Tommy Robinson

[Stranraer]

Does he belong in jail or are his civil liberties being breached?

[lord bunberry]

Does he belong in jail or are his civil liberties being breached?
I absolutely detest him, but on this occasion I don’t see what he’s done wrong. I’ve not seen any of the flim he was doing, but I heard he was filming on his phone and doing a Facebook live film. Maybe it was for something he said on that.

[Pete]

Reporting on a case where there are restrictions until after the verdicts. I think. Another Asian grooming gang.

I wonder why there are restrictions.

[stoneyburn hibs]

Tommy Robinson "fans" march to Whitehall in protest at his arrest . I despair.
Odious little creep.

[EH6 Hibby]

Reporting on a case where there are restrictions until after the verdicts. I think. Another Asian grooming gang.

I wonder why there are restrictions.

There are always restrictions on what the public can know about a case until after the verdict. It’s to allow a person to have a fair trial. It’s one of the things I think we get right in this country.

[IGRIGI]

Have people actually watched his videos or just jumping onto the "racist/fascist" bandwagon?

[andrew70]

The man is an absolute *****

[Hibrandenburg]

Why isn't he chasing around kicking up **** about white paedophilia which is much more prevalent than the few high profile cases involving Muslims? Answer is because it's not the paedophilia that disgusts him. The man is a racist cock.

[Northernhibee]

The "reporting" of the case may give the defendants a lifeline in claiming a mistrial.

Well done Stephen you fascist welt.

[steakbake]

He had a suspended sentence for filming at a court. Then he does it again. It’s a fair cop.

Reporting restrictions: young women have been raped. They are vulnerable as victims of crime.... right to a fair trial, a second reason. There’s probably more.

Robinson isn’t a victim and the trial isn’t a conspiracy.

[Allant1981]

Have people actually watched his videos or just jumping onto the "racist/fascist" bandwagon?

yip watched loads of his videos on his twitter page and the guy is a bell end, he cant even hide the fact he is a racist

[speedy_gonzales]

Roseanne Barr is getting involved on Twitter, #tagging Robinson & pedogate, she also tagged @POTUS & @nigel_farage.
Dunno why she's being so vocal on a guy and a story so far from her home but she has 1000's of followers so her brain fart posts will reach a healthy audience,,,,

[wpj]

Have people actually watched his videos or just jumping onto the "racist/fascist" bandwagon?

Aye, he's a complete c*** and I will constantly commit my life to exposing him and his ilk. Turd of a man!

[EH54]

Have people actually watched his videos or just jumping onto the "racist/fascist" bandwagon?

Yes guys a tool and a racist have you watched them and disagree? 🤔

[Alex Trager]

Why isn't he chasing around kicking up **** about white paedophilia which is much more prevalent than the few high profile cases involving Muslims? Answer is because it's not the paedophilia that disgusts him. The man is a racist cock.

Any reporting of rape and pedophilla is positive in my opinion. Regardless of the reasoning behind it.

If it brings it to light then good.

[Hibrandenburg]

Any reporting of rape and pedophilla is positive in my opinion. Regardless of the reasoning behind it.

If it brings it to light then good.

Then you're naive.

[steakbake]

Any reporting of rape and pedophilla is positive in my opinion. Regardless of the reasoning behind it.

If it brings it to light then good.

Maybe after the trial but before is not a good idea: it can compromise a fair trial by influencing a jury or undermining the prosecution or defence’s case, release details about often vulnerable victims and suspects (who’ve yet to be proven guilty) etc.

It’s not in the public interest until it’s done.

[Future17]

Any reporting of rape and pedophilla is positive in my opinion. Regardless of the reasoning behind it.

If it brings it to light then good.

Even if it prevents the guilty from being convicted or the innocent from getting a fair trial?

[Alex Trager]

Maybe after the trial but before is not a good idea: it can compromise a fair trial by influencing a jury or undermining the prosecution or defence’s case, release details about often vulnerable victims and suspects (who’ve yet to be proven guilty) etc.

It’s not in the public interest until it’s done.


Even if it prevents the guilty from being convicted or the innocent from getting a fair trial?

I’m talking about the exposing of rape gangs in a general sense.

The post i quotes said he should be chasing higher profile cases that aren’t muslim.

I said it doesn’t matter what paedophile ring is exposed to me.

I do appreciate what you are saying however

[Ryan69]

Yes guys a tool and a racist have you watched them and disagree? 🤔

Tell me ONE racist thing he has ever said???

He never has!
Many of his supporters are black.

[Hibrandenburg]

I’m talking about the exposing of rape gangs in a general sense.

The post i quotes said he should be chasing higher profile cases that aren’t muslim.

I said it doesn’t matter what paedophile ring is exposed to me.

I do appreciate what you are saying however

The post you quoted says nothing of the kind. He was out on license (suspended sentence) and shouldn't have been anywhere near the court and he knows it. The judge was absolutely correct to send him down.

As for the mainstream media 'not covering the case', it's one more day in a lengthy trial and nothing to report. He describes himself as a reporter but that's nonsense. He's just a self serving racist trying to get himself and his warped views more air time.

Why doesn't he report about the parliamentary paedophile gangs? The football paedophile gangs? The celebrity paedophile gangs? The North Wales paedophile network? Plymouth paedophile gang? Nottingham care home gangs? Manchester and Islington children's homes paedophile scandals and hundreds of other organised paedophile groups?

I'll tell you Why, it's because it's not the paedophilia that disgusts him, it's the race of this particular group of paedophiles that irks him and he's trying to associate Islam with paedophilia to further his own seedy agenda. He's a racist **** who has now put the trial of these ****ing rats in danger because he's now possibly influenced the fairness of the trial process. He should go to jail if he can't abide by the laws of our legal system.

[Alex Trager]

The post you quoted says nothing of the kind. He was out on license (suspended sentence) and shouldn't have been anywhere near the court and he knows it. The judge was absolutely correct to send him down.

As for the mainstream media 'not covering the case', it's one more day in a lengthy trial and nothing to report. He describes himself as a reporter but that's nonsense. He's just a self serving racist trying to get himself and his warped views more air time.

Why doesn't he report about the parliamentary paedophile gangs? The football paedophile gangs? The celebrity paedophile gangs? The North Wales paedophile network? Plymouth paedophile gang? Nottingham care home gangs? Manchester and Islington children's homes paedophile scandals and hundreds of other organised paedophile groups?

I'll tell you Why, it's because it's not the paedophilia that disgusts him, it's the race of this particular group of paedophiles that irks him and he's trying to associate Islam with paedophilia to further his own seedy agenda. He's a racist **** who has now put the trial of these ****ing rats in danger because he's now possibly influenced the fairness of the trial process. He should go to jail if he can't abide by the laws of our legal system.

And as i said any exposure of ANY rapist gang is a good thing.

I’m not overly bothered what the reasoning behind a rape gang being exposed if they are being exposed.

I’m not defending his actions surrounding this case.

“Why isn't he chasing around kicking up **** about white paedophilia which is much more prevalent than the few high profile cases involving Muslims? Answer is because it's not the paedophilia that disgusts him. The man is a racist cock.” Is the post I quoted. And I stand by my point. Any rape gang exposure is a good thing.

[Ryan69]

And as i said any exposure of ANY rapist gang is a good thing.

I’m not overly bothered what the reasoning behind a rape gang being exposed if they are being exposed.

I’m not defending his actions surrounding this case.

“Why isn't he chasing around kicking up **** about white paedophilia which is much more prevalent than the few high profile cases involving Muslims? Answer is because it's not the paedophilia that disgusts him. The man is a racist cock.” Is the post I quoted. And I stand by my point. Any rape gang exposure is a good thing.

Would it have anything todo with the white paedophilles get exposed by the media...and the Muslim grooming gangs the state try to hide it as not to create racial tension?

There are thousands of cases....That the police kept secret,if you didnt know!

[CropleyWasGod]

Would it have anything todo with the white paedophilles get exposed by the media...and the Muslim grooming gangs the state try to hide it as not to create racial tension?

There are thousands of cases....That the police kept secret,if you didnt know!

If they are secret......how do you know about them?

[Ryan69]

If they are secret......how do you know about them?

The Government tried to cover it up for years...But it was exposed.

Now you read about more of them everyday stretching the length and breadth of the UK.

[Alex Trager]

Would it have anything todo with the white paedophilles get exposed by the media...and the Muslim grooming gangs the state try to hide it as not to create racial tension?

There are thousands of cases....That the police kept secret,if you didnt know!

As I keep saying I am not bothered which paedo ring is being exposed. White, Black, BBC, the Catholic Church, Muslim gangs.

All exposure of rape gangs is a good thing.

[Ryan69]

As I keep saying I am not bothered which paedo ring is being exposed. White, Black, BBC, the Catholic Church, Muslim gangs.

All exposure of rape gangs is a good thing.

Agree 100%

The fact is they tried to cover all this grooming by mainly Pakistani origin,as not to create racial tension.
So in a sense...allowed it to happen within communities!

Tommy Robinson was one of the first to expose this.

[bigwheel]

Agree 100%

The fact is they tried to cover all this grooming by mainly Pakistani origin,as not to create racial tension.
So in a sense...allowed it to happen within communities!

Tommy Robinson was one of the first to expose this.

Daily Mail reader alert .....

[Slavers]

Daily Mail reader alert .....

And the smears start. Is he saying anything that's untrue? Stick to the topic and leave smears and insults out of it.

[bigwheel]

And the smears start. Is he saying anything that's untrue? Stick to the topic and leave smears and insults out of it.

It is a complete Myth that Robinson uncovered grooming gangs when others were supposedly covering it up - the Issues had been covered by the Times as far back as 2009 and in later articles 2011 onwards.

[JimBHibees]

Why isn't he chasing around kicking up **** about white paedophilia which is much more prevalent than the few high profile cases involving Muslims? Answer is because it's not the paedophilia that disgusts him. The man is a racist cock.

Nail on head.

[bigwheel]

Why isn't he chasing around kicking up **** about white paedophilia which is much more prevalent than the few high profile cases involving Muslims? Answer is because it's not the paedophilia that disgusts him. The man is a racist cock.

100%. His agenda here is not protecting the vulnerable- it is driven by hate ..

[Ryan69]

Think you will find he pretty much exposes how its one law for us...and a completely different rule if you follow the religion of peace!

Ever heard the story of the Muslim guy that hit a policeman over the head with a brick?
Was taken into police custody. His Imam turned up and told the police,release him now....or I will have 1000 people here in minutes.
Guy was released without charge!

How people cannot see there is a rule for the people of this country,and a rule for Muslims...has their head firmly buried in the sand.

Try having 2 wifes...Youll be in jail.
Some people are allowed by the law of this country however.

[JimBHibees]

Think you will find he pretty much exposes how its one law for us...and a completely different rule if you follow the religion of peace!

Ever heard the story of the Muslim guy that hit a policeman over the head with a brick?
Was taken into police custody. His Imam turned up and told the police,release him now....or I will have 1000 people here in minutes.
Guy was released without charge!

How people cannot see there is a rule for the people of this country,and a rule for Muslims...has their head firmly buried in the sand.

Try having 2 wifes...Youll be in jail.
Some people are allowed by the law of this country however.

I would suggest you read a more balanced cross section of outlets for your news.

[Allant1981]

Think you will find he pretty much exposes how its one law for us...and a completely different rule if you follow the religion of peace!

Ever heard the story of the Muslim guy that hit a policeman over the head with a brick?
Was taken into police custody. His Imam turned up and told the police,release him now....or I will have 1000 people here in minutes.
Guy was released without charge!

How people cannot see there is a rule for the people of this country,and a rule for Muslims...has their head firmly buried in the sand.

Try having 2 wifes...Youll be in jail.
Some people are allowed by the law of this country however.

would be interested to read that, where will i find the report as i had a quick search and couldnt find anything

[CropleyWasGod]

Think you will find he pretty much exposes how its one law for us...and a completely different rule if you follow the religion of peace!

Ever heard the story of the Muslim guy that hit a policeman over the head with a brick?
Was taken into police custody. His Imam turned up and told the police,release him now....or I will have 1000 people here in minutes.
Guy was released without charge!

How people cannot see there is a rule for the people of this country,and a rule for Muslims...has their head firmly buried in the sand.

Some people are allowed by the law of this country however.

Simply not true. It's illegal to have more than one spouse.

One can live in union with more than one, though. As evidenced by the Muslim faith, and by those who practice polyamory (most of whom are white, by the way....)

[Alex Trager]

100%. His agenda here is not protecting the vulnerable- it is driven by hate ..

As I have previously said does it matter what his agenda is?

If he reveals a rape gang then that is a good thing.

People have this thing were they look at either a person or their agenda and then decide whether they will listen to what they are saying or not.

If Trump states a fact, folk will disregard it cause it is trump.

Take the action/words for what they are and forget who is doing them/ saying them or why they are saying them.

TR may well be a racist but if he is exposing a rape gang then he has done well.

How anyone can argue that is beyond me.

[Hibee87]

Think you will find he pretty much exposes how its one law for us...and a completely different rule if you follow the religion of peace!

Ever heard the story of the Muslim guy that hit a policeman over the head with a brick?
Was taken into police custody. His Imam turned up and told the police,release him now....or I will have 1000 people here in minutes.
Guy was released without charge!

How people cannot see there is a rule for the people of this country,and a rule for Muslims...has their head firmly buried in the sand.

Try having 2 wifes...Youll be in jail.
Some people are allowed by the law of this country however.

I have never heard of that story, but would love to read more. Where can I find the details on it?

[Hibrandenburg]

As I have previously said does it matter what his agenda is?

If he reveals a rape gang then that is a good thing.

People have this thing were they look at either a person or their agenda and then decide whether they will listen to what they are saying or not.

If Trump states a fact, folk will disregard it cause it is trump.

Take the action/words for what they are and forget who is doing them/ saying them or why they are saying them.

TR may well be a racist but if he is exposing a rape gang then he has done well.

How anyone can argue that is beyond me.

He's not exposing anything other than his bum in prison in anticipation of being beechered. All he's doing is trying to draw attention to one particular group of paedophiles with the intention of getting the hard of thinking to associate paedophilia with Islam. As previously mentioned by others the fact that these rats are already in court facing justice means that they've already been exposed. Tommy Robinson didn't expose them, he's simply trying to use THIS PARTICULAR case to further his own racist agenda and you've taken the bait hook, line and sinker.

[Alex Trager]

He's not exposing anything other than his bum in prison in anticipation of being beechered. All he's doing is trying to draw attention to one particular group of paedophiles with the intention of getting the hard of thinking to associate paedophilia with Islam. As previously mentioned by others the fact that these rats are already in court facing justice means that they've already been exposed. Tommy Robinson didn't expose them, he's simply trying to use THIS PARTICULAR case to further his own racist agenda and you've taken the bait hook, line and sinker.

I am talking in general terms and have made that clear above, explicitly mentioning that i am not talking about this specific case.

[bigwheel]

I am talking in general terms and have made that clear above, explicitly mentioning that i am not talking about this specific case.


No one would have a problem with people seeking to out criminals , particularly of this type - that is not what Robinson has done this week ..he was risking justice for those affected

the team supporting the victims have explained this clearly ...yet it is being portrayed as unfair by those in defence of Robinson - and people are falling for this narrative

[Alex Trager]

No one would have a problem with people seeking to out criminals , particularly of this type - that is not what Robinson has done this week ..he was risking justice for those affected

the team supporting the victims have explained this clearly ...yet it is being portrayed as unfair by those in defence of Robinson - and people are falling for this narrative

We have our wires crossed.

I originally pointed out it doesn’t matter why he exposes gangs etc.

I am not defending him on this case.

[Hibrandenburg]

We have our wires crossed.

I originally pointed out it doesn’t matter why he exposes gangs etc.

I am not defending him on this case.

He hasn't exposed anyone. All he's done is highlight some cases to further his own agenda.

[Alex Trager]

He hasn't exposed anyone. All he's done is highlight some cases to further his own agenda.

Ever?

[Ryan69]

I would suggest you read a more balanced cross section of outlets for your news.

Like the BBC,Sky News...or maybe even CNN? :)

[Hibrandenburg]

Ever?

You tell me, you seem to be the Tommy Robinson expert.

[Alex Trager]

You tell me, you seem to be the Tommy Robinson expert.

On the contrary. You’re busy telling everyone he is a racist and only focusses on X because he has racist agendas.

If anyone is proclaiming to be an expert on him it’s you.

[Hibrandenburg]

On the contrary. You’re busy telling everyone he is a racist and only focusses on X because he has racist agendas.

If anyone is proclaiming to be an expert on him it’s you.

:faf: You claim TR is exposing paedophile gangs, can't provide any evidence to support that claim then expect me to find evidence of something that doesn't exist to back up your claim. :faf:

[Alex Trager]

:faf: You claim TR is exposing paedophile gangs, can't provide any evidence to support that claim then expect me to find evidence of something that doesn't exist to back up your claim. :faf:

I said exposure of rape gangs is good. It is

[Hibrandenburg]

I said exposure of rape gangs is good. It is

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10157466949093858&id=599498857

[Smartie]

Exposure of rape gangs is good, but potentially compromising rapists facing justice - which is what Robinson is doing with this pissing about to further his own agenda - really is not good at all.

[Hibrandenburg]

Exposure of rape gangs is good, but potentially compromising rapists facing justice - which is what Robinson is doing with this pissing about to further his own agenda - really is not good at all.

:agree:

[bigwheel]

Like the BBC,Sky News...or maybe even CNN? :)

How about balancing your media intake. Try also reading from New York Times , Guardian , Independent...read about the topics you are interested in ..

[EH6 Hibby]

would be interested to read that, where will i find the report as i had a quick search and couldnt find anything


I have never heard of that story, but would love to read more. Where can I find the details on it?

I'm guessing Britain First's facebook page. :rolleyes:

[Hibee87]

I'm guessing Britain First's facebook page. :rolleyes:

Wouldn't suprise me. :rolleyes:

[Stranraer]

I really don't think Robinson is doing this recording out of the goodness of his heart, to try and expose pedophilia. It's far more likely that he's doing it to try and incite racial hatred and stir up crap against Muslims.

[Frazerbob]

Let’s not beat around the bush here, the guy is a complete c***. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either a c*** of similar proportions or a mug.

[McD]

Agree 100%

The fact is they tried to cover all this grooming by mainly Pakistani origin,as not to create racial tension.
So in a sense...allowed it to happen within communities!

Tommy Robinson was one of the first to expose this.



Even if this was true (another poster has disproved this), what good is served by him filming in a count where the accused are already standing trial? By definition, they’ve already been exposed, otherwise they wouldn’t be standing trial on these charges. He’s not exposing anyone for rape.

[SRHibs]

As I have previously said does it matter what his agenda is?

If he reveals a rape gang then that is a good thing.

People have this thing were they look at either a person or their agenda and then decide whether they will listen to what they are saying or not.

If Trump states a fact, folk will disregard it cause it is trump.

Take the action/words for what they are and forget who is doing them/ saying them or why they are saying them.

TR may well be a racist but if he is exposing a rape gang then he has done well.

How anyone can argue that is beyond me.

His agenda is extremely important. He’s creating a false narrative about Islam and people are lapping it up.

[Alex Trager]

Exposure of rape gangs is good, but potentially compromising rapists facing justice - which is what Robinson is doing with this pissing about to further his own agenda - really is not good at all.

... this is my point

[SRHibs]

... this is my point

Your point was that “the reasoning about it doesn’t matter”. Well, Tommy Robinson is using “Muslim rape gangs” to forward the idea that Islam is not compatible with western society, and people are falling for it. He’s doing more harm than good on a societal level.

[Pete]

I agree with this article and the way it describes the differences between paedophile rings and these Muslim grooming gangs. And before anyone starts, it’s penned by a rape survivor and in a newspaper with a neutral editorial stance.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/voices/rotherham-grooming-gang-sexual-abuse-muslim-islamist-racism-white-girls-religious-extremism-a8261831.html%3famp

One thing that jumps out is her opinion (which is shared by other victims) that people like Robinson, who want to tar all Muslims with the same brush, certainly aren’t helping.
I actually agree with a lot of what he says about grooming gangs and terrorism etc...more should be done to stop indoctrination and preachers of hate should be punished.
However, once you watch a few of his videos you can see through the veneer. He wants to propogate the idea that there is something fundamentally wrong with the faith and anyone who follows it, creating the narrative that there will never be social compatibility. One example is a video where there are a group of Asians fighting...”out of control” is the headline, as if it’s only Asians that fight.

However, if people continually dismiss obvious links that are staring everyone in the face, it will probably force others into believing people like Robinson and seeing him as some sort of visionary.

[blackpoolhibs]

Can anyone explain why people like Gary Glitter and his ilk, had no reporting restrictions when they are in court, but these muslim grooming gangs do?

Surely the law should be the same for every religion?

[Hibrandenburg]

Can anyone explain why people like Gary Glitter and his ilk, had no reporting restrictions when they are in court, but these muslim grooming gangs do?

Surely the law should be the same for every religion?

The law is the same for everyone. It's just nobody else was stupid enough to turn up at court during a trial and attempt to broadcast slanderous claims of guilt before the trial was concluded. He was on a yellow card already so he shouldn't be surprised he got red.

The judge sums it up quite nicely:

In short, Mr. Yaxley-Lennon, turn up at another court, refer to people as ‘Muslim paedophiles, Muslim rapists’ and so on and so forth while trials are ongoing and before there has been a finding by a jury that that is what they are, and you will find yourself inside. Do you understand? Thank you very much.

[blackpoolhibs]

The law is the same for everyone. It's just nobody else was stupid enough to turn up at court during a trial and attempt to broadcast slanderous claims of guilt before the trial was concluded. He was on a yellow card already so he shouldn't be surprised he got red.

The judge sums it up quite nicely:

In short, Mr. Yaxley-Lennon, turn up at another court, refer to people as ‘Muslim paedophiles, Muslim rapists’ and so on and so forth while trials are ongoing and before there has been a finding by a jury that that is what they are, and you will find yourself inside. Do you understand? Thank you very much.

I couldnt be arsed watching the video he did, is that what he was doing slandering folk?

I only read a few posts that said he was reporting live on what they were up on charge with, like i have seen many times on mainstream tv.

[CropleyWasGod]

Can anyone explain why people like Gary Glitter and his ilk, had no reporting restrictions when they are in court, but these muslim grooming gangs do?

Surely the law should be the same for every religion?You probably read the same Tweet as I did. [emoji16]

The point was well-made that reporting restrictions are put in place for a variety of reasons. It's unlikely that religion will be one of them.

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[blackpoolhibs]

You probably read the same Tweet as I did. [emoji16]

The point was well-made that reporting restrictions are put in place for a variety of reasons. It's unlikely that religion will be one of them.

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Yip it came up on my twitter page, :agree: i did also read on there that his arrest and appearance in court was quick, all done in a few hours and handed a jail sentence.

If he's guilty, he's only himself to blame.

From the outside looking in, it does seem he's being given special treatment. :greengrin

[jockodile]

Tommy Robinson as I understand was not actually on court property, just talking into his phone.

To me it smells of MI5. The growth of the internet has provided platforms like never before and it scares the establishment.

The old cries of racism are starting to become meaningless for some. This is a culture war waiting to happen.

[Pretty Boy]

I think it's perfectly possible that you can become so obsessed with an issue that confirmation bias overrules everything and you see only what you want to see. In this instance Robinson is utterly convinced that there is a conspiracy to protect and hide gangs of Muslim men committing deplorable acts and that's the only explanation for reporting restrictions that he can comprehend.

I'd suggest there are a few potential explanations for the restrictions. Firstly witness and victim protection. Minority groups often live in communities within communities and it stands to reasons if the faces of the men on trial were splashed all over the paper identification of witnesses and victims and potential for pressure or intimidation is heightened. Secondly it could be possible the Police have attempted to 'flip' one or more of the accused, if they have been sent back into a community to try and expose further organised paedophilia it probably doesn't do their cover any good if people they are known to have associated with are men who are publicly on trial. It's also not impossible that as part of the investigation the Police have passed information over to the SIS. Contrary to the James Bond image the current requirements in a British spy are far more likely to be fluency in Arabic and the ability to engage with the Muslim community as opposed to being a hard drinking, womanising, upper middle class muscleman in a tuxedo. If there are ongoing investigations in a particular area again having people from that community all over the papers is potentially compromising. I'm not suggesting I'm correct and Robinson is wrong, it's just worth considering there are a myriad number of reasons as to why restrictions have been put in place.

Finally the idea that Robinson has exposed this gang or any other is fanciful at best. The fact there is an ongoing trial suggests the authorities are well aware of these activities and are dealing with them. 'Successful' paedophile rings tend to be good at what they do and it can take years to untangle the networks; there are likely to be many investigations going on. Rather than exposing this group what Robinson has actually done is potentially jeopardise years of work and investigation to satisfy his own ego. If the trial collapses or an appeal is heard claiming mistrial it's possible a group of dangerous, predatory men could be released onto the streets. I think Robinson has been treated as a special case by being charged and sentenced so quickly but I'd argue it's for the protection of years of work to get these guys off the street rather than as part of an establishment ploy to turn a blind eye to paedophilia within the Muslim community.

[Lendo]

Think you will find he pretty much exposes how its one law for us...and a completely different rule if you follow the religion of peace!

Ever heard the story of the Muslim guy that hit a policeman over the head with a brick?
Was taken into police custody. His Imam turned up and told the police,release him now....or I will have 1000 people here in minutes.
Guy was released without charge!

How people cannot see there is a rule for the people of this country,and a rule for Muslims...has their head firmly buried in the sand.

Try having 2 wifes...Youll be in jail.
Some people are allowed by the law of this country however.

I don't see a link to this clearly made up Daily Mail wet dream fantasy story. Have I missed it?

[Slavers]

I don't see a link to this clearly made up Daily Mail wet dream fantasy story. Have I missed it?

I'm not sure if the post was a wind up or not? There are plenty genuine concerns about Islam and the Islamic migration into Europe without having to opt for the two scenarios he chose to highlight lol

[Future17]

Tommy Robinson as I understand was not actually on court property, just talking into his phone.

I'm not sure why this is relevant?

[Hibs Class]

Sentenced to 13 months.

[Colr]

Your point was that “the reasoning about it doesn’t matter”. Well, Tommy Robinson is using “Muslim rape gangs” to forward the idea that Islam is not compatible with western society, and people are falling for it. He’s doing more harm than good on a societal level.

Yes. I recall his campaign against paedophilia in the Catholic church.

[bigwheel]

He is a hate filled person....has no interest in protecting the vulnerable ...this tweet sums it up for me 20834


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[IGRIGI]

Irony is he's went down for longer than the grooming gang members will go down for.

At least we can all sit and have a chug about diversity and how racist Robinson is.

[Sylar]

Irony is he's went down for longer than the grooming gang members will go down for.

At least we can all sit and have a chug about diversity and how racist Robinson is.

What do you base your latest garbage on, when the last instance of a gang being prosecuted for this resulted in a minimum term of 4 years for one of those involved, going up to 12 years and citizenship removals?

The fact that he's a racist twonk doesn't factor into that he broke the law and has been punished.

Just a crying shame that he'll (probably) get out to spew his bile in the not-too-distant future.

[Pretty Boy]

Irony is he's went down for longer than the grooming gang members will go down for.

At least we can all sit and have a chug about diversity and how racist Robinson is.

That's just nonsense though isn't it?

A 2 second search on Google shows that in 2017 a Muslim man convicted of grooming in Ashton under Lyme got 4 years and 6 months, 2 Asian men convicted of a rape in Accrington in 2012 got indefinite sentences, The Aylesbury ring that was tried in 2015 saw sentences of 3 to 19 years, The Banbury ring got sentences ranging from 3 to 9 years, a case in Birkenhead in 2017 saw a sentence of 4 years, 2 guys in Birmingham in 2017 got 10 and 5 years respectively, another case in the same city in 2017 saw a sentence of 7 years.

I'm not sure if Robinson has been harshly treated for a contempt of court sentence but the claims he 'got longer than the paedos will' doesn't add up no matter how loud and how often people shout it.

[bigwheel]

Irony is he's went down for longer than the grooming gang members will go down for.

At least we can all sit and have a chug about diversity and how racist Robinson is.

Do you actually believe this stuff ??


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[easty]

Irony is he's went down for longer than the grooming gang members will go down for.

At least we can all sit and have a chug about diversity and how racist Robinson is.

Is this an extract from some kind of Tommy Robinson fan club statement?

[stoneyburn hibs]

Irony is he's went down for longer than the grooming gang members will go down for.

At least we can all sit and have a chug about diversity and how racist Robinson is.

Have a word.
Hopefully for him he doesn't bump into any Muslims in the pokey.

[Slavers]

Have a word.
Hopefully for him he doesn't bump into any Muslims in the pokey.

Like the man who was sent to jail for putting bacon on a mosque door handle and was then murdered in jail.

I can't help but think Tommy Robinson is an agent provocateur. His rise to fame and the publicity he receives reeks of being a plant.

[Hibbyradge]

Have a word.
Hopefully for him he doesn't bump into any Muslims in the pokey.

Too late!

http://newsthump.com/2018/05/29/former-edl-leader-tommy-robinson-spends-first-night-in-prison-converts-to-islam/

[CropleyWasGod]

Like the man who was sent to jail for putting bacon on a mosque door handle and was then murdered in jail.

I can't help but think Tommy Robinson is an agent provocateur. His rise to fame and the publicity he receives reeks of being a plant.You mean this guy?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2018/05/24/extremist-left-bacon-mosque-died-prison-drug-overdose-7573478/amp/

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[stoneyburn hibs]

Too late!

http://newsthump.com/2018/05/29/former-edl-leader-tommy-robinson-spends-first-night-in-prison-converts-to-islam/

😁😁

[Hibs Class]

http://newsthump.com/2018/05/27/if-you-dont-like-obeying-our-laws-then-you-should-get-out-of-our-country-tommy-robinson-told/

[Pretty Boy]

You mean this guy?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2018/05/24/extremist-left-bacon-mosque-died-prison-drug-overdose-7573478/amp/

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Cover story.

The Mecca chapter of the Luciferians got to him.

[Slavers]

You mean this guy?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2018/05/24/extremist-left-bacon-mosque-died-prison-drug-overdose-7573478/amp/

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Yes that is him. Ok I over stepped the mark by saying he was murdered I thought he had been.

[Slavers]

Cover story.

The Mecca chapter of the Luciferians got to him.

Your on the right track of thought but go a little deeper with it, think about what Salman Rushdie was saying!

[overdrive]

So does this mean there probably won’t be any reruns of Blackadder or Time Team for a while?

















:wink:

[Lendo]

Yes that is him. Ok I over stepped the mark by saying he was murdered I thought he had been.

It’s amazing what you can find out by doing 15 seconds of research instead of just believing what you read on Britain First’s Facebook page.

[Hibrandenburg]

It’s amazing what you can find out by doing 15 seconds of research instead of just believing what you read on Britain First’s Facebook page.

:tee hee:

[CropleyWasGod]

Your on the right track of thought but go a little deeper with it, think about what Salman Rushdie was saying!

"A book is a version of the world. If you do not like it, ignore it; or offer your own version in return."

[Slavers]

It’s amazing what you can find out by doing 15 seconds of research instead of just believing what you read on Britain First’s Facebook page.

You just matched my level of ignorance with that post LOL

[Hibbyradge]

You just matched my level of ignorance with that post LOL

No. He really hasn't.

[Slavers]

No. He really hasn't.

Oh but he really has!

[Hibrandenburg]

Oh but he really has!

Oh but he really hasn't.

[Alex Trager]

Your point was that “the reasoning about it doesn’t matter”. Well, Tommy Robinson is using “Muslim rape gangs” to forward the idea that Islam is not compatible with western society, and people are falling for it. He’s doing more harm than good on a societal level.

And as I have said time and time again, if a rape gang is exposed then that is a positive. People are smart enough to see through him. Or they ought to be.

[Slavers]

Oh but he really hasn't.

Ok I concede maybe not quite as ignorant but def in the same ball park of ignorance seeing as I don't read any Britain First material.

[Hibbyradge]

Ok I concede maybe not quite as ignorant but def in the same ball park of ignorance seeing as I don't read any Britain First material.

What he said was 100% accurate. Not ignorant in the slightest.

[Hibbyradge]

And as I have said time and time again, if a rape gang is exposed then that is a positive. People are smart enough to see through him. Or they ought to be.

He didn't expose anyone.

The gang had already been caught.

[Slavers]

What he said was 100% accurate. Not ignorant in the slightest.

Don't you have huff post links to share?

I said I don't read British First material so he cant 100% accurate.

Furthermore the cause of death has not been determined. I stand corrected on the part that he may not have been murdered.

[Hibbyradge]

Don't you have huff post links to share?

I said I don't read British First material so he cant 100% accurate.

Furthermore the cause of death has not been determined. I stand corrected on the part that he may not have been murdered.

When did I last post a Huffington Post link?

He didn't actually say you read anything, that's what you read into it, but if the cap fits ...

[Slavers]

When did I last post a Huffington Post link?

He didn't actually say you read anything, that's what you read into it, but if the cap fits ...

He did so, he said the British First stuff I read. Your just being silly now.

[Hibbyradge]

He did so, he said the British First stuff I read. Your just being silly now.

I'm being silly? You're all over this thread with nonsense. From the bacon guy getting murdered by a Muslim prisoner to Huff Post links. :hilarious

"It’s amazing what you can find out by doing 15 seconds of research instead of just believing what you read on Britain First’s Facebook page"

That's 100% correct.

Or do you prefer "one" as a pronoun?

[CropleyWasGod]

He did so, he said the British First stuff I read. Your just being silly now.

I read it as "one" rather than "you" personally.

[Hibbyradge]

I read it as "one" rather than "you" personally.

Zackly.

[Slavers]

I read it as "one" rather than "you" personally.

Well you could read it one way or another I suppose.

[JeMeSouviens]

Your point was that “the reasoning about it doesn’t matter”. Well, Tommy Robinson is using “Muslim rape gangs” to forward the idea that Islam is not compatible with western society, and people are falling for it. He’s doing more harm than good on a societal level.

Plus, by deliberately breaking reporting restrictions he knows that regular media organisations will respect, he gets to pretend there's a conspiracy of silence covering up behind anything bad Muslims do. "Look at me, the brave reporter uncovering the truth". :rolleyes:

[CropleyWasGod]

Well you could read it one way or another I suppose.

"one" could. :greengrin

[Lendo]

Ok I concede maybe not quite as ignorant but def in the same ball park of ignorance seeing as I don't read any Britain First material.

I apologise. I honestly wasn't meaning to insinuate you read Britain First nonsense.

It was purely an example of how many people get their ill-informed views. I've lost count of the number of times I have had to explain to my own mother that she needs to read up on a subject before hitting the Share button on Facebook, or at minimum look at who the source is.

[Slavers]

I apologise. I honestly wasn't meaning to insinuate you read Britain First nonsense.

It was purely an example of how many people get their ill-informed views. I've lost count of the number of times I have had to explain to my own mother that she needs to read up on a subject before hitting the Share button on Facebook, or at minimum look at who the source is.

Your apology is warmly accepted!

Yes I jumped the gun a wee bit with my post. For what it's worth im sure Tommy Robinson would have liked the trial to collapse so he could gain leverage on it.

[silverhibee]

Plus, by deliberately breaking reporting restrictions he knows that regular media organisations will respect, he gets to pretend there's a conspiracy of silence covering up behind anything bad Muslims do. "Look at me, the brave reporter uncovering the truth". :rolleyes:

The regular media have previous as well in the past.

[Bristolhibby]

And as i said any exposure of ANY rapist gang is a good thing.

I’m not overly bothered what the reasoning behind a rape gang being exposed if they are being exposed.

I’m not defending his actions surrounding this case.

“Why isn't he chasing around kicking up **** about white paedophilia which is much more prevalent than the few high profile cases involving Muslims? Answer is because it's not the paedophilia that disgusts him. The man is a racist cock.” Is the post I quoted. And I stand by my point. Any rape gang exposure is a good thing.

He wasn’t exposing them though. They were already on trial.

What he was doing was prejudicing the case. Something he had a previous suspended sentence for. The judge just kicked in his sentence.

J

[Ryan69]

Your point was that “the reasoning about it doesn’t matter”. Well, Tommy Robinson is using “Muslim rape gangs” to forward the idea that Islam is not compatible with western society, and people are falling for it. He’s doing more harm than good on a societal level.

Islam is not compatible with any other religion....as they want to implement their laws wherever it steps.

Look at History.

[Ryan69]

I'm being silly? You're all over this thread with nonsense. From the bacon guy getting murdered by a Muslim prisoner to Huff Post links. :hilarious

"It’s amazing what you can find out by doing 15 seconds of research instead of just believing what you read on Britain First’s Facebook page"

That's 100% correct.

Or do you prefer "one" as a pronoun?

The bacon guy is true..happened in Bristol.

Got a year in jail for putting abit of bacon on the mosques door handle.
Got murdered by a Radical Muslim.

I will find a link and post it.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/775026/BRISTOL-PROTEST-demonstrations-EDL-Anti-FA-kevin-crehan-bacon-mosque/amp

The strange thing is though,that when he was killed...it was on the news that he had been killed in jail.
Now its hard to find a reference to him being killed as such.

Fact is however...BBC are pro Muslim!

When does it ever pop up in mainstream media about there being a problem with the Muslim community in reference to them integrating.
Christ they even cant stand eachother(Sunni amd Shia)

[CropleyWasGod]

Islam is not compatible with any other religion....as they want to implement their laws wherever it steps.

Look at History."They" are a broad religion, made up of many sects and divisions, just as Christianity and Judaism. The majority are able to live in peace with the other Abrahamic religions. As with those religions, it's the fringe minorities that are dangerous.

You can't generalise about any religion in the strength of extremists.

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[CropleyWasGod]

The bacon guy is true..happened in Bristol.

Got a year in jail for putting abit of bacon on the mosques door handle.
Got murdered by a Radical Muslim.

I will find a link and post it.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/775026/BRISTOL-PROTEST-demonstrations-EDL-Anti-FA-kevin-crehan-bacon-mosque/ampThe inquest into the guy's death doesn't start until December.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2018/05/24/extremist-left-bacon-mosque-died-prison-drug-overdose-7573478/amp/


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[Ryan69]

"They" are a broad religion, made up of many sects and divisions, just as Christianity and Judaism. The majority are able to live in peace with the other Abrahamic religions. As with those religions, it's the fringe minorities that are dangerous.

You can't generalise about any religion in the strength of extremists.

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Look into history,and most places in the middle east werent originally Muslim.
They come,they take over...they rule!

If you dont like it...You die!

That is fact!

That is why we are infidels....and they carry signs saying death to infidels!

Dangerous misinterpreted versions of the Koran are the blame!

But believe kalergi plan is real!
Islam is how it will be ruled!

Look at how things are going....and please tell me im wrong.

[CropleyWasGod]

Look into history,and most places in the middle east werent originally Muslim.
They come,they take over...they rule!

If you dont like it...You die!

That is fact!

That is why we are infidels....and they carry signs saying death to infidels!

Dangerous misinterpreted versions of the Koran are the blame!

But believe kalergi plan is real!
Islam is how it will be ruled!

Look at how things are going....and please tell me im wrong.

They... again.

Why do you insist on conflating all of Islam with extremism? And why make up **** like the guy being murdered in prison? That does nobody any favours.

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[Ryan69]

They... again.

Why do you insist on conflating all of Islam with extremism? And why make up **** like the guy being murdered in prison? That does nobody any favours.

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Cause its their way or the highway....and that is also why you have no choice but to eat Halal meat wherever you go.

This is a Christian country whether you like it or not.

But I guarantee that meat you had tonight WAS Halal.
And Zakat tax on it...which has links to terrorism.

That is fact...and basic research of any kind will prove im right.

[CropleyWasGod]

Cause its their way or the highway....and that is also why you have no choice but to eat Halal meat wherever you go.

This is a Christian country whether you like it or not.

But I guarantee that meat you had tonight WAS Halal.
And Zakat tax on it...which has links to terrorism.

That is fact...and basic research of any kind will prove im right.

Again with the assumptions.

I haven't had meat in a long time. Basic research would prove I'm right [emoji16] As would research on the bacon guy....

Is the UK a Christian country? I'd say we were more pluralistic than that.



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[Ryan69]

Again with the assumptions.

I haven't had meat in a long time. Basic research would prove I'm right [emoji16] As would research on the bacon guy....

Is the UK a Christian country? I'd say we were more pluralistic than that.



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Again,You dont give me facts to say im wrong...just twist it.

What I said is right.

Go back 100 or 80 years...would our forefathers that fought and died for this country(i lost alot of family during the war)....Would they of just bent over and accepted Islam taking over?
Of course they wouldnt!

Look at the mayor of most influencial cities!
What do they have in common my friend???

[CropleyWasGod]

Again,You dont give me facts to say im wrong...just twist it.

What I said is right.

Go back 100 or 80 years...would our forefathers that fought and died for this country(i lost alot of family during the war)....Would they of just bent over and accepted Islam taking over?
Of course they wouldnt!

Look at the mayor of most influencial cities!
What do they have in common my friend???

You were wrong about the bacon guy. I posted the link.

You are wrong about Islam. I've travelled extensively in Muslim countries, and seen first-hand that the majority are peaceful and decent people. Those who pervert that notion, on both sides, do the rest of us no favours at all.

As for the point about people dying in the war.... you do know about the 400,000 Muslims who fought in the British Army in WW1 yeah?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/forgotten-army-400000-muslim-soldiers-10325190.amp

The mayors? I'm guessing that they're all democratically elected. Do I win a prize?

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[Ryan69]

You were wrong about the bacon guy. I posted the link.

You are wrong about Islam. I've travelled extensively in Muslim countries, and seen first-hand that the majority are peaceful and decent people. Those who pervert that notion, on both sides, do the rest of us no favours at all.

As for the point about people dying in the war.... you do know about the 400,000 Muslims who fought in the British Army in WW1 yeah?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/forgotten-army-400000-muslim-soldiers-10325190.amp

The mayors? I'm guessing that they're all democratically elected. Do I win a prize?

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Bacon guy was allover the news at the time..he had been killed.
Ive been to many Muslim countries too....Try going out the complex in future.
Being from somewhere else...its extremely dangerous.
Well Turkey,Tunisia,Algeria,Egypt,Pakistan.
Try there.

Radical Islam only really exploded at the fall of Saddam.

But look at the religious history of most countries in the middle east,and look at the Koran...then you will see.

[marinello59]

Look into history,and most places in the middle east werent originally Muslim.
They come,they take over...they rule!

If you dont like it...You die!

That is fact!

That is why we are infidels....and they carry signs saying death to infidels!

Dangerous misinterpreted versions of the Koran are the blame!

But believe kalergi plan is real!
Islam is how it will be ruled!

Look at how things are going....and please tell me im wrong.

My first Christmas away from home was when I was 18 and was made a lot more bearable by the many vocal Merry Christmas messages from the locals in Bahrain.
Nice people, just like the vast majority of people here who are far too nice to call you out for what you are.

[CropleyWasGod]

Bacon guy was allover the news at the time..he had been killed.
Ive been to many Muslim countries too....Try going out the complex in future.

Radical Islam only really happened at the fall of Saddam.

But look at the religious history of most countries in the middle east,and look at the Koran...then you will see.

Did you read the link I posted? The inquest into his death doesn't start until December. However, if you know the truth, you can save us all a lot of money and just tell the coroner yourself [emoji6]


Oh.... I have never been in a "complex" in any Muslim country. Another prejudicial assumption trashed.

Must dash. My neighbours are just sitting down to eat. [emoji11]
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[Ryan69]

My first Christmas away from home was when I was 18 and was made a lot more bearable by the many vocal Merry Christmas messages from the locals in Bahrain.
Nice people, just like the vast majority of people here who are far too nice to call you out for what you are.

Paying them money in their country...how do you expect the locals tobe??

[marinello59]

Paying them money in their country...how do you expect the locals tobe??

Paying them money? I was working there and didn’t spend a penny. Keep digging.

[grunt]

This thread. FFS.


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[Hibbyradge]

Christ they even cant stand eachother(Sunni amd Shia)

Did you know that the Christians in the UDA and the Christians in the IRA weren't/aren't exactly the best of pals?

Is that different?

[Pretty Boy]

If Muslims are 'taking over' they are doing a pretty crap job.

Circa 5% of the population, 2.3% of MPs in the Commons, 1.2% of the members of the House of Lords, in the history of the Scottish Parliament there have been only 4 Muslims MSPs, Northern Ireland has never had a Muslim MLA, no Muslims make up the senior Judiciary team, there are approx 1075 Mosques in the UK compared to over 50000 Christian Churches, only 3.5% of senior positions in FTSE100 companies are held by any ethnic or cultural minority.....

Still you can get Halal meat in Tesco now so it's practically the same as living in Saudi Arabia.

[One Day Soon]

Bacon guy was allover the news at the time..he had been killed.
Ive been to many Muslim countries too....Try going out the complex in future.
Being from somewhere else...its extremely dangerous.
Well Turkey,Tunisia,Algeria,Egypt,Pakistan.
Try there.

Radical Islam only really exploded at the fall of Saddam.

But look at the religious history of most countries in the middle east,and look at the Koran...then you will see.


WTF? You seriously need to read some history books. And some economic history too.

[bigwheel]

This post tells me you have never spent time with local People in these countries - the overriding feeling you get as a visitor is of the most incredible friendliness and welcome - it is beyond anything you experience in the West - you are welcomed into their home Like a family
Member...they feed you and look after you in a way that is of incredible warmth and caring ...and with a consistency that it is impossible not to notice in these parts of the world

Your views seem to be aligned to the propaganda of the right wing groups and media ....it is interesting that you talk and Islam as if it is a unified view , rather than extremists ..religious divides have caused almost every war since humans wandered the earth - and if you have noticed radical
Islam more since the fall of Saddam - have you ever considered that is primarily due to the monstrous impact of normal people in the Iraq and Afghanistan caused by the warfare brought on to them through allied bombing ?

[Future17]

If Muslims are 'taking over' they are doing a pretty crap job.

Circa 5% of the population, 2.3% of MPs in the Commons, 1.2% of the members of the House of Lords, in the history of the Scottish Parliament there have been only 4 Muslims MSPs, Northern Ireland has never had a Muslim MLA, no Muslims make up the senior Judiciary team, there are approx 1075 Mosques in the UK compared to over 50000 Christian Churches, only 3.5% of senior positions in FTSE100 companies are held by any ethnic or cultural minority.....

Still you can get Halal meat in Tesco now so it's practically the same as living in Saudi Arabia.

Sounds like a Dave King style takeover.

[Sylar]

Bacon guy was allover the news at the time..he had been killed.
Ive been to many Muslim countries too....Try going out the complex in future.
Being from somewhere else...its extremely dangerous.
Well Turkey,Tunisia,Algeria,Egypt,Pakistan.
Try there.

Radical Islam only really exploded at the fall of Saddam.

But look at the religious history of most countries in the middle east,and look at the Koran...then you will see.

As is typical from you, no facts to support anything - just hyperbole, hatred and lies.

You're a narrow-minded little bigot, and you've not visited any of these places or you'd know how full of **** that post is.

I've travelled around Iran, Turkey, Morocco, and Egypt - I've embraced the cultures I've visited, eaten their food, respected their ways and have received nothing, NOTHING, but respect and hospitality back.

Sling your hook already.

[Pete]

I think comparisons to Christianity and cultures in other countries is slightly irrelevant. We really need to look at places in our own country with high Muslim populations to see if there are any issues and ask ourselves how we can solve them and think about what is going wrong. Christianity is on the decline in the UK while Islam is the fastest growing religion in Europe, with nearly 10% of the population expected to be Muslim in a decades time so intigration is going to be important.

Unfortunately, there are apparently big problems in Northern towns like Blackburn etc...where some communities have been allowed to separate into religious and racial divides and fear has taken over. Its a complex issue but I believe that part of solving this will be to challenge any beliefs within any community that present an obstacle to integration. While right wing views must be challenged, we mustn't be afraid to ask questions of Islam and talk about the mysoginistic, homophobic nature of some of its more radical followers.

Personally, I have no strong opinion as I live in a place that's about as ethnically diverse as a Hearts game so I don't see the problems (or positive things when a true multicultural society works) that others might do. One thing I do have is strong opinions on women's and gay rights and any belief that considers these groups, or anyone else to be inferior has no place in our modern society.

Nothing should be off the table when it comes to discussions moving forward as all it will lead to is more division, more mistrust and more alienated angry young men who become entrenched and extreme. Shutting down debate in the name of racial harmony or pretending everything is perfect hasn't worked in the past. How we do all this without upsetting certain people within certain beliefs is another matter.

[Slavers]

Something to ponder is that Muslims are as much a victim to their ideology than anyone else.

A lot of muslims are indoctrinated into Islam at an early age and this is all they know. Granted that could be said about all religions.

[Geo_1875]

How did we get from a thread about an 80's pop star and gay icon to talking pish about religous intolerance.

[Saturday Boy]

How did we get from a thread about an 80's pop star and gay icon to talking pish about religous intolerance.

Up the 2468 motorway, surely 😄

[Pretty Boy]

We have our own home grown religious extremists as well. Some prop up the government for the whole country......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-44328000

[Mon Dieu4]

I think comparisons to Christianity and cultures in other countries is slightly irrelevant. We really need to look at places in our own country with high Muslim populations to see if there are any issues and ask ourselves how we can solve them and think about what is going wrong. Christianity is on the decline in the UK while Islam is the fastest growing religion in Europe, with nearly 10% of the population expected to be Muslim in a decades time so intigration is going to be important.

Unfortunately, there are apparently big problems in Northern towns like Blackburn etc...where some communities have been allowed to separate into religious and racial divides and fear has taken over. Its a complex issue but I believe that part of solving this will be to challenge any beliefs within any community that present an obstacle to integration. While right wing views must be challenged, we mustn't be afraid to ask questions of Islam and talk about the mysoginistic, homophobic nature of some of its more radical followers.

Personally, I have no strong opinion as I live in a place that's about as ethnically diverse as a Hearts game so I don't see the problems (or positive things when a true multicultural society works) that others might do. One thing I do have is strong opinions on women's and gay rights and any belief that considers these groups, or anyone else to be inferior has no place in our modern society.

Nothing should be off the table when it comes to discussions moving forward as all it will lead to is more division, more mistrust and more alienated angry young men who become entrenched and extreme. Shutting down debate in the name of racial harmony or pretending everything is perfect hasn't worked in the past. How we do all this without upsetting certain people within certain beliefs is another matter.

Excellent post, I've been trying to work out what to say on this thread for ages now but you have put it more succinctly than I ever could

[CropleyWasGod]

How did we get from a thread about an 80's pop star and gay icon to talking pish about religous intolerance.Sing if you're happy that way

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[Moulin Yarns]

This could lead to war baby

[CropleyWasGod]

This could lead to war babyAlternatively, it could be just Now Playing.

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[GreenLake]

The Tommy Robinson news caused me to donate to the first two charities regardless of his actions or the home secretary's desire to keep this quiet. I think there are a lot of unreported cases of sexual grooming and violence spread right throughout almost every social group in almost every country on the planet. It's heartbreaking but some charities are working hard to educate people and help the victims.

I couldn't give a **** about Robinson or Sajid Javid's interests regarding these horrific crimes. They are probably just the tip of a large iceberg.

Lucy Faithful Foundation (https://www.lucyfaithfull.org.uk/) - £750
Safe and Sound Group (https://safeandsoundgroup.org.uk/) - $1050

I made donations to Karuna Trust (based in UK but targeting India) after hearing about several political and/or religious gang rapes of young girls in India. I was so enraged at these stories that I wondered why we can't send the SAS to wipe out the perpetrators.

Karuna Trust has excellent patrons like Dame Judy Dench and Ben Kingsley who must have been touched while making movies out in India. I think this charity does some excellent work.

Karuna Trust (https://www.karuna.org/) (Specific project for Dalit female victims of violence) - $1000

I like to donate at home too where these problems don't make it much onto the happy news reports.

RAINN (https://www.rainn.org/) - $1000


Regardless of free speech or all the political capital that various individuals or groups try to make out of this we have to support the victims.

I am sure there are loads of other charities. Please recommend.

[jockodile]

I'm not sure why this is relevant?

As i understand it future, on court property, including outdoor,different rules apply. It is frequently ignored as often we see people leaving court and journalists on the steps trying to get a photo/comment but technically they are in breach.

TR was on the public street and talking into his phone.

Irrespective of views on that individual, and yes he had a suspended sentence sure, but when it becomes normalised to just nick someone on the street for a phone call, then a complete media ban for days only lifted due to social media pressure we have reached a scary place indeed.

[jockodile]

Something to ponder is that Muslims are as much a victim to their ideology than anyone else.

A lot of muslims are indoctrinated into Islam at an early age and this is all they know. Granted that could be said about all religions.

Of course people are just people, give me the child until they are 7 and all that. ideologies are the determinant.

in Iran I believe there is a growing underground of secularism/atheism, but with apostacy being a death sentence, fear is understandable.

[Stranraer]

I see Morrissey has jumped to Robinson's defence! I used to love Morrissey but he seems to have taken a huge swing to the right which has put me off.

[Hiber-nation]

MR SPINACH: I wish to register a complaint!

MR GAMMON: Sorry, we're closed --

MR SPINACH: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this politician what I purchased not half an hour ago from this very boutique.

MR GAMMON: Oh yes, the Tommy Robinson. What's wrong with it?

MR SPINACH: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. It's racist, that's what's wrong with it!

MR GAMMON: No, no, he's... er... taking an extreme stance to provoke debate.

MR SPINACH: Look, matey, I know a racist politician when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.

MR GAMMON: He's not racist, he's provocative! Remarkable politician, the Tommy Robinson, innit. Beautiful verbiage.

MR SPINACH: The verbiage don't enter into it. He's a massive racist.

MR GAMMON: No, no, no! He's just provocative!

MR SPINACH: All right then! If he's provocative, I'll rouse him! [Shouts at the politician] Ello, Mr Yaxley Lennon! I've got a lovely deputation of Bangladeshi protestors for you --

[The politician reacts.]

MR GAMMON: There, that wasn't racist!

MR SPINACH: Oh, it was! He pulled a face! That politician is definitely racist, and when I purchased it not half an hour ago, you assured me that its ill-advised choice of language and regrettable actions were due to bad judgment caused by being weary from campaigning to save the English people!

MR GAMMON: Well he's probably... pining for free speech.

MR SPINACH: Pining for free speech? What kind of talk is that? And why did he try to start a protest outside the Court before I even got him home? He's bleeding racist!

MR GAMMON: He's not racist, he's... opinionated!

MR SPINACH: He is not opinionated! He's a massive racist! He's prejudiced! He's intolerant! He's xenophobically sectarian! He's a huge illiberal! He displays bias pursuant to the shade of dermatological integuement of a subject! He's so far right he's halfway back to left again! THIS IS A BIGOTED POLITICIAN!

MR GAMMON [wilting]: Well, I'd better replace it then. How about this Boris Johnson?

MR SPINACH: Is he racist?

MR GAMMON [unwillingly]: ...a bit.

MR SPINACH: Well he's no bleeding better than the other one, is he?

MR GAMMON: I've got a shop soiled Jeremy Corbyn.

MR SPINACH: Shop soiled? How can you tell?

MR GAMMON: I think we're getting away from the original point of the joke, here, sir.

MR SPINACH: And it's getting silly.

MR GAMMON: All right, let's stop.

[WeeRussell]

My first Christmas away from home was when I was 18 and was made a lot more bearable by the many vocal Merry Christmas messages from the locals in Bahrain.
Nice people, just like the vast majority of people here who are far too nice to call you out for what you are.

:agree: Quite frightening evidence of how the narrow-minded cannot be swayed regardless of what's put in front of them.

As for the retort about paying them money. Even if that had been the case... is it now being suggested that muslims in general are nice, welcoming, peace-loving guys when they're making money.. but turn into axe-wielding savages who want to take over the world as soon as the money stops?!

[Hibbyradge]

MR SPINACH: I wish to register a complaint!

MR GAMMON: Sorry, we're closed --

MR SPINACH: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this politician what I purchased not half an hour ago from this very boutique.

MR GAMMON: Oh yes, the Tommy Robinson. What's wrong with it?

MR SPINACH: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. It's racist, that's what's wrong with it!

MR GAMMON: No, no, he's... er... taking an extreme stance to provoke debate.

MR SPINACH: Look, matey, I know a racist politician when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.

MR GAMMON: He's not racist, he's provocative! Remarkable politician, the Tommy Robinson, innit. Beautiful verbiage.

MR SPINACH: The verbiage don't enter into it. He's a massive racist.

MR GAMMON: No, no, no! He's just provocative!

MR SPINACH: All right then! If he's provocative, I'll rouse him! [Shouts at the politician] Ello, Mr Yaxley Lennon! I've got a lovely deputation of Bangladeshi protestors for you --

[The politician reacts.]

MR GAMMON: There, that wasn't racist!

MR SPINACH: Oh, it was! He pulled a face! That politician is definitely racist, and when I purchased it not half an hour ago, you assured me that its ill-advised choice of language and regrettable actions were due to bad judgment caused by being weary from campaigning to save the English people!

MR GAMMON: Well he's probably... pining for free speech.

MR SPINACH: Pining for free speech? What kind of talk is that? And why did he try to start a protest outside the Court before I even got him home? He's bleeding racist!

MR GAMMON: He's not racist, he's... opinionated!

MR SPINACH: He is not opinionated! He's a massive racist! He's prejudiced! He's intolerant! He's xenophobically sectarian! He's a huge illiberal! He displays bias pursuant to the shade of dermatological integuement of a subject! He's so far right he's halfway back to left again! THIS IS A BIGOTED POLITICIAN!

MR GAMMON [wilting]: Well, I'd better replace it then. How about this Boris Johnson?

MR SPINACH: Is he racist?

MR GAMMON [unwillingly]: ...a bit.

MR SPINACH: Well he's no bleeding better than the other one, is he?

MR GAMMON: I've got a shop soiled Jeremy Corbyn.

MR SPINACH: Shop soiled? How can you tell?

MR GAMMON: I think we're getting away from the original point of the joke, here, sir.

MR SPINACH: And it's getting silly.

MR GAMMON: All right, let's stop.

Absolutely brilliant!

:applause: :top marks

[Hiber-nation]

Absolutely brilliant!

:applause: :top marks

It is. Obviously not my work :greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

It is. Obviously not my work :greengrin

You could have kept shtum so more Kudos on its way to you. :aok:

[Hiber-nation]

You could have kept shtum so more Kudos on its way to you. :aok:

:thumbsup:

I just wish I could see Cleese and Palin doing it.

[RIP]

95% if Robinson supporters are either middle aged football thugs, people of lowIQ or criminals. And almost exclusively male.

They are incapable of telling the difference between race and religion. The fact is that no rapists are Muslims. The minute a person claiming to be Muslim commits rape, they merely prove that they are not a follower of Islam.

[Hibbyradge]

95% if Robinson supporters are either middle aged football thugs, people of lowIQ or criminals. And almost exclusively male.

They are incapable of telling the difference between race and religion. The fact is that no rapists are Muslims. The minute a person claiming to be Muslim commits rape, they merely prove that they are not a follower of Islam.

I'm not sure that follows.

Lots of people break their own religion's rules. Catholics go to confession and receive forgiveness afterwards.

[Slavers]

95% if Robinson supporters are either middle aged football thugs, people of lowIQ or criminals. And almost exclusively male.

They are incapable of telling the difference between race and religion. The fact is that no rapists are Muslims. The minute a person claiming to be Muslim commits rape, they merely prove that they are not a follower of Islam.

A simpleton's explanation of events.

[Hibbyradge]

A simpleton's explanation of events.

Did you really need to insult?

[Stranraer]

I'm not sure that follows.

Lots of people break their own religion's rules. Catholics go to confession and receive forgiveness afterwards.

As far as I'm aware, Muslims cannot go to an Imam for confession...

[CropleyWasGod]

As far as I'm aware, Muslims cannot go to an Imam for confession...Think the point is that there is no such thing as perfection in any religion. All followers have weak and "wrong" moments. By themselves, that doesn't necessarily render them excluded from their particular faith.

On your particular point, some Muslims can get dispensation from Imams, for example during Ramadan it's possible to be excused by reason of health and other issues.

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[Stranraer]

Think the point is that there is no such thing as perfection in any religion. All followers have weak and "wrong" moments. By themselves, that doesn't necessarily render them excluded from their particular faith.

On your particular point, some Muslims can get dispensation from Imams, for example during Ramadan it's possible to be excused by reason of health and other issues.

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:aok: cheers for that. I had confession just last week and after it forgot to ask the Priest cause he seems to know a lot about other religions.

[Hibbyradge]

As far as I'm aware, Muslims cannot go to an Imam for confession...

That wasn't my point.

Folk break their religion's rules all the time, it's called sinning. They still identify themselves as Christian, Jewish, Muslim etc.

My reference to confession was to underline that point.

Murderers, rapists, peadophiles, burglars etc don't get excommunicated, actually or spiritually, as soon as they commit a crime.

[Stranraer]

That wasn't my point.

Folk break their religion's rules all the time, it's called sinning. They still identify themselves as Christian, Jewish, Muslim etc.

My reference to confession was to underline that point.

Murderers, rapists, peadophiles, burglars etc don't get excommunicated, actually or spiritually, as soon as they commit a crime.

Yeah sorry man I think I missed the point there :aok:

[CropleyWasGod]

That wasn't my point.

Folk break their religion's rules all the time, it's called sinning. They still identify themselves as Christian, Jewish, Muslim etc.

My reference to confession was to underline that point.

Murderers, rapists, peadophiles, burglars etc don't get excommunicated, actually or spiritually, as soon as they commit a crime.Indeed.

I coveted my neighbour's ass last week, and I haven't had the Wee Frees tanning my windows yet.

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[Moulin Yarns]

Indeed.

I coveted my neighbour's ass last week, and I haven't had the Wee Frees tanning my windows yet.

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They are waiting on you turning the other cheek :wink:

[Onceinawhile]

I see there was riots at the free Tommy March today. Which is strange because

1) his name isn't Tommy
2) I Thought they hated folk "coming over here and not respecting the law"

or is it just the first part that's the problem?

[pacoluna]

I see there was riots at the free Tommy March today. Which is strange because

1) his name isn't Tommy
2) I Thought they hated folk "coming over here and not respecting the law"

or is it just the first part that's the problem?
The guy who harps on about "muslims" disrespecting our laws consistently disrespects and breaks our laws on a daily basis. The guy is a picture of hypocrisy.

[Hibrandenburg]

I see there was riots at the free Tommy March today. Which is strange because

1) his name isn't Tommy
2) I Thought they hated folk "coming over here and not respecting the law"

or is it just the first part that's the problem?

A day to be proud of. Nazi salutes on the UK's streets, attacks and running riots with our police. Journalists beaten up, medics assaulted, drunken crowds cheering on openly fascist speeches and an attempt to storm Whitehall. Proud day for the British people. This is what the start of the end looks like, we've seen it happen all around the world where hate gains the upper hand and chaos ensues. The lesson from history is not that the Nazis murdered 6 million Jews, the lesson from history is to understand why millions of ordinary Germans thought it was acceptable to do so. We're walking blindly into civil war and some are even encouraging it. Well you reap what you sow.

[calumhibee1]

Just seen this getting shared about Facebook..

I am not ashamed of being a Tommy Robinson fan because Ive seen what he's about and not just copied someone's ignorant opinion.I find a lot of people either have false opinions of Tommy Robinson or don't know much about him. Here's a few FACTS to fill the gaps.
Tommy grew up in Luton a very multicultural Town. He had friends from all race and religions growing up, even 3 Muslims at his wedding. Early teenage years he noticed early signs of Pakistani grooming gangs so set up the EDL to make people aware of radical Islam spreading around the Country. EDL became the biggest group of it's kind in Europe and this made him a target for the police.He changed his name to Tommy Robinson to try isolate his family from any attacks. He is constantly harrassed and followed by haters and police. Yes he has a criminal record, grossly exaggerated by the
haters, mainly for being drunk,football fighting, attacking an inmate who going to pour boiling water on him, trying to enter America for a rally on another passport, attacking a man waving an ISIS flag next to a policeman who did nothing, attacking an EDL member for being a far right Nazi, arrested on a dying childs charity walk when clearly attacked and luckily caught on film, mortgage fraud where actually wasn't him but a family member but came to a compromise with police if they left his family alone he would plead guilty and do a small sentence, arrested for contempt of court for shouting at paedo rapists in court. So hardly a big time criminal in fact most arrests quite honourable ! Left EDL when out from prison because the far right had taken over. Actually he's hated by far right as much as muslims. Now he basically tries to inform the public of what is actually going on in this Country that the Police, Media and Government don't want us to know about so he is a massive target .He states facts about Islam, it's beliefs and objectives. He has now been imprisoned again for doing a live stream video outside a court only stating facts that was on the BBC website after clearly being seen asking a policemen outside the court if he was OK to do this. So 13 months and sent to Hull moderate prison.
There was a massive 30,000 protest in London with backing from all over the world with no media coverage. Weekend after massive march the decision straight from the Home Secretary Sajid Javid (😕) to move him to highly volatile muslim predominant prison was made. They want him to disappear. His popularity has gone global now and the media are trying to hide it.
So if anyone wanted a quick Summary to who this Hitler character is there you have it. Me personally think he's just a bit of a rogue who loves his Country and its values and in his words is happy to sacrifice his life if it means his kids grow up in a safer world . Constantly portrayed as a far right racist which is clearly not true . How can he be spreading hate if he's just stating facts ? He's done many campaigns for rape victims, dying children trips to Florida , injured soldiers, charity work etc etc. He should be ****ing Knighted but the average man on the street just knows what they are fed by the media. I suppose you have to be a bit of a rogue to have the bravery to do what he does.
If you don't care about your Country I'm sorry to bore you. 🍺

The honourable arrests bit is superb. Went to jail for mortgage fraud but it wasn’t him, he just lied in court and to the police so they’d think it was him. Which also makes him a fanny. And I’m so glad the statement was finished with a pint emoji, it fits the stereotypical TR fan persona “lads lads lads, pints pints pints” very well.

I make it at least 9 criminal charges in that paragraph. He’s a real lovable rogue is oor Tommy, he’s just misunderstood and victimised.

[Tomsk]

"He should be Knighted."

:angelic:

[Ryan69]

95% if Robinson supporters are either middle aged football thugs, people of lowIQ or criminals. And almost exclusively male.

They are incapable of telling the difference between race and religion. The fact is that no rapists are Muslims. The minute a person claiming to be Muslim commits rape, they merely prove that they are not a follower of Islam.

You mean like their prophet...that doesnt have a prophecy.

[Alex Trager]

Just seen this getting shared about Facebook..

I am not ashamed of being a Tommy Robinson fan because Ive seen what he's about and not just copied someone's ignorant opinion.I find a lot of people either have false opinions of Tommy Robinson or don't know much about him. Here's a few FACTS to fill the gaps.
Tommy grew up in Luton a very multicultural Town. He had friends from all race and religions growing up, even 3 Muslims at his wedding. Early teenage years he noticed early signs of Pakistani grooming gangs so set up the EDL to make people aware of radical Islam spreading around the Country. EDL became the biggest group of it's kind in Europe and this made him a target for the police.He changed his name to Tommy Robinson to try isolate his family from any attacks. He is constantly harrassed and followed by haters and police. Yes he has a criminal record, grossly exaggerated by the
haters, mainly for being drunk,football fighting, attacking an inmate who going to pour boiling water on him, trying to enter America for a rally on another passport, attacking a man waving an ISIS flag next to a policeman who did nothing, attacking an EDL member for being a far right Nazi, arrested on a dying childs charity walk when clearly attacked and luckily caught on film, mortgage fraud where actually wasn't him but a family member but came to a compromise with police if they left his family alone he would plead guilty and do a small sentence, arrested for contempt of court for shouting at paedo rapists in court. So hardly a big time criminal in fact most arrests quite honourable ! Left EDL when out from prison because the far right had taken over. Actually he's hated by far right as much as muslims. Now he basically tries to inform the public of what is actually going on in this Country that the Police, Media and Government don't want us to know about so he is a massive target .He states facts about Islam, it's beliefs and objectives. He has now been imprisoned again for doing a live stream video outside a court only stating facts that was on the BBC website after clearly being seen asking a policemen outside the court if he was OK to do this. So 13 months and sent to Hull moderate prison.
There was a massive 30,000 protest in London with backing from all over the world with no media coverage. Weekend after massive march the decision straight from the Home Secretary Sajid Javid ([emoji53]) to move him to highly volatile muslim predominant prison was made. They want him to disappear. His popularity has gone global now and the media are trying to hide it.
So if anyone wanted a quick Summary to who this Hitler character is there you have it. Me personally think he's just a bit of a rogue who loves his Country and its values and in his words is happy to sacrifice his life if it means his kids grow up in a safer world . Constantly portrayed as a far right racist which is clearly not true . How can he be spreading hate if he's just stating facts ? He's done many campaigns for rape victims, dying children trips to Florida , injured soldiers, charity work etc etc. He should be ****ing Knighted but the average man on the street just knows what they are fed by the media. I suppose you have to be a bit of a rogue to have the bravery to do what he does.
If you don't care about your Country I'm sorry to bore you. [emoji481]

The honourable arrests bit is superb. Went to jail for mortgage fraud but it wasn’t him, he just lied in court and to the police so they’d think it was him. Which also makes him a fanny. And I’m so glad the statement was finished with a pint emoji, it fits the stereotypical TR fan persona “lads lads lads, pints pints pints” very well.

I make it at least 9 criminal charges in that paragraph. He’s a real lovable rogue is oor Tommy, he’s just misunderstood and victimised.

I assume you unfollowed this character?

That’s a belter, the highlights being the points you mentioned

[Colr]

I assume you unfollowed this character?

That’s a belter, the highlights being the points you mentioned

The thing about right-wingers facts is that they are usually big, fat lies.

Mein Kampf is quite explicit on the value of telling big lies as a political strategy and they all seem to follow this philosophy.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Why have we got a six page thread on a waste of oxygen like Robinson? Anyone who assumes the name of a notorious football hooligan isn't to be take seriously. A total ned with penchant for self-publicity. Other than demagoguery, I don't see what he contributes to anything.

[Ryan69]

Why have we got a six page thread on a waste of oxygen like Robinson? Anyone who assumes the name of a notorious football hooligan isn't to be take seriously. A total ned with penchant for self-publicity. Other than demagoguery, I don't see what he contributes to anything.

The thing that you and most people dont understand in fairness....Enoch Powell was right!

British couples generally have about 2 kids.
Muslims couple about 9.
Do the Maths there...and figure out what will happen.

Its already happening

Look at history!

In this lifetime,unless something is done...UK will become another Islamic state!

Simple multiplying explains this!

[CropleyWasGod]

The thing that you and most people dont understand in fairness....Enoch Powell was right!

British couples generally have about 2 kids.
Muslims couple about 9.
Do the Maths there...and figure out what will happen.

Its already happening

Look at history!

In this lifetime,unless something is done...UK will become another Islamic state!

Simple multiplying explains this!

Uh huh?

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/jan/10/rise-british-muslim-birthrate-the-times-census

"Almost a tenth of babies and toddlers in England and Wales are Muslim"

So, I'm doing my maths. That means that 90% aren't.

[Hibrandenburg]

The thing that you and most people dont understand in fairness....Enoch Powell was right!

British couples generally have about 2 kids.
Muslims couple about 9.
Do the Maths there...and figure out what will happen.

Its already happening

Look at history!

In this lifetime,unless something is done...UK will become another Islamic state!

Simple multiplying explains this!

What about all those children born to Muslims who will decide they don't give a flying **** about religion and become part of the atheist masses? Should we be concerned about growing atheism in the UK?

[CropleyWasGod]

What about all those children born to Muslims who will decide they don't give a flying **** about religion and become part of the atheist masses? Should we be concerned about growing atheism in the UK?

They'll be Muslamic atheists, though.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The thing that you and most people dont understand in fairness....Enoch Powell was right!

British couples generally have about 2 kids.
Muslims couple about 9.
Do the Maths there...and figure out what will happen.

Its already happening

Look at history!

In this lifetime,unless something is done...UK will become another Islamic state!

Simple multiplying explains this!

Please tell me this an ironic post and not representative of your true beliefs? I'd expect to read this kind of crap on a Rangers forum, but never thought I'd see it on a Hibs one. I really hope it's just dark humour on your part.

[Hibrandenburg]

They'll be Muslamic atheists, though.

Next to agnostic Buddostanis they're the worst.

[beensaidbefore]

Uh huh?

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/jan/10/rise-british-muslim-birthrate-the-times-census

"Almost a tenth of babies and toddlers in England and Wales are Muslim"

So, I'm doing my maths. That means that 90% aren't.

what percentage of the overall population is muslim?

[CropleyWasGod]

what percentage of the overall population is muslim?As it says in the link, 5%.

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[Hiber-nation]

The thing that you and most people dont understand in fairness....Enoch Powell was right!

British couples generally have about 2 kids.
Muslims couple about 9.
Do the Maths there...and figure out what will happen.

Its already happening

Look at history!

In this lifetime,unless something is done...UK will become another Islamic state!

Simple multiplying explains this!

You'll be proud that your style is a replica of Trump's. Inappropriate exclamation marks galore. I don't get it.

[beensaidbefore]

As it says in the link, 5%.

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Thanks. can't open link on my phone.

[grunt]

The thing that you and most people dont understand in fairness....Enoch Powell was right!

British couples generally have about 2 kids.
Muslims couple about 9.
Do the Maths there...and figure out what will happen.

Its already happening

Look at history!

In this lifetime,unless something is done...UK will become another Islamic state!

Simple multiplying explains this!

A wild guess here, but did you happen to vote for Brexit by any chance?


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[CropleyWasGod]

Thanks. can't open link on my phone.[emoji106]

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[bigwheel]

The thing that you and most people dont understand in fairness....Enoch Powell was right!

British couples generally have about 2 kids.
Muslims couple about 9.
Do the Maths there...and figure out what will happen.

Its already happening

Look at history!

In this lifetime,unless something is done...UK will become another Islamic state!

Simple multiplying explains this!

So what, Who cares ?? The country will evolve to whatever it becomes.....and the good ethos of communities will shine through....many years ago there wasn't such a thing as "Britain" , there were different cultures in tribes...., Picts, celts, Anglo saxons....change happens.

you simply have a hate for people of another religion...frankly, it is barbaric....


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[Colr]

Please tell me this an ironic post and not representative of your true beliefs? I'd expect to read this kind of crap on a Rangers forum, but never thought I'd see it on a Hibs one. I really hope it's just dark humour on your part.

The Rangers forums are still making that point about Irish catholics.

[Hibbyradge]

There are less than 3 million Muslims in the UK.

There are around 5 million Catholics.

[CropleyWasGod]

There are less than 3 million Muslims in the UK.

There are around 5 million Catholics.I did the maths.

If the Muslamics are having 9 kids, the Taigs are having 15.



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[Pretty Boy]

A few weeks ago we had a Baptist Minister comes to our Church for Mass. He read the Gospel reading then gave the homily afterwards. He opened by saying it was a pleasure to be with us and that one of the members of his own Church had remarked it was a ‘miracle’ he was partaking in a Catholic Mass and that our Priest would be making a reciprocal visit to their Church a week later. Whilst there is an emphasis on miracles in the Christian faith on this occasion it wasn’t a miracle. It was hard work and a good dose of common sense. For a few years several of the churches in the area have worked together to engage in ecumenical activities and community projects. There’s a couple of Catholic Churches, 2 or 3 Church of Scotland, a Baptist and an Episcopalian. As such there’s an understanding amongst those who attend the respective Churches that working together has benefits and that ultimately our beliefs are pretty similar.

In the time that has passed since our Priest met with an Imam from a Glasgow Mosque. His name escapes me but apparently he was seen as a bit revolutionary because he was one of the 1st in the UK to preach exclusively in English as opposed to Arabic. He visited the Church and wrote a few nice words in the visitor book. There was also a meeting with a Rabbi from the Synagogue in Edinburgh and he extended an invite for anyone interested to go and visit and be shown around the Synagogue and learn about the Jewish service, he said he hoped a few of his regular attendees could also come and have a look around the Church and try to understand Catholicism a bit better.

It made me think that I really don’t recall ever interacting with a Jewish person in over a decade. I had one mate at Uni who was Jewish and that’s it. Likewise I have no Muslim friends and only a couple of very distant acquaintances. I wonder how typical that is? How many people get their views on other faiths, or those of no faith, from indirect secondary sources? How much does the media, mainstream or otherwise, influence our opinion of those who are ‘different’ from us? I wonder how many of Robinson’s followers interact closely with Muslims on a daily or weekly basis and whether they do so with with an open mind.

Dishonesty and the ignorance of others are powerful tools for those who wish to influence people for their own agendas. Listening to and learning about people of different faiths and those of no faith are the best weapons there are to combat that.

[Mibbes Aye]

The thing that you and most people dont understand in fairness....Enoch Powell was right!

British couples generally have about 2 kids.
Muslims couple about 9.
Do the Maths there...and figure out what will happen.

Its already happening

Look at history!

In this lifetime,unless something is done...UK will become another Islamic state!

Simple multiplying explains this!

Are Muslims not British :confused:

[WeeRussell]

What about all those children born to Muslims who will decide they don't give a flying **** about religion and become part of the atheist masses? Should we be concerned about growing atheism in the UK?

Just a guess, but I suspect his concern hasn’t really anything to do with religion and he’s more concerned about a decreasing percentage of proppa British white folks.

[wpj]

A few weeks ago we had a Baptist Minister comes to our Church for Mass. He read the Gospel reading then gave the homily afterwards. He opened by saying it was a pleasure to be with us and that one of the members of his own Church had remarked it was a ‘miracle’ he was partaking in a Catholic Mass and that our Priest would be making a reciprocal visit to their Church a week later. Whilst there is an emphasis on miracles in the Christian faith on this occasion it wasn’t a miracle. It was hard work and a good dose of common sense. For a few years several of the churches in the area have worked together to engage in ecumenical activities and community projects. There’s a couple of Catholic Churches, 2 or 3 Church of Scotland, a Baptist and an Episcopalian. As such there’s an understanding amongst those who attend the respective Churches that working together has benefits and that ultimately our beliefs are pretty similar.

In the time that has passed since our Priest met with an Imam from a Glasgow Mosque. His name escapes me but apparently he was seen as a bit revolutionary because he was one of the 1st in the UK to preach exclusively in English as opposed to Arabic. He visited the Church and wrote a few nice words in the visitor book. There was also a meeting with a Rabbi from the Synagogue in Edinburgh and he extended an invite for anyone interested to go and visit and be shown around the Synagogue and learn about the Jewish service, he said he hoped a few of his regular attendees could also come and have a look around the Church and try to understand Catholicism a bit better.

It made me think that I really don’t recall ever interacting with a Jewish person in over a decade. I had one mate at Uni who was Jewish and that’s it. Likewise I have no Muslim friends and only a couple of very distant acquaintances. I wonder how typical that is? How many people get their views on other faiths, or those of no faith, from indirect secondary sources? How much does the media, mainstream or otherwise, influence our opinion of those who are ‘different’ from us? I wonder how many of Robinson’s followers interact closely with Muslims on a daily or weekly basis and whether they do so with with an open mind.

Dishonesty and the ignorance of others are powerful tools for those who wish to influence people for their own agendas. Listening to and learning about people of different faiths and those of no faith are the best weapons there are to combat that.

My Dad was a minister in Bo'ness way back. All the ministers and Catholic priest used to meet monthly to share and support each other. Unfortunately the Catholic Priest used to have the windows in his house smashed in fairly regularly so the support was mainly for him. It was a very forward thinking meeting though especially given the amount of bigotry at that time. I'd like to think that the same kindness and understanding would be extended to any other religious leaders.
I have attended all kinds of churches temples etc. Am going to a mosque next month but have to go with my friends husband cos it's strictly seperated by gender as was the Hindu temple I attended. Would be nice to see that eradicated but am genuinely looking forward to my visit.

[calumhibee1]

Are Muslims not British :confused:

His posts are laughable tbh.

[Pretty Boy]

Are Muslims not British :confused:

But but bit where are they REALLY from?

[Sylar]

The thing that you and most people dont understand in fairness....Enoch Powell was right!

British couples generally have about 2 kids.
Muslims couple about 9.
Do the Maths there...and figure out what will happen.

Its already happening

Look at history!

In this lifetime,unless something is done...UK will become another Islamic state!

Simple multiplying explains this!

It really is a shame you crawled back out from underneath your rock.

This forum is a much better place without you on it.

Take your bigotry and **** off already.

[heretoday]

Next to agnostic Buddostanis they're the worst.

No. Lapsed Episcopalians are the worst. (hangs head in shame)

[Hibernia&Alba]

The Rangers forums are still making that point about Irish catholics.

About any Catholics. They may love discrimination, but they don't pick and choose between the Catholics, and now they have the Muslims; that's three billion people to slander in one go. Good times. :aok:

[Smartie]

I started to read a good book (must get back to it) called Factfulness.

The basic premise of the book is that the world isn't anything like as bad as we think. Standards everywhere are improving, in every way, and we are duped into thinking things are far worse than they are by sensationalist and incorrect reporting that we lap up.

One of the facts it covers early on is birth rate. There will be more children born to couples in poorer countries to poorer people in order for them to ensure the survival of some of their offspring. As infant mortality reduces in more prosperous places, people have more family planning and have less children.

18th century Ireland, out in the sticks in Yemen or South Sudan - people will have more children as without easy access to modern medicine less children will survive.

I don't suspect that 2 UK born Muslims who are doctors will need to have 15 children in order for their bloodline to survive.

Therefore this talk of UK Muslims breeding like rabbits and taking over is utter nonsense.

[Hibernia&Alba]

'They' don't even breed like rabbits, they breed like rats, just ask any bigot.


https://youtu.be/kAeEJ3a2yt0

[Colr]

Just a guess, but I suspect his concern hasn’t really anything to do with religion and he’s more concerned about a decreasing percentage of proppa British white folks.

Well, I can trace my British ancestry back 1500 years when the population was 1.5million so there’s one **** of a lot of you ******* need to piss off back to where you came from so I can have my country back!!

Let’s start with Yackety-Lennon

[21.05.2016]

Tommy Robinson is a self-centred attention seeker who makes out he's some kind of hero. Him getting the jail unfortunately has only made more his victim complex bigger.

He got punished because he disobeyed orders to stop recording as it could have ****ed up the entire trial. Never have or never will have any sympathy for that horrible wee bigot. He's the absolute epitome of "small man syndrome".

Interestingly enough I don't see him going around trying to expose white peadophiles (and there are plenty). All about promoting his "big bad muslims" agenda.

[Ozymandias]

Cause its their way or the highway....and that is also why you have no choice but to eat Halal meat wherever you go.

This is a Christian country whether you like it or not.

But I guarantee that meat you had tonight WAS Halal.
And Zakat tax on it...which has links to terrorism.

That is fact...and basic research of any kind will prove im right.

Bit late to this thread, and enjoyed reading some of the rantings. Most of your utter tripe has been addressed, but not this one.
I have dealt with and visited many food processors, and your statement is simply false. Basic research? Try some.

[Ryan69]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/british-white-people-set-become-14830628.amp

Easier to pretend its not happening though....

[CropleyWasGod]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/british-white-people-set-become-14830628.amp

Easier to pretend its not happening though....

"It" being what, exactly?

Whites becoming a minority? The article doesn't actually support the headline.

It suggests that "non-whites" will become the majority. Which means people of African origin, Arabic, South Asian, East Asian, Caribbean etc etc added together.

White people will still be, by far, the largest ethnic group. So those that are concerned by 'it" can still sleep soundly in their beds.

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[RIP]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/british-white-people-set-become-14830628.amp

Easier to pretend its not happening though....

Who are the ‘white people’? Jesus was brown. In my sons primary class in Towerbank Portobello only 4 kids had 4 Scottish grandparents. I have Jewish and Irish ancestry. My youngest son has Algerian heritage.

Scots were welcomed all over the world. Twenty of my friends and family live internationally. I have work colleagues and friends from India&Pakistan, Africa, Far East, America and Europe.

Yours are the views of a dinosaur who refuses to accept the reality of the world we live in. They are also out of step with the values of a club formed by immigrants.

It is not ‘they’ who do not belong among us Ryan.

It is you.

[Hibrandenburg]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/british-white-people-set-become-14830628.amp

Easier to pretend its not happening though....

You really need to have a look at this and get it in your head that it's always been happening and always will.

https://youtu.be/IpKqCu6RcdI

[Ozymandias]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/british-white-people-set-become-14830628.amp

Easier to pretend its not happening though....

Do you avvept any of the specific, fact-based rebuttals to any of the allegations you assert? Or do you just do a fingers-in-the-ears job when presented with evidence. You're like a textbook definition of cognitive dissonance

[Ryan69]

Who are the ‘white people’? Jesus was brown. In my sons primary class in Towerbank Portobello only 4 kids had 4 Scottish grandparents. I have Jewish and Irish ancestry. My youngest son has Algerian heritage.

Scots were welcomed all over the world. Twenty of my friends and family live internationally. I have work colleagues and friends from India&Pakistan, Africa, Far East, America and Europe.

Yours are the views of a dinosaur who refuses to accept the reality of the world we live in. They are also out of step with the values of a club formed by immigrants.

It is not ‘they’ who do not belong among us Ryan.

It is you.

I only care about what is happening in the UK.

I have every right to live here,I served my country...did you?

[CapitalGreen]

I only care about what is happening in the UK.

I have every right to live here,I served my country...did you?

😂😂😂

[bigwheel]

I only care about what is happening in the UK.

I have every right to live here,I served my country...did you?


you seem to have a misapprehension that this country is only for "white people"....I'm delighted to see the UK now full of diversity..makes it richer and more interesting...many ethnic minorities with a deep british heritage too - it's not going to revert back either - How do you like them apples?

[CropleyWasGod]

I only care about what is happening in the UK.

I have every right to live here,I served my country...did you?By that logic, you'll be happy for Muslims (or anyone of a non-Christian faith) who have served with the armed forces, or who have served the country in other ways (for example, by paying tax), to live here.

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[Ozymandias]

I only care about what is happening in the UK.

I have every right to live here,I served my country...did you?
You didn't though, did you?

[One Day Soon]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/british-white-people-set-become-14830628.amp

Easier to pretend its not happening though....


The important figure in that report is the 42.1% of people in Birmingham who identified themselves as non-white British. The trouble is that people who are colour blind and people who are not colour blind read that sentence in two completely different ways.

One person sees "42.1 per cent of people in Birmingham classified themselves as non-white British in the 2011 census".

Another person sees "42.1 per cent of people in Birmingham classified themselves as non-white British in the 2011 census"

[WeeRussell]

I only care about what is happening in the UK.

I have every right to live here,I served my country...did you?

As in.. Amsterdam?

[JeMeSouviens]

The important figure in that report is the 42.1% of people in Birmingham who identified themselves as non-white British. The trouble is that people who are colour blind and people who are not colour blind read that sentence in two completely different ways.

One person sees "42.1 per cent of people in Birmingham classified themselves as non-white British in the 2011 census".

Another person sees "42.1 per cent of people in Birmingham classified themselves as non-white British in the 2011 census"

Sorry, I'm having a thick moment here. What's the difference? :confused:

Do you mean non-[white British] as opposed to [non-white] British?

I didn't see the former meaning without looking at it very hard. I'm sure it's meant to be the latter.

[One Day Soon]

Sorry, I'm having a thick moment here. What's the difference? :confused:

This 42.1% of people: Do you want to feel pleased that they see themselves as British or do you want to feel humpty that they are - or see themselves as - non-white?

[JeMeSouviens]

This 42.1% of people: Do you want to feel pleased that they see themselves as British or do you want to feel humpty that they are - or see themselves as - non-white?

Oh, I see. Whatever they like is fine by me. How about rUK-ish? :wink:

[One Day Soon]

Oh, I see. Whatever they like is fine by me. How about rUK-ish? :wink:

Doesn't trip off the tongue quite so well. Plus being British means they're part of the Union, Jack. :greengrin

[The Modfather]

Anyone seen Ryan69 and Ignsh70 in the same room at the same time? 🤔

[JeMeSouviens]

Anyone seen Ryan69 and Ignsh70 in the same room at the same time? 🤔

Is the answer Richard Leonard? :wink:

[Alex Trager]

I only care about what is happening in the UK.

I have every right to live here,I served my country...did you?

Haha this is a cracker mate.

You served your country so you deserve to stay here.

How do you feel about muslims who have served?

[Dinkydoo]

Haha this is a cracker mate.

You served your country so you deserve to stay here.

How do you feel about muslims who have served?My guess would be so long as they're not brown, they're ok.

[Lendo]

I only care about what is happening in the UK.

I have every right to live here,I served my country...did you?

Would love to know a little bit about how/when/where you served your country?

[Hibby70]

Would love to know a little bit about how/when/where you served your country?

Little chef, 1983.

[calumhibee1]

I only care about what is happening in the UK.

I have every right to live here,I served my country...did you?

Did ye aye?

[calumhibee1]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/british-white-people-set-become-14830628.amp

Easier to pretend its not happening though....

Would you classify yourself as a racist or are you in denial?

[blackpoolhibs]

While the mainstream media ignore trials like this, and seem frightened to report news like this. The Tommy Robinson supporters will point this out, and continue to ask why?

It gives them more ammunition, and the bigots lap it up.

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/16113260.Oxford_child_sex_gang_who_ran__predatory_ _grooming_ring_is_convicted/

[CropleyWasGod]

While the mainstream media ignore trials like this, and seem frightened to report news like this. The Tommy Robinson supporters will point this out, and continue to ask why?

It gives them more ammunition, and the bigots lap it up.

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/16113260.Oxford_child_sex_gang_who_ran__predatory_ _grooming_ring_is_convicted/It was reported by the BBC at the time, no?

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[bigwheel]

While the mainstream media ignore trials like this, and seem frightened to report news like this. The Tommy Robinson supporters will point this out, and continue to ask why?

It gives them more ammunition, and the bigots lap it up.

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/16113260.Oxford_child_sex_gang_who_ran__predatory_ _grooming_ring_is_convicted/

This got wide national media coverage at the time....


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[blackpoolhibs]

It was reported by the BBC at the time, no?

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This got wide national media coverage at the time....


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I would hope it was, but i don't remember seeing it at all, and i do watch the news every night? :confused:

[CropleyWasGod]

I would hope it was, but i don't remember seeing it at all, and i do watch the news every night? :confused: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-oxfordshire-43787377

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[bigwheel]

I would hope it was, but i don't remember seeing it at all, and i do watch the news every night? :confused:

Was covered from many angles as I recall.... do some searches on BBC and other media sites - I’m sure the coverage will be there

[blackpoolhibs]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-oxfordshire-43787377

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I googled that myself and saw it, was it on the telly as if it was i must have missed it? :dunno:

[CropleyWasGod]

I googled that myself and saw it, was it on the telly as if it was i must have missed it? :dunno:

I couldn't say. I rarely watch the TV news these days, and get my fix online.

The problem with TV news is that they have to prioritise things to fit into a half-hour or hour programme. Some things which, on another day, would be headlines, will get bumped partially or completely if there is a "bigegr" story. Without revisiting the news stories of that time, it's hard to say whether that was the case here.

[Onceinawhile]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-oxfordshire-43787377

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Aye, but other than being exposed and reported on almost all main stream sites? Where was it reported? Did the BBC come to my door and tell me? No. Why? Because the media is afraid to look islamaphobic.

[Killiehibbie]

Aye, but other than being exposed and reported on almost all main stream sites? Where was it reported? Did the BBC come to my door and tell me? No. Why? Because the media is afraid to look islamaphobic.

A lot of people still rely on the tea time news for their updates on what's happened.

[Onceinawhile]

A lot of people still rely on the tea time news for their updates on what's happened.

How many people don't have the Internet? The same people who watch Tommy Robinson videos online can't access Google? Or the BBC?

That seems... Odd.

Also, the BBC can't report on every criminal case at 6 o clock. How long would the news last?

[Killiehibbie]

How many people don't have the Internet? The same people who watch Tommy Robinson videos online can't access Google? Or the BBC?

That seems... Odd.

Also, the BBC can't report on every criminal case at 6 o clock. How long would the news last?

I know people who can't be bothered, don't have the time and loads of other reasons for not reading online news. The country is full of them.

[Onceinawhile]

I know people who can't be bothered, don't have the time and loads of other reasons for not reading online news. The country is full of them.

So how do they get the latest from yaxley-lennon?

[Killiehibbie]

So how do they get the latest from yaxley-lennon?
Who knows, maybe from looking at facebook when watching Jeremy Kyle.

[wpj]

Kicked off in Cambridge today, free TR coinciding with Milwall playing Cambridge. Was at the station with my wee girl earlier and the police advised us to get on the train even though I had no ticket, the next train from London was apparently heaving with them.

[Pete]

One thing I'm finding frightening is the amount of people I know who have turned into right wing intolerants via social media.

They're normally guys from a working class background who have served their time, scraped into what they perceive to be middle class and it's like they are pulling up all the drawbridges.

"This is my lot, I've worked hard to get here and socialists are wanting to take it all away. Not being hard enough on immigration means support for Islam which isn't good. After looking at Tommy Robinson and his plight I think that everything British is good and if you don't think like I do then you are unpatriotic".

Personally, I have no time for Islam as I think it's a lot of nonsense but the targeted hatred is getting out of hand. I'm hoping that it's just my circle of "friends" but it seems like it's everywhere now.

[Slavers]

One thing I'm finding frightening is the amount of people I know who have turned into right wing intolerants via social media.

They're normally guys from a working class background who have served their time, scraped into what they perceive to be middle class and it's like they are pulling up all the drawbridges.

"This is my lot, I've worked hard to get here and socialists are wanting to take it all away. Not being hard enough on immigration means support for Islam which isn't good. After looking at Tommy Robinson and his plight I think that everything British is good and if you don't think like I do then you are unpatriotic".

Personally, I have no time for Islam as I think it's a lot of nonsense but the targeted hatred is getting out of hand. I'm hoping that it's just my circle of "friends" but it seems like it's everywhere now.

This is an interesting post and one that resonates in the current social environment.

I think some of what you observe is a reaction to the constant left wing (London Bubble) narrative that currently dominates the main stream media outlets. Social media and YouTube is pretty much the only place where you will find any kind of 'right wing' discussion going without the presenters or commentators shouting it down and labeling it the far right.

From that point you then you get people like Tommy Robinson stepping in to fill in that gap of discussion. I think Tommy Robinson is a Zionist shill put in place and given a platform to scapegoat Islam and keep the people's eyes away from Israel's involvement with mass immigration into Europe from the middle east and north africa.

The average working class man see's no benefit to his environment from mass immigration, he see's crime going up, towns and cities being segregated along ethic lines, demographic of city's and towns changing rapidly and the resulting white flight from these areas. A lot of the working class peoples experience of mass immigration are far removed from the Liberal elites of London and its not often a positive experience. So they take to social media to complain.

It works both ways though, people on the far left will chant slogans such as i love refugees. Well how can you love refugees? They are not all the same, not one big block of people who think and act the same way. There are good and bad in all groups of people and saying i love all or i hate all is no good.

And i think that is the problem, a disconnect between ideology and reality from both sides.

[Chic Murray]

This is an interesting post and one that resonates in the current social environment.

I think some of what you observe is a reaction to the constant left wing (London Bubble) narrative that currently dominates the main stream media outlets. Social media and YouTube is pretty much the only place where you will find any kind of 'right wing' discussion going without the presenters or commentators shouting it down and labeling it the far right.

From that point you then you get people like Tommy Robinson stepping in to fill in that gap of discussion. I think Tommy Robinson is a Zionist shill put in place and given a platform to scapegoat Islam and keep the people's eyes away from Israel's involvement with mass immigration into Europe from the middle east and north africa.

The average working class man see's no benefit to his environment from mass immigration, he see's crime going up, towns and cities being segregated along ethic lines, demographic of city's and towns changing rapidly and the resulting white flight from these areas. A lot of the working class peoples experience of mass immigration are far removed from the Liberal elites of London and its not often a positive experience. So they take to social media to complain.

It works both ways though, people on the far left will chant slogans such as i love refugees. Well how can you love refugees? They are not all the same, not one big block of people who think and act the same way. There are good and bad in all groups of people and saying i love all or i hate all is no good.

And i think that is the problem, a disconnect between ideology and reality from both sides.

Sorry, I'm a bit thick and I've always found it hard to work out who the Liberal Elite in London actually is. Does it include elitists like Piers Morgan, and Jacob Rees - Mogg, for example.

Could you help me out by giving me an idea what the term actually means.

[Slavers]

Sorry, I'm a bit thick and I've always found it hard to work out who the Liberal Elite in London actually is. Does it include elitists like Piers Morgan, and Jacob Rees - Mogg, for example.

Could you help me out by giving me an idea what the term actually means.

Sorry it is a bit vague. Id say the BBC, Channel 4, The lefty champagne socialists, Lily-Allen, Bob Geldoff & pretty much most TV presenters.

[Chic Murray]

Sorry it is a bit vague. Id say the BBC, Channel 4, The lefty champagne socialists, Lily-Allen, Bob Geldoff & pretty much most TV presenters.

I'm sorry it's a bit vague too, because that could include just about anybody you don't like.

But, if I avoid those guys, I'll be OK, I take it?

Here's another one I struggle with.

Who is the "average working man" and how would I recognise him in the street?

[bigwheel]

One thing I'm finding frightening is the amount of people I know who have turned into right wing intolerants via social media.

They're normally guys from a working class background who have served their time, scraped into what they perceive to be middle class and it's like they are pulling up all the drawbridges.

"This is my lot, I've worked hard to get here and socialists are wanting to take it all away. Not being hard enough on immigration means support for Islam which isn't good. After looking at Tommy Robinson and his plight I think that everything British is good and if you don't think like I do then you are unpatriotic".

Personally, I have no time for Islam as I think it's a lot of nonsense but the targeted hatred is getting out of hand. I'm hoping that it's just my circle of "friends" but it seems like it's everywhere now.


I agree about your targeted hatred point...on all sides tbh...

This comment on Islam stands out given the rest of your post. Islam is a religion. Is there a slight danger this is a similar option to those you are posting about? intolerant of a faith, rather than those who support extremist views or acts?