Racist?

[Chorley Hibee]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/im-not-racist-scots-mum-13518517

I actually know this woman through my wife, and I wondered what others take on this was?

I personally think it's incredibly stupid, and I find it unpalatable that the nursery is defending this too.

[CropleyWasGod]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/im-not-racist-scots-mum-13518517

I actually know this woman through my wife, and I wondered what others take on this was?

I personally think it's incredibly stupid, and I find it unpalatable that the nursery is defending this too.I've read the article 3 times now and can't see who is actually complaining about it. Is that poor journalism or a fuss about nothing?

However, I do have a maxim that goes "anyone who uses the phrase 'PC' automatically loses the argument" [emoji16]

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[Lendo]

Racist.

Plus she got a token 'PC gone mad' which automatically qualifies her for moron status.

Who is she to comment on whether Scotland has a racism problem like the USA? I imagine she has never been subjected to any form of discrimination based on the colour of her skin.

[JeMeSouviens]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/im-not-racist-scots-mum-13518517

I actually know this woman through my wife, and I wondered what others take on this was?

I personally think it's incredibly stupid, and I find it unpalatable that the nursery is defending this too.

Incredibly stupid and definitely racist although possibly unconsciously.

[Pretty Boy]

Racist.

Maybe unintentionally but racist all the same.

[Geo_1875]

Incredibly stupid and definitely racist although possibly unconsciously.

Nobody is accidently racist.

[Beefster]

She’s a twat, even if she wasn’t intentionally racist. I’m not sure I’d be comfortable with someone that idiotic taking part in shaping my young child’s character tbh.

[pollution]

Tasteless I would say.

What a moronic mother. Poor child.

I wonder which team she is affiliated with?

[Just Alf]

Tasteless I think but racist?

I'm thinking back to 10 or so years of holidays and if was being dressed up as a Lookie Lookie man then I can't think of a single occasion where they weren't black, so if I didn't black up then it wouldnt look right.

But would I do it?..... Nah... A bit stupid and insensitive.



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[Hibbyradge]

Tasteless I think but racist?

I'm thinking back to 10 or so years of holidays and if was being dressed up as a Lookie Lookie man then I can't think of a single occasion where they weren't black, so if I didn't black up then it wouldnt look right.

But would I do it?..... Nah... A bit stupid and insensitive.



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https://www.vox.com/2014/10/29/7089591/why-is-blackface-offensive-halloween-costume

[Fife-Hibee]

Not for me. Racism has become a ridiculously broad term now which takes the focus away from it original definition.

I don't see how a little girl being coloured in black falls into the same category as somebody being abused or treated differently for being black. It's just somebody having a bit of daft fun on an occasion where people dress up in all sorts of nonsense. A complete non-story from a complete non-newspaper.

[Colr]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/im-not-racist-scots-mum-13518517

I actually know this woman through my wife, and I wondered what others take on this was?

I personally think it's incredibly stupid, and I find it unpalatable that the nursery is defending this too.

I’m with you on this. She must be dumb as a ham not to see it.

[lapsedhibee]

https://www.vox.com/2014/10/29/7089591/why-is-blackface-offensive-halloween-costume

Good article which includes an argument that you shouldn't dress up, for comic effect, as a member of a group which has historically been treated like crap. The dressing up perpetuates a bad tradition of looking down on a whole group.

Does the same principle not apply to men dressing up as women for comic effect? Should all statues of Les Dawson now be pulled down?

[Pretty Boy]

Not for me. Racism has become a ridiculously broad term now which takes the focus away from it original definition.

I don't see how a little girl being coloured in black falls into the same category as somebody being abused or treated differently for being black. It's just somebody having a bit of daft fun on an occasion where people dress up in all sorts of nonsense. A complete non-story from a complete non-newspaper.

The whole 'joke' works because it's a representation of a black person doing a menial job that borders on illegality. If she dressed up as a black Doctor or lawyer then it doesn't work.

As you say people dress up as all sorts of nonsense at this time of year so it's beyond me why anyone would choose something that was so obviously going to attract controversy.

[Beefster]

Not for me. Racism has become a ridiculously broad term now which takes the focus away from it original definition.

I don't see how a little girl being coloured in black falls into the same category as somebody being abused or treated differently for being black. It's just somebody having a bit of daft fun on an occasion where people dress up in all sorts of nonsense. A complete non-story from a complete non-newspaper.

Racism is a broad term. That’s the point - like all discrimination, it comes in various forms and degrees of severity.

No one is claiming that ‘blacking up’ is on a par with abusing someone for the colour of their skin (unless I missed it).

[Speedy]

Nobody is accidently racist.

Not true

[beensaidbefore]

I think the fact that this was a costume of a generic black person that makes this one such an issue. If her costume had been eg Mr T then I could see there being some justification. She must have known it would have caused offence. Really stupid considering her choice of career.

[Chorley Hibee]

It will be interesting to see how this pans out. This happened on the nursery property too, and girl involved is unrepentant, and steadfastly refuses to apologise or remove the photo from social media etc.

Nursery owner/manager continues to support her in this stance, but nursery now the subject of a litany of complaints, negative reviews and comments upon social media.

Wife tells me the Care Inspectorate are now involved too.

[Chorley Hibee]

Tasteless I would say.

What a moronic mother. Poor child.

I wonder which team she is affiliated with?

Celtic

[IGRIGI]

Firstly, is she single?

Secondly I have to applaud her for not backing down and not apologising, it's the worst thing to do in the face of the forever morally outraged left.

[CropleyWasGod]

Firstly, is she single?

Secondly I have to applaud her for not backing down and not apologising, it's the worst thing to do in the face of the forever morally outraged left.

Who has complained, though?

The original piece makes no mention of who she is supposed to have upset.

[Chorley Hibee]

Who has complained, though?

The original piece makes no mention of who she is supposed to have upset.

I know of a few official complaints made to the nursery from other parents.

[CropleyWasGod]

I know of a few official complaints made to the nursery from other parents.

That's fair enough, but the article makes no mention of any complaints. Taken at face value, it sounds like someone howling at the moon.

[McSwanky]

Can someone point me in the direction of the Jimmy Saville/Hitler costumes? I haven't seen any of them, but I'd say they (as with this case) were pretty ill-judged as well. She makes it sound like she knows of quite a few???

I'm all for having a laugh, but there are other, more socially acceptable ways...

[JeMeSouviens]

I've read the article 3 times now and can't see who is actually complaining about it. Is that poor journalism or a fuss about nothing?

However, I do have a maxim that goes "anyone who uses the phrase 'PC' automatically loses the argument" [emoji16]

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Definitely and possibly. It says, "My boss at work is absolutely fine about it. She thinks the complaints are ridiculous", which tends to suggest there have been complaints but doesn't specify who/what. 0/10 for clarity.

Meanwhile the Independent says:

"The post has received more than 700 comments, a large proportion of which accuse Ms Lynn (sic) of racism."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/halloween-daughter-blacked-up-costume-facebook-claire-flynn-scotland-motherwell-a8614001.html


Which tends to suggest it's just a facebook thing?

[danhibees1875]

Can someone point me in the direction of the Jimmy Saville/Hitler costumes? I haven't seen any of them, but I'd say they (as with this case) were pretty ill-judged as well. She makes it sound like she knows of quite a few???

I'm all for having a laugh, but there are other, more socially acceptable ways...

I've seen Saville ones before - I think someone (Hearts fan?) wore to a football game v Celtic once. I'm not quite sure I agree with her assessment that her having done something racist here would be akin to that person being a paedophile though.

Not sure I've seen a Hitler outfit, but I imagine such a thing would be widely condemned. Did one of the princes not dress as a generic German soldier once and get pelters for it?


As for this woman, I doubt she was trying to cause any offence and I think it's extreme to brand her a "racist" for her actions - but I do think that if it had been properly thought through then she would have been better stearing clear of such an outfit.

[Slavers]

I don't think you can automatically call the costume racist, inappropriate yes but not racist. If she had implied that all black people are looky looky men then yes that would be racist but to dress up as a looky looky man for a fancy dress then I don't think its racist but it is a strange choice of costume.

Another comparison would be the film 'White Chicks', in the film two black men dress up as white chicks and whiten up their faces and attend college pretending to be white chicks. Is that film racist towards white people? No I don't think it is either, its just a bit weird and silly to do that.

[pollution]

Diverting for a moment re Saville: I came across a video of him doing TOTP and he sexually assaults a female live on TV.

She gamely laughed it off. What a pervert, makes me sick.

Diversion over.

[Slavers]

Diverting for a moment re Saville: I came across a video of him doing TOTP and he sexually assaults a female live on TV.

She gamely laughed it off. What a pervert, makes me sick.

Diversion over.

Just think Jimmy Saville was knighted - the implications are horrendous and no one wants to face the ugly sick truth.

[Beefster]

Another comparison would be the film 'White Chicks', in the film two black men dress up as white chicks and whiten up their faces and attend college pretending to be white chicks. Is that film racist towards white people? No I don't think it is either, its just a bit weird and silly to do that.

They should ask answer that question in ‘Racism 101’. Would save it coming up in every discussion ever about ‘blacking up’.

Or you could just do some reading. Either or.

[Slavers]

They should ask answer that question in ‘Racism 101’. Would save it coming up in every discussion ever about ‘blacking up’.

Or you could just do some reading. Either or.

What is more racist blacking up or whitening Up?

I'm making my point badly here but what i am meaning to say is we should not constantly think of black people as being a victim. It's 2018 its time to change the mindset and see all people as equal. That means being able to laugh at all kinds of people black, white and whatever color of skin they have.

I often think that the far left is the most racist ideology on earth as it views and judges everything and everyone by the color of their skin.

[Onceinawhile]

What is more racist blacking up or whitening Up?

I'm making my point badly here but what i am meaning to say is we should not constantly think of black people as being a victim. It's 2018 its time to change the mindset and see all people as equal. That means being able to laugh at all kinds of people black, white and whatever color of skin they have.

I often think that the far left is the most racist ideology on earth as it views and judges everything and everyone by the color of their skin.


Except for the past 300+ years, guess who have been (and continue to be) the main victims of racism? (hint, it's not white people).

There also isn't a long established tradition of black people dressing as white people to mock them solely for the entertainment of other white people. But well done on finding one example of black people using "white face".

[McSwanky]

(hint, it's not white people)

..and there it is. Nail on head. :top marks

[Beefster]

What is more racist blacking up or whitening Up?

I'm making my point badly here but what i am meaning to say is we should not constantly think of black people as being a victim. It's 2018 its time to change the mindset and see all people as equal. That means being able to laugh at all kinds of people black, white and whatever color of skin they have.

I often think that the far left is the most racist ideology on earth as it views and judges everything and everyone by the color of their skin.

I suppose being accused of being 'far left' makes a change from being called a 'Tory'. Thankfully I've yet to be accused of being 'far right'.

[Hibrandenburg]

I suppose being accused of being 'far left' makes a change from being called a 'Tory'. Thankfully I've yet to be accused of being 'far right'.

Ridiculous, we know you're hardline SNP.

[Slavers]

Except for the past 300+ years, guess who have been (and continue to be) the main victims of racism? (hint, it's not white people).

There also isn't a long established tradition of black people dressing as white people to mock them solely for the entertainment of other white people. But well done on finding one example of black people using "white face".

Snoop Dogg also whitened up his face

https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1266&bih=564&ei=j_HiW4a5E8abgQah35HoCw&q=Snoop+Dogg+Whiteface&oq=Snoop+Dogg+Whiteface&gs_l=img.3...1832.10713.0.10923.31.18.6.7.4.0.130. 1268.17j1.18.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..0.27.1243...0. 0.-FHnWfPVoU0#imgrc=tV9QhZ8-mdTiMM:

I'd suggest racism has been going on in every country for over 300 years (Not specifically aimed at only black people) and will continue in some form for the next 300 years. Humans are tribal people and they will always be suspicious of who they perceive as being an outsider.

If you wanted you could look at racism through a religious context and see if there are any religions have racist views or specifically hold racist views against black people - it's not Christianity btw.

The clues are there if you want to look.

[Hibrandenburg]

Snoop Dogg also whitened up his face

https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1266&bih=564&ei=j_HiW4a5E8abgQah35HoCw&q=Snoop+Dogg+Whiteface&oq=Snoop+Dogg+Whiteface&gs_l=img.3...1832.10713.0.10923.31.18.6.7.4.0.130. 1268.17j1.18.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..0.27.1243...0. 0.-FHnWfPVoU0#imgrc=tV9QhZ8-mdTiMM:

I'd suggest racism has been going on in every country for over 300 years (Not specifically aimed at only black people) and will continue in some form for the next 300 years. Humans are tribal people and they will always be suspicious of who they perceive as being an outsider.

If you wanted you could look at racism through a religious context and see if there are any religions have racist views or specifically hold racist views against black people - it's not Christianity btw.

The clues are there if you want to look.


http://c2.thejournal.ie/media/2015/10/ku-klux-klan-1991-cross-burning-752x501.jpg

[Slavers]

http://c2.thejournal.ie/media/2015/10/ku-klux-klan-1991-cross-burning-752x501.jpg

Yet it was the Christians in the UK that set about ending slavery.

I know the Talmud is specifically racist towards black people. There might be others?

[beensaidbefore]

Yet it was the Christians in the UK that set about ending slavery.

I know the Talmud is specifically racist towards black people. There might be others?

Just typed Talmud racism into Google and there is plenty reading. All of it antisemitic fake news I would imagine.