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HibbySpurs
02-08-2018, 08:25 PM
Am I right in thinking that the club gets the solidarity payment for every round and not just the round they go out in?

If so we get:

1st round €240,000
2nd round €260,000
3rd round €280,000

Which would be €780,000 guaranteed and getting past Molde would take that to €1,080,000?

Decent money for the run (of course hope we get to the real big money games in the groups).....

Does cost a fair whack to travel each round mind but still not to be sneezed at.

murray26
02-08-2018, 08:27 PM
How much if we beat Molde..?

mayo hibee
02-08-2018, 08:28 PM
Don't forget the home gate receipts as well. Runavik, Tripoli and now Molde. Hibs clearing well over a million for this run at a minimum now.

Juniper Greens
02-08-2018, 08:29 PM
Don't forget the home gate receipts as well. Runavik, Tripoli and now Molde. Hibs clearing well over a million for this run at a minimum now.

Give it all to SJM

Outstanding again tonight. Is he the best Hibs player since the 70s?

HibbySpurs
02-08-2018, 08:41 PM
How much if we beat Molde..?

We get €280k regardless of if we beat Molde or not. You get €300k for the play off of you go out.

mutley
02-08-2018, 08:43 PM
Either way, the accounts for this financial year must be looking pretty healthy.

hibbysam
02-08-2018, 08:46 PM
I presume the same as the last two draws, hibs will take molde’s seeding for the play off round should we win as the draw will be before the completion of the tie?

HibbySpurs
02-08-2018, 08:49 PM
Are Molde seeded for the play off? If so then I think yes.

Baw187
02-08-2018, 08:50 PM
Are Molde seeded for the play off? If so then I think yes.

I don’t believe so.

Babyshamble
02-08-2018, 08:51 PM
Are the payments accumlative or you get what's quoted in whatever round you get knocked out in ?

JohnM1875
02-08-2018, 08:51 PM
Give it all to SJM

Outstanding again tonight. Is he the best Hibs player since the 70s?

:agree:. Pity the guy is so ambitious. Can't see us replacing him for a long time.

erin go bragh
02-08-2018, 08:51 PM
Sure someone posted saying if we reach the group stage it’s 7m .

GloryGlory
02-08-2018, 08:53 PM
Don't forget the home gate receipts as well. Runavik, Tripoli and now Molde. Hibs clearing well over a million for this run at a minimum now.

Hopefully means a wee boost to the transfer budget. Imagine if we hadn't got to Europe and had to play a couple of League cup group games against the likes of Alloa and Cowdenbeath (no disrespect), with a crowd of 5,000.

Ringothedog
02-08-2018, 08:53 PM
We get €280k regardless of if we beat Molde or not. You get €300k for the play off of you go out.

It is cumulative if we go out we get nearly £750000

JeMeSouviens
02-08-2018, 08:54 PM
Sure someone posted saying if we reach the group stage it’s 7m .

Nah, it’s 2.4M euros plus 300K euros per point won in the group.

Bob Box Fish
02-08-2018, 08:54 PM
Even if we go out against Molde we would probably make more from this European run than if we won the league cup for example.

CropleyWasGod
02-08-2018, 08:54 PM
Are the payments accumlative or you get what's quoted in whatever round you get knocked out in ?Cumulative

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NAE NOOKIE
02-08-2018, 08:57 PM
Are the payments accumlative or you get what's quoted in whatever round you get knocked out in ?

Individual payments for each round .. we're making a decent wedge here if you chuck in the crowds :greengrin

Babyshamble
02-08-2018, 08:58 PM
Cumulative

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Thanks mate 👍

BullsCloseHibs
02-08-2018, 08:59 PM
We get €280k regardless of if we beat Molde or not. You get €300k for the play off of you go out.

Will a lot not go towards air chartering etc?

HibbySpurs
02-08-2018, 09:03 PM
It is cumulative if we go out we get nearly £750000

As I thought, cheers. Good revenue for the club

greenpaper55
02-08-2018, 09:04 PM
Rod will be unable to sleep tonight.

number9dream
02-08-2018, 09:04 PM
Expensive charter flights and late to arrange hotel bills will eat into that cash but the home gates are a great boost for the coffers. Not sure if we get anything from the away TV coverage.
Maybe more importantly, it should be a boost for the players' confidence going into the new season...

greenlex
02-08-2018, 09:06 PM
Less thet travel expenses. Which will knock a big hole in it.

Billy Whizz
02-08-2018, 09:06 PM
Less thet travel expenses. Which will knock a big hole in it.

This round will have, Molde less so

SirDavidsNapper
02-08-2018, 09:07 PM
More lucrative than the league cup group stages anyway

erin go bragh
02-08-2018, 09:07 PM
Nah, it’s 2.4M euros plus 300K euros per point won in the group.
Winning 10 points would give us 5m plus :)
Win all your games and it’s more than 7m 😜

JeMeSouviens
02-08-2018, 09:07 PM
Nah, it’s 2.4M euros plus 300K euros per point won in the group.

Bollocks from me. Up to date for this year is 2.92M euros and 190K per point.

hibby6270
02-08-2018, 09:41 PM
If we get to the Play Off tie we have guaranteed €1.08m which at current exchange rates is £1m.

Reach the group stage and “base fee” as UEFA call it is another €2.92m (£2.6m).

Then it’s €190,000 (£170,000) per point won.

Mind boggling figures for a team like Hibs. Effectively, reaching Group Stage would generate virtually 50% above our normal annual revenue and that’s before any points money, gate money, tv money is added.

All money that we can spend wisely on strengthening the squad AND could, for example, mean we can afford to keep SJM for the season, sign Scott Allan in January and bring Jamie Maclaren back NOW.

Oh please let it be!!

PatHead
02-08-2018, 09:44 PM
Expensive charter flights and late to arrange hotel bills will eat into that cash but the home gates are a great boost for the coffers. Not sure if we get anything from the away TV coverage.
Maybe more importantly, it should be a boost for the players' confidence going into the new season...

Not only confidence but gives them the experience of playing against different types of players which in turn makes them better.

DetroitHibs
02-08-2018, 09:59 PM
Best chance ever to gamble and ***** some cash. With the squad we have, one or two more quality players is all that's needed.

sambajustice
02-08-2018, 11:16 PM
Surely its just one payment dependent on what round you get to and not cumulative?

In any other sport you get X for round one, XX for ROund 2, XXX for Round 3 and so on and forth. If you get knocked out in the 3rd round of the darts or tennis for example, you get whatever prize money is afforded to that round, you dont also get a payment for what you would have got for losing in the previous rounds?

So if we get £280k or whatever it is prize money, plus all the gate receipts, merchandise etc for 3 home matches, that would surely amount to £1m+ before deductions.

Like someone else said, probably better doing what we've done in getting this far than getting to a semi or maybe even final as well in either of the cups.

Losing in the 3rd round of the UEFA takes away the fear of losing in the 3rd round of the League Cup! :greengrin

Pescarese
02-08-2018, 11:23 PM
Surely its just one payment dependent on what round you get to and not cumulative?

In any other sport you get X for round one, XX for ROund 2, XXX for Round 3 and so on and forth. If you get knocked out in the 3rd round of the darts or tennis for example, you get whatever prize money is afforded to that round, you dont also get a payment for what you would have got for losing in the previous rounds?

So if we get £280k or whatever it is prize money, plus all the gate receipts, merchandise etc for 3 home matches, that would surely amount to £1m+ before deductions.

Like someone else said, probably better doing what we've done in getting this far than getting to a semi or maybe even final as well in either of the cups.

Losing in the 3rd round of the UEFA takes away the fear of losing in the 3rd round of the League Cup! :greengrin
Nope, it’s cumulative. Remember sides come in at different rounds and each round has costs.

Spike Mandela
02-08-2018, 11:26 PM
Nope, it’s cumulative. Remember sides come in at different rounds and each round has costs.

So you are financially better off entering at the 1st qualifying round than if you enter at the 3rd? That doesn’t seem right

Michael
02-08-2018, 11:29 PM
So you are financially better off entering at the 1st qualifying round than if you enter at the 3rd? That doesn’t seem right

Only if you win.

Pescarese
02-08-2018, 11:30 PM
So you are financially better off entering at the 1st qualifying round than if you enter at the 3rd? That doesn’t seem right
That is one of the effects. The sheep can’t be happy about it.

hibbysam
03-08-2018, 12:15 AM
So you are financially better off entering at the 1st qualifying round than if you enter at the 3rd? That doesn’t seem right

Not necessarily as you have all the costs that go along with it.

sambajustice
03-08-2018, 06:54 AM
Amazing what a bit of research can show...


UEFA Europa League – champions and main paths
Each club participating in the qualifying rounds will receive the following amounts per round played:
• preliminary round*– €220,000
• first qualifying round*– €240,000
• second qualifying round*– €260,000
• third qualifying round*– €280,000
• play-offs*– €300,000 (eliminated clubs only). No solidarity payment will be made to the winners of this round. However, they will retain the payments received for the preliminary, first, second and third qualifying rounds, as applicable.

Do we're in the region of 800k prize money up, add on tickets and merchandise.

Surely there's enough there to pay 150k for Griffiths... Maybe pay for Riordan to go through some SAS training or something and get his fitness back. He could still do a job... :greengrin

hhibs
03-08-2018, 09:01 AM
Even if we go out against Molde we would probably make more from this European run than if we won the league cup for example.

By a factor of about 10 !

The club will already be touching a million pounds in revenue from this run including prize money and home gates and the expenses while highish will not dent that much.

The money for winning either of the cups is unbelievably poor.

lucky
03-08-2018, 09:09 AM
These figures show how important it is to qualify every year and win some games. If we managed to stay a 4 club for a few seasons in a row the finance available to the manager would dwarf our present spending.

CropleyWasGod
03-08-2018, 09:10 AM
So you are financially better off entering at the 1st qualifying round than if you enter at the 3rd? That doesn’t seem right

It's the same in the Betfred Cup.

TV and gate money from the likes of Cowdenbeath and ICT are bound to be worth more than 1 game against Ross County.

:greengrin

Sas_The_Hibby
03-08-2018, 09:12 AM
Even if we go out against Molde we would probably make more from this European run than if we won the league cup for example.

The League Cup's just a diddy cup, though, as Hearts haven't won it since 1322

Captain Trips
03-08-2018, 09:15 AM
Expensive charter flights and late to arrange hotel bills will eat into that cash but the home gates are a great boost for the coffers. Not sure if we get anything from the away TV coverage.
Maybe more importantly, it should be a boost for the players' confidence going into the new season...

A couple of nights away for what about 25-30 staff? Surely £1k per head would cover that.

mjhibby
03-08-2018, 09:18 AM
These figures show how important it is to qualify every year and win some games. If we managed to stay a 4 club for a few seasons in a row the finance available to the manager would dwarf our present spending.

I wouldn't say it's poor but players bonuses for winning cups take a big slice off it or say said rod a few years ago. Will be interesting how we view selling McGinn now. I hope we just let his contract run down. Never has a players worth on the park been better illustrated.plus scotty will be coming in when McGinn goes. Makes perfect sense to me. I'm sure we thought we'd get past the first qualifying round but last night was a huge bonus and gives us so much more flexibility who we can sign though it looks like we've had the signings in mind for months. Ggtth.

sean04
03-08-2018, 09:25 AM
Sure we got 200k for qualifying. 220k for beating runivik and 245k for beating Greeks. 300k for next round. Not sure what the 4th round is but you get 2.6mill for qualifying for the group. 300k a win and 120k a draw. Add home crowds and tv money and it's very lucrative

CropleyWasGod
03-08-2018, 09:26 AM
A couple of nights away for what about 25-30 staff? Surely £1k per head would cover that.

Plus the cost of the plane. Won't be much change out of £100k.

LustForLeith
03-08-2018, 09:27 AM
How much do we get when we win the competition?

CropleyWasGod
03-08-2018, 09:27 AM
Sure we got 200k for qualifying. 220k for beating runivik and 245k for beating Greeks. 300k for next round. Not sure what the 4th round is but you get 2.6mill for qualifying for the group. 300k a win and 120k a draw. Add home crowds and tv money and it's very lucrative

It's 240k plus 260k plus 280k so far. 780k

300 if we beat Molde. Nothing for winning the play-off.

murray26
03-08-2018, 09:28 AM
Plus the cost of the plane. Won't be much change out of £100k.


Your only hiring the plane not buying the thing.

JeMeSouviens
03-08-2018, 09:29 AM
Sure we got 200k for qualifying. 220k for beating runivik and 245k for beating Greeks. 300k for next round. Not sure what the 4th round is but you get 2.6mill for qualifying for the group. 300k a win and 120k a draw. Add home crowds and tv money and it's very lucrative

2.92M euros and 190K euros per point are this season's numbers. That is funded from tv money so there's no extra to that on top. 3 full houses expected though, which is probably £1.5M or so for us.

hibeedonald
03-08-2018, 09:30 AM
Plus the cost of the plane. Won't be much change out of £100k.

Have we ever seen how much it's cost in the past? Not doubting you, just curious.

If there was an easy direct scheduled flight could the team not just fly on that?

JeMeSouviens
03-08-2018, 09:30 AM
It's 240k plus 260k plus 280k so far. 780k

300 if we beat Molde. Nothing for winning the play-off.

I think we only get the 300 if we beat Molde but lose in QR4 (consolation). If we win both then the promised land of the group stage money arrives. Quite a bit more than nothing! :wink:

MartinfaePorty
03-08-2018, 09:32 AM
It's 240k plus 260k plus 280k so far. 780k

300 if we beat Molde. Nothing for winning the play-off.

That's true, however: 'Each of the 48 clubs that qualify for the group stage can expect to receive a group stage allocation of €2.92m'

SRHibs
03-08-2018, 09:32 AM
Have we ever seen how much it's cost in the past? Not doubting you, just curious.

If there was an easy direct scheduled flight could the team not just fly on that?

**** that. Heard there was a coach running that will get them to Molde with plenty of time to spare!

CropleyWasGod
03-08-2018, 09:32 AM
Your only hiring the plane not buying the thing.

When people queried the cost of the original charter to Greece at £900, Hibs told us that that was the cost to them; that they were making nothing on those seats.

Assuming it was a 100-seater (happy to be corrected on that), that's £90k.

I realise we went for a smaller one eventually, and for the next trip, but it's still going to cost a fair whack.

Edit... I haven't had my coffee. The cost to the fans was £720 odd. The club told us it was costing THEM £900.

Further edit.. Norway is closer. I get that. :greengrin

660
03-08-2018, 09:33 AM
travel costs of about 200k for each game

CropleyWasGod
03-08-2018, 09:33 AM
I think we only get the 300 if we beat Molde but lose in QR4 (consolation). If we win both then the promised land of the group stage money arrives. Quite a bit more than nothing! :wink:

Yeah, you're right about the 300k. I suppose I had assumed we'd lose the play-off. :greengrin

Newcastlehibby
03-08-2018, 09:33 AM
I think we only get the 300 if we beat Molde but lose in QR4 (consolation). If we win both then the promised land of the group stage money arrives. Quite a bit more than nothing! :wink:
We get the €300k just for participating, win or lose.

MartinfaePorty
03-08-2018, 09:35 AM
We get the €300k just for participating, win or lose.

• play-offs – €300,000 (eliminated clubs only). No solidarity payment will be made to the winners of this round. However, they will retain the payments received for the preliminary, first, second and third qualifying rounds, as applicable.

CropleyWasGod
03-08-2018, 09:36 AM
We get the €300k just for participating, win or lose.

Only if we lose.

UEFA Europa League – champions and main paths
Each club participating in the qualifying rounds will receive the following amounts per round played:
• preliminary round*– €220,000
• first qualifying round*– €240,000
• second qualifying round*– €260,000
• third qualifying round*– €280,000
• play-offs*– €300,000 (eliminated clubs only). No solidarity payment will be made to the winners of this round.

Liam978
03-08-2018, 09:36 AM
Plus the cost of the plane. Won't be much change out of £100k.

Sadly also the costs of the fines coming our way, thanks to the idiots that persist in harming our club with their smoke bombs and flares.

PatHead
03-08-2018, 09:38 AM
When people queried the cost of the original charter to Greece at £900, Hibs told us that that was the cost to them; that they were making nothing on those seats.

Assuming it was a 100-seater (happy to be corrected on that), that's £90k.

I realise we went for a smaller one eventually, and for the next trip, but it's still going to cost a fair whack.

Maybe we should just buy our own plane. We are going to need it a lot over the next few years after all!😂

Newcastlehibby
03-08-2018, 09:43 AM
Only if we lose.

UEFA Europa League – champions and main paths
Each club participating in the qualifying rounds will receive the following amounts per round played:
• preliminary round*– €220,000
• first qualifying round*– €240,000
• second qualifying round*– €260,000
• third qualifying round*– €280,000
• play-offs*– €300,000 (eliminated clubs only). No solidarity payment will be made to the winners of this round.
I was getting ahead of myself. We get a further €280k just for reaching the 3rd round, then €300k if we beat Molde, reach the play-offs and are eliminated then but millions if we reach the group stage.