C'mon Raith Rovers

[hibbyfraelibby]

I wouldn't have thought so.

Cove Rangers and Stranraer were both guilty of the same offence two years ago in the same competition and both of them got away with a fine and a warning about their future conduct. The fine was £2000 but £1500 of it was suspended.

I expect Hearts to be fined, nothing else.

In neither of the above did the player inelligible to play make it onto the pitch. They were unused subs. In this case the inelligible player came off the subs bench and theregore had a material impact, even if he had a mare of a game, on the outcome.

[Billy Whizz]

I wouldn't have thought so.

Cove Rangers and Stranraer were both guilty of the same offence two years ago in the same competition and both of them got away with a fine and a warning about their future conduct. The fine was £2000 but £1500 of it was suspended.

I expect Hearts to be fined, nothing else.

You’re correct, they both had players who were ineligible, but didn’t come on to the pitch
Hearts ineligible player came on, so could have had an effect on the game

[007]

In neither of the above dod the player inelligible to pkay make it onto the pitch. They were unused subs. In this case the inelligible player came off the subs bench and theregore had a material impact, even if he had a mare of a game, on the outcome.


You’re correct, they both had players who were ineligible, but didn’t come on to the pitch
Hearts ineligible player came on, so could have had an effect on the game

A key point which should be the difference between just a fine and a fine plus 3-0 loss.

[ancient hibee]

After signing all those players I thought it was their no.38 Callum Morrison from their academy that shone after he came on. I'd love to get Leveins take on why they have signed so many free agents that are going to sit on the bench.

Honestly think they could find themselves near the foot of the table this season and that's not through my green tinted spectacles

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Perhaps a lot of the free agents were clients of the same football agent?Think that has happened before.Maybe Levein is going down the Harry Rednapp route.

[PatHead]

Perhaps a lot of the free agents were clients of the same football agent?Think that has happened before.Maybe Levein is going down the Harry Rednapp route.

Didn’t know Potter had a dog.

[Hibernian Verse]

Perhaps a lot of the free agents were clients of the same football agent?Think that has happened before.Maybe Levein is going down the Harry Rednapp route.That could certainly explain some of the left field signings

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[007]

Perhaps a lot of the free agents were clients of the same football agent?Think that has happened before.Maybe Levein is going down the Harry Rednapp route.

Does Levein get a cut of the deals too? Or a commission from Colquhoun?

[Sir David Gray]

In neither of the above did the player inelligible to play make it onto the pitch. They were unused subs. In this case the inelligible player came off the subs bench and theregore had a material impact, even if he had a mare of a game, on the outcome.


You’re correct, they both had players who were ineligible, but didn’t come on to the pitch
Hearts ineligible player came on, so could have had an effect on the game

I understand that but the offence isn't putting an ineligible player onto the pitch, it's simply naming them in the matchday squad, which all three clubs are guilty of.

The fact that the Cove Rangers and Stranraer players didn't come onto the pitch was simply pure chance. I'm assuming neither club knowingly put their ineligible players into the squad.

Hearts may well get a bigger fine than the other two because Irving actually played a part in the game the other night but I would be astonished if they are docked points.

[ancient hibee]

Didn’t know Potter had a dog.


Got a dog in the manger attitude.

[Ozyhibby]

I wouldn't have thought so.

Cove Rangers and Stranraer were both guilty of the same offence two years ago in the same competition and both of them got away with a fine and a warning about their future conduct. The fine was £2000 but £1500 of it was suspended.

I expect Hearts to be fined, nothing else.

That is because they did not play. Hearts played an unregistered player. In every instance where this has happened previously in Scottish football it has resulted in the game being forfeited.


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[Hibernian Verse]

I understand that but the offence isn't putting an ineligible player onto the pitch, it's simply naming them in the matchday squad, which all three clubs are guilty of.

The fact that the Cove Rangers and Stranraer players didn't come onto the pitch was simply pure chance. I'm assuming neither club knowingly put their ineligible players into the squad.

Hearts may well get a bigger fine than the other two because Irving actually played a part in the game the other night but I would be astonished if they are docked points.Because he played I'm certain they will lose the 3 points. Cove will push for it As well surely.

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[hibbyfraelibby]

I understand that but the offence isn't putting an ineligible player onto the pitch, it's simply naming them in the matchday squad, which all three clubs are guilty of.

The fact that the Cove Rangers and Stranraer players didn't come onto the pitch was simply pure chance. I'm assuming neither club knowingly put their ineligible players into the squad.

Hearts may well get a bigger fine than the other two because Irving actually played a part in the game the other night but I would be astonished if they are docked points.

Your logic breaksdown when you then look at the outcome of the Albion Rovers v Spartans case where the inelligible pkayer did make it onto the pitch and as a consequence Rovers forfeited the tie 3-0. There are degrees of guilt. Name a player guilty and fine, play that player and you are doubley guilty and result handed to opponent 3-0.

[Smartie]

To the best of my knowledge, the only club not to have been punished for fielding improperly registered players with the forfeit of the fixture(s) are Rangers (as they were known at the time).

[AltheHibby]

From the BBC:


"It's nothing to do with fitness. The way Raith set up we played in front of them, rather than playing in behind them and getting them turned a little bit.

"A little bit of unpleasant football at times instead of the tippy-tappy stuff. It's up to the older boys to sort that out and drum it into the younger boys and do that.

"We have to play the two sides of the game, the ugly side and the nice side. We should have maybe gone to the uglier side today."

😂

[cabbageandribs1875]

didn't even know the sparryheids were playing today, tell you what though that's two stunningly impressive results on the trot they've had, over half a century of waiting for a League Cup win might be over this season :dunno:












aye right :faf:

[Libby Hibby]

I understand that but the offence isn't putting an ineligible player onto the pitch, it's simply naming them in the matchday squad, which all three clubs are guilty of.

The fact that the Cove Rangers and Stranraer players didn't come onto the pitch was simply pure chance. I'm assuming neither club knowingly put their ineligible players into the squad.

Hearts may well get a bigger fine than the other two because Irving actually played a part in the game the other night but I would be astonished if they are docked points.

I would start preparing to be astonished.

[GreenCastle]

Levein has brought in a load of new players and looked like the young players changed the game today.

Still quite a few absent names and I can bet some of them won’t like not getting game time - youth players need to play to develop as well. Maybe not as much as last season when he ended up playing players like Cochrane getting over use injuries. Maybe some of the players will like an easy pay day and not worry about not playing.

It’s a challenge to keep a large squad happy especially when crap is playing in front of you.

Been a fun start to this season for them already - long may it continue for Shambles FC

[Sir David Gray]

I’d start to prepare to be astonished.

I genuinely hope I am.

[007]

Levein has brought in a load of new players and looked like the young players changed the game today.

Still quite a few absent names and I can bet some of them won’t like not getting game time - youth players need to play to develop as well. Maybe not as much as last season when he ended up playing players like Cochrane getting over use injuries. Maybe some of the players will like an easy pay day and not worry about not playing.

It’s a challenge to keep a large squad happy especially when crap is playing in front of you.

Been a fun start to this season for them already - long may it continue for Shambles FC

Hearts are going all out to win the Reserve League hoping to qualify for the Reserve Champions League.

[SirDavidsNapper]

Hearts will be out of the League Cup before Hibs are out of the Europa League. Natural order.

[21.05.2016]

They only need to beat Hibs once this season and the muppets will be ecstatic at such an achievement!

Agreed. They had a shocking season last year but the fact they got a win against hibs in the end seems to have been enough for a lot of them. Weird.

[Col2]

That is because they did not play. Hearts played an unregistered player. In every instance where this has happened previously in Scottish football it has resulted in the game being forfeited.


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Spot on. It will be open season if they walk away with a fine. So what if ICT miss out by a point because the muppets are allowed to keep the 3 points. They would be going mental.

It would set the standard for every future registration breach for when a player plays the impacted game. Where do you draw the line? The Rangers sign a player in Jan, play him and beat Celtic, then it’s proved he wasn’t technically registered? Can you imagine the carnage?

100% they will be docked points. Absolutely no doubt and would be disgrace if not.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/41038340
An almost identical set of circumstances and the same governing body (SPFL).
Why would Hearts be treated any different from Albion Rovers?


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[CropleyWasGod]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/41038340
An almost identical set of circumstances and the same governing body (SPFL).
Why would Hearts be treated any different from Albion Rovers?


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Because that was a Knock-out competition.:cb

[Gordy M]

Because that was a Knock-out competition.:cb

Same rules should apply though.....you play an unregistered player equals a fine and a 3-0 loss. Doesnt matter if its a league or knockout?

[PatHead]

I understand that but the offence isn't putting an ineligible player onto the pitch, it's simply naming them in the matchday squad, which all three clubs are guilty of.

The fact that the Cove Rangers and Stranraer players didn't come onto the pitch was simply pure chance. I'm assuming neither club knowingly put their ineligible players into the squad.

Hearts may well get a bigger fine than the other two because Irving actually played a part in the game the other night but I would be astonished if they are docked points.

I think the difference is that Hearts gained a sporting advantage by fielding the player. The other two clubs in your example did not gain any advantage as the players did not enter the field of play.

[Billy Whizz]

Because that was a Knock-out competition.:cb

But the ruling was they lost the match, smoking cigar or not

[007]

Same rules should apply though.....you play an unregistered player equals a fine and a 3-0 loss. Doesnt matter if its a league or knockout?

I agree, in fact giving the game to Cove 3-0 is arguably, by comparison to the Albion Rovers example, a more lenient punishment for Hearts as they still have a chance to get through. Though 3-0 to Cove would be the right punishment, it is just Rovers' bad luck their error was in a knockout competition.

[CropleyWasGod]

Same rules should apply though.....you play an unregistered player equals a fine and a 3-0 loss. Doesnt matter if its a league or knockout?


But the ruling was they lost the match, smoking cigar or not

Ozy was suggesting that they get the same treatment as Albion Rovers, who were thrown out of the competition. Throwing them out would be excessive IMO.

[Ozyhibby]

Ozy was suggesting that they get the same treatment as Albion Rovers, who were thrown out of the competition. Throwing them out would be excessive IMO.

I don’t think Albion Rovers were thrown out, the just forfeited the match 3-0. Unfortunately for them it was a knock out comp.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180721/02b3c1e335ed1d49baf62e0ff4a9c543.png
I think the headlines in the newspapers can be misleading when it says clubs are thrown out the tournament.
I don’t think Hearts will be thrown out but I do think Cove will get awarded the game 3-0.

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[Billy Whizz]

Ozy was suggesting that they get the same treatment as Albion Rovers, who were thrown out of the competition. Throwing them out would be excessive IMO.

Think he was meaning that they lost the match, and as it was A Cup tie, that was them out. Much as if love to see them kicked out, their doing a dammed fine job of failing to qualify anyway
But as Ozy says, they should lose the game, as Albion did

[CropleyWasGod]

I don’t think Albion Rovers were thrown out, the just forfeited the match 3-0. Unfortunately for them it was a knock out comp.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180721/02b3c1e335ed1d49baf62e0ff4a9c543.png
I think the headlines in the newspapers can be misleading when it says clubs are thrown out the tournament.
I don’t think Hearts will be thrown out but I do think Cove will get awarded the game 3-0.

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Ok gotcha. I read the headline....like you say, that was misleading.

3-0 is fine by me. And compensate all of their fans for travelling. And us for our time spent laughing at them.:greengrin

[AlbertK86]

Would love them to be thrown out but can’t see it unfortunately.

Anyway one of the funniest things I heard yesterday was Potter saying in his interview how he’s looking forward to getting back to the PBS cause they’ve got their new pitch which will allow them to move the ball about quicker .......... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 aye ok ya fud


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[Smartie]

Would love them to be thrown out but can’t see it unfortunately.

Anyway one of the funniest things I heard yesterday was Potter saying in his interview how he’s looking forward to getting back to the PBS cause they’ve got their new pitch which will allow them to move the ball about quicker .......... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 aye ok ya fud


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He might have point.

Surely they'll have installed the type of surface that allows them to get the cleanest possible hoof away?

[Pretty Boy]

A 3-0 loss is as good as throwing them out anyway so happy days.

[H18 SFR]

I can see ICT hitting them on the break and beating them anyway.

[007]

Would love them to be thrown out but can’t see it unfortunately.

Anyway one of the funniest things I heard yesterday was Potter saying in his interview how he’s looking forward to getting back to the PBS cause they’ve got their new pitch which will allow them to move the ball about quicker .......... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 aye ok ya fud


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It will allow them to play better football but it will also allow opponents to play football so should reduce the advantage they have at Tynecastle. Will be interesting this season to see if that is the case. Fancy us to get a win there.

[Tug Wilson]

Their goal scorer Michael Smith said after the game that they needed to stop so much of the tippy tappy stuff and play uglier football. Any attempt to change their style didn't last long then. Two games into their season and one of their players is saying less football please. Brilliant.

It has to be that Cove are awarded the game 3-0.

This would put them on 2 points with a maximum of 6 to add. Last season 8 points was not enough to win a group or even qualify as one of the 4 best runners up.

Be wonderful if Hearts are out a major competition before we even have to enter it.

[PatHead]

Their goal scorer Michael Smith said after the game that they needed to stop so much of the tippy tappy stuff and play uglier football. Any attempt to change their style didn't last long then. Two games into their season and one of their players is saying less football please. Brilliant.

It has to be that Cove are awarded the game 3-0.
This would put them on 2 points with a maximum of 6 to add. Last season 8 points was not enough to win a group or even qualify as one of the 4 best runners up.

Be wonderful if Hearts are out a major competition before we even have to enter it. seemingly 9 points wasn’t enough last season so doesn’t look good for them. Is the hearing tomorrow?

[Billy Whizz]

What I cant understand, is that in the rules, there isn’t a set punishment for a fielding an illegible player
Should be in black and white

[CropleyWasGod]

What I cant understand, is that in the rules, there isn’t a set punishment for a fielding an illegible player
Should be in black and whiteIllegible players should be erased and made to start again.[emoji851]

That said, it probably is in the rules. It's likely that nobody on here can ba looking it up....

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[Billy Whizz]

Illegible players should be erased and made to start again.[emoji851]

That said, it probably is in the rules. It's likely that nobody on here can ba looking it up....

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Ok smarty pants, ineligible
Now go and find the rules😄

[Joe6-2]

What I cant understand, is that in the rules, there isn’t a set punishment for a fielding an illegible player
Should be in black and white

I have a feeling they well get a fine, nothing more. Hope not

[Ozyhibby]

I have a feeling they well get a fine, nothing more. Hope not

I can’t see how that is possible although this is Scottish football. It’s the exact same offence as Albion Rovers last season and that resulted in forfeiting the game. Would be anarchy if it turns out that it’s not just Sevco who are not governed by the same rules as others.


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[ancient hibee]

I can’t see how that is possible although this is Scottish football. It’s the exact same offence as Albion Rovers last season and that resulted in forfeiting the game. Would be anarchy if it turns out that it’s not just Sevco who are not governed by the same rules as others.


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There are no rules just precedents.

[BILLYHIBS]

Find out Hearts fate tomorrow!

I hate to say it but I thought Berras goal was a goal! I reckon the ref had been watching too much World Cup football. :wink:

Four sleeps till Thursday

[hfc rd]

Find out Hearts fate tomorrow!

I hate to say it but I thought Berras goal was a goal! I reckon the ref had been watching too much World Cup football. :wink:

Four ur sleeps till Thursday 😀👍🇳🇬


I agree. I thought it was a legitimate goal as well. If that happened to Hibs, I’d be raging as hell with the ref. Having said that, I’m glad it happened to them!

Personally can’t see them getting thrown out of the competition but a points deduction with a 3-0 win awarded for Cove Rangers pretty much effectively knocks them out. 👍🏾

[Sir David Gray]

seemingly 9 points wasn’t enough last season so doesn’t look good for them. Is the hearing tomorrow?

Over the last two seasons since the format of the League Cup changed, only one team has failed to qualify with 9 points and that was Peterhead last season.

If they lose the 3 points they got against Cove Rangers, the maximum number of points they'll be able to get is 8 points and only one team has qualified with that number of points which again was Peterhead two years ago and they won their group that year.

No team has qualified with 8 points or less as a runner up.

Basically if Cove Rangers get awarded the win from their match against Hearts, then Hearts are almost certainly out.

And yes, the hearing is tomorrow.

[CropleyWasGod]

Ok smarty pants, ineligible
Now go and find the rules��

Yessir.

Powers of the Board and Commissions
J16 Upon determining that a breach of or failure to fulfil the Rules or Regulations has
been established, the Board or, as the case may be, a Commission may:-
J16.1 give a warning as to future conduct;
J16.2 give a reprimand;
J16.3 impose a fine;
J16.4 annul the result of an Official Match;
J16.5 order that an Official Match be replayed;
J16.6 impose a deduction of points;
J16.7 award an Official Match (with such deemed score as it thinks appropriate)
to a Club;
J16.8 order the playing of an Official Match or Matches behind closed doors;
J16.9 order the closure of all or part of a Stadium for such period and for such
purposes as it thinks appropriate;
J16.10 order the playing of an Official Match or Matches at such Stadium as it
thinks appropriate;
J16.11 order the relegation of a Club to a lower Division and make such
consequent orders as to promotion as it shall think appropriate;
J16.12 subject to Rule J18, order that a Club be expelled from the League;
J16.13 withdraw or withhold the award of a title or award;
J16.14 order any Club, Official or Player to pay compensation to any Club, Player,
person or party;
J16.15 order any Club, Official or Player to comply with any obligation or
direction;
J16.16 cancel or refuse the League Registration of any Player League Registered
or attempted to be League Registered;
J16.17 order that a Club concerned be debarred from Registering Players for such
period as it thinks appropriate;
J16.18 order that any person, persons or group of persons be prohibited from
attending at such Official Match or Matches and for such period as it
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thinks appropriate;
J16.19 make such other direction, sanction or disposal, not expressly provided for
in these Rules, as it shall think appropriate; and/or
J16.20 make such order as to expenses, including the expenses of the Company
and/or, as the case may be, Commission and/or other party, as it sees appropriate.

[Aldo]

I agree. I thought it was a legitimate goal as well. If that happened to Hibs, I’d be raging as hell with the ref. Having said that, I’m glad it happened to them!

Personally can’t see them getting thrown out of the competition but a points deduction with a 3-0 win awarded for Cove Rangers pretty much effectively knocks them out. [emoji1474]

Saying that watch Berra in his own box. Anyone goes near him whilst defending and he does the dying swan act.

**** em **** em all.

What goes around and all that


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[B.H.F.C]

Over the last two seasons since the format of the League Cup changed, only one team has failed to qualify with 9 points and that was Peterhead last season.

If they lose the 3 points they got against Cove Rangers, the maximum number of points they'll be able to get is 8 points and only one team has qualified with that number of points which again was Peterhead two years ago and they won their group that year.

No team has qualified with 8 points or less as a runner up.

Basically if Cove Rangers get awarded the win from their match against Hearts, then Hearts are almost certainly out.

And yes, the hearing is tomorrow.

Even if they have the points deducted, I think two wins from their two games at Tynecastle guarantees they go through.

[Billy Whizz]

Yessir.

Powers of the Board and Commissions
J16 Upon determining that a breach of or failure to fulfil the Rules or Regulations has
been established, the Board or, as the case may be, a Commission may:-
J16.1 give a warning as to future conduct;
J16.2 give a reprimand;
J16.3 impose a fine;
J16.4 annul the result of an Official Match;
J16.5 order that an Official Match be replayed;
J16.6 impose a deduction of points;
J16.7 award an Official Match (with such deemed score as it thinks appropriate)
to a Club;
J16.8 order the playing of an Official Match or Matches behind closed doors;
J16.9 order the closure of all or part of a Stadium for such period and for such
purposes as it thinks appropriate;
J16.10 order the playing of an Official Match or Matches at such Stadium as it
thinks appropriate;
J16.11 order the relegation of a Club to a lower Division and make such
consequent orders as to promotion as it shall think appropriate;
J16.12 subject to Rule J18, order that a Club be expelled from the League;
J16.13 withdraw or withhold the award of a title or award;
J16.14 order any Club, Official or Player to pay compensation to any Club, Player,
person or party;
J16.15 order any Club, Official or Player to comply with any obligation or
direction;
J16.16 cancel or refuse the League Registration of any Player League Registered
or attempted to be League Registered;
J16.17 order that a Club concerned be debarred from Registering Players for such
period as it thinks appropriate;
J16.18 order that any person, persons or group of persons be prohibited from
attending at such Official Match or Matches and for such period as it
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thinks appropriate;
J16.19 make such other direction, sanction or disposal, not expressly provided for
in these Rules, as it shall think appropriate; and/or
J16.20 make such order as to expenses, including the expenses of the Company
and/or, as the case may be, Commission and/or other party, as it sees appropriate.

Thanks sir

[hfc rd]

Even if they have the points deducted, I think two wins from their two games at Tynecastle guarantees they go through.


It’s very unlikely that will be enough. Only the 4 best 2nd placed teams go through unseeded in the next round.

[B.H.F.C]

It’s very unlikely that will be enough. Only the 4 best 2nd placed teams go through unseeded in the next round.

So they do, forgetting about that.

[Sir David Gray]

It’s very unlikely that will be enough. Only the 4 best 2nd placed teams go through unseeded in the next round.

8 points could see them win the group though which would take them through.

[B.H.F.C]

8 points could see them win the group though which would take them through.

Hopefully Inverness win at home to Raith on Tuesday and end any possibility of that happening.

[Billy Whizz]

Even if they have the points deducted, I think two wins from their two games at Tynecastle guarantees they go through.

It won’t guarantee they’ll go through. As SDG says, most of the next runners who’ve qualified have needed 9 points for 2nd place. If Caley beat Raith on Sunday, they will top the group
Picture of who are likely to get the 4 best runners up spot, won’t be clearer until the midweek games are clearer
After points, it’s GD that counts, and if they are given a 3-0 defeat against Cove, that will probably rule them out

[hfc rd]

8 points could see them win the group though which would take them through.


Yes but they would need Raith to beat Inverness up north which I personally can’t see happening.

[horseflesh]

It’s all all an exercise in futility anyway. That hearts team is gash and ICT will hump them

[theonlywayisup]

It’s very unlikely that will be enough. Only the 4 best 2nd placed teams go through unseeded in the next round.

Correct.

If Killie and St Mirren both win their final two games, they'll be on 10 points.

If Motherwell win their final two games, they'll be on 10 points. Queen of the South already have 9 points.

Patrick Thistle/Ayr United both likely to achieve more points than 8.

St Johnstone/Montrose both likely to achieve more than 8 points.

After that there's probably another two groups where the second place team could achieve more than 8 points.

All ifs and buts though at this stage. All will be clearer by midweek.

[PatHead]

Over the last two seasons since the format of the League Cup changed, only one team has failed to qualify with 9 points and that was Peterhead last season.

If they lose the 3 points they got against Cove Rangers, the maximum number of points they'll be able to get is 8 points and only one team has qualified with that number of points which again was Peterhead two years ago and they won their group that year.

No team has qualified with 8 points or less as a runner up.

Basically if Cove Rangers get awarded the win from their match against Hearts, then Hearts are almost certainly out.

And yes, the hearing is tomorrow.
Thanks for clarifying everything. We will now need to wait on the Spfl. More interested in who we get in Europe though.

[Ozyhibby]

Even if they have the points deducted, I think two wins from their two games at Tynecastle guarantees they go through.

It very much doesn’t.


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[B.H.F.C]

It very much doesn’t.


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Aye I’m aware of that now, it hadn’t occurred to me that not all second placed teams qualify.

[Springbank]

Anyone know what time the outcome [3-0 score to Cove, in all likelihood] is due to be announced today?

[essexhibee]

anyone know what time the outcome [3-0 score to cove, in all likelihood] is due to be announced today?

2pm

[660]

2pm

Meeting starts at 2 apparently so probably a bit later