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Juniper Greens
24-06-2018, 12:08 PM
Just trying to get my head around how much of a game changer this could be...

So I'm guessing it's an additional €20,000 for each qualifying round, rather than an additional €260,000 say for getting through the first qualifying round?



Preliminary round: €220,000
First qualifying round: €240,000
Second qualifying round: €260,000
Third qualifying round: €280,000
Play-off round elimination: €300,000
Base fee for group stage: €2,920,000
Group match victory: €570,000
Group match draw: €190,000
Group winners: €1,000,000
Group runners-up: €500,000
Round of 32: €500,000
Round of 16: €1,100,000
Quarter-finals: €1,500,000
Semi-finals: €2,400,000
Losing finalist: €4,500,000
Winners: €8,500,000

CropleyWasGod
24-06-2018, 12:10 PM
Just trying to get my head around how much of a game changer this could be...

So I'm guessing it's an additional €20,000 for each qualifying round, rather than an additional €260,000 say for getting through the first qualifying round?



Preliminary round: €220,000
First qualifying round: €240,000
Second qualifying round: €260,000
Third qualifying round: €280,000
Play-off round elimination: €300,000
Base fee for group stage: €2,920,000
Group match victory: €570,000
Group match draw: €190,000
Group winners: €1,000,000
Group runners-up: €500,000
Round of 32: €500,000
Round of 16: €1,100,000
Quarter-finals: €1,500,000
Semi-finals: €2,400,000
Losing finalist: €4,500,000
Winners: €8,500,000


It's cumulative

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Juniper Greens
24-06-2018, 12:13 PM
It's cumulative

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So on prize money alone, the income disparity between playoff round and group stages is huge!

Something to build for over the next couple of years hopefully

Michael
24-06-2018, 02:33 PM
I think you just get the extra 20k or so. Wouldn't be fair if you come in at round 2 if it was cumulative, but I don't know for sure.

Billy Whizz
24-06-2018, 02:41 PM
I think you just get the extra 20k or so. Wouldn't be fair if you come in at round 2 if it was cumulative, but I don't know for sure.

You get the payment for each round. As Crops said

1st round we get €220,000 Euros and if we beat the Faroes team we get another €240,000, and so on

HiBremian
24-06-2018, 03:16 PM
You get the payment for each round. As Crops said

1st round we get €220,000 Euros and if we beat the Faroes team we get another €240,000, and so on

The cumulative income for a good run could match or better anything we might get for SJM, minus St Mirren's cut. Interestingly, the last play-off game is on August 30th, 24 hours before the transfer window shuts.

The Tache will have got his calculator out already. :cb

Sioux
24-06-2018, 03:18 PM
1st round we get €220,000 Euros and if we beat the Faroes team we get another €240,000, and so on

Nah.

The prize money is based on what stage a team reaches, which is not the same as getting the published prize money each time a team played in a particular round.

Up to the league stages each team is paid an amount depending on what stage they reach. Out in prelim round €240k, out at play off stage €300k.

Then, if you get to the group stages there's a guaranteed minimum of €2.9m + prize money for winning/drawing group matches.

Its cumulative!

Billy Whizz
24-06-2018, 03:25 PM
Nah.

The prize money is based on what stage a team reaches, which is not the same as getting the published prize money each time a team played in a particular round.

Up to the league stages each team is paid an amount depending on what stage they reach. Out in prelim round €240k, out at play off stage €300k.

Then, if you get to the group stages there's a guaranteed minimum of €2.9m + prize money for winning/drawing group matches.

Its cumulative!

That’s not how I read it, but if you say so😄
If that’s the case, not so lucrative winning round 1, if you were to go out in round 2

Hibeewilly
24-06-2018, 03:33 PM
You get the payment for each round. As Crops said

1st round we get €220,000 Euros and if we beat the Faroes team we get another €240,000, and so on
That's huge money....I didn't appreciate there was so much involved...….then you've got the gate money as well. If we were fortunate enough to progress to the group stages our transfer budget would be huge and take us to another level

Tynie01011973
24-06-2018, 03:37 PM
That’s not how I read it, but if you say so😄
If that’s the case, not so lucrative winning round 1, if you were to go out in round 2

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/news/newsid=2493323.html

What is more, clubs participating in the qualifying rounds will be entitled to a respective payment of €215,000 for the first qualifying round), €225,000 (second), €235,000 (third) and €245,000 (play-off). Note, however, that the play-off winners will not receive the solidarity payment from that specific round.

The amount you get depends on what round of qualifying team gets to not payable each round

Billy Whizz
24-06-2018, 03:42 PM
That's huge money....I didn't appreciate there was so much involved...….then you've got the gate money as well. If we were fortunate enough to progress to the group stages our transfer budget would be huge and take us to another level

Sioux saying it’s not, but UEFA have put aside €107.5 million for the Qualifying stage, so something doesn’t add up if we only get €260,000 in total, if we go out in round 2

Hibeewilly
24-06-2018, 03:46 PM
Sioux saying it’s not, but UEFA have put aside €107.5 million for the Qualifying stage, so something doesn’t add up if we only get €260,000 in total, if we go out in round 2

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/news/newsid=2493323.html

That pretty much confirms it

Ozyhibby
24-06-2018, 04:01 PM
It’s game changing money for us if we can get to the group stages. It’s clear that the ambition of the club is to achieve this regularly. Let’s hope it’s starting this season.
Could do with a couple of signings this week though.


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Juniper Greens
24-06-2018, 04:22 PM
https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/news/newsid=2493323.html

That pretty much confirms it

So I read that as it's a "solidarity payment"

So we only get one payment and it's dependent on when we go out

Northernhibee
24-06-2018, 04:23 PM
Let’s use it to buy ice cream machines for the foyers :hyper

Pagan Hibernia
24-06-2018, 04:39 PM
S then doesn’t make a massive difference whether we go out in the first qualifying round or the third.... but the difference between 3rd qualifying round and group stage is huge!

Ozyhibby
24-06-2018, 04:41 PM
S then doesn’t make a massive difference whether we go out in the first qualifying round or the third.... but the difference between 3rd qualifying round and group stage is huge!

Every round is worth about £220,000 to us. It makes a massive difference.


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ancient hibee
24-06-2018, 05:17 PM
It’s a confusing read.It seems ridiculous that a club will make more money entering at round one than round two.That surely cannot be right.

eastcoasthibby
24-06-2018, 05:19 PM
Makes getting players in as early as possible now evenmore important ....and the first round game is not a foregone conclusion evry team will burst a gut to progress as far as possible part timers or not ..we need to be ready to go ...in that the squad needs strengthened !!

greenlex
24-06-2018, 05:31 PM
The travel and accommodation costs will take a huge chunk out of any money received.

CropleyWasGod
24-06-2018, 05:35 PM
So I read that as it's a "solidarity payment"

So we only get one payment and it's dependent on when we go outRead it again :)

It's a payment for each round.

Yes, it's unfair on the likes of Aberdeen. We might get more than them. But when it's going to cost us upwards of 50k for the Faroes games, and considerably more if we have to go to Greece, it does make sense.

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Juniper Greens
24-06-2018, 05:44 PM
Read it again :)

It's a payment for each round.

Yes, it's unfair on the likes of Aberdeen. We might get more than them. But when it's going to cost us upwards of 50k for the Faroes games, and considerably more if we have to go to Greece, it does make sense.

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I have read it again, and added up the amounts to try and reconcile the numbers quoted in the article, and it's an extra 20k per round, not an extra c250k per round

CapitalGreen
24-06-2018, 06:04 PM
I have read it again, and added up the amounts to try and reconcile the numbers quoted in the article, and it's an extra 20k per round, not an extra c250k per round

You maybe need to read it for a third time then. Aberdeen competed in 2 rounds last year and earned €460k

“Newly released figures show the duo [Sevco and St J’s] made €215,000 - that's £195,789 - from their disappointing campaigns on the Continent.

Aberdeen fared only slightly better by reaching the third qualifying round before crashing to Apollon Limassol. That came after the Dons defeated Siroki Brijeg of Bosnia and earned them €460,000 - or £418,899.”

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-st-johnstone-aberdeen-europa-11005419

CropleyWasGod
24-06-2018, 06:07 PM
I have read it again, and added up the amounts to try and reconcile the numbers quoted in the article, and it's an extra 20k per round, not an extra c250k per roundSo teams would lose money by advancing? What incentive is 20k, when they could spend 3 times that in travel?

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Juniper Greens
24-06-2018, 06:17 PM
https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/news/newsid=2562034.html

This article is much better. Actually says "per round played"

Potentially quite lucrative then!

CapitalGreen
24-06-2018, 06:20 PM
I’d be interested to see those sums you did earlier 👀

Juniper Greens
24-06-2018, 06:24 PM
I've done them on this years amounts per round vs last years total prize money. Hadn't appreciated that the article someone posted earlier was a year out of date

Sir David Gray
24-06-2018, 06:33 PM
https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/news/newsid=2562034.html

This article is much better. Actually says "per round played"

Potentially quite lucrative then!

And to think there were actually people on here wanting a Motherwell win in the cup final a few weeks ago!

Hibs Class
24-06-2018, 07:45 PM
I think you just get the extra 20k or so. Wouldn't be fair if you come in at round 2 if it was cumulative, but I don't know for sure.

Fairness seldom comes into uefa thinking, just look at their approach to seedings, the stages at which scottish teams enter europe and how they treat scottish champions in comparison to the teams finishing third and fourth in England, Spain, Italy etc.

Ozyhibby
24-06-2018, 07:47 PM
Barring a disaster in the Faroes we are looking at €500k minimum.


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Beefster
25-06-2018, 11:22 AM
It’s a confusing read.It seems ridiculous that a club will make more money entering at round one than round two.That surely cannot be right.

Clubs playing in a round have expenses (travel, hotels, appearance fees, win bonuses etc). It's not so ridiculous when you look at it like that.

hibbycraig
25-06-2018, 01:06 PM
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Ozyhibby
25-06-2018, 01:12 PM
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https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=107926751

That thread is comedy gold.


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CapitalGreen
25-06-2018, 01:37 PM
Clubs playing in a round have expenses (travel, hotels, appearance fees, win bonuses etc). It's not so ridiculous when you look at it like that.

Yup and UEFA defines theses payments for the qualifying rounds as Solidarity Payments as opposed to prize money for this reason.