Ronaldo rape allegation

[Hibbyradge]

Why would you reach an out of court settlement, and non-profit disclosure agreement, if you're innocent?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45698134

[The_Horde]

Why would you reach an out of court settlement, and non-profit disclosure agreement, if you're innocent?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45698134

Reportedly.. but yeah.

[Hibbyradge]

Reportedly.. but yeah.

That's way too cryptic for me :greengrin:

[SaulGoodman]

After seeing what false rape allegations have done to peoples life’s before, who knows?

The settlement is nothing to him maybe he thought it was worth it instead of the guilty until proven innocent and even then still a bit guilty attitude of rape allegations.

[Hibrandenburg]

Serious question and not meant to be defamatory in any way, but has it ever been established that he actually likes women? If not it will be one hell of a defence.

[Captain Trips]

After seeing what false rape allegations have done to peoples life’s before, who knows?

The settlement is nothing to him maybe he thought it was worth it instead of the guilty until proven innocent and even then still a bit guilty attitude of rape allegations.

I'm sure it was worth it as that amount is not even like 1p to most folk.

[Hi Heid Yin]

Why would you reach an out of court settlement, and non-profit disclosure agreement, if you're innocent?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45698134

Because you are rich and can afford to, and maybe, just maybe, you know that you met and slept with this woman and maybe, just maybe, you know that your actions that day/night could very well be interpreted as "rape", so best to pay her off to drop charges against you and hopefully stop potentially damaging news being broadcast to the world.


Only Ronaldo and the woman concerned really know what exchange took place between them.
Only he knows exactly why he decided to pay her off.

[Hibbyradge]

Serious question and not meant to be defamatory in any way, but has it ever been established that he actually likes women? If not it will be one hell of a defence.

This is his girlfriend;

https://goo.gl/images/wrRrg1

[JohnM1875]

This is his girlfriend;

https://goo.gl/images/wrRrg1

Soooo he does like women or he doesn't? Haha.

I genuinely hope it's all false though. Yeah he comes across as an arrogant bell. But he's a joy to watch and he does so much work for charities that people just seem to forget or gloss over.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Soooo he does like women or he doesn't? Haha.

I genuinely hope it's all false though. Yeah he comes across as an arrogant bell. But he's a joy to watch and he does so much work for charities that people just seem to forget or gloss over.

As we must learn from Saville - charity work is no indicator...

[JohnM1875]

As we must learn from Saville - charity work is no indicator...

Oh god, of course! I'm not saying charity work should change anything. I just hope this all comes out to be nonsense.

[Haymaker]

This is his girlfriend;

https://goo.gl/images/wrRrg1

Elton John was married to a woman.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Serious question and not meant to be defamatory in any way, but has it ever been established that he actually likes women? If not it will be one hell of a defence.

Must admit I've often had the same question in mind. Just always thought he's gay, not that it matters.

[calumhibee1]

After seeing what false rape allegations have done to peoples life’s before, who knows?

The settlement is nothing to him maybe he thought it was worth it instead of the guilty until proven innocent and even then still a bit guilty attitude of rape allegations.

This is the first thing I thought. I get that in an ideal world you wouldn’t want the whole thing going on at all but he’s maybe just thought it would be easier and less damaging than going through a court case and still being Ronaldo the rapist afterwards no matter the outcome (which to loads of people he would be). Graham Stack used to get called a beast everywhere he went and was also innocent (or possibly not proven?)

[Hillsidehibby]

I seem to remember he went to court on a rape charge when he was at Man Utd but was found not guilty.

[blackpoolhibs]

Soooo he does like women or he doesn't? Haha.

I genuinely hope it's all false though. Yeah he comes across as an arrogant bell. But he's a joy to watch and he does so much work for charities that people just seem to forget or gloss over.

Most of his charity work is for Oxfam.

[Chic Murray]

Serious question and not meant to be defamatory in any way, but has it ever been established that he actually likes women? If not it will be one hell of a defence.

I think that rather than use his sexuality as a defence, he would rather spend the money to keep it quiet. As has already been said, he can afford it.

[Speedy]

Why would you reach an out of court settlement, and non-profit disclosure agreement, if you're innocent?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45698134

Rape allegations ruin lives. For a week's wages (that he clearly doesn't need), why wouldn't he.

[SlickShoes]

Rape allegations ruin lives. For a week's wages (that he clearly doesn't need), why wouldn't he.

Rape ruins lives as well.

Nothing in her story sounds unbelievable and more women are coming forward now because they finally have a voice, regardless of any settlement it should be investigated, at the very least other women should be aware that he doesn't take no for an answer.

[SirDavidsNapper]

Horrible subject. Rape and false rape allegations should both carry the highest sentence posible. From what i've seen Ronaldo seems a decent family man. Not that that's stopped others i guess.

[Allant1981]

Rape ruins lives as well.

Nothing in her story sounds unbelievable and more women are coming forward now because they finally have a voice, regardless of any settlement it should be investigated, at the very least other women should be aware that he doesn't take no for an answer.

im pretty sure it was investigated at the time as she reported it to the police, the money given to her was so it wasnt reported to the press

[calumhibee1]

Rape ruins lives as well.

Nothing in her story sounds unbelievable and more women are coming forward now because they finally have a voice, regardless of any settlement it should be investigated, at the very least other women should be aware that he doesn't take no for an answer.

Allegedly doesn’t take no for an answer.

From the outside looking in, we’ve got a woman who was happy to settle for money rather than justice. Nine years later she’s back to the papers selling her story for more money again rather than seeking justice. Doesn’t give her a lot of credibility IMO.

[CapitalGreen]

Allegedly doesn’t take no for an answer.

From the outside looking in, we’ve got a woman who was happy to settle for money rather than justice. Nine years later she’s back to the papers selling her story for more money again rather than seeking justice. Doesn’t give her a lot of credibility IMO.

Have you actually read the article in Der Spiegel or any of the supporting documents?

The accuser didn’t instigate this. Der Spiegel first reported this last year after discovering documents related to CR and his lawyers leaked by the website Football Leaks. They approached the woman named in the papers and she refused to discuss it but the published anyway withholding her name.

[calumhibee1]

Have you actually read the article in Der Spiegel or any of the supporting documents?

The accuser didn’t instigate this. Der Spiegel first reported this last year after discovering documents related to CR and his lawyers leaked by the website Football Leaks. They approached the woman named in the papers and she refused to discuss it but the published anyway withholding her name.

Ah ok. I didn’t read the German article, I don’t speak German :greengrin. The article I found when I searched for it on Google seemed to be suggesting she had instigated it. Either that or I’ve picked it up wrong.

[mutley]

Why would you reach an out of court settlement, and non-profit disclosure agreement, if you're innocent?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45698134


That strategy worked for Michael Jackson!

[Hibrandenburg]

Must admit I've often had the same question in mind. Just always thought he's gay, not that it matters.

No mate it means absolutely nothing. However it would make for an interesting defence in court.

[steve75]

I am no expert on the matter but the tone here isn't the best.

Keep this in mind - https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/false-sexual-violence-assault-rape-allegations-truth-rare-international-day-for-the-elimination-of-a8077876.html

[CapitalGreen]

Ah ok. I didn’t read the German article, I don’t speak German :greengrin. The article I found when I searched for it on Google seemed to be suggesting she had instigated it. Either that or I’ve picked it up wrong.

It’s published in English

http://www.spiegel.de/international/cristiano-ronaldo-kathryn-mayorga-the-woman-who-accuses-ronaldo-of-rape-a-1230634-amp.html

[overdrive]

Horrible subject. Rape and false rape allegations should both carry the highest sentence posible. From what i've seen Ronaldo seems a decent family man. Not that that's stopped others i guess.

I’m not sure about him being a decent family man. Maybe now but the circumstances surrounding his son’s birth and custody are a bit weird. Somebody made a comparison to Michael Jackson about settling out of court. The situation with his son is a bit Michael Jackson/Debbie Rowe-esque.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

It’s published in English

http://www.spiegel.de/international/cristiano-ronaldo-kathryn-mayorga-the-woman-who-accuses-ronaldo-of-rape-a-1230634-amp.html

Quite a disturbing read.

[eastmainsmsh]

Elton John was married to a woman.

Elton Johns Chin bounced more balls than sir Andy Murrays racket

[seanshow]

When Zidane and then Ronaldo left Madrid,
Two strange decisions.........:cb

[percy veer]

allegations of rape, tax avoidance, is there anything money cant buy freedom for.

[Hibbyradge]

allegations of rape, tax avoidance, is there anything money cant buy freedom for.

OJ Simpson answered that question.

[Stokesy's on fire]

Rape ruins lives as well.

Nothing in her story sounds unbelievable and more women are coming forward now because they finally have a voice, regardless of any settlement it should be investigated, at the very least other women should be aware that he doesn't take no for an answer.


Apart from the fact it was 9 years ago. Why wait until now...Gold digger.

[Mantis Toboggan]

Apart from the fact it was 9 years ago. Why wait until now...Gold digger.

The article gives a pretty detailed explanation of why this has come back to light now.

[CapitalGreen]

Apart from the fact it was 9 years ago. Why wait until now...Gold digger.

Have you actually read the article or any of the supporting documents?

She didn't wait until now, the crime was reported to LVPD the morning after the alleged incident where she was examined by a medical expert specialising in this type of crime who recorded injuries consistent with someone who had been anally raped.

You are reading about it now because Ronaldo's representatives broke the conditions of the NDA which has allowed her to discuss what happened.

[Hibbyradge]

Apart from the fact it was 9 years ago. Why wait until now...Gold digger.

Research for the Home Office suggests that only 4 per cent of cases of sexual violence reported to the UK police are found or suspected to be false. Studies carried out in Europe and in the US indicate rates of between 2 per cent and 6 per cent.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/false-sexual-violence-assault-rape-allegations-truth-rare-international-day-for-the-elimination-of-a8077876.html

[cleanyman]

As if Ronaldo is going to rape a woman never mind anyone

He's got millions of men/women who are going to drop their pants in a second just to spend a couple of minutes with him

Didnae happen

[MWHIBBIES]

As if Ronaldo is going to rape a woman never mind anyone

He's got millions of men/women who are going to drop their pants in a second just to spend a couple of minutes with him

Didnae happen
Doesn't really work like that mate.

[pollution]

A strange Portuguese man. I hope he did not do what it is alleged he did but he is a very mixed up man.

Imagine your mother saying on a TV documentary that she wished she had aborted him when she was pregnant with him.

I don't know what it is with some Portuguese men but they are weird: Cadete, Mourinho and Ronaldo.

[CropleyWasGod]

As if Ronaldo is going to rape a woman never mind anyone

He's got millions of men/women who are going to drop their pants in a second just to spend a couple of minutes with him

Didnae happen

Thank you, Inspector Clouseau.

[bigwheel]

As if Ronaldo is going to rape a woman never mind anyone

He's got millions of men/women who are going to drop their pants in a second just to spend a couple of minutes with him

Didnae happen

..Weinstein wasn’t exactly struggling financially and from a power and influence position too....

Didn’t stop him...

[Beefster]

As if Ronaldo is going to rape a woman never mind anyone

He's got millions of men/women who are going to drop their pants in a second just to spend a couple of minutes with him

Didnae happen

As if Ronaldo is going to pay someone he didn't assault to keep quiet.

Saying that, like you, I haven't got a clue what happened. Maybe best leave it to the professionals to sort out.

[Hibrandenburg]

..Weinstein wasn’t exactly struggling financially and from a power and influence position too....

Didn’t stop him...

He does have a face like a sack of wood screws though.

[cleanyman]

..Weinstein wasn’t exactly struggling financially and from a power and influence position too....

Didn’t stop him...

Ugly ******* though

[Beefster]

A strange Portuguese man. I hope he did not do what it is alleged he did but he is a very mixed up man.

Imagine your mother saying on a TV documentary that she wished she had aborted him when she was pregnant with him.

I don't know what it is with some Portuguese men but they are weird: Cadete, Mourinho and Ronaldo.

You've named three men out of around five million. I'm not sure we can be slagging off other nations about having some strange folk tbh.

[bigwheel]

He does have a face like a sack of wood screws though.

That reminds me of the Peter Crouch reply to the question “what would you be if you were not a footballer?.....”a virgin!”

[bigwheel]

Ugly ******* though

The reality is powerful men will have lots of options...yet, it doesn’t mean they will act appropriately behind closed doors...some people are not used to women saying no...who knows how they then react ?

[Hibbyradge]

As if Ronaldo is going to rape a woman never mind anyone

He's got millions of men/women who are going to drop their pants in a second just to spend a couple of minutes with him

Didnae happen

Rape isn't about sex.

It's about power and violence and control and risk and misogyny.

Why do you think some men get sexually arroused by rape porn, or even snuff movies?

[Hibee87]

That was a pretty horrific read.

The 2 people who said gold digger, and 'why would he need to rape someone when he is ronlado' clearly didn't read the article, or had a quick glimpse and decided it was too long a read.

Its not an article that proves him guilty, or otherwise. It is however a long detailed account of the night and the ladies actions/life afterwords. It also hints that evidence in existence which would make a pretty damning account for him.

I hope this is not another victim of a powerful person that gets sweeped under the carpet and the truth does come out.

[Newry Hibs]

..Weinstein wasn’t exactly struggling financially and from a power and influence position too....

Didn’t stop him...

Though, of course, he hasn't been found guilty of anything either.

[bigwheel]

Though, of course, he hasn't been found guilty of anything either.

Factually true. Out on bail awaiting trial...


Tbh - it was the principle I was making...not the specific example...people in powerful
Positions commit these types of crimes.

[Hibbyradge]

As if Ronaldo is going to rape a woman never mind anyone

He's got millions of men/women who are going to drop their pants in a second just to spend a couple of minutes with him

Didnae happen

From the article:

"Among the online comments pertaining to the story were things like: "As if Ronaldo even needs to rape a woman."

You should read it.

[Northernhibee]

This is the sort of thing that can never end well. If it happened then a young woman’s life has been ruined. If it didn’t then a reputation has been dragged through the dirt needlessly.

I really think that speculation is very dangerous in this instance.

[Chic Murray]

A strange Portuguese man. I hope he did not do what it is alleged he did but he is a very mixed up man.

Imagine your mother saying on a TV documentary that she wished she had aborted him when she was pregnant with him.

I don't know what it is with some Portuguese men but they are weird: Cadete, Mourinho and Ronaldo.

It's something to do with the amount of dried cod they eat.

Will that do?

[AgentDaleCooper]

I am no expert on the matter but the tone here isn't the best.

Keep this in mind - https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/false-sexual-violence-assault-rape-allegations-truth-rare-international-day-for-the-elimination-of-a8077876.html

I think that all of these things should be subject to injunctions until someone is proven guilty, whether that be for rape or for false accusation. It's the public circus surrounding these cases that does as much damage as anything else. That said, it's been very important that a public discussion about the subject has taken place, to change social attitudes.

[calumhibee1]

A strange Portuguese man. I hope he did not do what it is alleged he did but he is a very mixed up man.

Imagine your mother saying on a TV documentary that she wished she had aborted him when she was pregnant with him.

I don't know what it is with some Portuguese men but they are weird: Cadete, Mourinho and Ronaldo.

No much different from us weird Scottish guys with David Goodwillie and Craig Thompson.

[Wilson]

Doesn't really work like that mate.

Too right. Takes me longer than that just to unbuckle my belt.

[jacomo]

Horrible subject. Rape and false rape allegations should both carry the highest sentence posible. From what i've seen Ronaldo seems a decent family man. Not that that's stopped others i guess.


I’m not guessing either way. He’s certainly entitled to the presumption of innocence.

However, you surely can’t take anything to do with ‘CR7’ at face value. He’s one of the most marketed individuals in the world and employs a small army of people to manage his public image.

I’m not sure any of us know what he is really like - probably the most accurate guide is his behaviour on the pitch, because there is no real hiding place there.

[Stokesy's on fire]

Research for the Home Office suggests that only 4 per cent of cases of sexual violence reported to the UK police are found or suspected to be false. Studies carried out in Europe and in the US indicate rates of between 2 per cent and 6 per cent.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/false-sexual-violence-assault-rape-allegations-truth-rare-international-day-for-the-elimination-of-a8077876.html


That's because false allegations of all kinds go unpunished. There have recently been some liars finally getting convicted of making false allegations though but sadly many walk free. But it is something that the Sheriffs are going for and long may it continue.

[Captain Trips]

Rape isn't about sex.

It's about power and violence and control and risk and misogyny.

Why do you think some men get sexually arroused by rape porn, or even snuff movies?

Somebody from JKB will be along to answer that for you.

[Hibbyradge]

That's because false allegations of all kinds go unpunished. There have recently been some liars finally getting convicted of making false allegations though but sadly many walk free. But it is something that the Sheriffs are going for and long may it continue.

I don't understand your point.

Only 4% of allegations are shown to be false. The fact that the person who made the false allegation was prosecuted or not doesn't change that percentage.

[Famous Fiver]

Don't know if there are any legal experts on here who may be able answer a few questions which occur to me.

If a charge is brought what jurisdiction is there for extraditing him from Italy as a Portuguese citizen to stand trial?

How long would that take?

How long does it take to bring a case like this to court?

I think it may be difficult to carry on his football career while all the above is taking place.

What sort of punishment are we looking at if he is convicted? One year, two, ten,twenty, throw the key away?

[CropleyWasGod]

Somebody from JKB will be along to answer that for you.No need.

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[bigwheel]

There’s a 24 tweet thread on twitter from the journalist @derWinterbach who outlines some
Pretty detailed documents, fact checking and process he has gone through to validate this story..worth reading together with his published article...on the face of it comes over detailed and credible ..

Obviously only one view of the events ....

[JimboHibs]

Have you actually read the article or any of the supporting documents?

She didn't wait until now, the crime was reported to LVPD the morning after the alleged incident where she was examined by a medical expert specialising in this type of crime who recorded injuries consistent with someone who had been anally raped.

You are reading about it now because Ronaldo's representatives broke the conditions of the NDA which has allowed her to discuss what happened.

Did the authorities not believe there was enough evidence to pursue a conviction at the time ?

Sorry I've not read any of the allegations,evidence,or reasoning for accepting the cash settlement.

On a personal note no amount of money would silence me if victim of sexual assault.

[Michael]

From what I've read things don't look good for Ronaldo at all. But until there's a proper trial we don't know.

[lapsedhibee]

Did the authorities not believe there was enough evidence to pursue a conviction at the time ?

Sorry I've not read any of the allegations,evidence,or reasoning for accepting the cash settlement.

On a personal note no amount of money would silence me if victim of sexual assault.

No amount? :hmmm:

[Stokesy's on fire]

Did the authorities not believe there was enough evidence to pursue a conviction at the time ?

Sorry I've not read any of the allegations,evidence,or reasoning for accepting the cash settlement.

On a personal note no amount of money would silence me if victim of sexual assault.


And i agree with this. It should not be possible to even sign such a deal.

[500miles]

It'll not take long for the other victims to come forward if there's something in this. Tends to be a pattern of behaviour, especially concerning someone with Ronald's means and opportunity.

[Speedy]

Rape ruins lives as well.

Nothing in her story sounds unbelievable and more women are coming forward now because they finally have a voice, regardless of any settlement it should be investigated, at the very least other women should be aware that he doesn't take no for an answer.

Of course it does. I'm not denying that, nor am I assuming guilt/innocence.

I was just replying to a specific question.

[MWHIBBIES]

And i agree with this. It should not be possible to even sign such a deal.

Easy to say when you don't have millions of Ronaldo fans trying to silence and discredit you. She deserves massive respect for changing her mind and coming forward now, assuming this is true of course.

[AgentDaleCooper]

On a personal note no amount of money would silence me if victim of sexual assault.

I think anyone would say the same, so long as they didn't know what it is lile to be in that situation. Rape victims generally suffer from PTSD, which causes intense feelings of guilt, shame and worthlessness. If the allegations are true, i would doubt that it was the money that silenced her.

[CropleyWasGod]

Did the authorities not believe there was enough evidence to pursue a conviction at the time ?

Sorry I've not read any of the allegations,evidence,or reasoning for accepting the cash settlement.

On a personal note no amount of money would silence me if victim of sexual assault.Some justice systems are based on the effect on the victim, rather than punishment for the perpetrator.

For example, a case of murder in Masai culture was settled by the murderer giving the victim's family 49 head of cattle. Some Asian systems allow criminals to avoid jail time by compensating the victim practically or financially.

Whilst I'm not advocating that in the West, the concept of "victim impact" has become increasingly important, particularly when considering sentencing. That is a good thing IMO.

Everyone has their own definition of justice. Perhaps some victims of assault and sexual crimes would prefer to be compensated rather than face the ordeal of the court case.

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[Orchard_Hibs]

Having read the article it’s a horrific tale and very upsetting. As a Ronaldo fan I’d love to say it’s not true however these things go above football and idols, he is not above the law and should be punished accordingly if found guilty, if it’s not true unfortunately mud sticks and he will be forever tarnished by this, my own thoughts towards him have certainly changed on reading this article.

[Hibbyradge]

Having read the article it’s a horrific tale and very upsetting. As a Ronaldo fan I’d love to say it’s not true however these things go above football and idols, he is not above the law and should be punished accordingly if found guilty, if it’s not true unfortunately mud sticks and he will be forever tarnished by this, my own thoughts towards him have certainly changed on reading this article.

The fact that he allegedly admitted in writing that he apologised afterwards is pretty damning.

He can afford good lawyers though so who knows.

[Orchard_Hibs]

The fact that he allegedly admitted in writing that he apologised afterwards is pretty damning.

He can afford good lawyers though so who knows.

I agree completely, however I was trying to not hang the man until he’s found guilty.

[Keyser Sauzee]

Having read the article it’s a horrific tale and very upsetting. As a Ronaldo fan I’d love to say it’s not true however these things go above football and idols, he is not above the law and should be punished accordingly if found guilty, if it’s not true unfortunately mud sticks and he will be forever tarnished by this, my own thoughts towards him have certainly changed on reading this article.

I read the start of the article which described the night in question, it’s not good reading at all. However it’s one side of the story and ur opinion of him should really only change if the story is proven true. I can’t stand the guy if I’m honest but we live in a world where u should be innocent until proven guilty.

[Hibbyradge]

I agree completely, however I was trying to not hang the man until he’s found guilty.

Me neither. Just a comment on what was in the article.

[Orchard_Hibs]

I read the start of the article which described the night in question, it’s not good reading at all. However it’s one side of the story and ur opinion of him should really only change if the story is proven true. I can’t stand the guy if I’m honest but we live in a world where u should be innocent until proven guilty.

You should read the whole thing, IF it’s true he doesn’t have a leg to stand on

[Smartie]

I don't understand your point.

Only 4% of allegations are shown to be false. The fact that the person who made the false allegation was prosecuted or not doesn't change that percentage.

I'm interested in this 4% figure.

How was this number ever arrived at?

How much certainty is there that this figure is accurate?

What is the truth - what actually happened or what a court is found to have happened?

[Hibbyradge]

I'm interested in this 4% figure.

How was this number ever arrived at?

How much certainty is there that this figure is accurate?

What is the truth - what actually happened or what a court is found to have happened?

I was surprised that the figure was as high as 4% to be honest.

I can guarantee you that there are a heck of a lot more men who are never prosecuted for sexual assault or rape than the number of malicious allegations.

But since you're interested in the research's veracity, click on the highlighted words "Home Office" in this article. It fully explains the research.

Read the article first, obviously.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/false-sexual-violence-assault-rape-allegations-truth-rare-international-day-for-the-elimination-of-a8077876.html

[ancient hibee]

I was on the jury for a rape case over 25 years ago.The victim was a drug addict and had become ill,her boyfriend went to phone an ambulance and another guy took the opportunity among other physical assaults to rape her.There were five women on the jury.At the first round the table they all wanted to acquit,mainly because they considered her a low life.One guy sat reading his paper in the jury room and refused to take part because he wasn’t interested.
The matter of corroboration was informative.Obviously in most cases there are only two people present.In this one there was the account of the victim plus the other physical injuries casting doubt on consensual sex and and forensic evidence that there were other injuries which were often seen in rape cases.In other words it wasn’t just a “he said,she said” situation and corroborated evidence doesn’t have to mean someone else who saw it.
Anyway the women on the jury after a few hours were finally convinced that not liking someone’s lifestyle was good enough reason to let a rapist off. Needless to say after the verdict it was disclosed he had form and the Sheriff sent him to the High Court for sentencing.

[jacomo]

I was surprised that the figure was as high as 4% to be honest.

I can guarantee you that there are a heck of a lot more men who are never prosecuted for sexual assault or rape than the number of malicious allegations.

But since you're interested in the research's veracity, click on the highlighted words "Home Office" in this article. It fully explains the research.

Read the article first, obviously.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/false-sexual-violence-assault-rape-allegations-truth-rare-international-day-for-the-elimination-of-a8077876.html


Thanks, good link.

The article recognises a key problem though - that believing an account and proving guilt in a criminal court are very different things.

[Onceinawhile]

Looks like the police department have reopened the case.

[Steve-O]

Did the authorities not believe there was enough evidence to pursue a conviction at the time ?

Sorry I've not read any of the allegations,evidence,or reasoning for accepting the cash settlement.

On a personal note no amount of money would silence me if victim of sexual assault.

I think I read something saying she would not name the perpetrator at the time for fear of repercussions.

Overall, this story does seem to be gaining some legs. With the sense of entitlement that (some) young, rich, sports stars have, it would not be a surprise at all if this happened IMO.

[21.05.2016]

As if Ronaldo is going to rape a woman never mind anyone

He's got millions of men/women who are going to drop their pants in a second just to spend a couple of minutes with him

Didnae happen

Perhaps that was just it? He wasn't used to a woman saying no to him and he didn't like it?

BTW I'm not saying that is or isn't what happened, obviously the only 2 people who know exactly what took place that night are this woman and Ronaldo, I'm just saying that just because you are an attractive person with a lot of fame and wealth who wont struggle to find people wanting to sleep with him doesn't mean you are incapable of doing these things. Rape is not always about sex, sometimes it's about things like power, annoyance at someone saying no to you etc.

When people hear famous footballers accused of rape, so many are quick to spit out the "awck just another gold digger looking for a big pay out". Yes, there are SOME woman out there who have played the rape/sexual assault against rich footballers in aim of trying to get a settlement or a bit of fame but there are a lot of genuine cases out there and the fact so many people are quick to brandish the "gold digger" label, there are probably a lot more victims out there that have actually said nothing in fear of being labelled that.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

As if Ronaldo is going to rape a woman never mind anyone

He's got millions of men/women who are going to drop their pants in a second just to spend a couple of minutes with him

Didnae happen


Right up there with the most idiotic posts ever on Hibs.net.

[Time For Heroes]

As if Ronaldo is going to rape a woman never mind anyone

He's got millions of men/women who are going to drop their pants in a second just to spend a couple of minutes with him

Didnae happen

Whit?

[DstN75]

On a personal note no amount of money would silence me if victim of sexual assault.

I think your stance might become a bit less certain if you were experiencing the shame and associated fallout of just having been anally raped.

[BILLYHIBS]

As if Ronaldo is going to rape a woman never mind anyone

He's got millions of men/women who are going to drop their pants in a second just to spend a couple of minutes with him

Didnae happen

Eh?

:faf:

[The_Horde]

Article is a bit mental to say the least, some properly damning stuff in there.

Similarly though some grey areas too.

[Hi Heid Yin]

Ronaldo also has previous, with a "rape" claim against him back in October 2005 when he was a 20 year old with Man United.

Quote from The Guardian 25th Nov 2005:

"Manchester United footballer Cristiano Ronaldo will not face criminal charges over allegations that he raped a woman in a London hotel, police said last night. Ronaldo, 20, was questioned last month after two women made an allegation of rape against him and another man.
The Portuguese winger has denied the accusations.
A spokeswoman for Scotland Yard said the decision was made after the crown prosecution service had decided there was insufficient evidence to prosecute"

[Newry Hibs]

[QUOTE=Lennon's Lip;5566356]Ronaldo also has previous, with a "rape" claim against him back in October 2005 when he was a 20 year old with Man United.

Quote from The Guardian 25th Nov 2005:

"Manchester United footballer Cristiano Ronaldo will not face criminal charges over allegations that he raped a woman in a London hotel, police said last night. Ronaldo, 20, was questioned last month after two women made an allegation of rape against him and another man.
The Portuguese winger has denied the accusations.
[COLOR=#ff0000]A spokeswoman for Scotland Yard said the decision was made after the crown prosecution service had decided there was insufficient evidence to prosecute[B]"

Or you could say - Ronaldo has previous for doing nothing wrong at all.

[Hi Heid Yin]

[QUOTE=Lennon's Lip;5566356]Ronaldo also has previous, with a "rape" claim against him back in October 2005 when he was a 20 year old with Man United.

Quote from The Guardian 25th Nov 2005:

"Manchester United footballer Cristiano Ronaldo will not face criminal charges over allegations that he raped a woman in a London hotel, police said last night. Ronaldo, 20, was questioned last month after two women made an allegation of rape against him and another man.
The Portuguese winger has denied the accusations.
[COLOR=#ff0000]A spokeswoman for Scotland Yard said the decision was made after the crown prosecution service had decided there was insufficient evidence to prosecute[B]"

Or you could say - Ronaldo has previous for doing nothing wrong at all.

Previous as in: He has previous claims against him.

One claim against you might be dismissed, with the benefit of the doubt given, but 2 claims of rape suggests perhaps something a bit more sinister and warrants a deeper investigation.

[Hibbyradge]

Anyone else got unproven rape allegations against them on here?

Seems to be a common thing

[JimboHibs]

I think your stance might become a bit less certain if you were experiencing the shame and associated fallout of just having been anally raped.

I think you've just descibed how your stance on the matter would be.

[500miles]

Anyone else got unproven rape allegations against them on here?

Seems to be a common thing

Does Graham Stack have an account?

[500miles]

Ronaldo also has previous, with a "rape" claim against him back in October 2005 when he was a 20 year old with Man United.

Quote from The Guardian 25th Nov 2005:

"Manchester United footballer Cristiano Ronaldo will not face criminal charges over allegations that he raped a woman in a London hotel, police said last night. Ronaldo, 20, was questioned last month after two women made an allegation of rape against him and another man.
The Portuguese winger has denied the accusations.
A spokeswoman for Scotland Yard said the decision was made after the crown prosecution service had decided there was insufficient evidence to prosecute"




That could be the opening of the floodgates.

[Speedy]

Ronaldo also has previous, with a "rape" claim against him back in October 2005 when he was a 20 year old with Man United.

Quote from The Guardian 25th Nov 2005:

"Manchester United footballer Cristiano Ronaldo will not face criminal charges over allegations that he raped a woman in a London hotel, police said last night. Ronaldo, 20, was questioned last month after two women made an allegation of rape against him and another man.
The Portuguese winger has denied the accusations.
A spokeswoman for Scotland Yard said the decision was made after the crown prosecution service had decided there was insufficient evidence to prosecute"




Terrible post. And exactly why these sort of allegations shouldn't be reported in the media.

[Speedway]

It would appear that the young lady has suffered horrific injuries somehow, reported it and has been silenced by fear.

Whatever has happened, she must have been through hell in this process.i

Interesting that the lawyer has called the der spiegal report ‘illegal’.

Not false, just illegal.

[Allant1981]

a very strange situation, she allegedly couldnt remember where the incident had taken place or a description of her attacker, he must be one of the most famous people on the planet, thats not to say she wasnt given something but dont think that has ever been suggested or reported

[CapitalGreen]

a very strange situation, she allegedly couldnt remember where the incident had taken place or a description of her attacker, he must be one of the most famous people on the planet, thats not to say she wasnt given something but dont think that has ever been suggested or reported

Where did you read that?

[Allant1981]

on most of the reports, pretty sure it was the police who said this

[Hibee87]

on most of the reports, pretty sure it was the police who said this

Are you talking about the American accuser or the one in London?

The American accuser, if you read the link on the first page, goes into huge detail about it place what happened before during and after etc

[lapsedhibee]

on most of the reports, pretty sure it was the police who said this
She chose not to give police the details. It wasn't that she didn't know them or couldn't remember them.

[Allant1981]

She chose not to give police the details. It wasn't that she didn't know them or couldn't remember them.

ive obviously read it wrong, still strange but then ive never been in that position so no idea what would be going through the head

[superfurryhibby]

Terrible post. And exactly why these sort of allegations shouldn't be reported in the media.

Conversely, without this kind of reporting the profile of sexual abuse of children by perverted individuals associated with football never have had the publicity that encouraged more and more victims to come forward.

Too many restrictions would suit the beasts, yes there can be damage through unfounded allegations, but we have a free press and without that the activities of many depraved individuals would have remained uninvestigated.

[Speedy]

Conversely, without this kind of reporting the profile of sexual abuse of children by perverted individuals associated with football never have had the publicity that encouraged more and more victims to come forward.

Too many restrictions would suit the beasts, yes there can be damage through unfounded allegations, but we have a free press and without that the activities of many depraved individuals would have remained uninvestigated.

I get what you're saying but I really don't think it is right that someone can have their life ruined by unproven allegations. The press obviously have an agenda to publish these stories as well which makes me even more uneasy about it.

[calumhibee1]

I get what you're saying but I really don't think it is right that someone can have their life ruined by unproven allegations. The press obviously have an agenda to publish these stories as well which makes me even more uneasy about it.

100%. People should never be outed until convicted of something like that.

[neil7908]

I get what you're saying but I really don't think it is right that someone can have their life ruined by unproven allegations. The press obviously have an agenda to publish these stories as well which makes me even more uneasy about it.

I don't get why it's the super rich, global superstar that people are feeling sorry for here.

Even if Ronaldo never plays football again he'll be sitting on more cash than I could ever dream of. In no way will Hibs life be ruined.

If we've learned anything over the last few of years it's that those in power are skilled at hiding their crimes behind NDA's and lawyers. The last thing they need is more protection whilst victims have their actual lives ruined and if they dare say something, are savaged online.

As well as sitting up and listening women, agreements like this should be banned. I can't understand how it's ethical for a lawyer to profit from something like this either.

[Hi Heid Yin]

Terrible post. And exactly why these sort of allegations shouldn't be reported in the media.

I'm not sure why exposing a fact (the Guardian newpaper article) makes my post "terrible". It is what it is.
The said article has been read by millions already.
That first claim against Ronaldo is only now thrown into light and revisited because a 2nd claim of "rape" has been levelled at Ronaldo. This 2nd claim of rape is all the more sinister and telling because Ronaldo "paid her off" in the hope of "silencing her"

The first claim was dropped through insufficient evidence.
Insufficient evidence does not equate to the accused being innocent.

If only Jimmy Saville had been exposed by the media when the initial and early rumours and accusations were doing the rounds.
Same goes for Clement Freud and the long line of rich and powerful who use their money and influence to "cover up" and "bury" crimes.

[calumhibee1]

If only Jimmy Saville had been exposed by the media when the initial and early rumours and accusations were doing the rounds.
Same goes for Clement Freud and the long line of rich and powerful who use their money and influence to "cover up" and "bury" crimes.

And by the same token people like Graham Stack have spent the last 10 years or so being called a beast by tens of thousands of people every week for something he was found not guilty of. Which is the reason it shouldn’t be made public imo.

If you could guarantee the guys who’s names were getting released we’re going to be found guilty then bash on and name them ASAP. But that can’t be guaranteed and so they should all have their names kept anonymous until convicted.

[jacomo]

I'm not sure why exposing a fact (the Guardian newpaper article) makes my post "terrible". It is what it is.
The said article has been read by millions already.
That first claim against Ronaldo is only now thrown into light and revisited because a 2nd claim of "rape" has been levelled at Ronaldo. This 2nd claim of rape is all the more sinister and telling because Ronaldo "paid her off" in the hope of "silencing her"

The first claim was dropped through insufficient evidence.
Insufficient evidence does not equate to the accused being innocent.

If only Jimmy Saville had been exposed by the media when the initial and early rumours and accusations were doing the rounds.
Same goes for Clement Freud and the long line of rich and powerful who use their money and influence to "cover up" and "bury" crimes.


Legally, it does, if it doesn’t come to court.

The Scottish legal system can return a ‘not proven’ verdict (in addition to the binary guilty / not guilty choice in England and Wales, which would have been used has this earlier allegation led to prosecution).

[Since90+2]

How often is the not proven verdict used in Scotland out of interest?

[Hibbyradge]

Legally, it does, if it doesn’t come to court.

The Scottish legal system can return a ‘not proven’ verdict (in addition to the binary guilty / not guilty choice in England and Wales, which would have been used has this earlier allegation led to prosecution).

Is OJ Simpson innocent of murdering his ex-wife and friend?

He got off with it, but is he innocent?

[calumhibee1]

Is OJ Simpson innocent of murdering his ex-wife and friend?

He got off with it, but is he innocent?

OJ was before my time really and I actually don’t know much about it. But based on the info in your post, surely the answer is yes? If he got found not guilty in court then he’s innocent, innocent until proven guilty.

[MWHIBBIES]

OJ was before my time really and I actually don’t know much about it. But based on the info in your post, surely the answer is yes? If he got found not guilty in court then he’s innocent, innocent until proven guilty.

He got off because his lawyers played the race card and turned the trial into a circus. He was guilty as sin and lost a civil case years later.

[s.a.m]

He got off because his lawyers played the race card and turned the trial into a circus. He was guilty as sin and lost a civil case years later.


I was just going to say that. Substantial damages were awarded against him. In an unrelated case, he went on to be jailed for armed robbery.

[WeeRussell]

I don't get why it's the super rich, global superstar that people are feeling sorry for here.

Even if Ronaldo never plays football again he'll be sitting on more cash than I could ever dream of. In no way will Hibs life be ruined.

If we've learned anything over the last few of years it's that those in power are skilled at hiding their crimes behind NDA's and lawyers. The last thing they need is more protection whilst victims have their actual lives ruined and if they dare say something, are savaged online.

As well as sitting up and listening women, agreements like this should be banned. I can't understand how it's ethical for a lawyer to profit from something like this either.

I'd rather carry on being skint at the end of most months than live the rest of my life as a millionaire constantly accused and labelled as a rapist.

It's not about taking sides with whoever has least money. It's about who is in the right and who is in the wrong. I have no idea who that is in this case.

[FilipinoHibs]

I'd rather carry on being skint at the end of most months than live the rest of my life as a millionaire constantly accused and labelled as a rapist.

It's not about taking sides with whoever has least money. It's about who is in the right and who is in the wrong. I have no idea who that is in this case.

If you are innocent why make an out of court settlement? Reeks of Trump. Probably influenced by those out of court settlement s reopened against him - make more fame etc. At the time of alleged offence CR7 about to sign for Real so may have been paid to keep that deal sweet even if untrue.

[Billy Whizz]

Noticed he’s not in the Portugal squad for their 2 games coming up, including the friendly against Scotland

[Hibbyradge]

Noticed he’s not in the Portugal squad for their 2 games coming up, including the friendly against Scotland

Yep, left out because of the allegations resurfacing.

This could get very messy, no pun intended.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Noticed he’s not in the Portugal squad for their 2 games coming up, including the friendly against Scotland

Wonder if he was left out or if he excluded himself?

Sadly this is a victory for Guilty until proven Innocent

[WeeRussell]

If you are innocent why make an out of court settlement? Reeks of Trump. Probably influenced by those out of court settlement s reopened against him - make more fame etc. At the time of alleged offence CR7 about to sign for Real so may have been paid to keep that deal sweet even if untrue.

I'm not passing any opinion on whether I think Ronaldo is innocent or not. I'm just saying I completely disagree with the above quoted poster making out like we shouldn't sympathise with someone who has to live with these allegations because they make a really good living :confused:

If he's guilty he deserves punishment and to live with it like anyone else. If he's not then he has my full sympathy.. rich superstar or not.

[Billy Whizz]

Wonder if he was left out or if he excluded himself?

Sadly this is a victory for Guilty until proven Innocent

He wasn’t in the last squad to be fair. But probably wisely to keep a low profile, let Portugal get on with playing

[Juniper Greens]

Wonder if he was left out or if he excluded himself?

Sadly this is a victory for Guilty until proven Innocent

In Portugal they see Nations League as friendly matches. The Portuguese I know were not expecting Ronaldo to feature in the squad anyway.

[Hibbyradge]

In Portugal they see Nations League as friendly matches. The Portuguese I know were not expecting Ronaldo to feature in the squad anyway.

Santos, quoted on the website of Portuguese sports newspaper O Jogo, said: “I personally always support my players and here it is not even a question of solidarity, I believe what the player said publicly, he considers [rape] an abject act and clearly reaffirms that he is innocent of what he is being accused of.

“There was a conversation with the player, the president of the federation [Fernando Gomes] and I. We agreed that the player would not be in these two call-ups, this and the next one in November.”

[Allant1981]

If you are innocent why make an out of court settlement? Reeks of Trump. Probably influenced by those out of court settlement s reopened against him - make more fame etc. At the time of alleged offence CR7 about to sign for Real so may have been paid to keep that deal sweet even if untrue.

wasnt the payment to keep it out the press rather than do nothing about it? i said the same about michael jackson, why pay out millions to save something from going to court if you are innocent

[heretoday]

I'm not passing any opinion on whether I think Ronaldo is innocent or not. I'm just saying I completely disagree with the above quoted poster making out like we shouldn't sympathise with someone who has to live with these allegations because they make a really good living :confused:

If he's guilty he deserves punishment and to live with it like anyone else. If he's not then he has my full sympathy.. rich superstar or not.

Hear Hear. The voice of reason.

[Hi Heid Yin]

Is OJ Simpson innocent of murdering his ex-wife and friend?

He got off with it, but is he innocent?

The OJ Simpson "legal hoodwink" remains probably the most high profile and scandalous of all murder cases, where the overwhelming evidence against Simpson was allowed to be trampled on and dismissed through legal shenanigans and sleight of hand. Every man and his dog knew and still knows that he was guilty.

[Speedy]

I don't get why it's the super rich, global superstar that people are feeling sorry for here.

Even if Ronaldo never plays football again he'll be sitting on more cash than I could ever dream of. In no way will Hibs life be ruined.

If we've learned anything over the last few of years it's that those in power are skilled at hiding their crimes behind NDA's and lawyers. The last thing they need is more protection whilst victims have their actual lives ruined and if they dare say something, are savaged online.

As well as sitting up and listening women, agreements like this should be banned. I can't understand how it's ethical for a lawyer to profit from something like this either.

It's not just the super rich, it's anyone. Could be me, you, a family member, whoever.

Reputation tarnished forever whether you're guilty or not.

[Hibbyradge]

It's not just the super rich, it's anyone. Could be me, you, a family member, whoever.

Reputation tarnished forever whether you're guilty or not.

The thing is, it really couldn't just be anyone.

The likelihood of anyone I know paying someone not to publicise a rape allegation is extremely remote.

[Allant1981]

It's not just the super rich, it's anyone. Could be me, you, a family member, whoever.

Reputation tarnished forever whether you're guilty or not.

happened to a guy i used to work with, was accused of rape, was taken away from the workplace by police, most of the work knew within minutes of what allegedly happened, turns out the female in question had a boyfriend and felt guilty for cheating so everything was dropped, the guy ended up leaving though as he felt everyone still thought he had done it

[lapsedhibee]

happened to a guy i used to work with, was accused of rape, was taken away from the workplace by police, most of the work knew within minutes of what allegedly happened, turns out the female in question had a boyfriend and felt guilty for cheating so everything was dropped, the guy ended up leaving though as he felt everyone still thought he had done it

Was the accuser not charged with anything?

[Allant1981]

Was the accuser not charged with anything?

not sure to be honest, she also left shortly after

[adhibs]

Juve not concerned at all about the accusations as 'hes been a great professional.... and great champion'.

[Sir David Gray]

As if Ronaldo is going to rape a woman never mind anyone

He's got millions of men/women who are going to drop their pants in a second just to spend a couple of minutes with him

Didnae happen

Wow.

Where to begin with this!?

Rape has absolutely nothing to do with how desirable, or otherwise, a person is sexually and how likely it is that they'll get sex.

It's all about power and control and getting a kick out of exerting that over another human being.

I have absolutely no idea if Ronaldo is guilty or not but the fact that he's a global superstar, who could have practically any female he wants, does not make him innocent and it's absolutely ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

[One Day Soon]

The OJ Simpson "legal hoodwink" remains probably the most high profile and scandalous of all murder cases, where the overwhelming evidence against Simpson was allowed to be trampled on and dismissed through legal shenanigans and sleight of hand. Every man and his dog knew and still knows that he was guilty.

There are quite interesting semantics involved in this.

OJ Simpson is not guilty of the crime the he was accused of committing because he went to court and was formally found not guilty. On the other hand for those who think he committed the crime, despite being formally and actually not guilty, he is also the perpetrator of those murders.

[WeeRussell]

Wow.

Where to begin with this!?

Rape has absolutely nothing to do with how desirable, or otherwise, a person is sexually and how likely it is that they'll get sex.

It's all about power and control and getting a kick out of exerting that over another human being.

I have absolutely no idea if Ronaldo is guilty or not but the fact that he's a global superstar, who could have practically any female he wants, does not make him innocent and it's absolutely ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

I was going to reply but actually didn’t know where to begin. I just assumed the quoted poster was either still of school age or attempting to be funny..

[heretoday]

I was going to reply but actually didn’t know where to begin. I just assumed the quoted poster was either still of school age or attempting to be funny..

I think he was the man in the street.

[Famous Fiver]

Reported his sponsorship with Nike is £1 Billion pounds!!

Quite a lot at stake here, I'd say.

[Hibbyradge]

There are quite interesting semantics involved in this.

OJ Simpson is not guilty of the crime the he was accused of committing because he went to court and was formally found not guilty. On the other hand for those who think he committed the crime, despite being formally and actually not guilty, he is also the perpetrator of those murders.

And because he lost the civil murder case, he's a murderer.

[Steve-O]

There are quite interesting semantics involved in this.

OJ Simpson is not guilty of the crime the he was accused of committing because he went to court and was formally found not guilty. On the other hand for those who think he committed the crime, despite being formally and actually not guilty, he is also the perpetrator of those murders.

Wasn’t he also convicted in a civil court?

[Hibbyradge]

Nike and EA getting nervous.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45753889

[1van Sprou7e]

Yep, left out because of the allegations resurfacing.

This could get very messy, no pun intended.

I don't think it has anything to do with the allegations, he wasn't in the last squad either and doesn't want to waste energy on realtively unimportant games

[One Day Soon]

And because he lost the civil murder case, he's a murderer.

I'm not sure that's right. Was he actually convicted of murder?

[s.a.m]

I'm not sure that's right. Was he actually convicted of murder?

As far as I remember, yes. Civil court has a lower standard of proof. He had to pay massive damages.

[Hibbyradge]

I don't think it has anything to do with the allegations, he wasn't in the last squad either and doesn't want to waste energy on realtively unimportant games

It has everything to do with the allegations. Do you really think a player can just decide not to "waste energy" because it's just a Nations League game?

That would mean Ronaldo was bigger than his national football federation. No chance.

In any case, if he'd been left out for any reason other than the allegations, they'd be at pains to point it out.

Instead their statement reads; "Earlier on Thursday the Portugal national football team’s announced it was leaving its captain out of its next two games came after police in Las Vegas announced they were re-opening their investigation into Ms Mayorga's claim.

Ronaldo will miss Portugal’s second game in the Uefa Nations League in Poland next Thursday and a friendly match in Glasgow against Scotland three days later.

Fernando Santos, Portugal's coach, said Ronaldo would also not be called up for the next round of international games in November.

Mr Santos said the decision was taken after a discussion between himself, Ronaldo and the head of the Portuguese football federation.

“We agreed the player wouldn’t be available, wouldn’t be an option for selection,” Mr Santos said. “For the next two squad selections, this one and the one next month, Ronaldo won’t be with us.”

[Hibbyradge]

I'm not sure that's right. Was he actually convicted of murder?

"Is the former football hero Orenthal James Simpson a murderer? A civil jury found it more likely than not that he caused the death of his ex-wife and her friend. A criminal jury was unable to find beyond a reasonable doubt that O.J. committed first degree murder. Legally, the outcomes do not contradict each other."

There. That clears things up.

[One Day Soon]

As far as I remember, yes. Civil court has a lower standard of proof. He had to pay massive damages.

I'm not sure you are convicted of murder unless you are successfully prosecuted on a murder charge. Anything in a civil court is different precisely because of the lower burden of proof and because civil court serves a different purpose. Presumably this is roughly the difference between responsibility and liability?

[One Day Soon]

"Is the former football hero Orenthal James Simpson a murderer? A civil jury found it more likely than not that he caused the death of his ex-wife and her friend. A criminal jury was unable to find beyond a reasonable doubt that O.J. committed first degree murder. Legally, the outcomes do not contradict each other."

There. That clears things up.


Err, no it doesn't. They do not contradict each other but nonetheless he is not a convicted murderer.

[Hibbyradge]

I'm not sure you are convicted of murder unless you are successfully prosecuted on a murder charge. Anything in a civil court is different precisely because of the lower burden of proof and because civil court serves a different purpose. Presumably this is roughly the difference between responsibility and liability?

Semantics, shemantics.

He's been convicted on hibs.net.

That's all you need to know. :agree:

[Hibbyradge]

Err, no it doesn't. They do not contradict each other but nonetheless he is not a convicted murderer.

I was being ironic.

Or was it sarcastic?

[One Day Soon]

Semantics, shemantics.

He's been convicted on hibs.net.

That's all you need to know. :agree:


We've ALL been convicted on hibs.net Mr Radge. I myself have been found to be a Yoon, Happy Clapping, FoH donating, unambitious, Board apologist. At least two of these things are true.

[One Day Soon]

I was being ironic.

Or was it sarcastic?

I don't know, I don't have a degree in English...

[neil7908]

The thing is, it really couldn't just be anyone.

The likelihood of anyone I know paying someone not to publicise a rape allegation is extremely remote.

Exactly. Of course no one on here knows 100% if Ronaldo is guilty but having read the article in full and his response, I'm strongly inclined to believe his accuser.

Its scary how often stuff like this happens and people are more worried about the miniscule number of cases where false allegations are made rather than the enormous number of rapes that go unreported or unpunished.

After Saville, Weinstein, Trump, Cosby etc we really need to learn some lessons.

[Hibbyradge]

We've ALL been convicted on hibs.net Mr Radge. I myself have been found to be a Yoon, Happy Clapping, FoH donating, unambitious, Board apologist. At least two of these things are true.

You're a deep and complicated man, ODS. You should do something about that.

Superficiality is the way forward, er, bro.

[WeeRussell]

Exactly. Of course no one on here knows 100% if Ronaldo is guilty but having read the article in full and his response, I'm strongly inclined to believe his accuser.

Its scary how often stuff like this happens and people are more worried about the miniscule number of cases where false allegations are made rather than the enormous number of rapes that go unreported or unpunished.

After Saville, Weinstein, Trump, Cosby etc we really need to learn some lessons.

I don't think anyone is more worried about anything, you've just made that up. Given it's the Ronaldo accusations we're discussing, most of the chat is going to be around his case. It doesn't matter how "miniscule" the number of false allegations are - they have horrible consequences for those wrongfully accused.

You can be strongly inclined whichever way you want, but don't accuse those of us withholding judgement of not being "worried" enough about victims of rape.

[Newry Hibs]

Exactly. Of course no one on here knows 100% if Ronaldo is guilty but having read the article in full and his response, I'm strongly inclined to believe his accuser.

Its scary how often stuff like this happens and people are more worried about the miniscule number of cases where false allegations are made rather than the enormous number of rapes that go unreported or unpunished.

After Saville, Weinstein, Trump, Cosby etc we really need to learn some lessons.

Where 1 in 4 has a conviction?

[Hibbyradge]

Exactly. Of course no one on here knows 100% if Ronaldo is guilty but having read the article in full and his response, I'm strongly inclined to believe his accuser.

Its scary how often stuff like this happens and people are more worried about the miniscule number of cases where false allegations are made rather than the enormous number of rapes that go unreported or unpunished.

After Saville, Weinstein, Trump, Cosby etc we really need to learn some lessons.

Why an innocent man would pay a woman not to say anything if nothing untoward happened, baffles me.

If someone asked me for money or they'd grass me for something I didn't do, my first thought would be to go to the police to complain about being blackmailed.

It's a surprise that more people, men and women, haven't tried to extort cash out of Ronaldo, and Trump, when all they have to do is threaten to make something damaging up.

[Hibbyradge]

Where 1 in 4 has a conviction?

One is dead, one is about to be tried, and one is using every trick in the book to avoid answering direct questions.

Are you suggesting that because Saville got away with his crimes, he wasn't guilty of them?

[Beefster]

Semantics, shemantics.

He's been convicted on hibs.net.

That's all you need to know. :agree:

I convicted him after watching American Crime Story.

[WeeRussell]

Why an innocent man would pay a woman not to say anything if nothing untoward happened, baffles me.

If someone asked me for money or they'd grass me for something I didn't do, my first thought would be to go to the police to complain about being blackmailed.

It's a surprise that more people, men and women, haven't tried to extort cash out of Ronaldo, and Trump, when all they have to do is threaten to make something damaging up.

Interesting point actually HR. Thought still doesn't make the guy guilty (appreciate you're not suggesting it does).

I guess, in theory, some are in more of a position to take advantage because they've been seen with the accused, or may well have slept with him etc etc.. as opposed to some random punter who wants to make a quick buck but has never crossed paths with the guy and hasn't a leg to stand on.

I wonder how many people who have actually got to know Ronaldo would have it in them to try and make money in such a way? I'd like to folk there's a very small percentage of people who would make-up such allegations, and then obviously an even smaller amount who would be in a position to take advantage.

All hypothetically speaking and not specifically about Ronaldo's current accuser by the way.

[calumhibee1]

Where 1 in 4 has a conviction?

:agree: this is a perfect example of the point that’s been made a few times on this thread.

[Hibbyradge]

Interesting point actually HR. Thought still doesn't make the guy guilty (appreciate you're not suggesting it does).

I guess, in theory, some are in more of a position to take advantage because they've been seen with the accused, or may well have slept with him etc etc.. as opposed to some random punter who wants to make a quick buck but has never crossed paths with the guy and hasn't a leg to stand on.

I wonder how many people who have actually got to know Ronaldo would have it in them to try and make money in such a way? I'd like to folk there's a very small percentage of people who would make-up such allegations, and then obviously an even smaller amount who would be in a position to take advantage.

All hypothetically speaking and not specifically about Ronaldo's current accuser by the way.

I do think it's a tiny proportion.

The thing that disturbs me is that when any high profile person is accused of a sex crime, a significant number of people immediately blame the woman for gold digging and ruining an innocent man's life.

I don't know what happened between CR7 and the woman, but from reading the reports of what subsequently happened and what Ronaldo himself said, it doesn't look at all good for him.

[1van Sprou7e]

It has everything to do with the allegations. Do you really think a player can just decide not to "waste energy" because it's just a Nations League game?

That would mean Ronaldo was bigger than his national football federation. No chance.

In any case, if he'd been left out for any reason other than the allegations, they'd be at pains to point it out.

Instead their statement reads; "Earlier on Thursday the Portugal national football team’s announced it was leaving its captain out of its next two games came after police in Las Vegas announced they were re-opening their investigation into Ms Mayorga's claim.

Ronaldo will miss Portugal’s second game in the Uefa Nations League in Poland next Thursday and a friendly match in Glasgow against Scotland three days later.

Fernando Santos, Portugal's coach, said Ronaldo would also not be called up for the next round of international games in November.

Mr Santos said the decision was taken after a discussion between himself, Ronaldo and the head of the Portuguese football federation.

“We agreed the player wouldn’t be available, wouldn’t be an option for selection,” Mr Santos said. “For the next two squad selections, this one and the one next month, Ronaldo won’t be with us.”

"Do you really think a player can just decide not to "waste energy" because it's just a Nations League game?"

That's what happened for their last fixtures so yes

[ElginHibbie]

I do think it's a tiny proportion.

The thing that disturbs me is that when any high profile person is accused of a sex crime, a significant number of people immediately blame the woman for gold digging and ruining an innocent man's life.

I don't know what happened between CR7 and the woman, but from reading the reports of what subsequently happened and what Ronaldo himself said, it doesn't look at all good for him.

Not only what Ronaldo said at the time, but the fact his lawyers apparently tried to hide it afterwards does raise a lot more doubt than the usual he said/she said

[Hibbyradge]

"Do you really think a player can just decide not to "waste energy" because it's just a Nations League game?"

That's what happened for their last fixtures so yes

Why do you think they didn't use that excuse for these games?

[Newry Hibs]

One is dead, one is about to be tried, and one is using every trick in the book to avoid answering direct questions.

Are you suggesting that because Saville got away with his crimes, he wasn't guilty of them?

I'm saying that it is a rocky road to go down 'convicting' people because someone makes an accusation.

I do think saville was guilty. Not sure about Ronaldo, so people 'reading accounts' and deciding one way or another is dangerous.
There almost doesn't need to be a trial as people have made there own minds up ala OJ case.

[s.a.m]

I'm not sure you are convicted of murder unless you are successfully prosecuted on a murder charge. Anything in a civil court is different precisely because of the lower burden of proof and because civil court serves a different purpose. Presumably this is roughly the difference between responsibility and liability?


Fair enough. He still had to pay up, because they found that the evidence pointed to him having done it. :greengrin

[Keith_M]

One is dead, one is about to be tried, and one is using every trick in the book to avoid answering direct questions.

Are you suggesting that because Saville got away with his crimes, he wasn't guilty of them?


Apparently being dead when the cases were brought to light is a sign of innocence.

[Hibbyradge]

I'm saying that it is a rocky road to go down 'convicting' people because someone makes an accusation.

I do think saville was guilty. Not sure about Ronaldo, so people 'reading accounts' and deciding one way or another is dangerous.
There almost doesn't need to be a trial as people have made there own minds up ala OJ case.

I haven't read anyone saying that Ronaldo is guilty. I have read people saying that the woman us at it and a gold digger.

[JeMeSouviens]

Err, no it doesn't. They do not contradict each other but nonetheless he is not a convicted murderer.

He is definitely not a convicted murderer but he is most probably a murderer.

[cabbageandribs1875]

this dirty **** is having to pay for getting his seedy little way, thank goodness for civil cases :agree:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-45760372

A woman has won £80,000 in damages from a man who had been cleared of raping her after a night out in Fife.

The woman, who cannot be named, had sued Stephen Coxen, who is now 23, from Bury in Greater Manchester
.
The second year student said she was raped after a night out in St Andrews in 2013 by Mr Coxen, who she had met earlier in the evening.

[One Day Soon]

He is definitely not a convicted murderer but he is most probably a murderer.


That's kind of the point I was trying to make, if I really had one.

Enjoy your day out tomorrow, assuming you are going.

[Hibrandenburg]

There's no way that I would pay 1 pence to someone who accused me of something I didn't do. Not just out of principle but also because paying someone to shut up is not an admission of guilt but it's what a guilty person who's scared would do.

[JeMeSouviens]

There's no way that I would pay 1 pence to someone who accused me of something I didn't do. Not just out of principle but also because paying someone to shut up is not an admission of guilt but it's what a guilty person who's scared would do.

It’s also what someone with pots of cash, lucrative sponsorship deals and a team of advisers would do. So who knows?

[JeMeSouviens]

That's kind of the point I was trying to make, if I really had one.

Enjoy your day out tomorrow, assuming you are going.

Marching? I haven’t been on a march since the poll tax! In Portugal on hols till Sunday anyway.

[danhibees1875]

There's no way that I would pay 1 pence to someone who accused me of something I didn't do. Not just out of principle but also because paying someone to shut up is not an admission of guilt but it's what a guilty person who's scared would do.

These allegations hang over people whether found innocent or guilty when they're in the public eye, and it's his image that would take a hit. His image makes him a lot of money ($1bn is the recent contract) and the thing that will keep money coming in after he's finished playing.

I can see why the situation is different for someone like him than it would be for the average person.

I'm not saying that makes him less likely to be guilty, I just don't think it makes him look more guilty as it could initially be perceived.

[FilipinoHibs]

These allegations hang over people whether found innocent or guilty when they're in the public eye, and it's his image that would take a hit. His image makes him a lot of money ($1bn is the recent contract) and the thing that will keep money coming in after he's finished playing.

I can see why the situation is different for someone like him than it would be for the average person.

I'm not saying that makes him less likely to be guilty, I just don't think it makes him look more guilty as it could initially be perceived.

Trying reading the statements of what happened he made to his lawyers on the incident. No doubt a rape. Die Spigiel paper published them.

[BoomtownHibees]

No doubt a rape.

Strong allegation that

[Sir David Gray]

Trying reading the statements of what happened he made to his lawyers on the incident. No doubt a rape. Die Spigiel paper published them.

I've just read it.

It doesn't look good for him, I must be honest.

[Hibbyradge]

Strong allegation that

Have you read the report?

If it's accurate, and those are Ronaldo's words that his lawyer recorded, then I'm not sure how anyone could come to any other conclusion.

Ironically, even if that is an accurate description of what happened, Ronaldo's lawyers might still be able to prevent a conviction using some loophole or legal manoeuvre.

Where would be the justice for the victim in that?

[BoomtownHibees]

Have you read the report?

If it's accurate, and those are Ronaldo's words that his lawyer recorded, then I'm not sure how anyone could come to any other conclusion.

Ironically, even if that is an accurate description of what happened, Ronaldo's lawyers might still be able to prevent a conviction using some loophole or legal manoeuvre.

Where would be the justice for the victim in that?

Yeah I’ve read it and as you say “if it’s accurate” then it doesn’t look good at all for him however until it’s 100% proven I would stop short of saying “No doubt a rape”

[FilipinoHibs]

http://www.spiegel.de/international/how-ronaldo-legal-team-dealt-with-rape-accusations-a-1231779.html

[CapitalGreen]

Have you read the report?

If it's accurate, and those are Ronaldo's words that his lawyer recorded, then I'm not sure how anyone could come to any other conclusion.

Ironically, even if that is an accurate description of what happened, Ronaldo's lawyers might still be able to prevent a conviction using some loophole or legal manoeuvre.

Where would be the justice for the victim in that?

They will likely argue that as the questionnaire quoting Ronaldo’s description of events was confidential communication between he and his lawyers that it is subject to attorney-client privilege and therefore not admissible in court.

[FilipinoHibs]

http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/rape-allegations-against-real-madrid-star-ronaldo-it-has-to-be-less-a-1144878.html

[superfurryhibby]

This thread makes for very uncomfortable reading, especially for a family friendly football forum, i’m not sure where it fits on Hibs Net, but for me it’s not on a hibs discussion page.

[Hibbyradge]

They will likely argue that as the questionnaire quoting Ronaldo’s description of events was confidential communication between he and his lawyers that it is subject to attorney-client privilege and therefore not admissible in court.

Yes that's possible.

The law can be ridiculous, regardless of the events in this case or the outcome.

There can be evidence available which categorically proves the guilt of an individual, but they still get off with it because of a technicality.

The words, "You're a free man" don't always mean you didn't commit the crime.

Which takes us back to the OJ Simpson discussion ...

[Captain Trips]

The whole thing has desenended into farce. A serious crime may have occurred here and it should have went through the course fully. I do not accept the other person didn't know fully or was not in correct state of mind over cash.

The whole thing for me is just utterly disgraceful and has desenended into farce.

[JohnM1875]

This thread makes for very uncomfortable reading, especially for a family friendly football forum, i’m not sure where it fits on Hibs Net, but for me it’s not on a hibs discussion page.

Have to say I definitely agree with this.

[Since90+2]

The whole thing has desenended into farce. A serious crime may have occurred here and it should have went through the course fully. I do not accept the other person didn't know fully or was not in correct state of mind over cash.

The whole thing for me is just utterly disgraceful and has desenended into farce.

Yip. And it's now nothing to do with Football so should be moved from the main forum.

[Skol]

This thread makes for very uncomfortable reading, especially for a family friendly football forum, i’m not sure where it fits on Hibs Net, but for me it’s not on a hibs discussion page.

Yes, an there is one profile pic that struck me as being inappropriate as well.

[jacomo]

This thread makes for very uncomfortable reading, especially for a family friendly football forum, i’m not sure where it fits on Hibs Net, but for me it’s not on a hibs discussion page.


Is it?

[bigwheel]

Yip. And it's now nothing to do with Football so should be moved from the main forum.

I’d agree with that...

[Hibbyradge]

Yes, an there is one profile pic that struck me as being inappropriate as well.

Are you referring to my picture?

I can't imagine any youngsters would be offended or influenced by it.

Although I would agree that it looks like it, we can't actually be certain that it's even alcohol.

[Skol]

It’s still a profile pic that I would deem inappropriate for a football forum.

[CropleyWasGod]

It’s still a profile pic that I would deem inappropriate for a football forum.In what way?

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[A Hi-Bee]

This thread makes for very uncomfortable reading, especially for a family friendly football forum, i’m not sure where it fits on Hibs Net, but for me it’s not on a hibs discussion page.

I would tend to agree with you on this. Just dont see where it fits in with Hibernian F.C. everyones a judge these days I guess.

[Hibbyradge]

I would tend to agree with you on this. Just dont see where it fits in with Hibernian F.C. everyones a judge these days I guess.

This is a forum for all things football related. Ronaldo is the most famous footballer in the world therefore it's a fitting subject for discussion on here.

Secondly, only one person has been judgemental and that was the person who called the woman a gold digger.

[lapsedhibee]

Although I would agree that it looks like it, we can't actually be certain that it's even alcohol.

:greengrin

[A Hi-Bee]

This is a forum for all things football related. Ronaldo is the most famous footballer in the world therefore it's a fitting subject for discussion on here.

Secondly, only one person has been judgemental and that was the person who called the woman a gold digger.

Just my humble opinion in general that there seems to be a hell of a lot of judges and experts on most subjects these days. I have not looked at the report from the German rag Der Spiegel as from memory that paper was the German equivalent of the sun if not worse. Will leave this for others to discuss and concentrate on Hibs related subjects.

[lapsedhibee]

Just my humble opinion in general that there seems to be a hell of a lot of judges and experts on most subjects these days. I have not looked at the report from the German rag Der Spiegel as from memory that paper was the German equivalent of the sun if not worse. Will leave this for others to discuss and concentrate on Hibs related subjects.

I don't speak German but this

In 2010 Der Spiegel was employing the equivalent of 80 full-time fact checkers, which the Columbia Journalism Review called "most likely the world's largest fact checking operation".

does not seem very Sun-like.

[nonshinyfinish]

Just my humble opinion in general that there seems to be a hell of a lot of judges and experts on most subjects these days. I have not looked at the report from the German rag Der Spiegel as from memory that paper was the German equivalent of the sun if not worse. Will leave this for others to discuss and concentrate on Hibs related subjects.

The German equivalent of The Sun is Bild.

Der Spiegel is a serious, high-quality news magazine.

[Hibbyradge]

Just my humble opinion in general that there seems to be a hell of a lot of judges and experts on most subjects these days. I have not looked at the report from the German rag Der Spiegel as from memory that paper was the German equivalent of the sun if not worse. Will leave this for others to discuss and concentrate on Hibs related subjects.

If you know nothing at all about a subject, and you refuse to read and learn about it, then I agree, you shouldn't give an opinion, never mind make a judgement.

Having said that, you do seem to have made judgements about people that you don't know for having opinions, and about a German publication which you also know little about.

[Hibbyradge]

The German equivalent of The Sun is Bild.

Der Spielgel is a serious, high-quality news magazine.

Indeed.

[jacomo]

If you know nothing at all about a subject, and you refuse to read and learn about it, then I agree, you shouldn't give an opinion, never mind make a judgement.

Having said that, you do seem to have made judgements about people that you don't know for having opinions, and about a German publication which you also know little about.


Come on now.

He has his opinion and he feels he is right, so why does he have to read anything or listen to another point of view?

This is the world we are in.

[A Hi-Bee]

If you know nothing at all about a subject, and you refuse to read and learn about it, then I agree, you shouldn't give an opinion, never mind make a judgement.

Having said that, you do seem to have made judgements about people that you don't know for having opinions, and about a German publication which you also know little about.

Looks like the auld grey matter is letting me down, getting my Gerrie newspapers mixed up, oh well. I still think this is a poor subject for a Hibs forum.
With age also comes wisdom so I was once told. That wisdom went something like- when you are digging a hole for yourself the best way to get out of it is just to stop digging. I shall now put down my shovel or is it a spade.
I leave this discussion for the more enlightened than I.

[cleanyman]

Good goal tonight

[Randolph Carter]

This thread makes for very uncomfortable reading, especially for a family friendly football forum, i’m not sure where it fits on Hibs Net, but for me it’s not on a hibs discussion page.

1. The thread is about a rape allegation so of course it's going to be uncomfortable reading.

2. The alleged rapist is one of the most famous and successful footballers of all time which is why it's on a football forum (there is no 'non Hibs football forum on this site so it goes on the general football discussion forum)

3. Its not a website aimed at young children and in my opinion anyone whose parent / guardian allows them to browse Internet forums that aren't specifically for fans of Paw Patrol or Peppa Pig should be ready to engage with the uncomfortable truths of this world e.g. a helluva lot of women get raped and statistics show that even if they go to the police they are unlikely to succeed with a prosecution. Read the report, she went to the cops within 24 hours and was advised by the cop to drop the case... just like the previous case with Ronaldo when he was at Man United.

[DH1875]

Innocent until proven guilty. Thats all I got to say.

[Chic Murray]

Elton Johns Chin bounced more balls than sir Andy Murrays racket

It always amazes me that people share their private fantasies on a public forum. Unless it's some kind of humiliation fetush, or something.

[Hibbyradge]

Innocent until proven guilty. Thats all I got to say.

Legally, you're correct and no-one disagrees with you.

But is it really that simple?

If you saw someone scratch your car, or steal your jacket then run away, would they be innocent of the crime if they didn't get prosecuted for it?

:dunno:

[Chic Murray]

Legally, you're correct and no-one disagrees with you.

But is it really that simple?

If you saw someone scratch your car, or steal your jacket then run away, would they be innocent of the crime if they didn't get prosecuted for it?

:dunno:

They would be guilty of the action, but it would be for a court to decide if they had committed a crime.

We are getting into Salem territory, when the accuser is believed unconditionally. There are other possible reasons for this woman's story, so it would be wrong not to give them equal weight

For me, the financial reward argument is as compelling as the rape claim, at this point. It would be unfair to judge either party at this stage

[Hibbyradge]

They would be guilty of the action, but it would be for a court to decide if they had committed a crime.

We are getting into Salem territory, when the accuser is believed unconditionally. There are other possible reasons for this woman's story, so it would be wrong not to give them equal weight

For me, the financial reward argument is as compelling as the rape claim, at this point. It would be unfair to judge either party at this stage

I agree.

I just don't have much faith in the legal proces, particularly when it involves famous and powerful billionaires against ordinary citizens.

Often, innocent until proven guilty is almost meaningless in those circumstances.

It seems like if you've got plenty money, you can pretty much do what you want. Just ask Donald Trump.

[Chic Murray]

I agree.

I just don't have much faith in the legal proces, particularly when it involves famous and powerful billionaires against ordinary citizens.

Often, innocent until proven guilty is almost meaningless in those circumstances.

It seems like if you've got plenty money, you can pretty much do what you want. Just ask Donald Trump.

Agreed.

[JohnM1875]

1. The thread is about a rape allegation so of course it's going to be uncomfortable reading.

2. The alleged rapist is one of the most famous and successful footballers of all time which is why it's on a football forum (there is no 'non Hibs football forum on this site so it goes on the general football discussion forum)

3. Its not a website aimed at young children and in my opinion anyone whose parent / guardian allows them to browse Internet forums that aren't specifically for fans of Paw Patrol or Peppa Pig should be ready to engage with the uncomfortable truths of this world e.g. a helluva lot of women get raped and statistics show that even if they go to the police they are unlikely to succeed with a prosecution. Read the report, she went to the cops within 24 hours and was advised by the cop to drop the case... just like the previous case with Ronaldo when he was at Man United.

4. There's a place for threads like this. It's called "the Holy Ground". This should be nowhere near the main forum page.

[Sir David Gray]

1. The thread is about a rape allegation so of course it's going to be uncomfortable reading.

2. The alleged rapist is one of the most famous and successful footballers of all time which is why it's on a football forum (there is no 'non Hibs football forum on this site so it goes on the general football discussion forum)

3. Its not a website aimed at young children and in my opinion anyone whose parent / guardian allows them to browse Internet forums that aren't specifically for fans of Paw Patrol or Peppa Pig should be ready to engage with the uncomfortable truths of this world e.g. a helluva lot of women get raped and statistics show that even if they go to the police they are unlikely to succeed with a prosecution. Read the report, she went to the cops within 24 hours and was advised by the cop to drop the case... just like the previous case with Ronaldo when he was at Man United.

Even although it's about a football player, it's not about football so I do kind of agree that it probably should be moved to the Holy Ground where topics of this nature are usually discussed.

[Chic Murray]

4. There's a place for threads like this. It's called "the Holy Ground". This should be nowhere near the main forum page.

Why do you say that?

[JohnM1875]

Why do you say that?

Because it's not about football. Simple as that.

[Hibbyradge]

Because it's not about football. Simple as that.

The thread about Levein taking ill was on this forum. Why didn't you complain about that?

Same applies to the Bookie bashing and Adverts threads.

[Chic Murray]

Because it's not about football. Simple as that.

Yes, but we discuss other things that are football related, but aren't actually about football, such as Rangers tax affairs, linesmen getting assaulted, and Heart of Midlothian. None of these end up in the Holy Ground.

It's a minefield!

[WeeRussell]

4. There's a place for threads like this. It's called "the Holy Ground". This should be nowhere near the main forum page.

Maybe.. but why do people get so offended by whether a thread should be on the main forum or not. Does it really matter that much?

I take the point being made but multiple people demanding it is moved and seemingly getting upset by it?!

[SlickShoes]

They would be guilty of the action, but it would be for a court to decide if they had committed a crime.

We are getting into Salem territory, when the accuser is believed unconditionally. There are other possible reasons for this woman's story, so it would be wrong not to give them equal weight

For me, the financial reward argument is as compelling as the rape claim, at this point. It would be unfair to judge either party at this stage

Nothing the woman has done so far has indicated all she has been after is a pay off, none of what has come to light is because of her in any way, she reported straight away when it happened and this recent burst of info is due to a journalist digging some stuff up themselves.

[jacomo]

Good goal tonight


Told you he never did it.

[JohnM1875]

The thread about Levein taking ill was on this forum. Why didn't you complain about that?

Same applies to the Bookie bashing and Adverts threads.

Do you know I didn't complain about that? I mean, I didn't, but still! Haha.

I just don't think the main forum is a place to be talking about whether someone is guilty of rape or not I guess.

[Chic Murray]

Nothing the woman has done so far has indicated all she has been after is a pay off, none of what has come to light is because of her in any way, she reported straight away when it happened and this recent burst of info is due to a journalist digging some stuff up themselves.

Yet she accepted a pay off in the past? Doesn't mean it didn't happen, of course, but does raise understandable questions.

[Chic Murray]

Do you know I didn't complain about that? I mean, I didn't, but still! Haha.

I just don't think the main forum is a place to be talking about whether someone is guilty of rape or not I guess.

What makes you think the Holy Ground is? I mean, I know there's a few perverts that post on there, but, well, you know?

[JohnM1875]

What makes you think the Holy Ground is? I mean, I know there's a few perverts that post on there, but, well, you know?

Exactly that! I'm only thinking of the perverts.

[Chic Murray]

Exactly that! I'm only thinking of the perverts.

So am I. :greengrin

[superfurryhibby]

1. The thread is about a rape allegation so of course it's going to be uncomfortable reading.

2. The alleged rapist is one of the most famous and successful footballers of all time which is why it's on a football forum (there is no 'non Hibs football forum on this site so it goes on the general football discussion forum)

3. Its not a website aimed at young children and in my opinion anyone whose parent / guardian allows them to browse Internet forums that aren't specifically for fans of Paw Patrol or Peppa Pig should be ready to engage with the uncomfortable truths of this world e.g. a helluva lot of women get raped and statistics show that even if they go to the police they are unlikely to succeed with a prosecution. Read the report, she went to the cops within 24 hours and was advised by the cop to drop the case... just like the previous case with Ronaldo when he was at Man United.

Yes, this is a family friendly forum, hence the swear filters and admin presence on site.

Some of the comments, particularly in respect of the woman making the allegations are shameful and wince inducing. Not really sure what that has to do with Peppa Pig? You’re being a bit presumptious in terms of creaming yourself over what my objections might be.

[lapsedhibee]

Yes, this is a family friendly forum, hence the swear filters and admin presence on site.

Some of the comments, particularly in respect of the woman making the allegations are shameful and wince inducing. Not really sure what that has to do with Peppa Pig? You’re being a bit presumptious in terms of creaming yourself over what my objections might be.

Which post numbers are you referring to, please? I've missed these.

[superfurryhibby]

Which post numbers are you referring to, please? I've missed these.

It’s called reading, give it a bash. The fuds know who they are.

[lapsedhibee]

It’s called reading, give it a bash. The fuds know who they are.
Very helpful.

[Chic Murray]

Yes, this is a family friendly forum, hence the swear filters and admin presence on site.

Some of the comments, particularly in respect of the woman making the allegations are shameful and wince inducing. Not really sure what that has to do with Peppa Pig? You’re being a bit presumptious in terms of creaming yourself over what my objections might be.

Might need to rethink that one.

As for the family friendly stuff, is there not a minimum age you have to be to join the forum? That's a genuine question, because sometimes discussions do get a bit adult in nature, and could cause problems if one of the parties is a minor.

[CapitalGreen]

It’s called reading, give it a bash. The fuds know who they are.

Sorry but the use of the word fud as an insult is not appropriate for a family friendly forum.

[CapitalGreen]

Back on topic, it seems a second woman has contacted the solicitor for the first alleged victim.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4854128?__twitter_impression=true

[Hibbyradge]

Back on topic, it seems a second woman has contacted the solicitor for the first alleged victim.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4854128?__twitter_impression=true

When I read his reported comment to the first woman, "I'm 99% good, but 1% bad", I thought it was a strange thing to say, if he hadn't done anything like that before.

Of course I don't know to what he was referring and maybe it was a translation thing, but it did strike me as odd, if not ominous.

[Hi Heid Yin]

Innocent until proven guilty. Thats all I got to say.


Ronaldo just happens to have a "previous claim of rape" levelled against him, whereby due to "insufficient evidence" no prosecution took place. Doubt however will always remain in such a case, even though "innocence is assumed" That assumed "innocence" is tentative and hangs on there not being a 2nd and subsequent rape claim against him.

When Ronaldo again finds himself "accused of rape" (by a completely different woman) and he then "buys her silence", alarm bells inevitably go off and questions are inevitably raised.

[Chic Murray]

Ronaldo just happens to have a "previous claim of rape" levelled against him, whereby due to "insufficient evidence" no prosecution took place. Doubt however will always remain in such a case, even though "innocence is assumed" That assumed "innocence" is tentative and hangs on there not being a 2nd and subsequent rape claim against him.

When Ronaldo again finds himself "accused of rape" (by a completely different woman) and he then "buys her silence", alarm bells inevitably go off and questions are inevitably raised.

Rich man, known for paying off malicious claimants, attracts malicious claimants. Could be an alternative explanation.

[calumhibee1]

That assumed "innocence" is tentative and hangs on there not being a 2nd and subsequent rape claim

So because he hasn’t been found guilty of any wrong doing more than once, innocent until proven guilty doesn’t apply to him anymore? :confused:

[Hibrandenburg]

Just my humble opinion in general that there seems to be a hell of a lot of judges and experts on most subjects these days. I have not looked at the report from the German rag Der Spiegel as from memory that paper was the German equivalent of the sun if not worse. Will leave this for others to discuss and concentrate on Hibs related subjects.

The Spiegel isn't a newspaper, it's a weekly news magazine that is world renowned for it's investigative journalism. Hardly a rag.

[Hibbyradge]

So because he hasn’t been found guilty of any wrong doing more than once, innocent until proven guilty doesn’t apply to him anymore? :confused:

Saturday Boy will be along shortly advising you to check out something called the Moorov Doctrine.

I would echo that advice. :wink:

[Hi Heid Yin]

Rich man, known for paying off malicious claimants, attracts malicious claimants. Could be an alternative explanation.

Out of court payoffs will always attract attention and be questioned. Innocence and guilt thus will be assumed by different onlookers.
And that's why claims (malicious or otherwise) should be brought to the courts of justice, where a jury will weigh up the evidence presented.
By avoiding scrutiny in the courts the rich and powerful can get away with murder (literally).
Equally, justice is trampled on and bye-passed when a "malicious" claimant is rewarded with a nice, hefty payoff. Their testimony and lies are not heard and deliberated on by the courts.

And on that note, I will now leave this thread and subject to others.
I have given my tuppence worth and I'd much rather focus on our beloved Hibees.

[s.a.m]

Out of court payoffs will always attract attention and be questioned. Innocence and guilt thus will be assumed by different onlookers.
And that's why claims (malicious or otherwise) should be brought to the courts of justice, where a jury will weigh up the evidence presented.
By avoiding scrutiny in the courts the rich and powerful can get away with murder (literally).
Equally, justice is trampled on and bye-passed when a "malicious" claimant is rewarded with a nice, hefty payoff. Their testimony and lies are not heard and deliberated on by the courts.

And on that note, I will now leave this thread and subject to others.
I have given my tuppence worth and I'd much rather focus on our beloved Hibees.

I would agree with that. I don't like payoffs, particularly in crimes of violence. If the allegation is true, then the offender shouldn't be able to avoid justice by throwing money at the victim. And as you've said, it shouldn't be possible to profit from malicious claims.

[Hi Heid Yin]

I would agree with that. I don't like payoffs, particularly in crimes of violence. If the allegation is true, then the offender shouldn't be able to avoid justice by throwing money at the victim. And as you've said, it shouldn't be possible to profit from malicious claims.

:aok:

[Chic Murray]

It’s called reading, give it a bash. The fuds know who they are.

I can't even spell phud.


Out of court payoffs will always attract attention and be questioned. Innocence and guilt thus will be assumed by different onlookers.
And that's why claims (malicious or otherwise) should be brought to the courts of justice, where a jury will weigh up the evidence presented.
By avoiding scrutiny in the courts the rich and powerful can get away with murder (literally).
Equally, justice is trampled on and bye-passed when a "malicious" claimant is rewarded with a nice, hefty payoff. Their testimony and lies are not heard and deliberated on by the courts.

And on that note, I will now leave this thread and subject to others.
I have given my tuppence worth and I'd much rather focus on our beloved Hibees.

I agree, he would have saved himself a lot of bother letting her take him to court. In his defence, football is a short career, and he appears focussed on getting the most out of it.

[jacomo]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45817055

Ronaldo hits back.