8th Amendment

[Dalianwanda]

Such a nerve wracking day tmrw in Ireland. Vote to remove the 8th amendment from the constitution equal right to life for unborn and mother).

I’ve been manning campaign stalls to say yes to removing (pro choice) but no idea if it’s going to go through. Been a horrible campaign with the No side getting pretty nasty. Obviously the having the backing of the Catholic Church who don’t have the best record with babies or single mums. The hypocrisy is unreal.

At the moment if there’s a sign of heartbeat a women can’t receive cancer treatment, they have to carry full term even with fatal fetal abnormalities, victims of rape, incest....If this one amendment doesn’t go nothing can change & women can be jailed for 14 years for abortion in ireland..

The stories i’ve heard from so many have been heartbreaking.

[danhibees1875]

Good luck. :aok:

I have had the odd bit of vote No media pop up on my Facebook feed recently but hadn't looked into it much - didn't realise it was so soon.

For a variety of reasons, I'm pro choice. Have there been many opinion polls taken/does it look tight at the moment?

[JeMeSouviens]

I never really know where I am on abortion but the idea that the foetus and mother have equal status seems utterly stupid.

[Dalianwanda]

No one is ‘pro abortion’ it’s not something that anyone wants but in certain cases it’s needed.

Around 3000 women a year travel to uk for one 2/3 a day buy online abortion pills. Irish healthcare professionals can’t do or say anything.

I don’t see this as a vote on abortion (that’s still going to happen). It’s about making it safe and legal or unsafe and illegal making the women in Ireland 2nd class citizens with no say on what they feel is best for them.

I’m in a rural area where the church still has loads of say. Hopefully those 125k coming back to vote and the cities can see it through.

[Dalianwanda]

Good luck. :aok:

I have had the odd bit of vote No media pop up on my Facebook feed recently but hadn't looked into it much - didn't realise it was so soon.

For a variety of reasons, I'm pro choice. Have there been many opinion polls taken/does it look tight at the moment?

Thanks. I’m witnessing the vote tally on saturday. Gonna be a tense affair!

[Dalianwanda]

I never really know where I am on abortion but the idea that the foetus and mother have equal status seems utterly stupid.

That one line effects so many things. It has really opened my eyes. As soon as a heartbeat is located, equal status is granted.

[Sir David Gray]

Broadly speaking I take a fairly negative view of abortion however it cannot be right that a country bans abortion in cases of rape or incest or cases where the baby will not survive past birth. I think that is a totally ridiculous position to take and I think it's quite possible to find a happy medium between the status quo in Ireland and a complete legalisation of abortion.

It's obviously up to the people of Ireland to decide but that would be my take on the issue.

[Dalianwanda]

Broadly speaking I take a fairly negative view of abortion however it cannot be right that a country bans abortion in cases of rape or incest or cases where the baby will not survive past birth. I think that is a totally ridiculous position to take and I think it's quite possible to find a happy medium between the status quo in Ireland and a complete legalisation of abortion.

It's obviously up to the people of Ireland to decide but that would be my take on the issue.

Thats the problem the 8th reads 'The State acknowledges the right to life of the unborn and, with due regard to the equal right to life of the mother, guarantees in its laws to respect, and, as far as practicable, by its laws to defend and vindicate that right.'

It can only be removed through a refurendum vote. Its that restrictive its not legally possible to do a 'happy medium'. There can be changes to whats allowed and not allowed after its gone but at the moment unborn & mother are equal.

[Sir David Gray]

Thats the problem the 8th reads 'The State acknowledges the right to life of the unborn and, with due regard to the equal right to life of the mother, guarantees in its laws to respect, and, as far as practicable, by its laws to defend and vindicate that right.'

It can only be removed through a refurendum vote. Its that restrictive its not legally possible to do a 'happy medium'. There can be changes to whats allowed and not allowed after its gone but at the moment unborn & mother are equal.

I understand what you're saying but I just think that with this referendum, should the Yes vote win and abortion is legalised, it's unlikely that it will be revisited and any restrictions placed on it in the future.

[Dalianwanda]

I understand what you're saying but I just think that with this referendum, should the Yes vote win and abortion is legalised, it's unlikely that it will be revisited and any restrictions placed on it in the future.

I understand you but the No vote means stay as it is. it’s been this way for the last 35 years. Women have died, women have been ostriicised, women have felt shame and second class citizens.

If a women is raped gets pregnant and aborts her sentence is potentially higher than that of the rapist.

If the church/pro life hadn’t pushed for such a strong amendment to be included in the first place there was a chance of adaptions. It’s a ***** state of affairs. But yes is the only option if any kind of change can happen. The no side are now saying it’s too far and let’s look at compromise. There can be no compromise without losing the amendment. Has the bang of devomax about it.

[ronaldo7]

I understand you but the No vote means stay as it is. it’s been this way for the last 35 years. Women have died, women have been ostriicised, women have felt shame and second class citizens.

If a women is raped gets pregnant and aborts her sentence is potentially higher than that of the rapist.

If the church/pro life hadn’t pushed for such a strong amendment to be included in the first place there was a chance of adaptions. It’s a ***** state of affairs. But yes is the only option if any kind of change can happen. The no side are now saying it’s too far and let’s look at compromise. There can be no compromise without losing the amendment. Has the bang of devomax about it.

Good luck today, J. Lots of ladies are on the march back home to vote.

[Jay]

I understand what you're saying but I just think that with this referendum, should the Yes vote win and abortion is legalised, it's unlikely that it will be revisited and any restrictions placed on it in the future.

What restrictions would you like put on it? I think the obvious one is how many weeks pregnant the woman is.

[Dalianwanda]

Good luck today, J. Lots of ladies are on the march back home to vote.

Thanks so much. It’s been such an emotive emotional few weeks in the run up. Couldn’t help shed a tear seeing all those coming back through arrivals.

I’m witnessing the tally tmrw. Gonna have to meditate like **** to keep emotions in check. Ironically it’s being held in an old church!?

[superbam]

Thanks so much. It’s been such an emotive emotional few weeks in the run up. Couldn’t help shed a tear seeing all those coming back through arrivals.

I’m witnessing the tally tmrw. Gonna have to meditate like **** to keep emotions in check. Ironically it’s being held in an old church!?

Been campaigning for Yes in Dublin and although, from the neighborhoods ive covered at least, there is a majority that are inclined to repeal, there are a lot of folk, particularly younger men, who want repeal but dont seem to think its their concern to actually vote. A little concerned about that, despite the generally favourable polling.

[Sir David Gray]

What restrictions would you like put on it? I think the obvious one is how many weeks pregnant the woman is.

As a disabled person, I am extremely concerned about the availability of abortion in cases where the baby is going to be born with a disability. Under UK law there is no clarity on this other than to say that it allows for an abortion to be performed when the baby will be born with a "serious condition". Clearly that definition is very ambiguous to say the least.

I am not comfortable with a blanket ban on abortion as I have already said. The fact that Ireland forbids women who have become pregnant as a result of being raped, for example, from having an abortion is clearly unacceptable and I would think that most right minded people would agree with that.

However I am equally uncomfortable with the idea that legalising abortion is automatically a sign of a society becoming more progressive and liberal and is assumed to be a move forward. In some ways I think it could be viewed as the opposite.

I think a lot more effort should be put into sex education and teaching people from a young age about taking personal responsibility for their sexual behaviour and taking precautions. Yes mistakes do happen and it isn't a guaranteed approach to avoiding an unwanted pregnancy but I think that's where the time and money should be focussed on, rather than just opening up abortions to everyone.

[IGRIGI]

I think there has to be give and take from both sides. I agree with the right to abortion in certain situations like rape and incest for example and only up to a certain number of weeks however I wouldnt want it to become a method of birth control.

I think at a certain point the state needs to step in with protection for the unborn life that is defenseless.

[Dalianwanda]

[QUOTE=IGRIGI;5414390]I think there has to be give and take from both sides. I agree with the right to abortion in certain situations like rape and incest for example and only up to a certain number of weeks however I wouldnt want it to become a method of birth control.

I think at a certain point the state needs to step in with protection for the unborn life that is defenseless.

Do you honestly think a women would willingly use abortion as birth control? The state has stepped in with help of so many experts to say 12 weeks is the maximum.

The majority of abortions come from failed contraception.

[Dalianwanda]

As a disabled person, I am extremely concerned about the availability of abortion in cases where the baby is going to be born with a disability. Under UK law there is no clarity on this other than to say that it allows for an abortion to be performed when the baby will be born with a "serious condition". Clearly that definition is very ambiguous to say the least.

I am not comfortable with a blanket ban on abortion as I have already said. The fact that Ireland forbids women who have become pregnant as a result of being raped, for example, from having an abortion is clearly unacceptable and I would think that most right minded people would agree with that.

However I am equally uncomfortable with the idea that legalising abortion is automatically a sign of a society becoming more progressive and liberal and is assumed to be a move forward. In some ways I think it could be viewed as the opposite.

I think a lot more effort should be put into sex education and teaching people from a young age about taking personal responsibility for their sexual behaviour and taking precautions. Yes mistakes do happen and it isn't a guaranteed approach to avoiding an unwanted pregnancy but I think that's where the time and money should be focussed on, rather than just opening up abortions to everyone.

I’ll agree with you that there needs to be a greater emphasis on sex education. In ireland it’s practically non existent.

Again without removing the 8th doesn’t matter what changes people think are right and wrong. Nothing can change.

[Dalianwanda]

Been campaigning for Yes in Dublin and although, from the neighborhoods ive covered at least, there is a majority that are inclined to repeal, there are a lot of folk, particularly younger men, who want repeal but dont seem to think its their concern to actually vote. A little concerned about that, despite the generally favourable polling.

Yeah similar here...I did a video the other day to try and knock heads together on that point. Was out at stall today and have to say all very positive. Most positive day since i started.

[stoneyburn hibs]

It's looking like pro, Ireland may be about to move into the 21st century.

[Colr]

It's looking like pro, Ireland may be about to move into the 21st century.

Whilst England is moving back to the 18th Century!

Positive result, I think for Ireland. Makes NI the most backwards place in Europe.

[CropleyWasGod]

Lovely Tweet that says so much....

Just a reminder to all those who did vote No, nothing has changed for you. Nothing. Not. A. Thing. You can still believe in the same things. You can still proceed in the same way. All that has changed is that others now have a choice. It’s all we wanted x

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[Dalianwanda]

Lovely Tweet that says so much....

Just a reminder to all those who did vote No, nothing has changed for you. Nothing. Not. A. Thing. You can still believe in the same things. You can still proceed in the same way. All that has changed is that others now have a choice. It’s all we wanted x

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Just back from tallying the counts..What an amazing day for the people of Ireland in so many ways.

That’s a wonderful quote...I’m in Sligo linked heavily with WB Yates. In 1925 he said “I have said that this is a tolerant country. I have no doubt whatever that, when the iceberg melts it will become an exceedingly tolerant country.”

It’s melted.

[Swedish hibee]

Is there access to free protection (the coil, implant etc) for women in Ireland or is that just UK?

[Dalianwanda]

Is there access to free protection (the coil, implant etc) for women in Ireland or is that just UK?

nope...At least €50 for a GP visit to start. Extremely low income may get medical card but coil not covered.

[heretoday]

It's one in the eye for the church.