Collum pulls out of game tonight

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Replaced by Alan Muir 🙄

[Onceinawhile]

If only his father had taken the same precaution.

[Alan62]

This is what happens when you let the bullies win.

Who'd be a referee? Absolutely thankless task made worse by idiots like The Rangers.

[Hibernia&Alba]

If only his father had taken the same precaution.

:faf:

:top marks

[BegbieHSC]

If only his father had taken the same precaution.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

I can see another strike looming.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

If only his father had taken the same precaution.

:top marks

[bingo70]

I can see another strike looming.

Good, the foreign refs were much better.

[H18 SFR]

I can see another strike looming.

Supported their strike the last time, wouldn't this time, they're very, very, very well paid and frankly incompetent.

I can assure you with the new TV deal they will want even more money.

[Ozyhibby]

Supported their strike the last time, wouldn't this time, they're very, very, very well paid and frankly incompetent.

I can assure you with the new TV deal they will want even more money.

Happily pay more for refs if it is opened up. Right now it is a closed shop with the majority of our refs coming from the west of Scotland.
We have players in the league from all over the world but refs have to be from Scotland? Not sure how that is legal?


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[danhibees1875]

Happily pay more for refs if it is opened up. Right now it is a closed shop with the majority of our refs coming from the west of Scotland.
We have players in the league from all over the world but refs have to be from Scotland? Not sure how that is legal?


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Do refs have to be from Scotland? I don't think that's a rule.

[Alan62]

Happily pay more for refs if it is opened up. Right now it is a closed shop with the majority of our refs coming from the west of Scotland.
We have players in the league from all over the world but refs have to be from Scotland? Not sure how that is legal?


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Not sure that's true. Surely a qualified referee could join one of the Scottish referee's associations. Essentially, all our refs must be members of a Scottish association.

The West Coast bias is another matter, based on a mix of population density other demographic trends and, of course, SFA bias.

[CropleyWasGod]

Do refs have to be from Scotland? I don't think that's a rule.

John Underhill is English.

IMO, that alone made him one of our better refs. He grew up in the south of England, oblivious to the baggage.

[Ozyhibby]

Not sure that's true. Surely a qualified referee could join one of the Scottish referee's associations. Essentially, all our refs must be members of a Scottish association.

The West Coast bias is another matter, based on a mix of population density other demographic trends and, of course, SFA bias.

Strange that as a profession it seems uniquely untouched by immigration?


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[Alan62]

Strange that as a profession it seems uniquely untouched by immigration?


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The thing is, it's not really a profession. It's a part-time hobby with very few people who referee making the top grade.

It also takes a long time to work your way up from refereeing kids' games to working through the ranks to the top. In most cases, recent migrants will be too busy working in full time jobs to spend what little leisure time they have reffing kids and amateurs for peanuts.

Add to that linguistic barriers and, the cronyism that undoubtedly exists in the referee associations, and it's a long slow journey to the top unless your name's Dallas.

[Carheenlea]

This is what happens when you let the bullies win.

Who'd be a referee? Absolutely thankless task made worse by idiots like The Rangers.

No danger has he a “groin strain”. He’s been put in a situation where he has felt the pressure of having undue attention focused upon in will hinder his ability to referee tonight’s game. The statement from Rangers was shameful.

[Not In The Know]

A corrupt west coast football institution -

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16114571.investigation-referees-blow-the-whistle-on-unrest/

[J-C]

Good, the foreign refs were much better.


Did you see the penalty for Man C the other night, not much better.

[007]

If only his father had taken the same precaution.

:top marks:thumbsup::not worth

Funniest post I've read for a while.

[Roxyhibee]

If only his father had taken the same precaution.

The one liner of the year. Brilliant.

[Hibs Class]

I can see another strike looming.


No need for a strike - all that's required is for the SFA/SPL to deal with the statement appropriately

[Alan62]

No need for a strike - all that's required is for the SFA/SPL to deal with the statement appropriately

Here comes the strike then.

[Alan62]

No need for a strike - all that's required is for the SFA/SPL to deal with the statement appropriately

Here comes the strike then.

[Ozyhibby]

The thing is, it's not really a profession. It's a part-time hobby with very few people who referee making the top grade.

It also takes a long time to work your way up from refereeing kids' games to working through the ranks to the top. In most cases, recent migrants will be too busy working in full time jobs to spend what little leisure time they have reffing kids and amateurs for peanuts.

Add to that linguistic barriers and, the cronyism that undoubtedly exists in the referee associations, and it's a long slow journey to the top unless your name's Dallas.

You would still expect some already qualified refs from other less prosperous parts of the world to fancy earning £1000 a game and living in Scotland, no?


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[we are hibs]

Alan Muir. Jeezo. Isn't that the fud who had the first leg play off game against falkirk where he saw the most deliberate handball in history and decided to not give anything?

[IGRIGI]

If only his father had taken the same precaution.

Savage

[superfurryhibby]

A corrupt west coast football institution -

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16114571.investigation-referees-blow-the-whistle-on-unrest/

We have an inner circle of almost untouchable refs, dominated by representatives from Glasgow, Lanark and Renfrewshire. Only 3 scottish cup finals ever refeered by men from the Edinburgh association. Virtually no refs making elite level from outside of any of the three weedgified districts mentioned above

The comments attached to the article are even more damning with some from referees operating outside the elite circle showing just how utterly tained by corruption the referees association is, disgraceful accounts.

Read the article folks. They relie on apathy to maintain the status quo.

[Alan62]

You would still expect some already qualified refs from other less prosperous parts of the world to fancy earning £1000 a game and living in Scotland, no?


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No. Not really, for lots of complicated reasons. Here are some.

A grand a game isn't that much if it's your only source of income. Remember it's still subject to tax.

Refs from low value economies are unlikely to have the experience required to ref at our top level.

Top refs tend to have another, white collar, professional career so are less likely to migrate unless their skills are easily transferable.

Senior refs are older and often have families - making migration more complicated.

Even if someone was still determined to cross the Sahara with their family in a handcart and their whistle round their necks, they'd still have to negotiate the complex cronyism that exists in the referee associations before they every got near a big game.

So, no, don't hold your breath for the referee migrants. Nearest you'll get to that will be someone from England or Wales moving with his work to somewhere like Standard Life and transferring into a refereeing environment he already knows and understands.

[The 90+2]

Here comes the strike then.

😃

[NorthNorfolkHFC]

How much are they paid?


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[hfc rd]

Alan Muir. Jeezo. Isn't that the fud who had the first leg play off game against falkirk where he saw the most deliberate handball in history and decided to not give anything?


Correct, that was the plonker.

TBH, all the refs are s**** so don’t know what difference this one will make

[Alan62]

How much are they paid?


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They get about £1000 a game at the top. English Premiership pro refs get a salary of about £65K plus a grand a game expenses.

Another reason why all those referee migrants aren't heading for Scotland. :wink:

[H18 SFR]

They get about £1000 a game at the top. English Premiership pro refs get a salary of about £65K plus a grand a game expenses.

Another reason why all those referee migrants aren't heading for Scotland. :wink:

It's just over £1200 now. Hefty 20% more.

[Alan62]

It's just over £1200 now. Hefty 20% more.

Still not enough to tempt someone to give up a professional career. Nice part-time cash if you can take all the hassle. Also a fairly short career at the top. Collum has been refereeing at the top level since 2006 and is 39 years old. He's still a teacher as far as I know.

It should also be noted that Collum is highly ranked by FIFA and has been on their list since 2006 - as well as being on their Elite list. We may think he's awful but, allegedly, he's up with the best.

[Here’s Lucy!]

If only his father had taken the same precaution.

:faf::faf: Eleven out of ten!! :faf::faf:

[where'stheslope]

How much are they paid?


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Far to much, if you ask me.
Around £850 a game plus expenses?
Not bad for a side line job, EH!!!

[HibbyAndy]

Umm can i be the first to ask WHY he has pulled out from tonight ?:confused:

[The 90+2]

Umm can i be the first to ask WHY he has pulled out from tonight ?:confused:

You aren’t allowed to ask that I’m afraid. I’m going to guess yesterday hun statement has played a part.

[SChibs]

No. Not really, for lots of complicated reasons. Here are some.

A grand a game isn't that much if it's your only source of income. Remember it's still subject to tax.

Refs from low value economies are unlikely to have the experience required to ref at our top level.

Top refs tend to have another, white collar, professional career so are less likely to migrate unless their skills are easily transferable.

Senior refs are older and often have families - making migration more complicated.

Even if someone was still determined to cross the Sahara with their family in a handcart and their whistle round their necks, they'd still have to negotiate the complex cronyism that exists in the referee associations before they every got near a big game.

So, no, don't hold your breath for the referee migrants. Nearest you'll get to that will be someone from England or Wales moving with his work to somewhere like Standard Life and transferring into a refereeing environment he already knows and understands.

A grand a game isn't that much? 4 games a month and that's 4k a month so around 2.8k after tax.

[Hibee87]

Umm can i be the first to ask WHY he has pulled out from tonight ?:confused:

Apparently picked up a groin injury during Champions League duty.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Umm can i be the first to ask WHY he has pulled out from tonight ?:confused:

Groin strain after a Euro game in midweek apparently 🙄

[where'stheslope]

A grand a game isn't that much? 4 games a month and that's 4k a month so around 2.8k after tax.

You forgot about about mid week cup games, plus dropping down a league to keep your eye in to help out!!!

[eastcoasthibby]

I dont think its the.referees that are to blame its the system that allows.them.to continue to make awful decisions without be.accountable or even more importantly learning from them and developing into better refs.! Its the SFA SPFL and referee reps that are.at fault cos they protect the shocking decisions and perceived bias, by not tackling poor performances they let them.carry on being crap ...and thinking they are great !! In England.they dont get away with poor performances because it adversely impacts on the product /game and financial part ultimately, if it carried on, so they deal with it more responsibly and at the time, although they do get mistakes down there its nowhere on the scale of up here ..in essence we allow them to continue to be SH&T£...

[emerald green]

Out of the frying pan into fire.