This'll separate the deer from the goats...

[Sergio sledge]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-45967845

What are people's thoughts on this? Is Mike Russell correct that "The vast majority of people would just not regard this as something that should be happening in their country."

Or am I totally wrong in thinking that this is no different than the many people who go hunting deer, or pheasants, or grouse, or fishing etc. Hunting/fishing is big business in this country, how can someone like the Scottish Greens MSP Mark Ruskell ask the government to "make it known that bloodsport participants are unwelcome to visit Scotland for the barbaric practice".

Seems to me that Mike Russells problem isn't hunting, but the fact someone has posted a picture of it on social media. What does he expect the government to do about that?

[Moulin Yarns]

She is pictured with red deer stag, goat and a ram. First 2 were shot legally but the ram must belong to someone.

[Mon Dieu4]

If you are hunting and will eat the animal then I have no issue with it, if it's not for that or humane culling due to environmental impacts then you are a ****ing ******** of the highest order to kill any animal for "sport"

[overdrive]

She is pictured with red deer stag, goat and a ram. First 2 were shot legally but the ram must belong to someone.

The article I read said it was a wild goat, so presumably not.

[Hibbyradge]

I don't understand why anyone would hunt down an animal to shoot it to death then pose grinning with it at their side.

Legal or not, I feel like shooting the person every time.

Fortunately for them, and me, as I don't own a gun, have never fired one, and have no intentions of ever doing so, that will always just remain an angry fantasy.

[HappyAsHellas]

I used to go out shooting quite a lot and really enjoyed it. We were allowed on an estate as vermin control - we could only shoot pigeon, rabbit foxes etc, in other words none of the money stuff. If you kill it and eat it then I don't see any problem although I'd draw the line at shooting goats!

[overdrive]

I used to go out shooting quite a lot and really enjoyed it. We were allowed on an estate as vermin control - we could only shoot pigeon, rabbit foxes etc, in other words none of the money stuff. If you kill it and eat it then I don't see any problem although I'd draw the line at shooting goats!

What if you made a nice goat curry with it?

[Smartie]

Trophy hunting is deplorable and anyone who sees fit to pose with something they've shot should be fair game to be shot at themselves from then on.

I'm quite comfortable with the idea of things like animal culls etc for a greater good.

I hate this stuff.

[beensaidbefore]

Fairly reasoned argument put forward tonight on the news suggesting this woman is basically a bit of a twat and not the kind of person that is usually shooting scottish wildlife.

The argument against hunting was £64M worth of benefit through wildlife tourism vs £120M or so for hunting/game tourism.

The island in question apparently has goats that don't belong there and are already culled. The counter argument was we don't need trophy hunter's coming here to shoot our wildlife.

Whilst I have no interest whatsoever in shooting animals, if people are willing to pay for the privilege and it is controlled, ie there are quotas, records, and the welfare of the animals is guaranteed I can see how this can generate income and save us the job of doing it then I agree with it in principle. This already happens with deer and doesn't seem to get the same headlines, not forgetting the red stag is one of our national emblems.

[Moulin Yarns]

The article I read said it was a wild goat, so presumably not.

You can tell from my avatar I know what a sheep looks like :wink:

https://twitter.com/LSwitlyk/status/1052216609757175808/photo/1
(https://twitter.com/LSwitlyk/status/1052216609757175808/photo/1)

[makaveli1875]

Dont see the problem of hunting animals that are abundant to eat them but the folk that trophy hunt lions , gorillas , elephants and other endangered animals need shot themselves

[lyonhibs]

It's one thing to go hunting on a managed estate, with that estate's permission, shoot a deer or pheasant, take it back to the estate and make a bloody tasty meal out of it.

But to hunt wild animals for no other motivation than the "joy" of killing a defenceless animal with a gun and then taking an "Instagram" selfie with the corpse takes a special breed of ****.

[Pretty Boy]

The feral goats on Islay are wonderful to sit and watch. There's a great enjoyment to be had just watching these animals going about their business oblivious to you being there.

I understand they have to be managed as they have no natural predator on the island but the idea of somebody paying money to shoot one for fun is alien to me. I don't get why there's any thrill in that and I don't get how someone can stand holding an animal they have just killed for no real reason with a daft grin on their face and not feel even slightly bad about it.

I'm not a vegetarian, I realise animals die to provide food and I understand and accept some land management needs to be carried out as well. Trophy hunting sicken me though.

[JeMeSouviens]

I don't understand why anyone would hunt down an animal to shoot it to death then pose grinning with it at their side.

Legal or not, I feel like shooting the person every time.

Fortunately for them, and me, as I don't own a gun, have never fired one, and have no intentions of ever doing so, that will always just remain an angry fantasy.

Yep, I think this is the thing that gets to folk. Trophy hunters seem like a right bunch of ********s.

[s.a.m]

Yep, I think this is the thing that gets to folk. Trophy hunters seem like a right bunch of ********s.

That's probably about right. And it's a special class of ****** who thinks they're a bit of a hero for taking down a ruminant with a rifle.

[speedy_gonzales]

What if you made a nice goat curry with it?

Curry goat surely?

[overdrive]

You can tell from my avatar I know what a sheep looks like :wink:

https://twitter.com/LSwitlyk/status/1052216609757175808/photo/1
(https://twitter.com/LSwitlyk/status/1052216609757175808/photo/1)

Ooops

[Curried]

You can tell from my avatar I know what a sheep looks like :wink:

https://twitter.com/LSwitlyk/status/1052216609757175808/photo/1
(https://twitter.com/LSwitlyk/status/1052216609757175808/photo/1)


Moulin Yams......I cant remember too many when I grew up in the village:-)

[hibs#1]

Trophy hunting is deplorable and anyone who sees fit to pose with something they've shot should be fair game to be shot at themselves from then on.

I'm quite comfortable with the idea of things like animal culls etc for a greater good.

I hate this stuff.


What about a cull of humans for the greater good?

[Hibbyradge]

What about a cull of humans for the greater good?

I think a number of people have tried that before, but I don't want to fall foul of Godwin's Law.

[hibs#1]

I think a number of people have tried that before, but I don't want to fall foul of Godwin's Law.

That's what I get for being a smart arse, a reply that I need to Google 🤬

[Hibbyradge]

That's what I get for being a smart arse, a reply that I need to Google 🤬

I was hoping that would be the case.
:greengrin

[NAE NOOKIE]

I'm never going to be a vegetarian, but I firmly believe in respecting the animals I eat and it does my nut when I hear of incidents of mistreatment.

I also understand that animal management like culling deer and the like is a necessary evil and I'm even prepared to grudgingly accept hunting for sport so long as the animals being hunted are killed quickly, as humanely as possible, and can be eaten. But personally, in all honestly I just cant get my head around killing stuff for pleasure no matter how edible it is, what possible enjoyment can there be in taking something's life?

In ascending order of odiousness:

Grouse shooting … where's the sport? you can walk up to the thick sods and hit them with a stick as anybody who drives in the countryside will tell you :greengrin

Deer stalking ….. OK culling is probably required from time to time, but what sort of a prick do you have to be to think shooting such magnificent creatures is a way to have 'fun'? …. it should be left to gamekeepers.

Fox hunting …. Nobody put it better than Oscar Wilde .. "the unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable" ….. these people should be publicly flogged.

Big game hunting …. Top of the **** of the earth tree, the worst sort of people and I don't give a rats arse if it helps the economy of some African countries, there has to be a better way. What a way for an Elephant or Lion to end its life, shot by some poxy obese American plastic surgeon from the back of a bloody Land Rover.

Apart from that I don't really have an opinion :greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

I'm never going to be a vegetarian, but I firmly believe in respecting the animals I eat and it does my nut when I hear of incidents of mistreatment.

I also understand that animal management like culling deer and the like is a necessary evil and I'm even prepared to grudgingly accept hunting for sport so long as the animals being hunted are killed quickly, as humanely as possible, and can be eaten. But personally, in all honestly I just cant get my head around killing stuff for pleasure no matter how edible it is, what possible enjoyment can there be in taking something's life?

In ascending order of odiousness:

Grouse shooting … where's the sport? you can walk up to the thick sods and hit them with a stick as anybody who drives in the countryside will tell you :greengrin You're thinking of Pheasants, grouse are found on the high moors

Deer stalking ….. OK culling is probably required from time to time, but what sort of a prick do you have to be to think shooting such magnificent creatures is a way to have 'fun'? …. it should be left to gamekeepers.

Fox hunting …. Nobody put it better than Oscar Wilde .. "the unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable" ….. these people should be publicly flogged.

Big game hunting …. Top of the **** of the earth tree, the worst sort of people and I don't give a rats arse if it helps the economy of some African countries, there has to be a better way. What a way for an Elephant or Lion to end its life, shot by some poxy obese American plastic surgeon from the back of a bloody Land Rover.

Apart from that I don't really have an opinion :greengrin


On the subject of mistreating animals, anyone that wears merino from Australia should know about the practice of 'mulesing'

[hibs#1]

I was hoping that would be the case.
:greengrin

Well played sir.

[Bristolhibby]

It's one thing to go hunting on a managed estate, with that estate's permission, shoot a deer or pheasant, take it back to the estate and make a bloody tasty meal out of it.

But to hunt wild animals for no other motivation than the "joy" of killing a defenceless animal with a gun and then taking an "Instagram" selfie with the corpse takes a special breed of ****.

Aye, that can ****** right off.

Poor goat.

J

[IGRIGI]

I don't see what's impressive about shooting a defenceless animal from 300 yards away.

Survive a Battle Royale / Hunger Games scenario and then pose all you want.

[cabbageandribs1875]

taken from twitter

Following several complaints of wild goat 'trophy' hunting on islay in september, police scotland can now confirm that a 33 year old woman and a 41 year old man from the USA have been reported to the Procurator Fiscal for firearms offences.


hope the judge takes pot-shots at them

[Killiehibbie]

I think a number of people have tried that before, but I don't want to fall foul of Godwin's Law.
Still happens in places with Rio the first one that springs to mind.

[Fife-Hibee]

Not sure why people feel the need to gun down animals for their meat anyway. It's not like they can't just go and buy it. They clearly must get some sense of enjoyment out of killing.

[DH1875]

taken from twitterFollowing several complaints of wild goat 'trophy' hunting on islay in september, police scotland can now confirm that a 33 year old woman and a 41 year old man from the USA have been reported to the Procurator Fiscal for firearms offences.hope the judge takes pot-shots at themGiving that their back in America, I doubt they'll give a flying duck what the judge has to say.

[Future17]

Not sure why people feel the need to gun down animals for their meat anyway. It's not like they can't just go and buy it. They clearly must get some sense of enjoyment out of killing.

I'm not sure anyone in the "first world" claims they've been hunting because they're hungry.

[CropleyWasGod]

Giving that their back in America, I doubt they'll give a flying duck what the judge has to say.If there's an arrest warrant issued, it'll stop them coming back to the UK

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Giving that their back in America, I doubt they'll give a flying duck what the judge has to say.



i'd like to know why on earth it took the polis so long to report them to the PF

[Smartie]

Giving that their back in America, I doubt they'll give a flying duck what the judge has to say.

If it makes the dentists of America think twice about coming over here for their holidays to shoot defenceless animals before getting their picture taken with the remains of the poor beast, then it will have served a purpose.

[Bristolhibby]

Do we not have an extradition treaty with America?

We certainly seem to extradite U.K. Citizens over to there at the drop of a hat.

J