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HAZ2000
30-10-2018, 07:35 PM
Not played much at all this season but always seems to have a good game against them. Him and Milligan could be key tomorrow-- though Slivka had a great game against Hamilton and played out of position against Celtic and him playong would allow us to play better football

DickieDastardly
30-10-2018, 07:38 PM
Not for me, big difference between training fit and competitive match fit; on the bench and use if required.

Tornadoes70
30-10-2018, 07:42 PM
Not played much at all this season but always seems to have a good game against them. Him and Milligan could be key tomorrow-- though Slivka had a great game against Hamilton and played out of position against Celtic and him playong would allow us to play better football

The Bartman normally excels in derby games and if fit should definitely play a part in the match. However, given the lack of recent game time I understand why a number of folk would disagree in him starting the match and the fact we have done well in recent games without him. He most certainly could have a part to play and come on as a substitute especially in the event we're defending a lead later in the game and shore up the midfield defensively and retain possession.

Mon the Cabbage!!!

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Diclonius
30-10-2018, 07:45 PM
Yes.

Smartie
30-10-2018, 07:46 PM
Yep.

Marvin Bartley should be cryogenically frozen and produced 4 times a season to play in and dominate the Edinburgh derby (3 when the jambos fail to make the top six) for ever more.

Leaving out Marvin Bartley when he is fit and able to play in a derby is a fatal mistake.

GibbytheHibby2
30-10-2018, 07:50 PM
Yes

IGRIGI
30-10-2018, 07:50 PM
Yes, he's like the Sergio Garcia or Colin Montgomerie of derbies.

Brooster
30-10-2018, 07:50 PM
Not in my opinion.

Weegreenman
30-10-2018, 07:50 PM
This is going to be a battle, make no mistake about it. Big Marv gets the 👍 from me. Levein will have them feeling like the world is against them. We need to win the right to play our way, that means a war in midfield. 0-0 draw written all over it.

Scouse Hibee
30-10-2018, 07:54 PM
First name on the team sheet for me

matty_f
30-10-2018, 07:58 PM
I'd have no hesitation in pitching Bartley in for this game. Guy is made for derbies.

McSwanky
30-10-2018, 07:59 PM
Not for me. Milligan has enough about him to do that job and let others play.

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Eaststandee
30-10-2018, 08:00 PM
100%. Remember Hertz don't play football on their tiney little pitch, they'll kick **** out of anything they see and hoof the ball at every opportunity.

lyonhibs
30-10-2018, 08:02 PM
Pre Milligan, I'd have said yes.

Now, if we're to win the football match by outplaying them, Milligan is plenty. If we've got a lead to defend with 15 more to go, he's a great option to have off the bench.

HibeeDaz6270
30-10-2018, 08:04 PM
Definately not

He has barely kicked a ball all season.

Hiber-nation
30-10-2018, 08:06 PM
Nah. We should play our normal game with as near to our normal team as we can and let them worry about us.

B.H.F.C
30-10-2018, 08:07 PM
I’m struggling on this one.

After Parkhead I was all for him and Milligan both playing. But I think we’ve been guilty of forgetting about the football at Tynecastle in recent games.

I think we have enough about us to battle without Marv in the team now so might be an idea to get a better football player in there.

staunchhibby
30-10-2018, 08:08 PM
Handy to have on bench if going gets bit rough

Smartie
30-10-2018, 08:14 PM
I’m struggling on this one.

After Parkhead I was all for him and Milligan both playing. But I think we’ve been guilty of forgetting about the football at Tynecastle in recent games.

I think we have enough about us to battle without Marv in the team now so might be an idea to get a better football player in there.

The last game at Tynecastle he didn't play and we lost.

The game before that they got their only goal after he went off.

Playing Bartley isn't reducing the game to a scrap - it is giving yourself the best possible chance of winning the battle so your other players can go out and play.

If Bartley does his job, wins his battles and dominates his area (as he generally does against them) then it is easier for Kamberi, Boyle, Mallan, Horgan etc to go and win the game.

Golden Bear
30-10-2018, 08:16 PM
Yes, he's the boss against the hertz.

HibeeMackenzie
30-10-2018, 08:16 PM
No

HibeeDaz6270
30-10-2018, 08:16 PM
The last game at Tynecastle he didn't play and we lost.

The game before that they got their only goal after he went off.

Playing Bartley isn't reducing the game to a scrap - it is giving yourself the best possible chance of winning the battle so your other players can go out and play.

If Bartley does his job, wins his battles and dominates his area (as he generally does against them) then it is easier for Kamberi, Boyle, Mallan, Horgan etc to go and win the game.

If Bartley is playing, we are sacrificing another player. We do not need Milligan and Bartley to play the same role.

its one or the other for me.

B.H.F.C
30-10-2018, 08:19 PM
The last game at Tynecastle he didn't play and we lost.

The game before that they got their only goal after he went off.

Playing Bartley isn't reducing the game to a scrap - it is giving yourself the best possible chance of winning the battle so your other players can go out and play.

If Bartley does his job, wins his battles and dominates his area (as he generally does against them) then it is easier for Kamberi, Boyle, Mallan, Horgan etc to go and win the game.

But we didn’t have a Milligan then. I’m not sure we need both.

EH54
30-10-2018, 08:19 PM
If Bartley is playing, we are sacrificing another player. We do not need Milligan and Bartley to play the same role.

its one or the other for me.

I don't see how playing Bartley is sacrificing anyone..Bartley is well worth his inclusion..he's done more for this club than hyndman, Horgan, Mallan, etc and has proven himself in these games. I don't think playing Bartley will stop us playing football have a bit more respect for the big guy, Deary me. And also you can have 2 ball winners, anchor men, holding midfielders whatever you want to call them. Many teams play with this. It doesn't make them defensive..Milligan can play aswell.

Baader
30-10-2018, 08:20 PM
Love Big Marv but he'll be well rusty. Milligan will do the job.

blackpoolhibs
30-10-2018, 08:21 PM
I dont think i have ever seen him not give a man of the match performance against these ****houses, i think i'd play him along with Milligan.

There are certain games where you first need to win the battle before earning the right to play, and this for me is the main one of those.

HibeeDaz6270
30-10-2018, 08:23 PM
I don't see how playing Bartley is sacrificing anyone..Bartley is well worth his inclusion..he's done more for this club than hyndman, Horgan, Mallan, etc and has proven himself in these games. I don't think playing Bartley will stop us playing football have a bit more respect for the big guy, Deary me.

Its quite clear Bartley is a very limited football player with the ball at his feet. If Milligan is in the team, the role and benefit of playing Bartley for me is a bit pointless and based on that we have far better players in the team who can play infront of Milligan. So for me, we would be sacrificing a better player to include Bartley in a role that is not required. If we did not have Milligan, then its a different story.

I do not think we need 2 players to play that role. Its nothing to do with not having respect for Marvin or disrespecting what he has done for the club in his time here.

HibbyAndy
30-10-2018, 08:24 PM
I'd start him , Revels in these games

Libby Hibby
30-10-2018, 08:24 PM
I don’t think playing Bartley and Milligan would work. He’s not played much this season so it’s a no for me but on the bench and bring him on to score the 4rth.

Benny Brazil
30-10-2018, 08:25 PM
Yep.

Marvin Bartley should be cryogenically frozen and produced 4 times a season to play in and dominate the Edinburgh derby (3 when the jambos fail to make the top six) for ever more.

Leaving out Marvin Bartley when he is fit and able to play in a derby is a fatal mistake.

Spot on - the man was born to play in these ganes

Robbo6-2
30-10-2018, 08:26 PM
Needs to start alongside Milligan imo.

Win the battle middle of park with those two and let Mallan Boyle Horgan and Kamberi do there thing going forward

EH54
30-10-2018, 08:26 PM
Its quite clear Bartley is a very limited football player with the ball at his feet. If Milligan is in the team, the role and benefit of playing Bartley for me is a bit pointless and based on that we have far better players in the team who can play infront of Milligan. So for me, we would be sacrificing a better player to include Bartley in a role that is not required. If we did not have Milligan, then its a different story.

I do not think we need 2 players to play that role. Its nothing to do with not having respect for Marvin or disrespecting what he has done for the club in his time here.

When have we ever seen a derby at tynecastle turning into a football match though? Not lately anyway. Last year we went with attacking players in barker, Allan etc and got well outmuscled. Even including Bartley we have full backs that push on, centre half's that step in, 2 wingers, a dead ball and long range specialist and Kamberi. That's more than enough for me, but agree to disagree aslong as we win.

Ozyhibby
30-10-2018, 08:29 PM
A no from me. Milligan has enough about him to deal with that Hearts midfield who are a bit lightweight.


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HibeeDaz6270
30-10-2018, 08:34 PM
When have we ever seen a derby at tynecastle turning into a football match though? Not lately anyway. Last year we went with attacking players in barker, Allan etc and got well outmuscled. Even including Bartley we have full backs that push on, centre half's that step in, 2 wingers, a dead ball and long range specialist and Kamberi. That's more than enough for me, but agree to disagree aslong as we win.

I think realistically the most likely player to drop out would probably be Slivka which is not really comparable in my opinion to playing Barker.

Its nothing against Big Marv, I just think the role he plays is a role that you have one player in the team to do not 2 and i think Milligan is ahead of him for that.

If Lennon chooses to go with him, then fair play if he sees a need for him to be in there. I just dont think its required regardless of how good he has been in previous Derbys.

We need to go there and concentrate on our own game. They are missing a lot of key players and will probably set up quite defensively themselves. 2 holding players, especially when they will likely only play one up top is not really required in my opinion

all about opinions.

Brightside
30-10-2018, 08:43 PM
A no from me. Milligan has enough about him to deal with that Hearts midfield who are a bit lightweight.


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Correct. 2 holding miss would be crazy and Bartley just isn’t match fit.

stoneyburn hibs
30-10-2018, 08:43 PM
I'll be surprised if he gets a start, maybe on as a sub if they're really mixing it up.

GGTTH07
30-10-2018, 08:46 PM
He’ll play with Viki and Mallan with Milligan in a back three.

Carheenlea
30-10-2018, 08:54 PM
A no from me. Milligan has enough about him to deal with that Hearts midfield who are a bit lightweight.


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Think I agree with this :agree:
Don’t think we need both, and to play both would be playing into their hands a little. Would rather have an extra player with some creativity and football to split them open.

neil7908
30-10-2018, 08:58 PM
No. I love Marv but he's hardly played and Milligan can cover the defensive midfield position.

We can't out kick them, we need to play football. Marv and Milligan is too defensive for my liking and I fear we'd struggle to move the ball forward.

Bring Marv on to shore things up when we're 2-0 up with 20 minutes to go.

Time For Heroes
30-10-2018, 09:02 PM
Born for these games, he should always start at tiny imo

Zazu62
30-10-2018, 09:12 PM
Would rather play him than Slivka

Aldo
30-10-2018, 09:17 PM
It’s a no from me and I don’t think Marv will start.

Milligan has to start for me and in midfield, not at the back.




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Forza Fred
30-10-2018, 09:32 PM
Nah. We should play our normal game with as near to our normal team as we can and let them worry about us.

:top marks

R'Albin
30-10-2018, 09:52 PM
I would go with Slivka. He's a bit tougher than Hyndman and while he isn't as creative, he's more consistent and good at retaining possession.

Winston Ingram
30-10-2018, 10:04 PM
Bartley should be first on the teamsheet in a derby

Stuart93
30-10-2018, 10:07 PM
Can’t believe people want Bartley chucked in. Barely played any first team football good chance he’d be rusty and we need players who’re ready to go from the start tomorrow

O'Rourke3
30-10-2018, 10:13 PM
Marvin Bartley - kryptonite to HoM. Should start, won't, mores the pity.

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heretoday
30-10-2018, 10:58 PM
Can’t believe people want Bartley chucked in. Barely played any first team football good chance he’d be rusty and we need players who’re ready to go from the start tomorrow

He'd get carded.

GreenArmyyy!
30-10-2018, 11:22 PM
Best performer in derbies over the past 4 years. Sensational every single time.

LaMotta
30-10-2018, 11:26 PM
I would go with Slivka. He's a bit tougher than Hyndman and while he isn't as creative, he's more consistent and good at retaining possession.

Slivka was brutal in his last appearance at Tynecastle in the cup game. If he plays he'll need to improve massively on that.

That game was lost after they kicked Bartley off the field.

Smartie
30-10-2018, 11:29 PM
Slivka was brutal in his last appearance at Tynecastle in the cup game. If he plays he'll need to improve massively on that.

That game was lost after they kicked Bartley off the field.

I thought he did ok when he went on as sub in the game at the end of the season?

He went on a couple of gliding runs late on that took us up the park a bit.

GreenArmyyy!
30-10-2018, 11:34 PM
Slivka was brutal in his last appearance at Tynecastle in the cup game. If he plays he'll need to improve massively on that.

That game was lost after they kicked Bartley off the field.

Not sure if I like Mallan and Slivka playing in the same midfield, I certainly don’t like Mallan, Slivka and Hyndman in the same starting line-up. The 3 of them all have the tendency to ghost in and out of games which has seen us lose the midfield battle a few times this season which we definitely aren’t used to these days.

If Mallan and Slivka do end up playing which I suspect they will, they have got to step up and add some bite to their game.

I would be going a 4-1-2-3 tomorrow.

Bogdan

Ambrose, Porteous, McGregor, Stevenson

Milligan

Mallan, Slivka

Boyle, Kamberi, Horgan

Attack minded, pin them back early doors.

LaMotta
30-10-2018, 11:38 PM
I thought he did ok when he went on as sub in the game at the end of the season?

He went on a couple of gliding runs late on that took us up the park a bit.

I think Slivka prob will play and Bartley won't. If so, its time for Slivka to really prove he is as good as many have stated.
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monktonharp
31-10-2018, 12:14 AM
Pre Milligan, I'd have said yes.

Now, if we're to win the football match by outplaying them, Milligan is plenty. If we've got a lead to defend with 15 more to go, he's a great option to have off the bench.
Milligan has not been to war(derby) so I say Smartie has it.

BILLYHIBS
31-10-2018, 12:28 AM
Bartley is a lot better on the ball in close situations than most give him credit for.
He is always up for the fight against Hearts.
He held his own and held us together against Molde away once he went off our goose was cooked.
It is looking like Bartley won’t start tomorrow and I must admit if I was him at his age I would be asking myself “What am I doing here?”
The career of a footballer is a short one and nothing beats actually playing he could probably walk into a lot of other teams here and down South.
The same goes for Scott Allan.
I would be surprised if the Bartman decides to stay at HIBS when his present contract expires.
If he starts tomorrow I would be delighted

monktonharp
31-10-2018, 12:37 AM
someone mentioned that big Marv cant control a ball, at his feet. I disagree. for the size o' the big man I think he does rather well. the problem is, he gets vertigo, whenever near the 18yd box and I cant recall him having a real shot on goal! I do think he is made for the game Tonight, but match practise might relegate him to the bench.I hope he gets a piece of the action though as I think he revels against them.

monktonharp
31-10-2018, 01:05 AM
Bartley is a lot better on the ball in close situations than most give him credit for.
He is always up for the fight against Hearts.
He held his own and held us together against Molde away once he went off our goose was cooked.
It is looking like Bartley won’t start tomorrow and I must admit if I was him at his age I would be asking myself “What am I doing here?”
The career of a footballer is a short one and nothing beats actually playing he could probably walk into a lot of other teams here and down South.
The same goes for Scott Allan.
I would be surprised if the Bartman decides to stay at HIBS when his present contract expires.
If he starts tomorrow I would be delightedexactly my point, about him able to control the ball. your point is also very relevant, re-his options come the end of contract. he wants to play, surely?

DetroitHibs
31-10-2018, 05:13 AM
I'd start Marv and let him put his presence on the game. Take him off after about 60 minutes and bring on an attacking midfielder to open them up.

PeeJay
31-10-2018, 05:45 AM
First team squad player, no reason not to play him as and when the occasion demands it - he has a proven record against them, it's their ground, a derby, there won't be much "football" - we need 100% fighters and players on that park: he knows what to do, how to do it when to do it and he does it without shirking at any time, I'd play him - think if Lennon chooses not to start out with him he will bring him on anyway once he realises his mistake in not having done so ...

RossScott1991
31-10-2018, 08:33 AM
Not for me, milligan is enough.

People tend to forget this is a football match. Yes win your tackles, but ball retention and being able to play under pressure is just as important. Marv has been brilliant in derbies, but we have Milligan now as the enforcer. Lets concentrate trying to damage them with our main qualities than focusing too much on how they set up.

hibbydog
31-10-2018, 08:48 AM
I think Bartley and Milligan would get in each others way. It’s too big a game to experiment with such a big change in tactics.

No problem doing this after 70 minutes when we’re a goal or two up.

But as for starting, it’s a no from me.

J-C
31-10-2018, 09:16 AM
Milligan is our natural DM, he can tackle, put the boot in where necessary and can play football, Bartley can put his foot in where it hurts and that's about it. We're not short of players who will fight for the cause but we need to play to our strengths and that's playing football properly.

PeeJay
31-10-2018, 09:27 AM
Milligan is our natural DM, he can tackle, put the boot in where necessary and can play football, Bartley can put his foot in where it hurts and that's about it. We're not short of players who will fight for the cause but we need to play to our strengths and that's playing football properly.

Not sure about that - he didn't do that in the Celtic game - the 1st goal he was too slow/indecisive to get in a tackle as was the case with their 3rd goal and Lennon was pretty miffed about it so he subbed him ...

The 90+2
31-10-2018, 09:30 AM
No. He won’t be required tonight. We play our own game, we win. Fed up changing tactics ****ing it off that lot.

Big_Franck
31-10-2018, 09:42 AM
Nah. We should play our normal game with as near to our normal team as we can and let them worry about us.

I think this attitude from our management teams has been our downfall when going to tiny tynie over the years. Games of football rarely break out at tiny and we need to adjust accordingly.

WeeRussell
31-10-2018, 09:45 AM
He runs this city.

Nevi_SOL
31-10-2018, 09:47 AM
100% if Marv was built for a certain type of match it’s this one. Never fails to impress in a derby

Bartley Milligan
Boyle Mallan Horgan
Kamberi

SirDavidsNapper
31-10-2018, 09:50 AM
We play our best team possible. I like Marv but from what i've seen so far Milligan is an upgrade. No place for sentiment it's all about Hibs winning. Great option to have on the bench though.

makaveli1875
31-10-2018, 09:59 AM
100% if Marv was built for a certain type of match it’s this one. Never fails to impress in a derby

Bartley Milligan
Boyle Mallan Horgan
Kamberi

Cant argue with that , no way were losing the midfield battle with those 5

Jamesie
31-10-2018, 10:05 AM
Not sure about that - he didn't do that in the Celtic game - the 1st goal he was too slow/indecisive to get in a tackle as was the case with their 3rd goal and Lennon was pretty miffed about it so he subbed him ...

He certainly was as per her post match comments and there was even a comment made at the AGM which made me think he might still be slightly miffed then.

ToffeeCabbage
31-10-2018, 10:16 AM
Not for me. If you'd said to me 6 months ago I would be saying that now then I wouldn't believe you but I trust Milligan to take the baton from Bartley in that role. Sadly I think seeing Marv in a Hibs shirt has become a rare occurrence and he'll undoubtedly move on in the summer at the latest.
I'm more concerned about who comes in for Gray and Hyndman if he's out. Efe probably shunted out to RB which is far from ideal (can't chuck Mavrias straight in to this plus I dont think we'll play 3 at the back after how that worked out first half v Celtic) with Porteous and McGregor playing CB and Slivka in for Hyndman. Massive game for Slivka imo, needs to show he can be an important player for us and dictate the play.


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Dancehibs
31-10-2018, 10:22 AM
Not sure about that - he didn't do that in the Celtic game - the 1st goal he was too slow/indecisive to get in a tackle as was the case with their 3rd goal and Lennon was pretty miffed about it so he subbed him ...
That was as Milligan’s first big test in Scottish fitba and IMO he failed. I’d be suprised if he’s experienced anything like the PBS in his career. I’m expecting him to be a leader tonight. Like Sauzee was against these tramps.

not for one second am I suggesting he’s in Sauzees league

NORTHERNHIBBY
31-10-2018, 10:31 AM
Has to be Milligan. He does the "Bartley " role and does it better. If both were to play, one of them would need to be out of position .

lyonhibs
31-10-2018, 10:35 AM
Milligan has not been to war(derby) so I say Smartie has it.

Neither had Bartley before his first derby and the calibre of their respective previous career (all we have to compare them with at this same "pre-first derby" stage of their Hibs careers) would indicate that Milligan will be fine.

We seem to built an away trip to the Pink Wongadome up to be some sort of unique Herculean event, or "war" if you like. It's not if we don't let it become one, or at least we shouldn't view it as such if we want to improve our record there.

HAZ2000
31-10-2018, 10:54 AM
If he doesnt start i cant see him staying next season

B.H.F.C
31-10-2018, 10:57 AM
If he doesnt start i cant see him staying next season

I can’t see him staying regardless. Don’t think he’ll be getting a new contract offer given how little we use him these days.

Smartie
31-10-2018, 11:00 AM
Marvin Bartley is an injury to Milligan away from playing every week.

We'll see a reasonable amount of him through that busy December spell.

lord bunberry
31-10-2018, 11:01 AM
Bartley should be starting, he owns hearts. In fact he should pick the team as well.

basehibby
31-10-2018, 11:05 AM
Not played much at all this season but always seems to have a good game against them. Him and Milligan could be key tomorrow-- though Slivka had a great game against Hamilton and played out of position against Celtic and him playong would allow us to play better football

I rate Bartley as a player. As well as being great at snuffing out opportunities for the opposition he is a neat and tidy player who can link up well and rarely concedes possession. For this reason I have been a bit perplexed as to why he has not featured more under Lennon.

That said, I don't think we need more than one sitting midfielder against the Yams and Milligan is the man in possession. So Bartley should have a place on the bench if fit but should not be in the starting eleven.

MWHIBBIES
31-10-2018, 11:15 AM
If he doesn't and we get beat this place will meltdown.

660
31-10-2018, 11:21 AM
Bartley won’t play.

cmcd
31-10-2018, 11:46 AM
If he doesn't and we get beat this place will meltdown.

THIS is a certainty

J-C
31-10-2018, 12:24 PM
Not sure about that - he didn't do that in the Celtic game - the 1st goal he was too slow/indecisive to get in a tackle as was the case with their 3rd goal and Lennon was pretty miffed about it so he subbed him ...


I think the set up of that midfield did Milligan no favours, he was dragged everywhere due to others not tracking their runners and having Slivka playing out wide, Lennon admitted he got the set up wrong in the 1st half. Milligan was subbed on the 72nd minute, so he couldn't have been all that bad, it was the change of shape that helped us in the 2nd half against Celtic and not the personnel, Milligan came off as he was knackered not because he was playing badly, Whittaker came on for him and not Bartley, maybe says more of Lennon's thoughts on Bartley not Milligan.

IGRIGI
31-10-2018, 12:28 PM
When was the last time a derby at Tynecastle was a football game and we played our own game?

Posters who think this is going to be anything other than a 90 minute battle and hoof are in for a shock.

danhibees1875
31-10-2018, 12:31 PM
Bartley should be starting, he owns hearts. In fact he should pick the team as well.

:tee hee:

worcesterhibby
31-10-2018, 12:31 PM
Yes, Yes and ...ermmmm yes

WeeRussell
31-10-2018, 12:49 PM
I realise that the majority of our fans think Milligan is the main man now, and I hope he turns out to be just that. I (who hasn’t seen every game he’s played admittedly) am still to see it personally.

I know what Bartley would give us tonight against that lot.

SirDavidsNapper
31-10-2018, 12:56 PM
Remember we used to debate whether Matt Thornhill or Jimmy Scott should play in the derby. How far we have come.

WeeRussell
31-10-2018, 12:57 PM
I think the set up of that midfield did Milligan no favours, he was dragged everywhere due to others not tracking their runners and having Slivka playing out wide, Lennon admitted he got the set up wrong in the 1st half. Milligan was subbed on the 72nd minute, so he couldn't have been all that bad, it was the change of shape that helped us in the 2nd half against Celtic and not the personnel, Milligan came off as he was knackered not because he was playing badly, Whittaker came on for him and not Bartley, maybe says more of Lennon's thoughts on Bartley not Milligan.

he had a nightmare for the Forrest skinning and setting up a goal, at the very least. He may very well be a good player but he had a poor game against Celtic regardless of tactics.

Keith_M
31-10-2018, 01:04 PM
This is a very different scenario to the likes of the Hamilton game. The same players that excelled in that match will be given no time to do the same against Hearts, and will get a few bruises (or a neutering) for their trouble.

PeeJay
31-10-2018, 01:17 PM
I think the set up of that midfield did Milligan no favours, he was dragged everywhere due to others not tracking their runners and having Slivka playing out wide, Lennon admitted he got the set up wrong in the 1st half. Milligan was subbed on the 72nd minute, so he couldn't have been all that bad, it was the change of shape that helped us in the 2nd half against Celtic and not the personnel, Milligan came off as he was knackered not because he was playing badly, Whittaker came on for him and not Bartley, maybe says more of Lennon's thoughts on Bartley not Milligan.

Not convinced that the two instances I referred too had much to do with tactical setup or Lennon's wrong reading of the game - Lennon's criticism of Milligan's failure to prevent the 3rd goal, in particular, was as scathing as can be. If Milligan gets the call over Bartley this evening just hope he plays well and doesn't make similar mistakes ... glad I'm not the manager TBH ...

Smartie
31-10-2018, 02:04 PM
I think the set up of that midfield did Milligan no favours, he was dragged everywhere due to others not tracking their runners and having Slivka playing out wide, Lennon admitted he got the set up wrong in the 1st half. Milligan was subbed on the 72nd minute, so he couldn't have been all that bad, it was the change of shape that helped us in the 2nd half against Celtic and not the personnel, Milligan came off as he was knackered not because he was playing badly, Whittaker came on for him and not Bartley, maybe says more of Lennon's thoughts on Bartley not Milligan.

The goal that we lost when Forrest roasted Milligam meant we were chasing the game.

Whittaker is a better option than Bartley under those circumstances.

If we'd been defending a lead or trying to nick a point, Bartley would undoubtedly have been the move.

I don't think that says anything about Lennon's opinion of the players.

SirDavidsNapper
31-10-2018, 02:44 PM
Winning 2-0 i'd be inclined to put Marv on to help close the game out.

BILLYHIBS
31-10-2018, 03:09 PM
Forrest made Mark Milligan look every day of his thirty three years I am sure that having had the benefit of the full post match hairdryer treatment from Lenny he will not make the same mistake again
John Yogi Hughes had the correct approach in the Millennium Derby he made sure that every man knew what was expected of him and that nothing but victory would be acceptable

J-C
31-10-2018, 03:40 PM
he had a nightmare for the Forrest skinning and setting up a goal, at the very least. He may very well be a good player but he had a poor game against Celtic regardless of tactics.

I think it's fair to say there were 10 very poor players in the 1st half of that game, he was a lot better in the 2nd half as were most of the other after the break.

heretoday
31-10-2018, 03:41 PM
He should play as long as he doesn't go about grabbing privates.

BILLYHIBS
31-10-2018, 04:18 PM
I think it's fair to say there were 10 very poor players in the 1st half of that game, he was a lot better in the 2nd half as were most of the other after the break.

Lenny apologised after the game it was his fault the set up was wrong by the time it took him to correct it we were 2-0 down. :confused:

hfc rd
31-10-2018, 04:26 PM
Won’t be surprised if he starts and won’t be disappointed either. Bartley is made for these sort of games.

gorgie greens
31-10-2018, 06:03 PM
He should play as long as he doesn't go about grabbing privates.

Should play as long as he does grab Hearts players privates, and if he wants to anal probe them with his fingers while on the deck that's ok as well.
Can't see anything wrong in Marv doing either of these when playing the yams

Ozyhibby
31-10-2018, 06:38 PM
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Allant1981
31-10-2018, 06:39 PM
starts and is captain!

Peevemor
31-10-2018, 06:43 PM
starts and is captain!Excellent.

The Harp Awakes
31-10-2018, 06:55 PM
starts and is captain!

Delighted and fully deserved. Marv has been a great player and servant to Hibs and it would be brilliant if he could lead us to our first victory at Tiny for a long time:flag:

Ozyhibby
31-10-2018, 06:58 PM
I’m not keen on that line up. Hope I’m wrong.


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The Harp Awakes
31-10-2018, 07:02 PM
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Looks like a 451 or possibly a 442 depending how Boyle sets up.

SirDavidsNapper
31-10-2018, 07:02 PM
Marv will be on cloud 9 with that. Leading out Hibs in a derby at their place. Great honour and well deserved. Get in to them Hibs!

BILLYHIBS
31-10-2018, 07:04 PM
Marv will be on cloud 9 with that. Leading out Hibs in a derby at their place. Great honour and well deserved. Get in to them Hibs!

Our campaign worked Sally it is now over to the Big Man....please don’t **** it up! :thumbsup:

Viva_Palmeiras
31-10-2018, 07:16 PM
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Smartie
31-10-2018, 07:26 PM
Should Bartley play?

Aye, and he should be the f*****g captain!

Love it.

Viva_Palmeiras
31-10-2018, 07:41 PM
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J-C
31-10-2018, 07:46 PM
Lennon said it'll be a physical game, hence Bartley and Milligan, fair do's we know what to expect from his lot.

WeeRussell
31-10-2018, 08:19 PM
I think it's fair to say there were 10 very poor players in the 1st half of that game, he was a lot better in the 2nd half as were most of the other after the break.

I think it’s fair to say if that was Bartley that put that performance in, whatever half, a lot of people on this forum wouldn’t want him playing again, never mind tonight..

Bostonhibby
31-10-2018, 08:38 PM
I love the guy but stayed of this thread as I could see why he might miss out, watching that half it's a case of cometh the hour cometh the man, he's been immense and we've got control of it. Over to Neil to win us the second half

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Lancs Harp
31-10-2018, 10:05 PM
"Should Bartley play?"

Well Im glad he did anyway.