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headshrinker
11-08-2018, 09:42 PM
Just watching Match of the Day and the first game up is Fulham v Chrystal Palace. Gary Lineker says “Fulham celebrated their return to the EPL with a 100 million pound summer spending spree” How can Scotland and many other countries compete with that? Makes me sick!!!

Ryan91
11-08-2018, 11:32 PM
Just watching Match of the Day and the first game up is Fulham v Chrystal Palace. Gary Lineker says “Fulham celebrated their return to the EPL with a 100 million pound summer spending spree” How can Scotland and many other countries compete with that? Makes me sick!!!

The bubble will burst eventually, and when it happens there will be more than a few clubs that go bust

CapitalGreen
11-08-2018, 11:38 PM
The bubble will burst eventually, and when it happens there will be more than a few clubs that go bust

People have been saying the bubble will bust for about 15 years.

Sir David Gray
11-08-2018, 11:39 PM
The bubble will burst eventually, and when it happens there will be more than a few clubs that go bust

It's not going to go burst whilst Sky and BT are in existence.

Oscar T Grouch
11-08-2018, 11:41 PM
We have to accept that English football in monetary terms is far ahead of every league in the world. That means over inflated prices for ***** players just needs to be accepted the bubble may burst but by the looks of it it won’t be soon. There’s still load of cash being pumped into the English game.

monktonharp
11-08-2018, 11:45 PM
People have been saying the bubble will bust for about 15 years.I don't think these people have said it for as long as 15 years.I do look forward to the day it happens though. players in those leagues are getting obscene wages for a start, and I don't want to go all political but it is totally disgusting.

Onceinawhile
11-08-2018, 11:47 PM
Bournemouth spending 2 x our turnover on players. Their stadium holds about 12, 000. Nonsense.

HibeeBigFly
12-08-2018, 12:18 AM
The standard of the EPL is getting worse despite all the investment. The clever marketing can only fool people for so long. Serie A will displace it as the third best league soon imo.

DetroitHibs
12-08-2018, 01:14 AM
If we could get even a quarter the money, our league would be so much better. A great idea would be to combine both league cups. When the quarter finals comes around, both sets of teams from England and Scotland play each other.

ozwoody
12-08-2018, 01:18 AM
Bournemouth spending 2 x our turnover on players. Their stadium holds about 12, 000. Nonsense.

it was mentioned last night that Cardiff had put in a bid of £6 million for a player that went to Bournemouth for £27 million! add his wages on top of that and you can see how some teams are being massively subsidised by the tv companies

DetroitHibs
12-08-2018, 01:28 AM
The SPL needs badly promoted. The brass upstairs don't have the know how or will to promote our game and get a big TV deal.

Centre Hawf
12-08-2018, 01:36 AM
It is becoming obscene levels of money down there for not a lot of quality. I genuinely prefer watching the Championship to the Premiership, a lot of passionate fans, a lot of competitive games, and a new set of challengers for title/promotion/play offs and relegation each year.

I looked at the games today and there is not a chance I'd pay to sit and watch most these sides play a game of football against each other. Too many teams happy to be 10 to 15th but still have to pay about 60 million to be there. Disgusting level of football and I hate to support it because it means Sky telling me that Watford Vs Brighton makes my Sunday "Super".

iwasthere1972
12-08-2018, 01:57 AM
The SPL needs badly promoted. The brass upstairs don't have the know how or will to promote our game and get a big TV deal.

Think it already is badly promoted but I know what you mean. :aok:

Just Jimmy
12-08-2018, 06:44 AM
The standard of the EPL is getting worse despite all the investment. The clever marketing can only fool people for so long. Serie A will displace it as the third best league soon imo.whilst I agree with your sentiment. Apart from Spain in terms of continental success, the English league is more competitive than Spain, Italy France or Germany given these leagues have one or two winners at all times.

Real Madrid, Barcelona
Juventus
PSG
Bayern

they haven't been won by anyone else for years. Often the English league has a different winner every season and games are regularly competive.

it's no where near as bad as folk like to make out, often with jealous eyes. the truth is it's somewhere between as bad as folk say and as brilliant as sky make out. just like every other league in the world.

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Scouse Hibee
12-08-2018, 06:57 AM
The standard of the EPL is getting worse despite all the investment. The clever marketing can only fool people for so long. Serie A will displace it as the third best league soon imo.

The standard really isn’t getting worse at all. It’s a fantastic league attracting top players from all over the world.

CorrieHibs
12-08-2018, 07:04 AM
Just watching Match of the Day and the first game up is Fulham v Chrystal Palace. Gary Lineker says “Fulham celebrated their return to the EPL with a 100 million pound summer spending spree” How can Scotland and many other countries compete with that? Makes me sick!!!

Do you have Sky Sports?

It’s folk in Scotland paying for Sky Sports that helps fund the English teams.

If we started to cancel sky sports they would have to take notice.

Scouse Hibee
12-08-2018, 07:16 AM
Do you have Sky Sports?

It’s folk in Scotland paying for Sky Sports that helps fund the English teams.

If we started to cancel sky sports they would have to take notice.

We also watch SPL on SKY sports in Scotland.

Ich liebe Deek
12-08-2018, 07:31 AM
Do you have Sky Sports?

It’s folk in Scotland paying for Sky Sports that helps fund the English teams.

If we started to cancel sky sports they would have to take notice.

While this is true it will make no impact on the EPL revenue.You go anywhere in the world and see the EPL marketed and consumed by millions of people whether it’s to follow a team or bet on.Think people need to get over the fact we operate at a totally different level.Personally I don’t watch the EPL or any football other than Hibs and the games involving our closest rivals.Modern football is a sham and I’d prefer we never reached that level of madness.

mixumatosis
12-08-2018, 07:39 AM
People have been saying the bubble will bust for about 15 years.

I don't think they were saying it was going to burst tomorrow though, were they? Because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean that it won't.

McD
12-08-2018, 07:47 AM
Do you have Sky Sports?

It’s folk in Scotland paying for Sky Sports that helps fund the English teams.

If we started to cancel sky sports they would have to take notice.


Do you think it’s only people in Scotland that pay for sky sports?

Cocaine&Caviar
12-08-2018, 07:51 AM
whilst I agree with your sentiment. Apart from Spain in terms of continental success, the English league is more competitive than Spain, Italy France or Germany given these leagues have one or two winners at all times.


PSG


they haven't been won by anyone else for years. Often the English league has a different winner every season

2007/08 Lyon
2008/09 Bordeaux
2009/10 Marseille
2010/11 Lille
2011/12 Montpellier
2016/17 Monaco

Is It On....
12-08-2018, 07:55 AM
Just watching Match of the Day and the first game up is Fulham v Chrystal Palace. Gary Lineker says “Fulham celebrated their return to the EPL with a 100 million pound summer spending spree” How can Scotland and many other countries compete with that? Makes me sick!!!

Unfortunately it's not just England...whilst not in the same "league", apparently the TV money in Holland is €80m per annum. We [Scotland] really are paupers in the European arena 🙁

Just Jimmy
12-08-2018, 08:00 AM
2007/08 Lyon
2008/09 Bordeaux
2009/10 Marseille
2010/11 Lille
2011/12 Montpellier
2016/17 Monacoexcellent retort...whilst I enjoy French football, I hope you're not suggesting that the French league is better that the EPL?

bar Monaco who were also propped up with wads of cash, the last of those was six years ago. meanwhile the English league has been won by a different winner each year since 09-10. with the last time it was won 3 years in a row by the same side coming 06-09.

the standard also far surpasses the French league.

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Keyser Sauzee
12-08-2018, 08:01 AM
How much does Scottish football get from the current TV deal?

headshrinker
12-08-2018, 08:03 AM
Do you have Sky Sports?

It’s folk in Scotland paying for Sky Sports that helps fund the English teams.

If we started to cancel sky sports they would have to take notice.


Nope no sky sports here. However, I think Scotland’s contribution is minuscule in the broad scale of things. We don’t make that match of a difference. It’s a global thing. I have no figures, other than our population. Just my opinion.

McD
12-08-2018, 08:04 AM
I assume it’s because of the Sky link, but I find it really interesting that there’s rarely criticism of Italian, French, Spanish, American clubs spending vast sums on players and wages. In England it’s more visible, and possibly more frequent, but it happens in all these places and others.

Betty Boop
12-08-2018, 08:10 AM
The standard really isn’t getting worse at all. It’s a fantastic league attracting top players from all over the world.

Couldn't agree more.

Is It On....
12-08-2018, 08:12 AM
I assume it’s because of the Sky link, but I find it really interesting that there’s rarely criticism of Italian, French, Spanish, American clubs spending vast sums on players and wages. In England it’s more visible, and possibly more frequent, but it happens in all these places and others.

The German "Sky Deutschland" deal is worth >€1bn per annum..

Onion
12-08-2018, 08:17 AM
Just watching Match of the Day and the first game up is Fulham v Chrystal Palace. Gary Lineker says “Fulham celebrated their return to the EPL with a 100 million pound summer spending spree” How can Scotland and many other countries compete with that? Makes me sick!!!

Prices are ridiculously overinflated in England and many of the players who move for tens of millions are not worth it. It is Monopoly money to most clubs. If it was all about money, Aberdeen should have been hammered by Burnley.

Vini1875
12-08-2018, 08:35 AM
How many are going to complain when John McGinn moves for crazy money and we reap the benefit? The money down south is mad, but I think there is a lot of jealousy, there would be very little criticism if football in Scotland was funded by massive TV investment.

It is what it is.

superfurryhibby
12-08-2018, 08:41 AM
Can anyone explain why the Scottish Tv revenues are so low, even whilst compared to countries like Norway, Greece, Hungary etc. Surely our game has more appeal than those leagues to a broader audience?

Is it a hangover from our failed SPL football fiasco all those years ago?

GloryGlory
12-08-2018, 08:46 AM
Bournemouth spending 2 x our turnover on players. Their stadium holds about 12, 000. Nonsense.

I posted this a few days ago:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jun/06/premier-league-finances-club-guide-2016-17

Bournemouth match income £5m but TV income £124m.

Totally bonkers! Clubs like Bournemouth, Swansea and Burnley are not getting much more income from gates than Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen (if you discount a factor because the average ticket prices are higher just because it is the EPL). However, whereas Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen are getting £1-2m TV money, the EPL clubs mentioned are each getting well over £100m TV money.


I know our TV deal is awful, but £100m+ a year to drift around the lower reaches of the EPL and make up the fixture list for TV is totally crazy.

GloryGlory
12-08-2018, 08:48 AM
Can anyone explain why the Scottish Tv revenues are so low, even whilst compared to countries like Norway, Greece, Hungary etc. Surely our game has more appeal than those leagues to a broader audience?

Is it a hangover from our failed SPL football fiasco all those years ago?

Because we have rubbish negotiators in charge of our game.

SirDavidsNapper
12-08-2018, 08:49 AM
AFC Fylde have bid £150k for Shankland of Ayr United

Tyler Durden
12-08-2018, 08:49 AM
Do you have Sky Sports?

It’s folk in Scotland paying for Sky Sports that helps fund the English teams.

If we started to cancel sky sports they would have to take notice.

No they wouldn’t. This is the logic of Rangers fans to be honest - totally misguided

Tyler Durden
12-08-2018, 08:53 AM
The standard really isn’t getting worse at all. It’s a fantastic league attracting top players from all over the world.

One thing that reduces the appeal to me is the increased number of traditionally smaller teams, Brighton, Bournemouth, Burnley etc. Even if they wouldn’t perform much better the likes of Leeds and Villa and their fam base would bring more to the league.

Clearly it’s part of the game but I struggle to get interested in Watford vs Brighton

Colr
12-08-2018, 08:57 AM
The bubble will burst eventually, and when it happens there will be more than a few clubs that go bust

Can’t see how it would burst. It’s a mix of TV money and debt to wealthy individuals. As long as the wealthy keep getting interest on their debt and they can sell player on to one another, it will continue.

Not so different from the art world. Things are worth what people are prepared to pay for them - people, in this case, being hugely wealthy individuals.

superfurryhibby
12-08-2018, 08:57 AM
Because we have rubbish negotiators in charge of our game.

I suspect the people in charge of our game could probably manage to ask for more cash, there has to be a better reason why our revenue is so low compared to clubs in the leagues I mentioned. Who wants to watch Rosenberg v Molde, or Honved v Ferencvaros, aside from Norweedgies and Hungarians?

Colr
12-08-2018, 09:00 AM
How much does Scottish football get from the current TV deal?

Couple of carrier bag full of empty juice bottles.

GloryGlory
12-08-2018, 09:03 AM
I suspect the people in charge of our game could probably manage to ask for more cash, there has to be a better reason why our revenue is so low compared to clubs in the leagues I mentioned. Who wants to watch Rosenberg v Molde, or Honved v Ferencvaros, aside from Norweedgies and Hungarians?

I hope the next time we negotiate a deal we ask for a realistic price and are prepared to walk away if the money is not forthcoming.

Halmyre Hibee
12-08-2018, 09:03 AM
How much does Scottish football get from the current TV deal?


https://i2-prod.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article10124868.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Screen-Shot-2017-03-30-at-000635.png

superfurryhibby
12-08-2018, 09:13 AM
How do the Danes and Norweedgies get so much?

Imagine if our clubs got similar, surely we would see an equivalent rise in our teams performance levels in European competition?

Keyser Sauzee
12-08-2018, 09:16 AM
Obviously I want Scotland to get more money but not to the detriment of youth coming thru at clubs which I think would happen if we were to receive more tv money.

Sammy7nil
12-08-2018, 09:21 AM
It's not going to go burst whilst Sky and BT are in existence.

The move to streaming may mean Sky or BY go bust first.

Barman Stanton
12-08-2018, 09:26 AM
https://i2-prod.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article10124868.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Screen-Shot-2017-03-30-at-000635.png

That just shows how inept the people running out game is. As much as we hate them, the Old Firm game is probably watched more all over the world than any game in the majority of those leagues. There must be a better tv deal to be had out there.

Paul1642
12-08-2018, 09:31 AM
How do the Danes and Norweedgies get so much?

Imagine if our clubs got similar, surely we would see an equivalent rise in our teams performance levels in European competition?

Worth noting the value of their currency. Things cost twice as much over there so with the exception of transfer fees all their costs will in theory be double.

Onion
12-08-2018, 09:34 AM
A key advantage in Scotland is that a clubs revenue and spend on players is mainly driven by fan support. Ok Celtic get £££ from CL but on the whole the better players gravitate to the best supported clubs. Look at Hibs. 14k season tickets buys us Neil Lennon and an excellent squad of players. If we had Sky money up here, ticket revenue would be dwarfed and you’d find Livi, Dundee and the likes attracting players on same wages as Hibs, with crowds a third the size. It’s a distortion of the market.

norhfc
12-08-2018, 09:43 AM
Although the money in EPL is obscene what annoys me more is the Doncasters and Port Vale’s who despite there low attendances can attract quality players by huge wages, the money filters down through the leagues. Read somewhere the Championship is the 5th richest league in the world. Hibs with average 18000 last year are poppers in comparison. Our top brass really need a better tv deal as I think our league is getting more interesting every year. It needs investment badly.

Pagan Hibernia
12-08-2018, 09:58 AM
How many are going to complain when John McGinn moves for crazy money and we reap the benefit? The money down south is mad, but I think there is a lot of jealousy, there would be very little criticism if football in Scotland was funded by massive TV investment.

It is what it is.

this is true of some people but not others.

i know of people in England who have lost all interest in the premier league because they can’t identify with it anymore. The money is mind boggling and they don’t feel any sort of communal connection to their club that they used to have. Granted they aren’t missed by the clubs when they cancel their season tickets that they’ve had for maybe 30 or 40 years through good times and bad, because there will always be people to replace them, but I still find that sad.

Its why non league and lower league football down south has become more popular recently.

no-one can dispute the quality of the football in the English premier league. But I do feel that something more important is being lost.

while I don’t ever foresee Scotland getting the same sort of investment we should be careful what we wish for.

EricStoner
12-08-2018, 10:55 AM
Scotland's figure seems within normal parameters, based on the TV deals in a number of countries on that graphic. The deals in Sweden, Austria & Switzerland - countries with populations of 8 to 10 million - are similar. Combining the words "Portugal" and "football" will get you a reaction internationally. Combining "Scotland" and "football" won't. Is Rangers v. Celtic really any more captivating than Boca v. River?
Comparing any league anywhere to the English Premier League is a long way from being an "apples for apples" comparison.
The bottom line is economics. Scotland is still a largely mono-ethnic and mono-cultural backwater. The percentage of the world's population that knows Scotland exists is surprisingly small. The country attracts little foreign "investment" of the type that flows into London and which makes London the capital of the world. Large numbers of "investors" in London are loaded with "new money." They are from backgrounds that find football attractive.
Traditional European aristocracy "old money" and American "old money" is rarely invested in football. Nor is it invested in gold-plated Lamborghinis. Or at the tables of London's rapidly multiplying casinos.
"Vulgar" is the word that springs to mind.
London is an incredible place. It's the bubble of London's economy that produces the byproduct of the English Premier League bubble.
To say that London's increasing affluence is the result of money-laundering isn't strictly true. However, the UK's ridiculously inept legislation on transparency for offshore companies and its proliferation of tax loopholes means money-laundering on a massive scale is almost certainly easier and more profitable to accomplish via setting-up murky offshore companies and buying property in the UK than any other method. Most of the investment in London is by Russians, Arabs, Malaysians, Chinese - especially Chinese - and other dubious "got rich quick" overseas spivs buying vast quantities of property. Many of them also buy businesses - principally in the leisure sector.
They invest in London because The Party, His Majesty, El Presidente or Comrade Putin can't suddenly enact legislation that greatly devalues - or appropriates😂 - their investment.
Comrade Corbyn or Mayor Sadiq Khan could suggest a massive tax or even a ban on property purchases by foreigners. That's hardly radical. There are lots of places where one must be a citizen, resident, tax-payer or all three in order to buy property.
No such noises coming from those directions though. London's housing crisis continues to escalate. As does the scale of residential property development in prime areas of the English capital. Most of it bought by overseas "businessmen" as an investment. Their kids can stay in it while doing eyewateringly expensive degrees at Imperial College or the London School of Economics - two institutions whose own recent property purchases in South Kensington and Bloomsbury, neither exactly ghettos, have seen them become inner-city suburbs in themselves.
Whilst in London, the "investors" see toys. They like toys. They buy toys. Football clubs are excellent toys. Hours of interactive fun for all the family. These "investors" own companies back home. Marketing their toy through these companies can help recoup the purchase price of the toy or at least contribute towards the toy's running costs.
Of course, it would be a lot better for the planet's economy as a whole if the mega-rich invested their billions in their own countries. London's economy is nice for the Poles, Filipinos, Brazilians, Ghanaians etc. who work for £8.50 per hour serving you coffee in Starbucks or delivering your Domino's pizza. They can send some much needed money home. It would benefit a hell of a lot more working class people in poor countries if the rich people in those countries invested their money in creating wealth (& jobs) back home. Could even invest it in football or other youth/community projects for poor kids... But then that applies equally to those domestic idiots funding Kelty Hearts, Salford City and Billericay Town.
Can't see it happening soon though.
While London continues to get rich on dubious financial practices, the English Premier League will continue to fall into the beady-eyed glances of the culturally diverse selection of the planet's mafiosi who are attracted to London.
The crane numbers on London's skyline suggests Brexit is having as much effect on keeping down invasive parasites as DDT had on keeping down invasive parasites that developed resistance in the 1950s.
While London's bubble keeps growing, the English Premier League bubble is safe.
I've composed this rant on a phone while bouncing about on a train. A bit of time to kill. Hope it makes some sort of sense.

superfurryhibby
12-08-2018, 11:20 AM
In response to Eric Stoner........

Scotland is far from being mono ethnic or a mono cultural backwater... we have world known universities, science and technology, musicians, authors, actors....what a cringeworthy statement!

There are no Portuguese teams called River ior Boca and I would suggest that Scotland as a country is known throughout the world, that’s why we attract tourism from across the globe. That in it’s self generates serious economic benefits.


Still baffled how the Danish league generates more than double the cash that ours does. No one seems to be able to explain this. I wonder what the people who run our game would say to that question?

IGRIGI
12-08-2018, 11:28 AM
I think the "our game is total ***** but we've got 4 Old Frim derbies a season!!" marketing from the suits explains the TV deal money.

Colr
12-08-2018, 11:40 AM
https://i2-prod.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article10124868.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Screen-Shot-2017-03-30-at-000635.png

Yup. That’s a pretty shabby deal the SPL are getting.

EricStoner
12-08-2018, 11:50 AM
In response to Eric Stoner........

Scotland as a country is known throughout the world


Really?
1,000 urban Chinese. All in 1m+ population cities. Randomly selected. Asked if they can point to Scotland on a map.
Sweep. Fiver in each. Pick the number of the 1,000 Chinese who can point to Scotland. Closest takes the pot. You put in your fiver. What number would you go for?
I'd go well below 50.

EricStoner
12-08-2018, 12:00 PM
In response to Eric Stoner........

Scotland is far from being mono ethnic or a mono cultural backwater... we have world known universities, science and technology, musicians, authors, actors


Seriously? Even in Seoul, Kuala Lumpur or Taipei, how many locals wearing English Premier League club shirts would you need to ask, "Can you name a Scottish university?" before you got a correct answer? 100? Musician? You'd be there a year. Author? Let's hope funeral & repatriation arrangements are part of your travel insurance. May as well walk around Inverness asking if anyone could name a leading Indian kabaddi star or a musician from Equatorial Guinea.

Winston Ingram
12-08-2018, 12:00 PM
The bubble will burst eventually, and when it happens there will be more than a few clubs that go bust

I don’t think it will. I can only see it continuing to increase. The domestic money is slowing down but the worldwide money is continuing to rise. Amazon are now involved and once that takes off its going to rocket even further.

On top of that, the NBA, NFL bubble has never burst. They pay bigger wages than the Premier League.

Winston Ingram
12-08-2018, 12:04 PM
In response to Eric Stoner........

Scotland is far from being mono ethnic or a mono cultural backwater... we have world known universities, science and technology, musicians, authors, actors....what a cringeworthy statement!

There are no Portuguese teams called River ior Boca and I would suggest that Scotland as a country is known throughout the world, that’s why we attract tourism from across the globe. That in it’s self generates serious economic benefits.


Still baffled how the Danish league generates more than double the cash that ours does. No one seems to be able to explain this. I wonder what the people who run our game would say to that question?

It generates less purely down to the incompetence of our governing bodies.

All the other bodies talk up their game. Ours does the opposite and believes the only sellable aspect of our game is the Old Firm.

Gloucester Hibs
12-08-2018, 12:17 PM
Seriously? Even in Seoul, Kuala Lumpur or Taipei, how many locals wearing English Premier League club shirts would you need to ask, "Can you name a Scottish university?" before you got a correct answer? 100? Musician? You'd be there a year. Author? Let's hope funeral & repatriation arrangements are part of your travel insurance. May as well walk around Inverness asking if anyone could name a leading Indian kabaddi star or a musician from Equatorial Guinea.

You could easy flip that one on it’s head. Your posting style reminds me of particular previous poster on the Bounce. Hopefully not as he was an erse..

WhileTheChief..
12-08-2018, 12:29 PM
Is it down the authorities here or is it simply lack of demand?

Most teams barely get a few thousand to turn up each weekend to watch them.

Where are the hundreds of thousands of armchair fans required to ensure that tv companies pay more?

Te viewing figures for most games here, other than the old firm, are minuscule. In these other countries they have audiences of millions, we simply don’t.

If we did, the tv companies would charge a hell of a lot more for advertising and in return would pay more to show our game.

Scotland has extremely passionate fans about football, but not nearly enough of them.

WhileTheChief..
12-08-2018, 12:38 PM
Another point to consider.

BT recently stopped showing the Italian league as they didn’t want to pay more for it.

They don’t show the Norwegian League, or the Slovakian one or whatever. Why? Because there isn’t the interest in them in the UK. We want the German, Italian, Spanish and French leagues.

So BT or Sky pay millions to these countries for the rights to show their leagues. Similarly these other countries pay billions to show the English game.

Which other countires are out there wanting to pay to show the SPFL?

Now you could argue that it’s up to the authorities to make the sales pitch and get these deals but I’d suggest that’s a pretty hard sell when folk living a stones throw from their own stadiums don’t even care!

Its just the way it is. These leagues operate on a different planet to the rest of the game. It won’t end any time soon but it’s basically going to be a cartel of the top 10 or clubs playing each other.

Theyll soon get bored when Madrid win everything each year.

Meanwhile the rest of us throughout Europe can crack on.

EricStoner
12-08-2018, 12:38 PM
In response to Eric Stoner
Still baffled how the Danish league generates more than double the cash that ours does. No one seems to be able to explain this. I wonder what the people who run our game would say to that question?

I'm hearing Ivor Cutler reciting "Gruts for Tea" at this point.
We are not indentured labour. We ain't working for the company store. We are not paid in truck or tokens. We are not pre-Bosman footballers.
There is a hugely competitive market economy out there for sports coverage. Especially football coverage.
Elevensports.com, an on-line company, has exclusive rights to the USPGA golf taking place right now. The same company has bought rights to several top European football leagues. I'm not sure how people who bought 40-inch plasmas to go with their Sky and BT subs will react to coverage moving to their i-phone😂.
Just as there will be popular heartfelt "Mason / Feenyin / **** in the black / SFA boardoom" threads on here, as well as the odd thread mentioning Asian bookies and matches featuring strange events, a thread in which posters genuinely hold that incompetent blazers are failing to secure easily achievable deals for TV coverage will attract plenty of nodding dogs.
I personally doubt if the initial contact in the aforementioned Elevensports.com on-line deals was an e-mail from a Serie A blazer to an Italian spiv along the lines of, "Pssst! Fancy setting-up an online service to show our games?" but it might have been. In general, though, commercial departments at all football associations and leagues - Scottish ones included - maintain lines of communication with all the major broadcasters on the matter of TV rights. Anyone who believes the SFA & SPFL marketing boys are not regularly in contact with broadcasters is entitled to voice their view. As they are entitled to voice their views on masons in black, moon missions to the Nevada desert or Prince Philip's motoring skills being utilised in a Paris underpass.
Maybe an aggressive approach of asking broadcasters for, say, "£50m per season. Take it or leave it" would pay dividends... Dividends of £50m per year. Maybe it wouldn't. Maybe it's been tried, the SFA/SPFL bluff was called & they backed down.
Perhaps Danes watch football on TV in preference to attending games. Perhaps subscriptions in Denmark are higher. Perhaps companies advertising on TV coverage tend to be more "blue chip" in Denmark, attracting higher rates and a more affluent class of potential customer than Ray Winstone's "Check ahhht Bet Free Six Fahhve, fahrawwwl da odds."
Little point in telling all this to someone who probably believes Ivor Cutler's poetry makes the literary merit of the Koran in Classical Arabic look like Phil MacGiollabhain's blog.

Edit: G - u - N - t gets starred out on here😨?... & I hate phone spell checkers😬

Lago
12-08-2018, 12:49 PM
Just watching Match of the Day and the first game up is Fulham v Chrystal Palace. Gary Lineker says “Fulham celebrated their return to the EPL with a 100 million pound summer spending spree” How can Scotland and many other countries compete with that? Makes me sick!!!
They can't & never will now, that ship has sailed.

superfurryhibby
12-08-2018, 12:50 PM
I'm hearing Ivor Cutler reciting "Gruts for Tea" at this point.
We are not indentured labour. We ain't working for the company store. We are not paid in truck or tokens. We are not pre-Bosman footballers.
There is a hugely competitive market economy out there for sports coverage. Especially football coverage.
Elevensports.com, an on-line company, has exclusive rights to the USPGA golf taking place right now. The same company has bought rights to several top European football leagues. I'm not sure how people who bought 40-inch plasmas to go with their Sky and BT subs will react to coverage moving to their i-phone😂.
Just as there will be popular heartfelt "Mason / Feenyin / **** in the black / SFA boardoom" threads on here, as well as the odd thread mentioning Asian bookies and matches featuring strange events, a thread in which posters genuinely hold that incompetent blazers are failing to secure easily achievable deals for TV coverage will attract plenty of nodding dogs.
I personally doubt if the initial contact in the aforementioned Elevensports.com on-line deals was an e-mail from a Serie A blazer to an Italian spiv along the lines of, "Pssst! Fancy setting-up an online service to show our games?" but it might have been. In general, though, commercial departments at all football associations and leagues - Scottish ones included - maintain lines of communication with all the major broadcasters on the matter of TV rights. Anyone who believes the SFA & SPFL marketing boys are not regularly in contact with broadcasters is entitled to voice their view. As they are entitled to voice their views on masons in black, moon missions to the Nevada desert or Prince Philip's motoring skills being utilised in a Paris underpass.
Maybe an aggressive approach of asking broadcasters for, say, "£50m per season. Take it or leave it" would pay dividends... Dividends of £50m per year. Maybe it wouldn't. Maybe it's been tried, the SFA/SPFL bluff was called & they backed down.
Perhaps Danes watch football on TV in preference to attending games. Perhaps subscriptions in Denmark are higher. Perhaps companies advertising on TV coverage tend to be more "blue chip" in Denmark, attracting higher rates and a more affluent class of potential customer than Ray Winstone's "Check ahhht Bet Free Six Fahhve, fahrawwwl da odds."
Little point in telling all this to someone who probably believes Ivor Cutler's poetry makes the literary merit of the Koran in Classical Arabic look like Phil MacGiollabhain's blog.

Edit: G - u - N - t gets starred out on here😨?... & I hate phone spell checkers😬

So what your’re saying is that you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about?

lord bunberry
12-08-2018, 01:00 PM
I'm hearing Ivor Cutler reciting "Gruts for Tea" at this point.
We are not indentured labour. We ain't working for the company store. We are not paid in truck or tokens. We are not pre-Bosman footballers.
There is a hugely competitive market economy out there for sports coverage. Especially football coverage.
Elevensports.com, an on-line company, has exclusive rights to the USPGA golf taking place right now. The same company has bought rights to several top European football leagues. I'm not sure how people who bought 40-inch plasmas to go with their Sky and BT subs will react to coverage moving to their i-phone😂.
Just as there will be popular heartfelt "Mason / Feenyin / **** in the black / SFA boardoom" threads on here, as well as the odd thread mentioning Asian bookies and matches featuring strange events, a thread in which posters genuinely hold that incompetent blazers are failing to secure easily achievable deals for TV coverage will attract plenty of nodding dogs.
I personally doubt if the initial contact in the aforementioned Elevensports.com on-line deals was an e-mail from a Serie A blazer to an Italian spiv along the lines of, "Pssst! Fancy setting-up an online service to show our games?" but it might have been. In general, though, commercial departments at all football associations and leagues - Scottish ones included - maintain lines of communication with all the major broadcasters on the matter of TV rights. Anyone who believes the SFA & SPFL marketing boys are not regularly in contact with broadcasters is entitled to voice their view. As they are entitled to voice their views on masons in black, moon missions to the Nevada desert or Prince Philip's motoring skills being utilised in a Paris underpass.
Maybe an aggressive approach of asking broadcasters for, say, "£50m per season. Take it or leave it" would pay dividends... Dividends of £50m per year. Maybe it wouldn't. Maybe it's been tried, the SFA/SPFL bluff was called & they backed down.
Perhaps Danes watch football on TV in preference to attending games. Perhaps subscriptions in Denmark are higher. Perhaps companies advertising on TV coverage tend to be more "blue chip" in Denmark, attracting higher rates and a more affluent class of potential customer than Ray Winstone's "Check ahhht Bet Free Six Fahhve, fahrawwwl da odds."
Little point in telling all this to someone who probably believes Ivor Cutler's poetry makes the literary merit of the Koran in Classical Arabic look like Phil MacGiollabhain's blog.

Edit: G - u - N - t gets starred out on here😨?... & I hate phone spell checkers😬
Just because a channel is only available online doesn’t mean you can’t watch it on your tv. I was watching the golf on eleven sports last night on tv.

EricStoner
12-08-2018, 01:05 PM
So what your’re saying is that you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about?

Aye. To an extent.
I've no idea how negotiations go between TV firms & Hampden. I doubt anyone on here has.
I'm only guessing as to reasons other countries get better TV deals.
Why do folk buy Coca-Cola more than other brands? Is it better? Is it just marketed more cleverly? Is it just fashion?
If companies in a sophisticated market are not paying as much for product A as they are for product B, then there's likely to be a sound reason for it.
Even if product A is better, would the cost of marketing it to replace product B be worth it?
Problem though, isn't it? Sort of Catch-22.
It's the TV companies that market the English Premier League. Marketing football without TV firms is difficult. The English Premier League more or less fluked the launchpad for its position when Murdoch threw large sums of money at it. Most analysts thought he significantly over paid.

nellio
12-08-2018, 01:08 PM
Fulham and Wolves are going to be in deep trouble if they go down. Fully expecting my team Cardiff to go down but we've only spent about 25 million on players so we won't be in a huge mess. If we can somehow battle and survive then we will be in a great position financially.

Colr
12-08-2018, 01:16 PM
Fulham and Wolves are going to be in deep trouble if they go down. Fully expecting my team Cardiff to go down but we've only spent about 25 million on players so we won't be in a huge mess. If we can somehow battle and survive then we will be in a great position financially.

Sell the expensive players, trouser the parachute payment and then start the whole cycle again.

superfurryhibby
12-08-2018, 03:02 PM
Aye. To an extent.
I've no idea how negotiations go between TV firms & Hampden. I doubt anyone on here has.
I'm only guessing as to reasons other countries get better TV deals.
Why do folk buy Coca-Cola more than other brands? Is it better? Is it just marketed more cleverly? Is it just fashion?
If companies in a sophisticated market are not paying as much for product A as they are for product B, then there's likely to be a sound reason for it.
Even if product A is better, would the cost of marketing it to replace product B be worth it?
Problem though, isn't it? Sort of Catch-22.
It's the TV companies that market the English Premier League. Marketing football without TV firms is difficult. The English Premier League more or less fluked the launchpad for its position when Murdoch threw large sums of money at it. Most analysts thought he significantly over paid.

Most of this I understand:aok:

With my limited insight, I would guess that Scottish football is watched by more people domestically and generates more international interest than the likes of the Danish, Norweigian, Hungarian leagues?

Maybe that is wrong of course, but if correct then there is some strange disconnect between the market size and the value attached to the product. Can the Danish League really be worth twice as much as ours? Seems bizarre to me.

CorrieHibs
12-08-2018, 03:24 PM
Do you think it’s only people in Scotland that pay for sky sports?

Of course not. However, we contribute to it by funding English sides. Whilst our teams get very little

CorrieHibs
12-08-2018, 03:25 PM
No they wouldn’t. This is the logic of Rangers fans to be honest - totally misguided

Explain?

Cocaine&Caviar
12-08-2018, 05:16 PM
excellent retort...whilst I enjoy French football, I hope you're not suggesting that the French league is better that the EPL?

bar Monaco who were also propped up with wads of cash, the last of those was six years ago. meanwhile the English league has been won by a different winner each year since 09-10. with the last time it was won 3 years in a row by the same side coming 06-09.

the standard also far surpasses the French league.

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No not at all, i just didnt think France deserved to be included in your list

Just Jimmy
13-08-2018, 04:26 AM
No not at all, i just didnt think France deserved to be included in your listFair enough. The point was the EPL gets slammed on here relentlessly, yet it is more competive- as in a different winner- that most other major leagues. I won't argue on entertainment level as I love German football and I enjoy the French league. They are just different.

I just find it daft when some people go out their way to label it the third best league etc which, in imo, is an attempt to look clever. when in reality it's competitive, generally exciting and the best players want to play in it.



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Winston Ingram
13-08-2018, 05:56 AM
Fulham and Wolves are going to be in deep trouble if they go down. Fully expecting my team Cardiff to go down but we've only spent about 25 million on players so we won't be in a huge mess. If we can somehow battle and survive then we will be in a great position financially.

Fulham’s owner is loaded. They’ll be fine. Wolves have super agent Jorge Mendes involved who is probably the most connected person in football. If they need to sell any players they’ll get top dollar

Winston Ingram
13-08-2018, 06:01 AM
Of course not. However, we contribute to it by funding English sides. Whilst our teams get very little

Scotland does but ye’ve got to remember there are only 5m people in Scotland. There are 55m in England.

I’m not sure there are stacks of Sky Sports subscribers in the 5m.

killie-hibby
13-08-2018, 06:25 AM
Scotland does but ye’ve got to remember there are only 5m people in Scotland. There are 55m in England.

I’m not sure there are stacks of Sky Sports subscribers in the 5m.


SFA/SPFL should request a pro rata payment based on Sky Sports contributions from Scotland. That would be approximately 9% of the amount given to the English leagues.

CorrieHibs
13-08-2018, 07:41 AM
Scotland does but ye’ve got to remember there are only 5m people in Scotland. There are 55m in England.

I’m not sure there are stacks of Sky Sports subscribers in the 5m.

I’m not saying there isn’t. You are missing my point.

w pilton hibby
13-08-2018, 09:32 AM
SPFL chiefs ‘rip up TV deal’ five years early

More at: https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/competitions/premiership/spfl-chiefs-rip-up-tv-deal-five-years-early-1-4782916

One Day Soon
13-08-2018, 09:41 AM
I'd say the best European leagues are Spain, England and Germany - in that order. Then Italy coming up fast on the rails. All the rest are quite a good bit behind in terms of both quality and strength in depth.

Winston Ingram
13-08-2018, 10:02 AM
I’m not saying there isn’t. You are missing my point.

What is your point?

Winston Ingram
13-08-2018, 10:04 AM
SFA/SPFL should request a pro rata payment based on Sky Sports contributions from Scotland. That would be approximately 9% of the amount given to the English leagues.

How would that work? There are lots of sports included in a monthly subscription.

vahibbie
13-08-2018, 02:17 PM
Really?
1,000 urban Chinese. All in 1m+ population cities. Randomly selected. Asked if they can point to Scotland on a map.
Sweep. Fiver in each. Pick the number of the 1,000 Chinese who can point to Scotland. Closest takes the pot. You put in your fiver. What number would you go for?
I'd go well below 50.

Urban Chinese are notoriously p!sh at geography.:greengrin

I'm relatively well travelled and although a lot of people identify England and UK as being one and the same Scotland by itself is very well known.
BTW, I'd suggest the same Chinese would also struggle to pinpoint England on a map.

jgl07
13-08-2018, 02:19 PM
I don't think they were saying it was going to burst tomorrow though, were they? Because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean that it won't.
Dream on!

danhibees1875
13-08-2018, 02:30 PM
Another point to consider.

BT recently stopped showing the Italian league as they didn’t want to pay more for it.

They don’t show the Norwegian League, or the Slovakian one or whatever. Why? Because there isn’t the interest in them in the UK. We want the German, Italian, Spanish and French leagues.

So BT or Sky pay millions to these countries for the rights to show their leagues. Similarly these other countries pay billions to show the English game.

Which other countires are out there wanting to pay to show the SPFL?

Now you could argue that it’s up to the authorities to make the sales pitch and get these deals but I’d suggest that’s a pretty hard sell when folk living a stones throw from their own stadiums don’t even care!

Its just the way it is. These leagues operate on a different planet to the rest of the game. It won’t end any time soon but it’s basically going to be a cartel of the top 10 or clubs playing each other.

Theyll soon get bored when Madrid win everything each year.

Meanwhile the rest of us throughout Europe can crack on.

I agree with a lot of what you say here - and often think that the deal can be over exaggerated just to use as a stick to beat the SFA with -...but how are we lagging behind Denmark, Norway, and Sweden then? Hate them or loathe them, Sevco v Celtc surely generates more interest than anything they serve up, with Hibs, Aberdeen, Hearts all providing relatively in-demand games also.... maybe I'm just being extremely ignorant with that point of view though. :dunno:

SRHibs
13-08-2018, 02:34 PM
I don’t understand how 1000 Chinese peoples’ geography skills has any bearing on how ethnically diverse Scotland is. Surely we have to look within the country itself to determine that.

Scotland has a great culture though, IMO. I don’t think it’s fair to call it a “backwater”. I think Scotland’s population as a whole is extremely welcoming to people from all walks of life, while still retaining our own heritage and culture.

timewilltell
13-08-2018, 02:56 PM
Couldn't agree more.

Agreed.

the EPL is marketed very effectively. It’s a big brand, a graat product and is watched by millions around the world.

The sponsorship and TV deals are huge and provide millions to the Premiership clubs exactly for that reason. It’s in demand. Games across the English Premiership are sold out every week.

By contrast our game is poorly marketed. There was under 5k at Perth yesterday and to be honest, nobody outside Scotland would pay to watch St Johnstone v Hibs.

its the harsh reality I’m afraid.

GillyHibee
13-08-2018, 03:09 PM
Until the SPFL bears more competition in who will win the league, there wont be any level of interest. Every season, its either been Celtic or Rangers who have won the league. No competition.

Unfortunately, that is just the way it is. If the trumpets running the SFA didn't opt for Setanta Sports then we could be in a different position today, where we would receive a better TV income, but nevertheless, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

imo, merging of smaller city teams, such as Dundee and Dundee UTD, would provide a lot more competition, due to combined stadiums, fans and money.

quite interested to hear other folks thoughts on this?

SingaporeHibs
13-08-2018, 03:21 PM
Will be interesting to see what happens when the biggest English sides decide negotiating and selling their own rights globally suits them best. Pay per view per game, or monthly or season ticket. Then we’ll see what deal is made and how the league divides financially. Will only suit 4 or 5 clubs but will they care, I doubt it. Perhaps a step closer to a proper ‘elite’ European league.

ScottB
13-08-2018, 03:32 PM
Nobody owes Scottish football a living, least of all Sky. Market rate, they pay the least they can get away with, for all the content they have. As crazy as it sounds, the billions they throw at the EPL was the minimum they felt they could bid and still secure what they wanted.

For Scottish football to be worth more, you need both more competition, and more interest.


As for the crazy fees, I wonder if the likes of SJM excell, following in Andrew Robertson’s wake, might lead to more clubs looking up here instead of being expected to pay £15 - £20million for comparable players already in England. This could drive our own fees upwards over time.

WhileTheChief..
13-08-2018, 03:36 PM
There was under 5k at Perth yesterday and to be honest, nobody outside Scotland would pay to watch St Johnstone v Hibs.

its the harsh reality I’m afraid.

This sums up the issue in a nutshell.

No point blaming the SFA or SPFL, we just need to accept that we are a smal fish in a big pond and get on with it the best we can.

jgl07
13-08-2018, 04:00 PM
Until the SPFL bears more competition in who will win the league, there wont be any level of interest. Every season, its either been Celtic or Rangers who have won the league. No competition.

Unfortunately, that is just the way it is. If the trumpets running the SFA didn't opt for Setanta Sports then we could be in a different position today, where we would receive a better TV income, but nevertheless, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

imo, merging of smaller city teams, such as Dundee and Dundee UTD, would provide a lot more competition, due to combined stadiums, fans and money.

quite interested to hear other folks thoughts on this?

Absolute garbage. Football support is not transferable by merger. What happens when someone suggests merging Hibs with Hearts?

CropleyWasGod
13-08-2018, 04:04 PM
Until the SPFL bears more competition in who will win the league, there wont be any level of interest. Every season, its either been Celtic or Rangers who have won the league. No competition.

Unfortunately, that is just the way it is. If the trumpets running the SFA didn't opt for Setanta Sports then we could be in a different position today, where we would receive a better TV income, but nevertheless, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

imo, merging of smaller city teams, such as Dundee and Dundee UTD, would provide a lot more competition, due to combined stadiums, fans and money.

quite interested to hear other folks thoughts on this?

Thank you, Mr. Mercer :greengrin

GillyHibee
13-08-2018, 04:13 PM
Thank you, Mr. Mercer :greengrin

I was waiting on that!

Ryan69
13-08-2018, 04:20 PM
Agreed.

the EPL is marketed very effectively. It’s a big brand, a graat product and is watched by millions around the world.

The sponsorship and TV deals are huge and provide millions to the Premiership clubs exactly for that reason. It’s in demand. Games across the English Premiership are sold out every week.

By contrast our game is poorly marketed. There was under 5k at Perth yesterday and to be honest, nobody outside Scotland would pay to watch St Johnstone v Hibs.

its the harsh reality I’m afraid.

You could also say that 1/1000th approximately of the whole of Scotland was there....which isnt bad really.

People that attend games in Scotland compared to population wise....SPL is one of the best attended in the world.

CropleyWasGod
13-08-2018, 04:21 PM
I was waiting on that!

Joking aside, this has been discussed many times before.

Taking 2 clubs with an average gate of 5k, and merging them, does not result in a new club with 10k fans. You can't artificially create new allegiances overnight.

jgl07
13-08-2018, 04:43 PM
Joking aside, this has been discussed many times before.

Taking 2 clubs with an average gate of 5k, and merging them, does not result in a new club with 10k fans. You can't artificially create new allegiances overnight.
As proved by Inverness. The forced merger of Caley and Thistle creates tensions and a lot of fans refused to take part with many defecting to Ross County. How is it that Ross County often get more support that Inverness?

Tyler Durden
13-08-2018, 04:53 PM
Explain?

Every subscriber in Scotland could cancel their Sky account and they wouldn’t blink. It wouldn’t make a difference.

The reference to Rangers fans - they previously said they would boycott Lloyds Bank after they had the temerity to enforce contractual debt obligations. Similarly Lloyds wouldn’t give a toss if every Hun closed their account. It’s meaningless.

The BBC and Sky owe Scottish Football nothing

Jim44
14-08-2018, 07:08 AM
On the Beeb news just now, every team in the English Premiership outside the top five could play every match in a completely empty stadium and still make a profit.

patlowe
14-08-2018, 07:41 AM
Every subscriber in Scotland could cancel their Sky account and they wouldn’t blink. It wouldn’t make a difference.

The reference to Rangers fans - they previously said they would boycott Lloyds Bank after they had the temerity to enforce contractual debt obligations. Similarly Lloyds wouldn’t give a toss if every Hun closed their account. It’s meaningless.

The BBC and Sky owe Scottish Football nothing

The broadcast companies are hugely precious about subscription numbers. Assuming there are 1m+ subscribers in Scotland I'd say they would be extremely concerned about losing them. Not that I think it's a feasible or realistic prospect.

superfurryhibby
14-08-2018, 07:44 AM
Every subscriber in Scotland could cancel their Sky account and they wouldn’t blink. It wouldn’t make a difference.

The reference to Rangers fans - they previously said they would boycott Lloyds Bank after they had the temerity to enforce contractual debt obligations. Similarly Lloyds wouldn’t give a toss if every Hun closed their account. It’s meaningless.

The BBC and Sky owe Scottish Football nothing

The BBC are a state funded broadcaster with a mandate that makes them very different in terms of accountability than Sky.

Still no one can explain why the Danish League gets over twice our broadcasting revenue?

Winston Ingram
14-08-2018, 07:56 AM
As proved by Inverness. The forced merger of Caley and Thistle creates tensions and a lot of fans refused to take part with many defecting to Ross County. How is it that Ross County often get more support that Inverness?

I'm sure Dingwall only has a population of 5000 people

hibsbollah
14-08-2018, 08:03 AM
Scotland's figure seems within normal parameters, based on the TV deals in a number of countries on that graphic. The deals in Sweden, Austria & Switzerland - countries with populations of 8 to 10 million - are similar. Combining the words "Portugal" and "football" will get you a reaction internationally. Combining "Scotland" and "football" won't. Is Rangers v. Celtic really any more captivating than Boca v. River?
Comparing any league anywhere to the English Premier League is a long way from being an "apples for apples" comparison.
The bottom line is economics. Scotland is still a largely mono-ethnic and mono-cultural backwater. The percentage of the world's population that knows Scotland exists is surprisingly small. The country attracts little foreign "investment" of the type that flows into London and which makes London the capital of the world. Large numbers of "investors" in London are loaded with "new money." They are from backgrounds that find football attractive.
Traditional European aristocracy "old money" and American "old money" is rarely invested in football. Nor is it invested in gold-plated Lamborghinis. Or at the tables of London's rapidly multiplying casinos.
"Vulgar" is the word that springs to mind.
London is an incredible place. It's the bubble of London's economy that produces the byproduct of the English Premier League bubble.
To say that London's increasing affluence is the result of money-laundering isn't strictly true. However, the UK's ridiculously inept legislation on transparency for offshore companies and its proliferation of tax loopholes means money-laundering on a massive scale is almost certainly easier and more profitable to accomplish via setting-up murky offshore companies and buying property in the UK than any other method. Most of the investment in London is by Russians, Arabs, Malaysians, Chinese - especially Chinese - and other dubious "got rich quick" overseas spivs buying vast quantities of property. Many of them also buy businesses - principally in the leisure sector.
They invest in London because The Party, His Majesty, El Presidente or Comrade Putin can't suddenly enact legislation that greatly devalues - or appropriates�� - their investment.
Comrade Corbyn or Mayor Sadiq Khan could suggest a massive tax or even a ban on property purchases by foreigners. That's hardly radical. There are lots of places where one must be a citizen, resident, tax-payer or all three in order to buy property.
No such noises coming from those directions though. London's housing crisis continues to escalate. As does the scale of residential property development in prime areas of the English capital. Most of it bought by overseas "businessmen" as an investment. Their kids can stay in it while doing eyewateringly expensive degrees at Imperial College or the London School of Economics - two institutions whose own recent property purchases in South Kensington and Bloomsbury, neither exactly ghettos, have seen them become inner-city suburbs in themselves.
Whilst in London, the "investors" see toys. They like toys. They buy toys. Football clubs are excellent toys. Hours of interactive fun for all the family. These "investors" own companies back home. Marketing their toy through these companies can help recoup the purchase price of the toy or at least contribute towards the toy's running costs.
Of course, it would be a lot better for the planet's economy as a whole if the mega-rich invested their billions in their own countries. London's economy is nice for the Poles, Filipinos, Brazilians, Ghanaians etc. who work for £8.50 per hour serving you coffee in Starbucks or delivering your Domino's pizza. They can send some much needed money home. It would benefit a hell of a lot more working class people in poor countries if the rich people in those countries invested their money in creating wealth (& jobs) back home. Could even invest it in football or other youth/community projects for poor kids... But then that applies equally to those domestic idiots funding Kelty Hearts, Salford City and Billericay Town.
Can't see it happening soon though.
While London continues to get rich on dubious financial practices, the English Premier League will continue to fall into the beady-eyed glances of the culturally diverse selection of the planet's mafiosi who are attracted to London.
The crane numbers on London's skyline suggests Brexit is having as much effect on keeping down invasive parasites as DDT had on keeping down invasive parasites that developed resistance in the 1950s.
While London's bubble keeps growing, the English Premier League bubble is safe.
I've composed this rant on a phone while bouncing about on a train. A bit of time to kill. Hope it makes some sort of sense.

Excellent post. Just because the implications are depressing doesn't mean it isn't true.

Back closer to home, getting money into the Scottish game is only part of the story. The aim should be to spend that money on coaching excellence. Which means actually getting rid of the current incumbents both in the sfa and out on the training pitches and replace them with people who know what they're doing.

jgl07
14-08-2018, 05:26 PM
SFA/SPFL should request a pro rata payment based on Sky Sports contributions from Scotland. That would be approximately 9% of the amount given to the English leagues.

They could request it but they would be told to p*ss off.

They will base it on potential ratings. The ratings outside of Scotland for SPFL matches is minimal unless it is a Celtic-Sevco match or something like Hibs v Hearts.

Chorley Hibee
14-08-2018, 05:46 PM
Premier League: 11 of 20 clubs could have made profits in 2016-17 without fans at games -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44850888

This can only be bad news for your average football fan. Sadly it's no longer "the people's game".

where'stheslope
15-08-2018, 02:10 PM
Scotland does but ye’ve got to remember there are only 5m people in Scotland. There are 55m in England.

I’m not sure there are stacks of Sky Sports subscribers in the 5m.

I think you'll be surprised, as most of the North of Scotland can only get Channel 5 if they have SKY as they don't have enough transmitter power for another channel to be broadcast, so having the dish is the only way to recieve good TV reception.
And don't even mention Cable, as only some of the bigger towns and cities have that????