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Hibbyradge
12-10-2018, 05:09 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-45833293
What do people think about this idea?
I'd have loved to have bee in the same room as Amy Winehouse when she was singing, and although it's a bit strange, the prospect of her appearing onstage posthumously still has it's attractions.
I'd be interested to hear the views of my esteemed Holy Ground inhabitants.
Moulin Yarns
12-10-2018, 05:22 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-45833293
What do people think about this idea?
I'd have loved to have bee in the same room as Amy Winehouse when she was singing, and although it's a bit strange, the prospect of her appearing onstage posthumously still has it's attractions.
I'd be interested to hear the views of my esteemed Holy Ground inhabitants.
I was lucky enough to have seen her at T in the Park at Balado early in her career.
Just Alf
12-10-2018, 05:23 PM
I'd never really listened to her music until after she'd passed away, then I realised I really liked it.
Having seen the holographic thing (Frank sinatra) previously, on TV to be fair... I'd be worried it would be a wee bit too ghostly looking . On the other hand I'd happily watch a decent cgi film. Then again that's probably defeating the purpose.
Maybe when VR improves we'll all go to a venue and stick glasses on and feel like we're "there" with whoever and wherever is on the bill.
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CropleyWasGod
12-10-2018, 05:39 PM
I love my live music, and one of the reasons for that is its unpredictability, the notion that something can be a car-crash one minute and sublime the next. I'm not keen on slick and well-rehearsed gigs, where you know your night is exactly the same as the last 67.
I adore Amy, and would have loved to have seen her. But seeing her as a hologram.... the same every single night.... for me would be much the same as sticking on a DVD with mega- surround sound.
I'll stick with Amy Goes to Dingle [emoji7]
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Wilson
12-10-2018, 05:49 PM
Gimmick.
She is dead. There is no getting away from that.
Far better to support a live musician doing the hard touring than a hologram that doesn't feel it.
Smartie
12-10-2018, 06:20 PM
I was lucky enough to have seen her at T in the Park at Balado early in her career.
I saw her live later in her career and it was one of the most tragic things I've ever seen. It felt awful to be part of it - she was tottering about on stage in no fit state to be performing for anyone and it felt for all the world like she was a cash cow that people were hell-bent on wringing as much money as possibly out of whilst they still could. They've clearly found another way to continue wringing cash out of her even after her death.
The "classic albums" that is currently on the BBC I-player is well worth a watch.
stoneyburn hibs
12-10-2018, 08:18 PM
Horrific, her (caring) father will be delighted with proceeds to the Mitch Winehouse foundation.
I'll maybe send my own hologram to see it.
Hibbyradge
12-10-2018, 08:36 PM
Gimmick.
She is dead. There is no getting away from that.
Far better to support a live musician doing the hard touring than a hologram that doesn't feel it.
I go to loads of gigs.
CallumLaidlaw
12-10-2018, 08:55 PM
I saw her at TITP at the height of her career and it was funny/embarrassing at the time, but pretty sad looking back on it. She must’ve knocked back 5-6 drinks during her set and needed a backing singer to help her get her coat off.
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Dalianwanda
12-10-2018, 09:02 PM
Who is this benefiting apart from those who profit? A recoreded voice onto a 3d/holograpic film....imo a bit early and a bit ghoulish....she’s not appearing onstage
It's the way forward - not just for dead people!
A concert in one venue could be transmitted to any number of venues around the world.
Hibbyradge
12-10-2018, 10:23 PM
Who is this benefiting apart from those who profit? A recoreded voice onto a 3d/holograpic film....imo a bit early and a bit ghoulish....she’s not appearing onstage
Profits go to the Amy Winehouse Foundation.
CropleyWasGod
12-10-2018, 10:37 PM
It's the way forward - not just for dead people!
A concert in one venue could be transmitted to any number of venues around the world.You mean, like television? [emoji3]
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You mean, like television? [emoji3]
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I don't think it will be long before similar is available for use in the home. As when TVs, then colour TVs and videos were introduced they will be very expensive and only your posh neighbour will have one but it will happen!
marinello59
13-10-2018, 07:28 AM
I don't think it will be long before similar is available for use in the home. As when TVs, then colour TVs and videos were introduced they will be very expensive and only your posh neighbour will have one but it will happen!
It’s here already via VR headsets.
CropleyWasGod
13-10-2018, 07:54 AM
I don't think it will be long before similar is available for use in the home. As when TVs, then colour TVs and videos were introduced they will be very expensive and only your posh neighbour will have one but it will happen!Unless it comes with beer being spilled over you, 30 degree temperatures, the smell of stale sweat and the biggest guy in the place standing in front of you, it will never replace the real thing. [emoji16]
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It’s here already via VR headsets.
I've just got one, it's amazballs! I've recently got a 360 camera too. Too early yet to say how well they work together as I'm still experimenting.
Unless it comes with beer being spilled over you, 30 degree temperatures, the smell of stale sweat and the biggest guy in the place standing in front of you, it will never replace the real thing. [emoji16]
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True.
Pretty Boy
13-10-2018, 10:43 AM
It's almost touching that the small matter of her death won't stop her despicable father exploiting her for money.
Mawkish nonsense. It's a no from me.
I was very lucky to see Amy live and it is a very treasured memory. The vulnerability was there to see and made it even more special, a hologram could never get that balance. We, the audience were moved to tears that night and we were honoured to see such a raw performance. BUT! j would maybe go to see a hologram tour but with reservations
NAE NOOKIE
13-10-2018, 01:42 PM
It's the way forward - not just for dead people!
A concert in one venue could be transmitted to any number of venues around the world.
Dunno why but that comment cracked me up :faf:
As for the concept. I remember a few years back there was a suggestion that using CGI entirely new films could be made featuring long dead artists like James Cagney or Grace Kelly for example. Not using old clips from their movies such as in the superb 'Dead men don't wear plaid' but by making their characters speak entirely new dialogue.
I was totally against the idea at the time and this Amy Winehouse concept is in the same ballpark for me.
Hibbyradge
13-10-2018, 04:47 PM
It's almost touching that the small matter of her death won't stop her despicable father exploiting her for money.
Mawkish nonsense. It's a no from me.
He's not.
Scouse Hibee
14-10-2018, 03:12 PM
Weird and not for me.
heretoday
14-10-2018, 06:42 PM
Sounds rather morbid.
Hibbyradge
14-10-2018, 06:53 PM
I was out at a designer outlet in York today.
There was a Kate Spade shop selling her handbags etc, all bearing her name and it was busy.
Kate Spade committed suicide earlier this year, but folk are still cashing in on her name.
Pretty Boy
14-10-2018, 07:03 PM
I was out at a designer outlet in York today.
There was a Kate Spade shop selling her handbags etc, all bearing her name and it was busy.
Kate Spade committed suicide earlier this year, but folk are still cashing in on her name.
Is that not comparable to still being able to buy an Amy Winehouse CD, DVD or poster or driving a car bearing the Ford name?
Had there been holograms of the designer in question modeling the goods for sale or standing in the doorway beckoning you in would that not have left you feeling uncomfortable? Would it have been appropriate?
Scouse Hibee
14-10-2018, 08:31 PM
I was out at a designer outlet in York today.
There was a Kate Spade shop selling her handbags etc, all bearing her name and it was busy.
Kate Spade committed suicide earlier this year, but folk are still cashing in on her name.
Kate Spade sold the brand name years ago around 2006 and had no involvement since. So no real comparison.
Hibbyradge
14-10-2018, 08:48 PM
Is that not comparable to still being able to buy an Amy Winehouse CD, DVD or poster or driving a car bearing the Ford name?
Had there been holograms of the designer in question modeling the goods for sale or standing in the doorway beckoning you in would that not have left you feeling uncomfortable? Would it have been appropriate?
I saw the late Carrie Fisher in Star Wars last year, and I regularly see films of deceased people on TV.
Morecambe and Wise, for example, are wall to wall on TV every Christmas.
What's the difference in enjoying those people's performances, and one of Amy Winehouse's?
Scouse Hibee
14-10-2018, 09:05 PM
I saw the late Carrie Fisher in Star Wars last year, and I regularly see films of deceased people on TV.
Morecambe and Wise, for example, are wall to wall on TV every Christmas.
What's the difference in enjoying those people's performances, and one of Amy Winehouse's?
Taking the hologram on tour and turning it into attending a concert scenario in large arenas is the difference as opposed to film and tv.
Hibbyradge
14-10-2018, 09:15 PM
Taking the hologram on tour and turning it into attending a concert scenario in large arenas is the difference as opposed to film and tv.
It's a different medium, but it's just a recording like any other.
I bet more people see James Stewart in It's a Wonderful Life every year than will see a hologram recording of Amy Winehouse.
Scouse Hibee
14-10-2018, 09:22 PM
It's a different medium, but it's just a recording like any other.
I bet more people see James Stewart in It's a Wonderful Life every year than will see a hologram recording of Amy Winehouse.
It’s just the whole on tour concert vibe which is usually reserved for live artists that doesn’t sit well with me. Each to their own though.
Hibbyradge
14-10-2018, 09:26 PM
It’s just the whole on tour concert vibe which is usually reserved for live artists that doesn’t sit well with me. Each to their own though.
It's part live, part recorded. Like loads of gigs.
It's just that images of one of the artists is recorded, not just the voice and music as is usual.
Pretty Boy
14-10-2018, 09:33 PM
I saw the late Carrie Fisher in Star Wars last year, and I regularly see films of deceased people on TV.
Morecambe and Wise, for example, are wall to wall on TV every Christmas.
What's the difference in enjoying those people's performances, and one of Amy Winehouse's?
It's the concept of making it a 'live' performance I find morbid.
People die and they leave behind remnants of themselves in various ways, I have a picture of my Granny in my living room as an example. I don't think there's a suggestion when someone dies we obliterate all trace of them. It's the idea of animating the memory, creating the buzz and atmosphere of live performance and projecting a characterisation based on snapshots of recordings and imagery that I find very uncomfortable and quite different from watching one of the hundreds of thousands of films starring deceased actors or buying the various consumer goods that bear the name of their creators.
The whole thing reminds me of the 'Be Right Back' episode of Black Mirror. The incomplete recreation of a person using a jumbled together catalogue of memories and 'evidence'. Each to their own but it's not for me.
Hibbyradge
14-10-2018, 10:28 PM
I think it will become more common place and people will eventually take it for granted. I can understand why folk might initially balk at the idea, I know I did, but after thinking it through, I see no logical reason to be wary.
It's a new form of visual and auditory entertainment. And, as someone else has already pointed out rather bluntly, living artists could also perform this way.
blackpoolhibs
15-10-2018, 06:15 AM
I have seen both forms of Queen since Freddie Mercury died, with Paul Rogers and Adam Lambert as the lead singer.
During those concert, Freddie comes on stage to sing love of my life, if you dont know the song, google it, its a fantastic piece of work.
He comes on obviously on video, and its done as if Brian May is next to him as a duo, which was how it was done when he was alive.
Its a magical moment, that everyone there loves and enjoys.
Although i'm not sure i'd like it if he was back on stage all of the concert, im not sure how the hologram works, but i cant see how they would be able to move it around like a proper concert.
Saying that she didnt seem to move around much so it might not be as much of a problem compared to a rock band like Queen?
Smartie
15-10-2018, 06:17 AM
I think part of what makes it seem so creepy is that it isn't that long since she was alive.
The idea of going to see something like an Elvis hologram doesn't seem nearly as distasteful.
blackpoolhibs
15-10-2018, 06:19 AM
I think part of what makes it seem so creepy is that it isn't that long since she was alive.
The idea of going to see something like an Elvis hologram doesn't seem nearly as distasteful.
Good point, never thought of it that way. :agree:
Sylar
15-10-2018, 08:14 AM
Given some of the unrealistic expectations that we place on these people in the music industry, it's perhaps an apt metaphor - machine-like performances that go night after night.
Having said that, I find the entire notion of it unpalatable, but as someone point out, the notion of an Elvis or similar hologram event doesn't seem quite so nauseating.
It was suggested shortly after Chester Bennington died, that Linkin Park continue using a hologram/recorded voice component. I'd rather see one of my favourite bands call it a day than rely on that.
heretoday
15-10-2018, 09:24 AM
I think part of what makes it seem so creepy is that it isn't that long since she was alive.
The idea of going to see something like an Elvis hologram doesn't seem nearly as distasteful.
It doesn't seem to bother her family, who stand to make a packet out of a forthcoming bio-pic.
Hibbyradge
15-10-2018, 09:42 AM
The recency of her death does intensify the moral dilemma, but although it was just over 7 years ago, for younger people, that's an age. It's literalky half a lifetime for someone who was 14 in July 2011.
I'm actually surprised that I have reacted do positively towards the concept because I'm as superstitious as anyone when it comes to death.
For example, I find it extremely difficult to delete the phone numbers of friends and relatives who have died, and it's nearly impossible for me to throw out the order of service if it has their photo on the cover.
WeeRussell
15-10-2018, 11:32 AM
Love Amy and it pains me a bit I won't ever see her live.
A hologram show won't change that but it might still be a fun gig.
Smartie
15-10-2018, 02:14 PM
The recency of her death does intensify the moral dilemma, but although it was just over 7 years ago, for younger people, that's an age. It's literalky half a lifetime for someone who was 14 in July 2011.
I'm actually surprised that I have reacted do positively towards the concept because I'm as superstitious as anyone when it comes to death.
For example, I find it extremely difficult to delete the phone numbers of friends and relatives who have died, and it's nearly impossible for me to throw out the order of service if it has their photo on the cover.
Great typo btw.
Hibrandenburg
15-10-2018, 02:37 PM
Great typo btw.
:faf:
CapitalGreen
15-10-2018, 04:03 PM
It's a different medium, but it's just a recording like any other.
I bet more people see James Stewart in It's a Wonderful Life every year than will see a hologram recording of Amy Winehouse.
It's not just a different broadcast medium for existing recordings though, the artists are being re-animated to create new content. In all the examples you have provided the artists has consented to the work being produced but with these holograms, the visual fx artists can essentially make holograms say or do anything. (See Marilyn Monroe (https://jezebel.com/lawyers-are-fighting-over-a-hologram-of-poor-dead-maril-1641810486) selling perfume from beyond the grave).
Hibbyradge
15-10-2018, 06:27 PM
Great typo btw.
Literalky or do?
Or summat else I've missed?
Smartie
15-10-2018, 07:49 PM
Literalky or do?
Or summat else I've missed?
Combining literally and alky in a thread about treating Amy Winehouse's legacy sensitively is a beauty.
Is there a Doors tribute or Hendrix? I have seen most of my heroes but I would love to to see thse dudes. Also Otis Redding and Elvis and Frank Sinatra and so on........
Is there a Doors tribute or Hendrix? I have seen most of my heroes but I would love to to see thse dudes. Also Otis Redding and Elvis and Frank Sinatra and so on........
Roy Orbison 'was in' Edinburgh not so long ago!
Hibbyradge
15-10-2018, 08:41 PM
Combining literally and alky in a thread about treating Amy Winehouse's legacy sensitively is a beauty.
:doh:
Roy Orbison 'was in' Edinburgh not so long ago!
In dreams......
I guess it will be a cheap method of touring, I can imagine a sneering John Lydon sitting at home while the Pistols hollogram tour creates virtual anarchy.
heretoday
17-10-2018, 07:23 AM
If this catches on, our busy, hard-pressed singing stars could just send their hologram on tour around the world while they concentrate on more important things like talking to their agents and getting off their faces.
If this catches on, our busy, hard-pressed singing stars could just send their hologram on tour around the world while they concentrate on more important things like talking to their agents and getting off their faces.
Maybe the Kinks and Oasis can do a brother bashing tour to save us having to read about it.
Hibbyradge
17-10-2018, 09:02 AM
If this catches on, our busy, hard-pressed singing stars could just send their hologram on tour around the world while they concentrate on more important things like talking to their agents and getting off their faces.
If folk want to see a show like that, I'm all for it.
For one thing, it would be a good sight cheaper than seeing the band live and it would be a much better experience compared to watching the DVD in the living room.
Peevemor
17-10-2018, 09:08 AM
Reading this thread has me speculating re. the enigma that was Brian Kerr's short Hibs career.
Hibbyradge
17-10-2018, 09:42 AM
Reading this thread has me speculating re. the enigma that was Brian Kerr's short Hibs career.
Assuming it's a 90 minute show, we'd be able to enjoy his winning goal at the PBS then relax for 88 minutes as it didn't show his unseen work.
I envisage a hologram of ethereal players running, walking, pointing and a sound track of vague shouts, mumbles and noises.
The show wouldn't have a fixed end, rather it would continue until the audience lost interest and left, with the final act being a scruffy looking roadie shrugging and switching the lights off.
I'd pay good money for that.
heretoday
17-10-2018, 02:56 PM
Reading this thread has me speculating re. the enigma that was Brian Kerr's short Hibs career.
Ha ha! Good post. A few Hibs men have hologrammed their way to a salary.
NORTHERNHIBBY
17-10-2018, 09:36 PM
Good point, never thought of it that way. :agree:
Maybe it has also got something to do with the way that she died?
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