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Diclonius
07-11-2018, 08:14 AM
A joke. One rule for us, another for Rangers - doesn't matter if it wasn't a booking or not, you CAN'T APPEAL IT. From the DR below:

"Rangers have appealed against the controversial second yellow card dished out to Daniel Candeias against St Mirren.

The Ibrox club have asked the SFA for a hearing and their request has been granted. Even though there is no mechanism to overturn a second yellow, Gers will get the chance to outline their case.

And ref Willie Collum will have to explain why he handed Candeias a second booking in the wake of Rangers’ second goal in the 2-0 win.

Candeias was sent off after being shown a second yellow and ordinarily you can't appeal a red card shown for two bookings.

But Rangers are launching an appeal due to the extraordinary nature of his second booking.

The Portuguese was shown his second yellow after a clash with Saints defender Anton Ferdinand but TV pictures clearly showed him doing nothing wrong.

Ferdinand had grabbed Candeias around his shoulder before lifting his fist into his face.

It happened as Candeias celebrated Alfredo Morelos' goal in the 2-0 win. His first booking was a result of him celebrating with the crowd after he broke the deadlock."

Jones28
07-11-2018, 08:25 AM
I don't think we've got a case with Kamberi.

However this does set a precedent for others to do the same in the case of second yellows which is a good thing IMO

Diclonius
07-11-2018, 08:26 AM
I don't think we've got a case with Kamberi.

However this does set a precedent for others to do the same in the case of second yellows which is a good thing IMO

I would hope so, but given this is the SFA I doubt it.

Ryan69
07-11-2018, 08:26 AM
Absolutely ridiculous...


But no surprise..

TrinityHibs
07-11-2018, 08:29 AM
Absolutely ridiculous...


But no surprise..

I agree its a shocking rule and no surprise with those clowns in charge.

Callum_62
07-11-2018, 08:32 AM
We definitely have a case for Kamberis first yellow


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Jones28
07-11-2018, 08:34 AM
I would hope so, but given this is the SFA I doubt it.

I await the SFA statement saying this is a one time only case with baited breath.

green day
07-11-2018, 08:36 AM
While it is unsurprising that the SFA are allowing Sevco to do this first - if it leads to a change in the rules IMO this can only be a good thing.

overdrive
07-11-2018, 09:00 AM
While it is unsurprising that the SFA are allowing Sevco to do this first - if it leads to a change in the rules IMO this can only be a good thing.

There’s no chance they’ll do this for a non-OF team. Corrupt to the core.

green day
07-11-2018, 09:04 AM
There’s no chance they’ll do this for a non-OF team. Corrupt to the core.

Is that something you really believe, or is it just a pavlovian response?

Callum_62
07-11-2018, 09:06 AM
Is that something you really believe, or is it just a pavlovian response?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181107/4131dcf8658ee9b1ba6e3904a46d9d60.jpg

You think no one else has received a ridiculous booking over the years and it happens to be coincidence that one of the big 2 are getting an unprecedented hearing?



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overdrive
07-11-2018, 09:09 AM
Is that something you really believe, or is it just a pavlovian response?

In terms of one rule for them, another for the rest? Yes. The trend on the appeals process so far supports that view.

In terms of corruption? Probably, yes. Probably not in terms of taking bungs but doing favours for certain officials/clubs and covering stuff up, absolutely.

Del Boy
07-11-2018, 09:11 AM
There is no way they would be doing this for any club out with the bigot brothers

calumhibee1
07-11-2018, 09:12 AM
Is that something you really believe, or is it just a pavlovian response?

I believe it. There’ll be tons of examples of someone being given a wrongful second yellow but not being able to appeal it. Minute it happens to trangers they bend the rules. Next time it happens to someone else and they try it they’ll be told that the rules don’t allow for it.

oldbutdim
07-11-2018, 09:17 AM
Just paving the way for a further appeal; against the result of the 2016 Scottish Cup Final.

Quite ridiculous that result was allowed to stand in the face of opposition from the vast majority of the Scottish Media, the Klan, and Jim Traynor.

Callum_62
07-11-2018, 09:17 AM
Rules....and surely this one was mistaken identity?!?

Aye but we never mistook him for another hearts player- just the wrong team player

This is how absurd the game is.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hearts-furious-sfa-being-unable-9769461.amp



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Sylar
07-11-2018, 09:27 AM
It would be a decent step forward for amending the current rules against appealling yellow cards - just a shame it's taken until now and Rangers bleating about (though quite rightly IMO) their second yellow at the weekend for it to get consideration.

I also like that they're going to force Collum to explain his decision. Far too often do referees get teflon treatment in our game - they're accountable for their actions, and managers or captains should be able to question such a decision.

Since we're never going to bring in supporting technology, putting referee decisions under the spotlight and forcing them to defend their actions is the next best step.

hibbysam
07-11-2018, 09:31 AM
It would be a decent step forward for amending the current rules against appealling yellow cards - just a shame it's taken until now and Rangers bleating about (though quite rightly IMO) their second yellow at the weekend for it to get consideration.

I also like that they're going to force Collum to explain his decision. Far too often do referees get teflon treatment in our game - they're accountable for their actions, and managers or captains should be able to question such a decision.

Since we're never going to bring in supporting technology, putting referee decisions under the spotlight and forcing them to defend their actions is the next best step.

Disagree. Re-refereeing games will only make things worse. They can then not care about their decisions as they know it will be amended after the game.

The step we should be taking is making referees full time, forcing them to take their role seriously and hopefully then enticing more referees to take the game up and therefore building a bigger range of referees meaning ‘promotion and relegation’ would be a real possibility for poor performances.

Handing out yellows, or rescinding yellow cards is dangerous and not a route we should be going down.

DarlingtonHibee
07-11-2018, 09:33 AM
This is a joke. Put more pressure on the ref doing the huns game.

SouthMoroccoStu
07-11-2018, 09:34 AM
I don't think we've got a case with Kamberi.

However this does set a precedent for others to do the same in the case of second yellows which is a good thing IMO

Bit late even if we did

Unless the SFA would issue us a freebie - a "get out of jail free card" to be used at a later date.....

That would be nice

green day
07-11-2018, 09:35 AM
I believe it. There’ll be tons of examples of someone being given a wrongful second yellow but not being able to appeal it. Minute it happens to trangers they bend the rules. Next time it happens to someone else and they try it they’ll be told that the rules don’t allow for it.

You dont actually believe that, do you?

PatHead
07-11-2018, 09:39 AM
Opening a can of worms. Imagine the SFA will be inundated every Monday morning.

Sir David Gray
07-11-2018, 09:42 AM
It would be a decent step forward for amending the current rules against appealling yellow cards - just a shame it's taken until now and Rangers bleating about (though quite rightly IMO) their second yellow at the weekend for it to get consideration.

I also like that they're going to force Collum to explain his decision. Far too often do referees get teflon treatment in our game - they're accountable for their actions, and managers or captains should be able to question such a decision.

Since we're never going to bring in supporting technology, putting referee decisions under the spotlight and forcing them to defend their actions is the next best step.

Disagree. A decent step forward would be for the clubs to sit round the table at the end of the season and vote on changing the rules going forward.

I agree that the Candeias sending off was a farce, I even accept that there should be some form of action taken against Collum as a result of this decision. What shouldn't happen is that the rules are amended mid-way through a season, without anyone being consulted about it.

You cannot have one rule for one incident and another rule for others. The current rule, rightly or wrongly, is that yellow cards cannot be appealed unless it was for diving or mistaken identity. Since neither of these apply to the Candeias case then he should not be allowed an appeal.

Carheenlea
07-11-2018, 09:46 AM
I’d go as far as scrapping the appeals process as it is. We all get duff decisions but this now weekly ritual of appeals and retrospective cards is becoming tiresome with everyone convinced there is a conspiracy against their own club. I don’t think all this helps in encouraging people into refereeing at the top level of Scottish Football or is helping improve standards.

Smartie
07-11-2018, 09:50 AM
I’d go as far as scrapping the appeals process as it is. We all get duff decisions but this now weekly ritual of appeals and retrospective cards is becoming tiresome with everyone convinced there is a conspiracy against their own club. I don’t think all this helps in encouraging people into refereeing at the top level of Scottish Football or is helping improve standards.

The appeals process would be fine if it even appeared to semi-work.

The appeals that are upheld and those that are dismissed appear to occur entirely at random, and now they're going above their own rules.

It makes a mockery of the whole thing, and there's an element of logic in saying "the referee's decision is final".

Ryan69
07-11-2018, 09:58 AM
It would be a decent step forward for amending the current rules against appealling yellow cards - just a shame it's taken until now and Rangers bleating about (though quite rightly IMO) their second yellow at the weekend for it to get consideration.

I also like that they're going to force Collum to explain his decision. Far too often do referees get teflon treatment in our game - they're accountable for their actions, and managers or captains should be able to question such a decision.

Since we're never going to bring in supporting technology, putting referee decisions under the spotlight and forcing them to defend their actions is the next best step.

Should help the referees making anymore big calls against the zombies in future most likely.

The 90+2
07-11-2018, 10:09 AM
Absolute joke. Somehow, somewhere they will still feel the SFA are against them though.

PatHead
07-11-2018, 10:13 AM
Someone has told me that this rule was changed for season 2017/18 after Martin decision. Various appeals have been heard recently, including Aberdeen a couple of weeks ago.

Anyone know if this is correct?

Juniper Greens
07-11-2018, 10:19 AM
Someone has told me that this rule was changed for season 2017/18 after Martin decision. Various appeals have been heard recently, including Aberdeen a couple of weeks ago.

Anyone know if this is correct?

I heard this too. Makes a mockery of the original story, but what can you expect from the Daily Record?

Bostonhibby
07-11-2018, 10:26 AM
If I was sevco I'd appeal celtcs last two trebles. With the lodge mentality that runs Scottish football they've got to be in with a shout.

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CropleyWasGod
07-11-2018, 10:35 AM
The appeal is on the grounds of mistaken identity, which is allowed.

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish-fa/football-governance/disciplinary/disciplinary-updates/

I'm shocked and appalled that folk are using the Record as a source instead of the facts. :greengrin

hibbysam
07-11-2018, 10:39 AM
The appeal is on the grounds of mistaken identity, which is allowed.

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish-fa/football-governance/disciplinary/disciplinary-updates/

I'm shocked and appalled that folk are using the Record as a source instead of the facts. :greengrin

Apart from the fact it wasn’t mistaken identity, Collum knew exactly who he wanted to caution.

Callum_62
07-11-2018, 10:42 AM
Apart from the fact it wasn’t mistaken identity, Collum knew exactly who he wanted to caution.

Who was he mistaken for?

Meanwhile Maulary Martin count appeal his after the opposing team tripped his own player - because he wasnt mistaken for another hearts player [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]


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neil7908
07-11-2018, 10:48 AM
After this and Gordon Smith's comments can anyone honestly say that Scottish football isn't a basket case run for the benefit of 1 or 2 clubs?

CropleyWasGod
07-11-2018, 10:51 AM
Apart from the fact it wasn’t mistaken identity, Collum knew exactly who he wanted to caution.

...in which case, the appeal would be thrown out.

That's not my point. People are complaining about this being an example of Rangers being given special treatment, based on a nonsense Daily Record piece. It really isn't.

Hermit Crab
07-11-2018, 11:04 AM
Celtic done this a few seasons ago. Old news.

PatHead
07-11-2018, 11:43 AM
How come Hibs have never done this PETRIE!!!!!

staunchhibby
07-11-2018, 11:45 AM
Surely this opens the door to appeal against Kamberi yellow card

Callum_62
07-11-2018, 11:46 AM
Surely this opens the door to appeal against Kamberi yellow card

Think weve missed the boat with that one


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Bristolhibby
07-11-2018, 11:49 AM
I don't think we've got a case with Kamberi.

However this does set a precedent for others to do the same in the case of second yellows which is a good thing IMO

We do for his first booking. If you can appeal the second, the logical next step is you can appeal the first.

J

CropleyWasGod
07-11-2018, 11:51 AM
Surely this opens the door to appeal against Kamberi yellow card

Not unless we think it was mistaken identity.

Callum_62
07-11-2018, 11:52 AM
Not unless we think it was mistaken identity.

Must be because there is no way he committed the fouls Dallas thought he did

linlithgowhibbie
07-11-2018, 11:55 AM
I thought he deserved the 2nd yellow for blowing kisses to the Saints defender before he was hugged by the goalie!

tamig
07-11-2018, 12:40 PM
Opening a can of worms. Imagine the SFA will be inundated every Monday morning.

Exactly. It opens the door to appealing any yellow card basically.

CropleyWasGod
07-11-2018, 12:49 PM
Exactly. It opens the door to appealing any yellow card basically.

...only if grounds for that appeal fall within the rules, which this one does. :greengrin

Keith_M
07-11-2018, 01:05 PM
Yet another example of the rules being made up as they go along, but only if it suits The Rangers.



EDIT: Oops, it might be that it is within the current rules. Damn facts, always ruining my argument!

ancient hibee
07-11-2018, 02:29 PM
I'm absolutely appalled that there are hibs fans who believe what they read in the Daily Record. Has Scottish education sunk to this level?

GreenLake
07-11-2018, 02:42 PM
Is that something you really believe, or is it just a pavlovian response?

Are you referring to overdrive or the SFA? :greengrin

Deansy
07-11-2018, 02:57 PM
A joke. One rule for us, another for Rangers - doesn't matter if it wasn't a booking or not, you CAN'T APPEAL IT. From the DR below:

"Rangers have appealed against the controversial second yellow card dished out to Daniel Candeias against St Mirren.

The Ibrox club have asked the SFA for a hearing and their request has been granted. Even though there is no mechanism to overturn a second yellow, Gers will get the chance to outline their case.

And ref Willie Collum will have to explain why he handed Candeias a second booking in the wake of Rangers’ second goal in the 2-0 win.

Candeias was sent off after being shown a second yellow and ordinarily you can't appeal a red card shown for two bookings.

But Rangers are launching an appeal due to the extraordinary nature of his second booking.

The Portuguese was shown his second yellow after a clash with Saints defender Anton Ferdinand but TV pictures clearly showed him doing nothing wrong.

Ferdinand had grabbed Candeias around his shoulder before lifting his fist into his face.

It happened as Candeias celebrated Alfredo Morelos' goal in the 2-0 win. His first booking was a result of him celebrating with the crowd after he broke the deadlock."



AND

'And ref Willie Collum will have to explain why ........'

So not only do the Hun get preferential treatment but Collum is gonna be quized on his performance - meanwhile we get cited for the derby-match but Dallas doesn't get quizzed for his atrocious performance ?? :fuming:

CropleyWasGod
07-11-2018, 03:08 PM
AND

'And ref Willie Collum will have to explain why ........'

So not only do the Hun get preferential treatment but Collum is gonna be quized on his performance - meanwhile we get cited for the derby-match but Dallas doesn't get quizzed for his atrocious performance ?? :fuming:

They don't....which kind of makes the rest of the piece redundant. :rolleyes:

Stokesy's on fire
07-11-2018, 03:40 PM
It sounds like the SFA and Rangers have kissed and made up and it's back to the good old give the people what they want days

jdships
07-11-2018, 03:53 PM
After this and Gordon Smith's comments can anyone honestly say that Scottish football isn't a basket case run for the benefit of 1 or 2 clubs?

10/10 Sir. Need say no more

Danderhall Hibs
07-11-2018, 04:05 PM
Apparently the basis of the appeal is mistaken identity which is one you can appeal a yellow on.

Billy Whizz
07-11-2018, 04:14 PM
Apparently the basis of the appeal is mistaken identity which is one you can appeal a yellow on.

So I hear, wonder who Rangers think Collum meant to book?

Danderhall Hibs
07-11-2018, 04:16 PM
So I hear, wonder who Rangers think Collum meant to book?

I know - there was no one else close. In a way I’d like to see it over turned just to hear the ridiculous reason they use to cover up Collums mistake.

southern hibby
07-11-2018, 04:50 PM
Maybe I’m in a different mind set here but the SFA are a joke ( so are newco ) but fair play to them for trying to get it rescinded. Watched it on tv and for me he did absolutely nothing wrong.

Maybe if more clubs did this then this would highlight how useless and sh t our refs are in this country.

I know I’m probably going against the main view here but surely if we get this presidency set by Newco then every time we want a hearing then we should be able to get one.

GGTTH

Diclonius
07-11-2018, 05:18 PM
Yup, looks like this has been in the rulebook the whole time (mistaken identity). Sorry lads, fuss over nothing!