Aston Villa woes

[Billy Whizz]

Didn’t realise they were in such a mess
I remember Wyness, used to be at Aberdeen
Looks like that’s one place McGinn won’t be going

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-breaking-news-wyness-14747893

[Since90+2]

Didn’t realise they were in such a mess
I remember Wyness, used to be at Aberdeen
Looks like that’s one place McGinn won’t be going

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-breaking-news-wyness-14747893

Absolutely massive club as well. Biggest supported team in a huge city with a decent history. Their fall from grace does show how difficult the English leagues are.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

It’s just as well the football authorities are there to ensure that the clubs are protected against charlatans and chasing the big leagues - to help ensure the sustainability of the game.

[Thecat23]

Saying it’ll be paid in 48 hours and they aren’t in any danger. But then again where have we all heard that before.

As others have said massive club with a huge fan base, crazy to think they are even close to shutting down.

[Billy Whizz]

Sky news saying it’s a multi million £ tax bill, wonder what it’s for

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Where does the money go?

[Ozyhibby]

No sympathy. Gambling to try get promotion.


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[Billy Whizz]

Where does the money go?

Seemingly gambled on promotion

[Since90+2]

No sympathy. Gambling to try get promotion.


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Dont think that's necessarily a bad thing to be honest. Think the damage may have been done prior to last season.

[CropleyWasGod]

Sky news saying it’s a multi million £ tax bill, wonder what it’s for

Sky are also saying that it was for a "missed payment" "last Friday".

HMRC don't normally move that fast if companies miss PAYE payment dates. My guess is that they and Villa had a payment plan agreed for past debts, and Villa agreed.

It won't be for Corporation Tax, as Villa don't make money. More likely to be for historic VAT & PAYE.

Sell Grealish, though, and they'll be fine.

[Michael]

Hope they survive, but only just.

[Billy Whizz]

Dont think that's necessarily a bad thing to be honest. Think the damage may have been done prior to last season.
How much were they paying Terry in the championship?
They think are also in danger of breaking FFP rules as well

[Billy Whizz]

Sky are also saying that it was for a "missed payment" "last Friday".

HMRC don't normally move that fast if companies miss PAYE payment dates. My guess is that they and Villa had a payment plan agreed for past debts, and Villa agreed.

It won't be for Corporation Tax, as Villa don't make money. More likely to be for historic VAT & PAYE.

Sell Grealish, though, and they'll be fine.

Cheers, will have to move quick though to sell him?

[The Modfather]

No sympathy. Gambling to try get promotion.


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Is it much different to what we did to get out of the championship?

[CropleyWasGod]

Dont think that's necessarily a bad thing to be honest. Think the damage may have been done prior to last season.

Indeed. They made a loss of £29m the year they went down.

"Only" £7m last season (16/17), which would have had a parachute payment included.

[Michael]

Is it much different to what we did to get out of the championship?

We didn't miss a tax bill after 1 year in the Championship.

[Ozyhibby]

Is it much different to what we did to get out of the championship?

It is very different. We haven’t missed any tax bills or had to enter into any payment plans with HMRC.
Our losses over the three years we were down were probably less than £1m. There was no gambling there at all.


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[The Modfather]

It is very different. We haven’t missed any tax bills or had to enter into any payment plans with HMRC.
Our losses over the three years we were down were probably less than £1m. There was no gambling there at all.


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Not sure I agree that we didn’t make a calculated gamble to get back up, ours worked, Villa’s appears not to have. Not looking to argue for the sake of it though as we’re just arguing the semantics.

Wonder if Villa will end up the new Leeds.

[tamig]

It is very different. We haven’t missed any tax bills or had to enter into any payment plans with HMRC.
Our losses over the three years we were down were probably less than £1m. There was no gambling there at all.


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Its all to do with scale and the environment you’re operating in. We maintained more or less a Premier budget when we were there and the crowds pre cup win were poor.

[Iain G]

Its all to do with scale and the environment you’re operating in. We maintained more or less a Premier budget when we were there and the crowds pre cup win were poor.

And we weren't paying John Terry's huge wages!

Kinda feel like many years of mismanagement and desperation are catching up with them.

[nellio]

Amazed they aren't getting done for financial fair play. Apparently Terry was on 60k a week! Snodgrass on decent wedge as well as a few others.

[erin go bragh]

How much were they paying Terry in the championship?
They think are also in danger of breaking FFP rules as well
Was reported in the papers saying 80k a week .

[660]

Anything associated with John Terry deserves nothing but the worst of luck.

[WoreTheGreen]

Anything associated with John Terry deserves nothing but the worst of luck.

Correct total fk wit

[Ozyhibby]

They will likely go into admin next week. Shame. Cheating ********.


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[Billy Whizz]

They will likely go into admin next week. Shame. Cheating ********.


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Are you sure admin is on the cards, but a £4.2m tax bill is not to be scoffed at that. Seemingly the owner is wealthy, but can’t get his money out of China

What’s the penalty in England for admin

[Ozyhibby]

Are you sure admin is on the cards, but a £4.2m tax bill is not to be scoffed at that. Seemingly the owner is wealthy, but can’t get his money out of China

What’s the penalty in England for admin

The £4.2m is likely the tip of the iceberg. I’m not sure how they deal with admin in England.


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[weecounty hibby]

Hope they get through this. Fond memories of watching them win the European Cup. Also had that EC winning strip - total glory hunter! Yes they had John Terry, but they also had Des Bremner!!

[HoboHarry]

The £4.2m is likely the tip of the iceberg. I’m not sure how they deal with admin in England.


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Won't matter here - our authorities will be, ahem, looking the other way.......

[Is It On....]

Sky are also saying that it was for a "missed payment" "last Friday".

HMRC don't normally move that fast if companies miss PAYE payment dates. My guess is that they and Villa had a payment plan agreed for past debts, and Villa agreed.

It won't be for Corporation Tax, as Villa don't make money. More likely to be for historic VAT & PAYE.

Sell Grealish, though, and they'll be fine.

And get rid of Bruce and Terry...

[Geo_1875]

The £4.2m is likely the tip of the iceberg. I’m not sure how they deal with admin in England.


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I don't think they do deal with it in England. Didn't Portsmouth go bust a few times around their FA Cup win?

[Billy Whizz]

Got quite a few other issues over the next few weeks as well
12 point penalty deduction if they were to go into admin.
Seems a real mess

http://www.skysports.com/share/11396171

[Iggy Pope]

Surely the Villa-mad Duke of Cambridge will step in? Arf!

[Smartie]

When you scratch the surface of teams like this in trouble, you normally find some absolutely eye-watering wastes of money in there.

I wonder how much they have paid agents over the past few years?

I wonder how much they paid in total for Charles N'Zogbia, and how much football they got out of him?


Sunderland have a few - £10m for a player whose transfer didn't go through and became a free agent, £70k per week for Jack Rodwell to make 2 league appearances in the Championship last season.

Badly-run clubs who are run by idiots are sitting ducks for shysters, and there are a lot in England.

[Billy Whizz]

When you scratch the surface of teams like this in trouble, you normally find some absolutely eye-watering wastes of money in there.

I wonder how much they have paid agents over the past few years?

I wonder how much they paid in total for Charles N'Zogbia, and how much football they got out of him?


Sunderland have a few - £10m for a player whose transfer didn't go through and became a free agent, £70k per week for Jack Rodwell to make 2 league appearances in the Championship last season.

Badly-run clubs who are run by idiots are sitting ducks for shysters, and there are a lot in England.

And all propped up by Sky/BT tv money

[WoreTheGreen]

Surely the Villa-mad Duke of Cambridge will step in? Arf!

And pig s...... dave

[Ozyhibby]

Aston Villa are losing £6m per month. The have less than a week to find £4.7m for the tax man and then two weeks to find another £8m.
Anyone taking over will need to find £70m just to keep the lights on for another year.
They will be lucky to start next season.


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[RoslinInstHibby]

Aston Villa are losing £6m per month. The have less than a week to find £4.7m for the tax man and then two weeks to find another £8m.
Anyone taking over will need to find £70m just to keep the lights on for another year.
They will be lucky to start next season.


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:agree:badly needed to go up this season, they will sell Grealish which will keep them going for a bit

[nonshinyfinish]

Saw an article pointing out their club motto is 'Prepared'.

As with Rangers 2012 and the motto 'Aye Ready', you'd think these clubs would see the admin-inducing tax hits coming.

[brianmc]

Saw an article pointing out their club motto is 'Prepared'.

As with Rangers 2012 and the motto 'Aye Ready', you'd think these clubs would see the admin-inducing tax hits coming.

Strangely enough I only know one Villa fan, born and raised in the Midlands - yet his second team are rangers and his posting of horrible, sectarian guff on social media would make you think he came from Larkhall!
Hope they go bust.

[jacomo]

Surely the Villa-mad Duke of Cambridge will step in? Arf!


He could have gone to Russia this summer and sold a knighthood and passport to some oligarch in return for investment, but that particular wheeze is off the table at the moment.

[Souter96Mac]

Seen they are accepting any bid for any players.. Anyone we could go for?

[tamig]

Strangely enough I only know one Villa fan, born and raised in the Midlands - yet his second team are rangers and his posting of horrible, sectarian guff on social media would make you think he came from Larkhall!
Hope they go bust.

You hope they go bust because one of their fans is an erse?

[jacomo]

You hope they go bust because one of their fans is an erse?


Football will do that to you.

Conversely, I’ve always disliked West Ham, but know a few fans who are good people, so I will feign some concern when they have a **** season.