Socialist Bookshop attacked by fascists wearing Donald Trump masks.

[Hibrandenburg]

https://www.google.de/amp/s/m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/bookmarks-socialist-bookshop-attacked_uk_5b670509e4b0b15abaa4341b/

I could have added this to a number of threads in the holy ground but feel it deserves a thread of its own. The far right are feeling more empowered everyday. Brexit, Donald Trump, Tommy Robinson, paedophile hunting groups and the rebirth of fascism in Europe. Where does it end?

Can't get the link to work on my phone so copy and paste if interested.

[snooky]

https://www.google.de/amp/s/m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/bookmarks-socialist-bookshop-attacked_uk_5b670509e4b0b15abaa4341b/

I could have added this to a number of threads in the holy ground but feel it deserves a thread of its own. The far right are feeling more empowered everyday. Brexit, Donald Trump, Tommy Robinson, paedophile hunting groups and the rebirth of fascism in Europe. Where does it end?

Can't get the link to work on my phone so copy and paste if interested.

Or just right click & highlight link, right click & select "open link"

[Hibbyradge]

https://www.google.de/amp/s/m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/bookmarks-socialist-bookshop-attacked_uk_5b670509e4b0b15abaa4341b/

I could have added this to a number of threads in the holy ground but feel it deserves a thread of its own. The far right are feeling more empowered everyday. Brexit, Donald Trump, Tommy Robinson, paedophile hunting groups and the rebirth of fascism in Europe. Where does it end?

Can't get the link to work on my phone so copy and paste if interested.

It ends in war.

[IGRIGI]

Natural reaction after years of "you're a racist" as a standard response to anyone who dared question open border immigration and the effect it has had culturally and economically on the working class of the UK.

[Chic Murray]

Natural reaction after years of "you're a racist" as a standard response to anyone who dared question open border immigration and the effect it has had culturally and economically on the working class of the UK.

What is the British working class; how was it effected culturally and economically by open border immigration?

A before and after type answer would be helpful.

[Smartie]

Can they not just stock more books with more pictures then we can all go back to being friends again?

[Sylar]

Natural reaction after years of "you're a racist" as a standard response to anyone who dared question open border immigration and the effect it has had culturally and economically on the working class of the UK.

You don't really deal in fact, truth or balance, do you?

You spew more ***** than a herd of Angus cattle.

[Hibrandenburg]

It ends in war.

:agree: The cycle is nearing it's end.

[Ozymandias]

Natural reaction after years of "you're a racist" as a standard response to anyone who dared question open border immigration and the effect it has had culturally and economically on the working class of the UK.

Troll.
But I'll bite. You believe attacking a bookstore is a natural reaction? I suspect you haven't got the deepest understanding of history...

[SHODAN]

I thought the far-right was all about free speech? Damaging books is the last thing they'd do, surely? :confused:

[Lester B]

Natural reaction after years of "you're a racist" as a standard response to anyone who dared question open border immigration and the effect it has had culturally and economically on the working class of the UK.

That's ironic given that you are, clearly, a racist.

[Slavers]

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/man-charged-with-smashing-donald-trumps-hollywood-walk-of-fame-star-with-pickaxe-a3905116.html


Where is the outrage when Donald's Holywood star is vandalised In a similar manner?

[Smartie]

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/man-charged-with-smashing-donald-trumps-hollywood-walk-of-fame-star-with-pickaxe-a3905116.html


Where is the outrage when Donald's Holywood star is vandalised In a similar manner?

Whataboutery that would be perfectly at home on Rangers Media or Kerrydale Street.

(FWIW, as much as I dislike Trump and everything he stands for, I don't think that vandalising a Hollywood star is acceptable behaviour).

[Sylar]

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/man-charged-with-smashing-donald-trumps-hollywood-walk-of-fame-star-with-pickaxe-a3905116.html


Where is the outrage when Donald's Holywood star is vandalised In a similar manner?

Let's evaluate:

Destruction of a book store = destruction of stock, damage to infrastructure, loss of business earnings, cost of repairs and a degree of trauma for the victims (both owners and customers).

Destruction of a "Hollywood Star" = small loss to the company charged with overseeing the Walk of Fame as they pay a contractor to replace it within a few hours. I doubt Trump gives a ****.

There's nothing "similar" about it at all.

[Lester B]

Let's evaluate:

Destruction of a book store = destruction of stock, damage to infrastructure, loss of business earnings, cost of repairs and a degree of trauma for the victims (both owners and customers).

Destruction of a "Hollywood Star" = small loss to the company charged with overseeing the Walk of Fame as they pay a contractor to replace it within a few hours. I doubt Trump gives a ****.

There's nothing "similar" about it at all.

Was typing the same thing but beaten to it. Anyone find it odd that we clearly have fans with far right views and we are a club which was actually formed by immigrants?

[Slavers]

Whataboutery that would be perfectly at home on Rangers Media or Kerrydale Street.

(FWIW, as much as I dislike Trump and everything he stands for, I don't think that vandalising a Hollywood star is acceptable behaviour).

To be honest my post was tongue in cheek.

This is the new norm now and you could argue that the violence of far left groups such as ANTIFA goes unreported and largely ignored by the BBC and the media then it gives the green light for these kind of attacks in a kind of tit for tat exchange.

It's terrible that the book shop was attacked I agree. I think acts like this will only get worse before things get better.

War is on the horizon make no bones about it by but it will be driven by finance and resetting the economy and population control rather than any moves from the far right or far left which I believe along with immigration is useful smoke screen to what is coming.

[danhibees1875]

Was typing the same thing but beaten to it. Anyone find it odd that we clearly have fans with far right views and we are a club which was actually formed by immigrants?

That was 143 years and 1 day ago, we live in a society now where Hibs fans come from a variety of backgrounds and hold a variety of political views. I don't think there is/should be a problem with that.

Although reading the Holy Ground does tend to show that we still have a generally left leaning support - which is probably true of most football clubs.

[Lester B]

That was 143 years and 1 day ago, we live in a society now where Hibs fans come from a variety of backgrounds and hold a variety of political views. I don't think there is/should be a problem with that.

Although reading the Holy Ground does tend to show that we still have a generally left leaning support - which is probably true of most football clubs.

There's not a problem with people having a range of political views, far from it. What I'm talking about is people with views which are quite virulent on the topic of immigration and the irony given the club's history. The kind of views which, when held 143 years ago, actively sought to stop the club playing at all.

[Smartie]

Personally I love the fact that we can have people with diverse views following our club.

The choices you make at the ballot box, whether you want to fight for your country, who you think that country should be in Union with and why should have no bearing on your appreciation of Gordon Smith, Pat Stanton or John McGinn.

We're a broad church and better for it.

And hibs.net is richer for the fact that we have folk with wide-ranging opinions (even the ones that I really don't agree with) who are willing to put forward their opinions - within certain boundaries of course.

[Sylar]

Personally I love the fact that we can have people with diverse views following our club.

The choices you make at the ballot box, whether you want to fight for your country, who you think that country should be in Union with and why should have no bearing on your appreciation of Gordon Smith, Pat Stanton or John McGinn.

We're a broad church and better for it.

And hibs.net is richer for the fact that we have folk with wide-ranging opinions (even the ones that I really don't agree with) who are willing to put forward their opinions - within certain boundaries of course.

I agree with every single aspect of that.

But I draw the line at some of the downright vile bigotry and hatred that gets spewed by the 3 usual suspects with pretty reasonable predictability.

[G B Young]

Thought this piece explained quite well how low-level violence has become routine now, fuelled by social media:

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jacob-rees-mogg-home-vandals-brexit-trump-socialist-bookshop-a8479596.html

[Lester B]

I agree with every single aspect of that.

But I draw the line at some of the downright vile bigotry and hatred that gets spewed by the 3 usual suspects with pretty reasonable predictability.

Which was the point I was trying to make. Thank you!

[Hibrandenburg]

Thought this piece explained quite well how low-level violence has become routine now, fuelled by social media:

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jacob-rees-mogg-home-vandals-brexit-trump-socialist-bookshop-a8479596.html

We've been here before. Politics being divided into multiple little fractions that can't agree or compromise on anything leading to a nation screaming out for a leader that can unite the masses and bring order to the chaos. Extreme polarisation of the differing factions that leads to political unrest and violence between the opposing sides causing a yearning for a strong leader from the A-political masses that can unite the nation. Guess what happened next?

[Slavers]

We've been here before. Politics being divided into multiple little fractions that can't agree or compromise on anything leading to a nation screaming out for a leader that can unite the masses and bring order to the chaos. Extreme polarisation of the differing factions that leads to political unrest and violence between the opposing sides causing a yearning for a strong leader from the A-political masses that can unite the nation. Guess what happened next?

The nation you mention turned to socialism and then they looked for someone to blame?

[Chic Murray]

The nation you mention turned to socialism and then they looked for someone to blame?

Spain, pItaly, Argentina, Portugal, France, Chile, who is it you think he has in mind?

[Slavers]

Spain, pItaly, Argentina, Portugal, France, Chile, who is it you think he has in mind?

I assumed he was meaning national socialist Germany.

[HiBremian]

The nation you mention turned to socialism and then they looked for someone to blame?


I assumed he was meaning national socialist Germany.

So did Germany “turn to socialism” when Friedrich Ebert was elected president? :confused


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[Slavers]

So did Germany “turn to socialism” when Friedrich Ebert was elected president? :confused


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You tell me I answered a question he asked. I could be wrong.

Suppose the point in making is true socialism always leads to the death of millions. Germany were socialist under Hitler, Russia socialist under Stalin, China socialist under Mao.

To be honest I'm clearly no expert but history shows socialism is not the answer to any nations problems.

[HiBremian]

You tell me I answered a question he asked. I could be wrong.

Suppose the point in making is true socialism always leads to the death of millions. Germany were socialist under Hitler, Russia socialist under Stalin, China socialist under Mao.

To be honest I'm clearly no expert but history shows socialism is not the answer to any nations problems.

Think you’re confusing “socialism” with “authoritarianism”.


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[Chic Murray]

You tell me I answered a question he asked. I could be wrong.

Suppose the point in making is true socialism always leads to the death of millions. Germany were socialist under Hitler, Russia socialist under Stalin, China socialist under Mao.

To be honest I'm clearly no expert but history shows socialism is not the answer to any nations problems.

I thought Hitler had the socialist faction of the party murdered?

[Slavers]

I thought Hitler had the socialist faction of the party murdered?

This is what I fear may happen to the SJW' s in today's push for a promised new socialist utopia. They will be used to bring In a one world socialist government and then murdered once they are no longer useful.

[Smartie]

You tell me I answered a question he asked. I could be wrong.

Suppose the point in making is true socialism always leads to the death of millions. Germany were socialist under Hitler, Russia socialist under Stalin, China socialist under Mao.

To be honest I'm clearly no expert but history shows socialism is not the answer to any nations problems.

I suppose though there is socialism then there is socialism, there is nationalism then there is nationalism etc etc.

They are fairly broad umbrellas which cover the very reasonable as well as the downright disgraceful.

[Lendo]

Natural reaction after years of "you're a racist" as a standard response to anyone who dared question open border immigration and the effect it has had culturally and economically on the working class of the UK.

Well.....if the shoe fits.

[Lester B]

This is what I fear may happen to the SJW' s in today's push for a promised new socialist utopia. They will be used to bring In a one world socialist government and then murdered once they are no longer useful.

World politics is lurching alarmingly to the Right and you are worried about a 'one world socialist government'??? Is that serious or very dry humour?

Had to Google SJW. Second search page has an article using the term by the BNP. That's instructive.

[Hibrandenburg]

World politics is lurching alarmingly to the Right and you are worried about a 'one world socialist government'??? Is that serious or very dry humour?

Had to Google SJW. Second search page has an article using the term by the BNP. That's instructive.

Yep, but as it turns out, many former Labour voters who thought they we're socialists actually turned out to be national socialists.

[LiverpoolHibs]

World politics is lurching alarmingly to the Right and you are worried about a 'one world socialist government'??? Is that serious or very dry humour?

Had to Google SJW. Second search page has an article using the term by the BNP. That's instructive.

He has linked to and promoted a youtube channel filled with the vilest anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. Not entirely sure why he's still allowed to post. Absolute wrong 'un.

[One Day Soon]

Troll.
But I'll bite. You believe attacking a bookstore is a natural reaction? I suspect you haven't got the deepest understanding of history...

Or of anything else much.

[One Day Soon]

I agree with every single aspect of that.

But I draw the line at some of the downright vile bigotry and hatred that gets spewed by the 3 usual suspects with pretty reasonable predictability.


Christ, as a free speecher I'd even want to be tolerant of that if only because it exposes itself with its own mindless stupidity.

What really makes my champers flat and turns my prawn sandwiches sour is the inability to cite any evidence when challenged. eg:

"Immigrants are the problem."

"Why?"

"Dunno."

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Was typing the same thing but beaten to it. Anyone find it odd that we clearly have fans with far right views and we are a club which was actually formed by immigrants?

It is a bit of a contradiction, but I think it is quite a well known phenomenon- those of 'immigrant communities and working classes being the most ignorant and hostile.

I know some of my family have fairly horrible views on these type of things. When I point out that's what people used to say about Catholics (and still do in some places!) I get blank looks.

[Sylar]

Christ, as a free speecher I'd even want to be tolerant of that if only because it exposes itself with its own mindless stupidity.

What really makes my champers flat and turns my prawn sandwiches sour is the inability to cite any evidence when challenged. eg:

"Immigrants are the problem."

"Why?"

"Dunno."

It's a fair point - you censor the type of language that's increasingly being used by "Poster A", "Poster B" and "Poster C" on here and it goes underground, leading to the empowered emergence of far-right ideals that we're increasingly seeing.

However, there's a balance for me between free speech and not providing these wahoos with a platform. That balance is probably personal and subjective though.

Given the stark warning admin have just put on the main board about posting behaviour, I'd like to hope that these 3 will be weeded out and removed before too long. I don't mind having passionate, constructive disagreements and arguments with people on here. It's always been a great part of .net, but having to firefight with genuine racist ideals isn't something we should welcome in the interests of "debate".

[Chic Murray]

A troll will often post a controversial, or offensive view, then either refuse to enter into debate on it, or constantly try to divert the discussion onto other topics. A typical example will be:

Troll: Let's all join in expressing our condolences to Paul Chuckles on the death of his brother Barry.
Victim: Oh dear, oh dear, why are you saying that?
Troll: So, you're saying he's a paedophile, is that it?
Victim: What....?
Troll: The thing that worries me about paedophiles is that they always pretend you don't know what you are saying. If the socialists get their way, it will be legalised.

etc

[Colr]

Popped in the other day to show my support but the book selection was pretty crap so sod them.
A whole section on transgender issues and 2 (rather Janet-and-John level) books on the housing crisis.