Journalist missing from Saudi Consulate

[Navids Numpties]

What do you guys make of the journalist who went into the Saudi consulate in Turkey and has just not came out? He’s been missing for over 2 weeks. IMO he’s been murdered he was also a critic of the Saudi government.

[Bristolhibby]

Killed, chopped up and disposed of.

Saudi will never admit it and we (everyone else) will do nothing about it as we all have multi billion £ contracts with Saudi.

Move along.

J

[Pretty Boy]

I'm suprised no one has told you it's a conspiracy to deflect attention from Brexit yet.

Maybe there isn't the same perverse residual loyalty to socially conservative Saudi Arabia as there is to socially conservative Russia though.

[Future17]

Killed, chopped up and disposed of.

Saudi will never admit it and we (everyone else) will do nothing about it as we all have multi billion £ contracts with Saudi.

Move along.

J

BBC reporting that "sources" expect Saudi Arabia to admit he died in the embassy as a result of an "interrogation gone wrong".

[Bristolhibby]

BBC reporting that "sources" expect Saudi Arabia to admit he died in the embassy as a result of an "interrogation gone wrong".

“Interrogation gone wrong”, AKA “tortured to death, chopped up and disposed of”.

J

[beensaidbefore]

What do you guys make of the journalist who went into the Saudi consulate in Turkey and has just not came out? He’s been missing for over 2 weeks. IMO he’s been murdered he was also a critic of the Saudi government.

It's crazy. The news last night showed cleaners turning up before the Turkish investigators. Not suspicious at all!!

As has been said. Money talks so I don't imagine we will ever really know.

Raises the question again though, why do we have anything to do with these barbaric people/regime.

[Jack]

It's crazy. The news last night showed cleaners turning up before the Turkish investigators. Not suspicious at all!!

As has been said. Money talks so I don't imagine we will ever really know.

Raises the question again though, why do we have anything to do with these barbaric people/regime.

They control the price of oil.

[Bristolhibby]

It's crazy. The news last night showed cleaners turning up before the Turkish investigators. Not suspicious at all!!

As has been said. Money talks so I don't imagine we will ever really know.

Raises the question again though, why do we have anything to do with these barbaric people/regime.

£ and oil.

J

[Sir David Gray]

I fail to see the difference between this and the Skripal case, apart from the fact that Saudi Arabia appears to have succeeded in their plot.

If we are being consistent, if we are able to prove that Saudi Arabia has been responsible for this murder then we should be treating them like we've been treating Russia recently.

We all know that won't happen though due to the importance of Saudi Arabia in regards to jobs and oil.

Donald Trump has practically admitted already that he will not be severing all ties with them because it will impact on US jobs so at least you have to respect his honesty but it's very disappointing that a country can practically get away with such actions just because they have money and oil.

I've said in the past that the only thing which separates Saudi Arabia from Islamic State is UN recognition.

They should be punished severely if this is proven that the Saudi government had anything to do with his killing.

[twiceinathens]

All rather ironic given the Turkish government's attitude to freedom of the press

[Fife-Hibee]

He took around 7 minutes to die as he was chopped up into pieces....... alive.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/exclusive-khashoggi-829291552

[Hibs Class]

I fail to see the difference between this and the Skripal case, apart from the fact that Saudi Arabia appears to have succeeded in their plot.

If we are being consistent, if we are able to prove that Saudi Arabia has been responsible for this murder then we should be treating them like we've been treating Russia recently.

We all know that won't happen though due to the importance of Saudi Arabia in regards to jobs and oil.

Donald Trump has practically admitted already that he will not be severing all ties with them because it will impact on US jobs so at least you have to respect his honesty but it's very disappointing that a country can practically get away with such actions just because they have money and oil.

I've said in the past that the only thing which separates Saudi Arabia from Islamic State is UN recognition.

They should be punished severely if this is proven that the Saudi government had anything to do with his killing.

Respecting Trump's honesty is on a par with admiring Hitler because his trains ran on time. Think I'll pass.

[Sir David Gray]

Respecting Trump's honesty is on a par with admiring Hitler because his trains ran on time. Think I'll pass.

Please don't get me wrong I disagree with his view on the situation. I think it's a real shame that there's double standards just because Saudi Arabia has money and lots of oil to sell and just happens to be an ally of the West. Russia on the other hand has, quite rightly, been treated as a pariah state over the past 6 months over the novichok poisoning, simply because they are not considered to be an ally.

If that's the position of the Western governments then fine but at least be honest about it so I do give some credit to Donald Trump for that. All we have heard so far from the British government and politicians from other Western countries is a lot of threats and fake outrage and talk about how Saudi Arabia is going to face severe sanctions if they are found to be responsible. When push comes to shove though, nothing will actually be done about it and it will eventually all be swept under the carpet and we'll be told that there's no evidence linking the Crown Prince of the House of Saud to the disappearance/murder of Jamal Khashoggi.

The Saudi Arabian government really should not be an ally of any respectable government that even remotely cares about basic human rights such as the freedom of expression. It is one of the most repressive regimes in the world and as we have seen over the last few weeks, its leaders do not seem to think twice about using barbaric methods to silence any dissenting voices.

[Hibrandenburg]

I think we now have grounds to invade.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

I fail to see the difference between this and the Skripal case, apart from the fact that Saudi Arabia appears to have succeeded in their plot.

If we are being consistent, if we are able to prove that Saudi Arabia has been responsible for this murder then we should be treating them like we've been treating Russia recently.

We all know that won't happen though due to the importance of Saudi Arabia in regards to jobs and oil.

Donald Trump has practically admitted already that he will not be severing all ties with them because it will impact on US jobs so at least you have to respect his honesty but it's very disappointing that a country can practically get away with such actions just because they have money and oil.

I've said in the past that the only thing which separates Saudi Arabia from Islamic State is UN recognition.

They should be punished severely if this is proven that the Saudi government had anything to do with his killing.
The Russian attack was in the UK, against UK residents and resulted in harm and death to UK citizens. Can you really not see the difference with a saudi dissident killed in turkey?

There was a good article in sunday times this week about this, and apparently 45 journos habe been killed this year in various places, and it barely raises a mention.

The saudis are backward ****s in my opinion, but given theu control one of the worlds most important resources and are friendly to us, they arr 'our' backward ****s, to steal a phrase.

[Sir David Gray]

The Russian attack was in the UK, against UK residents and resulted in harm and death to UK citizens. Can you really not see the difference with a saudi dissident killed in turkey?

There was a good article in sunday times this week about this, and apparently 45 journos habe been killed this year in various places, and it barely raises a mention.

The saudis are backward ****s in my opinion, but given theu control one of the worlds most important resources and are friendly to us, they arr 'our' backward ****s, to steal a phrase.

I can see a difference as far as the UK's concerned however it's not just the UK that seems to be treating the two incidents differently. There have been crisis talks at the UN over the novichok poisoning and every ally of the UK is opposing Russia just now, quite rightly in my opinion.

However those same nations are paying nothing more than lip service to the situation with Saudi Arabia and the only reason for that is because they have something we need which is business deals and oil.

All I'm saying is the politicians should be honest about their motives and I think people would respect them a bit more. Does anyone really think that Saudi Arabia will face any serious consequences over this, even if it was proven beyond all doubt that they were responsible for Khashoggi's murder?

[johnbc70]

I can see a difference as far as the UK's concerned however it's not just the UK that seems to be treating the two incidents differently. There have been crisis talks at the UN over the novichok poisoning and every ally of the UK is opposing Russia just now, quite rightly in my opinion.

However those same nations are paying nothing more than lip service to the situation with Saudi Arabia and the only reason for that is because they have something we need which is business deals and oil.

All I'm saying is the politicians should be honest about their motives and I think people would respect them a bit more. Does anyone really think that Saudi Arabia will face any serious consequences over this, even if it was proven beyond all doubt that they were responsible for Khashoggi's murder?

You make valid points. We criticise politicians when they lie or waffle, yet one comes out and basically says if it was Saudi Arabia then we probably won't do anything.

I think people forget that 15 out of the 19 highjackers on 9/11 were Saudis. What action was taken against the country?

[JimBHibees]

You make valid points. We criticise politicians when they lie or waffle, yet one comes out and basically says if it was Saudi Arabia then we probably won't do anything.

I think people forget that 15 out of the 19 highjackers on 9/11 were Saudis. What action was taken against the country?

No no it was Iraq that carried out and planned 9/11 wasn't it. :rolleyes:

[lyonhibs]

No no it was Iraq that carried out and planned 9/11 wasn't it. :rolleyes:

No. It was Opus Dei and George Bush. Or something. :worms:

It's fairly obvious he went into that embassy and never left again. And I don't mean he's still in the Penthouse Suite enjoying some Halal room service.

[Fife-Hibee]

The Russian attack was in the UK, against UK residents and resulted in harm and death to UK citizens. Can you really not see the difference with a saudi dissident killed in turkey?

There was a good article in sunday times this week about this, and apparently 45 journos habe been killed this year in various places, and it barely raises a mention.

The saudis are backward ****s in my opinion, but given theu control one of the worlds most important resources and are friendly to us, they arr 'our' backward ****s, to steal a phrase.

The difference is, there's glaring evidence coming out that proves the Saudi states involvement in the murder of the journalist. There is zero evidence linking the Russian state to the UK attacks. We're just told to believe that they were involved.

[Fife-Hibee]

No no it was Iraq that carried out and planned 9/11 wasn't it. :rolleyes:

Nope, it was Afghanistan. The documents used to justify the invasion of Afghanistan said so..... err, without actually providing any evidence of Afghanistans involvement...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Moz8hs2lJik

[johnbc70]

There is zero evidence linking the Russian state to the UK attacks. We're just told to believe that they were involved.

Is that serious?

[JeMeSouviens]

Is that serious?

In a rare moment of unanimity, I was about to ask exactly the same.

Seriously?

[CropleyWasGod]

Is that serious?


In a rare moment of unanimity, I was about to ask exactly the same.

Seriously?

Just shining a light on this rare green-blue alliance. :greengrin:greengrin

[Betty Boop]

The difference is, there's glaring evidence coming out that proves the Saudi states involvement in the murder of the journalist. There is zero evidence linking the Russian state to the UK attacks. We're just told to believe that they were involved.
Hear hear!!

[Pretty Boy]

Apart from the 2 senior Russian military operatives travelling to the UK under aliases and visiting Salisbury for only a few hours to satisfy their desire for ecclesiastical architecture then I agree there's nothing linking Russia to the attacks.

[CropleyWasGod]

The difference is, there's glaring evidence coming out that proves the Saudi states involvement in the murder of the journalist. There is zero evidence linking the Russian state to the UK attacks. We're just told to believe that they were involved.

Has he been killed?

[Fife-Hibee]

Has he been killed?

There is a 7 minute recording of him being tortured to death picked up by Turkish investigators.

[Fife-Hibee]

Apart from the 2 senior Russian military operatives travelling to the UK under aliases and visiting Salisbury for only a few hours to satisfy their desire for ecclesiastical architecture then I agree there's nothing linking Russia to the attacks.

Who are these 2 senior Russian military operatives? We seen pictures of 2 people at an airport. That's apparently the "evidence" that the Russian State was involved. :rolleyes:

[johnbc70]

Who are these 2 senior Russian military operatives? We seen pictures of 2 people at an airport. That's apparently the "evidence" that the Russian State was involved. :rolleyes:

So who do you think did it, if it was not the Russians?

[CropleyWasGod]

There is a 7 minute recording of him being tortured to death picked up by Turkish investigators.

But no proof?

Witnesses? :greengrin

Can one tell from a sound recording whether someone has been killed?

[Pretty Boy]

Who are these 2 senior Russian military operatives? We seen pictures of 2 people at an airport. That's apparently the "evidence" that the Russian State was involved. :rolleyes:

Their names, rank, aliases and a host of other information is pretty widely available across a whole range of traditional and new media.

I'm sure you know that though.

[JeMeSouviens]

Who are these 2 senior Russian military operatives? We seen pictures of 2 people at an airport. That's apparently the "evidence" that the Russian State was involved. :rolleyes:

https://www.bellingcat.com/tag/skripal/

[Fife-Hibee]

So who do you think did it, if it was not the Russians?

I dont claim to know who was responsible. The sheer lack of evidence being provided on the matter makes that impossible. All I know is that we're told that the Russian State was involved. Without any actual evidence to suggest that they were. Just pictures of 2 people who we are being told (without evidence) are agents of the Russian State.

It's quite incredible what people accept as evidence these days.

[CropleyWasGod]

I dont claim to know who was responsible. The sheer lack of evidence being provided on the matter makes that impossible. All I know is that we're told that the Russian State was involved. Without any actual evidence to suggest that they were. Just pictures of 2 people who we are being told (without evidence) are agents of the Russian State.

It's quite incredible what people accept as evidence these days.

..like an alleged sound recording? :greengrin

[johnbc70]

I dont claim to know who was responsible. The sheer lack of evidence being provided on the matter makes that impossible. All I know is that we're told that the Russian State was involved. Without any actual evidence to suggest that they were. Just pictures of 2 people who we are being told (without evidence) are agents of the Russian State.

It's quite incredible what people accept as evidence these days.

So have you heard the sound recording and have evidence that confirms it was the journalist? Why are you so willing to believe that?

[Fife-Hibee]

https://www.bellingcat.com/tag/skripal/

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/09/boshirov-is-probably-not-chepiga-but-he-is-also-not-boshirov/

[ballengeich]

https://rsf.org/en/ranking#

A ranking of press freedom in the world. While the UK's position is poor by the standards of European democracy the Arab countries are consistently among the worst rated, with Tunisia in 97th position being the least repressed. There are some brave people in journalism there.

[johnbc70]

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/09/boshirov-is-probably-not-chepiga-but-he-is-also-not-boshirov/

Craig Murray. Well your pulling out aces now, if only you had quoted him earlier I could have saved myself the embarrassment of questioning it. But if Craig says it's true, then it must be.

[IGRIGI]

Craig Murray. Well your pulling out aces now, if only you had quoted him earlier I could have saved myself the embarrassment of questioning it. But if Craig says it's true, then it must be.

Translation "Craig Murray supports independence so I have to dislike him"

[johnbc70]

Translation "Craig Murray supports independence so I have to dislike him"

No, do you believe him in this case?

[CropleyWasGod]

Translation "Craig Murray supports independence so I have to dislike him"House [emoji849]

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[One Day Soon]

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/09/boshirov-is-probably-not-chepiga-but-he-is-also-not-boshirov/

Craig Murray. :faf:

In other news the Royal Family are really lizards...

[One Day Soon]

Just shining a light on this rare green-blue alliance. :greengrin:greengrin

I don't know what the colour of the 'they're currently all horses *****' political perspective is but you can add me into that alliance.

[CropleyWasGod]

I don't know what the colour of the 'they're currently all horses *****' political perspective is but you can add me into that alliance.My eyes. My eyes!!!

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[Fife-Hibee]

*Sweep Sweep*

[silverhibee]

What happened to the body.

[DH1875]

Whathappenedtothebody.

Is there not video of a van entering and then leaving the embassy around about the same time he went missing? Probably in there.

What I don't get is why he thought it would be a good idea to turn up on his own at the embassy in the first place.

[Hibs Class]

Is there not video of a van entering and then leaving the embassy around about the same time he went missing? Probably in there.

What I don't get is why he thought it would be a good idea to turn up on his own at the embassy in the first place.

Think he needed documents to enable him to get married, might not have thought it was a good idea but may have assumed that it was safe in that the Saudi regime would not stoop to the depths of murder. Sadly for him he was wrong.

[RyeSloan]

Think he needed documents to enable him to get married, might not have thought it was a good idea but may have assumed that it was safe in that the Saudi regime would not stoop to the depths of murder. Sadly for him he was wrong.

Agreed. A move that even he wouldn’t have expected.

Amazingly ham fisted stuff from the Saudi’s, made all the more intriguing with the Turkish claims and he mysterious alleged recordings.

[DH1875]

He was in exile and knew they had it in for him. He defo wasn't expecting murder but still find it strange he turned up on his own.

[Sir David Gray]

He was in exile and knew they had it in for him. He defo wasn't expecting murder but still find it strange he turned up on his own.

I heard not long after he had disappeared that you have to go in on your own to the embassy and aren't allowed company.

[JeMeSouviens]

He was in exile and knew they had it in for him. He defo wasn't expecting murder but still find it strange he turned up on his own.

I think he turned up with his partner who was left waiting for him outside.