The reaal news of what is happening regarding the possibile ramping up for WW3

[andybev1]

This is from an independent journalist instead of the department of propaganda otherwise known as the BBC... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8HRcISVwYM

[Beefster]

If you take your news from conspiracy theorists on YouTube then you’ve taken a wrong turn somewhere.

[Curried]

If you take your news from conspiracy theorists on YouTube then you’ve taken a wrong turn somewhere.

I wonder if this this BBC interview recorded yesterday (10th April 2018) by the UK’s Fmr. Ambassador to Syria Peter Ford is more reflective of the truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j_Z1f84Ps8&app=desktop

[andybev1]

If you take your news from conspiracy theorists on YouTube then you’ve taken a wrong turn somewhere.

Where is the proof that he is as you say - it is so easy to come out with that and it is not the first time I have heard you dismiss people like that. Did I not hear you call people that think 9/11 was a false flag as wearing tinfoil hats - if so then that is where the conversation ends.

[andybev1]

I wonder if this this BBC interview recorded yesterday (10th April 2018) by the UK’s Fmr. Ambassador to Syria Peter Ford is more reflective of the truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j_Z1f84Ps8&app=desktop

He (the ambassador) is saying the same as the person I put up (Jake Morphoneos - A guy I do not have too much in common politically with but he is an honest guy and a bloody good journalist. He used to work for finanace companies on finaincial cr) If you check you will see that they cover the same ground with the same conclusions. The reporter tries to slide in a bit about Asad being guilty but the Ambassador puts him straight.

The problem for me is that just like before with weapons of mass destruction and the last chemical hoax in Syria, the BBC tends to repeat these things (lies) which is definately working for the people trying to start a war - look where that got us in Iraq with the lies toild.

Anyway, I am going to leave it for people who like a bit of critical thinking, then they can make their own minds up. Not people who go about talking nonesense about tinfoil hats and consipiracy theories before they even check things out - just let the government tell then what is what.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Where did you source "real" news from before the invention of the internet?

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Where did you source "real" news from before the invention of the internet?

David Icke? The x-files? Ripley's Believe it or not?

[easty]

Did I not hear you call people that think 9/11 was a false flag as wearing tinfoil hats - if so then that is where the conversation ends.

That would be a fair point though :rolleyes:

[easty]

He is staying the same as the person I put up so just the same, not more reflective. The problem for me is that just like before with weapons of mass destruction and the last chemical hoax in Syria, the BBC tends to repeat these things which is definately working for the people trying to start a war - look where that got us in Iraq with the lies toild.

Anyway, I am going to leave it for people who want to hear the truth and not muppets who go about talking nonesense about tinfoinl hats and consipiracy theories before they even check things out - just let the government tell then what is what. Then they can make their own minds up.

Ehhhh.....you were the one who brought tinfoil hats up though

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

That would be a fair point though :rolleyes:

Clearly not. It was 'them' who did it. 'They' do a lot of things, you know.

[HappyAsHellas]

I didn't watch all of the first video, but both are asking the same question - why would Assad do this? It makes no military sense whatsoever unless you are directly fighting his forces. It would seem to raise the other question which is as the second interview from the BBC is airing the same conclusions, perhaps it's not quite the propaganda led institution you would have us believe?

[Curried]

[QUOTE=andybev1;5367830]He (the ambassador) is saying the same as the person I put up (Jake Morphoneos - A guy I do not have too much in common politically with but he is an honest guy and a bloody good journalist. He used to work for finanace companies on finaincial cr) If you check you will see that they cover the same ground with the same conclusions. The reporter tries to slide in a bit about Asad being guilty but the Ambassador puts him straight. :agree:

[One Day Soon]

I'm confused about the menu of options we now seem to have available to choose from:

1. It never happened.
2. It happened but someone else did it.
3. It never happened and Russian forces can take you to where it never happened.
4. It happened but we can't have a UN Security Council backed investigation unless that investigation is allowed to both investigate and apportion responsibility (the US position).
5. It did not happen but we can't have a UN Security Council backed investigation unless that investigation is allowed to investigate but not allowed to apportion responsibility, because apportioning responsibility is the job of the UN Security Council in which Russia can exercise a veto over who is to blame (the Russian position).
6. This alleged chemical bombing didn't happen and neither did any of the previous ones.
7. This false claim of a chemical attack is just a pretext to start World War III. The US and its allies have been waiting for this chance/have deliberately engineered this chance by making it up/ have deliberately engineered this chance by planning and executing it as a false flag operation.

This is because there have been no other opportunities or pretexts available whatsoever for doing this during the previous seven years of the Syrian civil war - for example at the point of all the other 'false flag' chemical incidents - or indeed during any of the other theatres of conflict which have been ongoing for a number of years.

8. It's an excuse for Trump to attack/invade. The same isolationist Trump who wants US protective trade tarrifs, a wall with Mexico, less US commitment to NATO and who thinks US involvement in Iraq was bad for US self-interest.
9. It's a New World Order conspiracy.
10. George Soros is behind it.
11. It's a neoliberal conspiracy.
12. It's all the jews/Israel.
13. It's a Luciferian conspiracy.

But whatever it is, it's definitely not a bloodthirsty murderer slaughtering his own people with chemical weapons on the Saturday after negotiations with his opponents stalled on the Friday. There's absolutely no reason why this man who has done this more than once before would order such a thing. It's not as if he's desperate to end the overt war part of the conflict - using chemical weapons to demonstrate ruthless determination to 'encourage the others' as gets on with the death squads, repression and torture that will inevitably follow as he tries to re-assert control throughout Syria.

[Slavers]

I'm confused about the menu of options we now seem to have available to choose from:

1. It never happened.
2. It happened but someone else did it.
3. It never happened and Russian forces can take you to where it never happened.
4. It happened but we can't have a UN Security Council backed investigation unless that investigation is allowed to both investigate and apportion responsibility (the US position).
5. It did not happen but we can't have a UN Security Council backed investigation unless that investigation is allowed to investigate but not allowed to apportion responsibility, because apportioning responsibility is the job of the UN Security Council in which Russia can exercise a veto over who is to blame (the Russian position).
6. This alleged chemical bombing didn't happen and neither did any of the previous ones.
7. This false claim of a chemical attack is just a pretext to start World War III. The US and its allies have been waiting for this chance/have deliberately engineered this chance by making it up/ have deliberately engineered this chance by planning and executing it as a false flag operation.

This is because there have been no other opportunities or pretexts available whatsoever for doing this during the previous seven years of the Syrian civil war - for example at the point of all the other 'false flag' chemical incidents - or indeed during any of the other theatres of conflict which have been ongoing for a number of years.

8. It's an excuse for Trump to attack/invade. The same isolationist Trump who wants US protective trade tarrifs, a wall with Mexico, less US commitment to NATO and who thinks US involvement in Iraq was bad for US self-interest.
9. It's a New World Order conspiracy.
10. George Soros is behind it.
11. It's a neoliberal conspiracy.
12. It's all the jews/Israel.
13. It's a Luciferian conspiracy.

But whatever it is, it's definitely not a bloodthirsty murderer slaughtering his own people with chemical weapons on the Saturday after negotiations with his opponents stalled on the Friday. There's absolutely no reason why this man who has done this more than once before would order such a thing. It's not as if he's desperate to end the overt war part of the conflict - using chemical weapons to demonstrate ruthless determination to 'encourage the others' as gets on with the death squads, repression and torture that will inevitably follow as he tries to re-assert control throughout Syria.

13. Luciferian Conspiracy is real! If you don't believe that high powers In the world follow the doctrine of Lucifer then I feel for you.

But putting that to side for a second.

You did not mention that a previous chemical attack blamed on Assad turned out to be an chemical attack that was done by Western backed 'rebels'.

One of the big lies is there are rebels in Syria, the 'rebel fighters fighting Assad are Western backed foreign mercenaries.

[One Day Soon]

13. Luciferian Conspiracy is real! If you don't believe that high powers In the world follow the doctrine of Lucifer then I feel for you.

But putting that to side for a second.

You did not mention that a previous chemical attack blamed on Assad turned out to be an chemical attack that was done by Western backed 'rebels'.

One of the big lies is there are rebels in Syria, the 'rebel fighters fighting Assad are Western backed foreign mercenaries.


I know its not universally accepted on here but, oh my days.

[IGRIGI]

Russia said it would shoot down any missile fired at Syria, Trump just told them to get ready for new shiny ones.

LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLEEEEEE!!!!

On a more serious note what really angers me is we saw nothing when ISIS was doing whatever it wanted across Syria and Iraq.

Unspeakable acts were being carried out and the US and Turkey sat with their thumbs up their arse watching on.

Changed days now.

[makaveli1875]

here is trumps tweet

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/874276197357596672/kUuht00m_normal.jpg (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/984022625440747520)

Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and “smart!” You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!
11:57 - 11 Nis 2018 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/984022625440747520)

[One Day Soon]

here is trumps tweet

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/874276197357596672/kUuht00m_normal.jpg (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and “smart!” You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!
11:57 - 11 Nis 2018 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/984022625440747520)




Someone needs to take that idiot's phone away from him.

[Lendo]

here is trumps tweet

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/874276197357596672/kUuht00m_normal.jpg (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and “smart!” You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!
11:57 - 11 Nis 2018 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/984022625440747520)



Please, please, please let this be "fake news". This can't be real.

[Beefster]

Did I not hear you call people that think 9/11 was a false flag as wearing tinfoil hats - if so then that is where the conversation ends.

I'll be honest - that sounds like something I'd say.

In a friendlier tone, I'd ask that you consider reading 'Voodoo Histories' by David Aaronovitch.

[Beefster]

13. Luciferian Conspiracy is real! If you don't believe that high powers In the world follow the doctrine of Lucifer then I feel for you.

Evidence please.

[The_Exile]

Guess what guys, it's time to embrace the horror! Look, we've got front row tickets to the end of the earth. (Rockhound, Armageddon)

[RyeSloan]

Evidence please.

I think you will find the answer in the CERN logo..

[One Day Soon]

I think you will find the answer in the CERN logo..


:shocked:

[SRHibs]

here is trumps tweet

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/874276197357596672/kUuht00m_normal.jpg (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/984022625440747520)

Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and “smart!” You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!
11:57 - 11 Nis 2018 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/984022625440747520)



Jesus Christ.

[Hibee87]

This is interesting. Trump WILL fire missiles, I have no doubts based on his latrst tweet, maybe even as soon as the next 24-48 hours. Will Russia shoot them down? and if so, what will Trumps/'Allies' response be? It seems to me you have 2 children who will refuse to back down by all accounts.
WW3 is always being banded about and the end of times over Nuclear war etc which benefits no one as we all know, but really WTF is going to happen when that first Missile is launched, and even 1 of them shot down? Would the USA declare a war on Russia? its effing mental state of affairs in 2018

[IGRIGI]

Trump could be looking for a Thatcher Falklands moment to sway the midterms in his favour.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

This is interesting. Trump WILL fire missiles, I have no doubts based on his latrst tweet, maybe even as soon as the next 24-48 hours. Will Russia shoot them down? and if so, what will Trumps/'Allies' response be? It seems to me you have 2 children who will refuse to back down by all accounts.
WW3 is always being banded about and the end of times over Nuclear war etc which benefits no one as we all know, but really WTF is going to happen when that first Missile is launched, and even 1 of them shot down? Would the USA declare a war on Russia? its effing mental state of affairs in 2018

Maybe im being hopelessly optimistic, but i think even if we got to the stage of an open conflict, ot would be contained regionally in and aroubd syria. But i really hope we dont get to that stage.

Mu guess is the US will hammer syrian airfields, the syrian airforce has apparently already largely moved to russian airfields so they can live with that, the russians will have advance warning, and eveyone can claim they won.

I think if the russians did manage to shoot down a few missiles, nobody would be too concerned. The risk of escalation would be if the russians followdd through on their threat to retaliate against launch platforms- i think if russia attacked the US navy, the US would have to respond in kind and attack (and probably sink) a russian ship in response.

[Slavers]

Evidence please.

Jimmy Saville and his connections to the royal families and political elites.

[Slavers]

I know its not universally accepted on here but, oh my days.

What's your concerns?

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Jimmy Saville and his connections to the royal families and political elites.

WTF has jimmy saville got to do with the prospect of an imminent WW3??!

[One Day Soon]

What's your concerns?


Oh I'd say my concern is mainly, but not exclusively, this:

13. Luciferian Conspiracy is real! If you don't believe that high powers In the world follow the doctrine of Lucifer then I feel for you.

But putting that to side for a second.


Though I do the like the whole "But putting that to side for a second."

[Glory Lurker]

WTF has jimmy saville got to do with the prospect of an imminent WW3??!

I think this is the most wonderful comment I have ever seen on dot net.

[Slavers]

WTF has jimmy saville got to do with the prospect of an imminent WW3??!

How do you think politicians and high profile people are controlled? Jimmy Fixed it for them and it's all recorded and used as blackmail.

An element of the satanic world control structure.

In regards to WW3 this is also what the Satanists want as they glory in death.

After the WW3 the next anti Christ will 'rescue' the world.

[overdrive]

How do you think politicians and high profile people are controlled? Jimmy Fixed it for them and it's all recorded and used as blackmail.

An element of the satanic world control structure.

In regards to WW3 this is also what the Satanists want as they glory in death.

After the WW3 the next anti Christ will 'rescue' the world.

Favourite thread ever.

[Hibee87]

How do you think politicians and high profile people are controlled? Jimmy Fixed it for them and it's all recorded and used as blackmail.

An element of the satanic world control structure.

In regards to WW3 this is also what the Satanists want as they glory in death.

After the WW3 the next anti Christ will 'rescue' the world.

Where can I pick up what your smoking mate?

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

I think this is the most wonderful comment I have ever seen on dot net.

😂

I enjoyed the 'put that to one side for the moment' comment myself!

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

How do you think politicians and high profile people are controlled? Jimmy Fixed it for them and it's all recorded and used as blackmail.

An element of the satanic world control structure.

In regards to WW3 this is also what the Satanists want as they glory in death.

After the WW3 the next anti Christ will 'rescue' the world.

You are definitely at it - i dont believe for a minute that you believe any of that...

[CropleyWasGod]

How do you think politicians and high profile people are controlled? Jimmy Fixed it for them and it's all recorded and used as blackmail.

An element of the satanic world control structure.

In regards to WW3 this is also what the Satanists want as they glory in death.

After the WW3 the next anti Christ will 'rescue' the world.When does Charlie Manson get out?

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[Slavers]

You are definitely at it - i dont believe for a minute that you believe any of that...

Your an intelligent man, I await your explanation on why the world leaders are throwing up the Baphomet like a gang sign?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1707&bih=819&ei=KAbOWsjLEcL-swHyibGwDA&q=world+leaders+baphomet+sign&oq=world+leaders+baphomet+sign&gs_l=img.3...1325.9509.0.10003.33.27.0.5.0.0.510.3 203.1j12j1j2j0j1.17.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..11.16.2 978.0..0j35i39k1j0i8i30k1.0.6opvBbPAJa4

Further more the 666 logos.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&biw=1707&bih=819&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=MgbOWo7UK-vLgAb23qvIAw&q=666+logos&oq=666+logos&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l2j0i5i30k1j0i8i30k1l5.205946.210152.0.2104 04.13.11.1.0.0.0.350.1659.0j2j4j1.7.0....0...1c.1. 64.psy-ab..5.8.1734...0i67k1j0i10i24k1j0i13k1j0i13i5i30k1 .0.48-ktTaYSho

[stantonhibby]

How do you think politicians and high profile people are controlled? Jimmy Fixed it for them and it's all recorded and used as blackmail.

An element of the satanic world control structure.

In regards to WW3 this is also what the Satanists want as they glory in death.

After the WW3 the next anti Christ will 'rescue' the world.


Is this why the post-split fixtures aren't out yet ?

[Tobias Funke]

Your an intelligent man, I await your explanation on why the world leaders are throwing up the Baphomet like a gang sign?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1707&bih=819&ei=KAbOWsjLEcL-swHyibGwDA&q=world+leaders+baphomet+sign&oq=world+leaders+baphomet+sign&gs_l=img.3...1325.9509.0.10003.33.27.0.5.0.0.510.3 203.1j12j1j2j0j1.17.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..11.16.2 978.0..0j35i39k1j0i8i30k1.0.6opvBbPAJa4

Further more the 666 logos.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&biw=1707&bih=819&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=MgbOWo7UK-vLgAb23qvIAw&q=666+logos&oq=666+logos&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l2j0i5i30k1j0i8i30k1l5.205946.210152.0.2104 04.13.11.1.0.0.0.350.1659.0j2j4j1.7.0....0...1c.1. 64.psy-ab..5.8.1734...0i67k1j0i10i24k1j0i13k1j0i13i5i30k1 .0.48-ktTaYSho

You sir are a weapons grade ******ing whackjob. Absolutely no doubt about it.

[Slavers]

You sir are a weapons grade ******ing whackjob. Absolutely no doubt about it.

Play the ball not the man please.

[SRHibs]

You sir are a weapons grade ******ing whackjob. Absolutely no doubt about it.

I’m pretty sure, given the nature of the thread, he’s poking fun at OP and other conspairacy theorists. I hope so anyway!

EDIT: I just had a glance at his history, I take it back.

[SRHibs]

Play the ball not the man please.

The burden of proof is always on the conspiracy theorist with claims as insane as this.

And a picture of a few logos doesn’t constitute proof of anything.

[Tobias Funke]

Play the ball not the man please.

In this instance I will play the man. You need to stop believing in this nonsense, and it is just that....nonsense.

[Tobias Funke]

The burden of proof is always on the conspiracy theorist with claims as insane as this.

And a picture of a few logos doesn’t constitute proof of anything.

Precisely.

[One Day Soon]

Precisely.

Or does it...?

[Pete]

Conclusive proof that some world leaders rock!

[Slavers]

Precisely.

It proves there is a 666 reference in their logo's surely?

Why only comment only on the Logo's? Care to explain why world leaders are throwing up the Baphomet like a gang sign?

[CropleyWasGod]

The burden of proof is always on the conspiracy theorist with claims as insane as this.

And a picture of a few logos doesn’t constitute proof of anything.Did you just say Lego's?

Great Scott!!!

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[McSwanky]

Your an intelligent man, I await your explanation on why the world leaders are throwing up the Baphomet like a gang sign?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1707&bih=819&ei=KAbOWsjLEcL-swHyibGwDA&q=world+leaders+baphomet+sign&oq=world+leaders+baphomet+sign&gs_l=img.3...1325.9509.0.10003.33.27.0.5.0.0.510.3 203.1j12j1j2j0j1.17.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..11.16.2 978.0..0j35i39k1j0i8i30k1.0.6opvBbPAJa4

Further more the 666 logos.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&biw=1707&bih=819&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=MgbOWo7UK-vLgAb23qvIAw&q=666+logos&oq=666+logos&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l2j0i5i30k1j0i8i30k1l5.205946.210152.0.2104 04.13.11.1.0.0.0.350.1659.0j2j4j1.7.0....0...1c.1. 64.psy-ab..5.8.1734...0i67k1j0i10i24k1j0i13k1j0i13i5i30k1 .0.48-ktTaYSho

OK, I'll bite! Should be fun....

Why would they bother "throwing up the Baphomet" or creating a logo that surreptitiously hides three sixes? Do they want everyone to find out their dirty secret?

[CropleyWasGod]

Conclusive proof that some world leaders rock!Or that they believe in the power of the Clerrie Jungle.

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[SRHibs]

It proves there is a 666 reference in their logo's surely?

Why only comment only on the Logo's? Care to explain why world leaders are throwing up the Baphomet like a gang sign?

Care to explain why a super secret Satanist would so carelessly throw up the ‘Baphomet’ in public? Why would any secret organisation flaunt it so openly?

And no, it doesn’t prove there is a 666 reference. It proves that a small number of people are interpreting it as one.

[SRHibs]

OK, I'll bite! Should be fun....

Why would they bother "throwing up the Baphomet" or creating a logo that surreptitiously hides three sixes? Do they want everyone to find out their dirty secret?

Snap.

[Slavers]

OK, I'll bite! Should be fun....

Why would they bother "throwing up the Baphomet" or creating a logo that surreptitiously hides three sixes? Do they want everyone to find out their dirty secret?

It's a form of Occult magic! They show you what they do and therefore gives them the right to do it.

You will find it throughout the entertainment industry in the form of predictive programming - see the many 911 reference in films before the event.

Also it's a way of communicating to other Satanists that they serve Lucifer.

[SRHibs]

It's a form of Occult magic! They show you what they do and therefore gives them the right to do it.

You will find it throughout the entertainment industry in the form of predictive programming - see the many 911 reference in films before the event.

Ah, it’s magic! I’m sold now.

[McSwanky]

It's a form of Occult magic! They show you what they do and therefore gives them the right to do it.

You will find it throughout the entertainment industry in the form of predictive programming - see the many 911 reference in films before the event.

Of course! How could I be so stupid?

So why can I only see about 10 instances of world leaders 'throwing up the Baphomet' when your post suggests they are pretty much rubbing our noses in it?

And on the same note, why do Google, Disney etc go to such lengths to hide the sixes?

I'm sure you'll have an answer for those too, looking forward to it!

[McSwanky]

Some of these logos are brilliant, by the way!

How dare Heineken have 3 'e's in their name?
Who decided to split the alphabet into two 9s and an 8 to make the Fox logo fit? Why not split it into sixes? (Hint: the conspiracy doesn't work if you do)
Why did the National Lottery change their logo from one which tenuously had three 6s in it to one that most definitely doesn't?
Is it just me or does the Monster logo look more like a big 'M' rather than three sixes?

[One Day Soon]

It's a form of Occult magic! They show you what they do and therefore gives them the right to do it.

You will find it throughout the entertainment industry in the form of predictive programming - see the many 911 reference in films before the event.

Also it's a way of communicating to other Satanists that they serve Lucifer.

Couldn't they just use Twitter or Facebook like everyone else for that?

[One Day Soon]

It proves there is a 666 reference in their logo's surely?

Why only comment only on the Logo's? Care to explain why world leaders are throwing up the Baphomet like a gang sign?


It's also the Italian gesture for cornudo or cuckold. Maybe they're all Italian wife-swappers?

[Slavers]

Couldn't they just use Twitter or Facebook like everyone else for that?

How do you think the world would react to the knowledge that their idols are all blood thirsty Satanists? I suspect their Twitter accounts would be shut down quickly from public pressure.

[One Day Soon]

How do you think the world would react to the knowledge that their idols are all blood thirsty Satanists? I suspect their Twitter accounts would be shut down quickly from public pressure.

I just can't even...as my daughter would say.

[Slavers]

It's also the Italian gesture for cornudo or cuckold. Maybe they're all Italian wife-swappers?

Well the sanctimony of marriage before God is insulted through the cuckold relationship.

[Slavers]

I just can't even...as my daughter would say.

I just answered you rather silly question.

[Mr White]

I just answered you rather silly question.

Hopefully that's the last time this thread goes down the "rather silly" route :greengrin

[CapitalGreen]

20541

Wow! It checks out!

[McSwanky]

20541

Wow! It checks out!

Now that one I do agree with.

[snooky]

20541

Wow! It checks out!

I bet it was one of the Oz Hibbies who spotted that. :wink:

[Hibrandenburg]

Is this why the post-split fixtures aren't out yet ?

:faf:

[HappyAsHellas]

I thought the 666 reference was from people who had never read the bible or studied the cabalic reference therein to Emperor Nero.

Or am I taking this too seriously?

[Slavers]

I thought the 666 reference was from people who had never read the bible or studied the cabalic reference therein to Emperor Nero.

Or am I taking this too seriously?

More along the lines of the Saturn death cult and kabalistic cube worshiping.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Your an intelligent man, I await your explanation on why the world leaders are throwing up the Baphomet like a gang sign?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1707&bih=819&ei=KAbOWsjLEcL-swHyibGwDA&q=world+leaders+baphomet+sign&oq=world+leaders+baphomet+sign&gs_l=img.3...1325.9509.0.10003.33.27.0.5.0.0.510.3 203.1j12j1j2j0j1.17.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..11.16.2 978.0..0j35i39k1j0i8i30k1.0.6opvBbPAJa4

Further more the 666 logos.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&biw=1707&bih=819&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=MgbOWo7UK-vLgAb23qvIAw&q=666+logos&oq=666+logos&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l2j0i5i30k1j0i8i30k1l5.205946.210152.0.2104 04.13.11.1.0.0.0.350.1659.0j2j4j1.7.0....0...1c.1. 64.psy-ab..5.8.1734...0i67k1j0i10i24k1j0i13k1j0i13i5i30k1 .0.48-ktTaYSho

World leaders makinh weird signs... i would guess that there are pictures of many famous people making many weird signs - if you freeze frame something st just the right time.

As for the logos... so not only are the people that run these corporations secret satanists, but so are the lowly account managers and graphic designers at the dozens of marketing agencies who actually design the logos are in on it too. Must have been good to read the client briefs...

blah blah blah strong brand identity
Blah blah blah showcase our company's values
Blah blah blah be appealing to key target demographic
Blah blah blah must scretly incorporate three sixes

Would loved to have been in those meetings!

[Beefster]

Jimmy Saville and his connections to the royal families and political elites.

To be honest, I’m still a tad sceptical.

[Pretty Boy]

I miss when I just sat about all day smoking weed and reading ***** on the internet.

[McD]

How do you think the world would react to the knowledge that their idols are all blood thirsty Satanists? I suspect their Twitter accounts would be shut down quickly from public pressure.


Im interested to know, how do you function in such a corrupt, driven-by-dark-forces world?

surely you don’t buy into their global corporate world order? Or are you really just undercover, sharing the truth amongst the innocents plugged into the matrix?

[andybev1]

Ehhhh.....you were the one who brought tinfoil hats up though

No I did not, read what I said.

[andybev1]

Ok, I give up, the strength of your arguments have got me, you win I am convinced.:greengrin:cb:na na:

[Hiber-nation]

To be honest, I’m still a tad sceptical.

Maybe you should move to Home Team's planet. It must all make sense there.

[Slavers]

Im interested to know, how do you function in such a corrupt, driven-by-dark-forces world?

surely you don’t buy into their global corporate world order? Or are you really just undercover, sharing the truth amongst the innocents plugged into the matrix?

The rabbit hole is deep. It's not advisable to go seeking the devil as you will surely find him.

In reality it's not what I believe it is what they believe to be true. For example people believe in Christianity and others believe in the opposite of Christian beliefs. Unlucky for us it's the Satanists that have the power.

Even the bible says the kingdom of earth belongs to Satan.

As crazy as it all sounds it's true.

The only real debate that needs to be had on this topic is this. Is Putin down with the Satanists or is he making a stand against them? I'm not so sure on that one my gut tells me he is one of them but I hope not.

Another theory is that all this Satanist stuff is a smoke screen to throw everyone of the trail. Is it really just psychopathic ruling the world telling tales? Are we living in the end times? I'm not so sure it could all be designed to control your mind.

One thing is for sure is the elites believe in it.

[RyeSloan]

The rabbit hole is deep. It's not advisable to go seeking the devil as you will surely find him.

In reality it's not what I believe it is what they believe to be true. For example people believe in Christianity and others believe in the opposite of Christian beliefs. Unlucky for us it's the Satanists that have the power.

Even the bible says the kingdom of earth belongs to Satan.

As crazy as it all sounds it's true.

The only real debate that needs to be had on this topic is this. Is Putin down with the Satanists or is he making a stand against them? I'm not so sure on that one my gut tells me he is one of them but I hope not.

Another theory is that all this Satanist stuff is a smoke screen to throw everyone of the trail. Is it really just psychopathic ruling the world telling tales? Are we living in the end times? I'm not so sure it could all be designed to control your mind.

One thing is for sure is the elites believe in it.

Ahh man 10/10 for your posts on this thread...they brightened up a rather dull day.

Top work [emoji1303]

[SRHibs]

Hometeam’s match-day attire:

https://i2.wp.com/vickifitch.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Tinfoil-Suit-cropped.jpg

[jonty]

The rabbit hole is deep. It's not advisable to go seeking the devil as you will surely find him.

In reality it's not what I believe it is what they believe to be true. For example people believe in Christianity and others believe in the opposite of Christian beliefs. Unlucky for us it's the Satanists that have the power.

Even the bible says the kingdom of earth belongs to Satan.

As crazy as it all sounds it's true.

The only real debate that needs to be had on this topic is this. Is Putin down with the Satanists or is he making a stand against them? I'm not so sure on that one my gut tells me he is one of them but I hope not.

Another theory is that all this Satanist stuff is a smoke screen to throw everyone of the trail. Is it really just psychopathic ruling the world telling tales? Are we living in the end times? I'm not so sure it could all be designed to control your mind.

One thing is for sure is the elites believe in it.
So if I don't believe in god, but they do, they must be right?
And if its in the bible, well, that's it.

Can I throw my hat in the ring and pronounce myself the devil?
If I believe it, then it must be true......
(lets just say I'm not a believer)

[jonty]

btw, if you turn "since 1994" in "hibs.net since 1994", and squint a little at the 's' theres a 666
it must be true after all.

[Mr White]

BBC Radio 6 music is in on it too. The jingle in between shows has reverb on the "6" so it sounds like "666". Plus they play devilishly good tunes so it's pretty obvious really when you think about it.

[Slavers]

So if I don't believe in god, but they do, they must be right?
And if its in the bible, well, that's it.

Can I throw my hat in the ring and pronounce myself the devil?
If I believe it, then it must be true......
(lets just say I'm not a believer)

Well I think really if you wanted to go down that route of calling Yourself the devil then you'd be better going all the way in and become the next Alister Crowley.

Follow his path do his rituals and come back and post on your experiences.

[jonty]

Well I think really if you wanted to go down that route of calling Yourself the devil then you'd be better going all the way in and become the next Alister Crowley.

Follow his path do his rituals and come back and post on your experiences.

sounds like a plan. is neil Doncaster in cahoots with them too?

I hope you're taking this all with a pinch of salt (and in good spirits).:greengrin
Just in case you hadn't twigged I'm more than a touch sceptical.

[Mr White]

Well I think really if you wanted to go down that route of calling Yourself the devil then you'd be better going all the way in and become the next Alister Crowley.

Follow his path do his rituals and come back and post on your experiences.

Do you accept the possibility that everything you've posted might not be true?

[Slavers]

Do you accept the possibility that everything you've posted might not be true?

Of course I have hoped it was all alot of crap.

[Mr White]

Of course I have hoped it was all alot of crap.

Was there any one single moment or event that convinced you of this Luciferian conspiracy? Or was it more of a gradual realisation over a period of time?

[Slavers]

sounds like a plan. is neil Doncaster in cahoots with them too?

I hope you're taking this all with a pinch of salt (and in good spirits).:greengrin
Just in case you hadn't twigged I'm more than a touch sceptical.

Of course You got to laugh at it and keep the spirits up.

I have also thought that these people are conjuring up evil from within themselves and embracing it rather than it being an external higher power for the want of an better expression.

And on the other side Christianity for example could be bringing up the good nature of humans and living and embracing that.

[lapsedhibee]

see the many 911 reference in films before the event.


This bit is definitely true. There were loads of references to this in films before 2001. Almost all accompanied by someone making a phone call to emergency services of one sort or another. As if they knew in advance there was one day going to be a great disaster which would require ambulances, the fire department, etc.

[Hibrandenburg]

The rabbit hole is deep. It's not advisable to go seeking the devil as you will surely find him.

In reality it's not what I believe it is what they believe to be true. For example people believe in Christianity and others believe in the opposite of Christian beliefs. Unlucky for us it's the Satanists that have the power.

Even the bible says the kingdom of earth belongs to Satan.

As crazy as it all sounds it's true.

The only real debate that needs to be had on this topic is this. Is Putin down with the Satanists or is he making a stand against them? I'm not so sure on that one my gut tells me he is one of them but I hope not.

Another theory is that all this Satanist stuff is a smoke screen to throw everyone of the trail. Is it really just psychopathic ruling the world telling tales? Are we living in the end times? I'm not so sure it could all be designed to control your mind.

One thing is for sure is the elites believe in it.

Do you live in Falkirk?

[One Day Soon]

Do you live in Falkirk?

No one in Falkirk is truly alive. Their eyes move but that doesn't mean anything.

And then on .net there's this: :rockin: Luciferian-tastic.

[Slavers]

Do you live in Falkirk?

Too be honest I knew the devils minions would come after me after my expose of the satanic overlords.

Get behind me Satan I will not tell you where I stay.

[Hibrandenburg]

Too be honest I knew the devils minions would come after me after my expose of the satanic overlords.

Get behind me Satan I will not tell you where I stay.

Surrender to Lucifer's legions, hell can't be any worse than Falkirk.

[Hibrandenburg]

No one in Falkirk is truly alive. Their eyes move but that doesn't mean anything.

And then on .net there's this: :rockin: Luciferian-tastic.

I had a theory that Falkirk zombies could be eradicated by destroying the brain, bit like the walking dead. But then I thought Falkirk......brain.....?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I had a theory that Falkirk zombies could be eradicated by destroying the brain, bit like the walking dead. But then I thought Falkirk......brain.....?

Probably better to destroy The Bairns! :-)

[McSwanky]

Too be honest I knew the devils minions would come after me after my expose of the satanic overlords.

Get behind me Satan I will not tell you where I stay.Brilliant!! You actually had me thinking you were serious did a while there. Well and truly punked!

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[blackpoolhibs]

Was feeling a bit bored, then i started to read this thread and its fairly cheered me up.

HomeTeam, can you post a little more regularly, as you are a great tonic on a dull day. :top marks

[CapitalGreen]

Ok, I give up, the strength of your arguments have got me, you win I am convinced.:greengrin:cb:na na:

Nobody is trying to convince you. Conspiracy theorists have no interest in being convinced otherwise as believing their supposed truth about the world gives them a sense of power and superiority over others. This sense of superiority that knowing the truth provides helps them make sense of a world where they otherwise feel inferior and powerless.

[Tobias Funke]

Nobody is trying to convince you. Conspiracy theorists have no interest in being convinced otherwise as believing their supposed truth about the world gives them a sense of power and superiority over others. This sense of superiority that knowing the truth provides helps them make sense of a world where they otherwise feel inferior and powerless.

:top marks

[Smartie]

Nobody is trying to convince you. Conspiracy theorists have no interest in being convinced otherwise as believing their supposed truth about the world gives them a sense of power and superiority over others. This sense of superiority that knowing the truth provides helps them make sense of a world where they otherwise feel inferior and powerless.

I think someone has finally managed to explain the concept of "Rangers".

Are Luciferians anything to do with David Icke and the giant lizards?

[lord bunberry]

More along the lines of the Saturn death cult and kabalistic cube worshiping.
Are you sure? I think you’re talking out off Uranus.

[HappyAsHellas]

It's always Aleister Crowley - he was quite firm about this - do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law etc, etc. Really, sometimes I despair.

[matty_f]

The spooky thing is - look how many times the number 666 comes up in this thread. I wrote the numbers down on a pad, and if I look at it , there's clearly a 666 visible.

[Slavers]

I see a few are mocking the idea of homage to 666. That's fine the truth is blind to those who don't want to see it.

The smoking gun:

An industry where you HAVE to sell your soul to satan to achieve a certain level of success. These celebs all paying homage to Lucifer their paymaster.

Southsideharpboy - You are a respected poster for good reason but to dismiss the baphomet as silly hand signs lets you down I regret to say.

Explain this one - more 666 references in the most satanic of industries:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1707&bih=819&ei=iq7QWpL2HcaXsAeIj5v4Ag&q=Celebs+666+hand+sign&oq=Celebs+666+hand+sign&gs_l=img.3...14583.20769.0.21146.23.12.0.11.11.0.1 06.764.7j2.9.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..3.10.768.0..0j 0i8i30k1j0i24k1.0.J78uSkY9sg4

[McSwanky]

I see a few are mocking the idea of homage to 666. That's fine the truth is blind to those who don't want to see it.

The smoking gun:

An industry where you HAVE to sell your soul to satan to achieve a certain level of success. These celebs all paying homage to Lucifer their paymaster.

Southsideharpboy - You are a respected poster for good reason but to dismiss the baphomet as silly hand signs lets you down I regret to say.

Explain this one - more 666 references in the most satanic of industries:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1707&bih=819&ei=iq7QWpL2HcaXsAeIj5v4Ag&q=Celebs+666+hand+sign&oq=Celebs+666+hand+sign&gs_l=img.3...14583.20769.0.21146.23.12.0.11.11.0.1 06.764.7j2.9.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..3.10.768.0..0j 0i8i30k1j0i24k1.0.J78uSkY9sg4

OMG. Now I believe.

20546

[Slavers]

OMG. Now I believe.

20546

Yep thank you for confirming. As you can see the entertainment industry is rife with Satanism. Thankfully Mr T got out when he could.

[McSwanky]

Yep thank you for confirming. As you can see the entertainment industry is rife with Satanism. Thankfully Mr T got out when he could.

20547

[Eaststand]

I see a few are mocking the idea of homage to 666. That's fine the truth is blind to those who don't want to see it.

The smoking gun:

An industry where you HAVE to sell your soul to satan to achieve a certain level of success. These celebs all paying homage to Lucifer their paymaster.

Southsideharpboy - You are a respected poster for good reason but to dismiss the baphomet as silly hand signs lets you down I regret to say.

Explain this one - more 666 references in the most satanic of industries:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1707&bih=819&ei=iq7QWpL2HcaXsAeIj5v4Ag&q=Celebs+666+hand+sign&oq=Celebs+666+hand+sign&gs_l=img.3...14583.20769.0.21146.23.12.0.11.11.0.1 06.764.7j2.9.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..3.10.768.0..0j 0i8i30k1j0i24k1.0.J78uSkY9sg4


I'm just back from Asda and on my way home, I passed 3 cars with a number 6 as part of the car reg...

I looked at the shopping receipt from Asda and there were at least 3 number 6's amongst the prices....

When i walked into my house, my dog barked six times and she was yapping and it sounded like she was trying to say six, six six....

I opened a pack of crisps (then noticed the bag was from a 6 pack multipack)...

As I sat reflecting on all these 6's from this morning, I remembered that when I played darts, I once hit a treble 6...

I'm now in no doubt this number 6 stuff is real, it's staring us all in the face :-0



:-)

GGTTH

[Tobias Funke]

I see a few are mocking the idea of homage to 666. That's fine the truth is blind to those who don't want to see it.

The smoking gun:

An industry where you HAVE to sell your soul to satan to achieve a certain level of success. These celebs all paying homage to Lucifer their paymaster.

Southsideharpboy - You are a respected poster for good reason but to dismiss the baphomet as silly hand signs lets you down I regret to say.

Explain this one - more 666 references in the most satanic of industries:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1707&bih=819&ei=iq7QWpL2HcaXsAeIj5v4Ag&q=Celebs+666+hand+sign&oq=Celebs+666+hand+sign&gs_l=img.3...14583.20769.0.21146.23.12.0.11.11.0.1 06.764.7j2.9.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..3.10.768.0..0j 0i8i30k1j0i24k1.0.J78uSkY9sg4

I really hope you get the help you need because its clear to all here that you are incapable of thinking straight.

[Slavers]

I really hope you get the help you need because its clear to all here that you are incapable of thinking straight.

Explain the 666 references please. No need for personal attacks.

[Pretty Boy]

If all the worlds most powerful people, the leader of the biggest Christian denomination, actors, musicians, politicians, Royals and so on are Satanists I fail to see why they don't just announce it. With the power they wield and the backing of Lucifer himself there wouldn't be much we could do to stop them. Daft hand signals and hidden numbers in logos all seems suitably vague tbh, almost as though people are seeing things that aren't actually there. It's also curious they allow the online exposure of their 'secret' to continue unchallenged when they hold the power and influence to close it all down in seconds.

The irony is that extreme conspiracy theories actually aid and abet governments in the murky geopolitical games surrounding Syria and similar situations. Legitimate questions of half truths and poor decisions gets lumped in with people claiming Pope Francis and Justin Bieber meet up to worship Beelzebub.

[Slavers]

I'm just back from Asda and on my way home, I passed 3 cars with a number 6 as part of the car reg...

I looked at the shopping receipt from Asda and there were at least 3 number 6's amongst the prices....

When i walked into my house, my dog barked six times and she was yapping and it sounded like she was trying to say six, six six....

I opened a pack of crisps (then noticed the bag was from a 6 pack multipack)...

As I sat reflecting on all these 6's from this morning, I remembered that when I played darts, I once hit a treble 6...

I'm now in no doubt this number 6 stuff is real, it's staring us all in the face :-0



:-)

GGTTH

With respect I am not taking pictures of cars in the ASDA car park and claiming they are satanic.

I am providing clear images of satanic hand signals by celebs and world leaders.

[Slavers]

If all the worlds most powerful people, the leader of the biggest Christian denomination, actors, musicians, politicians, Royals and so on are Satanists I fail to see why they don't just announce it. With the power they wield and the backing of Lucifer himself there wouldn't be much we could do to stop them. Daft hand signals and hidden numbers in logos all seems suitably vague tbh, almost as though people are seeing things that aren't actually there. It's also curious they allow the online exposure of their 'secret' to continue unchallenged when they hold the power and influence to close it all down in seconds.

The irony is that extreme conspiracy theories actually aid and abet governments in the murky geopolitical games surrounding Syria and similar situations. Legitimate questions of half truths and poor decisions gets lumped in with people claiming Pope Francis and Justin Bieber meet up to worship Beelzebub.

They are announcing it, gradually over time, they are rubbing our noses in it.

The real irony is that you mention flippantly about Pope Francis being a Satanist. Like it could never be true.

People in the Vatican know what is going down here:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/vaticancityandholysee/7416458/Chief-exorcist-says-Devil-is-in-Vatican.html

[McSwanky]

They are announcing it, gradually over time, they are rubbing our noses in it.

The real irony is that you mention flippantly about Pope Francis being a Satanist. Like it could never be true.

People in the Vatican know what is going down here:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/vaticancityandholysee/7416458/Chief-exorcist-says-Devil-is-in-Vatican.html

Without meaning to sound pedantic, that interview was with one person (not 'people' as you stated), and he might just have a teeny vested interest in proliferating the idea that people could be possessed...

...and back to the hand signs. I suppose the double meaning of both hand signs you have alerted us to is also deliberate and staged?

Last point, what do you think the end game of these people is? Why are they taking so long to fully reveal themselves?

[makaveli1875]

I really hope you get the help you need because its clear to all here that you are incapable of thinking straight.

To be fair over a billion christians believe jesus walked on water , fed 5000 people with a loaf of bread then died and came back to life . Over a billion muslims believe that mohamed flew away on a winged horse to split the moon in half . In that context HomeTeams posts are not that far fetched

[Eaststand]

With respect I am not taking pictures of cars in the ASDA car park and claiming they are satanic.

I am providing clear images of satanic hand signals by celebs and world leaders.

The point of my post is to show, in a lighthearted way, that if you look around, there are 6's everywhere, and 7's, 8's and 9's too ;-)

GGTTH

[SRHibs]

Explain the 666 references please. No need for personal attacks.

Confirmation bias.

[One Day Soon]

I see a few are mocking the idea of homage to 666. That's fine the truth is blind to those who don't want to see it.

The smoking gun:

An industry where you HAVE to sell your soul to satan to achieve a certain level of success. These celebs all paying homage to Lucifer their paymaster.

Southsideharpboy - You are a respected poster for good reason but to dismiss the baphomet as silly hand signs lets you down I regret to say.

Explain this one - more 666 references in the most satanic of industries:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1707&bih=819&ei=iq7QWpL2HcaXsAeIj5v4Ag&q=Celebs+666+hand+sign&oq=Celebs+666+hand+sign&gs_l=img.3...14583.20769.0.21146.23.12.0.11.11.0.1 06.764.7j2.9.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..3.10.768.0..0j 0i8i30k1j0i24k1.0.J78uSkY9sg4

Ricky Gervais. Arianna Grande and Ronald Reagan? :faf:

[Pretty Boy]

They are announcing it, gradually over time, they are rubbing our noses in it.

The real irony is that you mention flippantly about Pope Francis being a Satanist. Like it could never be true.

People in the Vatican know what is going down here:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/vaticancityandholysee/7416458/Chief-exorcist-says-Devil-is-in-Vatican.html

Catholic priest believes in the devil? If bears start using woodland areas as toilets then I'm convinced.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

I see a few are mocking the idea of homage to 666. That's fine the truth is blind to those who don't want to see it.

The smoking gun:

An industry where you HAVE to sell your soul to satan to achieve a certain level of success. These celebs all paying homage to Lucifer their paymaster.

Southsideharpboy - You are a respected poster for good reason but to dismiss the baphomet as silly hand signs lets you down I regret to say.

Explain this one - more 666 references in the most satanic of industries:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1707&bih=819&ei=iq7QWpL2HcaXsAeIj5v4Ag&q=Celebs+666+hand+sign&oq=Celebs+666+hand+sign&gs_l=img.3...14583.20769.0.21146.23.12.0.11.11.0.1 06.764.7j2.9.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..3.10.768.0..0j 0i8i30k1j0i24k1.0.J78uSkY9sg4

Im still not convinced you are completely on the level with all of this, but if you are, fair enough. You are of course entitled to believe whatever, and as makavelli rightly pointed out, lots of people believe other wacky, religious stuff.

Personally i dont believe any of it, so i will continue in a state of enlightened rationalism or blissful ignorance, depending on your point of view!

[Caversham Green]

Guess what number came up on Rachel's random number generator on Countdown today... And it's Friday the 13th.

Just saying.

[CapitalGreen]

I’ve now decided to become a Luciferean myself.

When does the money and power start rolling in?

[CapitalGreen]

Guess what number came up on Rachel's random number generator on Countdown today... And it's Friday the 13th.

Just saying.

We are rubbing your nose in it :smug:

[Hibrandenburg]

If you want saved you call 999, if you want to enjoy a fire and brimstone eternity you turn 999 around and call 666. Simple really.

[Caversham Green]

We are rubbing your nose in it :smug:

Nah - Rachel's already converted me.

[CapitalGreen]

https://www.unilad.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Pardew-web-thumb.jpg

:devil:

[Beefster]

I see a few are mocking the idea of homage to 666. That's fine the truth is blind to those who don't want to see it.

The smoking gun:

An industry where you HAVE to sell your soul to satan to achieve a certain level of success. These celebs all paying homage to Lucifer their paymaster.

Southsideharpboy - You are a respected poster for good reason but to dismiss the baphomet as silly hand signs lets you down I regret to say.

Explain this one - more 666 references in the most satanic of industries:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1707&bih=819&ei=iq7QWpL2HcaXsAeIj5v4Ag&q=Celebs+666+hand+sign&oq=Celebs+666+hand+sign&gs_l=img.3...14583.20769.0.21146.23.12.0.11.11.0.1 06.764.7j2.9.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..3.10.768.0..0j 0i8i30k1j0i24k1.0.J78uSkY9sg4

So was Usain Bolt a Satanist before he could run fast or was he forcefully converted as soon as the elite realised that he was going to be **** hot? Or did Satan provide him with his super-powers?

[lord bunberry]

The spooky thing is - look how many times the number 666 comes up in this thread. I wrote the numbers down on a pad, and if I look at it , there's clearly a 666 visible.
Shut the front door.

[Hiber-nation]

https://www.unilad.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Pardew-web-thumb.jpg

:devil:

OK I'm definitely convinced now :greengrin

[Speedy]

I see a few are mocking the idea of homage to 666. That's fine the truth is blind to those who don't want to see it.

The smoking gun:

An industry where you HAVE to sell your soul to satan to achieve a certain level of success. These celebs all paying homage to Lucifer their paymaster.

Southsideharpboy - You are a respected poster for good reason but to dismiss the baphomet as silly hand signs lets you down I regret to say.

Explain this one - more 666 references in the most satanic of industries:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1707&bih=819&ei=iq7QWpL2HcaXsAeIj5v4Ag&q=Celebs+666+hand+sign&oq=Celebs+666+hand+sign&gs_l=img.3...14583.20769.0.21146.23.12.0.11.11.0.1 06.764.7j2.9.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..3.10.768.0..0j 0i8i30k1j0i24k1.0.J78uSkY9sg4

Be seeing you

[Just Alf]

With respect I am not taking pictures of cars in the ASDA car park and claiming they are satanic.

I am providing clear images of satanic hand signals by celebs and world leaders.

Regarding "clear images", I've had another look up the thread and the only thing I can see is your link to Google images that's full of photoshops which only helps to knock your claims down .... did you have something elsewhere that you've shared that's positive for your case?

[snooky]

Okay, spot the ventriloquist's dummy...... https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1825670760830466&id=814255468638672
(Clue: It's near the end when the ear piece falls out and his prompter's voice is heard over the mike).
FFS, is this what it's come to? MP's who can't even use their own brains to speak.

"It's not civilisation as we know it, Jim." - Spock (who ironically, was not an earthling)

[HappyAsHellas]

Book of Revelation 13:18

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Are we to believe that this unnamed man is Satan himself? Why didn't they just write "let every thinking man watch out for that dodgy git Lucifer"?

I understand that they never had fancy logo's back in the day but we should also remember that the book of revelation was written by someone who's mental capacity at the time was probably not quite up to scratch. As for the baphomet signs I use it sort of sideways when ordering two fingers of whisky. As for numerology...........:faf:

[lord bunberry]

https://youtu.be/ythCSNqa3gA
https://youtu.be/ythCSNqa3gA

[Pretty Boy]

It all seems to have turned into posturing for the cameras. Less than an hour of airstrikes and Russia officially confirms none of it's 'assets' were touched. I'll suggest the 'consequences' will be a short burst of retaliatory strikes against 'rebel strongholds'; anything else turns them into the aggressor and no one is willing to admit to that role publicly.

As tense a situation as it undoubtedly is I can't help think those talking about an imminent WW3 are going to be disappointed. As has been the case for the last 7 years whilst Putin and NATO play my dick is bigger than yours the victims will continue to be Syrian civilians. Neither side has their best interests at heart.

[HibbyDave]

Missile attack on Syria carried out early this morning according to BBC news

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

It all seems to have turned into posturing for the cameras. Less than an hour of airstrikes and Russia officially confirms none of it's 'assets' were touched. I'll suggest the 'consequences' will be a short burst of retaliatory strikes against 'rebel strongholds'; anything else turns them into the aggressor and no one is willing to admit to that role publicly.

As tense a situation as it undoubtedly is I can't help think those talking about an imminent WW3 are going to be disappointed. As has been the case for the last 7 years whilst Putin and NATO play my dick is bigger than yours the victims will continue to be Syrian civilians. Neither side has their best interests at heart.

Seems like a least bad option for all. Assad gets his wrist slapped, we have our righteous indignation salved, the Russians arent attacked.

[bigwheel]

Seems like a least bad option for all. Assad gets his wrist slapped, we have our righteous indignation salved, the Russians arent attacked.


really? Questions constitutional disciplines in UK parliament? ,makes no ones life safer in Syria, has no impact on Assad and his government - with no major escalation of activities against Assad, and no retaliation from Russia - arguably has made Assad's politically more secure

[Beefster]

Weren’t Russia saying that an attack on Syria would have serious consequences a couple of days ago? Their latest ‘we weren’t affected, guv’ seems a bit of a way away from that.

[Beefster]

really? Questions constitutional disciplines in UK parliament? ,makes no ones life safer in Syria, has no impact on Assad and his government - with no major escalation of activities against Assad, and no retaliation from Russia - arguably has made Assad's politically more secure

How so? I understand some MPs being a bit non-plussed at it not being debated in parliament but there’s no requirement to do so.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

really? Questions constitutional disciplines in UK parliament? ,makes no ones life safer in Syria, has no impact on Assad and his government - with no major escalation of activities against Assad, and no retaliation from Russia - arguably has made Assad's politically more secure

Yes really. Im not talking about the rights and wrongs of whether what we did was correct, i was meaning that given the bellicose chat and situation we were in, this seems like an outcome that all sides can be relatively pleased with.

I dont think the point was to destablise Asssd, it seems to me the point is simply to make the downside of using chemical weapons greater than the benefits.

Of course the war will continue, and we should rightly, not get involved in that.

Constitutional point is a grey area- personally i am comfortable that a quick strike like this is ok (our govt supported it afterall and corbyn was given a full briefing), but i think a more substantial conflict should require parliamentary oversight. Ultimately, doing it last night meant there was still an element of surprise.

[Lendo]

Weren’t Russia saying that an attack on Syria would have serious consequences a couple of days ago? Their latest ‘we weren’t affected, guv’ seems a bit of a way away from that.

Perhaps “consequences” mean the release of the certain alleged pee pee tape.

[bigwheel]

How so? I understand some MPs being a bit non-plussed at it not being debated in parliament but there’s no requirement to do so.


May pushed for early action, thereby bypassing parliamentary consent to take military action against another state, without any holistic strategy, and most people (imho) in the country not supporting the action...

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Weren’t Russia saying that an attack on Syria would have serious consequences a couple of days ago? Their latest ‘we weren’t affected, guv’ seems a bit of a way away from that.

I hope that the russians will have been consulted on the type of strike, and will have effectively given their (tacit) endorsement.

[bigwheel]

Yes really. Im not talking about the rights and wrongs of whether what we did was correct, i was meaning that given the bellicose chat and situation we were in, this seems like an outcome that all sides can be relatively pleased with.

I dont think the point was to destablise Asssd, it seems to me the point is simply to make the downside of using chemical weapons greater than the benefits.

Of course the war will continue, and we should rightly, not get involved in that.

Constitutional point is a grey area- personally i am comfortable that a quick strike like this is ok (our govt supported it afterall and corbyn was given a full briefing), but i think a more substantial conflict should require parliamentary oversight. Ultimately, doing it last night meant there was still an element of surprise.


It's a hollow act though isn't it...three leaders weak in public opinion, taking an "assertive response" without any meaningful result. It is interesting me that Merkel, the most secure leader in the large western powers, choose to take no part..

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

May pushed for early action, thereby bypassing parliamentary consent to take military action against another state, without any holistic strategy, and most people (imho) in the country not supporting the action...

Your point of view is quite legitimate, and im not saying its wrong - ultimately its a judgement call. Im comfortable with a quick, limited attack like this being taken without parliament.

Afterall, it is simply not practical to have parliamentary oversight everytime the military is used.

I do share your concerns around a strategy, and hopefully us all coming this close to escalation will see the west and russia putting impetus behind a negotiated settlement.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

It's a hollow act though isn't it...three leaders weak in public opinion, taking an "assertive response" without any meaningful result. It is interesting me that Merkel, the most secure leader in the large western powers, choose to take no part..

Hmm, i dont know.

You say 3 leaders who are weak, they are also the 3 leaders who historically take the lead on western military issues, so i dont read anything into that - and apparently a german ship is part of the US carrier group that is en route, so they ar supportive within their semi-pacifist approach.

Its not hollow in the sense that the west habe demonstrated they have both the means and the will to intevene in certain circumstances, which is part of the point. I suppose only future actions will tell us if this has worked.

It is hollow is the sense that nothing substantive to effect the war will change - but i dont think that was our intention, that ship sailed a long time ago i think.

We may, or may not, have degraded or destroyed their chem weapons infrastructure, again we will have to wait and see.

Wr have also demonstrated to russia that we are not afraid to act, but that we are prepared to work with them via existing communications channels to stop wider conflicts.

I think the future actions of syria and russia will be the best way to judge their success or otherwise, but given where things looked to be heading, i think this shows that rational and sensible people won the day, and that old systems of deescalation can still work - that is an important point, and makes me feel a helluva lot more confortable than i did about trump and putin facing off.

The relative stability of the cold war was based on a clear understanding on both sides what was and was not acceptable. This could be an important time for reestablishing for both russia and the west where those lines sit again - that is important to recreate stability in a world with a russia that again has an assertive foreign policy, something it hasnt had since the USSR.

[bigwheel]

Hmm, i dont know.

You say 3 leaders who are weak, they are also the 3 leaders who historically take the lead on western military issues, so i dont read anything into that - and apparently a german ship is part of the US carrier group that is en route, so they ar supportive within their semi-pacifist approach.

Its not hollow in the sense that the west habe demonstrated they have both the means and the will to intevene in certain circumstances, which is part of the point. I suppose only future actions will tell us if this has worked.

We may, or may not, have degraded or destroyed their chem weapons infrastructure, again we will have to wait and see.

Wr have also demonstrated to russia that we are not afraid to act, but that we are prepared to work with them via existing communications channels to stop wider conflicts.

I think the future actions of syria and russia will be the best way to judge their success or otherwise, but given where things looked to be heading, i think this shows that rational and sensible people won the day, and that old systems of deescalation can still work - that is an important point, and makes me feel a helluva lot more confortable than i did about trump and putin facing off.


There is no de-escalation here.. bombing without a strategy for overall resolution is like a bully picking on the little kid in the pack..there is nothing systemically changed as a result of this..as said in earlier post you could argue that Assad is politically stronger as a result.

[Hibrandenburg]

It's a hollow act though isn't it...three leaders weak in public opinion, taking an "assertive response" without any meaningful result. It is interesting me that Merkel, the most secure leader in the large western powers, choose to take no part..

Merkel is either the most secure leader in the West or on a shoogly peg depending on your particular political agenda.

[bigwheel]

Merkel is either the most secure leader in the West or on a shoogly peg depending on your particular political agenda.


Yeah, I understand those dimensions - she is secure in her own policies and strategy though - doesn't pander as much to populist acts like lesser leaders

[Hibrandenburg]

Yeah, I understand those dimensions - she is secure in her own policies and strategy though - doesn't pander as much to populist acts like lesser leaders

Most Germans are the same. They've been to the school of hard knocks when it comes to populistic leaders.

[bigwheel]

Most Germans are the same. They've been to the school of hard knocks when it comes to populistic leaders.


that is for sure....

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

There is no de-escalation here.. bombing without a strategy for overall resolution is like a bully picking on the little kid in the pack..there is nothing systemically changed as a result of this..as said in earlier post you could argue that Assad is politically stronger as a result.

Well given we had the real risk of russia and the west getting into a shooting match, i think there has been a deescalation.

Like i say, we dont know what has changed. If Assads willingness or capability to use chem weapons is diminshed or destoyed, then its mission accomplished surely?

Ultimately it is a judgement call, im not sure there are right and wrong answers in these very complicated questions of international relations.

[Ryan69]

If you take your news from conspiracy theorists on YouTube then you’ve taken a wrong turn somewhere.

If you rely on BBC and other mainstream outlets for your news...You clearly don't really know what's going on.

[bigwheel]

Well given we had the real risk of russia and the west getting into a shooting match, i think there has been a deescalation.

Like i say, we dont know what has changed. If Assads willingness or capability to use chem weapons is diminshed or destoyed, then its mission accomplished surely?


The only impact on Russia is that it will get a big new order for s-400 air defence Missiles from Assad.....

[Beefster]

If you rely on BBC and other mainstream outlets for your news...You clearly don't really know what's going on.

Each to their own but I’ll trust a professional outfit with a long history of reporting the news over a semi-lucid, highly emotive random with a GoPro every time.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

The only impact on Russia is that it will get a big new order for s-400 air defence Missiles from Assad.....

So what? That isnt really relevant to why we did what we did? The russians were already supplying them to syria, so how is that a change?

Also, i presume everytime we go against these weapons systems, we will learn a great deal about them and their effectiveness, which would lessen their effectiveness against us in the future- useful intelligence i would habe thought, and intel the russians would be reluctant to give up easily.

[bigwheel]

So what? That isnt really relevant to why we did what we did? The russians were already supplying them to syria, so how is that a change?

Also, i presume everytime we go against these weapons systems, we will learn a great deal about them and their effectiveness, which would lessen their effectiveness against us in the future- useful intelligence i would habe thought, and intel the russians would be reluctant to give up easily.


My point is that there is only positive value in this actions for Russia..no de-escalation - just more revenue

these weapons are well understood, there is absolutely no need to deploy weapons against them to understand them more...

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

My point is that there is only positive value in this actions for Russia..no de-escalation - just more revenue

these weapons are well understood, there is absolutely no need to deploy weapons against them to understand them more...

I disagree that there is only positive value for russia, but i think we risk going around in circles on this!

[bigwheel]

I disagree that there is only positive value for russia, but i think we risk going around in circles on this!


yeah. fair play....decent chat though - always interesting to hear different views..for me, it remains a futile action, serving only leader's egos

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

yeah. fair play....decent chat though - always interesting to hear different views..for me, it remains a futile action, serving only leader's egos

Totally, and as i say, i dont think its a case of 'im right, yoyre wrong', these whole issues are massive grey areas in my view.

[greenlex]

Fear not . The Avengers will be along in the 25th to save the day.

[Moulin Yarns]

Fear not . The Avengers will be along in the 25th to save the day.

http://www.gstatic.com/tv/thumb/tvbanners/183944/p183944_b_v8_ac.jpg

[G B Young]

A bold and IMHO correct move from May. Important to have France very much to the fore rather than just Trump, but I thought she spoke well this morning and clearly stated the case for having taken action. Corbyn can bleat all he likes but his position on this has been, in keeping with his foreign 'policy' in general, pathetic. His default mantra is to call for political solutions, with any intervention being UN-led. This is a war which has lasted for seven years with any attempt at political dialogue having failed at every turn. To pretend that Labour could pull something out of the hat is nothing more than hollow posturing. He also knows full well that any UN action has been repeatedly vetoed by Russia and is therefore a non-starter so his foreign 'policy' can be most accurately summed up as 'do nothing.'

There are rulers such as Putin and Assad who will never listen to reason, which is why in cases like this, such action is deemed the correct course.

[lord bunberry]

A bold and IMHO correct move from May. Important to have France very much to the fore rather than just Trump, but I thought she spoke well this morning and clearly stated the case for having taken action. Corbyn can bleat all he likes but his position on this has been, in keeping with his foreign 'policy' in general, pathetic. His default mantra is to call for political solutions, with any intervention being UN-led. This is a war which has lasted for seven years with any attempt at political dialogue having failed at every turn. To pretend that Labour could pull something out of the hat is nothing more than hollow posturing. He also knows full well that any UN action has been repeatedly vetoed by Russia and is therefore a non-starter so his foreign 'policy' can be most accurately summed up as 'do nothing.'

There are rulers such as Putin and Assad who will never listen to reason, which is why in cases like this, such action is deemed the correct course.
What do you think this action will achieve? Other than massaging the egos of a few people it will achieve nothing. Assad is still there, the Russians are still there and people are still dying. There isn’t a military solution for the west, and that only leaves two options. Do nothing or find a political solution.

[RyeSloan]

The only impact on Russia is that it will get a big new order for s-400 air defence Missiles from Assad.....

Assad is skint. So any ‘new order’ for missiles will simply lump greater cost onto Russia for what is already turning out to be a rather expensive foray. The concept that Assad has significant cash flow that he’s using to pay up front for military gear from Russia is a one flawed I would suggest.

Putin is finding out just how expensive these types of foreign interventions are and how difficult it is to exit them once you become embroiled.

As for the strikes strengthening Assad’s political position...there is only one reason he is still there and likely to remain and that’s Russia. A few missiles from the West doesn’t change that dynamic one bit.

I’m not sure anyone really believes that the missile strikes will have any great long term impact in terms of the outcome of the civil war but to some degree I’m not sure what the West should do. IF there was chemical weapon use (staged of course according to Russians...a familiar story from them) then mealy mouthed jaw jaw at the U.N. is not going to resolve the situation or reduce the likelihood of it happening again. So something needed to be done to remind all parties that the use of such weapons is still a red line.

[Pete]

What do you think this action will achieve? Other than massaging the egos of a few people it will achieve nothing. Assad is still there, the Russians are still there and people are still dying. There isn’t a military solution for the west, and that only leaves two options. Do nothing or find a political solution.

Judging by your reply, I’m guessing he shoehorned a point or two about Syria into his regular dig at Jeremy Corbyn. 😂

[bigwheel]

Assad is skint. So any ‘new order’ for missiles will simply lump greater cost onto Russia for what is already turning out to be a rather expensive foray. The concept that Assad has significant cash flow that he’s using to pay up front for military gear from Russia is a one flawed I would suggest.

Putin is finding out just how expensive these types of foreign interventions are and how difficult it is to exit them once you become embroiled.

As for the strikes strengthening Assad’s political position...there is only one reason he is still there and likely to remain and that’s Russia. A few missiles from the West doesn’t change that dynamic one bit.

I’m not sure anyone really believes that the missile strikes will have any great long term impact in terms of the outcome of the civil war but to some degree I’m not sure what the West should do. IF there was chemical weapon use (staged of course according to Russians...a familiar story from them) then mealy mouthed jaw jaw at the U.N. is not going to resolve the situation or reduce the likelihood of it happening again. So something needed to be done to remind all parties that the use of such weapons is still a red line.

Russia and Iran remain active in supply of weapon army to the Syrian government...Qatar known to be supporting the rebels with weapons and financial support...

Bombing without a UN backed full strategy to resolve the Syrian crisis is of no value to the Syrian people....there have been 10 or more instances of chemical weapons being used in Syria in the last 7 years, all actions and sanctions have made no impact in those events...the action overnight will again do nothing to resolve the situation


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[RyeSloan]

Russia and Iran remain active in supply of weapon army to the Syrian government...Qatar known to be supporting the rebels with weapons and financial support...

Bombing without a UN backed full strategy to resolve the Syrian crisis is of no value to the Syrian people....there have been 10 or more instances of chemical weapons being used in Syria in the last 7 years, all actions and sanctions have made no impact in those events...the action overnight will again do nothing to resolve the situation


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But you said the only outcome of this was extra revenue for Russia. My point is that Assad is not in a position to pay for the help he is getting from Russia.

Which I think leads us to the fact there is no point in any of it!

It’s a total mess for sure and I’m not suggesting for a second more missiles is any solution but asking for a full UN backed strategy is also asking for the impossible.

It’s a bloomin’ mess no matter which angle you take I suppose and the whole ‘international community’ should be ashamed of its inability to prevent or attempt to resolve such a long and bloody war.

[Bristolhibby]

It's a hollow act though isn't it...three leaders weak in public opinion, taking an "assertive response" without any meaningful result. It is interesting me that Merkel, the most secure leader in the large western powers, choose to take no part..

Indeed. Meanwhile 70 people died last night at our hands.

70 families, who have lost fathers, sons, brothers.

If it’s just a PR stunt, why bother? It had little if any military effect. Utterly pointless, just makes us (the West) feel a wee bit better.

Meanwhile the Saudis (our allies and business partners) are bombing Yeminis and blockading their ports, effectively starving the population. 5 children a day either starving to death or being killed with British and American sold weapons.

But that’s OK?

Hypocrites!

J

[makaveli1875]

Indeed. Meanwhile 70 people died last night at our hands.

70 families, who have lost fathers, sons, brothers.

If it’s just a PR stunt, why bother? It had little if any military effect. Utterly pointless, just makes us (the West) feel a wee bit better.

Meanwhile the Saudis (our allies and business partners) are bombing Yeminis and blockading their ports, effectively starving the population. 5 children a day either starving to death or being killed with British and American sold weapons.

But that’s OK?

Hypocrites!

J

where you getting this from ?

[lord bunberry]

Judging by your reply, I’m guessing he shoehorned a point or two about Syria into his regular dig at Jeremy Corbyn. 😂
He did :greengrin

[Bristolhibby]

Each to their own but I’ll trust a professional outfit with a long history of reporting the news over a semi-lucid, highly emotive random with a GoPro every time.

You can watch and listen to both you know?

The options aren’t digital.

In this Information Age, we should seek to understand and challenge all information that we see and come to our own balanced conclusions.

J

[Beefster]

Indeed. Meanwhile 70 people died last night at our hands.

70 families, who have lost fathers, sons, brothers.

If it’s just a PR stunt, why bother? It had little if any military effect. Utterly pointless, just makes us (the West) feel a wee bit better.

Meanwhile the Saudis (our allies and business partners) are bombing Yeminis and blockading their ports, effectively starving the population. 5 children a day either starving to death or being killed with British and American sold weapons.

But that’s OK?

Hypocrites!

J

Russia have stated that no-one was hurt.

[Beefster]

You can watch and listen to both you know?

The options aren’t digital.

In this Information Age, we should seek to understand and challenge all information that we see and come to our own balanced conclusions.

J

I’m more than capable of collating information before making my own opinions. Like everything though, I filter out the rubbish. I wouldn’t take information on software development from a building surveyor. It’s the same with folk whose only qualification on reporting news is having a YouTube channel.

[Beefster]

What do you think this action will achieve? Other than massaging the egos of a few people it will achieve nothing. Assad is still there, the Russians are still there and people are still dying. There isn’t a military solution for the west, and that only leaves two options. Do nothing or find a political solution.

The strike is reported as being aimed at Assad’s chemical weapons capability. It doesn’t seem like it was intended to kill Assad or force the Russians out of Syria so isn’t arguing those as failures a bit of a straw man?

[stoneyburn hibs]

A bold and IMHO correct move from May. Important to have France very much to the fore rather than just Trump, but I thought she spoke well this morning and clearly stated the case for having taken action. Corbyn can bleat all he likes but his position on this has been, in keeping with his foreign 'policy' in general, pathetic. His default mantra is to call for political solutions, with any intervention being UN-led. This is a war which has lasted for seven years with any attempt at political dialogue having failed at every turn. To pretend that Labour could pull something out of the hat is nothing more than hollow posturing. He also knows full well that any UN action has been repeatedly vetoed by Russia and is therefore a non-starter so his foreign 'policy' can be most accurately summed up as 'do nothing.'

There are rulers such as Putin and Assad who will never listen to reason, which is why in cases like this, such action is deemed the correct course.


The strikes on Syria has really achieved nothing other than giving Assad carte blanche. The threat of terrorism has possibly been raised by May's actions. A pointless exercise.

[bigwheel]

But you said the only outcome of this was extra revenue for Russia. My point is that Assad is not in a position to pay for the help he is getting from Russia.

Which I think leads us to the fact there is no point in any of it!

It’s a total mess for sure and I’m not suggesting for a second more missiles is any solution but asking for a full UN backed strategy is also asking for the impossible.

It’s a bloomin’ mess no matter which angle you take I suppose and the whole ‘international community’ should be ashamed of its inability to prevent or attempt to resolve such a long and bloody war.

Do you think Russia and Iran give weapons for free ?? The government still have access to funds and Mineral wealth

[makaveli1875]

Do you think Russia and Iran give weapons for free ?? The government still have access to funds and Mineral wealth

Iran have supplied military personell , weapons and billions in cash to Assads regime

[G B Young]

What do you think this action will achieve? Other than massaging the egos of a few people it will achieve nothing. Assad is still there, the Russians are still there and people are still dying. There isn’t a military solution for the west, and that only leaves two options. Do nothing or find a political solution.

As was made clear these actions were not designed to alter the course of the war but to make clear that the use of chemical weapons cannot go unchallenged. That to me is a more appropriate, measured response than doing nothing.

[cabbageandribs1875]

absolutely done the right thing, sends a little message to putin as well, imo

[bigwheel]

The BBC and Daily Mail are clearly winning the propaganda war if people feel this warmongering act is the right thing to do ....lowest denominator of strategy ...only innocents suffer

[lord bunberry]

As was made clear these actions were not designed to alter the course of the war but to make clear that the use of chemical weapons cannot go unchallenged. That to me is a more appropriate, measured response than doing nothing.
It didn’t stop it the last time. Assad has shown complete disregard for any sort of intervention so far. Personally I don’t see the need for Assad to use chemical weapons in a war that he’s clearly winning, it wouldn’t surprise me to find out he’s doing it to provoke a response, probably encouraged by his allies.

[RyeSloan]

Do you think Russia and Iran give weapons for free ?? The government still have access to funds and Mineral wealth

Nothing is free (Jeremy take note [emoji23]). They are giving them weapons and oil for a future ‘share’ of the Syrian economy and oil wealth through the many contracts stuck that effectively tie the Syrian regime to Russia forever more.

The Syrians have been in hock to the Russians since the USSR days and even now are due them many billions. Billions they don’t have as oil production has plummeted to almost zero from over 300,000 bpd.

However the longer the war drags on the more it’s costing Russia up front and the more Putin must be wondering just how he gets the end game to play out.

[snooky]

Putin knows what's going on and I'm sure the western leaders know too. They are muscle flexing at the moment. The difference between the Cuban missile crisis and this one is JFK gave Khrushchev a dignified 'retreat'. I don't think Trump has any clue on how to play that side of the game. The US may hook him soon, however I doubt it.
OK Coral mentality rules, OK.

[bigwheel]

Saw this on Twitter...

“
So, let me get this straight...

We're bombing Syria, because Syria bombed Syria, to show Syria that Syria shouldn't bomb Syria.

Then, after we've bombed Syria for bombing Syria, we still won't accept Syrian refugees that are seeking refuge from the bombing.

Got it.”

[One Day Soon]

Saw this on Twitter...

“
So, let me get this straight...

We're bombing Syria, because Syria bombed Syria, to show Syria that Syria shouldn't bomb Syria.

Then, after we've bombed Syria for bombing Syria, we still won't accept Syrian refugees that are seeking refuge from the bombing.

Got it.”


"So let me get this straight", then goes on to get it completely the opposite in every single regard.

[bigwheel]

"So let me get this straight", then goes on to get it completely the opposite in every single regard.


Don't agree with that assessment


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[RyeSloan]

Don't agree with that assessment


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Here’s the stats on refugee’s from Syria:

https://fullfact.org/immigration/syrian-refugees-uk/

[lapsedhibee]

To be fair over a billion christians believe jesus walked on water , fed 5000 people with a loaf of bread then died and came back to life . Over a billion muslims believe that mohamed flew away on a winged horse to split the moon in half . In that context HomeTeams posts are not that far fetched

:greengrin

[Just Alf]

To be fair over a billion christians believe jesus walked on water , fed 5000 people with a loaf of bread then died and came back to life . Over a billion muslims believe that mohamed flew away on a winged horse to split the moon in half . In that context HomeTeams posts are not that far fetchedGood point

Well made


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[One Day Soon]

"So let me get this straight", then goes on to get it completely the opposite in every single regard.


Don't agree with that assessment


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"We're bombing Syria, because Syria bombed Syria, to show Syria that Syria shouldn't bomb Syria.

Then, after we've bombed Syria for bombing Syria, we still won't accept Syrian refugees that are seeking refuge from the bombing."


The accurate version of the above:

We're bombing Assad's chemical weapons research, manufacturing and storage facilities, because Assad bombed his own people with chemical weapons, to show Assad that he shouldn't bomb anyone with chemical weapons.

Then, after we've bombed Assad's chemical weapons research, manufacturing and storage facilities for bombing his own people with chemical weapons, we will continue to accept Syrian refugees that are seeking refuge from Syria's civil war just as we have been doing since the refugee crisis started.

[Pete]

The accurate version of the above:

We're bombing Assad's chemical weapons research, manufacturing and storage facilities, because Assad bombed his own people with chemical weapons, to show Assad that he shouldn't bomb anyone with chemical weapons.

Then, after we've bombed Assad's chemical weapons research, manufacturing and storage facilities for bombing his own people with chemical weapons, we will continue to accept Syrian refugees that are seeking refuge from Syria's civil war just as we have been doing since the refugee crisis started.

You make the US and her allies sound like a gang of morally impeccable super-friends who will stop at nothing to ensure that injustices will be dealt with, no matter where they may be.

You could maybe have included parts about the real target of the chemical weapons (I’ve still not seen any proof though)...western backed rebels, jihadis and salafists.

You could also have included bits about willy waving competitions with Russia and oil pipelines running through Syria. I was going to include contracts for eventually rebuilding the infrastructure but this isn’t about regime change. 😂

[Beefster]

You could maybe have included parts about the real target of the chemical weapons (I’ve still not seen any proof though)...western backed rebels, jihadis and salafists.

He may well have been targeting rebels but, as he’s proven repeatedly, Assad doesn’t really give a **** who they affect, including kids. That’s ignoring the fact that they were, you know, chemical weapons.

[speedy_gonzales]

You make the US and her allies sound like a gang of morally impeccable super-friends who will stop at nothing to ensure that injustices will be dealt with, no matter where they may be.
,,,, You've just described Team America:World Police!

[bigwheel]

"We're bombing Syria, because Syria bombed Syria, to show Syria that Syria shouldn't bomb Syria.

Then, after we've bombed Syria for bombing Syria, we still won't accept Syrian refugees that are seeking refuge from the bombing."


The accurate version of the above:

We're bombing Assad's chemical weapons research, manufacturing and storage facilities, because Assad bombed his own people with chemical weapons, to show Assad that he shouldn't bomb anyone with chemical weapons.

Then, after we've bombed Assad's chemical weapons research, manufacturing and storage facilities for bombing his own people with chemical weapons, we will continue to accept Syrian refugees that are seeking refuge from Syria's civil war just as we have been doing since the refugee crisis started.

....there is nothing in the war actions this weekend which made life easier for the desperate humanitarian situation in Syria. The only impact is the 100s of Syrian families that have been affected by the deaths of their loved ones in the bombing ...that’s the reality

[Pete]

He may well have been targeting rebels but, as he’s proven repeatedly, Assad doesn’t really give a **** who they affect, including kids. That’s ignoring the fact that they were, you know, chemical weapons.

Well we’ve only really got Team America’s word on that, not even mentioning the apportion of blame.

I know chemical weapons are banned but how many other atrocities are committed by groups and regimes that don’t use chemical weapons? Morally, are these crimes, that also don’t discriminate, THAT more serious than Assad’s alleged crimes because of the method used? There’s some difference between not even commenting and conducting air-raids.

One thing I’ll put my mortgage on is that if a group like Boko Haram got hold of chemical weapons, I doubt we’d be in Northern Nigeria helping their government flush out the terrorists. If it was someone like Israel we’d probably be justifying it instead of taking out their facilities (well, America probably would so we’d no doubt follow their lead😂)

[RyeSloan]

Well we’ve only really got Team America’s word on that, not even mentioning the apportion of blame.

I know chemical weapons are banned but how many other atrocities are committed by groups and regimes that don’t use chemical weapons? Morally, are these crimes, that also don’t discriminate, THAT more serious than Assad’s alleged crimes because of the method used? There’s some difference between not even commenting and conducting air-raids.

One thing I’ll put my mortgage on is that if a group like Boko Haram got hold of chemical weapons, I doubt we’d be in Northern Nigeria helping their government flush out the terrorists. If it was someone like Israel we’d probably be justifying it instead of taking out their facilities (well, America probably would so we’d no doubt follow their lead[emoji23])

Straw man alert!

FWIW if Boko Haram did build a chemical weapons facility then used its output in Nigeria I would be surprised if there wasn’t global outrage and an appropriate military response.

And your point about Israel is rather facile with regards to chemical weapons use.

[Pretty Boy]

He may well have been targeting rebels but, as he’s proven repeatedly, Assad doesn’t really give a **** who they affect, including kids. That’s ignoring the fact that they were, you know, chemical weapons.

There was no chemical weapons attack though. It was staged and planned......apparently.

[Pete]

Straw man alert!

FWIW if Boko Haram did build a chemical weapons facility then used its output in Nigeria I would be surprised if there wasn’t global outrage and an appropriate military response.

And your point about Israel is rather facile with regards to chemical weapons use.

Forgive my French but it’s made easier by the fact that one of America’s closest allies isn’t even one of the parties to the chemical weapons convention.

My general point was that while we generally act in good faith, our reaction to certain situations depends greatly on the parties involved and our vested interest. I stand by that and certainly don’t believe everything I’m told by our government, their allies and our media.

As for the attacks, I’m kind of relieved that it’s over. I’m left with a felling of “is that it, what was all the fuss about?” as it seems like everyone has saved face, which was probably the main thing.

[ronaldo7]

Forgive my French but it’s made easier by the fact that one of America’s closest allies isn’t even one of the parties to the chemical weapons convention.

My general point was that while we generally act in good faith, our reaction to certain situations depends greatly on the parties involved and our vested interest. I stand by that and certainly don’t believe everything I’m told by our government, their allies and our media.

As for the attacks, I’m kind of relieved that it’s over. I’m left with a felling of “is that it, what was all the fuss about?” as it seems like everyone has saved face, which was probably the main thing.

Until the next time. The hawks are in full flow at the moment, and to say otherwise, you're a conspiracy theorist. The right wing have made major in roads into main stream media, and embedded themselves there. You only have to look impartially at the daily politics shows to see what's occurring.

Watch out now, you'll be tarred with the beefy conspiritist brush

[ronaldo7]

How so? I understand some MPs being a bit non-plussed at it not being debated in parliament but there’s no requirement to do so.

Not true.

After Iraq, MP's were promised that any military interventions would be discussed in Parliament. It was only a Tory promise though.

[ronaldo7]

This is the UK gov legal position on military intervention in Syria.

https://t.co/if0wBhug0z

It's based on Humanitarian suffering. Hypocrisy much?

It seems that humanitarian suffering doesn't matter when it's your allies who are handing it out, or the bottom line is affecting the balance of payments to your bank balance. #YEMEN

[One Day Soon]

....there is nothing in the war actions this weekend which made life easier for the desperate humanitarian situation in Syria. The only impact is the 100s of Syrian families that have been affected by the deaths of their loved ones in the bombing ...that’s the reality

These are debatable points but they have nothing to do with the fact that the quoted tweet was demonstrably wrong in every single regard.

In addition, the Russians are saying that no-one was killed in the attacks. Where are you getting your 100s of families affected by deaths of loved ones line from?

[Pete]

This is the UK gov legal position on military intervention in Syria.

https://t.co/if0wBhug0z

It's based on Humanitarian suffering. Hypocrisy much?

It seems that humanitarian suffering doesn't matter when it's your allies who are handing it out, or the bottom line is affecting the balance of payments to your bank balance. #YEMEN


Embarrassing

[One Day Soon]

You make the US and her allies sound like a gang of morally impeccable super-friends who will stop at nothing to ensure that injustices will be dealt with, no matter where they may be.

You could maybe have included parts about the real target of the chemical weapons (I’ve still not seen any proof though)...western backed rebels, jihadis and salafists.

You could also have included bits about willy waving competitions with Russia and oil pipelines running through Syria. I was going to include contracts for eventually rebuilding the infrastructure but this isn’t about regime change. 😂


I'm not making anyone sound like anything, you're just interpreting it that way. All I've done is point out that the original tweet was a glib steaming pile.

I've posted elsewhere on how deep seated and complex everything in the Middle East, in particular but not exclusively, is. In between all this 'we must bomb' and 'we must never intervene' moral failure there's a much more nuanced position for the West to take that requires harder thought and a harder sell because it isn't a spin friendly position and it isn't the false black and white certainty that both sides are enjoying serving up to us now.

[Pete]

I'm not making anyone sound like anything, you're just interpreting it that way. All I've done is point out that the original tweet was a glib steaming pile.

I've posted elsewhere on how deep seated and complex everything in the Middle East, in particular but not exclusively, is. In between all this 'we must bomb' and 'we must never intervene' moral failure there's a much more nuanced position for the West to take that requires harder thought and a harder sell because it isn't a spin friendly position and it isn't the false black and white certainty that both sides are enjoying serving up to us now.

While I disagree with the recent military action, I can’t disagree with anything you’ve said here.

[Mibbes Aye]

Do you think Russia and Iran give weapons for free ?? The government still have access to funds and Mineral wealth


Iran have supplied military personell , weapons and billions in cash to Assads regime


Nothing is free (Jeremy take note [emoji23]). They are giving them weapons and oil for a future ‘share’ of the Syrian economy and oil wealth through the many contracts stuck that effectively tie the Syrian regime to Russia forever more.

The Syrians have been in hock to the Russians since the USSR days and even now are due them many billions. Billions they don’t have as oil production has plummeted to almost zero from over 300,000 bpd.

However the longer the war drags on the more it’s costing Russia up front and the more Putin must be wondering just how he gets the end game to play out.

The reasons Russia and Iran have or will continue to back Syria are far more strategic than just money.

Syria gave the USSR and now Russia access to warm-water ports allowing them deploy in the Mediterranean and beyond. Russia also tends to demonstrate, to an extent, a commitment and loyalty to its partners that the US and UK probably don't. That's not a criticism or a compliment - US/UK foreign policy has been ruthlessly pragmatic for decades if not centuries. The Russians don't lack pragmatism but there is somewhat of a degree of loyalty in their psyche that perhaps informs their approach (I accept there's a generalisation there but I think it's rooted in truth).

And for better or worse, they chose to engage with Syria and that's their 'in' to the Middle East, which they undoubtedly feel they need as balance against US influence in Israel, Saudi and the Gulf states. There's another facet which has to be considered - rightly or wrongly, there is a narrative for a lot of Russians (which Putin undoubtedly knows to exploit) which is a fear of encirclement. The gradual drift of Eastern European nations into NATO, US military intervention in near Asia and its building relationships with former-USSR Central Asian states only feeds into that.

As for Iran, the prospect of the Syrian government falling and the country becoming another Sunni regime must be terrifying. I don't think enough credence is given to the sectarian differences that exist between the Sunni and Shia branches of Islam, but in Tehran the prospect of losing Syria would feel like an existential threat. Critically, maintaining an Iran-friendly Shia regime in Damascus gives Iran a geographical route to the Lebanese coast and provides a vital defensive balance, from their point of view, against Israel - the land corridor allows Iran to equip and resource Hezbollah and the Syrian militias far more easily and undoubtedly acts as a check and balance. Having said that I understand a recent Israeli air strike in Syria killed a number of Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps soldiers who were acting as 'advisors'.

I read (or maybe heard on the radio) an interesting analysis recently, which likened the situation to the febrile state Europe was in, just prior to the outbreak of the First World War. Extreme tensions between different groups (we've not even started on the US-backed Kurdish militias which are anathema to Turkey), acting as proxies for middling powers and superpowers in a very fluid and dynamic environment. There's a fire already and it could easily become a conflagration.

[lord bunberry]

Frankie Boyle summed it up well for me. The British government will continue to care about the welfare of the Syrian people right until they turn up on a beach.

[bigwheel]

These are debatable points but they have nothing to do with the fact that the quoted tweet was demonstrably wrong in every single regard.

In addition, the Russians are saying that no-one was killed in the attacks. Where are you getting your 100s of families affected by deaths of loved ones line from?

The post was every bit as factual as yours...it of course was showing how ridiculous the strategy is..rather than giving the PR BBC version that you have shared...

Many countries now use Syria for their own agendas.In the last 7 years alone the following countries have bombed it: Syria has bombed itself (Assad regime) the United States, uK, France, Russia, Iran, Turkey, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Bahrain, and the UAE.

The only people who are hurt and disadvantaged by this are the civilians......we are not helping this country by further bombs...Assad is well on his way to winning their civil war...we are further smashing it. Since the failed CIA attempt to support the unseating of Assad, we in the west have had no strategy to intervene....these latest bombs are seen as heroic acts, when in fact they are just further bombing Syria with no impact on the humanitarian crisis..which should be our main focus.


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[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

The reasons Russia and Iran have or will continue to back Syria are far more strategic than just money.

Syria gave the USSR and now Russia access to warm-water ports allowing them deploy in the Mediterranean and beyond. Russia also tends to demonstrate, to an extent, a commitment and loyalty to its partners that the US and UK probably don't. That's not a criticism or a compliment - US/UK foreign policy has been ruthlessly pragmatic for decades if not centuries. The Russians don't lack pragmatism but there is somewhat of a degree of loyalty in their psyche that perhaps informs their approach (I accept there's a generalisation there but I think it's rooted in truth).

And for better or worse, they chose to engage with Syria and that's their 'in' to the Middle East, which they undoubtedly feel they need as balance against US influence in Israel, Saudi and the Gulf states. There's another facet which has to be considered - rightly or wrongly, there is a narrative for a lot of Russians (which Putin undoubtedly knows to exploit) which is a fear of encirclement. The gradual drift of Eastern European nations into NATO, US military intervention in near Asia and its building relationships with former-USSR Central Asian states only feeds into that.

As for Iran, the prospect of the Syrian government falling and the country becoming another Sunni regime must be terrifying. I don't think enough credence is given to the sectarian differences that exist between the Sunni and Shia branches of Islam, but in Tehran the prospect of losing Syria would feel like an existential threat. Critically, maintaining an Iran-friendly Shia regime in Damascus gives Iran a geographical route to the Lebanese coast and provides a vital defensive balance, from their point of view, against Israel - the land corridor allows Iran to equip and resource Hezbollah and the Syrian militias far more easily and undoubtedly acts as a check and balance. Having said that I understand a recent Israeli air strike in Syria killed a number of Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps soldiers who were acting as 'advisors'.

I read (or maybe heard on the radio) an interesting analysis recently, which likened the situation to the febrile state Europe was in, just prior to the outbreak of the First World War. Extreme tensions between different groups (we've not even started on the US-backed Kurdish militias which are anathema to Turkey), acting as proxies for middling powers and superpowers in a very fluid and dynamic environment. There's a fire already and it could easily become a conflagration.

Good analysis - the WW1 similarity kept jumping into my mind too.

[bigwheel]

The reasons Russia and Iran have or will continue to back Syria are far more strategic than just money.

Syria gave the USSR and now Russia access to warm-water ports allowing them deploy in the Mediterranean and beyond. Russia also tends to demonstrate, to an extent, a commitment and loyalty to its partners that the US and UK probably don't. That's not a criticism or a compliment - US/UK foreign policy has been ruthlessly pragmatic for decades if not centuries. The Russians don't lack pragmatism but there is somewhat of a degree of loyalty in their psyche that perhaps informs their approach (I accept there's a generalisation there but I think it's rooted in truth).

And for better or worse, they chose to engage with Syria and that's their 'in' to the Middle East, which they undoubtedly feel they need as balance against US influence in Israel, Saudi and the Gulf states. There's another facet which has to be considered - rightly or wrongly, there is a narrative for a lot of Russians (which Putin undoubtedly knows to exploit) which is a fear of encirclement. The gradual drift of Eastern European nations into NATO, US military intervention in near Asia and its building relationships with former-USSR Central Asian states only feeds into that.

As for Iran, the prospect of the Syrian government falling and the country becoming another Sunni regime must be terrifying. I don't think enough credence is given to the sectarian differences that exist between the Sunni and Shia branches of Islam, but in Tehran the prospect of losing Syria would feel like an existential threat. Critically, maintaining an Iran-friendly Shia regime in Damascus gives Iran a geographical route to the Lebanese coast and provides a vital defensive balance, from their point of view, against Israel - the land corridor allows Iran to equip and resource Hezbollah and the Syrian militias far more easily and undoubtedly acts as a check and balance. Having said that I understand a recent Israeli air strike in Syria killed a number of Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps soldiers who were acting as 'advisors'.

I read (or maybe heard on the radio) an interesting analysis recently, which likened the situation to the febrile state Europe was in, just prior to the outbreak of the First World War. Extreme tensions between different groups (we've not even started on the US-backed Kurdish militias which are anathema to Turkey), acting as proxies for middling powers and superpowers in a very fluid and dynamic environment. There's a fire already and it could easily become a conflagration.

Interesting insights which have added context and content to this thread...much appreciated [emoji106][emoji109]

[G B Young]

Indeed. Meanwhile 70 people died last night at our hands.

70 families, who have lost fathers, sons, brothers.

If it’s just a PR stunt, why bother? It had little if any military effect. Utterly pointless, just makes us (the West) feel a wee bit better.

Meanwhile the Saudis (our allies and business partners) are bombing Yeminis and blockading their ports, effectively starving the population. 5 children a day either starving to death or being killed with British and American sold weapons.

But that’s OK?

Hypocrites!

J

Are you referring to this weekend's US/France/UK-backed military action? If so, the only reference I can see anywhere to human injuries is Russia's claim that three people were hurt. No mention of any deaths, which you'd think Russia and Syria would be bigging up if there had been such a toll.

[heretoday]

I suppose we have to do whatever the yanks do, since they'll be our only friends after Brexit.

[RyeSloan]

I suppose we have to do whatever the yanks do, since they'll be our only friends after Brexit.

Of course! Just as well May factored Brexit into the Middle East geopolitical scene or she would have mis understood the whole dynamic...

[Bristolhibby]

Are you referring to this weekend's US/France/UK-backed military action? If so, the only reference I can see anywhere to human injuries is Russia's claim that three people were hurt. No mention of any deaths, which you'd think Russia and Syria would be bigging up if there had been such a toll.

Yea my bad. It genuinely was mis reading early on yesterday.

Honestly wasn’t inventing “Fake News”.

J

[Bristolhibby]

Of course! Just as well May factored Brexit into the Middle East geopolitical scene or she would have mis understood the whole dynamic...

Good little bit of distraction play away from the endless miss management of the Brexit “Negotiations”.

Are there local elections in May or something?

J

[RyeSloan]

Good little bit of distraction play away from the endless miss management of the Brexit “Negotiations”.

Are there local elections in May or something?

J

Yeah the false flag nerve agent plan and the staged chemical attacks in Syria follow up ruse are working an absolute treat [emoji736]

Tory HQ must be lovin’ their work as they cunningly distract the seething populous from the horror of Brexit just in time for the local elections.

[Bristolhibby]

Yeah the false flag nerve agent plan and the staged chemical attacks in Syria follow up ruse are working an absolute treat [emoji736]

Tory HQ must be lovin’ their work as they cunningly distract the seething populous from the horror of Brexit just in time for the local elections.

Na, more her (Mays) reaction to it all this time. Especially as the British response in previous chemical incidents has been to do nothing.

For some reason, this one warranted a cruise missile reaction.

I was just suggesting that it was convienient that there are local elections next month.

Being strong against tyrants polls well. Especially with total media backing.

J

[Beefster]

Na, more her (Mays) reaction to it all this time. Especially as the British response in previous chemical incidents has been to do nothing.

For some reason, this one warranted a cruise missile reaction.

I was just suggesting that it was convienient that there are local elections next month.

Being strong against tyrants polls well. Estpecially with total media backing.

J

Oh, come on. Opinions are one thing but don’t start making up ‘facts’. It took me a grand total of 20 seconds to find this...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/15/the-guardian-view-on-bombing-syria-a-decision-for-parliament

[Bristolhibby]

Oh, come on. Opinions are one thing but don’t start making up ‘facts’. It took me a grand total of 20 seconds to find this...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/15/the-guardian-view-on-bombing-syria-a-decision-for-parliament

Do you know what, I did think about bracketing (the Guardian and Independent) in my response, but I assumed the intent of my reply would have made sense.

Yes there are a few lone dissenters, but the massive majority of the media was all out for this attack.

No?

J

[Beefster]

Do you know what, I did think about bracketing (the Guardian and Independent) in my response, but I assumed the intent of my reply would have made sense.

Yes there are a few lone dissenters, but the massive majority of the media was all out for this attack.

No?

J

And the FT, so presumably that’s a slim majority of the broadsheets that aren’t ‘all out’. The TV companies will be generally neutral and just reporting what’s happening.

I can’t be arsed checking the tabloids but presumably The Mirror and The Morning Star won’t be ‘all out’ but the rest may be.

It might be an overall majority but it’s hardly ‘total’ and it doesn’t seem like a ‘massive majority’.

[bigwheel]

And the FT, so presumably that’s a slim majority of the broadsheets that aren’t ‘all out’. The TV companies will be generally neutral and just reporting what’s happening.

I can’t be arsed checking the tabloids but presumably The Mirror and The Morning Star won’t be ‘all out’ but the rest may be.

It might be an overall majority but it’s hardly ‘total’ and it doesn’t seem like a ‘massive majority’.

Come on...the BBC have been pandering to the government agenda around this topic for months...sky are as right of centre as any European media outlet ...and most of the written media is currently supporting a right of centre orientation...there are some on the other side ...but definitely minority..

[Beefster]

Come on...the BBC have been pandering to the government agenda around this topic for months...sky are as right of centre as any European media outlet ...and most of the written media is currently supporting a right of centre orientation...there are some on the other side ...but definitely minority..

You do realise that we were specifically talking about Syria? The debate wasn’t about the political leanings of the media.

If you feel that BBC and Sky News are breaking impartiality rules, you should complain to Ofcom. Do something about what you perceive as bias.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/complain-to-ofcom

[Colr]

Russia says they shot down 70% of the missiles!!

[bigwheel]

You do realise that we were specifically talking about Syria? The debate wasn’t about the political leanings of the media.

If you feel that BBC and Sky News are breaking impartiality rules, you should complain to Ofcom. Do something about what you perceive as bias.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/complain-to-ofcom



er yes...I've been active in this thread...


and on your second point - er no...I've got a life...and if you genuinely feel BBC and other media outlets are not controlled editorially ..may I suggest you extend your media sources...

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Russia says they shot down 70% of the missiles!!

And the US, Britain and France said none were shot down i think.

Somebody is telling porkies...

[Bristolhibby]

And the FT, so presumably that’s a slim majority of the broadsheets that aren’t ‘all out’. The TV companies will be generally neutral and just reporting what’s happening.

I can’t be arsed checking the tabloids but presumably The Mirror and The Morning Star won’t be ‘all out’ but the rest may be.

It might be an overall majority but it’s hardly ‘total’ and it doesn’t seem like a ‘massive majority’.

I stand by “massive majority”. They have been well up for missile strikes.

I got burnt back in 2001 when we went to war in Iraq. I believed whole heartedly what I was told. As a 20 year old I was well up for it.

One of the most destabilising and terrible decisions of this century. You can’t blame me for a wee bit of scepticism?

Anyway, not sure where you are going with this one?

J

[Beefster]

I stand by “massive majority”. They have been well up for missile strikes.

I got burnt back in 2001 when we went to war in Iraq. I believed whole heartedly what I was told. As a 20 year old I was well up for it.

One of the most destabilising and terrible decisions of this century. You can’t blame me for a wee bit of scepticism?

Anyway, not sure where you are going with this one?

J

I’m not going anywhere. I was just pointing out that your comment about ‘total media backing’ (and subsequent refinements) didn’t stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever.

[Bristolhibby]

I’m not going anywhere. I was just pointing out that your comment about ‘total media backing’ (and subsequent refinements) didn’t stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever.

Ok, how about “damn near total media backing in terms of general mass consumption and circulation”.

But you knew what I meant I’m sure.

Like I said, I/we have been mislead in the past. Scepticism and fact checking should be part of everyone’s thought process.

J

[WeeRussell]

Have to say I found this thread more entertaining when we were being lectured about Satan-worshippers rather than defending the Tories and the BBC :agree:

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Have to say I found this thread more entertaining when we were being lectured about Satan-worshippers rather than defending the Tories and the BBC :agree:

Maybe one leads to the other...😀

[Colr]

And the US, Britain and France said none were shot down i think.

Somebody is telling porkies...

Who do you believe Putin or de Pfeffel? Answer has to be neither!!

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Who do you believe Putin or de Pfeffel? Answer has to be neither!!

Who is de pfeffel?

But if you are asking if i believe an open, transparent, democratic govt of a country with an activist press and a meaningful political opposition, over an authoritarian dictator who has grown up in, and recreated a system that exists on state lies and manipulation, has little meaningful free press, and who persecutes / assasinates journalists, dissidents and opposition parties, then it seems quite an easy question to answer, no?

[McSwanky]

Who is de pfeffel?

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is his full name IIRC...

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is his full name IIRC...

Ha ha, i didnt know that!

[WeeRussell]

Maybe one leads to the other...😀

Haha natural order indeed :)

[snooky]

And the US, Britain and France said none were shot down i think.

Somebody is telling porkies...

The only statement in this entire thread that I believe is 100% true. :coffee:

[GreenLake]

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is his full name IIRC...

:faf:

[McD]

Ok, how about “damn near total media backing in terms of general mass consumption and circulation”.

But you knew what I meant I’m sure.

Like I said, I/we have been mislead in the past. Scepticism and fact checking should be part of everyone’s thought process.

J


To be fair, it’s a little bit hypocritical to complain about being misled, whilst making a comment like “total media backing”, then later qualifying it and saying you expected people to know what you meant.

You seem a bit annoyed that someone was skeptical and fact checked what you said.

[Bristolhibby]

To be fair, it’s a little bit hypocritical to complain about being misled, whilst making a comment like “total media backing”, then later qualifying it and saying you expected people to know what you meant.

You seem a bit annoyed that someone was skeptical and fact checked what you said.

I’m a bit lost. Not annoyed. Just think my point is being missed and the focus on the word “total”.

Do we believe there is a fair and balanced media present?

I don’t. The decision to bomb Syria was made with much backing by the mainstream media. Yes there were a few dissenters, but your Average Joe on the street wouldn’t know that.

J

[Colr]

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is his full name IIRC...

“Boris” sounds loveable and charming. “De Pfeffel” sounds like the self-serving upper class **** that he actually is. I

[RyeSloan]

Oddly Syria (aka Russia) have so far denied access to Douma for the OPCW.

And in other news an investigative journalist in Russia has ‘accidentally’ fallen 5 floors outside his home and died. Curious that such an accident should befall someone who has been shedding light on Russia’s mercenaries in Syria. Still he probably expected nothing less than to have some sort of accident considering what happened to those that attempted to cover human rights abuses in Chechnya.

Still as there will no doubt never be any incontrovertible proof that he didn’t accidentally throw himself down 5 flights then I suppose we should all just relax and not hold Putin or his deadly autocratic regime responsible or dare cast such aspersions.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Oddly Syria (aka Russia) have so far denied access to Douma for the OPCW.

And in other news an investigative journalist in Russia has ‘accidentally’ fallen 5 floors outside his home and died. Curious that such an accident should befall someone who has been shedding light on Russia’s mercenaries in Syria. Still he probably expected nothing less than to have some sort of accident considering what happened to those that attempted to cover human rights abuses in Chechnya.

Still as there will no doubt never be any incontrovertible proof that he didn’t accidentally throw himself down 5 flights then I suppose we should all just relax and not hold Putin or his deadly autocratic regime responsible or dare cast such aspersions.

But, boris is just as bad because, you know, hes a tory...

[Hibrandenburg]

Oddly Syria (aka Russia) have so far denied access to Douma for the OPCW.

And in other news an investigative journalist in Russia has ‘accidentally’ fallen 5 floors outside his home and died. Curious that such an accident should befall someone who has been shedding light on Russia’s mercenaries in Syria. Still he probably expected nothing less than to have some sort of accident considering what happened to those that attempted to cover human rights abuses in Chechnya.

Still as there will no doubt never be any incontrovertible proof that he didn’t accidentally throw himself down 5 flights then I suppose we should all just relax and not hold Putin or his deadly autocratic regime responsible or dare cast such aspersions.

My money is on MI6 operatives in Russia. They'll have done it to make Russia look bad.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

My money is on MI6 operatives in Russia. They'll have done it to make Russia look bad.

And its completely normal for the suspect to get access to the crime scene and lock it down for a few days befoe the investigators can get in. And also to insist that said investigators are not allowed to aportion blame

[GreenLake]

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-chemical-attack-gas-douma-robert-fisk-ghouta-damascus-a8307726.html