I Know You May Disagree But...

[BILLYHIBS]

That's not what I asked, Billy.

Yeah ok they have a better chance than us as we are out.

Apart from Dundee at Dens they are the worst team I have seen this season they play a sort of non football a la Mourinho and we all know what is going to happen to him the same fate awaits MacInnes.

As I said before Aberdeen don’t win that cup.

They are the worst team left in it.

As I said earlier in this thread I understand your point and yes it is another winnable opportunity we have lost which realistically only leaves us the SC so we need to get our forwards firing on all cylinders before then.

With regards to the LC it is what it is no point in dwelling on it it is a waste of time and energy we dust ourselves down and go again on Saturday

Hopefully the international break will allow us to replenish our resources and get some of our players back.

When was the last time we won two consecutive away games? :dunno:


Fair play Smartie. No issue with that position.
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[matty_f]

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Best post on the thread, IMHO.:greengrin

[SirDavidsNapper]

It's also worth remembering that Aberdeen were in the division above us, and were the second best team in the country, the season they beat us at Hampden, and they were lucky to beat us with a deflected goal.

Our team of underachievers had skelped them out of the League Cup the season before, when again Aberdeen were comfortably second best in the league (in fact, I think when we played them they had just had 8 or 9 straight victories).

Yup. They were the best team in the country when we knocked them out

[Stevie Reid]

Despite their impressive league finishes and progress in the cups in the last few years, I don't think Aberdeen's results against the OF show them as being mentally strong.

[My_Wife_Camille]

There's two points there.

'Incremental growth' was the catchphrase of both Dougie Cromb and eaerly period Rod Petrie, before his 5 year plan and sporting success mantras took over.

Both were based on the aspiration of 'we want Hibs to be here for the next 100+ years'. Who would disagree there? But if that doesn't turn that into more silverware, more wealth and better football, why do we want there to be a Hibs in 125 years, we won't have seen much success and neither will the generations to follow.

Your sustainability point there Matty is the key for me. We've been here before-ish under Miller (cup win, Top 5 league finish, euro qualification) McLeish (Top 3 League finish and Europe) Mowbray (Top 4 League finish and Europe) and Yogi (Top 4 League finish and Europe) but it was never sustained.

IF it is now the case that we CAN sustain this level of competitive performance, then I agree, Europe is the way to fund growth.

Second point. The reaction to Aberdeen was not as a one off but rather as a continuation of a pattern of, as McInnes pointed out, the mentally stronger side holding their nerve and progressing. Now of course it could've gone either way, but it didn't, it went their way and when that happens regularly, you hand large financial advantage to competitors.

It is a fact that our major final record is worse than that of our rivals and I want to see that end by a mentally tougher Hibs putting teams away and us not 'looking for positives' when we fail to.

We can start by being more greedy and more hungry for success than we are.

What I object to, is the stated sense of relaxed outlook from fans who are happy with a cup win once a decade and the fact that things are generally OK.

I get that's good enough for some, but I don't think it should be.

This life is far too short to be worried about the cabbage getting beat. Celebrate the wins when they come, forget the rest.

[matty_f]

Despite their impressive league finishes and progress in the cups in the last few years, I don't think Aberdeen's results against the OF show them as being mentally strong.

I don't think they tell us much about their mental strength either way - they tell us that the Glasgow sides spend a hell of a lot more than they do on players, though - and that's probably a more significant factor than mental strength. Neither Celtic or Rangers are complacent against Aberdeen - they will generally lfit their game to play them, so even though Aberdeen will also raise their game, the difference in quality of players will usually come through.

[Stevie Reid]

I don't think they tell us much about their mental strength either way - they tell us that the Glasgow sides spend a hell of a lot more than they do on players, though - and that's probably a more significant factor than mental strength. Neither Celtic or Rangers are complacent against Aberdeen - they will generally lfit their game to play them, so even though Aberdeen will also raise their game, the difference in quality of players will usually come through.

Agree with that overall, Matty - the point was mainly to counter the idea that they were mentally stronger than us last week.

Though last year they lost 9 points to Rangers across the four league games, so they definitely didn't raise their game in those matches!

[BILLYHIBS]

Best post on the thread, IMHO.:greengrin

Where’s my ten out of ten ? 😂

[matty_f]

Agree with that overall, Matty - the point was mainly to counter the idea that they were mentally stronger than us last week.

Though last year they lost 9 points to Rangers across the four league games, so they definitely didn't raise their game in those matches!

I agree :agree:

I did say Rangers raise their game against Aberdeen as well, which is why they tend to do well - better players raising their game will usually beat worse players raising their game.

[Stevie Reid]

I agree :agree:

I did say Rangers raise their game against Aberdeen as well, which is why they tend to do well - better players raising their game will usually beat worse players raising their game.

Can't argue with that, man.

[Hibs1969]

I’m surprised this thread is still running after almost a week but it kind of goes to prove the old saying that opinions are like a*seholes. Everybody’s got one, but they’re all different.

For what it’s worth I was at ER last week and watched us lose a game we completely bossed and came away with mixed feelings about playing well and losing. Then at the weekend I saw us win a scrappy game at St Mirren and came away with mixed feelings about playing below par and winning.

That’s football for you. You win some, you lose some and sometimes there’s a fine line between the two.

[Speedway]

This life is far too short to be worried about the cabbage getting beat. Celebrate the wins when they come, forget the rest.

But MWC, if I did take that approach, what would be the point in following the Hibs?

[My_Wife_Camille]

But MWC, if I did take that approach, what would be the point in following the Hibs?
I don’t know, you tell me :cb

I'll admit I was being a bit cheeky. I was looking (unsuccessfully) for an old thread and came across this post from you in the process and it made me chuckle


What happens when we die? - No-one knows.

Personally, I believe that our existence continues but how, why, what and for how long, I couldn't tell you.

All I can tell you is that this life is far too short to be worried about the cabbage getting beat. Celebrate the wins when they come, forget the rest.

[jacomo]

Aberdeen weren't mentally stronger, it wasn't mental strength that made Agyepong miss his penalty - he was less than an inch away from scoring. Up until that point, the mentally stronger Aberdeen team had had the same number of penalties saved as we had. I would be amazed if McInnes had said we were mentally stronger had the penalties gone the other way.


Bang on.

McInnes is sensitive to accusations that his Aberdeen team are bottlers, because they seem to crumble in every high pressure game (most memorably three seasons ago, when it looked like they were mounting a genuine title challenge.

So they come through a penalty shoot out and he claims it was due to mental strength... please.

People really do need to stop treating managers post match comments as the gospel truth - they are not. Normally, they use them to send messages to their players.

[One Day Soon]

[QUOTE=My_Wife_Camille;5566357]

I don’t know, you tell me :cb

I'll admit I was being a bit cheeky. I was looking (unsuccessfully) for an old thread and came across this post from you in the process and it made me chuckle

http://www.hibs.net/images/hibsnet/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Speedway http://www.hibs.net/images/hibsnet/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?p=3922116#post3922116)
What happens when we die? - No-one knows.

Personally, I believe that our existence continues but how, why, what and for how long, I couldn't tell you.

All I can tell you is that this life is far too short to be worried about the cabbage getting beat. Celebrate the wins when they come, forget the rest.





Ooft.

[SRHibs]

I don’t know, you tell me :cb

I'll admit I was being a bit cheeky. I was looking (unsuccessfully) for an old thread and came across this post from you in the process and it made me chuckle

Hahaha, that is genius.

[FitbaFolkKen]

I don’t know, you tell me :cb

I'll admit I was being a bit cheeky. I was looking (unsuccessfully) for an old thread and came across this post from you in the process and it made me chuckle

Haha brilliant, close the reaction thread!


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[Speedway]

I don’t know, you tell me :cb

I'll admit I was being a bit cheeky. I was looking (unsuccessfully) for an old thread and came across this post from you in the process and it made me chuckle

Yeah I’ve changed my mind.

Have you never, or is Lennon still a fraud?

Lol. Nice hypocrisy there MWC

In the words of the Billy Connolly punchline of old...

‘And you’re telling me to **** off? YOU **** off’

That’s was an absolute gift. Nice one pal!

[Speedway]

Hahaha, that is genius.

No. Theory of evolution is genius. That’s evidence of a changed mind.

You really do struggle, don’t you.

[BILLYHIBS]

[QUOTE=My_Wife_Camille;5566357]

I don’t know, you tell me :cb

I'll admit I was being a bit cheeky. I was looking (unsuccessfully) for an old thread and came across this post from you in the process and it made me chuckle

http://www.hibs.net/images/hibsnet/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Speedway http://www.hibs.net/images/hibsnet/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?p=3922116#post3922116)
What happens when we die? - No-one knows.

Personally, I believe that our existence continues but how, why, what and for how long, I couldn't tell you.

All I can tell you is that this life is far too short to be worried about the cabbage getting beat. Celebrate the wins when they come, forget the rest




Ooft.

This

Contradicts Speedways ramblings on this thread

Well played MWC :thumbsup:

Time to move onto another topic methinks

:faf:

[One Day Soon]

[QUOTE=One Day Soon;5566454]

This

Contradicts Speedways ramblings on this thread

Well played MWC :thumbsup:

Time to move onto another topic methinks

:faf:


Yes, because life is far too short...:greengrin

[Speedway]

[QUOTE=BILLYHIBS;5566562]


Yes, because life is far too short...:greengrin

Pleased with your dig? Good

Now read the response to MWC’s post, because you’ve just taken a dig at him too. Lol.

[One Day Soon]

[QUOTE=One Day Soon;5566596]

Pleased with your dig? Good

Now read the response to MWC’s post, because you’ve just taken a dig at him too. Lol.


Shouldn't you be looking forward to celebrating the next win when it comes...

[Speedway]

[QUOTE=Speedway;5566608]


Shouldn't you be looking forward to celebrating the next win when it comes...

Shouldn’t you be backtracking now that you’ve taken a dig in support of someone who dug up a post in order to take a dig only to find that the poster has done the exact same change of position very recently and now you’re looking like a tool for not knowing that?

It’s ok. I forgive you. Cancel your DD to FoH and give it to HSL instead.

[BILLYHIBS]

[QUOTE=One Day Soon;5566596]

Pleased with your dig? Good

Now read the response to MWC’s post, because you’ve just taken a dig at him too. Lol.

Regardless of the fact you may consider MWC to be a hypocrite or not the post in question was posted by you and is contrary to your stance on this thread and has blown any credibility you might or might not have had out of the water.

[Speedway]

[QUOTE=Speedway;5566608]

Regardless of the fact you may consider MWC to be a hypocrite or not the post in question was posted by you and is contrary to your stance on this thread and has blown any credibility you might or might not have had out of the water.

We’ll try again with you because you’re taking a while to catch up.

If changing mind = credibility blown

Then

Poster who identified this is guilty of same because he gone done da same recently by saying Lennon is a fraud then saying no he isn’t.

Therefore credibility shattered by person with no credibility = zero sum game.

Are you there yet?

[bawheid]

This state of this thread though.

[matty_f]

This state of this thread though.

Yeah, think it's run its course now.