Transfer rumours

[stantonhibby]

Curious about why you suggest this?

I thought Jason conducted himself well whilst with Hibs. He committed to helping get us promoted, signed a new contract to ensure Hibs were compensated upon his departure, helped us get promoted and then left on good terms having also been part of the SC winning team.


Indeed.....I asked this a few posts ago but no response.

[Kato]

I've never seen him play either, but based on what I've read he scores most of his goals from penalties & free kicks, not open play. He runs all day, so does Murray, so does Boyle. Up until yesterday everything I read indicated Hibs were after a target man, someone to hold up play bring midfielders in to attack etc etc

.....and the lesson here is "don't believe everything you read."

[McD]

Curious about why you suggest this?

I thought Jason conducted himself well whilst with Hibs. He committed to helping get us promoted, signed a new contract to ensure Hibs were compensated upon his departure, helped us get promoted and then left on good terms having also been part of the SC winning team.


:agree:

No new contract, and he’d have left in the summer and Hibs would have got nowt. By signing that deal he committed himself to helping us get promoted, and getting Hibs a fee for him when he did go.

[Souter96Mac]

Heard there also may be some interest in getting a young Newcastle striker on loan

Wouldn't mind that Adam Armstrong! He'd be quality

[Lago]

.....and the lesson here is "don't believe everything you read."

You make my point perfectly, thank you.

[The Sundance Kid]

I've never seen him play either, but based on what I've read he scores most of his goals from penalties & free kicks, not open play. He runs all day, so does Murray, so does Boyle. Up until yesterday everything I read indicated Hibs were after a target man, someone to hold up play bring midfielders in to attack etc etc

Think you may have been given some poor information there regarding where his goals come from. You can find all 43 of his Brisbane Roar goals over the last 2 seasons on Youtube, only 5 penalties, no free kicks and not that many of his goals appear to come from corners or free kicks either.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Love the post that says we are only signing McLaren to get back at them for pinching Lavatory from us.

[Ozyhibby]

I've never seen him play either, but based on what I've read he scores most of his goals from penalties & free kicks, not open play. He runs all day, so does Murray, so does Boyle. Up until yesterday everything I read indicated Hibs were after a target man, someone to hold up play bring midfielders in to attack etc etc

You can watch all his goals on YouTube if you like. You’ll then see that what you read about most of his goals being pens and free kicks to be nonsense. In fact I don’t remember a single free kick.



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[davhibby]

Think you may have been given some poor information there regarding where his goals come from. You can find all 43 of his Brisbane Roar goals over the last 2 seasons on Youtube, only 5 penalties, no free kicks and not that many of his goals appear to come from corners or free kicks either.

Yep, most of his goals seem to come from him being in the right place when the ball breaks in the box. We don't have anyone that does that now

[Stuart93]

Wouldn't mind that Adam Armstrong! He'd be quality

That's the name I've heard

[bingo70]

Yep, most of his goals seem to come from him being in the right place when the ball breaks in the box. We don't have anyone that does that now

Oli Shaw maybe but it’s very early days for him and certainly not someone we should be relying on to be our main goal threat.

[Kato]

You make my point perfectly, thank you.

I don't believe that.

[SonOfDavidFrancey]

Exactly. If proof were needed that the huns are either unable or unwilling to shell out up front big money transfer fees then this is it. A reported near enough done 3 year deal transpires instead as a 6 month loan deal.

It could be Brighton just didn't trust the huns would or could pay any longer term installment plan and a loan deal was the only deal on offer to the huns.

The Brighton Argus says the fee is agreed at 1m but the BBC says it’s a loan. Someone at Rangers says a ‘fixed fee’ in the summer - presumably the 1m mentioned. Can the Rangers pay that?

[stantonhibby]

The Brighton Argus says the fee is agreed at 1m but the BBC says it’s a loan. Someone at Rangers says a ‘fixed fee’ in the summer - presumably the 1m mentioned. Can the Rangers pay that?

Assume they can once they get season ticket money in.

[Tornadoes70]

:agree:

No new contract, and he’d have left in the summer and Hibs would have got nowt. By signing that deal he committed himself to helping us get promoted, and getting Hibs a fee for him when he did go.

:top marks

No question young Cumdog was hugely successful for us and did us proud by ensuring we obtained decent money for his transfer. He's also enshrined as one of the 2016 Heroes no matter what he does in the future.

[fife hfc]

Have to wait and see, not sure he is any better than whats already at Hibs to be honest, pissing of jambos doesn't strike me as sound recruiting policy.

Do you really think Hibs would sign a player to piss of Hearts? Be serious. Both clubs are in the same market and agents will offer their players to many clubs of our size. Probably thinks coming to Britain is a good idea if he wants to get to the Wotld Cup as many Aussies have done well in British football.

[Unseen work]

No chance we are getting Adam Armstrong.

Think he is set to join Mowbray at Blackburn.

[Lago]

Think you may have been given some poor information there regarding where his goals come from. You can find all 43 of his Brisbane Roar goals over the last 2 seasons on Youtube, only 5 penalties, no free kicks and not that many of his goals appear to come from corners or free kicks either.

My bad, picked up post re Ross McCormick and confused it with Mclaren. Sorry

[Lago]

You can watch all his goals on YouTube if you like. You’ll then see that what you read about most of his goals being pens and free kicks to be nonsense. In fact I don’t remember a single free kick.



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Yip already made my mea culpa

[Borderhibbie76]

Have to wait and see, not sure he is any better than whats already at Hibs to be honest, pissing of jambos doesn't strike me as sound recruiting policy.And how do you know he's not any better than what we have?? Seen him play much have you??
Honestly give the guy a bl#$dy chance before u start writing him off

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[Heisenberg]

All of Maclaren’s 7 appearances this season for Darmstadt have been as a substitute, so not had much of a chance.

[brog]

You'd imagine whatever manager comes in would like to have a look at his full squad instead of summer signings being loaned out?

I said this earlier. I can't imagine any incoming manager would be happy with players being allowed to go on loan before he can assess them. Personally I think this is just usual old Traynor spin & I'm surprised so many continue to bite.

[Tug Wilson]

Never been convinced by the apparent need for a target man. Most of Hibs long balls are hit into the space behind the opposition fullbacks to allow our pacey wide players to get on the ball. They then look to get down the line and knock the ball back across the goal.

Shaw's "goal" against Hearts being a prime example.

Knocking the ball up to a target man would require Hibs to change their whole setup. It seems to me that the problem arises from a lack of players in the box the capitalise on the opportunities created. Either the penalty box poacher or a midfielder getting in there.

From the footage I have looked at, Jamie MacLaren seems to be the sort of player that will look to be in there when the ball comes in and importantly then have the wherewithal to get a shot on target. Often when he had no right to do so. Eye for a goal they would call it.

Personally I have always felt that Stokes is more of an inside left type player not a poacher. Simon Murray is a bit the same but at inside right. Oli Shaw is the only out and out striker we have and we cannot heap that sort of pressure on his young shoulders.

Whether Jamie is the answer or not then time will tell. However, we have to trust the processes that we have in place to identify potential transfer targets and then get them in. It has worked pretty well recently.

[weecounty hibby]

Could be a good signing, time will tell. Only a week in but the rumours so far have been a bit disappointing. Would be amazing to get a Steve Archibald type signing again. That was sensational back in the day, signing someone from Barcelona that Liverpool wanted as well. One of the best players I've seen at ER, total class

[Stuart93]

Could be a good signing, time will tell. Only a week in but the rumours so far have been a bit disappointing. Would be amazing to get a Steve Archibald type signing again. That was sensational back in the day, signing someone from Barcelona that Liverpool wanted as well. One of the best players I've seen at ER, total class

Afraid they days are well passed

[Tug Wilson]

Could be a good signing, time will tell. Only a week in but the rumours so far have been a bit disappointing. Would be amazing to get a Steve Archibald type signing again. That was sensational back in the day, signing someone from Barcelona that Liverpool wanted as well. One of the best players I've seen at ER, total class

I think that the lack of rumours is testament to the present stability at the club especially in the squad.

Pre relegation we would be going into a January window with a new manager looking to overhaul a poor and unbalanced squad. Bit like our neighbours are!

We only need to bring in 1 or 2 new players, 3 at a push, to boost the current squad and provide different options.

A marquee signing is unlikely at this time of year but if the opportunity arises I think that we are in a good position to act and get it through.

[angus hibby]

Wouldn't mind that Adam Armstrong! He'd be quality

I’d heard we do have an interest in Armstrong. Blackburn also keen and maybe the potential signing of MacLaren means we haven’t got Armstrong.

[Unseen work]

I find it funny how people presume that if someone says they want a target man it means we are going to start hoofing the ball

A target man is a vocal point of the attack, someone that can hold the ball in and allow the team to get up the park to start an attack.

The amount of times we play it into our strikers and there first touch isn’t good enough or they’re trying to turn on it in tight spaces is poor.

A target man allows guys like Mcgeouch, Swanson, Mcginn to play 1-2s and get beyond the strikers.

Mcgeouchs goal against Aberdeen last season emphasises how important a big strong target man can be.

[SRHibs]

I find it funny how people presume that if someone says they want a target man it means we are going to start hoofing the ball

A target man is a vocal point of the attack, someone that can hold the ball in and allow the team to get up the park to start an attack.

The amount of times we play it into our strikers and there first touch isn’t good enough or they’re trying to turn on it in tight spaces is poor.

A target man allows guys like Mcgeouch, Swanson, Mcginn to play 1-2s and get beyond the strikers.

Mcgeouchs goal against Aberdeen last season emphasises how important a big strong target man can be.

To be fair when we played with Holt in the team there was a lot of hoofing, so on past experience it wouldn’t be a stretch to assume we’d set up similarly again.

[MWHIBBIES]

Could be a good signing, time will tell. Only a week in but the rumours so far have been a bit disappointing. Would be amazing to get a Steve Archibald type signing again. That was sensational back in the day, signing someone from Barcelona that Liverpool wanted as well. One of the best players I've seen at ER, total classIf you are expecting that you are supporting the wrong club.

[weecounty hibby]

If you are expecting that you are supporting the wrong club.

Yep, definitely what I'm expecting. If not then my ST goes back!! The reason I used words like amazing and sensational is because that's what it was back then, now it would be beyond belief. I used it as an extreme example to outline the point that there hasn't been any real decent rumours so far this January.

[Hibbyradge]

I think that the lack of rumours is testament to the present stability at the club especially in the squad.



I take your point, but there isn't really a lack of rumours. There are still plenty folk on here, Twatter and Facebook who have heard from "good sources" that we're signing XY or Z. e.g. Griffith's is on his way to us again, apparently, and there are any number of combinations involving SJM, Henderson and just about any other Celtic player. :rolleyes:

What there is a lack of, is decent information from the genuine ITKers. And that's because Hibs have tightened up after the loose talk that cost us a signing in the summer.

[Lago]

And how do you know he's not any better than what we have?? Seen him play much have you??
Honestly give the guy a bl#$dy chance before u start writing him off

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Already apologized, see previous post.

[Borderhibbie76]

Could be a good signing, time will tell. Only a week in but the rumours so far have been a bit disappointing. Would be amazing to get a Steve Archibald type signing again. That was sensational back in the day, signing someone from Barcelona that Liverpool wanted as well. One of the best players I've seen at ER, total classThink you need to wake up and smell the coffee mate...those days are long gone

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[bingo70]

Think you need to wake up and smell the coffee mate...those days are long gone

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Not really. I think he’s just talking about high profile exciting signings.

Unlikely to get that in January but not outwith the question in the summer.

[Paisley Hibby]

I'm in Australia at the moment, few of my mates here are die hard Melbourne victory fans. One of them on McLaren:

"Top scorer in the A-League two years back, a god poacher and a true fighter.

He isn't the most gifted but will hound defenders and chase all day long and can hit a ball. "

Regular in the Aussie squad, seems a good player. Hopefully we can take him on board.
Sounds like Simon Murray.

[weecounty hibby]

Think you need to wake up and smell the coffee mate...those days are long gone

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Jesus wept. Maybe it's me or maybe it's just the written word on forums but you are the second one I've had to explain this to. I was talking about the lack of rumours, especially good ones, never mind big signings and used Archibald as an example. I didn't expect him to sign back then and don't expect us to sign anyone of that level now either

[bingo70]

Sounds like Simon Murray.

I would assume Australia would be of a similar quality to the Scotland team?

Even assuming We are better than them, Murray is miles off the national team where as Maclaren is in the Australia squad.

There may be similarities but Maclaren has a far better pedigree imo.

[Borderhibbie76]

Jesus wept. Maybe it's me or maybe it's just the written word on forums but you are the second one I've had to explain this to. I was talking about the lack of rumours, especially good ones, never mind big signings and used Archibald as an example. I didn't expect him to sign back then and don't expect us to sign anyone of that level now eitherOr maybe it's because our squad is already in a healthy state and we are 4th in premier league so no major signings needed. To me your expectations are a bit off mate

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[Michael]

I would assume Australia would be of a similar quality to the Scotland team?

Even assuming We are better than them, Murray is miles off the national team where as Maclaren is in the Australia squad.

There may be similarities but Maclaren has a far better pedigree imo.

Scotland squad is much harder to get in. But still, he mustn't be too bad.

[weecounty hibby]

Or maybe it's because our squad is already in a healthy state and we are 4th in premier league so no major signings needed. To me your expectations are a bit off mate

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What do you think my expectations are based on my last three posts on this thread? It certainly isn't anArchibald type signing!

[Borderhibbie76]

What do you think my expectations are based on my last three posts on this thread? It certainly isn't anArchibald type signing!But the whole point is our squad doesn't need major work just a couple of tweaks/additions. That's a good thing mate but your making it out to be a negative

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[Lago]

Or maybe it's because our squad is already in a healthy state and we are 4th in premier league so no major signings needed. To me your expectations are a bit off mate

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Think he's explained quite clearly what his expectations are.

[California-Hibs]

I would assume Australia would be of a similar quality to the Scotland team?

Even assuming We are better than them, Murray is miles off the national team where as Maclaren is in the Australia squad.

There may be similarities but Maclaren has a far better pedigree imo.

The Australia squad is not even close to the quality of Scotland’s. Standards of leagues player for player are playing in, valuations etc. Anyway, that’s not to say he can’t come in and do really well and be a top player.

[weecounty hibby]

But the whole point is our squad doesn't need major work just a couple of tweaks/additions. That's a good thing mate but your making it out to be a negative

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FFS. This is probably the best Hibs team I can actually remember watching. We are progressing steadily and I think we will continue to make small incremental improvements with signings getting betters nd better through time. As I have already said I DO NOT expect a huge signing like Steve Archibald.

[Blaster]

FFS. This is probably the best Hibs team I can actually remember watching. We are progressing steadily and I think we will continue to make small incremental improvements with signings getting betters nd better through time. As I have already said I DO NOT expect a huge signing like Steve Archibald.

Archibald too old these days.... 😉

[Northernhibee]

Archibald too old these days.... 😉

Let's get Deek back then :hyper

[Borderhibbie76]

FFS. This is probably the best Hibs team I can actually remember watching. We are progressing steadily and I think we will continue to make small incremental improvements with signings getting betters nd better through time. As I have already said I DO NOT expect a huge signing like Steve Archibald.Ok maybe I misunderstood your 1st post mate...to be fair the Mallan rumour is quite an exciting/interesting one...though I think may only happen if SJM goes in this window

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[weecounty hibby]

Ok maybe I misunderstood your 1st post mate...to be fair the Mallan rumour is quite an exciting/interesting one...though I think may only happen if SJM goes in this window

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Cool. Only problem with Mallan is that it does probably mean we'll lose SJM. Anyway, onwards and upwards for us anyway. If we can replace John with a decent player and improve other areas of the team as well that will be good

[hibbyfraelibby]

What there is a lack of, is decent information from the genuine ITKers. And that's because Hibs have tightened up after the loose talk that cost us a signing in the summer.

The only genuine ITKer is George Craig and he wont post on here.

[Haymaker]

Let's get Deek back then :hyper

He's a free agent AFAIK

[AlbertK86]

Cool. Only problem with Mallan is that it does probably mean we'll lose SJM. Anyway, onwards and upwards for us anyway. If we can replace John with a decent player and improve other areas of the team as well that will be good

Do we still have the money from the Cummings sale that we could use to fund Mallan?


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[SouthMoroccoStu]

Do we still have the money from the Cummings sale that we could use to fund Mallan?


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Should do

Unless it went to wages for Whittaker and Stokes

[overdrive]

I find it funny how people presume that if someone says they want a target man it means we are going to start hoofing the ball

A target man is a vocal point of the attack, someone that can hold the ball in and allow the team to get up the park to start an attack.

The amount of times we play it into our strikers and there first touch isn’t good enough or they’re trying to turn on it in tight spaces is poor.

A target man allows guys like Mcgeouch, Swanson, Mcginn to play 1-2s and get beyond the strikers.

Mcgeouchs goal against Aberdeen last season emphasises how important a big strong target man can be.

Correct. Going by the logic of target man = HOOF, the late Mowbray, early Collins era team was a hoof ball team as it was centred around Chris Killen (who admittedly had goals in him as well as being an out and out target man).

[Captain Trips]

As far as attacking options go we have created a raft of chances this season and do not have the amount of goals we really should have, as much as I like our forwards a change isnt going to harm us.

[SirDavidsNapper]

Do you really think Hibs would sign a player to piss of Hearts? Be serious. Both clubs are in the same market and agents will offer their players to many clubs of our size. Probably thinks coming to Britain is a good idea if he wants to get to the Wotld Cup as many Aussies have done well in British football.

Yup. And we can't help that he chose Hibs over Hearts. To be fair, the lad obviously wants to play in a better team, in a better stadium infront of bigger crowds. Hibs over Hearts every time. If that's pissed off Hearts then they better get used to it sharpish.

[supermcginn]

Maclaren deal done according to stv.

[Forza Fred]

The Australia squad is not even close to the quality of Scotland’s. Standards of leagues player for player are playing in, valuations etc. Anyway, that’s not to say he can’t come in and do really well and be a top player.

He was only on the fringes of the Oz squad, but the Socceroos do desperately need a striker,and with a new coach coming in, he's certainly now been given the opportunity to impress.

Let's wish him all the best and people then can judge whether he's 'great' or çrap'... (only seems two buttons on this forum) over the next few months.

He's apparently on big money with his German club, so I would doubt we'd have him any longer than 6 months whatever button is eventually pushed by the majority, but you never know.

Fingers crossed for him.

[Col2]

This little gem from the bitter mob over the road. must MUST be a Hibernian the wind surely?!

“Seems this lad has caused quite the rammy.

If offered a straight choice between Hearts and Hibs, he's chosen the latter then he's not the kind of person you'd want at the club anyway. There is no doubting the superiority of Hearts in every single regard. To deliberately choose a smaller, less successful club with markedly poorer facilities would suggest the decision making isn't up there.

It seems more likely to me that we just weren't that fussed about him. I'll predict he'll be about as good as that world beater from Juventus they got that was the best player on the planet for about 6 minutes, and that'll be that.”

[Col2]

Ryan McGowan on twitter

“Similar to Cummings....penalty box striker with good movement, runs in behind well, clever link up play! Given service would imagine he will score goals!! Will be driven to preform well with WC coming up!! Hope he has a stinker on debut and sad to have lost a mate 😉😂”

[Greencore]

73 rating on fifa

[SouthMoroccoStu]

This little gem from the bitter mob over the road. must MUST be a Hibernian the wind surely?!

“Seems this lad has caused quite the rammy.

If offered a straight choice between Hearts and Hibs, he's chosen the latter then he's not the kind of person you'd want at the club anyway. There is no doubting the superiority of Hearts in every single regard. To deliberately choose a smaller, less successful club with markedly poorer facilities would suggest the decision making isn't up there.

It seems more likely to me that we just weren't that fussed about him. I'll predict he'll be about as good as that world beater from Juventus they got that was the best player on the planet for about 6 minutes, and that'll be that.”

Superiority of Hearts?
Smaller?
Less Successful (other people's money)
Poorer Facilities?
Weren't that fussed about him?

The bitterness is stunning

[DavidDavidGray]

Would be gutted if Cummings went to Rangers. He’d score loads for them and it would be painful seeing him in that shirt. Might be unrealistic but I feel We should put in a loan bid, he’s the exact type of player we need.

[DavidDavidGray]

73 rating on fifa

Our current highest is Stokes who is 66. So, by Fifa’s Logic, we’ve got a class striker in

[leither17]

Sounds like Simon Murray.

Maybe Simon Murray will be moving on?

[Michael]

Maybe Simon Murray will be moving on?

Would be highly surprised at that. Been out of the team a few weeks, but will be invaluable for the reminder of the season.

[Lago]

Maybe Simon Murray will be moving on?

Sincerely hope not, has a lot to offer.

[neil7908]

Sincerely hope not, has a lot to offer.

I go back and forth about him. Wouldn't be looking to shift him right now but I don't see him as any more than a squad player. Still think he has a lot to learn before he's ready for playing a full season at this level.

His work rate and pace will always be a useful asset though.

[Lago]

I go back and forth about him. Wouldn't be looking to shift him right now but I don't see him as any more than a squad player. Still think he has a lot to learn before he's ready for playing a full season at this level.

His work rate and pace will always be a useful asset though.

Strikes me as the kind of boy who wants to learn and willing to work to achieve his goals.

[my left peg]

I go back and forth about him. Wouldn't be looking to shift him right now but I don't see him as any more than a squad player. Still think he has a lot to learn before he's ready for playing a full season at this level.

His work rate and pace will always be a useful asset though.Reminds me so much of his dad....everyone wanted Gary to succeed for his work rate honesty and commitment,but he was limited by his technique,hope Simon can kick on....but he will always have his derby winner,even if he does nothing else in his hibs career. ...and for that he will always be a favourite.

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[Captain Trips]

Perhaps NL was happy with him in squad but an offer is pending and NL in discussion with Leanne thinks we could with the fee improve our squad.

FWIW I like Simon.

[hibees 7062]

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[Deansy]

This little gem from the bitter mob over the road. must MUST be a Hibernian the wind surely?!

“Seems this lad has caused quite the rammy.

If offered a straight choice between Hearts and Hibs, he's chosen the latter then he's not the kind of person you'd want at the club anyway. There is no doubting the superiority of Hearts in every single regard. To deliberately choose a smaller, less successful club with markedly poorer facilities would suggest the decision making isn't up there.

It seems more likely to me that we just weren't that fussed about him. I'll predict he'll be about as good as that world beater from Juventus they got that was the best player on the planet for about 6 minutes, and that'll be that.”

For any Muppets looking in - we're definitely NOT smaller - either in support and definitley NOT ground-capacity !. Also definitely NOT 'less successful' - it's just that when it comes to 'Success' we prefer to win/earn it rather than buy it but that's just Hibs for you. As for 'markedly poorer facilities' - I'll take ANY facilties over NO facilities any day !

P.s Just saw this on their 'Jamie Murphy' thread - (in bright-red too)

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Probably good idea as this news seems to have tipped quite a few of them over the edge - wonder how Potter's taking it :faf:

[Heisenberg]

Already getting a few Jambos saying they withdrew their offer and didn’t actually end up wanting to sign Maclaren. He’s also now gone from a potentially good signing to definitely pish in the space of this weekend. Glorious stuff.

[FilipinoHibs]

The Australia squad is not even close to the quality of Scotland’s. Standards of leagues player for player are playing in, valuations etc. Anyway, that’s not to say he can’t come in and do really well and be a top player.

And how many world cup finals have Scotland qualified for compared to Australia in the last 20 years?

[Peevemor]

Already getting a few Jambos saying they withdrew their offer and didn’t actually end up wanting to sign Maclaren. He’s also now gone from a potentially good signing to definitely pish in the space of this weekend. Glorious stuff.

The thread on knockback about how not fussed they are is now at almost 800 posts.

[JimboHibs]

Perhaps NL was happy with him in squad but an offer is pending and NL in discussion with Leanne thinks we could with the fee improve our squad.

FWIW I like Simon.

Perhaps not.

[Capt Mainwaring]

Already getting a few Jambos saying they withdrew their offer and didn’t actually end up wanting to sign Maclaren. He’s also now gone from a potentially good signing to definitely pish in the space of this weekend. Glorious stuff.

Brilliant “he didn’t want to play for us but we didn’t really want him anyway” 😂😂😂

The Rangers Statement dept has given some great ammunition to the hard of thinking!

Glorious indeed 👍

[CorrieHibs]

And how many world cup finals have Scotland qualified for compared to Australia in the last 20 years?

That's because Australia have to beat likes of Syria to qualify. Before they played in Asia their toughest opponent was New Zealand. Whilst we get Germany, France or England.

Would be interesting to see how many WC cups they would qualify for if they competed in Europe.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Already getting a few Jambos saying they withdrew their offer and didn’t actually end up wanting to sign Maclaren. He’s also now gone from a potentially good signing to definitely pish in the space of this weekend. Glorious stuff.

Classic football fan, district and deflect

I wanted Hibs to sign Niall McGinn, could have been a great edition to the squad.

Whether we made an offer or not, genuinely not sure on that front, he chose Aberdeen. That doesn’t make him a guff player overnight

[yonder1875]

The thread on knockback about how not fussed they are is now at almost 800 posts.

They're weird.

[Carheenlea]

The thread on knockback about how not fussed they are is now at almost 800 posts.

:lolyam:

[Northernhibee]

He's a free agent AFAIK

Out of Hearts price range then :hyper

[Vault Boy]

Our current highest is Stokes who is 66. So, by Fifa’s Logic, we’ve got a class striker in

Ambrose and Whittaker are both 70. :wink:


It's a pretty cool bit of info to be fair, FIFA's talent scouting isn't quite as good as FM, but to be so decent in the game he must have something. Checked him out in the game earlier, his physical stats are unreal, didn't look blisteringly quick in the actual clips but who knows! Excited to see what he can do.

[FilipinoHibs]

That's because Australia have to beat likes of Syria to qualify. Before they played in Asia their toughest opponent was New Zealand. Whilst we get Germany, France or England.

Would be interesting to see how many WC cups they would qualify for if they competed in Europe.
They then have to go to a pmay off. What us theur wirld ranking versus us.

[Ryan69]

That's because Australia have to beat likes of Syria to qualify. Before they played in Asia their toughest opponent was New Zealand. Whilst we get Germany, France or England.

Would be interesting to see how many WC cups they would qualify for if they competed in Europe.

And to avoid a playoff(and qualify automatically)....all they had Todo was beat Thailand by 2 goals at home!

They even failed Todo that!

It was 3-2 I believe...lol

[aussie_hibee]

Scotland are ranked 32. Australia are ranked 38.

Australia made the last 16 in 2006 WC, losing to the eventual winners in a last minute dodgy decision for a penalty.

In the last 2 years, they have drawn with Germany 2-2, beat Geeece 1-0, and lost 2-1 to England.

To say Australia are nowhere near Scotland is way off the mark IMHO.

I’d say they’d be very close to each other.

[Big L]

Maybe Simon Murray will be moving on?

I posted last year before the window that we should go for Simon, at that time he was playing left or right chAnnel. I think he could do a right job for us in these positions and Lennon must think so as well or he never would have brought him in.

[ozwoody]

The A league is not of a standard of the spfl but there are teams that can compete in the top 4, Sydney FC would easily be in that bracket.Having no relegation is a double edged sword, on one hand there are a lot of meaningless games for teams outside top 4, but it does help by promoting young players to play with no fears.
As for Jamie McLaren, I would say he is a penalty spot to goal line player, makes a lot of runs behind defence and gambles on rebounds.How many times have we said this season that we need a player to attack the ball across the 6 yard line?
In saying that, I have no idea how he will do with us but if we were offered a loan of an international player who has scored 40 goals in 53 appearances for his club and we weren't interested , especially considering we are not turning chances into goals, I would question our recruitment policy.I am looking forward to seeing how he gets on for the rest of the season and he will be busting a gut to get in Australia's world cup squad so theres an even bigger incentive to bang the goals in, which can only be good for us too

[Steve-O]

That's because Australia have to beat likes of Syria to qualify. Before they played in Asia their toughest opponent was New Zealand. Whilst we get Germany, France or England.

Would be interesting to see how many WC cups they would qualify for if they competed in Europe.

They’ve kept qualifying whilst in Asia and they won the last Asian Championship (equivalent of the Euros).

They’re not as good as they were but still a decent side regardless.

[Steve-O]

Maybe Simon Murray will be moving on?

MacLaren is not like Simon Murray IMO. Much more of a poacher, capable of the odd spectacular goal too though.

He will need good service though. If he gets it, he’ll score a few I reckon.

[poolman]

Classic football fan, district and deflect

I wanted Hibs to sign Niall McGinn, could have been a great edition to the squad.

Whether we made an offer or not, genuinely not sure on that front, he chose Aberdeen. That doesn’t make him a guff player overnight



That's too sensible a post for Yams way of thinking

[Forza Fred]

They’ve kept qualifying whilst in Asia and they won the last Asian Championship (equivalent of the Euros).

They’re not as good as they were but still a decent side regardless.

Socceroos are currently managerless, without a coach and even a decent striker...relying on 38 year old Tim Cahill to come on and score.

There ARE good players in the side though...Marty Ryan plays in the EPL and Tommy Rogic is at Celtic, while Aaron May who once played for St Mirren is also doing well in the EPL.

Gems can still be found down under, but the days of a youngster turning up at a British ground for a trial with a pair of boots under one arm and a toy. Kangaroo under the other are long gone.

Most promising players are scouted by European clubs who know they have to probably develop them for a year or so, and can afford to do so, whereas teams like Hibs spend money looking for ‘instant coffee’....

Without resorting to direct comparisons, which is hardly an exact science, I would suggest IMHO that generally speaking the A League is technically more proficient than the game in Scotland but is much slower, and defences can be suspect.

The lifestyle /weather and improved wages means that a ‘European Offer’ is not immediately accepted, and I know of one player in Bobby Williamson’s time at Hibs who was offered a contract with Partick Thistle when they were in the SPL, that was only marginally more than he was on in the old NSL that preceded the A League, and he wasn’t moving to Scotland for next to nothing.

[Forza Fred]

Socceroos are currently managerless, without a coach and even a decent striker...relying on 38 year old Tim Cahill to come on and score.

There ARE good players in the side though...Marty Ryan plays in the EPL and Tommy Rogic is at Celtic, while Aaron May who once played for St Mirren is also doing well in the EPL.

Gems can still be found down under, but the days of a youngster turning up at a British ground for a trial with a pair of boots under one arm and a toy. Kangaroo under the other are long gone.

Most promising players are scouted by European clubs who know they have to probably develop them for a year or so, and can afford to do so, whereas teams like Hibs spend money looking for ‘instant coffee’....

Without resorting to direct comparisons, which is hardly an exact science, I would suggest IMHO that generally speaking the A League is technically more proficient than the game in Scotland but is much slower, and defences can be suspect.

The lifestyle /weather and improved wages means that a ‘European Offer’ is not immediately accepted, and I know of one player in Bobby Williamson’s time at Hibs who was offered a contract with Partick Thistle when they were in the SPL, that was only marginally more than he was on in the old NSL that preceded the A League, and he wasn’t moving to Scotland for next to nothing.

l know it is Matty Ryan and not Marty and Aaron Moy, but auto correct apparently does not😂

[ozwoody]

l know it is Matty Ryan and not Marty and Aaron Moy, but auto correct apparently does not😂

Totally agree, as coaches across here are all told to coach to the same syllabus the FFA sends out, all age appropriate. This is why you see so many teams from 16s upwards being more technical than the scottish counterparts.The only thing I have an issue with, and agree with Ernie Merrick ( Newcastle manager) that there is no advancement past 20 year old as there is only the first team and an under 20s league, so if you haven't made the first team you are on the scrapheap.I think there should be u23s instead of 20s.

[MB62]

And how many world cup finals have Scotland qualified for compared to Australia in the last 20 years?

I would suggest the standard of opposition over that period would be a contributing factor

[SouthMoroccoStu]

That's too sensible a post for Yams way of thinking

Sorry, how foolish of me 😉

[stuart-farquhar]

Socceroos are currently managerless, without a coach and even a decent striker...relying on 38 year old Tim Cahill to come on and score.

There ARE good players in the side though...Marty Ryan plays in the EPL and Tommy Rogic is at Celtic, while Aaron May who once played for St Mirren is also doing well in the EPL.

Gems can still be found down under, but the days of a youngster turning up at a British ground for a trial with a pair of boots under one arm and a toy. Kangaroo under the other are long gone.

Most promising players are scouted by European clubs who know they have to probably develop them for a year or so, and can afford to do so, whereas teams like Hibs spend money looking for ‘instant coffee’....

Without resorting to direct comparisons, which is hardly an exact science, I would suggest IMHO that generally speaking the A League is technically more proficient than the game in Scotland but is much slower, and defences can be suspect.

The lifestyle /weather and improved wages means that a ‘European Offer’ is not immediately accepted, and I know of one player in Bobby Williamson’s time at Hibs who was offered a contract with Partick Thistle when they were in the SPL, that was only marginally more than he was on in the old NSL that preceded the A League, and he wasn’t moving to Scotland for next to nothing.

How is the lifestyle better than Europe?

[Sproule Three]

How is the lifestyle better than Europe?

Think Fred means the Aussie lifestyle is better than Europe !

[Stuart93]

Maybe Simon Murray will be moving on?

Watch this space. Potential.

[Scott Allan Key]

And to avoid a playoff(and qualify automatically)....all they had Todo was beat Thailand by 2 goals at home!

They even failed Todo that!

It was 3-2 I believe...lol

Scotland had a genuinely good team in 78. And couldn’t beat Iran. Who are at this years WC too from Asian qualifying. Asian football isn’t that bad. Japan, South Korea would probably beat Scotland now, at least. Given the lack of appearances from Scotland at WC in living memory, most in World now scoff at our football ability. They don’t remember the backbone of the Liverpool side of 70/80’s and why should they? We are the Thailand of European football. But still as good as England of course who have more semi competent players to choose from demographically. And Christian Vieri was an Aussie who chose to play for Italy. Therefore Australian football produces World Class players. Do I win the prize for oversimplification and forgetting a player’s unique transferable qualities?

[Ronniekirk]

Carlos Pena goes out on loan to Mexican Club Managed by The Rangers former Manager and they are paying his £20,000 weekly wages in full
While Steven Naismith reportedly saying he will play for The Rangers for nothing as Norwich don't want him


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[Ozyhibby]

A lot of rumours going about that Lafferty has had a massive bust up at the yams and may be moved on this window. Anyone heard anything?


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[Michael]

A lot of rumours going about that Lafferty has had a massive bust up at the yams and may be moved on this window. Anyone heard anything?


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Just like Stokes a month back. I can't see it.

[Ronniekirk]

A lot of rumours going about that Lafferty has had a massive bust up at the yams and may be moved on this window. Anyone heard anything?


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He looked miserable during the Derby and been sent off since then so can imagine words will have been exchanged with Levine



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[Hibee87]

A lot of rumours going about that Lafferty has had a massive bust up at the yams and may be moved on this window. Anyone heard anything?


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Nothing about being moved on, but i was told way back in november there was problems. Didnt really believe it so never posted it on here but appears to have reared its head again and the hearts fans are the ones saying by all accounts

[Humo]

Weird of them to pay for his appeal (Laugherty) if he won't even be there for much longer? Could just be appealing in case he stays but I think it would be unlikely he would leave. No ITK knowledge just my thoughts

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[Souter96Mac]

Hibs twitter just tweeted an emoji of a pen signing..

[leither17]

Watch this space. Potential.

I heard the same last night

[Hamish]

McLaren now official

http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?327491-Official-Site-MACLAREN-SIGNS-FOR-HIBERNIAN&p=5269871#post5269871

[BOB MARLEYS DUG]

Think he’ll do well.

[BOB MARLEYS DUG]

Where else do we need to strengthen? Whats the script with Fonts btw?

[Borderhibbie76]

The thread on knockback about how not fussed they are is now at almost 800 posts.It's fine tho coz they are signing Kevin Mirallas on loan till end of season......oh wait

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[Souter96Mac]

2 players in already, changed days. Next targets probably depend on who/if anyone leaves. We've now got 5 strikers and we only tend to play with a maximum of 2 on the pitch so can see 1 leaving, probably Dave. If McGinn goes, would love to get Mallan in on loan, and try and extend Dylans contact. Maybe cover at LB or out wide needed.

[Last Minute]

Henderson :hmmm:

[Bostonhibby]

It's fine tho coz they are signing Kevin Mirallas on loan till end of season......oh wait

Sent from my SM-G950F using TapatalkSurprised they snubbed Couthino. Not tall enough presumably. The boy must be gutted.

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[007]

McLaren now official

http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?327491-Official-Site-MACLAREN-SIGNS-FOR-HIBERNIAN&p=5269871#post5269871

2 signings done already, great work by the club. Wouldn't like to be scrabbling around for players going into an important cup game.

[stokesmessiah]

Don’t think we will see much/any more unless someone goes now?

[Borderhibbie76]

Surprised they snubbed Couthino. Not tall enough presumably. The boy must be gutted.

Sent from my SM-J320FN using TapatalkHad to make do with Barca after his snub from.the Gorgie Galacticos 🤣🤣🤣

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[bingo70]

Henderson :hmmm:

Hearing something?

[snooky]

Watch this space. Potential.

Do you mean a potential replacement coming or just he's potentially leaving :dunno:

[jacomo]

Classic football fan, district and deflect

I wanted Hibs to sign Niall McGinn, could have been a great edition to the squad.

Whether we made an offer or not, genuinely not sure on that front, he chose Aberdeen. That doesn’t make him a guff player overnight


Seeing as he attended a Hibs game with his agent, I think it's fair to assume we made him an offer.

[SteveHFC]

Henderson :hmmm:

:hyper

[Albanian Hibs]

Do you mean a potential replacement coming or just he's potentially leaving :dunno:

I hope he isn't leaving.

[The Leith Dutch]

Maybe Simon Murray will be moving on?

I'd doubt that.
Strikes me that Murray is a good option
if we're trying to hit teams on the break
playing away or against stronger teams.

Doesn't score enough but with his pace
and his work rate he's a great option to
have especially as I suspect he's not on
a big wage.

[Stuart93]

Do you mean a potential replacement coming or just he's potentially leaving :dunno:

Pontentially leaving, nothing concrete though.

[Lago]

I hope he isn't leaving.

Me to, would be really disappointed if he was to go has too much to offer.

[SirDavidsNapper]

Simon Murray wont be leaving. Big Dave possibly will be.

[JDHibs]

If the money is right for Hibs and Murray, i can assure anyone, he will be away!

Hes behind Stokes and now Shaw in the pecking order and will want to play football.

[NAE NOOKIE]

MacLaren looks like a good signing, but its still open to question how he will do against the robust defending in the Scottish premiership, from the You Tube stuff a lot of the defending he was up against didn't look the best.

The other thing to look at is his present club. Darmstadt currently languish in 16th place in an 18 team league having won 4 games out of 18, clearly with 7 substitute appearances they didn't see Jamie MacLaren as the answer to their woes, though I would say their scoring record is no worse than 90% of the teams in the league. This was what worried me about Stokes when we signed him, with a floundering Blackburn still not willing to give him a game.

The other side of the coin is that he looks like the penalty box striker we have been crying out for with a happy knack of being in the right place at the right time and he is clearly desperate to win a place in the Aussie world cup squad so his motivation will be good. Nippy strikers with good movement tend to do well in Scotland, lets hope he fits the bill.

[Ozyhibby]

MacLaren looks like a good signing, but its still open to question how he will do against the robust defending in the Scottish premiership, from the You Tube stuff a lot of the defending he was up against didn't look the best.

The other thing to look at is his present club. Darmstadt currently languish in 16th place in an 18 team league having won 4 games out of 18, clearly with 7 substitute appearances they didn't see Jamie MacLaren as the answer to their woes, though I would say their scoring record is no worse than 90% of the teams in the league. This was what worried me about Stokes when we signed him, with a floundering Blackburn still not willing to give him a game.

The other side of the coin is that he looks like the penalty box striker we have been crying out for with a happy knack of being in the right place at the right time and he is clearly desperate to win a place in the Aussie world cup squad so his motivation will be good. Nippy strikers with good movement tend to do well in Scotland, lets hope he fits the bill.

The manager who signed him in Germany was sacked so that probably has a bearing on his fortunes there.


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[HoboHarry]

MacLaren looks like a good signing, but its still open to question how he will do against the robust defending in the Scottish premiership, from the You Tube stuff a lot of the defending he was up against didn't look the best.

The other thing to look at is his present club. Darmstadt currently languish in 16th place in an 18 team league having won 4 games out of 18, clearly with 7 substitute appearances they didn't see Jamie MacLaren as the answer to their woes, though I would say their scoring record is no worse than 90% of the teams in the league. This was what worried me about Stokes when we signed him, with a floundering Blackburn still not willing to give him a game.

The other side of the coin is that he looks like the penalty box striker we have been crying out for with a happy knack of being in the right place at the right time and he is clearly desperate to win a place in the Aussie world cup squad so his motivation will be good. Nippy strikers with good movement tend to do well in Scotland, lets hope he fits the bill.
Yes because Aussies are known for being a bit of a soft touch.........:wink:

[NAE NOOKIE]

The manager who signed him in Germany was sacked so that probably has a bearing on his fortunes there.


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Possibly, but its a daft manager who doesn't assess what he has at his disposal and keep players he thinks can do a job in his squad. MacLaren was obviously not deemed as good as the others he had up front. I'm not dissing MacLaren though, Bundesliga 2 will clearly be at least up to the level of the Scottish premiership, probably better, and he hasn't really had a chance to show what he can do there by the sound of it.

I have every faith that this lad will be good for us, you don't score 50 odd goals in two seasons at any level if you are rubbish .... my only real concern is how long it might take for him to get up to speed, the Scottish game is far quicker than what he has been used to I would imagine.

[BSEJVT]

For me he is innocent until proven guilty.

Our manager has signed him based on the recruitment process many of us were lauding last week and we should trust it and him to deliver

I don't think you tube is any great medium for determining a players ability or lack thereof, but one thing I did see that I liked is that he isn't scared to get a shot away

That alone should make him an improvement on Murray, Stokes and big Dave, its too early to say with Oli, but I don't think this is a problem for Oli

[JDHibs]

TO be fair to MacLaren, yes his current team are 3rd bottom of the league, however, maybe worth considering the following -

- Only 4 teams have scored more goals than them in the league, theyve scored more than the current league leaders by 1.

- But, their defence seems to be a major issue. Only 1 team has conceded more, the team directly above them in the league.

So although hes not been getting a game, their strikeforce would appear to be pretty strong considering the league they are in, its the defence that isnt up to scratch.

Its not all as simple as saying he cant get a game for a team 3rd bottom in their division. Something to think about.

[hibs#1]

Sometimes signings don't work at one team then go onto be successful elsewhere,it's not an exact science.anyway looking forward to seeing what he can do.

[lochhibs]

Henderson away to Bari for a trial.

[GreenArmy1875]

Henderson away to Bari for a trial.

Or is it Portugal...😂

[Billy Whizz]

Henderson away to Bari for a trial.

Says who

[BarneyHibby]

Says whoSky Sports: Celtic midfielder Liam Henderson is training with Serie B side Bari this week ahead of a possible move to Italy.

Henderson has only played once for Brendan Rodgers' side this season, coming on as a substitute in the 1-0 win over Dundee in October.

Sky Sports News understands Celtic would listen to offers for the 21-year-old, who had two successful spells away from the club on loan in previous seasons.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11781/11200507/celtics-liam-henderson-training-with-serie-b-side-bari

[Billy Whizz]

Sky Sports: Celtic midfielder Liam Henderson is training with Serie B side Bari this week ahead of a possible move to Italy.

Henderson has only played once for Brendan Rodgers' side this season, coming on as a substitute in the 1-0 win over Dundee in October.

Sky Sports News understands Celtic would listen to offers for the 21-year-old, who had two successful spells away from the club on loan in previous seasons.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11781/11200507/celtics-liam-henderson-training-with-serie-b-side-bari

Ok thanks
Good spot

[Brummie_Hibs]

Sky Sports: Celtic midfielder Liam Henderson is training with Serie B side Bari this week ahead of a possible move to Italy.

Henderson has only played once for Brendan Rodgers' side this season, coming on as a substitute in the 1-0 win over Dundee in October.

Sky Sports News understands Celtic would listen to offers for the 21-year-old, who had two successful spells away from the club on loan in previous seasons.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11781/11200507/celtics-liam-henderson-training-with-serie-b-side-bari

Cough...cough!!
As revealed here! (http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?327446-Hearts-Supporters-wanting-Henderson-at-Tynecastle&p=5266973&viewfull=1#post5266973)

[Lago]

If the money is right for Hibs and Murray, i can assure anyone, he will be away!

Hes behind Stokes and now Shaw in the pecking order and will want to play football.

If the money is right any Hibs player would be away.

[ancient hibee]

If the money is right any player in Scotland will be away.

[Billy Whizz]

If the money is right any player in Scotland will be away.

Make that England too😄

[blackpoolhibs]

One Scottish club has enquired about Murray, the money they were quoted has put them off.

[Captain Trips]

One Scottish club has enquired about Murray, the money they were quoted has put them off.

Interesting BH, I could only think 3 clubs might have funds. Aberdeen, Celtic and Sevco.

Do we still answer the phone to Sevco?

[3pm]

One Scottish club has enquired about Murray, the money they were quoted has put them off.

Ross County?

[Captain Trips]

Ross County?

Or them haha

[bingo70]

Interesting BH, I could only think 3 clubs might have funds. Aberdeen, Celtic and Sevco.

Do we still answer the phone to Sevco?

Would Motherwell not have come into some money after selling Moult?

Wouldnseem a likely destination as they’re looking for a new striker too.

[Paloschi]

I have a family member that has very close connections with the club and according to what they have heard Aberdeen want Simon Murray and Hibs have rejected a bid. Anyone in the know hear anything?

[Stuart93]

I have a family member that has very close connections with the club and according to what they have heard Aberdeen want Simon Murray and Hibs have rejected a bid. Anyone in the know hear anything?

Can't see it being Aberdeen

[Aldo]

Can't see it being Aberdeen

I’d swap him for Adam Rooney


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[Stuart93]

I’d swap him for Adam Rooney


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Snap

[SMAXXA]

If the money is right for Hibs and Murray, i can assure anyone, he will be away!

Hes behind Stokes and now Shaw in the pecking order and will want to play football.

I don’t think he is down the pecking order to shaw players have dips on form but I would say he will play more games than Shaw between now and the end of the season unless he is having a neuk every week in training

[sean04]

Jimmy boco has tweeted about Simon Murray going to Turkey

[J-C]

Murray was a no brainer by Lennon, a free transfer and wages will not be overly high, seen something raw in him and after his initial few games, it looked to be an inspired signing. However since then he hasn't really improved much, runs around like a headless chicken and doesn't seem to understand the principle of the offside law. His game intelligence is pretty poor and you can see the difference when Shaw plays, far more intelligent.

[Allant1981]

Murray was a no brainer by Lennon, a free transfer and wages will not be overly high, seen something raw in him and after his initial few games, it looked to be an inspired signing. However since then he hasn't really improved much, runs around like a headless chicken and doesn't seem to understand the principle of the offside law. His game intelligence is pretty poor and you can see the difference when Shaw plays, far more intelligent.


what a load of rubbish

[Golden Bear]

Murray was a no brainer by Lennon, a free transfer and wages will not be overly high, seen something raw in him and after his initial few games, it looked to be an inspired signing. However since then he hasn't really improved much, runs around like a headless chicken and doesn't seem to understand the principle of the offside law. His game intelligence is pretty poor and you can see the difference when Shaw plays, far more intelligent.

Nah. I can understand if the guy feels that he's not been given a fair crack of the whip especially if it's been at the expense of his illustrious fellow striker (not Shaw)

[Aldo]

Murray was a no brainer by Lennon, a free transfer and wages will not be overly high, seen something raw in him and after his initial few games, it looked to be an inspired signing. However since then he hasn't really improved much, runs around like a headless chicken and doesn't seem to understand the principle of the offside law. His game intelligence is pretty poor and you can see the difference when Shaw plays, far more intelligent.

I think it’s clear from your posts JC that you don’t rate SM.

I think, as others have alluded, he was a no risk signing and I think he’s proved a lot of doubters wrong. Good attitude and what 15/16 goals this season. That’s a good return for a player who was written off by many!


His goals against Newco and in particular the Yams at ER shows he has something! Wee meg on Souttar and excellent finish! You cannot tell me you didn’t enjoy that one??


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[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

I think it’s clear from your posts JC that you don’t rate SM.

I think, as others have alluded, he was a no risk signing and I think he’s proved a lot of doubters wrong. Good attitude and what 15/16 goals this season. That’s a good return for a player who was written off by many!


His goals against Newco and in particular the Yams at ER shows he has something! Wee meg on Souttar and excellent finish! You cannot tell me you didn’t enjoy that one??


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To me its about building a squad - Murray is more mobile than any of our other strikers, so he brings ua something different.

Stokes brings class and guile, shaw is a raw talent and really a bonus, but seems good all round but will dip in and out in all likelihood.

We still lack an aerial / physical threat, but i certainly dont think murray has done badly - i never saw him as our main no.9, but i think he is a valuable player who offers sonething we dont otherwise have.

[weecounty hibby]

Simon Murray reminds me a bit of Gareth Evans. I think he is a decent squad player and I think that if he wants to stay at Hibs he might just have to accept that he won't play every match

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Jimmy boco has tweeted about Simon Murray going to Turkey

On holiday? will need sun factor 100 then.

[HoboHarry]

On holiday? will need sun factor 100 then.
He'll need one of thae lead gowns that radiologists use mair like......

[hhibs]

Simon Murray reminds me a bit of Gareth Evans. I think he is a decent squad player and I think that if he wants to stay at Hibs he might just have to accept that he won't play every match


Interesting comparison amd I can see where you are coming from,though without knowing for sure ,I think Simon Murray scores more goals.

[SRHibs]

Jimmy boco has tweeted about Simon Murray going to Turkey

Just been lifted from here.

[Lago]

Murray was a no brainer by Lennon, a free transfer and wages will not be overly high, seen something raw in him and after his initial few games, it looked to be an inspired signing. However since then he hasn't really improved much, runs around like a headless chicken and doesn't seem to understand the principle of the offside law. His game intelligence is pretty poor and you can see the difference when Shaw plays, far more intelligent.

Sorry but I think your assessment of Murray is just plain wrong.

[JimboHibs]

Why would we get rid of Simon Murray been nothing but a success and for a first season in the Prem he's had a more than decent 6 months....

[J-C]

I think it’s clear from your posts JC that you don’t rate SM.

I think, as others have alluded, he was a no risk signing and I think he’s proved a lot of doubters wrong. Good attitude and what 15/16 goals this season. That’s a good return for a player who was written off by many!


His goals against Newco and in particular the Yams at ER shows he has something! Wee meg on Souttar and excellent finish! You cannot tell me you didn’t enjoy that one??


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True I don't really rate him but when he pulls the jersey on he'll get my full support.
Yes he proved a few doubters wrong at first but he seems to have dropped right down the order behind young Shaw, his attitude and willingness to work hard for the team has never been in question, it's the technical and intellectual side of his game I'm questioning, his constant offside runs and not seeing the channels to run into when they're there. These are things you learn, he was and is still very raw and if we were still in the championship, he'd be exactly what we need but we're in the premiership and we can't afford to wait on him getting up to speed to play against the better teams in the league. Great goal against Hearts but 8 of his goals have come against smaller teams in the Betfred. I feel now Maclaren has signed his chances will be even fewer, so maybe a move for him may the best for his career, sometimes a punt is taken and it doesn't always work out.

[The Modfather]

I’d not be that dissapointed if Murray was to leave, especially if we were to get money for him. He has assets, but don’t see him as much more than a squad player and shouldn’t be too difficult to find replacement squad players. Easier to do in the summer than January though.

Although I wasn’t too fussed about Boyle either, and didn’t think he had the potential to improve anywhere near as much as he has. Maybe Murray will be the same and really kick on.

[Brightside]

Jimmy boco has tweeted about Simon Murray going to Turkey

You know it’s not really Jimmy aye?

[Aldo]

True I don't really rate him but when he pulls the jersey on he'll get my full support.
Yes he proved a few doubters wrong at first but he seems to have dropped right down the order behind young Shaw, his attitude and willingness to work hard for the team has never been in question, it's the technical and intellectual side of his game I'm questioning, his constant offside runs and not seeing the channels to run into when they're there. These are things you learn, he was and is still very raw and if we were still in the championship, he'd be exactly what we need but we're in the premiership and we can't afford to wait on him getting up to speed to play against the better teams in the league. Great goal against Hearts but 8 of his goals have come against smaller teams in the Betfred. I feel now Maclaren has signed his chances will be even fewer, so maybe a move for him may the best for his career, sometimes a punt is taken and it doesn't always work out.

He’s played his part imho but as you’ve mentioned he’s still a bit raw in certain areas but I’ve been more than delighted with his contribution.

I’m of the opinion that a team needs different players in different positions to try and keep things fresh and thus allows the manager to have options. Murray brought loads to the game and his willingness to run and work hard sometimes outweighs other aspects of his game.

I for one think he’s been an excellent signing and if he does move on goes with a very big thank you from moi!


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[jacomo]

Murray was a no brainer by Lennon, a free transfer and wages will not be overly high, seen something raw in him and after his initial few games, it looked to be an inspired signing. However since then he hasn't really improved much, runs around like a headless chicken and doesn't seem to understand the principle of the offside law. His game intelligence is pretty poor and you can see the difference when Shaw plays, far more intelligent.


Effectively a swap for Keatings.

[Ken]

I know a lower league club in Scotland have enquired about taking Murray on loan but Hibs aren’t interested


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[The Spaceman]

I'd be very disappointed if we lost our top goalscorer this season :confused:

I like Murray - he's young, driven, fast and has scored some nice goals this season. Would be a big loss to a rival like Aberdeen.

[Northernhibee]

I know a lower league club in Scotland have enquired about taking Murray on loan but Hibs aren’t interested


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Dundee United?

[Lmc2105]

Two intresting moves in our league according to the sun.
Greg Tansey - Ross County Loan
Nadir Ciftci - Motherwell Loan

[Tyler Durden]

Why would we get rid of Simon Murray been nothing but a success and for a first season in the Prem he's had a more than decent 6 months....

Because some posters think players are angling for a move or out of Lennons plan as soon as they go 3 games without starting 🙄

[Souter96Mac]

Two intresting moves in our league according to the sun.
Greg Tansey - Ross County Loan
Nadir Ciftci - Motherwell Loan

Both decent moves.

[Mainstandman]

I like Murray, he works hard and scores. I think he knows his position in terms of ability wise and is working to improve. I like his attitude when subbed, doesn't sulk, runs straight off knowing he's done his job so the next guy can get on asap.

[GreenCastle]

Simon Murray is still out top scorer I think..

Really like the guy and his attitude - you could argue he should have played more.

Hope he stays as he will improve - just look at Boyle for example.

[tam4hibs]

Simon Murray is still out top scorer I think..

Really like the guy and his attitude - you could argue he should have played more.

Hope he stays as he will improve - just look at Boyle for example.

Agree and a good comparison.
If we are going to take on raw players like Murray then we have to give them more than 5 months.

Look at Boyles first season. Bit part player, a bit one dimensional- hard to believe he never made it on the pitch in the cup final 18 months ago but now the first name on the team sheet only 18 months later.

Want us to be seen as a place to develop. Let's hope Simon gets that chance...

[jacomo]

Agree and a good comparison.
If we are going to take on raw players like Murray then we have to give them more than 5 months.

Look at Boyles first season. Bit part player, a bit one dimensional- hard to believe he never made it on the pitch in the cup final 18 months ago but now the first name on the team sheet only 18 months later.

Want us to be seen as a place to develop. Let's hope Simon gets that chance...


:agree:

He's done better than many strikers in his first half season at a new club. He's raw but ever so willing.

The fact that our other strikers aren't scoring doesn't help.

[Forza Fred]

Hearing Murray’s final destination may not be Turkey..but Uzbekistan, running out of options!

[CMurdoch]

Simon Murray is still out top scorer I think..

Really like the guy and his attitude - you could argue he should have played more.

Hope he stays as he will improve - just look at Boyle for example.

Murray is a year older than Boyle and will be 26 in 2 months time.
Is he likely to improve? I have my doubts. Is 26 too old to still be raw?
He is certainly working as hard as possible to be a success and we all want him to be a success.
Sadly I see him coming up short and eventually being moved on. I hope I am wrong.

[Walter]

My opinion isn’t worth a jot but I believe Simon will improve season on season, he is the type of player who other teams always seem to have that are always a bug bear against us and he will score goals , maybe not 30 a season but still a threat

I don’t think anyone could question his attitude either

[JimBHibees]

Both decent moves.

Strange one for Tansey given he has just moved to Aberdeen in the summer.

[Souter96Mac]

Strange one for Tansey given he has just moved to Aberdeen in the summer.

I'm guessing it'd be a loan as I don't think he's played much

[JimBHibees]

I'm guessing it'd be a loan as I don't think he's played much

Played a few games got hooked before half time at Ibrox when he gave away a penalty and had a mare.

[lyonhibs]

If Murray could master the offside rule and ration his perpetual motion to making fewer but more intelligent runs he'd be first choice. Definitely should stay though, it's a squad game.

[Blaster]

If Murray could master the offside rule and ration his perpetual motion to making fewer but more intelligent runs he'd be first choice. Definitely should stay though, it's a squad game.

The returning from an offside position with Murray bugs me. It means when we do win the ball back we are a player short as he is out the game.

I can’t remember him doing that as much in the early part of the season when he was much more effective

[MyJo]

Agree and a good comparison.
If we are going to take on raw players like Murray then we have to give them more than 5 months.

Look at Boyles first season. Bit part player, a bit one dimensional- hard to believe he never made it on the pitch in the cup final 18 months ago but now the first name on the team sheet only 18 months later.

Want us to be seen as a place to develop. Let's hope Simon gets that chance...

From what has been said i dont think Hibs are actively trying to move Murray on, the exact opposite in fact with us valuing him high enough to put off other scottish clubs and not wanting to send him out on loan.

The club & Lennon know that Murray is a good player to have in the squad and, very much like Boyle, has the raw attributes to become a very decent player at our level in time.

What has been suggested is that there is interest from abroad that would not only secure Hibs a transfer fee but earn Murray himself a decent wedge of cash that both the club and player would find difficult to turn down given the circumstances.

[Souter96Mac]

Yeah I would keep Murray as he's a decent option to have, but if good money comes in then it'd be difficult not to say no, especially getting him on a free. Not sure what sort of figure we would be talking about to be honest.

[Ronniekirk]

From what has been said i dont think Hibs are actively trying to move Murray on, the exact opposite in fact with us valuing him high enough to put off other scottish clubs and not wanting to send him out on loan.

The club & Lennon know that Murray is a good player to have in the squad and, very much like Boyle, has the raw attributes to become a very decent player at our level in time.

What has been suggested is that there is interest from abroad that would not only secure Hibs a transfer fee but earn Murray himself a decent wedge of cash that both the club and player would find difficult to turn down given the circumstances.

If McLaren does well Murray is fourth in the pecking order given Shaw s recent form and if Dave moves on and we bring in a replacement that could change again
He wont be happy at Recent lack of game time but its his first Season stepping up so i would think he will be happy to stay and if game time continues to be few and far between he could well look to move in the Summer as at his age restricted game time isn't helping him develop
He hasn't been as effective of late so font think he can have any complaints



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[Peevemor]

If Murray could master the offside rule and ration his perpetual motion to making fewer but more intelligent runs he'd be first choice. Definitely should stay though, it's a squad game.

We'll see how Jamie MacLaren gets on in that respect. Having watched (but not analysed) the youtube videos showing all his goals, he's either a master at reading the line or Australian linesmen are crap - there are a good few goals that are borderline. One thing that is promising however is that he scores a high proportion of his goals with only one touch.

[Just Jimmy]

Maybe they are crap, they probably acknowledge goals that are miles over the line though...

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[jacomo]

Murray is a year older than Boyle and will be 26 in 2 months time.
Is he likely to improve? I have my doubts. Is 26 too old to still be raw?
He is certainly working as hard as possible to be a success and we all want him to be a success.
Sadly I see him coming up short and eventually being moved on. I hope I am wrong.


I think Jamie Vardy was still playing non-League football aged 25.

Some players are late developers - especially if they don't come through an academy system.

[SirDavidsNapper]

Stokes
Maclaren
Shaw
Murray
Big Dave

Four good options with Big Dave moving on I'd have thought.

[erin go bragh]

I think Jamie Vardy was still playing non-League football aged 25.

Some players are late developers - especially if they don't come through an academy system.
Yes . Rob Jones being another.

[ancient hibee]

Maybe they are crap, they probably acknowledge goals that are miles over the line though...

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Interesting comment however back to the thread:greengrin

Personally I think the rumours about Murray are a load of nonsense.There’s surely no way Hibs will move him on when they know he can score goals at this level in order to make room for a guy who may not be up to it.

[blackpoolhibs]

One Scottish club has enquired about Murray, the money they were quoted has put them off.

I was wrong, the club did not enquire about Murray, we have offered him to an SPFL club, but at a price.

The offer was declined for whatever reason, but it does appear we are trying to offload him.

Perhaps Lennon needs him out to get someone in?

[Big L]

Interesting comment however back to the thread:greengrin

Personally I think the rumours about Murray are a load of nonsense.There’s surely no way Hibs will move him on when they know he can score goals at this level in order to make room for a guy who may not be up to it.

I would be sad to see Murray leave, every fan loves a trier, especially when he can score goals. I can only think that Lennon wants to bring in a target man and wants to make space.

[Zazu62]

Maybe Simon Murray wants to leave? He hasn’t been playing much has he

[hibsbollah]

Yes . Rob Jones being another.

Theres loads of them. Les Ferdinand, Ian Wright, Miroslav Klose was a brickie in 1999, in 2002 he'd won the Golden Boot at the World Cup in Korea! Hope for us all :greengrin

[Forza Fred]

I was wrong, the club did not enquire about Murray, we have offered him to an SPFL club, but at a price.

The offer was declined for whatever reason, but it does appear we are trying to offload him.

Perhaps Lennon needs him out to get someone in?

I dunno the exact amount, but Imdo know that MacLaren was on a very good wage in Germany......much more than you would think for a second division side.


It may be that he can’t see MacLaren and Murray in the same side and is punting him to offset the loan costs.

[Forza Fred]

Theres loads of them. Les Ferdinand, Ian Wright, Miroslav Klose was a brickie in 1999, in 2002 he'd won the Golden Boot at the World Cup in Korea! Hope for us all :greengrin

I think I lived in a Klose that he built.......

[ozwoody]

Would Hibs want to move Murray on in this window? If Dave is leaving and 1 or 2 of stokes,Shaw and macclaren get injured/suspended,we would be very short of options.
As both Shaw and McClaren are penalty box players whereas Murray and Stokes drop deeper to receive the ball to drive at defences,I would say it’s a great option to have on the bench (Murray replacing Stokes and Shaw/McClaren interchangeable)
With Boyle and Barker attacking either flank it also means the opposition would not get a breather as the tempo should be consistent for 90 mins

[Ronniekirk]

Would Hibs want to move Murray on in this window? If Dave is leaving and 1 or 2 of stokes,Shaw and macclaren get injured/suspended,we would be very short of options.
As both Shaw and McClaren are penalty box players whereas Murray and Stokes drop deeper to receive the ball to drive at defences,I would say it’s a great option to have on the bench (Murray replacing Stokes and Shaw/McClaren interchangeable)
With Boyle and Barker attacking either flank it also means the opposition would not get a breather as the tempo should be consistent for 90 mins

Dave wont just walk out the door thoughHe has a contract so a Club needs to want him and he needs to think its the right move Then he might want a pay off
He might also decide he likes living in Edinburgh so will wait till the Summer
He cant be happy with the way things have not worked out so assume if something could ben sorted out that suits him then he would go


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[ozwoody]

Dave wont just walk out the door thoughHe has a contract so a Club needs to want him and he needs to think its the right move Then he might want a pay off
He might also decide he likes living in Edinburgh so will wait till the Summer
He cant be happy with the way things have not worked out so assume if something could ben sorted out that suits him then he would go


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Agree.But as he is now 5th choice and a very slim chance to even be on the bench,you would think he would have instructed his agent to be looking around,especially as he will want to still be in national managers thoughts.Obviously he can sit tight and see out contract and I am sure Hibs bean counters will have taking that into consideration.I guess it’s just a wait and see

[Hi Heid Yin]

I would be sad to see Murray go. He was phenomenal earlier in the season and scored goals for fun. His all-action style is entertaining and no one can accuse him of lack of effort.
His game time, however, has been limited - and this in itself has impacted his game. There is no natural flow or momentum or instinctive understanding with his team mates.
I still feel that he has a lot to offer us, but maybe Lennon has seen enough to know that, despite his duracell bunny performances, he does not offer that something extra to unlock stuffy SPL defences.
The recent dynamic of Shaw being picked ahead of him is a confidence-denter and this, I feel, will only add desperation to his game, where, ironically, he might try too hard to please and overcook things and maybe lose the coolness of mind needed to put the ball in the back of the net. Now, with the addition of our new Australian striker, he is faced with further competition and, perhaps, might want to try his luck elsewhere.

[My_Wife_Camille]

I was wrong, the club did not enquire about Murray, we have offered him to an SPFL club, but at a price.

The offer was declined for whatever reason, but it does appear we are trying to offload him.

Perhaps Lennon needs him out to get someone in?
Back to Dundee United?

[Lago]

6 months down the line MacLaren will be gone as will Big Dave, Oli Shaw great prospect but unlikely to maintain current level of form so we will again be left short of strikers if Murray has left. I don't believe he'll go, he has a lot to offer and will come onto his top game again, there appears to be a certain segment of the support who think him to be not up to the required standand with unsubstantiated rumors being put forward as facts by people who can't possibly be in the know.

[BOB MARLEYS DUG]

Where has this Murray going stuff came from anyway? It wl most likely be Dave off I’d have thought.

[HoboHarry]

Where has this Murray going stuff came from anyway? It wl most likely be Dave off I’d have thought.
Made up .net nonsense, by Thursday it will be a FACT that he has asked for a transfer........

[The_Horde]

Made up .net nonsense, by Thursday it will be a FACT that he has asked for a transfer........

Someone ITK said there's bids in for him and that was about it. The story has grown arms and legs since..

[CMurdoch]

Given a choice I would keep Murray and lose Big Dave.
The problem is finding a team that would want Big Dave.

[Lago]

Where has this Murray going stuff came from anyway? It wl most likely be Dave off I’d have thought.

From those that want to be thought of as in the know, but aren't !!

[My_Wife_Camille]

Where has this Murray going stuff came from anyway? It wl most likely be Dave off I’d have thought.
Was posted on HFC Transfer Rumours

[skyehibee]

Where has this Murray going stuff came from anyway? It wl most likely be Dave off I’d have thought.

Waiting for TheCat to give us his insight on it all. He always seems spot on with his info.

[Ronniekirk]

Waiting for TheCat to give us his insight on it all. He always seems spot on with his info.

He is away checking out the Stevie Mallon Rumour


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[chrisski33]

The Australia squad is not even close to the quality of Scotland’s. Standards of leagues player for player are playing in, valuations etc. Anyway, that’s not to say he can’t come in and do really well and be a top player.

Wake up! Scotland arent that good! No better than Australia and this kinda arrogance and belief is pish.

[hibeenicol]

I was wrong, the club did not enquire about Murray, we have offered him to an SPFL club, but at a price.

The offer was declined for whatever reason, but it does appear we are trying to offload him.

Perhaps Lennon needs him out to get someone in?

No one's told Simon then.

[bingo70]

No one's told Simon then.

Or he’s not telling you?

I’ve no idea either way btw.

[Unseen work]

I can’t believe people are even suggesting losing Murray

He is top goal scorer and impressed this season.

[brog]

If Murray could master the offside rule and ration his perpetual motion to making fewer but more intelligent runs he'd be first choice. Definitely should stay though, it's a squad game.

I honestly believe many of the offsides are not Murray's fault. He makes some great runs but by the time our player delivering the ball has taken an extra touch he's offside & then looks daft. The timing needs to be spot on both from the striker & the playmaker & I believe the fault is about 50/50 though of course the focus is on the striker.

[Bostonhibby]

I can’t believe people are even suggesting losing Murray

He is top goal scorer and impressed this season.Yep, makes no sense to me either. I like the guy and thought lennon saw potential to be developed. Either way he's got a decent goal return and the yams might struggle to contain him again later this month.

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[calumhibee1]

I can’t believe people are even suggesting losing Murray

He is top goal scorer and impressed this season.

I'd rather he stayed, but I can see where the attraction would be in selling him. If a Turkish team was to come in with a bid of say £200-300k we'd be looking at making a half decent return on a guy who as it stands is probably our 4th choice striker. Would give us a little bit of money to play with for players elsewhere or even a different style of forward to replace big Dave. On paper MacLaren should be better than Murray. If we could get a couple of hundred grand for him we'd be in a position where our squad was stronger and we'd made a wee bit of money aswell.

I would rather we kept him though.

[leither17]

I heard the Murray to Turkey story as well

[Gmack7]

Ross county If he leaves

[JohnMcM]

I honestly believe many of the offsides are not Murray's fault. He makes some great runs but by the time our player delivering the ball has taken an extra touch he's offside & then looks daft. The timing needs to be spot on both from the striker & the playmaker & I believe the fault is about 50/50 though of course the focus is on the striker.

Swanson is one player who can deliver the ball to him at the right time.

[ancient hibee]

I honestly believe many of the offsides are not Murray's fault. He makes some great runs but by the time our player delivering the ball has taken an extra touch he's offside & then looks daft. The timing needs to be spot on both from the striker & the playmaker & I believe the fault is about 50/50 though of course the focus is on the striker.


This is right.In my view it's always the passers fault.The striker has to set off to get the run on the defender.If he goes too early the passer shouldn't make the pass.Murray makes plenty of good runs across defences to stretch them but the delivery is often abysmally slow.

[Iggy Pope]

I heard the Murray to Turkey story as well

You hearing lots about Simon Murray?

[hibbyfraelibby]

Given a choice I would keep Murray and lose Big Dave.
The problem is finding a team that would want Big Dave.

Given the chance I would keep both...our squad gets very thin if a player gets injured. Two front men on the pitch and two on the bench tequired.

[jacomo]

Given a choice I would keep Murray and lose Big Dave.
The problem is finding a team that would want Big Dave.

Levein will be salivating at the prospect of signing a tall player from Hibs and making a success of it.

[Ozyhibby]

Perry Kitchen just signed for LA galaxy. Must have a good agent.


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[HoboHarry]

Perry Kitchen just signed for LA galaxy. Must have a good agent.


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Philippe Senderos was playing for Houston in the season just ended and they got into the last 4 - no idea what they saw in him either.....

[Mikey09]

Simon Murray is not leaving Hibs any time soon.

[Thecat23]

Simon Murray is not leaving Hibs any time soon.

I wouldn’t be betting on that. More than a couple of folk who have been bang on have now said he’ll be off. Of course until deals are done its rumours but I think he’s gone myself it won’t be long now either.

[Tornadoes70]

Given the chance I would keep both...our squad gets very thin if a player gets injured. Two front men on the pitch and two on the bench tequired.

I'd certainly like to keep Simon Murray as he's obviously got goals in him. Big Dave has been okay what limited game time he's actually had. Like you I'd prefer to keep both but definitely hope Murray's here for the long term.

[Captain Trips]

I wouldn’t be betting on that. More than a couple of folk who have been bang on have now said he’ll be off. Of course until desks are done its rumours but I think he’s gone myself it won’t be long now either.

Your info is never far off, if so that's a real pity as I was excited about him developing however there is an opportunity to finish high up in the league we definitely need somebody who has developed more up there.

If every player had SM attitude and desire we would be 2nd just now.

[Thecat23]

Your info is never far off, if so that's a real pity as I was excited about him developing however there is an opportunity to finish high up in the league we definitely need somebody who has developed more up there.

If every player had SM attitude and desire we would be 2nd just now.

I also like Murray, I’d still like him to stay but if Lennon can get what he thinks is better we can only put our trust in him. Works his socks off, just needs to compose himself more and watch the line.

[MWHIBBIES]

I see absolutely no reason to get rid of Murray honestly, would be a mistake, especially to another Scottish club.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

I wouldn’t be betting on that. More than a couple of folk who have been bang on have now said he’ll be off. Of course until deals are done its rumours but I think he’s gone myself it won’t be long now either.

Oh no!!

Not what I wanted to read

[IGRIGI]

Don't see the point in getting rid of Murray unless he wants to go or we have a very decent replacement in the wings.

[frazeHFC]

Don't think we'd let Murray go unless we had some better lined up (maybe Maclaren's that). Like Simon and would be a shame to see him go though.

[SonOfDavidFrancey]

I like Murray. An honest lad, it seems, up by the bootstraps, All that. Ginger too. But having seen the film about the recruitment department I’m happy to have faith that if he goes it will be because the club feels there is a marginal gain in terms of tactical flexibility etc. Above all it will feel like it’s the club making the decision and not the player deciding for himself.

[J-C]

I wouldn’t be betting on that. More than a couple of folk who have been bang on have now said he’ll be off. Of course until deals are done its rumours but I think he’s gone myself it won’t be long now either.


We don't really have time to develop at the moment, when we were in the championship it was a good opportunity to develop players like Boyle and Murray but now we're back in the SPL and are pressing for a top 4 finish, players like Murray will be left behind so to speak as we aim higher. Boyle as has been given the chance to develop and has turned into a key player for us gaining an extra 2 year deal, if we had got Murray 2 years ago I'm sure he'd be an important player for us now.

[Michael]

We don't really have time to develop at the moment, when we were in the championship it was a good opportunity to develop players like Boyle and Murray but now we're back in the SPL and are pressing for a top 4 finish, players like Murray will be left behind so to speak as we aim higher. Boyle as has been given the chance to develop and has turned into a key player for us gaining an extra 2 year deal, if we had got Murray 2 years ago I'm sure he'd be an important player for us now.

Look at how much the Man City players have developed under Guardiola.

[J-C]

Look at how much the Man City players have developed under Guardiola.


They weren't raw like Murray though, he's taken a very good group of players and turned then into a wonderful Barcaesque team, last season they were 15 points behind Chelsea in 3rd place and now look at them.

I don't doubt Murray will improve but can he improve quick enough for what we need, remember this is all rumour and conjecture about Murray and as such we're all just surmising why he may go if indeed he does.

Plus Lennon is no Guardiola.

[hibeenicol]

Or he’s not telling you?

I’ve no idea either way btw.

Maybe but I have no reason not to believe him.