Hearts field ineligible player vs Cove.

[gogsy23]

Take that. Well played yamloids 👏👏🤟

[Pretty Boy]

I want them to stay in and get horsed out by losing to ICT.

For a cup they dismiss as 'diddy' their record in it is increasingly hilarious. On that level I suppose getting chucked out for needing an ineligible player to beat part timers would be a pretty uniquely funny way to 86 it.

[I'm_cabbaged]

That’s ***** tbh

[Billy Whizz]

At a disciplinary hearing today (Monday, 23 July) a sub-committee of the SPFL Board charged Heart of Midlothian Football Club with playing an ineligible Player (Andrew Irving) in their Betfred Cup group stage match against Cove Rangers FC on 18 July 2018.Heart of Midlothian admitted breaching SPFL Rules and were deducted two points from their Betfred Cup first round group stage tally.The Club were also fined £10,000 (of which £8,000 was suspended until the end of season 2019/20).

So no goal difference deduction?

[SHODAN]

Ah well. 56 years in a row still on the way.

[Peevemor]

I don't understand that at all.

[H18 SFR]

Absolute joke

[Thecat23]

Got off lightly then shock.

[Leithenhibby]

2 points and £10k fine


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8k Suspended.....

[Bostonhibby]

At a disciplinary hearing today (Monday, 23 July) a sub-committee of the SPFL Board charged Heart of Midlothian Football Club with playing an ineligible Player (Andrew Irving) in their Betfred Cup group stage match against Cove Rangers FC on 18 July 2018.Heart of Midlothian admitted breaching SPFL Rules and were deducted two points from their Betfred Cup first round group stage tally.The Club were also fined £10,000 (of which £8,000 was suspended until the end of season 2019/20).And folk laugh at Scottish football. Can't even follow it's own precedents.

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[bodhibs]

That's a scandalous decision

[Austinho]

I don't want them to get kicked out as this would lead to a rightful sense of injustice. Dock the points and prolong the agony as they fail to qualify.Yup, them having to continue playing while effectively knocked out already would be more amusing. On par with last year when they had to take part in a penalty shootout with Dunfermline (and losing) despite having already been dumped out of the competition.

[Sean1875]

2 points WTF? So technically they still gained a point from the match against Cove... makes no sense.

[h185forever]

Ah well ....consistently inconsistent......but each case on its merits ....my erchie !

[SanFranHibs]

Are Cove being awarded 2pts? Or have they just disappeared?

They could have awarded Hearts 2 points. They would still be crap.

[Smartie]

You really have to question how our authorities manage to consistently inconsistently apply the rules and get away with it.

[SirDavidsNapper]

Only in Scottish football can a decision like that be made

[Chic Murray]

Move along, nothing to see here.

[Hibbyradge]

Have Cove been awarded 2 points?

[oconnors_strip]

How can they have a suspended £8k fine? What do they need to do to pay that?

[Thecat23]

So can they still qualify yeah? Many games are left?

[mutley]

Deducted 2 points and a fine

[Pretty Boy]

So how does 2 points become the conclusion? Seems a way to be seen to punish them but leave the door open for them to qualify.

Irrelevant anyway as they have no chance of winning the 'wee cup' anyway.

[Oscar T Grouch]

Lucky that, if they’d been deducted 3 points they might have struggled to qualify. 🤔 2 points makes it easier for them to get to the last 16 now!

[Del Boy]

Dundee Utd did similar in a game v ICT 2 years ago - 3 point deduction and a £30k fine!!!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36265268

[Not In The Know]

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got off lightly then...

[Paisley Hibby]

Dundee Utd did similar in a game v ICT 2 years ago - 3 point deduction and a £30k fine!!!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36265268
But they played 2 ineligibile players

[Jim44]

So can they still qualify yeah? Many games are left?

It means that they need to win their two remaining games to have a chance of qualifying as one of the best runners up

[SanFranHibs]

Knowing them, they might appeal this very 'unfair' decision. And knowing our governing bodies they will win their appeal and have it reduced to 1pt and a cheque allowed to bounce.

:greengrin

[JohnMcM]

Baffled by that decision to be honest. It just doesn't make sense.

To be clear, I don't really care, I'm just at a loss as to how that decision has come about.

I'd love to hear an explanation about the rationale behind such a curious outcome.:confused:

[murray26]

This is just make the rules up as you go along.. what about cove..? What do they get.. ? Shambles but no surprise..

[hibbyfraelibby]

Deducted 2 point means they have declared the game a draw. Have the awarded Cove 2pts as well?

[Delboy4]

So in a nutshell...


Cove don't benefit from the jambos playing their unsigned player! They lose 2 points which leave them on 3 points now and Cove on NIL point :confused:

Is this the SPFL giving them a chance to qualify as they are playing Cowdenbeath next.

AND £8k suspended, so if they don't do it again they've walked away with a £2k fine! #joke

Shambolic by these **** in Glasgow

[MacGruber]

So how does 2 points become the conclusion? Seems a way to be seen to punish them but leave the door open for them to qualify.

Irrelevant anyway as they have no chance of winning the 'wee cup' anyway.

You've answered your own question. 3 points sees them out. SPFL cant get away without points deduction. Farcical cop out not to put Ann Budge or Hearts out. Cheats prosper again. They will go through now no doubt.

Absolutely no relevance in 2 points. It was the 3 points that it merited or nothing. A 2 point deduction doesn't exist. Made up nonesense. Scottish football a laughing stock joke. I'm out.

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#HMFC


got off lightly then...

Definitely, the extra point could make all the difference.

[we are hibs]

So can they still qualify yeah? Many games are left?

They have cowdenbeath at home tomorrow then Inverness on Sunday at home. I think ICT are 4 goals clear of them so they would need to turn that around over the 2 games and hope Inverness don't win by a decent margin tomorrow

[green day]

I dont really understand how you can dock 2 points? Either nowt or 3 points I would have thought?

Doesnt really make any sense????

Dont really care, but very strange decision.

[007]

This is just make the rules up as you go along.. what about cove..? What do they get.. ? Shambles but no surprise..

Unbelievable but that's the SPFL for you. Would love to hear the explanation why they've decided it was different from the other near identical previous situations but I don't expect we will.

[we are hibs]

Are people genuinely surprised? We live in the most corrupt footballing country in the world where cheating is rewarded.

[Austinho]

Do Hearts get to keep their +1 goal difference from the Cove game?

[Sean1875]

They honestly just make it up as they go along. Awarding Cove a 3-0 win would be a perfectly justifiable course of action to take and one which many expected and none could argue against. This 2 point deduction and 80% of their fine being suspended is just utter nonsense.

[green day]

Are people genuinely surprised? We live in the most corrupt footballing country in the world where cheating is rewarded.

Bit of an exaggeration, surely?

[PapillonVert]

Deducted 2 point means they have declared the game a draw. Have the awarded Cove 2pts as well?

If the beaks have declared the game was a draw, logically you would think that CR would be awarded 1 point. You don't get 2 pts for a draw. But, hey, this is Scottish football officialdom at its most opaque, so who knows? :confused:

[Daydreamer]

So in essence, beat Cowdenbeath then Inverness and they win the group on goal difference which has'nt been penalised. Cheats

[marinello59]

Are people genuinely surprised? We live in the most corrupt footballing country in the world where cheating is rewarded.

We don’t. That’s more than a bit OTT.

[hibbyfraelibby]

If the beaks have declared the game was a draw, logically you would think that CR would be awarded 1 point. You don't get 2 pts for a draw. But, hey, this is Scottish football officialdom at its most opaque, so who knows? :confused:

You do get 2pts for a draw in the LC if you win the shoot out.

[007]

Do Hearts get to keep their +1 goal difference from the Cove game?

They'll wait until after all the group matches before they make a decision on that.

[calumhibee1]

Baffled by that decision to be honest. It just doesn't make sense.

To be clear, I don't really care, I'm just at a loss as to how that decision has come about.

I'd love to hear an explanation about the rationale behind such a curious outcome.:confused:

Likewise. I don't really care, Hearts have been punished and that's fine by me but it's like they just make it up as they go along and deduct teams x amount of points depending on what mood they're in that day. Why is there no defined rules in place for when this kind of thing happens? :confused: Only in Scotland could teams doing the same thing be given all sorts of different punishments.

[Delboy4]

Just a thought, maybe somebody could clear this up.


In the League Cup, do teams get cash bonuses on their points achieved?

If so, the SPFL have just cheated
Cover Rangers out of 3 points and a bit of cash.

And if so, should Cove protest to the shi77y governing body through in Glasgow ?

[Real Emerald]

If they are trying to be fair in regards to the tie it's self then Cove get a 2-1 defeat despite the crime of Hearts fielding an ineligible player, they have been shafted and have gained nothing from the perceived crime of being cheated on the night. Farcical decision really and Hearts also get to keep their +1 goal as well!!

[Del Boy]

But they played 2 ineligibile players

One was an unused sub.

[SquashedFrogg]

We don’t. That’s more than a bit OTT.

Still corrupt - which isn't a good thing.

[we are hibs]

We don’t. That’s more than a bit OTT.

You must have missed the part where rangers cheated clubs for years and got away with it

[marinello59]

Still corrupt - which isn't a good thing.

Where’s the corruption? Mismanaged and lacking consistency, Yes. But corrupt?

[Ozyhibby]

Gives them a great chance of qualifying if they win their 2 games.
Scottish football is run by imbeciles.


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[Bostonhibby]

You must have missed the part where rangers cheated clubs for years and got away with itBut they sometimes have to call themselves The rangers now. That's the type of punishments five way agreements and "moving on" gets you, sadly.

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[Ozyhibby]

Where’s the corruption? Mismanaged and lacking consistency, Yes. But corrupt?

The lack of transparency make such allegations very easy to make.
The LNS decision where the SFA changed or withheld evidence was clear corruption.
If the SFA don’t think so they can sue me if they like.


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[Jim44]

I get the impression that the KB muppets think the decision was a victory, that they are now almost certain to qualify and that we, somehow are seething losers.

[Bishop Hibee]

I thought a 3 point deduction and a 10K fine was a shoo-in. I reckoned without SPFL shamelessly having different rules for clubs st different levels. Farcical.

[Aldo]

Bottled it big time and once again it is there for all to see!

Left them enough room to qualify

Shocking decision imho!

Cove are the ones that will feel more aggrieved (mind you a lot on here will)


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[danhibees1875]

To be fair, Hearts could have played me and still beaten Cove - calling the game a draw, as weird a conclusion as that is to come to, is still a punishment. It's not as if they actually cheated, they just overlooked a bit of paper work. :dunno:

[Gordy M]

To be fair, Hearts could have played me and still beaten Cove - calling the game a draw, as weird a conclusion as that is to come to, is still a punishment. It's not as if they actually cheated, they just overlooked a bit of paper work. :dunno:

Its not a draw though....unless Cove have also been awarded points??

[Ralphy C]

If the beaks have declared the game was a draw, logically you would think that CR would be awarded 1 point. You don't get 2 pts for a draw. But, hey, this is Scottish football officialdom at its most opaque, so who knows? :confused:
Looks like the result stands but two points deducted for breaking rules of competition, makes some sense as the points are deducted win,lose or draw the match.

[Real Emerald]

To be fair, Hearts could have played me and still beaten Cove - calling the game a draw, as weird a conclusion as that is to come to, is still a punishment. It's not as if they actually cheated, they just overlooked a bit of paper work. :dunno:

If they're calling it a draw then they should lose a goal and cove receive a point and a goal otherwise Cove get nothing from Hearts breaking the rules against them.

[GillyHibee]

To be fair, Hearts could have played me and still beaten Cove - calling the game a draw, as weird a conclusion as that is to come to, is still a punishment. It's not as if they actually cheated, they just overlooked a bit of paper work. :dunno:

They did cheat. They have played an unregistered player, which is against the rules.

I hope that Cove Rangers put something into the SFA.

[Austinho]

Silly decision. What if (and it’s a big if) Hearts go on to win the competition? Would be highly contentious.

Still, while we’re finding out our European opposition, Hearts are finding out how much they’ve been penalised for their incompetence- joke is still on them, scandal or not.

[SquashedFrogg]

Where’s the corruption?Mismanaged and lacking consistency, Yes. But corrupt?


:faf:

[marinello59]

You must have missed the part where rangers cheated clubs for years and got away with it

So if it had been Cove who made a clerical error and received the same punishment you would be expressing exactly the same degree of outrage? I doubt you would even raise an eyebrow.

[danhibees1875]

Its not a draw though....unless Cove have also been awarded points??


If they're calling it a draw then they should lose a goal and cove receive a point and a goal otherwise Cove get nothing from Hearts breaking the rules against them.

Fair points, which seems harsh on Cove relative to other similar incidents. It seems like the win stands and they're deducted 2 points for the mistake (as someone says above). It just effectively nullifies their points for the win down to a draw equivalent.



They did cheat. They have played an unregistered player, which is against the rules.

I hope that Cove Rangers put something into the SFA.

They made a mistake with some paperwork, played some player who they've had signed for a while who isn't exactly a stand out player (I'm guessing). It's not a deliberate act to break the rules and gain advantage, so it's not cheating IMO.

[660]

They’ll finish second and go out most likely it would seem.

[Geo_1875]

So if it had been Cove who made a clerical error and received the same punishment you would be expressing exactly the same degree of outrage? I doubt you would even raise an eyebrow.

But they have been making "clerical errors" for years and always seem to get away with it. Something stinks and it's not just their fans.

[marinello59]

:faf:

Good point, well made. You can’t argue with well reasoned stuff like that. I’m out.

[Johnny_Leith]

Establishment club. No surprise.

[SquashedFrogg]

So if it had been Cove who made a clerical error and received the same punishment you would be expressing exactly the same degree of outrage? I doubt you would even raise an eyebrow.

And why would he? Cove (a) aren't a rival club, and (b) haven't got history of cheating within the Scottish game*

*Haven't actually checked this fact :greengrin

[SquashedFrogg]

Good point, well made. You can’t argue with well reasoned stuff like that. I’m out.

:faf::faf:

[Billy Whizz]

They’ll finish second and go out most likely it would seem.

Two wins could put them on the same points as Inverness. At the moment Inverness have a goal advantage of +4 v Hearts
Inverness would need to match or better Hearts score tomorrow night.
If Hearts go into last game v Inverness on -4 goals, a 3-0 victory would let them top the group
It’s too early to say if they finished 2nd on 9 points, if they could get one of the four runners up spots

What a boost this has given them and their fans, and 2 potentially big gates as well

[grammyb111]

Fair points, which seems harsh on Cove relative to other similar incidents. It seems like the win stands and they're deducted 2 points for the mistake (as someone says above). It just effectively nullifies their points for the win down to a draw equivalent.




They made a mistake with some paperwork, played some player who they've had signed for a while who isn't exactly a stand out player (I'm guessing). It's not a deliberate act to break the rules and gain advantage, so it's not cheating IMO.

This is where I am too, they didn't cheat. In a league situation you can't very well award points to the team they were playing against, the same error could have been made against anyone and impacts the rest of the league. In a straight knock-out, the punishment being a replay/losing team going through doesn't impact other teams so is more fair.

Can't see how they can justify the punishment being 2pts, but I agree with the points not being awarded to Cove.

[Billy Whizz]

Two wins could put them on the same points as Inverness. At the moment Inverness have a goal advantage of +4 v Hearts
Inverness would need to match or better Hearts score tomorrow night.
If Hearts go into last game v Inverness on -4 goals, a 3-0 victory would let them top the group
It’s too early to say if they finished 2nd on 9 points, if they could get one of the four runners up spots

What a boost this has given them and their fans, and 2 potentially big gates as well

Table updated on Sky

[Spike Mandela]

Where’s the corruption? Mismanaged and lacking consistency, Yes. But corrupt?

Where's the corruption???? Have you had your eyes and ears shut for the last 6 years. The authorities in this country don't even hide how blatant they are. This fudge is a joke but Hearts quite rightly probably defended themselves by pointing to the treatment of Rangers cheating.

[007]

Establishment club. No surprise.

Semi-Establishment club :rolleyes:. A 100% Establishment club would have got away with just a telling off and asked who they'd like to play in the next round.

[G B Young]

Why is 8k of the 10k fine suspended? What does this actually mean? That they have to pay it in 2020? If so, what's the thinking behind that? Or does it mean there's some sort of leeway for them not to have to pay it?

A 10k fine that had to be paid right away would hit them pretty hard.

[GreenCastle]

Looks like the result stands but two points deducted for breaking rules of competition, makes some sense as the points are deducted win,lose or draw the match.

It doesn’t make sense.

They broke the rules during the game in a competition.

The outcome is now a win has turned into a draw.

Cove should be awarded the 3 points as Hearts broke the rules.

What if it was a knockout game ? They would chuck Hearts out ?
Surely they have to show consistency otherwise it may happen in knockouts and you can’t take 2 points off a team?!

[Callum_62]

absolutely baffling

[Brightside]

Why is 8k of the 10k fine suspended? What does this actually mean? That they have to pay it in 2020? If so, what's the thinking behind that? Or does it mean there's some sort of leeway for them not to have to pay it?

A 10k fine that had to be paid right away would hit them pretty hard.
They won’t pay any of th suspended find unless they make the same errro again.

[danhibees1875]

This is where I am too, they didn't cheat. In a league situation you can't very well award points to the team they were playing against, the same error could have been made against anyone and impacts the rest of the league. In a straight knock-out, the punishment being a replay/losing team going through doesn't impact other teams so is more fair.

Can't see how they can justify the punishment being 2pts, but I agree with the points not being awarded to Cove.

:agree: Cove aren't going to be anywhere near the top, but if they were it would be unfair on Raith etc.


Why is 8k of the 10k fine suspended? What does this actually mean? That they have to pay it in 2020? If so, what's the thinking behind that? Or does it mean there's some sort of leeway for them not to have to pay it?

A 10k fine that had to be paid right away would hit them pretty hard.

It is a £10k fine. A further £8k is suspended, which means if they do it again they'll have to pay it as well as the fine for doing it again - if that makes sense.

[CropleyWasGod]

Why is 8k of the 10k fine suspended? What does this actually mean? That they have to pay it in 2020? If so, what's the thinking behind that? Or does it mean there's some sort of leeway for them not to have to pay it?

A 10k fine that had to be paid right away would hit them pretty hard.

It will be suspended pending further rule-breaking. If there is none, the additional £8k won't be due.

(They already have a £7k fine from the SFA, for disciplinary issues, which was imposed last week.)

[CropleyWasGod]

:agree: Cove aren't going to be anywhere near the top, but if they were it would be unfair on Raith etc.



It is a £10k fine. A further £8k is suspended, which means if they do it again they'll have to pay it as well as the fine for doing it again - if that makes sense.

Only £2k is due now.

https://spfl.co.uk/news/article/hearts-sanctioned-at-spfl-hearing/

[G B Young]

It will be suspended pending further rule-breaking. If there is none, the additional £8k won't be due.

(They already have a £7k fine from the SFA, for disciplinary issues, which was imposed last week.)

Cheers.

I wasn't aware of the 7k fine last week but yes, here it is:

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish-fa/football-governance/disciplinary/disciplinary-updates/

Not sure I understand the wording but I'm guessing it means they are repeat offenders when it comes to their disciplinary record.

So £17k in fines for indiscipline and rule-breaking in the space of a week. They're an admirable establishment to be sure...

[BonnieFitbaTeam]

No one wants to see the Jambos humbled more than me, but am I missing something here? The game was a draw so one point each. Hertz then won the penalty shoot-out so, as I understand it, got a bonus point for their trouble. So the beaks have deducted the two points they gained from the win on penalties, no?

I'd had added an extra zero to the fine all the same!!

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Hearts will win the cup now. Nap.

[green day]

No one wants to see the Jambos humbled more than me, but am I missing something here? The game was a draw so one point each. Hertz then won the penalty shoot-out so, as I understand it, got a bonus point for their trouble. So the beaks have deducted the two points they gained from the win on penalties, no?

I'd had added an extra zero to the fine all the same!!

They won the game 2-1

[Souter96Mac]

Hearts now thinking they're through to the knockout rounds. If their two previous results are anything to go by, they'll be in for a shock.

[danhibees1875]

Only £2k is due now.

https://spfl.co.uk/news/article/hearts-sanctioned-at-spfl-hearing/

Clearly read it wrong. That's a pretty tiny fine. :rolleyes:

[JimBHibees]

Incredible decision purely designed to get them through. Tbe precedents were clearly set in other decisions 3pts loss or fine depending on whether ineligible player took part. This compromise decision is laughable. Hearts will be thinking they have won a watch. Laughable governance.

[BonnieFitbaTeam]

They won the game 2-1

Good point, very well made. Should be ****ing 3 points then, useless ****ing SPL ****ers !!!

There...that feels much better :agree:

[Ged]

By being inconsistent in how they deal with this the SPFL have given themselves a bit of wiggle room if Celtic or Rangers ever do it. If it's a blanket 3-0 defeat and fine then they would have to dish out the same punishment to them if it ever happens.

Now they can just deal with them however they like without any precedent.

[Thecat23]

They won the game 2-1

They drew 1-1 and got a bonus point for winning pens. So overall gained 2 points.

[stantonhibby]

They drew 1-1 and got a bonus point for winning pens. So overall gained 2 points.

Nope....they won the match 1-2

[wazoo1875]

They drew 1-1 and got a bonus point for winning pens. So overall gained 2 points.

That was the Raith game on Saturday

[Thecat23]

Nope....they won the match 1-2

Sorry I thought we were talking about the Raith game.

[Greenfly]

They drew 1-1 and got a bonus point for winning pens. So overall gained 2 points.
They beat Cove 2 - 1 in normal time. It was against Raith that they scraped the extra point on penalties.

[Ralphy C]

They drew 1-1 and got a bonus point for winning pens. So overall gained 2 points.
you're getting the cove and raith games mixed

[WhileTheChief..]

Where’s the corruption? Mismanaged and lacking consistency, Yes. But corrupt?

It’s a kinda staple reply on here to things we don’t like :wink:

[Ralphy C]

It doesn’t make sense.

They broke the rules during the game in a competition.

The outcome is now a win has turned into a draw.

Cove should be awarded the 3 points as Hearts broke the rules.

What if it was a knockout game ? They would chuck Hearts out ?
Surely they have to show consistency otherwise it may happen in knockouts and you can’t take 2 points off a team?!
The win has not turned into a draw though, they've been deducted 2 points which would still be the case had they lost the game.

[Wakeyhibee]

surely in the interests of all clubs the SFA & SPFL should have a standardised punishment for all clubs in all competitions. And the meeting is a simple did they field an ineligible player?
yes/no decision.

[Real Emerald]

The win has not turned into a draw though, they've been deducted 2 points which would still be the case had they lost the game.

If they'd lost the game they would have lost 3 points, goal difference and Cove would have gained 3 points and goal difference. Cove have received no more advantage in the outcome than any other team in the group and yet they were the ones the offence happened against which surely isn't right.

[CropleyWasGod]

The win has not turned into a draw though, they've been deducted 2 points which would still be the case had they lost the game.They would have been 3 points worse off, Shirley?

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[007]

They've been given another chance to **** it up all over again.

[we are hibs]

So if it had been Cove who made a clerical error and received the same punishment you would be expressing exactly the same degree of outrage? I doubt you would even raise an eyebrow.

I'd still think the SFA/SPFL are a bunch of corrupt, cheating ****s. I'm not sure what you're point is? Do you think cheating should be accepted

[SquashedFrogg]

It’s a kinda staple reply on here to things we don’t like :wink:

Not really. There are many things people don't like but we don't question morality, honesty, logic.

The SFA however often have us questioning these points.

Decades of strange and inconsistent decisions must raise some level of doubt?

[Billy Whizz]

No comment from Cove. Wonder if they are thinking of appealing, as the outcome has no points benefit to them

[Thecat23]

No comment from Cove. Wonder if they are thinking of appealing, as the outcome has no points benefit to them

Hopefully as they have been shafted here.

[Ralphy C]

They would have been 3 points worse off, Shirley?

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Yes, but not via the punishment.

[Joe6-2]

I said they would get away with it, and they almost have. Scottish football run by idiots

[green day]

No comment from Cove. Wonder if they are thinking of appealing, as the outcome has no points benefit to them

Well, thats not technically right.

If Cove were any good, and challenging at the top of the group - Hearts losing 2 points would help them.

I dont think in the circumstances of a group competition you can "gift" points to a team as that would potentially disadvantage Raith / Inverness, no?

[hibeedonald]

Even on KB they are baffled that's it not 3 points.

I don't believe an admin error should be a points deduction in the first place (it clearly gave them no real sporting advantage) but purely because a precedent has been set, it HAS to be 3 points.

Mental decision.

[CropleyWasGod]

Yes, but not via the punishment.Not getting you.

The win has turned into a draw. They had 3 points from the game. They now have 1.

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[Greenfly]

They've been given another chance to **** it up all over again.


Here's hoping they embrace that chance fully. A draw with wee Robbo's blue and red army should be enough and would add another nice twist to the tale.

[Billy Whizz]

Well, thats not technically right.

If Cove were any good, and challenging at the top of the group - Hearts losing 2 points would help them.

I dont think in the circumstances of a group competition you can "gift" points to a team as that would potentially disadvantage Raith / Inverness, no?
The 2 points Hearts lost, should be given to them

[GreenCastle]

The win has not turned into a draw though, they've been deducted 2 points which would still be the case had they lost the game.

Well 3 points which you get for a win in 90 mins has now been deducted 2 points - so really Hearts get 1 point which is a draw and Cove still have 0 points considering they played a a team with a player who wasn’t allowed to be on the field - let alone on the team sheet due to the rules.

It’s baffling and I’ve seen non league / lowland league teams etc hammered worse than this for less.

No on has told me what will happen if this happens in a knockout game in the future?

[green day]

The 2 points Hearts lost, should be given to them

Not supporting Hearts on this - they have made a huge error.

However, is it fair to Raith / ICT to "give" points to Cove?

I dont think so - totally different if it was a knockout phase.

[GreenCastle]

Even on KB they are baffled that's it not 3 points.

I don't believe an admin error should be a points deduction in the first place (it clearly gave them no real sporting advantage) but purely because a precedent has been set, it HAS to be 3 points.

Mental decision.

This sporting advantage talk is pub talk nonsense.

How do you even measure sporting advantage?

They broke the rules SIMPLE. They have now had the oddest punishment and a first as far as I’m aware.

It’s either a fine and no points or lose all 3 points or even a replay at worst - 2 points has made Scottish Football look even more amateur.

[BoomtownHibees]

Even on KB they are baffled that's it not 3 points.

I don't believe an admin error should be a points deduction in the first place (it clearly gave them no real sporting advantage) but purely because a precedent has been set, it HAS to be 3 points.

Mental decision.

“No real sporting advantage”. They won the game

[K-Zazu]

2 points? What’s the thinking behind that?

[kaimendhibs]

They are basically getting another chance to qualify. Always getting away with it🤢🤢

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[Ralphy C]

Not getting you.

The win has turned into a draw. They had 3 points. They now have 1.

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The win has not turned into a draw if it had Cove would have a point. The punishment had to be given regardless of the result of the match. 2 points deduction is what they came up with, whether thats right is another question.

[wookie70]

U13 and 14 teams lose the match or ties for fielding ineligible players. Unbelievable that Cove play against a team fielding a player who is not allowed to play and get nothing from the game. Baffling decision by the authorities

[007]

2 points? What’s the thinking behind that?

Punish them but still give them the chance to get through. It will be at the expense of a club that didn't break the rules but hopefully if they get through the extra point and 4 goals better off doesn't make a difference but it probably will.

[GreenCastle]

Not supporting Hearts on this - they have made a huge error.

However, is it fair to Raith / ICT to "give" points to Cove?

I dont think so - totally different if it was a knockout phase.

It doesn’t matter about Raith and ICT here - it’s to do with what happend in the Cove v Hearts game.

Unfortunate as it would be for Raith and ICT - Cove should have been awarded 3 points.

If teams can’t fufuil fixtures - those results are scrapped from a league. It’s not ideal but happens in football at lower levels.

If the same happens again in a group stage game or knockout game - will it be -2 points again ?

[Billy Whizz]

It doesn’t matter about Raith and ICT here - it’s to do with what happend in the Cove v Hearts game.

Unfortunate as it would be for Raith and ICT - Cove should have been awarded 3 points.

If teams can’t fufuil fixtures - those results are scrapped from a league. It’s not ideal but happens in football at lower levels.

If the same happens again in a group stage game or knockout game - will it be -2 points again ?
That’s the issue, what happens if you deduct -2 points, or the equivalent from a winning team, in a knockout round. Do they still go through

[green day]

It doesn’t matter about Raith and ICT here - it’s to do with what happend in the Cove v Hearts game.

Unfortunate as it would be for Raith and ICT - Cove should have been awarded 3 points.

If teams can’t fufuil fixtures - those results are scrapped from a league. It’s not ideal but happens in football at lower levels.

If the same happens again in a group stage game or knockout game - will it be -2 points again ?

In a knockout game that option wouldnt exist.

However, in a group stage game they have the option to punish Hearts and also not give an advantage to another team, which is what they have come up with.

Why its not 3 is beyond me - perhaps punishment is based on the severity of the offence :dunno:

[007]

That’s the issue, what happens if you deduct -2 points, or the equivalent from a winning team, in a knockout round. Do they still go through

The SPFL have left themselves nowhere to go but no doubt would somehow class the circumstances as different.

[GreenCastle]

In a knockout game that option wouldnt exist.

However, in a group stage game they have the option to punish Hearts and also not give an advantage to another team, which is what they have come up with.

Why its not 3 is beyond me - perhaps punishment is based on the severity of the offence :dunno:

Obviously the option wouldn’t exist - so what happens ? One rule for knockout - one rule for group stage ?

[green day]

Obviously the option wouldn’t exist - so what happens ? One rule for knockout - one rule for group stage ?

That sounds like exactly what they have come up with - remember, there are no draws in knockout, no points to play for, so its win or lose.

Here, they have come up with a fudge (because they can).

Sets a precedent now though.

[BoomtownHibees]

That sounds like exactly what they have come up with - remember, there are no draws in knockout, no points to play for, so its win or lose.

Here, they have come up with a fudge (because they can).

Sets a precedent now though.

The same rule should be applied whether it’s knock out or a group game. The result should be overturned and a 3-0 win awarded to the other team. If that’s knock out football, then you are out. If it’s within a group, the other team gain the 3 points, you get 0 and the goal difference reflects the 3-0 result.

That’s how simple it “should” be

[blackpoolhibs]

Its Scottish football authorities we are dealing with here, of course they are going to make an arse of things.

[Thecat23]

Ann Budge voted off the SPFL board.

[GreenCastle]

The same rule should be applied whether it’s knock out or a group game. The result should be overturned and a 3-0 win awarded to the other team. If that’s knock out football, then you are out. If it’s within a group, the other team gain the 3 points, you get 0 and the goal difference reflects the 3-0 result.

That’s how simple it “should” be

Exactly.

Many just saying it’s Scottish Football but what do you expect - but really it’s amateur governance of one of the main cup competitions we have..

55 years and counting for any yams looking in..

[Billy Whizz]

Ann Budge voted off the SPFL board.

Thought it was the end of her 2 year term?

[Kato]

Ann Budge voted off the SPFL board.

Shame, she was "a breath of fresh air." Dunno why or what it was she did but she was.

[Keith_M]

Very strange decision, given previous 3-0 awards to other sides.

[Biggie]

Pathetic......seems it's all about who you are / know......poor wee Cove, their minnows, **** em over, they'll do nowt.

[Famous Fiver]

I take it CL was right behind wee Annie when pleading her case at the hearing.

Can't quite get my head round it.

[The_Horde]

Ann Budge voted off the SPFL board.

Take -2 points, a fine and losing your place on the board. But you better make sure you win the f****** thing ok?

[AK86]

They won't beat ICT anyway, they are pants.

[Bostonhibby]

Thieves. Don't have to worry about dressing it up any more. A slightly less than deserved penalty will always be found.

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[hibbyfraelibby]

Shame, she was "a breath of fresh air." Dunno why or what it was she did but she was.

Think you mean Lavender and Old Lace rather than fresh air from our fragrent DrBodge

[SirDavidsNapper]

They won't beat ICT anyway, they are pants.

Not when one of their former reserve players is the main man at Tynecastle

[GRA]

Very strange decision, given previous 3-0 awards to other sides.Exactly. In every scenario where an ineligible player got some game time the result was overturned. Seems strange the 'punishment' this time was a deduction which was just enough to still leave qualification in their own hands. Coincidence? I think not...

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[Sergio sledge]

Strange punishment, if it was a knockout game they'd forfeit the match, but because it was a group game they are only docked 2 points.

Still funny to see them screwing up again under the magnificent management of the director of football.

[Tug Wilson]

Even my Jambo mate says that it is a fudge and shows that the management of Scottish football is crap.

I wonder if it would have been a 3 point deduction if they had beaten Raith and on 6 points. Seems the deduction has been calculated to give them a chance of qualifying.

[McrHibee]

Cove wouldn't progress from the group either way, so no point in dwelling on them missing out. The 2 points instead of 3 seems bizarre but I think many are ignoring the fact that Hearts are on the ropes, the odious Levein is already talking about ringing the changes from the Raith debacle on Saturday by throwing more kids into the nest, and Cowdenbeath are heading to Tynecastle tomorrow where a draw would mean it's virtually impossible for Hearts to progress despite that lat game against Inverness, and Cowden win (20-1!) would put effectively put them through at the Jambos' expense. Now that would be some start to their season.... So C'mon Cowden!!

[007]

Jambos play Inverness at 3pm on Sunday after all the other matches have been played on Saturday (all 3pm kick offs) so they will know exactly what is required to qualify (assuming they don't mess up tomorrow against Cowdenbeath). It's a conspiracy I tell ya! :agree:

[CropleyWasGod]

Jambos play Inverness at 3pm on Sunday after all the other matches have been played on Saturday (all 3pm kick offs) so they will know exactly what is required to qualify (assuming they don't mess up tomorrow against Cowdenbeath). It's a conspiracy I tell ya! :agree:

It's only between them and ICT, in reality, so playing it 24 hours earlier wouldn't have made a difference.

[basehibby]

Utterly baffling and wrong headed "decision" (read FUDGE) from the authorities. With idiots like these in charge its little wonder they manage to negotiate garbage TV deals.

The precedents are crystal clear 're awarding a 3-0 victory to the wronged team in such circumstances. And even the fine has been couched to gift the Yams an easy ride.

AND Cove Rangers robbed of 3 points due to them - WTF are these Muppets playing at ?!?

[007]

It's only between them and ICT, in reality, so playing it 24 hours earlier wouldn't have made a difference.

If both win tomorrow, which is quite likely, then Hearts win against ICT on Sunday both will be on 9 points. They'll know beforehand what points / goal diff is needed for 2nd place to get one of the 4 best 2nd placed teams. It is quite feasible some 2nd placed teams on 9 points will qualify and some won't.

[CropleyWasGod]

If both win tomorrow, which is quite likely, then Hearts win against ICT on Sunday both will be on 9 points. They'll know beforehand what points / goal diff is needed for 2nd place to get one of the 4 best 2nd placed teams. It is quite feasible some 2nd placed teams on 9 points will qualify and some won't.

Ah gotcha :aok:

[007]

Ah gotcha :aok:

Just checked and last year Peterhead on 9 points lost out to Killie on goal difference.

That said, I can see ICT getting something from the game on Sunday and would love to see a repeat of last year's pointless penalty shootout where Cathro headed down the tunnel at the final whistle and had to turn and come back.

[Lancs Harp]

Meanwhile across the City, A night of European glory beckons. :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

If both win tomorrow, which is quite likely, then Hearts win against ICT on Sunday both will be on 9 points. They'll know beforehand what points / goal diff is needed for 2nd place to get one of the 4 best 2nd placed teams. It is quite feasible some 2nd placed teams on 9 points will qualify and some won't.

An extra 3 points for ICT would likely get them seeded though so they will have something to play for.


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[SirDavidsNapper]

Potter now in the papers saying Hearts will be going "all out" to progress in the league cup. An absolute hammering is on the cards for Cowdenbeath tonight.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

I'm sure the yam love in will continue with wee fat Robbo lending them full support when ICT come calling.

[matty_f]

Really struggling to get at all bothered about this.

It's almost as if my attention is taken up on anticipating our European night instead.

[macca70]

It would make sense for them to have set out punishments for re-occurring offence such as playing an unregistered eg 3-0 loss in group or straight or expulsion in knockout stage.

It seems convenient that a 2 point punishment still keeps them within 3 points of top but also doesn’t drop them down any places. Very convenient!! Theses punishments seem quite inconsistent. Smaller clubs seem to get treated a bit harsher than bigger clubs IMO

[greenginger]

I see the good doctor has been voted off the SPFL Board .

Maybe its been discovered she is not the future of Scottish football

[ancient hibee]

It would make sense for them to have set out punishments for re-occurring offence such as playing an unregistered eg 3-0 loss in group or straight or expulsion in knockout stage.

It seems convenient that a 2 point punishment still keeps them within 3 points of top but also doesn’t drop them down any places. Very convenient!! Theses punishments seem quite inconsistent. Smaller clubs seem to get treated a bit harsher than bigger clubs IMO
Interestingly the Scotsman has them 4 points from the top but that is only because this shadow of a great newspaper is unable to deduct 2from5 accurately.

[brog]

So effectively the deduction of points from the Yams was pretty meaningless. If they hadn't lost 2 points they would still have had to beat ICT next game. Only way Yams can end up being punished for their transgression is if they draw & fail to qualify in 2nd spot because of the deduction.

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