Tonights games

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Did I dream it or is that the Matt Done that played for us?

[Stevie Reid]

Just said this on another thread but they should use the VAR money (and whatever else it takes) to install goal line technology at every ground.

Anything that's referred via VAR is still subject to interpretation. Scoring a goal should not be, and the technology should be used so it is definitive all the time.

[Stevie Reid]

Did I dream it or is that the Matt Done that played for us?

That's him. Has done well since he left. Didn't pull up any trees here, he wasn't terrible like some would have you believe.

[leither17]

Terrible footwear on display from the big man

[blackpoolhibs]

What a farce this is. :greengrin

[Thecat23]

This is farcical.

[Keyser Sauzee]

3 decisions for VAR, and it’s got it wrong every time.

[HibbyAndy]

Dearie me :rolleyes:

[The_Exile]

Surely a retake?!!

[Thecat23]

Surely it’s a retake as the players all ran into the box anyway so should be retaken no?

[HoboHarry]

This is laughably bad.

[HibbyAndy]

wowwwww no retake ???:confused::confused:

[lord bunberry]

I’m ****in speechless now. I’ve never seen anything like this. I thought it would be a retake.

[blackpoolhibs]

What the **** is going on here, should the penalty not be retaken? :confused:

[lord bunberry]

1-1 this is magic stuff.

[hibbysam]

Looked a stonewaller on the bbc highlights.

I’d love to see what you watched. I watched the same highlights and he gets in front of the man and falls over, no contact whatsoever.

[HibbyAndy]

1-1 :hilarious:hilarious:hilarious


should be 3-0 spurs :greengrin

[hfc rd]

VAR is simply pathetic. I’m bamboozled with these decisions and the time it’s taken for these decisions to be made.

Really happy this piece of kit isn’t in Scottish football.

[lord bunberry]

Admins can we merge this with the other thread please?

[Johnny_Leith]

It's amazing the amount of football fans (and referees in Scotland!) that don't know the rules of the game.

[blackpoolhibs]

1-1 :hilarious:hilarious:hilarious


should be 3-0 spurs :greengrin


Its the maddest game ever, can you imagine the carnage if they give Scottish referee's VAR? :faf::faf::faf::faf:

[lord bunberry]

It's amazing the amount of football fans (and referees in Scotland!) that don't know the rules of the game.
I must say I’m one of them. I thought that it would be a retake.

[HibbyAndy]

Its the maddest game ever, can you imagine the carnage if they give Scottish referee's VAR? :faf::faf::faf::faf:

:faf::faf::faf:

God dinnae :hilarious:rotflmao::greengrin

[HoboHarry]

I must say I’m one of them. I thought that it would be a retake.

I didn't know either but in fairness when did you last see a penalty retaken? Sneaked that rule change in under the radar.

[Pretty Boy]

You can't have VAR for decisions so open to interpretation.

Did a ball cross the line, was it mistaken identity and other decisions were the answer can only be yes or no are fine. Decisions like the ones in this game are still open to an individuals interpretation so the system is set up to fail.

[MWHIBBIES]

No retake, correct decision. Problem is its another stupid subjective rule.

[lord bunberry]

I didn't know either but in fairness when did you last see a penalty retaken? Sneaked that rule change in under the radar.
I’ve seen them retaken for the keeper moving or a player encroaching in the box, but never for the taker committing a foul.
The commentary are criticising spurs, but in any other game they’d be at worst 3-1 up.

[Thecat23]

No retake, correct decision. Problem is its another stupid subjective rule.

I thought if players enter the 18 yard box while a player is running to the ball it gets retaken?

[H18 SFR]

Bin VAR! The game will change for the worse otherwise.

We will end up with a highly sanitised game.

[Thecat23]

I’ve seen them retaken for the keeper moving or a player encroaching in the box, but never for the taker committing a foul.
The commentary are criticising spurs, but in any other game they’d be at worst 3-1 up.

Exactly, players were already in the box as he ran up before he stopped running.

[HoboHarry]

I’ve seen them retaken for the keeper moving or a player encroaching in the box, but never for the taker committing a foul.
The commentary are criticising spurs, but in any other game they’d be at worst 3-1 up.

I've seen them retaken plenty of times as well but it's been a while. I honestly can't recall when I last saw a retake....

[murray26]

Bin VAR! The game will change for the worse otherwise.

We will end up with a highly sanitised game.

Or use it properly

[Bishop Hibee]

Rochdale hit the post. Great half of football.

[hibbysam]

It's amazing the amount of football fans (and referees in Scotland!) that don't know the rules of the game.

Strangely the rule is actually ‘once the kicker has completed his run up’... and clearly states you can feint during the run up, the fact he took two more steps says to me it was during and not upon completion of his run up...

[Pretty Boy]

I've seen them retaken plenty of times as well but it's been a while. I honestly can't recall when I last saw a retake....

I remember Rangers getting a retake in the mid 90s at ER when we were 2-1 with seconds to go. Laudrup hit the bar but a Hibs player (Andy Millen?) had run into the box. Laudrup took the retake which Jim Leighton duly saved and he then clawed away the rebound. You could see the ref frantically looking at his linesman and Walter Smith desperate for guidance on how to give them a 3rd crack at it.

[hibbysam]

You can't have VAR for decisions so open to interpretation.

Did a ball cross the line, was it mistaken identity and other decisions were the answer can only be yes or no are fine. Decisions like the ones in this game are still open to an individuals interpretation so the system is set up to fail.

That’s where I am. Subjective calls cannot go to VAR IMO. It’s a persons opinions rather than a fact.

[MWHIBBIES]

I thought if players enter the 18 yard box while a player is running to the ball it gets retaken?

Yes because the opposition can do that. Stopping in the run up is down to 1 person.

[lord bunberry]

I can’t work out if this is the best or the worst half of football I’ve ever seen. It’s definitely the weirdest. On a positive note I only need 1 goal and 3 corners to get a healthy bet up.

[Thecat23]

Yes because the opposition can do that. Stopping in the run up is down to 1 person.

Wait I’m confused (not hard I know) are you saying opposition players can run in the box during a pen? I thought all players must be out the box until the ball is hit. The players were already in the box both sets as well. That’s why I thought it should be retaken.

[jgl07]

Someone needs to explain clear and obvious to the people in charge of the technology

They should use the approach employed in Rugby League and in cricket. The event would be displayed on the big screens and the referee and VAR referee could then talk it through the decision for the benefit of the fans.

[we are hibs]

3 decisions for VAR, and it’s got it wrong every time.


No they haven't. They've got two correct and ones debatable.

[lord bunberry]

Wait I’m confused (not hard I know) are you saying opposition players can run in the box during a pen? I thought all players must be out the box until the ball is hit. The players were already in the box both sets as well. That’s why I thought it should be retaken.
No what he’s saying is that if the opposition players run into the box it’s a retake. If the player stops in his run up it’s free kick. The problem is both things happened in that penalty and the ref only penalised one.

[Keyser Sauzee]

Wait I’m confused (not hard I know) are you saying opposition players can run in the box during a pen? I thought all players must be out the box until the ball is hit. The players were already in the box both sets as well. That’s why I thought it should be retaken.

No players are allowed to enter the box before the penalty is taken, it was disallowed because Son stopped during the run up which is illegal

[MWHIBBIES]

Wait I’m confused (not hard I know) are you saying opposition players can run in the box during a pen? I thought all players must be out the box until the ball is hit. The players were already in the box both sets as well. That’s why I thought it should be retaken.

The opposition can make the penalty be retaken by running into the box, would be nuts if it wasnt a retake for that. Stopping during the run up is what Son has been done for and that is a free kick to Rochdale.

[hibbysam]

No players are allowed to enter the box before the penalty is taken, it was disallowed because Son stopped during the run up which is illegal

It isn’t illegal though. Feinting ‘during’ the run up is fine, which he did, feinting ‘after’ the run up is outlawed. Son took two more steps so had to be during the run up.

[Keyser Sauzee]

No they haven't. They've got two correct and ones debatable.

The disallowed goal should have stood, the foul on Lucas Moura was a penalty as the defender just body checked him and Matt Done initially fouled trippier outside the box meaning it shouldn’t have been a penalty, all 3 decisions wrong in my opinion.

[Keyser Sauzee]

It isn’t illegal though. Feinting ‘during’ the run up is fine, which he did, feinting ‘after’ the run up is outlawed. Son took two more steps so had to be during the run up.

I’m not saying it was the right decision just that that’s what the ref disallowed it for.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

The disallowed goal should have stood, the foul on Lucas Moura was a penalty as the defender just body checked him and Matt Done initially fouled trippier outside the box meaning it shouldn’t have been a penalty, all 3 decisions wrong in my opinion.

If only they somehow has the capability of playing things back anc getting it right../

[hibbysam]

I’m not saying it was the right decision just that that’s what the ref disallowed it for.

You said ‘son stopped during his run up which is illegal’ - it isn’t.

[Keyser Sauzee]

You said ‘son stopped during his run up which is illegal’ - it isn’t.

Uv got me there 🙈

[lord bunberry]

The disallowed goal should have stood, the foul on Lucas Moura was a penalty as the defender just body checked him and Matt Done initially fouled trippier outside the box meaning it shouldn’t have been a penalty, all 3 decisions wrong in my opinion.
The ref they’ve got n bt said it should have been a penalty. I always thought that the foul was given where the infringement started.

[hibbysam]

The ref they’ve got n bt said it should have been a penalty. I always thought that the foul was given where the infringement started.

Not seen tonights but for example if the defender pulls the attackers shirt for 5 seconds and it starts a yard outside the box and carries on into the box then technically the foul is still being committed inside the box.

[Thecat23]

Cheers get it now 😁👍🏼

[Aim Here]

You said ‘son stopped during his run up which is illegal’ - it isn’t.

You're not allowed to feint at the end of your run up (though you are beforehand). Presumably the interpretation is that stopping means your run up is finished.

[lord bunberry]

Not seen tonights but for example if the defender pulls the attackers shirt for 5 seconds and it starts a yard outside the box and carries on into the box then technically the foul is still being committed inside the box.
That’s pretty much what happened. But I’ve seen it go the other way many times, and they give a free kick.

[lord bunberry]

2-1 spurs. I think :greengrin

[Jones28]

Bin VAR! The game will change for the worse otherwise.

We will end up with a highly sanitised game.

VAR used properly would be a real asset to the game.

[Colr]

Law 14: The Penalty Kick - "feinting to kick the ball once the kicker has completed the run-up (feinting in the run-up is permitted)"

[rcarter1]

The discussions on here are brilliant, I've never realised how many rules i didn't even know there was a rule about! I would prefer one or perhaps two challenges from each manager per game then this.

[Colr]

3-1.

Maybe.

[hibbysam]

It is.

Once the run up has started, it must continue until the ball is kicked. Feinting is fine as long as there is a continuous run up.

Feinting is a deceptive move. Son feinted during his run up before continuing. The rule is fairly clear to me in regards he can’t address the ball, stop which results in the keeper diving and stroking it into the other corner. Son doesn’t address the ball, he is at least 2 steps away from it which is during the run up, not after.

If they meant that he cannot stop his run up but can stutter then they should have said that in the rules. As it is, he never done anything wrong.

[Hibs Class]

The disallowed goal should have stood, the foul on Lucas Moura was a penalty as the defender just body checked him and Matt Done initially fouled trippier outside the box meaning it shouldn’t have been a penalty, all 3 decisions wrong in my opinion.

Presumably it was a form of advantage. The player was fouled outside of the box but stayed on his feet and continued into the box where he was fouled again. Advantage meant the better outcome for the fouled team was the penalty, and where the first foul happened became irrelevant.

[Keyser Sauzee]

Presumably it was a form of advantage. The player was fouled outside of the box but stayed on his feet and continued into the box where he was fouled again. Advantage meant the better outcome for the fouled team was the penalty, and where the first foul happened became irrelevant.

Could be that tbf, although with advantage is it not pulled back to the original foul?

[Mantis Toboggan]

Given that there is a perception that Hibs suffer from a lot of poor decisions, I would have thought there would be more support for VAR.

[bod]

Presumably it was a form of advantage. The player was fouled outside of the box but stayed on his feet and continued into the box where he was fouled again. Advantage meant the better outcome for the fouled team was the penalty, and where the first foul happened became irrelevant.

I saw it as 1 foul that carried on inside the box

[Colr]

4-1.

Or 6-1 in football.

[hibbysam]

Could be that tbf, although with advantage is it not pulled back to the original foul?

Not if there is another foul in a better position.

[Hibbyradge]

Feinting is a deceptive move. Son feinted during his run up before continuing. The rule is fairly clear to me in regards he can’t address the ball, stop which results in the keeper diving and stroking it into the other corner. Son doesn’t address the ball, he is at least 2 steps away from it which is during the run up, not after.

If they meant that he cannot stop his run up but can stutter then they should have said that in the rules. As it is, he never done anything wrong.

Yes, it's not clear which is why I deleted my post.

I always thought that the movement towards the ball had to be continuous, but I accept that it's not that simple.

[Keyser Sauzee]

Chance this game could get abandoned?

[Hibbyradge]

Chance this game could get abandoned?

Slim chance. Only 30 minutes to go.

[Keyser Sauzee]

Slim chance. Only 30 minutes to go.

Hope not I’ve got Spurs -2

[Hibs Class]

Could be that tbf, although with advantage is it not pulled back to the original foul?

It is if there is no advantage. Unlike rugby the ref cannot play a lengthy advantage so has to decide prety quickly whether to blow for the foul or let play continue, but in the case of the penalty tonight there can only have been 1-2 seconds between the first foul and the second leading to the penalty. Interestingly the replay showed the linesman signal for a foul outside the box and not a penalty, yet he had the same first view as the video ref!

[lord bunberry]

Surely it’s time for the orange ball, I’m struggling here.

[Colr]

Is it on tv?

[Hibs Class]

I saw it as 1 foul that carried on inside the box

Probably right. Key point though is that whether it was two fouls or one which continued into the box, the correct decision was a penalty.

[Sir David Gray]

Is it on tv?

BT Sport 2.

[Hibs Class]

Is it on tv?

BT sport

[blackpoolhibs]

Surely they should be using an orange ball?

[lord bunberry]

Surely they should be using an orange ball?
Finally someone sees what I’m not seeing :greengrin

[Billy Whizz]

Arsenal v Man City just kicked off on sky
Hardly anyone at the game

[Leith Green]

Arsenal v Man City just kicked off on sky
Hardly anyone at the game

Thats just because Arsenal are Jobbies ...

[Billy Whizz]

Thats just because Arsenal are Jobbies ...

Think there more at Tynie on Tuesday

[hibsbollah]

Arsenal v Man City just kicked off on sky
Hardly anyone at the game

Not much to play for... City have won the title, Arsenal need a miracle to get top four.

[MWHIBBIES]

Will be just like a home game for City with so many empty seats.

[Leith Green]

Think there more at Tynie on Tuesday

More Jobbies?

[Thecat23]

Arsenal should just stay in at half time.

[Scouse Hibee]

What a fantastic goal from City 0-2

[HoboHarry]

Just how good are Sane and David Silva?

[Thecat23]

Just how good are Sane and David Silva?

Nearly as good as Allan and McGinn 😁

[HoboHarry]

Nearly as good as Allan and McGinn 😁

You got a day off and on the sauce?

😁

[Thecat23]

You got a day off and on the sauce?

😁

I wish, on it tomorrow though 😃

[Scouse Hibee]

Just how good are Sane and David Silva?

Tremendous nearly good enough to get in the Liverpool team.

[Thecat23]

0-3 pissing it.

[Scouse Hibee]

Another superb goal 0-3

[HoboHarry]

Like I was saying....0-3

[Billy Whizz]

Citeh only need 14 points to win the title
Bit of a one sided league, for allegedly the richest league in the world

I’ve switched over to Las Palmas v Barca, looks a bit warmer

[Hibs90]

Arsenal completely imploding here.

[3pm]

City too good.

[lapsedhibee]

Arsenal completely imploding here.

Yet they've had more shots and more corners than City, who've only had 4 shots at goal and scored from 3 of them. Is Oxley in goals for Arsenal?

[bingo70]

Could this game have an impact on Hibs?

Wenger sacked.....Rodgers to Arsenal....lennon to sellick?

Rodgers to Arsenal is a bit of a stretch but seems to be a bit of noise about it in the media.

[Since90+2]

Could this game have an impact on Hibs?

Wenger sacked.....Rodgers to Arsenal....lennon to sellick?

Rodgers to Arsenal is a bit of a stretch but seems to be a bit of noise about it in the media.

Cant see either happening but Rodgers to Arsenal is more likely than Lennon back to Celtic I'd say.

[bingo70]

Cant see either happening but Rodgers to Arsenal is more likely than Lennon back to Celtic I'd say.

I’d have thought lennon to Celtic would be the obvious option for them.

[Thecat23]

I’d have thought lennon to Celtic would be the obvious option for them.

I think so as well. More chance that than Rodgers to Arsenal I’d have thought.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Not Lennon to Arsenal though?

[guthrie01]

Arsenal have a penalty which gets saved, nothing going right for them the now...

Could be the end of Wenger's time at Arsenal

[heretoday]

Rodgers to Arsenal? No chance I'd have thought. They'll be casting about for a bigger European name.

[Hibbyradge]

Edersom's tattoo is nice, eh? :rolleyes:

[Billy Whizz]

Not Lennon to Arsenal though?

Or arsene to Celtic

[Billy Whizz]

Edersom's tattoo is nice, eh? :roll eyes:

Looks ridiculous. Who wants a tattoo on their neck

[HoboHarry]

Looks ridiculous. Who wants a tattoo on their neck

Hearts fans, male and female. Not that I can tell the difference mind.....

[brianmc]

The main driving force in the media regarding touting Rodgers for Arsenal is former STV-current Talksport-slimy Hun cockwomble Jim White!
I don't think it's too much of a leap to suggest he's got his own agenda.
Firstly to drum up irate callers to his radio show and secondly to try to unsettle Celtc....
As suggested above I'd imagine Arsenal looking sightly higher than Brendan Rodgers.

[3pm]

58000 there! 😂

[snooky]

The main driving force in the media regarding touting Rodgers for Arsenal is former STV-current Talksport-slimy Hun cockwomble Jim White!
I don't think it's too much of a leap to suggest he's got his own agenda.
Firstly to drum up irate callers to his radio show and secondly to try to unsettle Celtc....
As suggested above I'd imagine Arsenal looking sightly higher than Brendan Rodgers.

I CAN'T STAND JIM WHITE ON THE TELLY. HE SHOUTS ALL THE TIME <<-----like this

[Is It On....]

The main driving force in the media regarding touting Rodgers for Arsenal is former STV-current Talksport-slimy Hun cockwomble Jim White!
I don't think it's too much of a leap to suggest he's got his own agenda.
Firstly to drum up irate callers to his radio show and secondly to try to unsettle Celtc....
As suggested above I'd imagine Arsenal looking sightly higher than Brendan Rodgers.

You the think they will change the dear leader?

My Arsenal supporting mate sent me this during the afternoon "Arsenal are looking for volunteers to shovel snow around the stadium before Thursday's game.

Press officer, Mark Gonnella stated, "We are appealing to fans for help, if we can get enough snow brought in, there's still a chance we can get this game called off."

[SHODAN]

Whoever replaces Wenger at Arsenal will probably last about 9 months.