 9 league appearances and 1 goal, 0 assists. Your entitled to your opinion, but for me Shaw adds more to the team.

calumhibee1
27-11-2018, 07:20 AM
Pecking Order:
Jamie Mac
A N Other
Gullan
Allan Lewis
Allan Scott
Shaw Olly
Flos own place starting to come under scrutiny by all accounts

Flo at the very bottom of the pecking order? And two players we don’t have in A N Other and Scott Allan above him?

BILLYHIBS
27-11-2018, 07:25 AM
Flo at the very bottom of the pecking order? And two players we don’t have in A N Other and Scott Allan above him?
No! Please read again I never said Flo at the bottom of the pecking order I said questions being asked about his position
My point is it would appear that players that are not even at the club are ahead of Olly he is that far out of the picture
He needs a break needs it soon and needs to take it similar to our big mate Slivka
Lots of games coming up let’s see what happens
Fingers crossed 😁

JimBHibees
27-11-2018, 07:47 AM
I worry about a skelping at Ibrox. They’ve been pretty good there.

Why are we worrying about a game in 6 games or so time. The bed wetting on hear is incredible. Bet you are scared to open your curtains in the morning.

calumhibee1
27-11-2018, 08:05 AM
Why are we worrying about a game in 6 games or so time. The bed wetting on hear is incredible. Bet you are scared to open your curtains in the morning.

😂 dry yer eyes. I was replying to a previous post in the thread. All I was saying is that’s Rangers - whether we like to admit it or not - have been superb at home. Scored 29 goals in 8 games and won 7 out of 8 with a draw against a very good Killie team the only blot on their record. We could be in for a very hard time when we go to Ibrox. Seeing as you seem to be the forum police, what games are we allowed to talk about? You’ll have a meltdown when you hear anyone mention the next derby or the next transfer window which has been mentioned a lot recently, they’re even further away 👍🏼

calumhibee1
27-11-2018, 08:12 AM
No! Please read again I never said Flo at the bottom of the pecking order I said questions being asked about his position
My point is it would appear that players that are not even at the club are ahead of Olly he is that far out of the picture
He needs a break needs it soon and needs to take it similar to our big mate Slivka
Lots of games coming up let’s see what happens
Fingers crossed 😁

Apologies, must be the way it appeared on my phone. Looked like a list with Flo at the bottom 👍🏼

BILLYHIBS
27-11-2018, 08:14 AM
Shaw has 8 league appearances, 2 goals and 1 assist. Maclaren has 9 league appearances and 1 goal, 0 assists. Your entitled to your opinion, but for me Shaw adds more to the team.
Sorry Shaw has never improved for me has stood still has not progressed at the same rate as say young Porteous
Too easily knocked off the ball missed chances he would be expected to score wrong choices and lost opportunities
Subsequently dropped
Has bags of potential but so far unfulfilled
Needs to bulk up needs a break and simply must grab it with both hands
I fear for him

calumhibee1
27-11-2018, 08:17 AM
Sorry Shaw has never improved for me has stood still has not progressed at the same rate as say young Porteous
Too easily knocked off the ball missed chances he would be expected to score wrong choices and lost opportunities
Subsequently dropped
Has bags of potential but so far unfulfilled
Needs to bulk up needs a break and simply must grab it with both hands
I fear for him

Would agree with that regarding Shaw. Don’t think he’s at the stage of his development yet to be challenging for a start.

BILLYHIBS
27-11-2018, 08:18 AM
Apologies, must be the way it appeared on my phone. Looked like a list with Flo at the bottom 👍🏼
Haha!
I see it now
Sorry Shaw at the bottom
The boy needs a break before the break and simply must seize the moment

lyonhibs
27-11-2018, 08:19 AM
When we don't have a midfielder that can score from outside the box, we all howl at the moon saying one such midfielder is the missing piece of the jigsaw

When we don't have a poacher to put away chances in the box and generally create a bit of havoc, we all howl at the moon saying one such striker is the missing piece of the jigsaw.

When we have both of these, as soon as one or both perhaps temporarily lack a spot of fitness or form, they can no longer play in the same team.

The mind boggles sometimes :confused:

DetroitHibs
27-11-2018, 08:20 AM
Shaws far from the finished article, but he's contributed more this season than Maclaren. I'd rather we give him more game time than Maclaren. At least he's one of our own players to develop.

calumhibee1
27-11-2018, 08:25 AM
Shaws far from the finished article, but he's contributed more this season than Maclaren. I'd rather we give him more game time than Maclaren. At least he's one of our own players to develop.

Wouldn’t necessarily disagree with that although I don’t think Shaw has offered a lot either. There’s not a lot in it for me.

Can see your point about him being one of our own players though.

DetroitHibs
27-11-2018, 08:41 AM
Wouldn’t necessarily disagree with that although I don’t think Shaw has offered a lot either. There’s not a lot in it for me.

Can see your point about him being one of our own players though.

I think the biggest mistake was starting the season with two first team forwards and a development forward. Could be argued Shaw is a first team players, but that is still woefully short up front. Taking Kenny Miller would have made a ton of sense, instead we sign two full backs that can't get a sniff :confused:

calumhibee1
27-11-2018, 08:44 AM
I think the biggest mistake was starting the season with two first team forwards and a development forward. Could be argued Shaw is a first team players, but that is still woefully short up front. Taking Kenny Miller would have made a ton of sense, instead we sign two full backs that can't get a sniff :confused:

Yup. We are definitely short upfront.

The Modfather
27-11-2018, 08:44 AM
When we don't have a midfielder that can score from outside the box, we all howl at the moon saying one such midfielder is the missing piece of the jigsaw

When we don't have a poacher to put away chances in the box and generally create a bit of havoc, we all howl at the moon saying one such striker is the missing piece of the jigsaw.

When we have both of these, as soon as one or both perhaps temporarily lack a spot of fitness or form, they can no longer play in the same team.

The mind boggles sometimes :confused:

They were the missing pieces of the jigsaw, but without the rest of the jigsaw those pieces are not as effective. We need a team to compliment Mallan and/or McLaren, without that in place there are questions as to their current effectiveness.